We are back with another exciting episode of Chosen Kin, and Bia and Harry are getting into all of it. Fat Joe is defending his use of the N-word, which sparks a broader conversation about Blackness across the diaspora. They also recap the first Chosen Kin in-person mixer, The Link Up, at Atlanta Black Pride, and debate whether a good movie can really be made in four days after Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married Again? Plus, Libra season is here, and somebody is officially off the market.

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Hi, I am harry and I'm bia.

And we are chosen kin.

Yay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Hi.

How are you?

Actually, I'm not so bad.

Like, I'm not feeling terrible, but, you know, it's September now.

My birthday is next week.

I know.

How you feeling?

Good about it.

Weirdly enough.

Like, I've been seeing online, all the Libras have been like, have we planned something for our birthdays?

And the conclusion is, no, we have not planned anything for our birthday.

I think I just settled on something today.

And yes, today, yesterday, which is fine.

So.

But I'm feeling good about it.

I kick off libra season.

I'm so excited for Libra season.

It charges me up.

So that should be good.

How are you?

How's your week been?

My week has been really good.

It's been very busy.

Culture of Color is doing a game night, kind of like to promote our Halloween party in October.

And so it's a lot of moving pieces that we're trying to figure out.

So that has been happening.

I told you about my friend's wedding.

That was yesterday.

Great time, great party.

I love a gay wedding.

That was fun.

But it's just that too many balls to juggle, you know.

It's been a pretty.

It's been a pretty interesting week, but I'm excited about the game night.

Excited for your birthday.

Libra season.

I love.

I love.

I love Libras.

My best friend Matthew is a Libra as well.

So excited for.

Really?

Yeah.

Matthew is a Libra.

Yeah, I love it.

So, yeah, pretty excited about that.

I'm curious to know what your plans are for your birthday though, because you just kind of skimmed through that, I think.

I think I'm like gonna.

Me and my girlfriend.

That's news for the podcast.

Got a girlfriend now.

Me and my girlfriend are, you know, are gonna do something.

I told her what I wanted to do so as I think she's gonna figure it out from there, but that's fine.

But I think we're gonna do like something cool, vibey, loungey type of energy with like light bites and great.

And like a good view.

That's what I really want is like a nice vibe and view.

Yeah, you can go to the rooftop app Pond City.

You know, they have that nice rooftop.

They do.

But it gives carnival.

It does give carnival.

I really.

I went on a date that once, by the way.

But that's.

I see why you went on a date there.

That's story for another day.

But I am curious about you going from just dating to now being, like, official.

What was that like?

What did I feel like?

How long were you still the same?

Okay, how long were y' all in the dating space before y' all decided to be official?

Now.

What was like, the trigger?

That was like.

Okay, now is the time to switch.

It's the tea.

We were dating for, like, several months, honestly.

And then over this past weekend, we had, like, a nice date.

Went to see the Amy Sherlock exhibit.

Okay.

Which was incredible.

Love it.

Excuse me.

At the High Beautiful.

We went to one of my favorite restaurants.

Indicator.

And then, you know, she made a custom for me.

You read from me.

Tons of the hater in one day.

Shout out to y'.

All.

That's.

That's nothing.

That's like 20 minutes.

Oh, do you know we went to downtown Decatur?

I thought it was that.

I thought it was when I hit Decatur, I think like 40 minutes.

I think Stockbridge.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

Okay.

No, it was like 20.

It's not far.

It's not far.

Okay, my bad.

Yo.

I live in Minneapolis.

I really don't know.

I'm Atlanta by.

And you never come to Decatur.

When you're here, you stay in Midtown.

That's why you're like, midtown at Decatur.

That's wild.

So it was very cute.

Made a little custom card with, like, photos of us and was like, will you be my girlfriend?

And it was very sweet.

And that was my first time being asked to be a girlfriend.

Other times, you know, just fell in.

I'd be like, what are we?

And they'd be like, I guess we together.

And, you know, that's not cute.

That's not hot.

That's not romantical.

So it was very romantic.

I definitely cried.

Like, we got engaged for sure.

Yeah, I definitely cried.

No, and I knew it was coming.

Like, I. I knew it was coming.

And then our waiter brought over some, like, champagne for us to celebrate and was like, congrats.

It was very much like you would have thought.

We got engaged.

It was very, very beautiful.

So I really love that for you.

Thank you for sharing that, you know, and allowing me perp a little bit.

Harry gonna get the tea.

One way or another, Harry's gonna get the tea.

I think I just really love.

I love love.

I love seeing people in love.

I think that love brings out the best in us.

And I know that we like to form like, oh, we are ha, dad.

You know, we are self dependent and whatnot.

Yes.

And you know, when you.

When you are in romantic love with someone or with people, if that's Your thing, it always brings out the best in you, so.

Yeah, absolutely.

100%.

Well, yeah.

So.

And then we also had the link up.

We did.

We had the link up.

Yes.

This is our best episode since the link up.

Yes.

How.

What was your favorite moment?

My favorite moment of the link up, I think it is seeing the people actually link up and shout out to the bingo idea, you know?

Cause seeing people go into each other by the end of the night, people knew each other, people were friends, people that just met each other, met themselves for the first time.

It made me think that we do have something there.

You know, we have something.

It's the first one.

We have something here and we can just figure out how to tweak it a little bit.

I think we can make it a thing.

Yeah, absolutely.

I agree.

I honestly loved how people connected and I.

My favorite moment, like the music.

Shout out to the DJs.

What appeal.

And Ego.

Yeah, you ate that up.

Like, yeah, people were dancing.

And then also, you know, it was Beyonce's birthday, so then Ego had the most iconic Beyonce mixes.

And, you know, the lights was low.

We were all just like getting it.

It was just.

It was a great time.

I think that's the thing is music will, like, really unite people.

It has to be so good.

So we saw faces that we haven't seen in a while, saw folks who were.

Came in and out of town like, it was.

It was such a good time.

And I. I want it to be a thing.

I'm like, Minneapolis, are you next?

We can make it a thing.

And also I want to shout out to the DJs again because I feel like.

And I know maybe we might get into it, you know, again, you know, but we had to pivot.

For folks who follow us on Instagram, you saw that we changed our location the day before.

And the DJs were so receptive, so helpful, so informative.

Like, it was just easy to work with them.

I really, really love wipil, love Ego and how much they were open to just working with us and, you know, pivoting with us and just being with us through this journey for, like, our first, you know, event happening on one of the biggest queer event in the us period, in.

You know what I'm saying?

And so, yeah, shout out to them.

They're like, they're really real ones, for sure.

Yeah, you know, we.

What a coming out.

We came out on Black Pie Weekend.

It was iconic.

I think it was great.

You know, through it all, the changing of venues, we had to find a Speaker.

Like, we had to find a lot.

We had to do a lot AV equipment, you know, so shout out to, you know, our planning crew.

Shout out to Willa.

Shout out to Oluchi.

Shout out to blmp.

I think we should do it again for sure.

Shout out to Uche.

Uche Kind of like, you know, Uche from bdli.

And Uche also has his own event company that there's, like, Afro Caribbean parties during Pride in, like, New York, D.C. and Atlanta.

And he, like, really helped us with, like, the venue change.

And I really appreciate us being in community with people that, you know, were willing to be like, okay, fine.

What is it that you need as you're pivoting?

Okay, here's how I can help you.

Here's how I can help you.

We're building our chosen kins across, you know, across, you know, cities and states.

I mean, we want to continue doing that for sure.

This event is a testament to that.

So shout out to everyone who came through and helped us, but, you know, make it happen.

Absolutely.

You know, we're gonna have one soon again.

Love that, I guess, you know, little Black Pride tea.

Harry, how was your Black Pride?

Yeah, I was.

Harry, want my tea?

But where was it?

How was Black Pride?

It was a fun.

It was a fun Black Pride.

I would say it was a really fun Black Pride.

A lot of some of my friends from Minneapolis, we all came down to Atlanta together, and so it was nice to be with my people in Atlanta.

Usually when I'm in Atlanta, I'm with, like, my friends.

Friends in Atlanta, who I love dearly, by the way, but it was nice to.

I feel like I don't.

I don't really believe in mixing friend groups.

I think it doesn't always work.

Why are you laughing?

I don't think it always works.

I know.

I feel like that, you know, but I feel like these, My friends just kind of gelled.

I'm not saying that we are all one giant friend group now, but I'm like, that.

It's nice that, okay, if I decide that, okay, I want to have a birthday party, for example, but.

Cause I think I want to have a big party when I turn 40, right?

If I'm having a party for my 40th birthday and I invite all these people from all these corners and nooks and crannies, you know, that everybody will show up and have a good time, regardless.

Not having to be like, besties or whatever, but still know how to have a good time together.

And I really, really appreciated that.

That, you know, everybody had a good.

We had a great time.

We didn't all hang out throughout the entire weekend, but.

But we still were able to touch at different points.

I still have a great time.

I'm glad that they had a great time.

I'm glad I had a great time.

Yeah.

I think that.

I think it was good for community building.

I think my black experience.

Unique community.

Okay.

That's a way to say it.

You don't want to go in depth about your antics.

My antics were pretty tame this time because of, you know, connections are form.

Are forming that I am taking quite, you know, seriously.

It's so that's all I can say right now.

Yes.

You know, I feel like such a Taurus.

Yeah.

But I feel like when I have so diplomatic.

But you know what?

I can promise one thing.

When I have clarity and more information on how things are chosen, Kim will know we're having a breakdown on this podcast.

Okay.

Yes.

Okay.

So you all heard it first.

Yes.

If y' all can read between the lines of what Harry said.

Harry's talking points.

Yeah.

Good luck.

Once I'm sure of what.

Of where we are, what we're doing, what.

What the intentions are, I would come here and give a breakdown.

I know that's right.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm not mad at it.

I'm not mad at it.

I will allow you ask follow up questions because that's what I just did right now when I was probing to, you know, so I'll let you do all the things.

Ish.

You said.

Ish.

You know, I'm gonna be a good friend.

I'm not gonna ask the questions I want to ask because I would love to get to it, but I'm not gonna.

I'm not gonna put you out there.

But you have you.

Did you connect with any cuties?

I guess is the question.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

And you know, that's the.

That's the end of my questions.

Aren't you a cutie?

I could.

You said what?

You're a cutie.

You're dying plus 99 in the woods of Mario.

But babes we boo.

We knew each other.

I'm talking about someone else.

Of someone that you're attracted to.

There are people I was attracted to.

You know, running around connected these Atlanta street.

Did you connect?

See, people want to.

You want to say.

I asked me.

You can ask me a question.

Where things are set in stone.

I rolled.

I will come and.

Okay.

Yes.

Okay.

Okay.

I heard you.

You know, so we'll move on to the to the next segment of our podcast and insight.

Guys, Guys, in this, like, guys in.

The zeitgeist, we have.

What do we call it?

We have the things now.

We do.

We do.

Shout out.

Shout out to you.

Shout out to Harry.

We do have the.

What is it?

The.

The markers.

The end.

The.

Yeah, Podcast people call them different things, but yeah, they do.

Yeah, we do.

And they're so, so cute, you know, and we had visuals at the party that also were cute out to.

I'm not.

I almost said my sweetheart's name because they did our photos, but I'm not going to do that because guess what?

Yes, y'.

All.

I think before we get into.

In the Z guys, I want to talk about those photos, right?

Because we.

We launched.

We launched a new podcast cover.

We had those photos out at the link up.

You know, we didn't talk about that in depth, but I want to say that the photographer that took those pictures ate down, like, down completely.

They're great.

Amazing.

Amazing.

And the set that we chose.

The set we chose was great.

Yeah.

The colors, you know, the con.

We.

It was a great photo shoot.

I feel like people are taking our podcast so much more seriously now that.

We have study on Instagram.

All the comments.

Oh, my God, this is so cute.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

Like, you sluts.

We've been had this podcast out and now you want to acknowledge it.

I'm sorry, y' all are not sluts.

It's a term of endearment.

I promise.

I promise.

Shout out to y', all, though.

I just said that.

But shout out to y' all for your comments.

Would love for y' all to be active listeners, but that's, you know, actively.

And also we want you all to let us know what we can talk about.

Like, we want.

We want to know exactly.

Give us your tea.

We do want to know.

Give us the tea.

Ask us a question.

Be messy.

We will answer all the questions.

If it's messy about us personally, we'll think about it first.

But, you know, we'll.

We can shift it to be more objective to more people.

Yes.

But, yeah, the photos are iconic.

Shout out to the handsome photographer that did our photos.

You know who you are.

So back to end the, like, guys, Tyler Perry just dropped.

Why did I get married again without Janet?

Which I am.

I watched the film.

I miss Janet.

I miss her.

He said that she was busy.

I didn't miss Janet.

She was.

I didn't miss Janet.

You didn't?

No, I miss Janet.

I wish Janet was there.

Instead of Taraji.

No shade, but Taraji can act her ass off, but her character spends the.

Second movie crying half the time.

I, and I know that they were grieving and they were going through some things in her, in the character's family life.

But it was, you know, there's that popular meme of Janet Jackson from.

My thing is, why are you coming for a fellow Taurus?

You know, that's your, that's your tourist kin.

And you just want something like that.

I love Jenna fan.

The Velvet Rope is one of the best albums ever made.

However, I'm saying that there's a seed, you know that meme.

You know, you know, you know the view I'm talking about from the second.

Movie and where she's like pushing them towards each other.

It's like, fix it, fix it.

Yeah, for real.

But she was right.

I said that to say, I said that to say that I loved, I loved her character in the, in the, in the first two movies, I think, you know, but I feel like I didn't miss, I didn't miss her.

I'm sorry.

I didn't miss her.

I did.

Her character had so much trauma, you.

Know, But I didn't watch the second.

I didn't watch them again.

Like, I've watched the first.

I watched the second and then I watched the third when it came out.

Did I want to watch the third intentionally?

Not necessarily.

I was, I was, I cohorsed.

Let me.

That's, I don't know if that's the right, I don't think that's the right language.

Was I persuaded to watch.

Yes.

My girlfriend wanted to watch the film and, and I said, why not?

I, I hate watch a lot of things.

Let me watch it.

You know, it wasn't.

Did you watch it?

You watched it?

Yeah, I watched it.

Yes.

I was, I was always going to watch it.

I, I, I watched the first one.

I didn't watch it again.

I, I didn't watch it before.

I watched the third one.

I watched second one as well.

I, I watched them when they come out.

I feel like Tyler Perry is hard.

Hard to do a rewatch for Tyler Perry movies.

No offense.

I love you.

Yes.

Ain't.

Why doing it.

I'm not doing that.

No, absolutely not.

I want you once I'm saying like, yeah, wanting to.

Because it's not, it's not a move.

Tyler Perry movies are not something that I would sit and re watch despite.

Actually, the only Tyler Perry movie that I will re watch is Diary of a Mad Black Woman.

No.

Diary of a mad black Woman with them when what's his face Shamar Moore was wearing that them.

That wig with the cornrows on it.

Everything.

I quote that movie.

I used to quote that movie when I was younger.

When it was.

They'd be like, helen, Helen.

Helen's gone.

Like when she tells that that man to stop blowing the bubbles while he's drowning in the tub.

Love it.

Like, there's so many iconic moments, but there are other movies.

Daddy's Girls.

I did not.

I will not rewatch Family Reunion.

Yes.

Cuz I love when like Kid fur and Crystal always.

Yes.

On this ground shaking and gyrating.

That is iconic.

And then also the one with what's her.

I. I'm.

I'm blanking on her name.

Iconic.

I want to say the wrong actress, but I. Y' all gonna eat me up.

But I know it's not Diane Carol.

It's someone who looks like Diane Carroll.

She was Whitley Gilbert's mom on A Different World.

Jasmine Guy.

Yeah, that's Jasmine.

That's Whitley.

Yes.

But what was.

Wasn't Diane Carroll Willie Gilbert's mom?

Yes, Whitley Gilbert.

Mom.

Was her name.

It was Diane Carroll.

Hey, I was like.

It was Diane Carol.

Yeah, that was Diane Carroll.

So who was.

What movie is it?

Movie.

I can know what thing on Family Reunion.

Tyler Perry, Lynn Will Lynn Whitfield.

Yes.

Lynn Whitfield.

Yes.

Would she be like, like you traded me for.

For $2 and a fix?

Like I like.

That's a quote that Kif Crystal always, always talk about.

And so those are some movies I will watch.

It was.

Would I.

Would I watch why did I get married again?

No.

Would you watch why did I get married again?

Again?

No, I was about to make that joke too.

I would not.

But my question for you.

So you.

Did you like it?

You will watch it again?

No, I wouldn't watch it again.

Did I.

Did I like it?

You know what?

Here are my thoughts.

When I was watching the.

So I watched the movie and you know, like every other millennial, when you watch something, you go on TikTok afterwards.

What are people talking saying about this thing?

Yes, I go on TikTok and I see a video of Tasha Smith saying that they shot the film in four days.

So.

And then I'm like, yeah, it makes sense.

Cause only a movie shot in four days.

Well, I spent.

I'm not even kidding.

I spent the first half of the movie.

Whose child is this?

Whose child is this?

Who are you?

Why are you here?

What is this person's Storyline.

Oh, he doesn't get chicks.

I didn't know who anybody is.

Like, I just like, what is going on here?

Why is this child calling his mother's ex husband uncle?

Why are we friends with the ex husband?

With the abuser?

Yeah, the abusive ex husband.

And then why children that.

That the abusive ex husband used to abuse?

Yeah, Like, I saw that on social media quite a bit when people was like, what?

Abusive ex husband is still in the friend group.

It also, like, constantly in conflict, constantly getting slapped around, getting punched, getting, you know, humbled, getting, you know, but also feeling he does not.

He does not feel sorry.

But he's also still sniffing around Sheila on the plane.

It's like, you look good.

She look, she married.

She got a new man.

So it's like she got a grown kid and a grown kid.

So that.

Who calls him uncle?

That's crazy.

But, you know, a lot of people call, like, they play uncles or they play aunties, auntie.

Like, you know, it's like, we not related, but technically.

But not like that.

I would never call.

I would never put my child in that position.

I would never have a child.

Let me not say that.

Let me knock her wood.

I don't believe I'm having children, but if I don't believe my kid would call an ex, hell no.

It just don't make no sense.

But, yeah, four days.

When I heard that, I wasn't surprised because his shooting schedule is actually, for a lot of his stuff is really short.

He apparently shoot.

He shoots full series shows in like 12, you know.

But my question for you does.

Do you think first, do you think a good movie can be written, produced and directed by one person?

No.

Like a movie that's like, critically acclaimed?

No.

Would you say?

No, I don't think.

I don't think.

I think.

I think that.

I think that.

But also maybe, maybe he, like, people always say he understands his audience.

This is what they like.

This is what they're used to.

They get it.

This kind of thing.

This is what the kind of vibes they want.

You know, he's from the traveling black theater background.

So maybe that's the thing.

I don't know.

However, I feel like.

Which is so funny, I saw the Odyssey.

You watch a movie like.

And I know that I am reaching with this comparison.

And I'm like, the reach is.

I'm reaching for the stars.

I know, but walk with me.

You watch a movie like the Odyssey.

Stay with me.

You watch a movie like the Odyssey, right?

And the Odyssey is so good.

So Critically acclaimed ensemble cast shot and tallying IMAX attention to detail is magnificent.

You know, it's a huge budget movie, but when you're, when you look at the, the behind the scenes, the director is very intentional with every frame behind the camera.

So he might as well be a Tyler Perry.

Right.

I think one of the actors said, it feels like you're working, you're working on an independent film with a big budget.

So nobody's saying don't be hands on.

Nobody's saying don't show up and know what your is, how you're looking.

Nobody's saying don't show up and be hands on in how you're doing.

But also because one person doesn't have the ability to do xyz.

You know what I'm saying?

You're working with other people.

Yes.

Christopher Nolan did the screenplay himself.

Right.

But you're working with other producers, you're working with other directors.

You're like exactly bringing in as many people and you're taking your time.

More than anything, you're taking your time.

And this is why they say, you know, billionaires are not ethical because you know you're gonna make X amount of money off this project, but you want to condense it right.

Have the folks.

Have the people I've been, I'm talking about, I'm passionate about this.

Have the people you're gonna be on set.

Imagine working on asset for four days.

That's like you are.

If you imagine being an ad, a dp, a pa, the craft services person.

You're going to be walking up until midnight, days on end, longer, 24 hour.

Days probably, because you know what I'm saying?

And then, you know, I don't know if it was shot in on location in Italy or whatever I think it was.

I'm just like, damn.

It's just to me, it doesn't feel like.

You cannot.

You cannot.

Yeah, you cannot.

What's the word I'm looking for?

You cannot wiggle your way into critical, a critically acclaimed film.

You can't.

You got to take your time for it.

I'm sure even Lifetime movies take more than four days.

I am sure.

Single Black Female.

I'm sure they used at least two weeks to do Single Black Female.

Even I haven't seen that yet, but I'm sure, yeah, I have not seen.

That yet, but yeah, I have heard about it for sure.

I think.

And that's the reason, I think why Janet couldn't participate is because it was on location.

Because saying that she's unavailable for Four days.

Hilarious.

But I think it was because she.

It was on location in Italy that they couldn't shoot.

Yeah.

I remember Taraji talking about it being on location.

And I think she shot this like in between her shooting another film or project.

Like, so.

That's crazy.

The skill set of the actors.

Love it.

Y' all are incredible.

I now understand all them bloopers at the end because y'.

All.

I would have bloopers too.

I would.

I would miss hella lines if I was y'.

All.

Four days.

How long y' all have the script for?

And you know, he changed it up multiple times.

He said, here's a rewrite, babes.

But also, if I'm an actor, low key.

Sorry to cut you off though.

If I'm an actor, low key, if you're gonna pay me 500k for 4 days.

Yes, sign me up.

So, you know, it makes sense.

It does make sense.

It does.

But at the same time, it's like, I don't think.

I never thought that a good movie could be produced, written and directed by the same person.

And I think this comes up a lot for Tyler Perry.

But I think it also, in particular, I.

He just doesn't want to pay anyone else.

He don't like the extra fees.

I think that's all.

That's the root of the short time, short shooting times.

And also him doing everything because he's also in wardrobe.

He's also, but not formally the costume designer.

I think the costume designer just wrangles this stuff up and he'd be like that, you know.

But I don't believe, I never believed that him doing all of.

Not just him, but anyone doing all of the roles to create a film is going to lead to a good movie.

Unless that person put a lot of intentionality.

Then you add the time frame.

It's not happening.

And I think at this point he's like, I'm turning these out for n words and we'll talk about N words soon, y'.

All.

But yeah, he's like, they're going to eat it up.

Yeah.

I do think middle aged black women are going to eat it up.

The ones that love the AI music.

I celebrate me.

But let me not digress.

I'm just a independent black woman.

Like, this is AI same free.

Free black elders and black and especially black women elders from AI.

Free them.

Free them.

Cuz why Dolly Parton had a.

Had a program in.

In the form of.

Of a bapt.

Of a Baptist church.

Like, why she have a program?

Why is Obama and MLK sitting next to your granny on the couch.

Why is your granny next to her childlike self in her obituary like that is.

There's a lot of things that just don't add up, and I just want y' all to know that.

The water.

Does anyone care about the water?

Clearly not.

They don't.

They don't care about the water.

They said AI is going to take us out, you know, soon.

So.

It is.

It is.

But then, you know, the girls are like, oh, but how?

And it's like, you're missing the part about take us out.

Why didn't you stop there?

But you want to know how?

Because you're like, how?

Because if it's not all of us, like, I could.

I could continue to make, you know, little funky flyers for my family's cookout,.

You know, like, how I'm not even going to present.

Like, I don't use AI.

Like, I use AI for specific things, but I would never use it for creative stuff.

Like, I'm not going to create a flyer with it.

I'm not going to do.

You know, it's very specific.

But that's by the way.

Right?

My point.

I'm about to say some tea from our event.

You know, I'm not going to say that because.

Yeah, I know, I know.

But if we were to debrief the event and what happened around the event, y' all would be gagged.

Let's just say that we truly.

We truly had a gay event.

Let me just say that it was truly gay.

Projected.

We project.

We actually know it was projected gay.

Let's just say let's keep it there, and people who attended the event will know what I'm talking about, but we'll leave it there.

So grateful to the venue.

Thank you so much, Mix Atlanta.

We'll be back.

Y'.

All.

Serve a strong drink.

The girls was up for sure.

We'll be back.

We'll need to.

But we'll be back.

Yes, we will be back.

We didn't have that much time.

Great.

Yeah.

I was going to say that I do think that it is possible to write, produce, and direct a good movie.

Ryan Coogler did it.

Does it.

Christopher Nolan that I give an example of, adapted the the Odyssey, did a screenplay himself.

The difference between them and Tyler Perry is Ryan Coogler would have the script for Sinners, right, For maybe a year or two.

Workshop it, read it, you know, cast it.

You know what I'm saying?

Take the time, develop the story, build the characters, do all the things it almost feels like Mr. Perry writes.

Doesn't take the time.

Doesn't take the time.

And I think that is my.

And I feel like.

And the thing that's frustrating for me personally is these movies have potential.

Acrimony had so much potential, in my opinion.

Potential.

But I don't know where we lost the plot.

We always.

I think that's the thing.

We always lose the plot in everything, we lose the plot.

So it makes for a good hate watch.

There's holes.

There are plot holes, literally, in Tyler Perry's work.

There are plot holes.

That's it.

Because how did she get on the boat?

How did she get on the boat?

That has not been answered.

Even Taraji can't answer that.

She can't.

What I need.

I'm just saying, you know what I need?

I need him to write this, right?

Take the script, write the story, sit on it for, like, a week.

A week.

Then send it to, like, a couple of people.

Hey, what you think about this?

Honest feedback.

Take the feedback.

Go back, do another draft.

Go back to another draft.

People.

People usually do.

If I want to write.

We're trying to write a caption for Instagram, be just the two of us.

We do, like, three drafts back and forth.

You know what I'm saying?

No, let's be.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

The first thing that comes to your mind is not always the best thing, I think.

I think personally.

So in my head, I'm like, no.

Like, why do you think this man don't care about nobody's opinion but his own?

It's his money.

It's his production.

He owns it.

So of course he's not sending to nobody.

He's like, why?

My opinion matters only.

And actually, I'm gonna feed you a line that just came up off the dome as we're shooting.

So say it like he does not care.

He's not.

He does not care about other people's opinions.

He does not give a fuck.

And that should tell you something.

And he doesn't want to pay workers fairly for their labor.

That's why he's doing it.

All fair.

Also, I think that we got to think about legacy, right?

So Warner Brothers is going on Paramount, Yes.

They're leaving L. A.

But they're still going on.

All these.

All these studios have.

Disney.

Disney has been gone for a while.

It's still going on, you know, Tyler Perry Studios.

What's going to happen, you know, long after Tyler Perry has lived to be 80, 90, right.

Even when you're 80, even when you're 80, 90.

You are not going to be doing.

You're going to.

You're not going to have the strength to write and do all the things.

We gotta stop.

Why not?

I don't know.

Maybe.

Maybe he's going to do it for however long and his estate is then going to be passed over to somebody.

I don't know who's going to take.

Care of it, but who's going to be, right?

Like, we need to start seeing other work, other original content coming from Tyler Perry Studios.

That is not a Tyler Perry written, produced and directed by.

We need to see other writers creating shows, doing all these things, building up a company, a legacy black production house that can live on.

I think that is what we need.

And I think that Tyler Perry has the tools to do that.

He has the access and everything.

I'm just like, you know, this movie was.

This movie could have been good.

There are things that are, okay, yes, I get it.

You know, the new generation, maybe they have an idea.

But are we.

Are you going to tell me be that.

What?

Angela and Marcus be yelling constantly in their home because, you know, they had a.

They had why did I get married?

They had why did I get married too.

They had their show for Better or Worse.

For better or worse or for.

For worse or whatever it is.

I like that show briefly.

You know, they were yelling throughout their business and their home, and their kids did not know anything about that.

Their kids felt that their father had a baby mama.

That.

And that, you know, had issues with their mother, but they had a perfect marriage.

Crazy.

Were they so blind?

Ain't no way.

Ain't no way.

Yeah, that.

That did shock me.

The perfect marriage, I think with the other couples.

Yes, I think I can see that.

But them too, is like, perfect marriage.

No, that's actually insane.

You don't hear your parents yelling, but I think they used to.

Their mama just yells.

So I think that's how, like, people were able to rationalize, like, oh, that's how Angela talks.

But honestly, I hear all the things you're saying.

I do.

I do want to say something that Tyler Perry doesn't have.

Stick with me.

The desire to not do it all.

Like, he is keeping money in his pocket by doing it all, and he wants to keep doing it all because he gets the credit and it's his studio.

I don't think he gives a flying anymore.

He's heard the arguments.

He's like, if you want.

He believes what he's making is good enough for.

For people to watch.

It.

And you know what's so funny?

I'm watching.

Don't hate me, y'.

All.

I don't want any sort of hate.

Don't cancel me.

In the words of Harry, don't cancel me.

I'm watching Boondocks for the first time, and oh, my God.

And there's.

I'm sorry.

I apologize.

Apologize.

I thought this was a safe space.

I thought this was the same space.

First of all, let me just tell y' all something before y' all come in.

My comments, talking about, oh, you ain't watched Boondocks before.

Yeah, I didn't.

I haven't watched Boondocks before.

Maybe I was raised right.

Maybe my mama didn't want me watching Comedy Central latest at night.

Like, y' all hoes watching various tales of these little parading around doing hood rat.

Maybe that's.

No, I'm joking.

I'm joking.

But, yeah, I missed the boat on that one.

Animation hasn't always been my thing.

So getting into the Boondocks has been actually tea, and it's great for.

If I'm doing my hair and I'm just like, I need something to just watch on a roll.

So I've been watching the Boondocks, but, yeah, I.

And of course, I've seen clips, like, of course a full episode.

Not until recently, but, yeah, the Boondocks.

Yeah, I've seen the clips.

I'm getting to the Tyler Perry episode.

I just finished the.

The R. Kelly episode.

Oh, my God.

Which still is very reflective of today.

It is one.

One could even put a Chris Brown spin on it.

Only if Chris actually.

If Boondocks was still existing, there'll be so many more episodes.

Chris Brown would have an episode.

Trey Songs would have an episode.

You know, like, they would have episodes.

So, yeah, I've been watching the Boondocks, and I did.

I'm getting to the Tyler Perry episode.

And it just.

All.

The satire of it all is just so, so, so, so, so funny.

But, yeah, he doesn't have the desire, Harry.

So I. I feel like at this point, he.

He's like, save it.

Save the commentary.

I'm not doing it.

I'm collecting my check.

And also, none of these are on.

Are on salary.

They're hourly or they're contracted.

That.

And he's down the street.

He got.

His studio is down the street from here.

You know, I feel like watching why Did I Get Married Again?

And just seeing how it ended.

Because you felt like there's an idea, there's a point.

The next thing I Know, everybody gathers in a circle and then we are resolving all, all the conflicts in one Kumbaya moment.

Your father was an addict.

Without.

We don't have a perfect marriage.

Love.

Love is.

Lasts longer.

Love is hard work.

Okay, go get married.

Movie ends like, I'm like, no, no, don't know.

I don't know.

But people love it.

You know, people think, you know.

And it was a good one.

I've seen that.

I haven't seen that.

People love it.

I've seen that.

I wasn't looking hard enough.

I saw it on that because it took me.

It took me like a week after, maybe like almost two weeks after everybody was like, oh, this is such a good one.

And the instrument value is there.

I did enjoy watching it.

I'm not going to pretend like I didn't enjoy it, but I think that I cannot turn off my brain a little bit about like this doesn't make any sense.

How.

Why am I spending the first half of the movie trying to figure out whose child is who's kidding Also they.

Talking to us like we been here.

Also.

I don't know how people are having sex in the.

The whatchamacallit in the.

The airplane bathroom.

In the airplane bathroom.

Like, I don't, I don't.

Like maybe people do it.

I don't know.

Never happened to me before.

But like I don't know how.

I don't know what the logistics is for that also.

And that's disgusting.

Why are you walking through economy to first class?

Like I don't know also why you.

Could have had that girl go to the other to yalls economy bathroom.

But maybe the first class bathroom is big enough, but it's not that much bigger.

Not that bigger.

Also like an airplane bathroom is so disgusting.

Most of the time the floor is wet as fuck.

It's like nowhere to actually be.

Everything you touch on the toilet seat.

Yes.

Also literally, did you notice their seats were four.

It was a 4%.

The economy had four seats.

I don't know what.

I don't know if that's spiritual point zero, if it's frontier or I don't know.

I'm just like that.

I think it is Delta.

I've never been in a game of Delta playing where it is four people, four seats in the middle.

I don't know.

I've never entered even when I flew.

I have four in the middle.

One, two, three, four.

I know three, four in the middle and then like three or two on the sides.

Okay, maybe I guess that is new.

Cuz I know.

3, 3, 3.

I don't know 3, 4.

I think it was 4.

4 Was, I think it was 4.

Was it 4?

I don't know 4, 4, 4 is crazy.

I know it was 4.

I know.

In the middle.

I know it was 4 in the middle.

I never seen 4 in the middle.

I only seen 3 in the middle.

3 And 3 on the side.

Like 3, 3, 3.

Okay.

You know, I might be right.

I have seen four in the middle and it looked like a Delta plane, to be honest.

It did look like a Delta plane to me.

And I have flown like Air France and I had four in the middle.

I was not in the middle because I'm.

That's never gonna be me, babes.

I'm smarter than that.

I hate that middle section is just like a clusterfuck because actually everyone is in the middle seat and that middle section.

Everyone is in a middle seat technically.

I don't like to be brushed by.

Don't brush by me anywhere.

Like I don't, I don't want that.

I want to be tucked away in the, in the inside seat.

And I'm not getting up to go to that nasty ass bathroom unless I have.

I don't have an aisle.

I, I would choose aisle.

That makes sense.

I understand that.

I did do aisle before many a times.

Yeah.

But I can't.

That's not my preferred seat.

I like to lay on the side of the plane and like sleep like most of them.

I don't have a pillow unless it's a long journey.

So I'm not doing that.

So four and good movie cannot be made in four days has been the conclusion and you can't do it all.

You can't write, produce and direct your own movie unless you're independent and you actually have no choice.

Go on, conquer on.

I'm going to keep us moving.

I am.

So our main conversation for today is been taking the girls under.

The girls have been shaking.

They've been talking about this left and right.

It's turned into a whole bunch of other things.

I know that you've seen it cuz we've talked about it and how could you not see it?

So Fat Joe, who honestly is like Medium Joe these days, like can we talk about that?

The Ozempy has gotten to.

To.

To Fat Joe.

I think he's Medium Joe now.

I personally feel like he is Medium Joe cuz he's not as fat as how he used to be like Fat Joe back in the day when I was in elementary school and lean back was and we was leaning back on the bus.

Lean back, Lean back.

A hit.

Also, Fat Joe was.

Was much fatter these days.

He's gotten his cholesterol down.

He might be doing some light exercise, but the ozempy is definitely there.

Fat Joe defends his use of the N word because he grew up in a Puerto Rican and black neighborhood in New York City.

He grew up in the Bronx like Cardi B.

And.

And he says he shared community spaces, language, and hip hop intimately with his black peers.

So he can say the N word.

People said, no, you can't.

And some people said, that's an interesting take.

There's been a lot of reactions.

First, do you think that's, like, culturally sound?

And then.

Okay, let me.

Let me pull out the whole argument then, too.

Let's just.

Let's hit the whole shebang.

Also, because of this controversy, you know, as the.

Are we like the Mixed Child podcast, We kind of are.

We're like, we're mixed.

We.

We are.

We're definitely mixed.

So, of course, it's turned into diasporic wars.

Now we are talking about whether black people across the diaspora can say nigga, say the N word.

Is that politically sound?

First?

I think it's because, you know, Fat Joe is Puerto Rican.

Yeah.

Is that politically sound and politically and culturally sound or right to say that all black people can say or cannot say the N word?

And can Fat Joe say it?

That's.

We could touch that one first.

Can Fat Joe say the N word, in your opinion?

I don't think Fat Joe can say the N word.

I don't think he can.

I agree.

Because I think that not everybody who is Latino is black.

Right.

So it's like you have folks who are.

You know what I'm saying?

And I know that we, like, yes.

Whether I'm like, oh, we're all people of color.

We're all bipoc.

And I understand that there are levels to, you know, the systematic issues that we face.

I'm not going to deny that it's.

It exists.

It's there.

However, comma, that is a blackism that I picked up.

However, comma, I don't.

I do not think that that is licensed for you to say the N word because that isn't something that you would get called.

And I'm not saying that.

Like, I don't think that.

I don't think nobody will use that as a slur against you ever.

And so I think that why you, like, what is this need and desire to say it?

I think that is My challenge with that piece, when it comes to fantasy.

No, literally.

Yes.

Yes, I agree.

I could not agree more.

I don't think Fat Joe should be able to say nigga.

I do think that there is a difference between being Afro Puerto Rican or Afro Latinx.

From being Latinx.

There is a big difference.

And we've seen that across the diaspora.

There are many groups who, you know, they are split.

There's some, like, for, like.

I think of that little phrase that people like to be like.

They're like, I'm Dominican.

No, black.

Like, they love.

People love to be like, I'm.

I know.

Black.

Yes.

And it is a privilege for people to be able to choose because, you know, colorism is a thing, despite what people may think.

And, you know, like, you said that some people move around that or maneuver that.

Like, no one's going to call someone the N word.

That does not look like an N word.

Yes.

To put it plainly.

And I've seen a lot of hot takes around it that I've been like, hot takes in a good way and bad.

I forgot what someone said.

I had it on the tip of my tongue, but it really.

It was resonant.

Where, you know, people want to be called.

The people that are not black people want to be called inwards because they will never be called inwards, like, to their face.

And that's something to say, you know, I. I don't.

I don't see it as a special club, because guess what?

Oppression is oppression.

A special club.

I didn't know that.

I'm not.

Where's my tequila lemonade?

If it's a special club, like, where's my bevy?

If it's a special club, I like.

It is, yes.

To be black is a great thing.

It is a great thing.

As someone, I will choose being black in every lifetime.

Black American.

Yes, I will choose that in every lifetime.

And also, black people across the diaspora who are black who identify as black can say the N word.

And they should be able to say the N word.

I hate to break it, too.

In this.

This will get the girls going.

I hate to break it to my fellow black Americans, but we do not own blackness as an experience.

Blackness is a global experience.

It's not just an experience unique to the US Being black American, yes, that is a unique experience.

Being a descendant of, you know, people who experience chattel slavery, yes, that is a unique experience.

But being black, you know, globally, is not a.

Is not a unique experience just to black Americans.

And we need to understand that and we need to also have a really strong conversation with our own xenophobia.

Like, I, I have many of migrant folks in my life.

I'm not trying to be like, I got migrant friends.

I'm not xenophobic.

Like, that's not what I'm trying to say.

Like I, there's been a point in time in my life where I've had xenophobic beliefs because also as a black American, we are trained and definitely like sensitized in a way to be very xenophobic based off of where we live and have like an anti migrant like approach to life because of our own oppression and suffering.

And also we lack a global understanding of blackness and racism and white supremacy.

We do.

And that's intentional.

That's, that's very much intentional.

But it doesn't change the fact that people are black and they're in globally.

There are racial slurs that have been used against black people across the diaspora on a global scale.

And the N word has been one of them.

It has been.

So it is okay for black people across migrant experience to say the N word.

And we need to unpack why we feel so beholden to a slur being ours.

Let's talk about that.

Like, that's a little weird.

That's very.

Not a little.

It's a lot weird.

And we should unpack that 100%.

And on the other end, like, I understand why black Americans feel beholden to it because we also don't necessarily feel a part of the diaspora because of, you know, I would say anti blackness, you know, from folks, you know, from migrants where it's like you don't know where you came from or you don't know where you belong, who, you don't know your country of origin.

And I want to say to black migrants, that's not our fault, babe.

That's not our fault.

But also, if I had it my way.

No, no, let's cut you off.

But just that point.

Also, who says you're not from here?

Like, I'm just like, how long, you know, not to, to throw Raven someone a bone,.

Please.

At what point do you get to say you're from here?

Because like you said, being African American is a unique experience to you and you're a descendant of people who came here over 400 years ago.

At what point are you.

Because now Bia, you're not just African.

Your, your DNA is not just African.

It, there's European there.

You might even have native.

You know, you have a little.

I, Yes, I actually am Creole.

I'm like Fun fact for the podcast.

I am Creole as well.

You know, you know, my lineage is indigenous, but that's a whole other conversation that we may not be able to touch.

Because who.

Black people are indigenous.

Surprise.

Black people can be indigenous.

Oh, you know, so like that.

At what point do we say.

And that's my issue with like, you know, migrant folks.

Like, at what point do you say that someone is not from here because they're black?

Like, you know, but go ahead.

I do.

I want us to just make that point.

No, yeah, absolutely.

And I lost my train of thought.

But, you know, I was on a rant for sure.

I'm sorry.

But that was like two of my talk.

Because I feel like that's something that.

And I think that I appreciate that.

I understand.

I don't agree that, you know, only black Americans can say the N word.

I do, I agree.

I do agree.

You know, personally, it's stupid.

It's dumb because I haven't called the N word multiple times.

And I'm not trying to use in America or abroad.

Both.

I'm trying to use it as a.

But also.

Yeah, but I feel like, I feel like in America more than anything else.

Right.

Like, I feel like the first time I was called the N word was on Grindr.

Right?

Because I was.

I wasn't going to send a picture of my BBC true story.

Right.

This was like, you know, a month into me living in the us, another story.

I could cry laughing right now.

Because.

You're not gonna send.

You're not gonna send me a picture of what you got going on instead.

Yeah, like, and they called you a slur.

Crazy.

Crazy.

You with the er.

Well, I'm glad I didn't.

You like, because guess would it be race play for you?

Like what?

But so, so I don't think that that should be the case.

But I also, like I say, I also be like these.

I thought diaspora wasn't existed.

A vacuum.

And I think that because of, like you said, anti blackness because of, you know, we have been socialized to be against each other.

Because I also like, you know how you admitted that you had xenophobic views at some point.

I had anti black views about black Americans.

You know, surely when I was like in my deep in my Christian bag.

And.

You know, and it was like, you know, they don't want to work hard.

They got opportunities.

I know that I used to run like a Christian website at some point and there is this.

I had this contributor who was Nigerian American who will contribute like articles about like, you know, Christian rap and all that kind of stuff.

And I think I wrote an article about, you know, race and Christian music and how, you know, look at how the Christian music industry is doing so much better for judging it from the lens of ccm and not even gospel.

Right.

You know, because we used to conflate both together in Nigeria.

So, you know, here there's the CCM industry, which is like, Michael W. Smith and all the hillsong, and then there's gospel.

That's Kirk Franklin and all the people.

And then there are a few black people who will do ccm.

And I remember we were on Twitter, and she was like, there are rarely any black CCM artists.

CCM artists aren't really thriving like, you know, their other counterparts.

And I was like, no, but they're doing this.

They are black CCM artists who are doing well.

And I call, like, maybe the one token CCM artist, you know, and it's like.

And they're just trying to, like, explain to me why, you know, my reasoning is wrong, why they are like, the CCM industry in itself doesn't have a lot of black folks in there.

It's like, maybe, like, Nicole Mullen and maybe Mandisa, who has passed, like, all these people.

And I will be like, you know, no, you know, they.

I'll call maybe some gospel artists, and they're like, no, you're not.

They're not sitting in their gospel.

You know, I was.

I was trying to speak over people who were leaving that experience in the country.

Yeah.

And I think that I told myself all the time that if I can just speak to her one more time and apologize for my ignorance and apologize for saying things I didn't really know about.

But.

And I think that that's where a lot of African migrants, you know, show their face and, you know, you just say the things that you don't have any idea about.

You speak on a culture you don't have any idea about.

You speak on the people you don't have any idea about.

You know, and you make these blanket statements that people don't have culture.

Of course, yes, you know, they would want you to participate in our culture.

Right.

You say that when you, you know, use their lingo and you use elements of their culture.

You dress in their cultural.

You know, things from their culture.

You, you know, you use elements of their music to make your music.

And then you say, you know, it is.

You know, you all don't have any culture while you're tiny bandana and wearing baggy jeans, you know, and Wearing a FUBU shirt.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

It's like, what are we talking about?

And I think that that is where.

That is the disconnect that happens for folks.

And I feel like that we have to take some ownership in, like, that whatever happens is not happening in a vacuum.

Like, it's happening because it's not trying to understand each other.

Like, you know, African Americans are not trying to understand that there is a.

Their blackness is more expansive than, you know, America.

And which is, to be fair, I also, you know, people say I give a lot of grace to African Americans.

But, like, to be fair, America is big.

This is a huge country.

Huge.

It is.

Yeah.

Huge country.

People who.

The people who live in Mississippi that have never been to LA will never go to la, will never know what it's like to be la.

Right.

And the black experience in LA is different.

Different from Mississippi.

So it's like, even in the us.

Sometimes, similar crossover because of great migration, you know?

Yes.

Sometimes it's like there are things that, you know, obviously there are threads that connect, you know, black people in the US for sure.

But there are ways of being.

That are unique to people who are Creole, who are Gullah, Geechee, who are from the Carolinas, who are from la, the black LA natives who are from New York, Midwest who are from dc, who are from the Midwest, Chicago.

And so it's like, you have to understand that it is a big.

So they are still trying to figure out how to understand each other.

Talk about trying to figure out how the innate people act.

You know what I'm saying?

They're trying to figure.

This is trying to figure out, you know, before they can figure out what Nigeria is like or what South Africans like.

So I think that we need to lead with curiosity when we have these conversations.

I think that's what is lacking, leading curiosity.

Absolutely.

Don't meet someone and be like, so where.

So where are you really from?

You know, I'm from North Carolina, and.

I don't hear that.

Yes.

Yeah, I've had that happen to me abroad.

I'd be like, I'm American, the Indian.

The English people do it a lot.

From what I see on TikTok.

No, for real.

The black.

And also when I went to Berlin, like, I understand that, like, I. I think people have a very interesting sense of, like, what migration is.

And I understand that place really ground someone in their own identity.

It's like, oh, I'm from here.

This is something that, like, this is a place that, like, carved me Made me, you know, like, really essentially, like, shaped me into who I am.

And I think there is in a lot of senses, our own pretense or our own assumptions of, like, how people could develop a sense of self that's rooted in blackness in a place that is inherently anti black.

And I can say the same to the.

In it, like, y' all there with the queen.

Like, does she recognize y'?

All?

Like, because honestly, we can have a lot of conversation around that, especially around the United Kingdom and Meghan Markle.

We could talk about that in particular, we could talk about a lot of things.

But I think for me, the reason why, like, black people have so much emphasis on place is because we also are deeply searching for belonging in a way that is supposed to tie us to a sense of self, but also a future direction as well.

And I understand that and understand the yearning for that.

And also I think it's part of the reason why in a lot of ways, when we talk about black people across identity, we talk about black queer folks, we talk about black trans folks, we talk about black migrants, we talk about black poor people, we talk about folks across black folks who with disabilities, that it's almost foreign to folks to understand yourself through the experiences that you may have, not just place.

Yeah.

And for me, I think that's really challenging because that's exactly what, you know, the powers that be want us to focus on, is how we are different instead of the ways that.

How we have commonalities across experience based off of our experiences and our differences.

Like, our differences actually are the ways that we are shaped in the ways that we can relate to each other and find commonality and like, also comfort in the difference.

And I think for me, it's just like, it's a challenging conversation to have these diasporic wars all the fucking time because you're black, just like I'm black.

If we didn't open our mouths and speak like, they're like.

When I was in Berlin, many a times before I opened my mouth to speak, and I think there are certain tells that I was American by the way that I walked to the way that I look, you know, made a look lost or whatever.

But if you don't hear my.

Hear me speak, just like I've been in other countries, like, I've been in Brazil, and people have assumed that I am Brazilian because before I opened my mouth and then be like.

And then be mad at me, I've had Brazilians be like, why you don't speak no Portuguese?

And I'd be like, I'm sorry my mama ain't teach me no Portuguese.

Mind you, this lady never knew Portuguese.

Like, she never, like, how is she going to teach me Portuguese?

But that's the thing about blackness is that we should also understand blackness as a symbol of unity and a commonality just based off of presentation.

And that's the problem with our.

I think in a lot of ways is that we don't operate off of presentation as a way to.

As like commonality in belonging.

We just look, we, we are so like, keen on being like, this is where I'm from.

This is.

And having like a pride in where you particularly are.

Almost.

It's like a sense of nationalism, of like, I am American and so I have American pride.

That can be one thing, one, one tendril of who you are, but you're informed by so many other things.

But it's intentionally rooted for us to made so that we don't find commonality amongst our experiences because they don't want us to.

Because then we have cracked the code.

We will crack the code by seeing commonality in our blackness.

To be like, that ain't right.

We both have an economic disparities.

Both, both our communities across the, across the globe don't have clean water, or we both don't have this, or we both don't have that.

And making.

And making it really clear and having an understanding of like blackness is.

It's an experience, but also it's a construct that is then allowing for us to be subservient or underneath a class of people.

And that in itself should be our common place.

Not whether we can say, because some spoiler.

If you're going to say, you're going to say spoiler alert.

Oh my gosh.

But at the same time, it's like we have bigger fish to fry.

I, I said that about Karisha too.

We do have bigger fish to fry.

Now, Fat Joe, he can't say that's something we should be aligned around.

We.

Fat Joe can't say, nigga, we should be clear about that because he's not black and he never identified as black.

But these conversations, they're good to have.

But let's not stay here.

Let's turn the analysis up.

Let's turn it up.

I think that we all end up in a very, like, elementary place for it.

And the FBA is don't make it any more, any, any easier.

The foundation of, you know, black Americans don't make it any easier for us to have those conversations.

And no, no, no, for Real.

It doesn't make it easier.

And I respect.

I do.

Like I said, I respect, you know, like I said, like, you talked about being you, having some indigenous in you.

Like, I respect wholeheartedly.

Okay.

Indian in me.

No, I'm joking.

People gonna say that in the comments.

You got Indian in you?

Yeah.

Let's see your hair.

I respect the culture.

I respect black culture.

I respect black American culture, specifically.

I love the culture.

The culture has shaped lots of global black culture in itself.

But also, you know, Jamaican culture has shaped global black culture.

South Africa has shaped global black culture.

Nigeria has shaped Ghana.

Like, there are many parts of the black diaspora that shapes.

Yes, yes.

Because of, you know, capitalism, you know.

You know, the black American culture has been commodified, unfortunately, you know, and sold.

And so that could be a thing that we can address and talk about, deconstruct in a later time.

But there's need for us to not dwell on the.

On the surface level things and the petty arguments and also show up in respect for each other.

You know what I'm saying?

When is.

Juneteenth, don't play Afrobeats.

You know, don't do it.

Don't do it.

Don't do it.

Don't play Afrobeats, Juneteenth.

Yes.

You know what I'm saying?

Let me tell you something.

I might want to hear a little devito.

I do, but.

And there's nothing wrong like that.

I think that's the thing is that we become so, like, is it like racial essentialist?

Like, we're like, oh, that's not black American.

And it's like, but we're people.

Don't.

I really.

I really would love for black people in the US and this is coming from black American to have a more expansive understanding of blackness and.

And the diaspora.

I think that piece, the connecting points are so lost because I also would say that we black Americans look down our nose at African infrastructure, at, you know, black centered infrastructure in a way that's like.

Oh, like calling a quote unquote country third world country is disgusting.

Like, when knowing that, you know, the powers that be have toppled in colonized particular areas in the world.

For those superpowers to be the superpowers that they are, and for us to then, you know, sit on our high horse and be like, y' all ain't got no iPhones over there, babes?

They're building the iPhones off of.

Off of the Congo's back.

Like, what do you mean?

Like, there will be no iPhones.

There will Be no accessibility.

There will be no commercialism if it wasn't for countries in Africa that are literally bolstering up our economies in many ways.

So I think that's the piece for me is that we can't, we can't have the inward conversation without having a fuller view of it.

And the intention is there for us to not see the full picture.

Yeah.

You know, and we can get into all the, all the things on a whole nother day.

But it's like, yeah, mine.

And, and mind you, the children have been left behind.

They have been.

And we are the children collectively.

There are some older folks who like folks our age and above.

We are the children.

Children.

Like, we are the children.

And it's never too, never too late to learn.

I want to put that out there.

It's never too late to pick up a book.

It's never too late to watch a documentary, to travel to a place and sit at the feet of people who live there.

Is that a title of the episode is the Wrestling to Pick Up a Book?

Yeah, that actually is a great title.

I love that.

It's because it's not, it's not too late to pick up a book and an actual book.

An actual one.

Not the, the smut.

The.

Because my thing is we looking down at other people.

But babes, you're reading solely smut.

Solely smut.

Hood smut.

That from ebooks online.

You're buying people's and support independent writers.

Love it.

And let's add some, some other things in there.

Let's throw some other things in there.

Let's, let's watch a documentary.

If books are not your thing, you could listen.

You can listen to an ebook.

That doesn't mean you read a book.

You listen to a book.

For the record.

Yes.

And I read the book though, because of my ears.

Oh, we found, we found a diverging conversation.

I, I do agree, but I do think there's something that, like, even if you have a kindle in your hand, you still don't get like the full effect of looking at words on a page.

Absolutely.

But if you're busy, yeah, let's listen to it.

But I don't know about.

I, I can't know.

I, I'm unsure to be like, I read this book.

I listen to it.

Like I listen to Kid Fury and Crizzle.

Did I read the transcript of their podcast?

No, I listen to them.

But again, I hear you.

I hear you.

I can do both.

I, I, I like to do both.

I like to.

You can absolutely book and the.

And the audio.

Yes.

And I'm not discounting what that does for someone, but it's.

It's not my thing.

And also, you know, I'm not going to discount it either.

If you got to listen to the book, listen to the book, but make sure it's a book of substance, at least read the news.

Tap into the news.

There's nothing wrong with that.

The news that is reliable and credible.

And also, look, debunk information.

Because a lot of these conversations that we're having about migration.

Facts are facts.

Facts and feelings are not the same.

They're not the same.

And you can't just read social media.

Big, big bold font, white, white letters.

You can't just.

If you see that that's not something.

That's not actual literature.

That's not you scanning the news.

You went on Shade Room like, yes, that's one place.

But contribute to your whole.

Now I'm ranting about literacy.

Media literacy in the 21st century.

Yeah, shout out to them.

Media literacy.

Okay, I guess we can move on to kin lessons.

Okay, so the days are getting shorter and darker now.

We are approaching fall.

Reminder it fall has not happened.

I see the fall propaganda.

I see the pumpkin spice lattes.

I actually saw a wearing a sweater today with jeans.

It is cold in Minneapolis.

It is.

What's the.

It's 90 degrees here.

Basically, I'm in Atlanta.

Let me, Let me check Minneapolis because it's been.

That makes sense.

Has been acting out.

It doesn't make sense for now, though.

It doesn't make sense right now.

It's been.

The weather has been acting out all week.

El Nino.

El Nino.

Look that up, kids.

It is 58.

Look up El Nino.

58 Is not bad.

That is od to wear a sweater in 58 degree weather.

But I saw a wearing a sweater in 90 today.

I know y' all are feeding for fall.

She's not here yet.

She actually comes on my birthday.

Shout out to fall.

Yeah, Shout out to fall.

I'm a true fall girly.

I bring the season in.

Amen.

I digress.

So, yeah, fall is almost upon us.

I. I am a victim or survivor to seasonal depression.

I'm curious, Harry.

How do you.

Do you get seasonally depressed or do you have seasonal depression?

Yes, I know.

I think I'm depressed a lot of times.

Just kidding.

No one excuses.

I'm struggling.

How can you not be today?

But I think that.

I think that I feel like during the winter, especially if you live in like a city like Minneapolis, I think people Tend to want to isolate people tend to want to be by themselves and do their things.

I think that now is the time.

I always like to use it as a time to actually pull people in.

That's when we hang out and we have, like, a kickback or we hang out at someone's home or do something.

I think that always help in our own community because I feel like it can be very isolating in the colder because my first winter was.

You know what I'm saying?

So I like to.

If I want to stay.

Girl, I know you was shook.

You said, what the fuck is this?

Like, I know you were shook.

I was.

I wasn't.

I was excited.

I was like, oh, my God, snow.

I did a video, but you were over it.

But next week, I'm like, damn.

When I had to, like, actually shovel the snow, and I was like, damn, this is crazy.

Damn.

This ain't really that fun or picturesque.

I know.

But, yeah, I think that just being with community always helps me personally, though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

How about you?

I deeply relate to that.

Being community deeply helps me, I think, when I do.

I think one thing that I have realized as someone who works from home, I have to get out of my house.

Like, they're.

They're.

In the summertime, I don't be in my house, like, as often as, like, when the colder months, because who wants to put on a jacket?

I don't really like real shoes, to be honest.

So in the summertime, my toes are out, babes, and y' all are not seeing my toes for free.

But yeah, in the summer months, I. I like to be outside because.

And just, like, everybody is warm.

It's nice.

People are gathering.

In the colder months, everyone's sad.

It's gray outside.

But I really try to.

I'll go to a coffee shop.

Co work from there, or I like.

I like to do little co working hangouts with friends in those times.

I do love a good outing.

I love a bonfire.

You know, the gays love lesbians especially.

They love a bonfire so much.

The.

The.

The femme queers in Minnesota.

Oh, my God, let's make a fire.

We love a bonfire.

Like, who wants to do a fire?

Like, who has a fire pit in the backyard?

I don't want to smell like.

Like fire.

I think that's like the dyke in me.

That's like, what do you mean?

You don't want to smell like fire?

And also you shower afterwards.

It's dark.

You should be taking a shower or something.

But, like.

Like, it's.

And it's not that bad.

Like, you not going to smell like fire.

Maybe it's just me.

Okay.

But it does get cold now in Atlanta.

Because I was like, does it get that cold in Atlanta?

You only the fire, but it does.

It does get cold.

It does.

I think it's like December, November.

December is when we, like, okay, a fire.

And it honestly, it doesn't have to get that cold for people to be like, it's freezing.

Like, we actually are a little dramatic.

We don't know how to deal with snow.

Like, when it snows here, you might not want to drive.

People act like they don't know how to do anything.

If it rains too hard here, people don't know how to drive.

I mean, last year I was in Atlanta.

The one that was talked about on.

Was he.

Was it last year?

Ultimate girls trip?

Maybe that was this year.

I don't know.

I think that was this year.

That was this year.

Yeah.

But last year, 2025, I was there and everywhere was shut down, you know, Literally.

Yeah.

In Minnesota, y', all.

Y' all be like, it's kind of.

It's got a little heavy today.

But going to the club in a blizzard with my friends,.

That's how I was in Virginia.

That's how I was in Virginia.

Because trust and believe.

It don't matter how cold it is.

I'm not putting a jacket on when I'm hitting the clubs, babes.

Maybe a leather jacket at best.

And then I'm trying.

I'm trying to find a place to ditch it.

Like, I'm like, where y' all got a coat check here?

We don't have CO checks.

And that's, I think, the thing.

We're just not culturally, like, tapped into colder weather in that way.

It depends on the party you go for.

Some parties have code check.

Just saying some parties do those parties I don't really be at because those are a little too grown for me, you know?

Like, the grown girls be having coat check.

I be at the bars where it's like, pull up.

You know, I need to change that because I am getting to a certain age.

I was just thinking about the sex parties.

Sex parties?

Yeah.

Because you have nothing underneath the coat.

So, yeah, of course the sex parties have a code check.

That's crazy.

Well, I hope my mother is not listening.

Listening to this podcast.

Who I almost sent this podcast to my godmom.

I'm still thinking about it.

I don't know.

Do it.

Send this episode.

But they know me to a certain extent, all things considered.

Chosen kin.

Stay in community.

When it gets dark and it gets a little cold, stay in community.

Honestly, if you.

Actually, I'm not going to recommend that.

I almost recommended that.

Folks, go ahead and do cuffing season and just be.

But don't be trapped in.

As we have learned last episode, don't be trapped in the snow with a loser.

That's a lesson we learned.

But on this episode, we learned pick up a book.

Pick up a book.

You won't regret it.

What will you regret from picking up a book?

Be like, oh, that was mid.

But guess what?

Read a book.

It was still a book.

It was still a book.

Loved that for you.

Yeah, it was still a book.

This is a great episode.

Great episode.

As always.

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