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No Time For Love Doctor Jones #5: Vienna 1908
Bonus Episode24th April 2024 • Chainsaw History • Jamie Chambers
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We dive back into history with Indiana Jones in our series "No Time For Love Doctor Jones," where Jamie Chambers drags his sister Bambi through another adventure of nine-year-old Henry Jones, Jr. When ancient one-eyed Dr. Jones is forced to see a psychiatrist he forces her to listen to the story of the day he met Sigmund Freud, Alfred Adler, and Carl Jung—who encouraged him to break into a castle to give a snowglobe to a princess.

Prepare for a baffling childhood romance in Vienna as we track the development of the most heroic archeologist in cinema!

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Hey, Dr. Jones, no strength or love! We've got company!

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Oh, hello! Do you happen to be my psychiatrist?

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Today, absolutely.

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See, I'm a one-eyed dementia-ridden old man who's definitely not crazy!

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You're definitely not Indiana Jones either, but whatever.

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I am a hundred percent Indiana Jones, don't you know?

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Just ask my friend, Lawrence of Arabia and Picasso.

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And I'm not crazy at all.

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So anyway, let me tell you about how I almost got shot

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trying to give a snow globe to a little girl.

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Hello, everybody.

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It's no time for love, Dr. Jones,

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where we follow the fictional adventures of Dr. Henry Walton Jones Jr.

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as he bounces off real world history and important figures.

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I am your host, Jamie Chambers, and this is my reluctant sister, Bambi.

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Yeah, I really did. Yeah, not digging it.

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You're going to love it today.

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This episode was terrible.

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Oh, the episode of young love plus psychiatry?

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Oh, not to mention poor parenting.

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Well, that's on display in every episode.

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This is bonus content that we give for free and to everybody on ChainsawHistory.com for now,

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to see if you want us to make more of this kind of thing,

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not to mention the main show.

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For anyone who wants to follow along with us,

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you can find these episodes of Young Indiana Jones on the YouTube channel

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called Young Indie Restored

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until Disney decides that they're not allowed to have that up anymore

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because that is the version of the episodes we're watching

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because we insist on having old George Hall's version of old Indiana Jones.

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No, Jamie insists that crusty old man indie

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who is absolutely not Harrison Ford in any reality.

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Well, that's my thing.

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The respect I have for George Hall is that he refused to watch

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a single Harrison Ford performance

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or even try to evoke Indiana Jones in any way.

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He's like, I have the hat.

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That's all I need.

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It's just so bad.

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And this episode was especially bad.

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But we're rounding down.

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We've only got a handful of episodes left with a Cory Callender

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as young indie before we jump ahead to the teenage years.

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Yeah, I would love to get to Sean Patrick Flannery at this point.

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We have to get to Take Your Medicine.

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And I mean, it's not like those episodes are going to be good.

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Or rather, you know, it's like...

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They'll just be better.

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They will be better.

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And it'll be Sean Patrick Flannery as opposed to this fucking kid.

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Today's episode is Vienna, November 1908.

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So our first segment is...

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I don't know how I'm making this upside go.

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In this section of the show,

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we talk about the plot and major story points of the episode.

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So we can say Bambi had a great time watching

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The Adventures of Indiana Jones at nine years old.

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I'm just glad I'm allowed to watch it high.

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If I weren't allowed to watch it high, then I wouldn't watch it at all.

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I even let you record high.

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So you got to get through this somehow.

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We once again begin in some time in the early 1990s

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as ancient Indiana Jones barges into a waiting room,

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quickly called in to meet Carol Schultz, MD, psychiatrist.

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See, headcanon, this is where George Hall should be committed

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for not being Indiana Jones.

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Why is this old bastard claiming he's Indiana Jones

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and knows all these famous people?

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This man needs to be locked up.

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That and he kept telling about his children.

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And now we know that is an absolute thing

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that he did not have children plural.

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Well, right now there are fans.

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I have seen this on social media very recently

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about fans literally talking about the alternate Indiana Jones timelines

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and where they split off from each other.

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And so that's a whole another longer conversation we'll get to later.

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So back to the episode old Indiana Jones,

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he explains he was trying to get a cat out of a tree

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and he got stuck up there.

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Then the fire department had to get him down.

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He also explains the hates cats.

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He's like I didn't was never fond of cats,

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but now I hate them like a normal person says fuck cats.

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No, this old man bothers me in so many ways.

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And apparently in the comic book adaptation of this story,

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it's revealed that old Indy was actually rescuing his own cat named Henry.

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So the psychology of naming his cat his own name,

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which is his father's name the father that he hated

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and the name he rejected for himself.

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What the fuck?

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So yeah, so so Indy says his children are threatening

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to have him put in a nursing home and he is having none of it.

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He demands that the psychiatrist give him a test to prove

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that he's totally not insane.

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He's any screams like I demand that you test me.

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Yeah, because that always works.

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Well with health professional raging against their any he

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so he asked him a few questions

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and he claims there's no diagnosed mental illness in his family

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completely avoiding these he phrases it very carefully

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of like the obsessive crazy the abusive father.

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Well, technically at the turn of the century,

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his his father was wasn't beating him.

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So they were actually still her parents for the time.

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Well, we don't know that we didn't see him beat his son.

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It was just implied.

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Obviously not because he's still a shit whatever the abuse is.

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It didn't work.

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It's all psychological.

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You know, what also didn't work getting kidnapped

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and beaten and almost sold into slavery.

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None of the nothing works on this consequences be damned.

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He is not worried about any of that.

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He's convinced each time it's going to work out

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and that's the thing.

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I mean we saw in the very first time we ever met in Nina Jones

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and Raiders of the Lost Ark.

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This is a crazy person who gets obsessed with something

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and never lets it go.

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Yeah, and apparently he believes he is bulletproof

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and so far that assumption is correct.

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If so when asked if he ever seen a psychiatrist before he says

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I did have a problem once but I got help.

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I had a long conversation with Sigmund Freud

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and then he goes on to add Carl Jung and Alfred Adler

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to the mix and Dr.

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Schultz quietly writes delusions on her pad

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and starts flipping through a Rolodex to call in someone

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with a straight jacket to pick up this old coot

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and see and that's where a big whole episode should have

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just ended there with him screaming his men and codes

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take our Indiana Jones Indiana Jones our we're with you

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your Nazis but instead old Indy senses that he's losing this

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woman.

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So he calls upon his one last tried-and-true superpower

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that he has left.

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He offers to tell this woman a story

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and she was silly enough to listen.

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Yeah, so as always happens we transition over the old bastard

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into the past as he says it was 1908

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and the world was just as insane as it is now.

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Yeah, that was in the 1990s.

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We were staying with the American Ambassador in Vienna

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in 1908 was the year of the first psychoanalytical conference

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which my father decided to attend.

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Yeah, I mean this is all I mean, I guess it's like he met

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psychiatrist so and this is why he's can tell the story

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of how he fell in love at nine years old again.

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I look at least this one had some more connection like

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some of them had zero like I'm playing pool that reminds

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me of physics and that reminds me of the time.

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My mom cheated on my dad.

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Yeah.

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I mean at least there's a straight line here.

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But again, he's seeing a psychiatrist like oh,

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I remember when I met a psychiatrist.

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I could have been with this whole story till the end,

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but whatever.

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So we dissolve back to 1908 in a scene of indoor horseback

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riding lessons and nine-year-old Henry Jones Jr.

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Is smiling at a pretty little girl in a top hat who is

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completely ignoring him as they trot around in circles

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with a dude in German yelling at them and in he is speaking

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back in German but gasp the little girl loses her hat

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in the dirt and it will surely catch a horse apple at

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any moment but little Henry Gallops ahead and does a slick

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move to scoop the head up and return it Miss Seymour.

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Just pretend she's reading a book and she's like I didn't

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see any of this.

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Thank you.

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The only thing I think with Miss Seymour is there are

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moments where she's just so goddamn grateful.

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That's not her kid.

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So the fancy pants Austrian writing instructor calls an

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into the lesson in German and addresses the little girl

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as your Royal Highness and to Henry.

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He says head Jones.

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How many times do I have to tell you remind you this is

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not the Wild West show.

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Yeah, because then they just start reverting back into

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English as usual the who's speaking the native language

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of where they're visiting and who's speaking English is

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super inconsistent and and dumb the moment you start

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thinking about it too hard.

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No, it's not even thinking about it too hard.

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It's just thinking about it at all.

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It would have been better for them to just everybody

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speak English and never even address foreign languages

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at all.

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Just pretend that this is like Star Trek, but instead

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they like sometimes use subtitles sometimes and then

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sometimes people who should be speaking their native

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language to each other just speak English for just for

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kicks.

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No, the show was not well done in a lot of ways.

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It was rough around the edges could use a little more

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polish which is why they're like the TV show versus the

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the movie thing is a rough transition for Indiana Jones.

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So but anyway the so this do this dude yelling him in

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German and Henry develops what I think is his first true

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desire to punch a German speaking man in the mouth and

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one day that will blossom into a Nazi punching Inferno

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of rage, but in the stables a little Henry awkwardly

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introduces himself and reveals that while he's learning

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German.

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He's he still kind of sucks he misgenders her horse and

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then just kind of blathers in her face for a minute and

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she just looks at him.

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Yeah, but for some reason he's like charming her which

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is also not wearing his little chapeau and he kind of

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stumbles into the fact that she's her Royal Highness

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as in she's a straight-up princess.

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She is Sophie a daughter of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

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Yeah that guy a name that I'm sure will never come up

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again in history ever.

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He's next in line for the throne Austria-Hungary.

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No big deal.

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The Archduke's nickname for his precious little daughter

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is Pinky.

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I guess I wonder if that's a historical factor if they

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just kind of threw a thing in there, you know, I didn't

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see that when I was looking through some other stuff,

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but I assume that has to have come so there's no reason

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for that to be in there if it wasn't something they

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pulled out of a history book because otherwise it was

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just fucking weird.

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But of course then he's like, well, what should I call

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you and her answer is your Royal Highness isn't see and

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that should have just been where she walks away end

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of episode.

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Well, she were she realized she had been a tiny bit

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of a bitch so out of pure guilt.

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She's like hey, you want to come walking like he's like

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walking away with his shoulders slumped in his head

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down like he's just got burned so bad.

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So she feels sorry for him and invites him for a walk

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which was the worst mistake.

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She could have made that day.

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Yeah, so both kids are stuck with their respective old

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ladies and after a bit they break for lunch.

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See her.

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She had a well middle-aged she had yeah, she didn't

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have it because I mean even Sophie she was like your

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governess is old.

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She had you know, a nice middle-aged froy line.

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Yeah, like the typical what you'd expect for, you know,

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a good German born lady.

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She was sort of stereotypical there.

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So the princess asked Henry if he rode the Viner

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Reichenrad the big ass Ferris wheel that was first

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built in 1897 and they had this big establishing

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shot of the gardens.

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You can see the Ferris wheel in the background and

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he was like duh course I did and then he finds out

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that she has not ridden the Ferris wheel or done

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much anything actually fun.

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Yeah, and he was like you can do whatever you want.

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You're the princess and she looks at him like like

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you're an idiot.

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You're dumb as shit because that is not all fucking

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especially princesses for a world traveler.

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He's incredibly nice.

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He is he has been sold into child slavery and yet

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he's still so adorably naive.

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So after learning that Sophie lives a cooped-up

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princess life.

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He suggests they go look around and the old ladies

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had hit it off and are having a nice conversation.

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So they just say stay where we can see you and we

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also know that Indiana Jones is pathologically

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incapable of following orders of any kind.

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So the moment they're out of sight.

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It's like we got to break those rules.

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Yeah, but his response was it'll be okay.

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Trust me 30 seconds later.

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He's suggesting they ditched the garden and go ice

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skating and that's where he literally like she at

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first sort of gives a fake protest.

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He's like gives the same place Indiana Jones

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classic line.

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He says it many times in the future trust me and

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she's like, okay, so they get on their skates and

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they fumble around the ice.

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They have a cute little kid time where they

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holding hands and then predictably and of course

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we have the fear lines that we have a screaming

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your line in German running across the ice which

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was so predictable that I told her and I was like

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this is going to happen.

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Just wait, of course, of course it happens.

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Everyone stops all eyes are in the children as

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they're being screamed at in German and this lady

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even says you haven't heard the last of this as

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she grabs little Sophie takes off and Sophie just

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looks sad and the entire crowd just lines up to

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watch him get humiliated.

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Yeah.

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And then the Seymour has to like totter out on

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the ice and grab him and he's like Sophie and

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she's like, that's quite enough, Henry.

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Yeah.

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And again, she's like, this should have been the

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very, very, very end of it, but in that you can

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say that for like almost every scene, but they

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just keep going and it just keeps happening.

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It's like a train wreck.

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It's like one, one only one should have derailed

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for some reason.

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And in my head, Canon, the archduke outlawed ice

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skating in Vienna from that point on and everyone

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blamed Indiana Jones.

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So we cut to then professor Henry Jones senior

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ripping his nine year old son, a new asshole.

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Yeah.

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And then in the same breath insisting that he go

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to a boring dinner.

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Well, that would know that wasn't the same breath.

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That was later.

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We have, we have scenes in between, but yeah, for

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the record, I mean, Dr.

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Jones was angry and did yell at little Henry,

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but considering he almost like made an

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international incident.

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Well, that's what, that's what he said.

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He's like, you almost, you almost caused an

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diplomatic incident junior.

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And he shoves this letter from the archduke

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himself in Henry's face.

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This letter asking the American ambassador to

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get control over his people.

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And Henry says, he's sorry that he meant no harm.

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And his father responds, you have brought shame

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on us all and your country.

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And again, that should have been the end of the

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episode.

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I mean, yes, there's no, and Henry is locked in

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his claw in a closet for the rest of the episode.

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Yeah.

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And Mrs.

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Jones is in the room and she doesn't say shit.

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And then just like, just sort of comforts him

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after that guy, literally who said, you've shamed

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your family and your country of storms off.

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But he did.

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Yeah.

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He ain't wrong.

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I mean, dad was a whole, he was an asshole a

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lot of the times, but also he was right.

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A whole bunch of them.

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I mean, they were staying in the American

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ambassador's home and then caused some shit.

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It's, it's pretty embarrassing.

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So Dr.

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Jones says he'll apologize for junior and there

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will be no more writing lessons in Vienna.

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And then he storms off to drink shaken, but not

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stirred martinis for the rest of the day.

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Henry's mom comforts him and explains the

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princess is so tightly watched because her

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family is in constant danger.

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Totally not true.

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Nothing bad ever happens to any of these

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people.

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What are they even talking about?

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She says they live on a powder keg, but many

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people want the hats Habsburg empire destroyed.

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Yeah.

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And again, so the fact that this little girl

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in her governance is just walking around the

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city.

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Well, I mean, Vienna should be a pretty safe

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place for them, but the, but maybe not Serbia.

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I mean, it's all just, it's, it's all very

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inconsistent.

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Maybe not visit Sarajevo.

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There's just, this episode bothered me.

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I don't know why it bothered me a lot more

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than other episodes.

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Interesting choice of why they decided to put

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princess Sophie of Hohenberg in this episode,

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but whatever.

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So the little boy just doesn't get why an

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apology won't get him, get completely off the

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hook.

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He's like, I didn't mean any harm.

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I'm willing to say, I'm sorry, my bad, but why

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can't I hang out with this chick I'm into?

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Yeah.

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And then the response.

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Why can't we be friends?

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You'll make other friends.

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No, there's no one like her in the whole world

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as he storms off, shaking his little fist in

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rage.

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And again, nine year olds usually don't act

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like that.

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That's, that's like a 13 year old thing, not

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a nine year old.

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So again, even the emotions of this is

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inconsistent.

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It's it's, it's, well, it is, it comes off as

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a little weird.

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It does feel like this is a story that like

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if they truly were going to follow him, it

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would have been good for like 12 or 13 years

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old, that middle school.

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Exactly.

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So he's even this episode, a number of

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people are remarking, you're seem a little

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young to even be feeling things like this.

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This is where you get like very strong,

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generally like friendship attachments.

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And you might play it like romance as a,

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almost like an imitation, but you don't feel

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and again, we're also talking about a kid

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who's been traveling the fucking world and

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can't get attached to people.

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He's only there for a couple of weeks at

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a time and he's bounced off.

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I mean, he was sold into slavery with a,

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with a friend and was just like, have fun

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being a slave asshole.

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Maybe a psychiatrist could figure out this

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stuff.

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So anyway, he's madly in love with princess

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Sophie at nine years old.

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So later we just, we, we cut to a study session

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under miss Seymour's watch.

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He's supposed to be doing something else,

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but he's actually writing a letter to the

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princess and miss Seymour catches on and

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confiscates the letter, which reads your

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Royal Highness.

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I'm sorry if I got you in trouble being

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with you is just great.

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I think of that day all the time.

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I'm worried to hear that you live in a powder

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keg if I had known this and this is where

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he'd got cut off.

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And she, instead of being mad, she realizes

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that his heart is in the right place and

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that he's got all these little feelings

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deep down inside.

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She's a romantic.

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Yeah.

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Oh no.

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She's across the old way.

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We've seen this now, like when, with the

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Puccini deal, like she, she has this burning

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heart for art and romance and

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well, I mean, even when mom ran off to the

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opera with, with, uh, yeah, with Puccini

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is like, she had so much empathy and said

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you would think that she would like being

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a strict old British lady would know you

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find out miss Seymour has layers

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and then Picasso,

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like you get this feeling that miss Seymour

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like had this tragic backstory of love lost.

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And now she's just this bitter old lady,

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but every once in a while, this sort of

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thing melts her heart.

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And so she decides instead of making him

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draw triangles all fucking day, that they're

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going to get into poetry and Henry doesn't

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want to do anything else.

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He says he has a knot in his stomach

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and he can't concentrate.

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So she asked him to recite a poem, which

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is titled of the pains and sorrows caused

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by love by sir Thomas white.

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That was written in the 16th century.

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And little Henry is astonished to find

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out that someone had this symptoms that

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he's experiencing of not being able to

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sleep or eat or think about anything and

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all from hundreds of years for, and then

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she's explained that this dude was in love.

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And he's like, whoa.

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Yeah.

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Which again, he's nine.

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It's like, I didn't think poetry was

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about anything.

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And while normally that would make miss Seymour

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she'd make him write like a 10,000 word essay,

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but there's, but this time her eyes are

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shimmering with all this romance.

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So instead, even then she was like, dude,

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you're nine.

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Yeah.

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But then he flips open another book and

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he's like, Oh, this one looks good.

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And it's loves philosophy by Shelley.

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And this is where the little boy realizes,

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Oh wow.

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He's like, do you think I'm in love?

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And she's like, well, you're very young,

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which is the like the 20 times you'll hear

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that over and over again, this episode,

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because even the people writing it realize

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it's sort of inappropriate for a nine year old.

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Yeah.

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But everybody seems to kind of also roll with

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it because he's nine.

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So there are, but again, this is like story

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sorta indulgent story by George Lucas that

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other people had to write for him.

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It was like, Nope, he's nine.

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And this is what happened.

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Okay.

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So Miss Seymour's line to Henry is devastating.

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She says, we all fall in love, Henry.

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Some of us too soon.

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And some of us too late.

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And you're like, damn.

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See, I want to see the, I want to see that

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episode.

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I want to see young Miss Seymour getting

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jilted or something.

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So mom checks on Henry who is reading poetry

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in bed and she and Dr.

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Jones are going to the opera, which I am

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honestly amazed he's ever going to let her

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anywhere near an opera house ever again.

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Oh really?

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No, I was like, go dad.

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At this point, he has figured out the best

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way through her panties is to the opera.

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So he was like, yeah, baby, let's go to the

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opera opera.

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I mean, you're going to be horned up by the

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time we get home.

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I guess so.

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So, but yeah, she's no longer worried about

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her running off with opera composers.

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Yeah.

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No, he just needs to take her and she chose

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him.

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I guess he got nothing to be worried about.

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And again, I doubt very seriously that anybody

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let on that there was anything happening

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while he was away.

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And she's only got like three years to live

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anyway, so might as well have some opera.

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So she tucks the little guy in bed and sings

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a lullaby, a paper of pins is the name of

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the song.

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And the next day Henry receives a reply from

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princess Sophie in the mail.

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She writes him a very sweet note hoping that

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one day they can meet again.

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So Mrs.

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Jones tries to talk her husband out of taking

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their son to dinner with the psychiatrist

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because there's apparently like this said in

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the beginning of the episode.

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There's a psychoanalytical conference, the

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world's first, and these really big, great

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minds, the fathers of, you know, three

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legends are going to be there.

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And at first Dr.

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Jones has got his, he's reading the paper or

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whatever, completely ignoring his wife.

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And she's like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And he's like, oh yeah, it's very good.

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Whatever woman talking again, but finally

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she's like, well, maybe Henry shouldn't go

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because you know what you said, Dr.

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Freud likes to speak about some racy things

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maybe inappropriate for a kid.

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And he's like, no, no, no.

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Dr.

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Freud is important, man.

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I want Henry to meet him.

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It's like, he's really like the whole point

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of the show.

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Don't you get what Lucas wants us to do.

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He's supposed to meet famous people.

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He's got to go, duh, woman.

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Did you not read the script?

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And for one moment she decided to try to be

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a mom, but then folded like a house of cards.

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Well, she, she has, she never even once gets

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up a hint of resistance against anything or

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she's never stood up to him in a single moment.

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And in this show, even when she should have,

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she is a tiny little wisp of a woman.

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Yeah.

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And the, almost the bravest thing she almost

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did was run away from it, but then she didn't

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have the actual courage to do it because

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well, that it would also include abandoning

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her child, banning her child, which she's

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not a bad mom.

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She obviously loves that little asshole.

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She only abandons him, uh, not by choice

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in a few more years.

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The only relief is through sweet, sweet death

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till death do us part, bitch.

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Yeah.

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That's the only way this, this is my way

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out and we don't know how she died.

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Maybe she just pull a Padme and just lost

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her will to live.

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That was it.

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But like we said, laid down one day was

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like, fuck this.

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Oh, we're definitely getting there in just

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a few more episodes.

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So as we said, there is a contractual obligation

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to have Indiana Jones meet famous people.

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And princess Sophie is weak sauce.

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Nobody knows her.

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Her dad's only famous and only because he

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got his head blown off.

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Well, that's not true.

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We got shot in the chest and died with

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some famous last words.

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Anyway, you get the point.

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There were some world Wars about it.

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Yeah.

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We'll talk about that later in the episode.

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Henry asked if dad ever gave his mom a gift

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when they were courting and she shows him a

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locket, which, which by the way, if you know

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anything about the actual like traditional

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courting, that would have been a no, no.

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You cannot accept story from anybody except

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for your intended.

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So that's already a historical streak.

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Yeah.

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And that would have been like in the late 1800s.

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So yeah, no, this is, that would have been

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an absolute mom's a harlot.

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If she would have done that.

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Well, we've already seen that his mom was

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already running off to bone an Italian rock

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star.

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That was for her own personal sanity.

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I don't judge her harshly a little bit.

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You've seen the man she's married to.

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Which again, we've barely seen this man

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raise his voice.

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So, so far what we see of him, he's actually

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pretty chill.

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Yeah.

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But it's the sort of the level of control

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and the way everyone seems so afraid of him

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makes him so much scarier than if he was

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raging around all the time.

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I mean, like I said, just that scene where

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like you've shamed our son off the family in

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our country, like damn, that's all he did.

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That wasn't even harsh words because that was

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the thing that actually happened.

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I mean, saying that he brought shame to the

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family, his country, and now we have to go

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back to America.

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Dishonor on you, dishonor on your cow.

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All right.

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So finds out about the locket and then we

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cut to Henry dashing through the streets of

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Vienna and he goes to a curio shop and spots

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a fancy snow globe of a romantic couple ice

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skating, but the price is 40 shillings, which

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is way beyond Henry's shitty little allowance.

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He leaves in defeat.

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And so predictably something happens.

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But in my head, I kept hearing, like even

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before I saw where they went, I heard this

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song every day.

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I'm hustled in my head because like I knew

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what's happening.

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Sure enough, Henry just wanders into a street

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hustler running a shell game right in the

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middle of the street.

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And he convinces a local to stake him on a

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bet, which cause he knows how the trick is

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done to hide the little pebble under the shell.

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And then he gets a cut of the winnings, which

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he immediately goes back.

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I mean, the whole point of this scene is

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just so like, this is how he gets the money to

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get the present.

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However, the funny thing about the money is

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it was 40 shillings and they gave him 10

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torch marks.

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So I don't even know how that no clue transfers

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and I wouldn't have caught that.

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But my husband was like, these aren't even the

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same currencies.

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What's going on?

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This is not the first currency.

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They have no idea when I was trying to figure

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out the going rate for a slave.

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It was what I found out that they were using

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the wrong form of currency.

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It was a whole thing.

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It had a 10 on the bill.

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No clue.

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So apparently the exchange rate for 40 shillings

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is 10 torch marks.

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Where he was just like, I have no idea how

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much this is taken.

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And he's like, the guy's like, ah, the exact

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amount I need.

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It just happens.

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Like he said, he's like, what a fucking dumb

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little kid.

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I'm rich.

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Um, so here's a fun little production detail.

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Only a few pages of the original script are

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available online, but I believe based on the

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hints I found that in the original version,

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Henry had taken the princess to ride in a

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Ferris wheel because she mentioned it in

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the conversation.

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And then there was a reference to the original

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gift was going to be a tiny replica of the

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Ferris wheel as his gift to princess Sophie.

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And in fact, also the little bit where he's

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like, you took the princess on a joy ride

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and that, which makes no sense for ice skating,

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but would make sense for a Ferris wheel ride.

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So it's like they set up the Ferris wheel

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and then probably couldn't get, couldn't

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film on a Ferris wheel.

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So they had to switch to something else in

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the middle of production.

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So that's why it became ice skating.

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Besides, it would have been much harder for

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the froy line to like,

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Oh, she'd been yelling at them and then

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forcing them to come.

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I mean, they just had to rewrite the scene

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very mildly in order to do it, but I think

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that was the original thing was she was

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interested in seeing the Ferris wheel.

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He takes her to the Ferris wheel and then

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he gives her a gift to remind her of the

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Ferris wheel and said he gets the snow globe

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of ice skaters.

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It's just, it's like, this is all the little

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TV production changes.

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He wastes no time immediately just charges

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to Belvedere palace, right up to the gate,

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shrieking, Sophie, I want to see Princess Sophie.

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And this is where little Henry gets shot.

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The end.

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Where he should have gotten shot the first

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time and instead of the gorgeous drags his

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dumb ass off to the side.

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They were like, Oh my God, this kid.

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Well, the Archduke's carriage goes through

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the gates and then they proceed to haul

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Henry off and toss his ass into the street

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where he belongs and dejected.

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Henry walks through the streets of Vienna

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and ends up staring at a painting depicting

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a man kissing a woman in a passionate embrace.

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It's a very famous image called the kiss

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by Gustav Klimt.

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We're halfway through the episode when we

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get to the big dinner where we finally meet

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doctors Sigmund Freud, Carl Jung and Alfred

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Adler.

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And this is the stupidest fucking part of

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the whole goddamn thing.

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And yet it's the point of the entire episode

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was to get so we could meet these guys and

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because they hired Max von Seidau to play

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Sigmund Freud, they could only afford him

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for one scene.

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This is the only thing you get and he he

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choose both the cigar and the scenery through

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this entire scene.

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Max von Seidau, who just recently died,

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rest in peace, legend.

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And he's great.

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He's great in this scene too.

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Like he doesn't sound anything like Sigmund

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Freud.

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He's not bothered with a with a German accent

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even a little bit, but he's just good because

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Max von Seidau has this incredible presence.

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Yeah, I mean and he didn't even look.

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Yeah, other than the fact that he's just

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this very commanding presence.

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He does not look or sound or anything like

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Sigmund Freud.

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No, not at all.

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He's just saying the lines, but just, but

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the same time, he's still the coolest person

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in the room because he's Max von Seidau.

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This is the scene that I have the most issue

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with starting from minute one.

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And again, they had a little tiny nine-year-old

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Henry at the head of the fucking table.

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You know, like you do.

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No, that is not like you do.

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Never.

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I mean, then they let him take over the whole

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conversation.

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And then even improper seating arrangements,

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he should have been stuck between his parents

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and not being allowed to speak.

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But no, they had him at the head of the table.

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Why wasn't fucking Freud at the head of the table?

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They have all three psychiatrists kind of

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bunched up on one side practically across

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from little Henry.

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Whoever the two ends of the table should have

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been the host and the hostess.

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Well, this is just as as believable as all

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the shit he did with Picasso.

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I mean, like every interaction he's had with

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all these famous people are all these all these

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but seating arrangements.

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How do you fucking at least not get a goddamn

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seating arrangement correctly?

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This is in this universe.

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This is supposed to be historic.

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He's the seating arrangement.

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He's also, if you checked the fucking name of

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the show, he sits at the head of the table.

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I mean, even if his dad would have been there

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at the head of the table, he was off in a corner

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and barely one halfway through the scene.

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He just shuts up and never says another word.

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Even while they're talking about sex and

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shit with his kid.

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It's great.

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So we let's get to the beginning of the scene.

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We're going to break this down.

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So we begin with Freud just sort of laughing

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about how the Viennese want him arrested for

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obscenity instead of celebrating the genius

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of his science.

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No, Freud was a fucking hack.

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Meanwhile, young is constantly like, please

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segment you please be appropriate as one does

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and cause, and he, you know, he chastises

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Freud for focusing on biology and me instead

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of the spirit and Freud says the spirit is

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just a fancy way of saying repressed sexuality

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and all the women grab their throats.

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Every single time the word sex is said, the

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camera cuts to one of the women looking

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deeply uncomfortable.

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She's like, this is 1908.

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Yeah.

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And again, that would have at least been

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historically accurate and Freud famously

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constantly making people deeply uncomfortable

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makes me uncomfortable reading and hearing

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this scene made me uncomfortable.

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Now,

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Freud, the most celebrated hack and weirdo

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in fucking psychiatry of projecting his

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own issues onto literally everyone, right?

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Not everybody's that into their parents

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sexually, dude.

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That's just you.

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So Henry jumps in after Freud actually quotes

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young was saying the pendulum of the mind

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swings between sense and nonsense, not

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between right and wrong, which is the historical

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version of the quote and it takes about five

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seconds to get the old quacks to talk about

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his preferred subject love.

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So young goes first and he and Dr.

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Jones bounce around the idea that romantic

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love is an invention of the medieval troubadours

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and Freud says that romantic love was invented

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as a means of seduction because it's all about

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sex because Freud is a fucking perv and he

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drops a doozy of a quote.

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He says romantic love is responsible for more

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death and destruction than anything say possibly

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religion and I was like goddamn Freud, but you're

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not wrong.

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That is correct, dude.

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That's actually the most correct.

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I mean if that's attributed to Freud, that's

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probably the most correct thing he's ever said.

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I don't I didn't actually look up this direct

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quote as if it was a Freud quote, but in terms

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of the line and there I was like, oh, that's

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a drop in some truth bombs Freud Alfred Adler

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finally decides to join the conversation and

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states that all people possess both the masculine

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and the feminine like images within them and

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that love is a yearning for balance that you

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find that other side of yourself that's not

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expressed.

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These are all the basic ideas that these men

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were famous for all condensed into this little

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dinner scene for for little Henry's and the

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audience's benefit while his mommy clutches

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her throat and pearls.

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So Henry confesses to the good doctors that he

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is in fact in love.

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And so of course they decide that counseling

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this nine year old boy is the most important

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business of the evening.

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Yeah, because this is once again the universe

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where this kid all every time he meets anyone

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of any significance they become like obsessed

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with him like Picasso basically kidnapped him.

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I mean, at least that's fun.

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It was really only the episode where his mom

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was getting her freak on where he just kind of

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became a background character and didn't

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really do a lot but every time else is all

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these all these that was the only that was the

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only time that it's like that was the most

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real episode that was the most believable

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story they've told 100% because he didn't do

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anything outrageous and no adults got unreasonably

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obsessed with nine year old boy, but in this

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case, especially at this point in time, it's

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these old have been weird.

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These old men are just drunk at dinner and want

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to decide they're going to help this little boy

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out with his dilemma.

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So Henry talks about Shelley's poem and then

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says, where does love come into all that and

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Freud answer makes Mrs.

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Jones choking her food sex.

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Yeah.

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And Freud doubles down.

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All love is derived from the need for sexual

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gratification.

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Even this boy's love of his mother and at this

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point, Mrs.

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Jones look like she's going to throw up and pass

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out.

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I would have too.

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It's I might've thrown something at him like

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excuse the fuck out of me and the women bail

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as fast as possible and Mrs.

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Jones wants to snatch her.

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She'll take time for bed little Henry.

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Yeah.

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And he was, they were like, no, no, no.

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And she doesn't put up a fight.

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She just fucking leaves.

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And it's not even like her husband said anything.

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She's never puts up a fight.

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But yeah, yeah.

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At this point, no, it was completely inappropriate

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for that kid to be there.

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And she is a terrible, terrible mom for not

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snatching her nine-year-old.

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Well, the funniest part too is like, like

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literally Dr.

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Jones senior never leaves the room.

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Even at this point, he's left the scene.

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He doesn't say a goddamn thing for the rest of

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time.

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So when his wife tries to get their kid,

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Freud's like, he's insist.

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He's, you know, I, my apologies ladies,

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but please let the boys stay.

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We're going to talk about sex some more.

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And so she, and then she looks over to the

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back of her husband's head and she's like,

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Oh, well I guess he's staying.

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I can't say no to max van side.

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Oh, I mean,

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it's like, no, it would have made so much

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more sense if mom would have been like,

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okay, little Henry.

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And that's when he was ushered out of the

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room and he would have gotten into shenanigans.

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Yeah.

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No,

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but we got to establish all this.

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Freud States that love at Henry's age is

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a powerful and dangerous thing, but they

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all tell him to indulge and express his

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feelings.

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You know, he must just surrender to the

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feelings and you have to let it out.

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Young even says, you must not let the

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castle walls keep you from your love.

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And having no idea that Henry's crush is

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a literal princess inside a castle.

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So yeah, but his fucking father does and

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doesn't say shit.

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He, he's like, I said, he's just checked

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out.

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He's not even in the rest of the scene.

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Was dad like just drunk in a corner?

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Yeah.

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He'd say one too many brandies and he's

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like, oh,

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cause yeah, none of this made sense.

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Only the three old men talking to the

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little boy at this point, even though his

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dad's still in the room, a Freud gets the

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last word in by saying that as far as he's

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concerned, Henry is just being horny on

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main.

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This is all about your burgeoning sexual

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doesn't have fucking pubes yet, but he

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also tells him not to turn away from his

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feelings to deny your love for someone is

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dangerous, dangerous, both to you and to

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the person you love shout out your love

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loud.

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And the other shrinks just agree while

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Dr.

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Jones sits there completely mute, even

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though he actually knows that they're

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telling him, yeah, you need to totally go

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for it with his love of the princess that

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got you in so much trouble at the

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beginning of the episode.

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Fuck him as a dad.

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Well, I mean,

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terrible parents.

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Well, I mean the good news is, I mean,

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you know, Miss Seymour is actually the

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only fucking the most reasonable adult in

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the room, 99 points percent of the time,

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except for with Picasso.

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I mean, in terms of some reason, in terms

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of the audience in Indiana Jones, they

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already knew going in, they had a troubled

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relationship with his dad.

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They did a bang up job of just showing

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why even though apparently there is an

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episode coming out where we see the dad

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and son bond and we'll see how that goes.

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But cut to nighttime in Vienna.

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Henry was run screaming to the palace

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gates where he is, he goes climbing up

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like 10 feet up the gate and where he is

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threatened by gunpoint and by angry dogs.

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The German Shepherds on one side and a

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dude with a rifle is on the other, but he

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hangs on the gate and just fucking dares

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them to shoot him and feed him to the

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dogs.

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Like no, I'm in love.

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He's like, you will not go unless he gets

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to speak to the Archduke personally.

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And amazingly, this actually works.

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I guess they just didn't feel like shooting

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a kid that day.

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Yeah, but they take him all the way up

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and interrupt Archduke Ferdinand's fucking dinner.

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Instead of saying, sure kid, climb down

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and we'll let you see him and then

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immediately just beat the crap out of him

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and throw him in an alley.

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Or a dungeon.

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But instead they just escort him inside.

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The head of household assures Henry that

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the guards would have shot him dead and

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the dogs would have enjoyed crunching his

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little bones and Henry plays it cool.

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I wasn't scared.

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No, he wasn't.

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He's too fucking goddamn dumb to be scared.

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And the guy literally says, you should have

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been, stupid little kid.

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You were dumb.

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So Henry gets his wish, interrupting the

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mustachioed Archduke right at dinner.

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Where he was, by the way, at the fucking

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head of the table.

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Imagine that.

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Where the Archduke would normally expect

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to see an Archduke.

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He asked for permission to ask for the

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princess's hand in marriage when he's older.

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Then he asked if he can just say farewell

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since they're leaving the next day and just

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pours his little heart out with a mix of his

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own feelings and the crap the three crazy

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doctors told him at dinner.

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Yeah.

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And the Archduke is remarkably chill

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about this whole thing.

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He is very fucking chill.

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He should have been in a dungeon awaiting

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the Duke's pleasure after dinner.

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I mean, to give the guy some credit, he does

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not actually in fact give Henry what he wants,

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but he still is super like cool about it to a point.

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He gets a brick wall.

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So he explains that he married his own wife

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against his own father's wishes and he had

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made a pledge that he'd allow his own children

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to marry anyone they want as long as they're

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Austrian and Henry's like, gosh, I guess

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that rules me out.

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Shucks.

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Nice try.

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My daughter's too good for you.

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Fuck right off.

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He's like, I admire your spunk kid.

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Maybe you'll be a good soldier one day, but

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get the hell out of here.

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And the Archduke sends Henry packing with

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no goodbye to the princess and calls for a

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carriage to take Henry back to the American

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embassy and to go to fucking bed.

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Yeah.

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So while Henry rides off in the carriage,

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the Archduke checks in on sleeping Sophie

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who is not sleeping.

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And the moment her dad is gone, she springs

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for the window to see Henry's carriage

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slipping through the gates going away.

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But this is Indiana Jones.

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Now, funny enough, I actually rewatch this

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episode as like, well, we were running the

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kids around this morning.

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So my eight year old son was watching this

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and this was the point where he predicted.

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He was like this.

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He's like, he's just not going to go home.

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He's going to be the fuck of going home now.

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Yeah.

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He's like, he's going to back into that

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castle and he's like, get correct.

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You've been paying attention.

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So that's exactly what he's not going to

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allow some German speaking motherfucker

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to tell him what to do.

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So after he's dropped off, he just sneaks

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right into the trunk of the carriage, which

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just takes him right back into the stables.

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And from here, we get a bunch of threes

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company style hijinks as Henry sneaks

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and hides and

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Oh my God.

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The tiptoeing is the literal tiptoeing

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like a cartoon.

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I mean like the cartoon.

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I mean, he might as well bumping into bumping

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into a bust of somebody on a little stand

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and almost knocking it over.

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So here's the, we're going to follow his

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movement.

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So he's out in the state out of stable

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window into a courtyard upstairs into another

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window.

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And then he spots a dumbwaiter, which he

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climbs into and pulls on the rope to get

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him up to a higher floor, which by the

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way, my husband loved this.

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He was like, dumb waiters are so cool.

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I would have done that.

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Uh, so apparently that's a nine year old

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boy thing that they've wanted.

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Every nine year old boy wants to sneak into

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some rich place with a dumbwaiter.

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So then Henry distracts a sleeping guard

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with a rolling gourd and then he slips into

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a music hall where the Royal family is

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enjoying a lovely orchestral performance.

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It's nice when you just have your own little

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miniature orchestra.

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You can just play you music before you go

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to bed.

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Well, they were obviously having company.

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That's a, I mean, that's a rich people thing

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to have done.

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So yeah, that tracks they're having a music

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hell.

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Yeah.

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So then he sneaks past the archduke and

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fam runs upstairs, almost knocks over a

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bearded, like bust of somebody.

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And then he finds a secret passageway in

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the library.

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And this is also where my son was like, how

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does he know where he's going?

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Yeah.

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It's like, well, my only thing is he did

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see where the princess's room was from the

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outside.

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So maybe he's at least he's got, you know,

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this is Indiana Jones where he's got a good

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job of mentally mapping where he would be

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related to the outside.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he would at least know what floor

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to pyramid and which side of the house, at

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least which way he's trying to go to get

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there.

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And that was my only guess.

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The other thing is just, it's about you.

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It's like, this is, you have to use your

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suspension of disbelief, but it's really bad

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when even the nine year old is like, this

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is bullshit.

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Yeah.

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He should be just wandering around until

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he gets caught.

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Exactly what would have really happened.

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But instead he sneaks in there link style.

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Yeah.

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He just like, he's going through there and

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then he, he finds a secret passageway and

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then he, he sneaks past a couple hooking up

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and as they're getting it on, then he finally

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finds the princess's Royal bed chambers.

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And first there's the, your favorite, uh,

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fear line is his sleeping in the outer thing.

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And there's literally like a chair.

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Locking Sophie inside.

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Like she is a prisoner in there, but he

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just goes over the window.

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There's a shared balcony.

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And then he just hops into Sophie's room

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where she is just sitting up.

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Her lights are all on.

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Yeah.

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She was like, I was hoping you'd come back.

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I was waiting for a little toad person

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to say, sorry, Indiana Jones.

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Your princess is in another castle, but

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no, she's there and she's happy to see him

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instead of being completely horrified.

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Yeah, no.

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And it was almost like she was expecting

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him to was like, I know this fucking kid.

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I happened to be holding this gift

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for you in my hand right now.

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So she declares she has a gift for Henry,

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which they lock it containing her picture

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and a spoiler alert for later on.

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We will see this locket, not only see it

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again, but it will eventually save his life.

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Henry gives Sophie the ice skater

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snow globe and she loves it.

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He promises to write to her and keep writing

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her and he says, no one can take away

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what I feel for you.

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And it's at this moment, Indiana Jones

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gets his first kiss.

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Just a little sweet peck on the lips

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followed by a hug.

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You know that what you would expect

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for a nine year old's first kiss.

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And then Henry climbs down off the balcony,

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makes his way down because it's a lot

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easier to sneak out and sneak in,

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which again, it's like, but how did

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he get through?

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They don't show you how he got through

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the gates.

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Yeah.

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We just see him climb down.

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I mean, the good news is, I guess he

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could just get in the carriage because

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they'd be leaving eventually or just walk

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out to the gate and say, let me out.

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I'm not supposed to be here.

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I don't know.

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We don't see whatever it is at this point.

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Like I said, sneaking out is always

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easier than sneaking in.

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Nobody's looking for people trying to

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get out.

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So we just, you know, it's not, we

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don't need to bother ourselves with that.

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Besides we're literally fading back

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into the 1990s as princess Sophie is

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gazing longingly at the ice skating

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couple in the snow globe.

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Then we hear old Indies voice picking

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up the narration as we transform back

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into the God awful 1990s.

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I guess she never got any of my letters.

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I certainly not never got any from her.

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But then again, the world turned out

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to be a much crueler place than either

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one of us could have imagined at that time.

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And that's when the old eyed bastard

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tests to see if his ploy actually worked.

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I suppose I'm always stuck up in some

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tree trying to save some cat, but that

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doesn't make me crazy.

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Does it?

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I mean, he literally just said, I'm

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always trying to get pussy.

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And Freud was like, told you.

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And, but the psychiatry did once again,

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the, the, the powers of old Indian agenda

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story to hypnotize and charm whoever has

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been listening to him for the last five

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hours and see, and this is where.

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In actuality, instead of gushing all

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over him and telling him how wonderful

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he is and how he's not crazy.

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And this is where she was like, of

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course, you're not crazy as the people

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come in with, they cut, he walks outside

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to order, release, flake him, immediately

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inject him with all the Thorazine, take

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him off to the, to the crazy house.

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Like, yes, this scene, this story told

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me that's clearly bullshit.

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Instead.

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He done one demarked Mark owed her.

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Yep.

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She's like, I don't care that this is

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full of shit.

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I just love you.

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This is great.

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So she, I mean, she has this just beaming

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smile on her face.

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Just Mr.

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Jones, you are neither crazy nor senile

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and I shall write you a letter saying

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just that.

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Don't you worry.

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He was like, great.

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It may scheme has worked again.

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It's confirmed that they've been in

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her office for hours and that she's

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probably blown off like four appointments.

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Well, listen to this old windbag talking

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about, you know, romancing an Austrian

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princess, but his old indie dashes off

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to go talk to someone else's ear.

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She asked the question and you

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were just talking about, did you

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ever see her again?

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And his answer, of course I did, but

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that's another story, the end.

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And it's, here's the spoiler alert.

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The Sophie's locket does come up

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again, but they never produced or even

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hinted at one where she's a character.

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This is the part of the show where

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we go over the historical figures,

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places, lessons, and artifacts featured

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in the episode.

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And boy, do we have some, so first

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person we're going to talk about is

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Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

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Why do we care about him?

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His assassination sparked world war one.

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He was kind of a big deal.

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Had that not happened.

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He might not have been quite such big a deal.

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He was the heir to the Austria,

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Hungarian empire, his assassination

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in Sarajevo in 1914 by a teenager named

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Gabrielle Princep triggered a series

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of events that quickly escalated into

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that whole WW one thing, even though

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we will once again, state our position

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at chainsaw history, that George Washington

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started the actual world war one.

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See our very first episode ever.

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If you want to know how that whole

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thing went down or, or just Google the

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seven years war in terms of how history

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labels things, this is WW one.

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And it all started when he got shot

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while his car stalled in front of

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a sandwich.

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It was the war to end all wars,

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Jamie, and aren't you glad that that

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happened to make the world safe for

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democracy.

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And that was a thing that happened.

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Aren't don't we feel safe.

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Here's a few, you know, quick and dirty

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facts about the archduke in real life.

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Despite being the heir to the empire,

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he was not particularly well loved by

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either the emperor or the court.

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He just like, as talked about in the

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show, he married for love, not status,

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which caused problems because he did

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not want to marry a Habsburg and his

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assassination is often noted for the

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comical series of mishaps and coincidences

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that led it to his death.

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Cause it's like a failed assassination

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attempt that hurt other people.

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And then while he was trying to go to

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the hospital to visit the people who got

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hurt, they got lost.

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Then they had to turn around and then

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got stalled in front of one of the

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failed assassins.

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This 19 year old kids eating a sandwich

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looks up and sees the guy they wanted

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to kill right in front of him in a

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stalled car.

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So it's like, this is great.

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And he pulled out his pistol and shoots

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the guy and his wife and supposedly

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his last words were to his wife to not

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die, to think of the children.

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And then he expired.

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He was passionate about hunting and is

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said to have collected over 300,000

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hunting trophies.

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That's a lot.

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And they're like all supposed to be

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animals.

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He killed her.

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That is a fucking lot.

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It's a lot.

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You're just an animal murderer.

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How do you have time for anything else?

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If you killed hundreds of thousands of

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anything, he had a keen interest in

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architecture and was involved in planning

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several buildings and gardens.

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How?

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While he was hunting?

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Multitask.

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He was on a horse, growing up some

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shit.

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As far as his marriage goes, he married

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Countess Sophie Chotek in 1900.

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And their marriage was considered

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morganatic, more genetic.

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I'm not familiar with the word.

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It means not of equal social rank.

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So this caused a whole stir because she

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was not of royal blood and their children

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were not allowed to inherit the throne,

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which is why he's like, you can marry

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whoever you want.

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They have to be from our country.

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So in their union, which was a one of

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love and not of

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I mean, it was a legit, that's fine.

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Like it was, it was a 20th century actual

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romance story of where they got some of

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those.

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I mean, think about how different World

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War II had been had Edward not succeeded

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the throne, we would have had King Nazi

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sympathizer with just a royal mistress

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instead of him putting his foot down and

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saying, no, I want to marry this bitch.

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But she still would have had a Winston

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Churchill, Winston Churchill.

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Yeah.

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The little minor things of history.

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Sure.

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So their kids are not eligible for the

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throne.

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And those include princess Sophie of

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Hulkenberg, Maximilian Duke of Hulkenberg

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and Prince Ernst of Hulkenberg.

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And despite the controversy surrounding

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their marriage, the family was known to

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be close knit and loving.

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And like I said, the dude's last words

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were about his children and not wanting

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his wife to die.

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He legit loved his family.

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Which is all fine.

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So that's basically, that's, that's the

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Archduke.

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And then like I said, but the most

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important thing about him is he died and

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then the world was plunged into a goddamn

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nightmare.

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Like so many people died just because he

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died.

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And of course, next on his list is his

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daughter, Princess Sophie, the object of

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little Indies affections.

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We'll see if she comes back.

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And the, we'll see if I'm right or wrong

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on that one.

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Really, she's only important for being

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the daughter of the Archduke, but here's

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a few things about her.

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She was just, her whole life was shadowed

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by the fact that World War I was started

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by the death of her parents.

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She was only 14 when her parents died.

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And then she and her siblings were taken

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in by their uncle and aunt, the prince

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and princess of Von Hulkenberg.

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And despite her Royal lineage, her life

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was relatively quiet and removed from the

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political spotlight.

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Just due to the marriage of her parents,

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she wasn't even eligible for anything.

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And the whole landscape changed very

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drastically during the course of the war.

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Anyway.

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Yeah.

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I mean, at that point, it'd be like,

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I would like to lay as low as humanly

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possible.

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Thank you very much.

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And she later married Count Friedrich

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Von Notzertreineck and had children

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continuing her lineage, despite the tragic

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early loss of her parents.

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Now, as far as her family goes, they had

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those four children.

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World War II, the family was, had some

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issues, we'll say.

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They were arrested in 1945 and interned

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in concentration camps by the German

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Gestapo, but they survived.

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And they, but the experience left this

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really profound impact on them all.

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Well, yeah, as it does.

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And then after the war, the family's

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properties in Czechoslovakia were

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confiscated.

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It's nationalized the property of all

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Germans at the conclusion of the war, all

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Germans, Hungarians, and traitors.

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The family was left without their ancestral

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estates and basically spent her later

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years in obscurity, just not having much

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to do.

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She died in 1990, having outlived just

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about everybody that had been around for

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World War I.

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Good for herish question mark.

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And now we'll get...

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I mean, I hope she wasn't like, having

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your property confiscated, I hope she

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didn't like, I'm sure she still didn't

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live in poverty.

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No, she was, I mean, she was a little rich

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girl who married a, you know, rich dude.

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And, but then yeah, throwing the

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concentration camp, had all their shit

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seized, definitely had her fortunes change,

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but she doesn't seem like she would,

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there's nothing about her being either

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a particularly good or bad person.

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She just was a person, had some shit.

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Happened to her.

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And now onto the whole point where George

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Lucas at one point wrote, scribbled on

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a napkin, Indiana Jones meets Sigmund

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Freud.

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And so we'll talk about Sigmund Freud as

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portrayed by Max von Sydow, once again,

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not doing any work to sound anything like

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Sigmund Freud.

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He's like, all I gotta do is smoke a

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cigar and be awesome.

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And he did, but the historical Freud,

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historical Freud known as being the founder

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of psychoanalysis.

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He was an Austrian neurologist who became

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known as, you know, except the founding

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father's psychoanalysis.

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And it's that whole, that whole basic

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idea of you talk the patient and the

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psychoanalyst go back and forth.

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And then the theories of the unconscious

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mind, the, the, the ego, the super ego

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and the significance of dreams had a lot

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of influence on modern psychiatry and

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psychology.

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Well, yeah, but his biggest thing is

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everyone's in love with your parent.

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You will all want to fuck your parents.

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And most of the world rejects that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's what the truth is.

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Most of Freud's stuff.

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He's super influential, but not like

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nobody, nobody in the practice of

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psychology or psychiatry these days goes

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by Freudian analysis or techniques or

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anything.

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He's no, it's just something that you

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learn about.

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And the more you learn about him, he's,

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you're just like, wow, he projected a

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lot on other people.

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He was an absolute trailblazer, but at

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the same time he did, he, he broke the

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ground so that other people could figure

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out the stuff without all of his weird

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things.

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Now he was originally a neurologist and

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only later moved on to the field of

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psychology.

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I want to say his daughter was a

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groundbreaking child psychologist, but I

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could be wrong on that one.

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He was prolific writer and numerous books

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and papers.

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As you say, he's the one who developed

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the famous Oedipus complex that, that

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children are reacting to unconscious

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desires and that's also the idea of that.

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You're drawn to people who somehow remind

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you of qualities of your, you know,

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which is, that's different.

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Yeah, that's a little, a little different

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than when saying you want to deep down,

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you want like, you know, Oedipus, you

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want to kill your father and marry your

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mother if you're a guy, shit like that.

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All right.

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So despite his influential theories, you

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know, lots of debate and eventual rejection

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of a lot of that kind of stuff.

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He was an avid cigar smoker, which he

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always said enhanced his productivity

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and creativity, which, you know, nicotine

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is a neurotropic, but it has some downsides,

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which for Freud, it was cancer of the jaw.

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He had 30 surgeries over the course of

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16 years on his face and that had to suck.

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Yeah, especially at that time period

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had to suck even more.

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Uh, another thing he was very fond of

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besides nicotine was the cocaine.

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He was a enthusiastic advocate of cocaine

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and my head cannon.

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He had done at least five lines before

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the scene we watched him in.

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Well, I mean, if you're having all those

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fucking, like any kind of surgery on your

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face, they used cocaine.

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So that also tracks.

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Yeah.

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Well, he'd already been an enthusiast for

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a long time before he'd written a paper

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called Uber coca extolling its virtues.

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Freud used cocaine himself and prescribed

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it to friends, families, and patients, uh,

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before the negative side effects of the

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substance were widely recognized at one

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point, I know he'd wrote a brother, his

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brother saying that that's how he overcame

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his stage fright was that he found that

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if he did a couple of lines before he

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went out, he could talk for hours and

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not feel self-conscious even a little bit.

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Yeah.

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You know, a hundred percent tracks.

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If you've ever been stuck with the coke

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head at a party, Freud had a fear of

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ferns and a legitimate fear of shrubbery,

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like a legitimate phobia of ferns.

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He had an aversion to the number 62.

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This fear was so intense.

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He avoided booking a room in any hotel

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with more than 62 rooms for fear that

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he might be assigned that number.

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So once again, this dude had afraid of

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62, all about a 69 gotcha.

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But one thing he has in common with

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Indiana Jones was he loved antiquities

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and collecting them.

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So he had a number of artifacts from

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Egypt, Greece, Rome, and other ancient

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civilizations and his office and homes

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were just filled with this.

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Which, uh, you know, some were thought

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were helpful and integral to the process

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of him developing his psychoanalytic

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theories is by looking at all these cultures

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and you know, what things are in common

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with symbols and, and literature and

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art and that kind of shit.

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Uh, he died at the age of 83, uh, facing

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unbearable pain and diminishing returns

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from the whole cancer of the jaw treatment.

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Freud asked his doctor to end his life.

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So he actually died from a doctor

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assisted morphine overdose in London

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on September 23rd, 1939.

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Wow.

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That is nice.

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That's progressive.

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He got Kevorkian.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I'm all for it.

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Especially you're miserable and you're

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just like, dude, you spent a dozen and

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a half years getting your face carved

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up just to still be sick.

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And you're just in pain, miserable

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all the time.

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Yeah.

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Give me that morphine overdose.

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Pretty please.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, yeah, Freud weirdo died in pain.

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Uh, next guy, Carl Jung.

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He historically figured he was a pioneer

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of analytical psychology.

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And I can tell you this as a later

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literature guy, Carl Jung, incredibly

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influential and of course, super

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influential on George Lucas himself.

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Uh, because he had all these theories

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of the collective unconscious and

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symbols that were important to lots

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of, uh, cultures and storytelling

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traditions.

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So between Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell,

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the like George Lucas pulled a lot of

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stuff that he used for star Wars and

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stuff like that.

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I was correct.

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Sorry.

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I remembered her name.

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Don't you love it when you're just

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like going along with your, with a

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trail of thought, but yeah, no.

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Anna Freud.

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She was a child psychologist.

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Cool.

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I didn't look into any British

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psychoanalyst and Sigmund Freud's

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daughter.

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I remember that.

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Yay.

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Things from college stuck.

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Nice.

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Look, it wasn't money.

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Totally wasted.

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And then back to Carl Jung.

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All right.

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So interesting facts.

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He fell out with Freud, just like

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in the dinner scene where he's

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like, please Sigmund.

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Like they literally had some

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problems and eventually broke

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away because Carl Jung was just

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not cool with all the emphasis on

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sex.

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Well that, and it's like, could

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you please not talk about fucking

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your mom all the time?

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Could we have a different

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conversation with Carl Jung on

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this?

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She's been dead.

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Get over it, Freud.

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Yeah.

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He Jung did some exploration of

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Eastern philosophy.

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So he embraced and very

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progressive in the idea of

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looking beyond the whole

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Western European medicine

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traditions.

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And he also developed the

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concept of synchronicity, the

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principle of casual

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relationships, suggesting that

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events are meaningful

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coincidences if they occur with

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no casual relationship yet seem

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meaningful related.

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So it's like about bringing

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meaning to things.

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He went on like a deep period of

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personal crisis after his break

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with Freud.

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And then he later called that

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his confrontation with the

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unconscious.

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This period was crucial.

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So he had to break away from

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Freud in order to like get his

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own theories out there.

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But like I said, he like in

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terms of his influence, it goes

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even beyond psychology,

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spirituality, literature, even

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pop culture.

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Like we get the terms extrovert

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and introvert and everyday

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language come from Carl Jung and

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our basic understanding of those

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ideas.

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Yeah.

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Carl Jung, not as much of a

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weirdo as Freud.

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Not as obviously problematic.

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Next up was the quiet guy at

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the party, Alfred Adler.

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He was the founder of

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individual psychology.

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He was an Austrian medical

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doctor and psychotherapist,

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which emphasize the importance

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of feelings of inferiority

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and the striving for

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superiority as motivating

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forces.

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So it's like you're trying to

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overcome your imposter

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syndrome and gain your

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confidence in whatever you're

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trying to do.

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He is where we get the term

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inferiority complex is from

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Alfred Adler, just like young

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Adler broke with Freud for

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being a sex obsessed weirdo

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Adler emphasize social factors

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and individual agency.

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He also introduced the concept

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of allow me to try to pronounce

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this and completely fail

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Geiminschlagenfugl.

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That's a hundred percent not

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what that word is often

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translated as community

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feelings or social interest

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emphasizing the importance of

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societal contribution and

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connecting this in personal

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development.

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So that idea of when you feel

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like you're part of the

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community and responsible for

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it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean that's the that's

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that's a sense of community.

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It helps give you a sense of

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self-worth and that can

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contribute to you as a whole

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human being.

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He also did one that we again

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not nearly as much of a

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fucking weirdo as Freud.

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He's also the reason why you

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got accused of middle child

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syndrome your whole life

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because he's the one who came

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up with birth order theory in

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terms of how siblings develop

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and you know multi-child

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families which is like a

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thing I at least to a point

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believe in.

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I read about it and it held up.

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Well I mean there is a lot of

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theories that hold up and

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again it's and depending on

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what kind of it's like a

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middle child syndrome is

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there's several different

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kinds of what you'd be

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considered the middle child.

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So it's a bit different.

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And one reason you might like

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him though is he was an early

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feminist.

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He was very progressive

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advocating for gender equality

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and recognizing the impact of

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gender roles on mental health.

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So he was pretty groovy as far

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as that goes.

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And he believed in a holistic

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approach to understanding

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individuals so that you could

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you can't just say it's all

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about sex or all about any one

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thing.

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You have to get in there and

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figure out everything about

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them that every person thing

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going on.

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Yeah.

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So obviously out of all three

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of those guys Adler seems like

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the even though there's stuff

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to learn from all of them

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Adler's stuff seems to have

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held up the most.

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Yeah.

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He wasn't trying to be like he

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also wasn't trying to project

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anything onto anybody else.

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I think Freud like he he got he

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was willing to be controversial

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and he realized that's how he

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was.

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I mean there's a reason why

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he's the legend because

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obviously his sensationalized

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stuff like he leaned into it.

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It made him more famous.

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Yeah.

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By being by being a fucking

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weird renegade.

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All right.

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So now we're going to shift to

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literature in the form of

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poetry.

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There was that little that

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poem that Miss Seymour made

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little Henry read in the

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beginning I find no peace by

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Sir Thomas Wyatt.

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I find no peace and all my war

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is done.

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I fear and hope I burn and

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freeze like ice.

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I fly above the wind yet I

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cannot arise and not I have and

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all this world I seize on that

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lose it nor locketh hold of me

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in prison and hold of me not

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yet I can scape no wise nor

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leadeth me live nor die at my

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device and yet death it given

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me occasion without I and I

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see and without tongue I plain

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I desire to perish and yet I

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health I love another and thus

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I hate myself I feed me in

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sorrow and laugh and all my

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pain likewise displeath me in

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both life and death and my

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delight is the causer of this

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strife the one I love is the

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one causing me all this pain.

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Oh it sucks to be in love.

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This is the introduction of

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the sonnet form of poetry to

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the English language.

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Shakespeare would not have had

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it to use later weren't it not

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for Wyatt.

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He was I wasn't familiar with

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that one at all.

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I didn't remember it even though

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I'm sure at some point as part

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of my whole English degree we

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went over it as it's a big piece

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but the truth was I didn't and

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I came to appreciate poetry a

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little bit later I kind of was

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resistant to it even through

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college.

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It's so funny see I loved

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poetry was something I loved in

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high school and throughout

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early college and then it was

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just one of those things that

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was let go with time.

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I think for me it was just part

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of my own ego because I am a

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good writer but I'm a lousy

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poet like I can do free verse

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I'm really good with prose but

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I can't do verse I suck at it.

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I have friends who are really

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good but I was decent at poetry

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I couldn't I can't write for

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shit but poetry was the actual

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one form of writing and

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expression that I was decent at

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yeah like other stuff came easy

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to me I'm friends with some

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really gifted poets you can't

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rhyme you can't pro oh I mean I

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can't handle the rules I need to

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I need no boundaries.

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So anyway Sir Thomas Wyatt was a

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16th century poet and diplomat

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usually credited with

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introducing the sonnet and was

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in the court of Henry the eighth

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known for lyrical poetry

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reflecting his both personal

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experiences and the complexity

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of court life and I find

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no peace is one of his most

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famous poems and his skill in

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adapting the sonnet form into

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English because there was this

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this was a the style the sonnet

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did exist just not in English

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before this point and it's like

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an English translation or an

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adaptation of Pertruch sonnet

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134 for people who are into

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checking that out.

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Let's get to another poem and

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this is the one he found

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himself which was Love's

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Philosophy by Percy Shelley and

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this one I had this one I was

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familiar with too the fountains

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mingle with the river and the

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rivers with the ocean the winds

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of heaven mix forever with a

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sweet emotion nothing in the

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world is single all things by a

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law divine in one spirit meet

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and mingle why not I with thine

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see the mountains kiss high

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heaven and the waves class one

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another no sister flower would

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be forgiven if it disdained its

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brother and the sunlight clasp

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the earth and the moonbeams

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kiss the sea what is all this

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sweet work worth if thou kiss

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not me Percy Bish Shelley was

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one of the major English

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romantic poets renowned for his

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powerful use of imagery and

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themes often centered on beauty

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nature political idealism and

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the human condition I did like

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how a little Henry asked he was

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like you know this and she just

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looked at him she goes of course

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course like of course you dumb

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child well I think it's the idea

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that anything was my book

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anything about feelings and

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romance seem foreign out of Miss

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Seymour's mouth his work is

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marked by a deep engagement

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with philosophy ethics and a

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quest for personal and societal

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freedom and of course he married

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to Mary Shelley author of

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Frankenstein and creator of

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science fiction yelp yelp who

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rocks in her own right but

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loves philosophy is one of

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Shelley's more accessible and

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lyrical poems and illustrates

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his adeptness at infusing

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philosophical ideas into

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compact eloquent verse next up

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we're going to talk about that

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painting real quick the kiss by

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Gustav Klimt so you see paint

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that there was this painting

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that Henry's ran at the street

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and so he looks at longingly

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when he was first ejected from

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Belvedere Palace it's a very

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interesting painting which why

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it was just randomly tacked on a

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wall again it's I think these

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are just like George Lucas had

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like a list of shit that had to

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be in the episode then he made

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the writer just go for it it's

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like because it wasn't in the

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palace it wasn't anywhere it

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was literally just he was

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walking by and it was tacked on

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a wall and it was why so the

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original title of this painting

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was The Lovers or Das Libespar I

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think we're probably not because

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I speak no German when it was a

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new work being shown in Vienna

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as part of this exhibition 1908

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so the painting would have been

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in town at this time yeah

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showcased in Vienna in 1908

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immediately gathered admiration

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of viewers and critics alike so

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1908 marked the zenith of

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Klimt's golden phase during

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which he completed the kiss this

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whole phase used a lot of gold

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leaf which became a whole

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hallmark of his style and the

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painting's completion and

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immediate purchase by Austria's

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government highlights its

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importance like this was

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snatched up right away the

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Austrian government recognized

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this as a historically

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significant thing so you know

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it was exhibited purchased on

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the first day for 25,000

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crowns which would be the

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equivalent in today's money of

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$185,000 so this guy was doing

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good he was not the starving

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artists we saw in the previous

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episode this was the real

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fucking deal he wasn't pulling

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oranges out of dumpsters art

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historians have speculated that

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the figures in the painting

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might be Klimt and his then

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girlfriend Emily Flogge again

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mispronounced the true identity

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remains the subject of debate

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for art nerds but it's

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influenced by Japanese mosaics

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where he's like pulling in

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these very different style than

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you'd expect so it has a little

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bit more of Eastern influence

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painting is big it measured

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almost six by six feet so it's

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like this imposing thing with

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like almost human sized figures

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in it wow so it wasn't just a

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poster on a wall not at all and

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in fact would have been it was

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bought up by the crown and is

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exhibited in Belvedere Palace

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and the whole it's it's it's

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put up in this way supposedly

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where it's like not meant to be

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walked past but you would go and

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stare at this painting for half

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an hour yeah it probably had its

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own little gallery yep and this

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is fine art does so anything

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else I want to say according to

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art historian Franz Smola the

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kiss resonates across

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generations embodying universal

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feelings of love and tenderness

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it's enduring appeal lies in its

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ability to connect with viewers

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on an emotional level you look

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at that and say yes I know what

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it's like to be held and kissed

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or other way around next we have

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Mrs. Jones sings a little song

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to Henry to get him to put the

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poetry book down and go to

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sleep it was a song first

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printed in 1884 the song is

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called I'll give you a paper of

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pins and sorry yeah she is using

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the lyrics that were first

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printed in the 1884 edition of

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the song which is like just a

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little love song it's the

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mileage in this section we

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examine the development of

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Henry Jones Jr. into the man he

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will one day become so let's

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just break it down kind of

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through the episode what have we

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learned today first thing we

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learned is old man in the

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declares that he doesn't like

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cats he said he was never fond

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of cats but at this point he's

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established burning hatred for

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getting him stuck in a tree so a

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fire department had to rescue

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him and once again remember the

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story of the comic book it was

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his own cat named Henry okey

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dokey which he should have told

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his psychiatrist because that's

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kind of fucked yeah I don't be

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like me naming my my cat James

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I mean if nothing else if she

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had been a truce she should

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have been like okay you need to

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come in you have well this is

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proof that old man Indian Jones

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is magic like like apparently

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one of the artifacts he is like

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if you tell a story it will

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hypnotize and charm anyone who

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listens to you for more than 10

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minutes and it works every time

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which is funny because it almost

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seems like outside of a

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classroom Indiana Jones was

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almost a man of few words no

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that thing old Indiana Jones has

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zero personality in common with

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the younger version of himself

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or any version of them we've now

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witnessed all that the other

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Jones you cannot get much older

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than the actual Harrison the

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only way to make this work is

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that sometime the 1990s a crazy

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old man just claimed to be

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Indiana Jones and his family

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kept trying to have him

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committed so horseback riding

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or the child scene opens with

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Henry getting literally

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professional instruction we

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seen I mean even from the first

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movie Raiders of the Lost Ark

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that he is a very accomplished

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horseman so we literally see oh

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he's leading royal writing

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instructions from the same

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person you know who's training

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the princess and he was already

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doing heroic little things like

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scooping up a hat which was a

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dangerous maneuver that's a

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good way to get kicked in the

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face by a horse we also see he

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was learning the German

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language he had a basic

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conversational German even

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though the princess told him

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straight up that his German

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sucked yeah and he's really only

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spoke it at the very beginning

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of the episode and then magically

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everyone else just spoke

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English well no he did speak

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German and the street hustling

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scene there's a few times

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scattered throughout the episode

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now the one thing we didn't

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really talk about was during

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the Freud scene and I and I

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guess the only thing we can say

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is that they were good guests

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so that they decided all speak

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English in the American Embassy

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because that's where they were

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having dinner but it's like

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these three all three of these

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German dudes are just having

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arguments back and forth in

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English and long discussions in

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English and it's like yeah they

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were in the American Embassy and

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they were talking to a nine year

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old American kid but it was

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still just very weird they're

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all supposed to be German or

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Austrian and then you know like

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Sigmund Freud didn't even like

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once again Max von Sider did

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not try to do a German accent of

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any kind he's just like I'm

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going to talk like myself

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powerful and commanding I'm

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going to smoke a cigar and talk

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about how you want to fuck your

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mom yeah and instead of like

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let's go little Henry mom was

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just like you know what I'm

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leaving yeah I'm just done I

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need it I need to drink myself

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to sleep yeah he's not great at

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German yet but she didn't after

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that they went to the opera

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again we're continuing to

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reinforce the fact that if he

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is told not to do something he

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has a pathological need to

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break the rules now he cannot

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sleep at night unless he has

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done something that his parent

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or some other authority figure

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told him not to do which is all

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he does this whole episode is

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disobey everyone and it's like

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and this is after this got him

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and his buddy Omar captured

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yeah and it makes no fucking

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sense well now he's like I

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refuse to learn lessons no

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someone should have done

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something about this this boy

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at some point we do see he knows

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how to ice skate but definitely

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not great just average nine year

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old in a nice skating rink he

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did a couple little tricks and

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he helped her up he was skating

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backwards yeah he was fine we

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witnessed the little parental

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trauma where his father says you

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have brought shame on us all in

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your country while his mother

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just sits there doesn't say

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shit you and your but we've

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established you're in agreement

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with Dr. Jones here and I'm

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like that may be just a slight

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thing for going ice skating

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with a little girl no but at

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the same time it's like over

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and over and over again he is

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told to do something and he

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just goddamn won't do it junior

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you remember the brown face

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that was bad I mean at this

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point he's obviously not fucking

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beaten enough but again not a

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fear that man anymore but again

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he might have at the beginning

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of this journey he no longer has

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fear of literal anything

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including being that's what I'm

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saying it's pathological he can't

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help himself he's damaged he

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needs help yeah so the

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psychiatrist shouldn't have let

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him go but hand in hand is his

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determination which you know is

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Indiana Jones throughout ever

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since we first met him was that

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he would like a pit bull getting

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its jaws around something the

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moment Indiana Jones sets a

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goal in mind he will get shot

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beaten intimidated tortured

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thrown in dungeons he will not

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Carol keep going and in this

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episode it is a kiss from a

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princess that he wants and even

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though he he literally is like

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risking getting chewed up by

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dogs shot like snipers but he's

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like no I must give this little

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girl the snow globe which again

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he could have just fucking

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mailed because at that point

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they were able to exchange

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letters 100% it wasn't until he

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like demanded entrance to the

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fucking palace well and in like

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look Carl Jung told him not to

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let the castle walls keep him

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out and he's going to do what

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Carl Jung says he was the second

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most famous person in this

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episode but once again pure

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determination that's I think

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also pathological Indiana Jones

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kinetic he knows that he's he

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will die one way again he's

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already brought shame to his

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family in his country he should

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have been on a fucking tight

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leash the rest of the time he

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was in Vienna and they're just

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he was able to sneak out no

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problem they didn't even bother

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telling us how he snuck out or

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how he what if we got in trouble

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when he came back but they just

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like at this point we just

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accept that he's always going to

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get out of wherever he's being

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held the poetry that he's learned

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lead poetry if she learns as he

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says he's like I didn't know

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poetry was about anything girly

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well I mean he's nine and what

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kind of poetry were you reading

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at nine I mean roses are red

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violet they're blue ice I mean

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there is I mean I don't know

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when Shel Silverstein started

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writing later than much much

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much later than this so I

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couldn't fucking tell you next

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up on this skill is street

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hustling like he literally knew

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he's like this is a truck he's

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like I'm in America this

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bullshit and he uses it to

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immediately get himself a score

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of some cash he doesn't care

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about money but he needed it at

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that point to get his little

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gift and then there was the

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whole dueling psychology scene

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so it's really hard to know what

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he got out of the whole

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conversation other than the

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immediate like oh I should I

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need to break into the castle

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in order to express my love to

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the princess but he heard a lot

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of conflicting ideas as these

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old men bickered and

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apparently he should have he

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learned that he wanted to fuck

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his mom thankfully enough he

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doesn't seem to have absorbed

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that part of it even though

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here's the thing like the fact

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that his mother did leave him

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by dying and and then maybe

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one thing he picked up on Freud

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because he's like all love is

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based on the need for sexual

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gratification and then the

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whole thing was like his

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abandonment with his mom because

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and think about it he gets his

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kiss he gives the gift and then

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he fucks off to another town

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which is what Indiana Jones

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does with every single girl

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from here on out I mean yes

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later on in the alternate

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timeline he reunites with

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Marion and you know but even

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then only when he's old and

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even then they break up and

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have to get back together it's

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a rough one and this very but

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this old version of Indiana

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Jones like that never even

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happened like eventually he's

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married somebody had some kids

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but had some kids but like up

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until then he was a constant

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love him and leave him kind of

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guy we're about this is the

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first of many kisses and or

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more than kisses that he gets

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for he fucks off to the next

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but what about butch and if

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nothing else but the scene with

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a psychiatrist the psychiatrist

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to show little Henry's you

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know intellectual curiosity and

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the fact that he's just totally

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willing to jump in and talk to

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people he should be intimidated

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by and say okay let's I'm going

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to get these guys to tell me

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what's up next up guts I mean

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you cannot once again it may be

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pathological but he's a brave

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kid he's like yep at this point

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having been you know he's not

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brave he's just he's had a

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mummy fall on him he's been

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part of a murder investigation

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he's been shot at he's not

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afraid watch his family almost

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get ripped apart by opera

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composer and so this point he's

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like what the fuck dog into

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slavery dogs guns are not going

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to scare me so he just climbs up

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and starts screaming I wasn't

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scared and I believe him then

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yeah it's like at this point

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I'm clearly invincible the plot

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armor is strong again we see his

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breaking and entering skills are

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on full display here where he

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said he threes companies his way

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through the whole palace

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sneaking behind people doing

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literally the exaggerated

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tiptoes as the little kid looks

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like a Scooby dude throughout

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the whole fucking the palace

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there should have been a scene

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where he's like running in one

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door as the guards chase him and

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he pops out a different door

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over and over again and they

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run into each other and run back

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I mean I had to have been cut

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for time and this is not the

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last time he breaks into a

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German castle we see this and

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here's the funny thing too I

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think I forgot to mention you

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see at one point he's tiptoeing

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through and then in the next

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scene after he gets done with

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the musical he is bounding up

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the stairs as loudly as fucking

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possible you could hear it

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echoing throughout the I mean he

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wasn't trying to be quiet or he

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was just loud as fuck you could

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literally hear out the it

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echoing on the walls so it was

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the inconsistencies of him even

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trying to get through the palace

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was stupid but whatever but it

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worked of course it did because

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we live that's the dumbest

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timeline it's not even a real

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one and that's how he snuck his

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way to get what is now

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canonically our Indiana Jones's

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first love so he feels romantic

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love for the first time even

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though it's weird and like I

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said I think I agree that this

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feels like a story that should

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be written for like a 12 or 13

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year old yeah the one is right

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at puberty when you're getting

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all those super charge hormones

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and confusing feelings and you

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really do feel like this person

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you met is the center of the

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world you're going to die

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without them for a nine year

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old it's very weird it's weird

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but he's precocious what are we

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going to do he's just he's an

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early developer he started

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being horny and yeah he's horny

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at night that's what Freud said

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and he gets his first little

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kiss only to leave town and

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never see the chick again and

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establishing a very clear

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pattern that we're going to see

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again and again so yeah we'll

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see him fall in love it'll be

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great and even seem like things

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are great at the end of the

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story and then next time you're

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like well that clearly didn't

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work out because we never saw

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her again and I guess that's

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where we leave Indiana Jones

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this week thank you listeners

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I just wrote funny joke good

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job Jamie insert funny insert

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funny joke here now we everyone

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should take their own lessons

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from young Henry and doctors

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Freud Adler and Jung the only

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fucking lessons you should take

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from this is be a better goddamn

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parent do not let the castle

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walls keep you out from the one

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you love scream your love out

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loud no matter how inappropriate

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it is no matter how many times

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you'll be shot yet now however

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once again I will say this

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canonically we will see later on

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that his that this adventure

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literally saves his life because

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the locket from Princess Sophie

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stops a goddamn bullet in World

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War One later on in his life

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well that that works out so if

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nothing else he's literally alive

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because he scored this kiss from

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this little girl there you go

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that's why you have to do it do

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not let society keep you from

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expressing your love reading

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poetry and screaming no if you

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have a horny nine-year-old you

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really need to lay them in

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therapy that maybe change their

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food they have too many hormones

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in it well he's traveling all

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over the place something is

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wrong with your nine-year-old if

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there's like I really do a

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better job locking up your kids

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I mean truly don't let them

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roam the streets of Vienna at

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night or just don't let your

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kids roam the streets they need

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to chaperone this child more

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obviously they need to get him

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someone who can keep up with

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them Miss Seymour it's like and

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now she's too easy to ditch and

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now we have to see where we

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go next I think next week Bambi

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is when we get a Roosevelt or

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at least next episode or he

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Teddy meets Teddy Roosevelt and

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also I know there's an episode

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coming up where they get both

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he Indian his mom horribly sick

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I think they're in China for

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that one and then I think we're

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done I think we've I think we're

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done with little kid Indy we're

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gonna take an adventure on the

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Titanic before we jump ahead and

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finally find out what happens

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when when Henry tracks down the

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killer from the from the very

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beginning yeah he's got to find

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a jackal yeah so thank you to

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the listeners and thank you to

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