In this episode of The One Small Change Podcast, host Yvonne McCoy sits down with special guest, Stefanie Trenholme, to dive into the power of small adjustments—particularly the role of structure and routine—in shaping both personal growth and lasting success. From making the leap to entrepreneurship as a speech-language pathologist to guiding kids and adults alike through learning challenges, our guest shares how routines not only build stability but spark transformation. Listen in for actionable strategies that entrepreneurs and parents can use to implement beneficial habits, support different learning styles, and create a more predictable—and fulfilling—path to their goals.

Guest Bio:

Stefanie Trenholme is a Los Angeles-based speech-language pathologist with extensive experience running her own private practice. Formerly the head of a speech department, she specializes in helping children with communication and learning challenges and is also the author of a children’s book series focused on routines and language development. Passionate about integrating structure into daily life, Stefanie coaches families on the value of predictability and teaches entrepreneurs how to harness routines for greater confidence, effectiveness, and growth.

Chapters:

00:00 Transitioning to Self-Employed Speech Therapy

03:21 Balancing Structure and Flexibility

08:06 Daily Sales Introduction Practice

10:22 Adapting Communication Styles

14:55 Multimodal Learning Preferences

16:45 "Entrepreneurial Learning and Sharing"

21:46 "Don't Delay Networking Connections"

25:42 Boosting Language Through Routines

29:53 Pandemic-Inspired Children's Book Journey

32:46 Embrace Change with Courage

Quote from Guest:

“Structure is really good. The routines are very good. Understand the flexibility, and I think we actually touched on a very important point that when dealing with others in business, to really take in mind, you know, their various learning styles. And even if you're one, somebody else may not be, and you may wanna try to incorporate all learning styles when dealing with people.”

Links:

Stefanie’s website, littlelolafrenchie.com, offers resources for parents on boosting language through daily routines and details about her children’s books, which are rich in practical routines and easy-to-apply vocabulary tips.

Welcome to the One Small Change. I'm thrilled that you're taking time out of your

schedule to spend some time with me to explore and

see how we can help you transform. I'm your host, Yvonne

McCoy, and I bring almost thirty years of entrepreneurial experience

and a passion for discovering growth through the power of

seemingly small change. So again, thank you for joining

me. And this week I have a special guest who's got some

interesting insights for you, Stephanie Trimholm.

That's not right. Say say your last name the right way.

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is kinetically not great for everybody. Don't worry.

But we want people to know when they hear your name, who you

are. So, Stephanie Yes.

The purpose of this is what was a small change

that seemed like it was small at the time that had an

unexpected impact on you and helped you to transform and help

you to do what you do now? Probably when I

started my own business. I used to run a speech

department here in Los Angeles. I'm a speech language pathologist, and I

had been running a department in, you know, training

CFs, which are clinical fellows who are going through the licensing program

and or the licensing process rather. And I

decided to try to open up my own practice. And

as nervous as I was to do it, it's proved to be very successful.

So I was glad that I did that little adjustment to no longer

work for somebody else, but to work for myself. But for

instance, when you did that, there was something that

you felt you could deliver in a private practice that you couldn't

when you were working in corporate that that steered you towards

helping people with problems. Right? Well, I worked with

a a clinic that was doing speech therapy. So even though

I was running the speech department and I was taking care of a bunch

of speech language pathologists and training, I was seeing my own case load.

But it's very different when you work for somebody else

versus working for yourself.

And, while I did learn a lot at the company

that I was at, and it gave me a lot of, you know, experience

and confidence to be able to spread my wings and go on my

own, there's really something to be said for working for

yourself. I mean, it's scary because you're taking on a whole lot of different

responsibilities and everything falls onto you. But

if you have, you know, the right personality and the dedication, it can be

wildly successful and very fulfilling. Well, one of

the things that we talked about, I think that that, you know,

we kinda hooked up with is

how structure and routine can help your life.

And I think for entrepreneurs, they're especially

if they're in the spiritual realm. Right? They're

like, I'm going to, you know, go with my gut.

I'm gonna decide something different. And if you're doing something else,

you have the shiny, you know, object syndrome. And so you're, like,

doing like this. And routine seems

like the last thing that you wanna do, but it's really what you need.

Well, you do because, I mean, having your own

business, you have to have some more sort of structure and routine

because, you know, for example, in my own company, I have to be able to

do my billing, doing my notes, organizing reports,

talking to different kinds of professionals, that

are seeing also the children that I see. I mean,

while, yeah, there is some sort of flexibility,

and we had talked about how, you know, I may have a therapy session

planned in my mind to see a kid, and the kid arrives and they don't

wanna do what kind of I've planned out. I have to be very flexible and,

you know, adapt and try to still get my goals with something that they wanna

do, but I can't run a practice doing that every single day. I would

not be successful. I would not be meeting my kids' goals,

and I wouldn't have been in business for as long as I have if I

was just very, you know, easygoing

and flying by the seat of my pants. I mean, how would I be able

to submit bills or paperwork or, you know, show up for meetings

for IEPs for kids? I mean, there has to be some level of

structure. Well, not only that. You're talking about

kind of tangible structure. Mhmm. And I think

that structure also comes in the form of

mindset. So one of the things that I teach is, what is your vision?

And I call that dead reckoning. What is the thing that you're always aiming

for? Because you have to adjust and adapt. You

always do. It's kind of the the term dead reckoning comes from an old

sailing term that you pick a point on the shore that you're always going

to even if you have to tack and get on weed with those.

Going that way. Right. You're still headed in that direction. So I think

there are I think a lot of people think of structure and

organization, that kind of thing, as being only

the task that you're doing, but it also is your

mindset. You have to have some kind of idea

because that impacts that impacts the

quality of the work you do. It impacts who you work

with. It impacts you know, it keeps you from that

shiny object syndrome because you could say, I'm headed here. I don't

need to go over there. Right? Right. And so,

you know, the one of the reasons I think that that I asked you about

this is because you talked about children with,

learning disabilities. Right? And I

think that there are probable well, first of all, as I

said to you, my philosophy is that you can't divide yourself in half.

You can't, you know, be an entrepreneur, turn off the switch and then be a

person, kind of. And so

if you can deal with any of those kinds of learning

situations, whether it's you as an adult or help

your children or, you know, when you're communicating with other people,

I think it's really helpful. And I am running into more and more

adults that are discovering that they have some kind of a

learning disability late in life, which is why

they've avoided certain things. Right. So that

was, I think, one of the reasons that I wanted you to talk about how

structure can help you if you're experiencing those kind of

things, particularly if you are an entrepreneur and you don't have structure.

Well yeah. So we had talked about one of the things in my practice, and

this is not just necessarily children with communication

challenges or learning challenges, but all children, the way that

children learn is through that routine and that

structure. So, one of the things I'm always working with my families and

teaching them is how you can grow in

vocabulary and concept development through daily

routines because there's a sense of predictability. Plus it gives a

child a chance to hear the vocabulary associated with that routine

over and over and over again, and that repetition is how they

learn. And that's how all of us, anyways, learn. It doesn't matter if you're

a kid. I mean, you know, I'm sure anyone, when they

started a new job, even if they went to school in it, once they started

doing it and doing it and doing it, it became easier.

So that sense of predictability is what helps us

learn and move forward. So it's not necessarily,

like, if you go off the beaten path is bad, but

you have to still have the same, like you said, the same end view

in sight. And so, like I said, even with my therapy sessions,

I may be working on a particular goal, you know,

getting a child to use more complete phrases, and I have an activity

planned, and they don't wanna do it, and they wanna do something else. Am I

able to still get to my goal even though I'm going off course?

Yeah. And it it's funny because I talked with someone who was

a sales trainer. And one of the things that

she has her people do is to give their

sales I call it an introduction, not a pitch. Do you

know? Give their sales introduction every day of the

week, even if they have to do it to their family and friends.

Right? And she said, it just makes it so that it's the more you do

it, the more relaxed you get, the more, the

easier it is to do. And then of course, the flip side of

that from my perspective is I think one of the reasons for

doing it is you can start to read how other people are are

responding to it. You know, if it's the right crowd and they're not responding,

then you're like, oh, I need to do something different. You know,

but the more comfortable you are in doing it, the better you

can do it, you know, the more confident you come across. So, you know,

and, and you listen

to so many stories about, you know,

athletes. They talk about practice, practice, practice. And that's what

repetition and structure really does for you. Right. I

mean I mean, it's even think of a doctor. I mean, yeah, they do

their first surgery. They're successful, but the more they do it,

the better they get. They could probably do it with their eyes closed. Do you

know what I mean? So, you know, we do need to have that sense

of predictability and organization to get us to

somewhere. And I just think it's important

all around. I mean, especially as an entrepreneur. I mean, not only working with

kids, but then, like I said, having your own business, any business that you have,

I mean, you have to have some kind of organization,

or how are you gonna be able to be successful?

Well, you know, one of the things I think I shared this with you was,

you know, if you can't be

predictable in some way, your client's not gonna find

you. You know, because if it's like one day you're selling this and the

next day you're selling that or one day you've got you know, it's like,

I'm confused. Validity to it. It's the key with certain validity.

So yeah. I mean, definitely. But I

think the other thing that that you were talking about, you know, kind of in

terms of communication and how we learn,

the more okay. This is my my my

feeling. The more I learned about how I learned

and the different styles that other people had, I think

the better a communicator I became because I became

aware that I have to give people

information in a way that they that they can accept it. So,

when I found out that I was, like, highly visual, and

when I talk, I go, do you see this? You know, have you seen that?

I mean and then, you know, my husband who is

very auditory tends to say, did you hear

this? Right? And suddenly I started listening to my

kids. How do my, you know, when they were younger, how do my kids talk?

What are the words that they're using so that I can communicate with

them? But the same thing is true when you're talking to

people that you want to work, you know, adults that you want to work with,

if you're, if you're selling them, you know, to

to to kinda test out what words are can you see this? Can you hear

this? How do you feel about this? So the words

that they use gives you a clue about how you have to give

them information. At least that's been my experience. Well, it is. So

what you're talking about are their various learning styles, and there generally are three

learning styles. Like you said, a visual learner, an auditory

learner, and the kinesthetic learner. Those are who learn by doing.

So someone who takes apart a bike and puts it back together, they're kinesthetic.

Most people are visual learners. So, actually, when I'm

doing speech therapy sessions, I actually incorporate all three

learning styles because I don't know what a kid is very young off.

Majority of people are visual learners, which

is kinda funny because I go into school sometimes and, you know, they have all

the visuals on the walls of the classroom, but it's highly

overwhelming. So it's, like, to the nth degree. But, you

know, as we get older, you know, a lot of the teaching is auditory,

and that's actually the least common learning style. But, like I

was saying, when I'm working with my kids, I have kids learning by

doing, by learning by seeing, and also the auditory.

I'm working always on those three learning styles, and it is very important

that people know what learning style they are because some people,

you know, they are not auditory learners at all, and people just tell

them something and they'll never remember what you're telling them. Or you may

have to send them a memo or give them you know, teach them how to

work on a a calendar. One of the things I do in my job, which

also does with structure and routine, teaching older kids, you know, they get those

school planners. A lot of kids, especially kids with learning challenges,

don't wanna fill them in. They don't they don't actually write their homework

assignments in, and then they're lost, and they don't know when things are due. So

I actually have to physically teach them how to do that so they know what

to expect. But then now they see it, and they're like, oh, yeah.

That's when that's due versus trying to remember the teacher said,

oh, that assignment's due in two weeks, and it goes in one year and out

the other. Well, it's interesting because this really

dates me. Before we had Zoom, before we had all these other things,

I took my my coaching. They were

teleclasses. So you actually called into a, you know,

a conference call and you got your class, which was,

like, horrible for me. I mean, I had to actually because I'm a

I'm a visual kinetic. I like to touch it. I like to see it, and

I like to touch it. Right. So for those

classes, I actually had to buy

myself a toy to play with

so that I could focus and listen. And I have since

learned that if you highlight, you know, that the the the act

of highlighting things and, you know, people who are highly visual

and and kinetic take massive amounts of notes that

we never read again. Do you know?

That was me in school. Yep. And so now what I've

learned is I take massive amounts of notes still,

But as I'm going through, I'll highlight something. So if I

ever just right. So, like, I can go back and go, this was a good

point. This was a good point. This was a good point. But, you know,

I think part of one of the lessons that entrepreneurs can take away from

this is if you're making presentations, you need

to hit all those things. Yeah. And even when I still go to

my continuing education classes, because to be able to maintain my license,

I have to go do the CEUs. And I

really don't like when I'm just being lectured at. I

you know, having learning challenges myself, auditory processing,

you know, I just I cannot stand just being talked

to. I like when they give you examples and you're engaging and you're

having conversations with people or you're acting things out, you know,

and there's things on a board. Like, I want it to be a

multimodal, and that's even something we've discussed with even my kids.

Kids that may not be necessarily verbal, and they're nonspeaking,

and they're learning to talk. They need a multimodal communication system,

which includes the gestures, which includes signs, which may include pictures,

which may include words. So it's

everywhere. Like, the learning styles are literally everywhere.

Well, it's funny because I went, I was I'm gonna be in a

summit, and so they had a speakers thing. And so one of the

things that they said, and I didn't relate it to what we're

talking to, but it makes perfect sense is, you know, she was saying

instead of put the you know, saying put yes in the chat, you

should say write this down. Because when you write

stuff down, chances return. Right.

And so Nobody actually really realizes that.

People think it's very laborious and cumbersome. Oh, gosh. Do I have to take notes?

But, actually, it's been proven time and time again, there's something that

goes activation in your brain with you actually doing the physical motor

of writing actually activates parts of your brain to

help you learn versus, like, people taking one

word notes, you know, like, or one word. I'm like, what does that mean? It's

not gonna help you recall anything. So that's that

that tip right there is is worth gold, people. As an

entrepreneur, both in your family life and, you

know, and in your business, when you're talking to people to

try to be in as many different modes as possible, If you're

giving a workshop or you're giving a presentation to encourage

people to write it down. Now, what I, I have a model

called Make Your Learning Last and it's, you

learn something, you apply it, and then you

share it. And the act of sharing it helps you to

clarify if you really understand what it is you think you got.

But in terms of being an entrepreneur, it also makes you a generous

expert who's willing to share new things. And then you put a time or a

thought trigger on it. When am I gonna use this? Because that to

me is the piece that's missing. When I was in corporate, I would learn

something really fantastic. And then when the chaos hit, my reaction

was, what binder is that in? And I could never I could

never get back to it. So you have to to be proactive and use your

learning. You have to actually you know, you've applied it once.

When when is a good time to apply it again?

So you've given

I don't know where you wanna start. Let's start with

three three ways that entrepreneurs can can

learn, you know, can come up with things that they can use in

their business that that revolve around structure and learning

styles? Well, don't

put things off, number one, because everybody always says we're gonna get to things

later, and I think that's a kiss of death as an entrepreneur. You should really

if you're gonna do something, do it right away because chances are, A, if you

don't write it down, you're gonna forget about it. And things

can happen in the interim, so don't put things

off. I live by notes. Post

it notes are my best friends because they're easy. Even in my

books when I'm doing assessment tools, I post a note books to find

things easier. You know, if I'm trying to find standardized scores to be able

to report things in an assessment, so I'm

highlighting as well all the time. So post notes, highlighters.

You know, people think when you're done with school, you shouldn't take notes, which

I don't agree. You should always be taking notes.

And definitely keeping some sort of a schedule. A schedule

is very helpful in keeping you organized and on

track. But understand that that schedule may have to change every

so often and being able to be flexible with that because there are always

hiccups in the world. So there a couple of things that I

that I found is that

when you're scheduling, people tend

to schedule specific tasks, you know, like

I'm meeting with this project. I think that the

piece that people are really missing is they really miss

putting in time to be creative and thoughtful about their business,

right, or to take care of themselves. Because they're like,

I'll do it later. I'll you know, like you were saying, I'll do it later.

Right. But if you put it in your calendar and say,

I'm gonna take half a day every month that I'm

gonna sit and kinda take a look at my business, that kinda thing.

And it adds a structure to it so that you can add to it and,

you you know, you can kind of evaluate what's going

on. So I think that's really important in terms of

structure too is it's not just, you know, I'm gonna take

this phone call. I'm gonna do the that you you prioritize

and put in the priorities. So one prior

analysis, the reflection, which a lot of people don't do.

So, like, I even like, if I've had a therapy

session and it didn't necessarily go the way that I had planned it,

I gotta sit back and reevaluate because I've been doing this for a long

time. What could I have done differently? What

why why did potentially this not work out? You really

need to also you're making a good point. Schedule

time to evaluate how things are gone and being able to

make modifications. So, yeah, keeping certain appointments,

being able to set up meetings, whatever. But a successful

business also evaluates, and that's even people evaluating

how things are going. Well and and when we talk

about systems, right, so, I mean, we take something as simple as

networking. If you don't give yourself time

to follow-up after the networking, you've kinda, you know,

cut the impact down. So if your networking

event ends at two, you know, give yourself a half an

hour so so that you can look at what you've done and the notes make

sense and you can contact people on LinkedIn or whatever because

tomorrow, you're not gonna remember what those notes mean. And that's why I

said don't put things off. Whenever I'm at networking events and I

ask, are they on social media? Are you in LinkedIn? I just reach

out right away. Or if I get business cards,

I try to deal with them right away because they'll get lost. You'll forget.

You can't remember who who so and so is, you know, even

when I get a new client. And, you know, I get referrals all the time.

I take notes in my phone. Even if I say them in my phone, I

actually put notes in what's their challenge, what their you know,

I just what areas of need do they have? Because down the road

when a parent follows up with me, I'm like, oh gosh. Who is Susie again?

It doesn't make me also look really good if I don't remember, you know, as

a certain child. And and and I think also, I

think the important thing is

systems and habits don't have to be the

systems and habits that you had as a kid. I mean,

but there are some through lines that stay with you. So for

instance, I am definitely into color coding.

I love color coding. And so, you know, I I will give

a project a, you know, a color. And so, you know, like, if

right I right right now I'm trying to reorganize my calendar. So

initial contact is now green, clients are

blue, podcasts are red. So I know when I look

at it what you know, I don't have to know who it is. I just

know. Right? And that's that can be part of a

habit that can make your life a lot simpler, but you

design the process and the habit. I

mean, because one of the things I talk about about productivity

is is can you automate something? And when I mean

automate, I don't mean necessarily technically, but there's a

process for it. So when my kids got to be, like,

young teenagers, double digits someplace, And I

was, I was working and, you know, my husband was

working. We had this this thing about, you

know, about dinner. So on Saturday, I cooked the one

pot meal. I'm the queen of the one pot casserole. My husband's

a real cook, you know, so on Sunday he cooked the big meal. Monday and

Tuesday, we had leftovers. Wednesday, my daughter did spaghetti, so we you

know, or some kind of pasta. So we called her the pasta queen.

And then on Thursday, my son did sloppy joes. And on

Friday, we did go for yourself, clean out all the left. I

mean, it was but it made it such a Because you have

a sense of predictability. Now that doesn't mean that one day on Thursday,

you're not gonna go out to dinner or something comes up. Right. But at

least if you have that sense of predictability, and that's the same thing that I

try to explain to parents in my office, when kids

have a sense of predictability, their stress level goes

down. And it's interesting since we're actually on winter break right now and

seeing some of my kids over the holidays, they don't have that

structure. They don't have that routine. They don't have that sense of

predictability. And And guess what are up? Their behaviors,

their frustration levels. Because they're not in school, they're not doing

that. So, I mean, like, that goes back to our

routines and structure. It's helpful. It doesn't mean you have to

live by that, but at least it makes

life easier. Well, it's funny because

when I was when my kids were younger and they were in day care, when

I would pick them up on Fridays, their teacher would just say,

all you need to do is maintain maintain

what we've what we've put together. You know? You don't have to invent

something totally different. You just have to maintain it. Right?

And, you know, so we would laugh because, you know,

a lot of times we didn't, and we should've. Alright.

Tell me before we run out of time. Tell me what you're giving us.

Well, on my website for, those who have

children or wanna understand more about routines, on my

website or Lola's website, because I published my first kid's book

and my second one is currently being published, and

the stories all follow routines. I have Lola's first book here,

which is about bath time. So the routine of bath and the

language that follows bath. On Lola's website, which

actually is littlelolafrenchie.com, there

is a section on language, and there are tables

that discuss the type of vocabulary that parents could elicit for

children in certain routines or just even more general goals

of following directions and how taking can be elicited

through that. There's also, a a

podcast that I actually did with a great, doctor out here in LA

discussing the importance of routines and structures because

it's really funny that what we're discussing is actually

really you know, what we say, like, those duh statements, they're really very

self explanatory, but people miss it. You don't like, you're,

like, you don't really think about it, and you're like, well, that makes sense. And

then when you see it into action, you're like, oh, that really makes sense. So

people can go online to help, elicit language in

their children, all children, again, not necessarily somebody with communication

disorders, but how we can help boost language

learning through daily routines. Well, I think I think

one of the you know, I think sometimes people do not realize

that as an entrepreneur,

the words that you use on a regular basis Mhmm.

Is how people find you and how they relate to you.

And so, like I said, so so many times our beliefs

are from our childhood, and maybe they were good beliefs when we were

children, but, you know, and we did things because

somebody told us to do it. Now that you're an adult,

you have to find out what is your way of

doing it that makes sense. Do you know?

And the other part to that is things have changed.

I mean, from the time I was a child, they've changed a

lot. So so, you know, if you know what

your your goal is, you now have other ways to get there.

Right? So you have other options. I mean, we can, you know, you can

read a book, you can go on Google, you can get ChatTpT as a

continuous learner. And as an entrepreneur, you need to stay

relevant. And so as you stay relevant, I would

encourage everybody to take a look at their learning style and the way they

communicate with people and the way that they come across. And

I'm not telling you that you shouldn't do it a certain way

because we each need to feel comfortable in our own skin,

but you need to know that other people do not get it the same

way that you possibly you get it. When when

I used to talk about a communication, I used to say, did

you ever go someplace with somebody else's

family? And they go, oh, remember uncle John's fiftieth birthday

party? And everybody cracks up laughing, and you haven't got a

clue. Well, that's context specific.

Right? Right. But I'm just saying, but but but depending

on where you are and the words that you use and stuff, they can have

totally different meanings that in, you know, the way that you come across. And

so that's why I think it's so important that we be aware

that this is something we can evaluate. We can see

what happens, that there are better ways. There are things that we can

incorporate. And a very easy one is

routine. Because when you have a routine, you can

say, I followed these five steps

this time and got a great result. I did it next time, and I didn't.

What was different? And you can evaluate the situation so you

can get better results. I can't believe our time

is almost up because I think we could keep going on this. So

when was the last time you did something new for the first time?

Probably in the pandemic when I've always wanted to write a children's

book, understanding language and learning and literacy.

And, well, that that whole time of the pandemic was a whole learning style because

we had to learn how to do therapy on a computer. I still went

into the office, but I did do Zoom sessions, and that was

very challenging. I still do Zoom sessions, but, you know, you're a little bit

more selective because it's not again, for learning styles, being on a computer

screen isn't the greatest for everybody. I need to physically be with the kid or

whatever. So that was, a whole new learning curve

in and of itself. And at that time is when I decided to

take something that I always wanted to do and try to reach

more families and more children by writing my children's books.

And, you know, that was a

whole I mean, you know, writing a book in a

sense is easy, but you don't realize all the other things that go along with

it, like the trademarking, the copywriting, the, you know, finding

the book distributors and, you know, and there's no, like, writing a

book for dummies. So I had to figure it out on my own.

So but, you know, I got through, and it was rewarding. So the second time

around, it was a lot easier. But Right.

And it was. And, again, took good notes, kept good

files, and so it was very much helpful.

So that and I found that to be very, very rewarding and

exciting and something that, you know, I continue

hopefully, will continue doing with more books for Lola.

Sounds fantastic. And we're almost out

of time. And so I need to put in the commercial. And so as

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it. So Stephanie, give me your last

words before we go.

I mean, structure is really good. The routines are very good. Understand

the flexibility, and I think we actually touched on a very important point

that when dealing with others in business, to

really take in mind, you know, their various

learning styles. And even if you're one, somebody else may not be, and you may

wanna try to incorporate all learning styles when

dealing with people. So I

think that's so true. I think that makes you so much more relatable that you're

trying to relate. So that's it for us. So

remember, change is simple, but it's not always easy. And

it requires courage and resilience and a willingness to step out of your comfort

zone. So I hope you will join me again for the one small change,

as we embark on this journey and your bold vision and innovative

possibilities. And until next time, please stay

curious. Stephanie, thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and

your time with us today. Thank you for having me, Yvonne. Thank

you.