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FE1.9 - Dams: Swimming Upstream (Part 1)
Episode 98th November 2018 • Future Ecologies • Future Ecologies
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Dams remain one of the ultimate demonstrations of human power over nature. Wild rivers can be tamed to deliver energy for industry, lakes for recreation, and water for agriculture. But severing the link between land and sea has come with grave ecological costs. The impact of dams on salmon populations has been especially obvious and painful.

This is part one of a two-part series on dam removals. In this episode, we return to the Klamath river to examine the fierce conflict (and unlikely partnerships) in pursuit of the deconstruction of 4 major dams.

Find shownotes, sources, and musical credits at https://www.futureecologies.net/listen/fe1-9-swimming-upstream

UPDATE

In November of 2022, the US Federal Energy Regulatory Commission approved the removal of the 4 key dams along the Klamath River - a huge victory for salmon and for the Indigenous tribes and environmental groups that had worked for over two decades towards this end. The dams are expected to be removed by the end of 2024 in what will be the largest dam removal effort in history. Scientists hope to study the impacts of dam removal on the Klamath river’s ecology and salmon populations. We’ll continue to follow this story as it unfolds and we’ll let you know what happens.

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Transcripts

Music:

[Water rushing over river rocks, steady guitar begins to

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fade in, before a spash, after which, watery-guitar music

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underscores the audio]

Ryan Hilperts:

You look at, restorationists look at the

Ryan Hilperts:

landscape and they think, they dream on it, they dream about

Ryan Hilperts:

ecologically what could be happening in that place. And so

Ryan Hilperts:

it's this kind of foresight, you know, you do a visioning, you're

Ryan Hilperts:

visioning something. So, if you could actually vision in

whatever place:

What would you like to see in terms of human

whatever place:

relations on a place in 20 years? And then backcast and

think:

What seeds do we need to be planting right now?

Music:

[Bass tones break through, then music becomes more

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pensive]

Ryan Hilperts:

Part of, you know, part of how we know each

Ryan Hilperts:

other is through telling stories from our lives and the way we

Ryan Hilperts:

have stories to tell us that we have experiences. You know,

Ryan Hilperts:

and-and we learn a lot through storied knowledge. When I was

Ryan Hilperts:

doing interviews, I found that when people started speaking in

Ryan Hilperts:

metaphor, that's when stuff got really interesting, because we

Ryan Hilperts:

use metaphor to talk about things that have truth larger

Ryan Hilperts:

than just the thing that we're talking about. And when people

Ryan Hilperts:

started to describe stories in real detail, right, and their

Ryan Hilperts:

emotion came into it, they get more creative with their

Ryan Hilperts:

language. And when people use metaphor, or they start to use

Ryan Hilperts:

that kind of language they're pointing to almost like a poetic

Ryan Hilperts:

knowledge of the world that's rooted in wisdom, right? You

Ryan Hilperts:

know, in that, in that we build a weapon, and a reciprocity,

Ryan Hilperts:

with land and water when we when we know it in the way that it's

Ryan Hilperts:

the character in our stories, and we're a character in it's

Ryan Hilperts:

story.

Music:

[Guitar breaks through, strongly underscores following

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dialogue]

Ryan Hilperts:

I realize I'm just so very into kind of the

Ryan Hilperts:

symbolic, but I think dam removals are just the most

Ryan Hilperts:

compelling restoration project, because it is-they are just so-

Ryan Hilperts:

it's such pure symbolism; you know? In sort of a romantic way.

Ryan Hilperts:

But it's just-I mean-terms of a, in terms of the kind of

Ryan Hilperts:

restoration that can capture people's imaginations; I just

Ryan Hilperts:

think that they're-they're so powerful for that reason.

Music:

[Guitar cords play, building momentum, playing over

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recorded dialogue]

Adam Huggins:

Ready?

Mendel Skulski:

Ready.

Adam Huggins:

1-2-3:

am Huggins and Mendel Skulski:

[simultaneously] Jump! [spalsh]

Music:

[Stops, river water returns as soundscape]

Adam Huggins:

For a long time in North America, especially in the

Adam Huggins:

West, we've told ourselves a singular, unshakeable story

Adam Huggins:

about dams. In many ways, it's a love story...

Music:

[Ride of the Valkyries enters and underscores]

Adam Huggins:

...full of romance and conflict, usually pitting

Adam Huggins:

the indomitable will of man, against the chaos of nature.

Adam Huggins:

Wild rivers which epitomize the unpredictable, untapped

Adam Huggins:

resource, are transformed by human ingenuity for the

Adam Huggins:

betterment of all. By constructing dams, we can

Adam Huggins:

produce clean energy for burgeoning communities, create

Adam Huggins:

recreational areas for boaters and weekenders, and provide a

Adam Huggins:

dependable water source for industry and agriculture.

Mendel Skulski:

And construct dams we did. Beginning in the

Mendel Skulski:

1890s, accelerating through Roosevelt's New Deal, spreading

Mendel Skulski:

out to every corner of the world and culminating in the

Mendel Skulski:

monumental Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in China,

Mendel Skulski:

humanity is smack dab in the center of a dam building craze

Mendel Skulski:

that shows little signs of abating. Even now, a new era of

Mendel Skulski:

dam construction has begun worldwide, fueled by the demand

Mendel Skulski:

for clean energy, and the hunt for the few remaining wild

Mendel Skulski:

rivers, yet to be tamed and harnessed. The controversial

Mendel Skulski:

Site C dam on the Peace River in Northern British Columbia is

Mendel Skulski:

just one example of the latest wave of mega projects across the

Mendel Skulski:

globe.

Adam Huggins:

This story of man's triumph over nature, and

Adam Huggins:

the marvels of human ingenuity and audacity, is a powerful one,

Adam Huggins:

deeply rooted in our collective imagination. But it isn't the

Adam Huggins:

only story being told about dams here in North America.

Mendel Skulski:

Right now, up and down the Pacific Coast and

Mendel Skulski:

beyond, there's a growing awareness of the ecological and

Mendel Skulski:

social costs of dam construction. Costs that, until

Mendel Skulski:

recently, have been overshadowed by the sheer marvel all of our

Mendel Skulski:

technological achievements. And little by little, bit by bit,

Mendel Skulski:

this second story is eroding away the foundations of the

Mendel Skulski:

first. Eating away of its themes, its plot points,

Mendel Skulski:

creating cracks, which then become fissures, until . . .

Adam Huggins:

. . . [Warrior-like] The floodgates

Adam Huggins:

open!

Music:

[Explosive water breaking free and spilling forth, Ride of

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the Valkyries fades out beneath it]

Mendel Skulski:

And damn metaphors aside, all hell breaks

Mendel Skulski:

loose.

Music:

[Intense, pulsating music underscores]

Media:

[Someone overseeing a meeting] I think we've seen how

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strong the passions are today about, uh, about water and . . .

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water is our lifeblood. [Unspecified Speaker] What do I

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think of this? I think it's a dam[n] scam! [First speaker]

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This has gone on, and on, for years. [New Unspecified Speaker]

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This bright idea here, has the potential of destroying our way

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of life and the economy. [News Anchor] Native American tribes,

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farmers, fishermen and conservation groups battled each

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other over access and control of scarce water supplies in the

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region. [New Unspecified Speaker] Billion dollars of

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taxpayer and ratepayer costs, all driven, we're told, by the

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best available science. [New Unspecified Speaker] It's really

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a tragedy and-and it's government imposed. [New

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Unspecified Speaker] Intentional falsification of scientific

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data. [New Unspecified Speaker] Reliable, sustainable, low cost

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power. [Protestor, through megaphone] 68,000 dead salmon

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can't be wrong. Dams kill fish! [New Protestor, through

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megaphone] There's no salmon and our river. We all grew up eating

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fish, catching fish, and now theres nothing! [New Unspecified

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Speaker, on the verge of tears] It's not getting any better!

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[Protestors Chanting] Bring down the dams! Bring down the dams!

Media:

[Speaker overseeing meeting] I respect the strength of your

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convictions. We agree that decisions like this must, must,

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be done in tandem and in concert with Indigenous Peoples, but

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those challenges have passed.

Adam Huggins:

So, if restoring a landscape, or a river, requires

Adam Huggins:

restory-ing that landscape, or river, what are the stories that

Adam Huggins:

we're going to tell to ourselves, and to our kids, and

Adam Huggins:

grandkids about dams?

Mendel Skulski:

In this two part series, we're going to look at

the stories of two rivers:

one in Washington, and one in

the stories of two rivers:

Northern California. And what the decades long battles to

the stories of two rivers:

restore them can tell us about the future of rivers and the

the stories of two rivers:

communities that rely on them. This is part one, which we've

the stories of two rivers:

decided to call:

Adam Huggins:

Swimming Upstream.

Music:

[Pensive, electronic music continues]

Introduction voiceover:

Broadcasting from Vancouver, British

Introduction voiceover:

Columbia, on the unseeded territories of the Musqueam,

Introduction voiceover:

Squamish, and Tsleil-Waututh Peoples, this is Future

Introduction voiceover:

Ecologies. Where your hosts, Adam Huggins and Mendel Skulski,

Introduction voiceover:

explore the future of human habitation on planet earth

Introduction voiceover:

through ecology, design, and sound.

Music:

[Pensive electronic music fades out]

Bill Tripp:

[Voice tuned watery, eternal, above the sound of a

Bill Tripp:

running stream] I'm from the spawning ground: it's the one

Bill Tripp:

that we all know. At one time or another, we all swam from the

Bill Tripp:

same hole. That's when my water broke, that's when my father's

Bill Tripp:

broke. He said, when I was young, I was told know how the

Bill Tripp:

water tastes, know which way it flows, feel the wind, know which

Bill Tripp:

way it blows, learn from the animals, the birds and the bees.

Say a prayer for the homeground:

:

the rivers, the rocks, the

Say a prayer for the homeground:

:

mountains the oceans and trees.

Say a prayer for the homeground:

:

[Indigenous Music

Music:

[A thunderstorm break

Mendel Skulski:

Imagine for a second, that you are Pacific

Mendel Skulski:

salmon, far out at sea. You're King Salmon, also known as a

Mendel Skulski:

Chinook; Oncorhynchus , meaning hooked nose in Greek, chacha, a

Mendel Skulski:

Russian reference to Chinook. And I want you to imagine that

Mendel Skulski:

you're a king among King Salmon. You're five feet long, 100

Mendel Skulski:

pounds. And you've been terrorizing smaller fishes and

Mendel Skulski:

zooplankton in the North Pacific for over four years, since just

Mendel Skulski:

a few weeks after you hatched in a riffle, up some distant river

Mendel Skulski:

Every nautical mile you've swu has taken you further an

Mendel Skulski:

further from that river, ou into the unknown, the majesti

Mendel Skulski:

Northern Pacific Ocean. You'v spent years gorging on krill an

Mendel Skulski:

copepods, herring, and rockfish you've grown, you're plump, fat

Mendel Skulski:

and swimming free

Music:

[Indigenous Music fades out, replaced by tembling,

Music:

creeking music]

Mendel Skulski:

But something feels missing: you're the only

Mendel Skulski:

one of your hundreds of brothers and sisters who have survived

this far:

most were eaten by something long ago. And your

this far:

parents died weeks before you hatched: you're completely

this far:

alone. But from the depths of that hole in your fishy heart,

this far:

there comes a faint remembrance. It stirs within you,

this far:

transforming your sadness, into conviction, your despondency, to

this far:

determination, your paralysis into motion. You are beginning

this far:

to great migration, the defining event of your existence, the

this far:

test of your strength and your fat reserves. You are returning

this far:

from whence you came.

Adam Huggins:

It's still a bit of a mystery how salmon do this,

Adam Huggins:

but a recent publication on Sockeye Salmon in the Fraser

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[Tembling music resolves]

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River suggests that salmon navigate their way towards the

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river they were born in usi g, at least in part, the E

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rth's magnetic field. From the e, it appears they use olfacto

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y and other sensory clues t find their natal stream. But t

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is is a mystery for anothe day. Today, I'm going to ask

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ou to join me one more time n the Northwest corner of Cali

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ornia known as the Klamath Kno . And this time, Senator Jeff M

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rkley of Oregon is going to h lp me tell you all abo

Music:

[Vibrant, "good-ol-days" fiddle music underscores]

Media:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] Mr. President, I rise

Media:

tonight to tell you a tale about the Klamath Basin and share a

Media:

little bit of the vision. First, let me tell you about the

Media:

magical place that is the Klamath Basin. It's in Southern

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Oregon and Northern California. It's an area of the country that

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is rich with agricultural resources and exceptional

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wildlife populations.

Adam Huggins:

And here to tell the story of the Klamath River,

Adam Huggins:

local resident Erica Terrance.

Erica Terrence:

I'm Erica Terrence and I was born and

Erica Terrence:

raised on the Salmon River, which is 15 miles from here, up

Erica Terrence:

river.

Adam Huggins:

Erica is also the Outreach and Development

Adam Huggins:

Coordinator for the Mid Klamath Watershed Council,

Adam Huggins:

affectionately known as MKWC [Mik-wic].

Erica Terrence:

The Klamath River Watershed starts in

Erica Terrence:

Oregon, the headwaters are near Crater Lake and up in the Spray

Erica Terrence:

and Williamson and Wood Rivers, near Klamath Falls area,

Erica Terrence:

peloquin area, and it's really volcanic up there.

Adam Huggins:

Volcanic as in, the Southern end of the Cascades

Adam Huggins:

Volcanic Range, which extends from British Columbia in the

Adam Huggins:

north, down through Western Washington and Oregon, to Lassen

Adam Huggins:

National Park in California.

Erica Terrence:

Actually, that's part of what gives the water and

Erica Terrence:

the upper Klamath is character, that was really good for Spring

Erica Terrence:

Chinook Salmon. But mainly what you find is a lot of farming and

Erica Terrence:

ranching communities up there.

Media:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] The basin contains

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approximately 1400 family farms and ranches encompasses over

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200,000 acres of farmland irrigated with water from the

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Klamath River and the Klamath Lake.

Adam Huggins:

These farming and ranching communities live mostly

Adam Huggins:

in what is referred to as, "The Upper Basin".

Erica Terrence:

From a geographic perspective, I mean,

Erica Terrence:

we often say the Klamath is-is an upside down river basin,

Erica Terrence:

because unlike most river basins, it's, you know, pretty

Erica Terrence:

flat and pretty deserty up in the top, and the further down

Erica Terrence:

you go, the more densely vegetated, the wetter, the more

Erica Terrence:

narrow the river canyon.

Music:

[Jumpy fiddle music is slowly overtaken by water

Music:

running over rocks]

Adam Huggins:

As the river flows out of the arid plateau of the

Adam Huggins:

Upper Basin, it descends through a series of mountain ranges

Adam Huggins:

known collectively as the North Coast or Klamath Ranges of

Adam Huggins:

California. This includes the Marble Mountains, the Trinity

Adam Huggins:

Alps, and the Siskiyous. This whole region is famous for its

Adam Huggins:

incredible botanical diversity, and the lower basin is really

Adam Huggins:

rugged, remote country. We've actually been there before in

Adam Huggins:

Future Ecologies, in our recent mini-series "On Fire". So the

Adam Huggins:

Klamath cuts its way through these mountains, until it

Adam Huggins:

reaches the Pacific.

Erica Terrence:

And down near the mouth, you don't have a

Erica Terrence:

really broad river delta, you have still a pretty tight little

Erica Terrence:

bottleneck.

Adam Huggins:

When Erica says that the Klamath watershed is

Adam Huggins:

upside down, what she means is that usually a river's

Adam Huggins:

headwaters will be somewhere up in a mountain range, or

Adam Huggins:

something, and begin as a narrow, winding stream, cutting

Adam Huggins:

down through a canyon, before eventually winding its way

Adam Huggins:

across a wide, flat plain, and emptying out in a broad delta

Adam Huggins:

into the ocean. That's kind of the archetypical, hydrological

Adam Huggins:

cycle version of a watershed. The Klamath sort of does the

opposite:

that's one of the things that makes it special.

opposite:

The plains are upstream, the mountains are downstream, and

smack dab in the middle:

four major dams.

Music:

[Running water is overtaken by a somber piano

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cord, piano continues underneath]

Erica Terrence:

So then the Klamath River starts up in

Erica Terrence:

Southern Oregon and crosses the California/Oregon border, right

Erica Terrence:

around where those large dams are in the system. So those

Erica Terrence:

large dams bisect the whole watershed and block off more

Erica Terrence:

than 100 miles of pretty good salmon habitat.

Adam Huggins:

These four dams, Copco one and two, the J.C.

Adam Huggins:

Boyle, and the Iron Gate, were constructed between 1918 and

Adam Huggins:

1962, mostly to generate power for the region.

Erica Terrence:

So it's about a 300 mile run of the Klamath

Erica Terrence:

River, that's pretty long. Um, a lot of diverse interests, the

Erica Terrence:

further down you come, you know, it starts out with all those

Erica Terrence:

farming and ranching communities. Then you have the

Erica Terrence:

Karuk Tribe's uppermost edge of their territory is Yreka

Erica Terrence:

[wy-REE-ca], that's right around the border. And then, you know,

Erica Terrence:

you get down to Happy Camps, ohms, Orleans, that's more the

Erica Terrence:

center of our service area at MKWC, and that's a lot more

Erica Terrence:

tribal communities, a lot more fishing communities, a lot more

Erica Terrence:

watershed restoration going on. And that's really our economic

Erica Terrence:

engine these days. And then when you get you know, out to the

Erica Terrence:

mouth, that's Yurok Tribal Territory and a lot of timber

Erica Terrence:

interests all down there. And out on the coast, you have

Erica Terrence:

commercial fishermen, so when, you know, in the whole pitched

Erica Terrence:

battle to remove dams, what you had often the narrative,

Erica Terrence:

that-that came out about that was, you know, fishermen versus

Erica Terrence:

farms . . .

Erica Terrence:

. . . which is a pretty tough place to start.

Adam Huggins:

So the long and short of it is, in the Lower

Adam Huggins:

Basin, you have fishermen, the tribes: Karuk, Hoopa, and Yurok,

Adam Huggins:

and small tight-knit communities of homesteaders and marijuana

Adam Huggins:

growers in the mountains, and in the Upper Basin, farmers and

Adam Huggins:

ranchers, and the Klamath Tribes as well, in between: dams. But

Adam Huggins:

there's one more critical piece to this puzzle.

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] The Klamath

Bill Tripp:

is sometimes referred to as the "Western Everglades". The basin

Bill Tripp:

attracts 80% of the Pacific Flyway's waterfowl, and supports

Bill Tripp:

the largest overwintering population of Bald Eagles

Bill Tripp:

anywhere in the lower 48 states. It is also home to one of the

Bill Tripp:

most productive salmon river systems in the country.

Adam Huggins:

The Klamath historically hosted incredible

Adam Huggins:

salmon runs, which the 49'ers and early settlers quickly began

Adam Huggins:

capitalizing on, after giving up their search for gold.

Media:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] And of course, this

Media:

region has a history long before settlers from the East came to

Media:

it. It was already inhabited by Native communities that had

Media:

lived in the Klamath Basin for 10,000 years, and who have a

Media:

deep connection to this amazing place.

Bill Tripp:

Well, I mean, there's there's a lot to that.

Music:

[Guitar joins deep, driving music]

Adam Huggins:

That, of course, is Bill Tripp, the Deputy

Adam Huggins:

Director of Eco-Cultural Revitalization for the Karuk

Adam Huggins:

Tribe. We spoke to him in our mini series "On Fire". Before

Adam Huggins:

the dams were built, all the tribes, up and down the river,

Adam Huggins:

carefully coordinated the Salmon Harvest through First Salmon

Adam Huggins:

Ceremonies.

Bill Tripp:

Before the Salmon Ceremony, at [Native Placename]

Bill Tripp:

just up here and [Native Placename], before that no one,

Bill Tripp:

no one else fished. And then you know, after that Ceremony was

Bill Tripp:

done, then Runners would, would go down. And then the Yurok

Bill Tripp:

would build their wier and then they would start fishing. But

Bill Tripp:

that-that made sure that a lot of those first fish that could

Bill Tripp:

make it farther in, through the system, could make it.

Adam Huggins:

This way, enough of the healthiest fish made it

Adam Huggins:

up river to spawn and ensure the future of the run. And then each

Adam Huggins:

tribe would be able to harvest what it needed, ever mindful of

Adam Huggins:

the needs of those tribes that were still upstream. At that

Adam Huggins:

time, the salmon were so abundant that it was said you

Adam Huggins:

could walk across the river-

Erica Terrence:

-on the backs of buffalo and that's a reference

Erica Terrence:

to when people could walk across the rivers, you know, on the

Erica Terrence:

backs of the salmon. They were so densely packed in the rivers

Erica Terrence:

that . . . you could literally walk across.

Adam Huggins:

It's hard to imagine today, that the salmon

Adam Huggins:

were so thick, you could walk across the river on their backs.

Adam Huggins:

And you can understand why, all of these tribes, all of these

Adam Huggins:

people, relied heavily on salmon year-round. And even so, when

Adam Huggins:

the settlers arrived, it seemed like there was just an unlimited

Adam Huggins:

amount of fish. That is, of course, until the dams were

Music:

[Deep driving music returns to running water]

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built.

Erica Terrence:

There were millions of salmon, right? And

Erica Terrence:

now we're talking like, the number of salmon that are

Erica Terrence:

supposed to get upstream and spawn is 29,000. And after

Erica Terrence:

29,000, that's when they start allowing people to catch fish.

Erica Terrence:

And so, you know, in a good year, you might have 60,000, or

Erica Terrence:

something like that, but we often don't see good years. It's

Erica Terrence:

such a small number, you know, tribal people can barely feed

Erica Terrence:

their families and their elders are relying on fish from the

Erica Terrence:

previous year from the freezer, sometimes which is so

Erica Terrence:

demoralizing and demeaning and unjust. So it's it's really

Erica Terrence:

quite a-quite a change. We've experienced the-the decline in

Erica Terrence:

salmon populations is . . . affects everything here.

Bill Tripp:

Just when I was a kid, it always just seemed like

Bill Tripp:

we always had plenty, of salmon, but even then, from what I

Bill Tripp:

understand, there's people told stories about, "I used to be

Bill Tripp:

able to walk across the river on their backs", and-and I never

Bill Tripp:

did-I remember seeing some really big fish caught, and they

Bill Tripp:

end up like Alaska-size fish caught in the Klamath River,

Bill Tripp:

[Indengious Placename] Falls and you just don't see that anymore.

Bill Tripp:

I mean, but we did see a couple years there, I mean, when I was

Bill Tripp:

young, I never did picture the whole walking across the rivers

Bill Tripp:

on the backs thing. But there was a couple of years where I

Bill Tripp:

saw you know, finally in my adult life, where-where, we saw

Bill Tripp:

a one-one or two week window where-I was just-there were so

Bill Tripp:

many fish-you can finally-I was like you can imagine what-what

Bill Tripp:

that was, I mean, I try to . . . so many fish that you'd try to

Bill Tripp:

dip 'em out of the falls and you couldn't even get your poles

Bill Tripp:

down through them and it's like, you know, missing them all, and

you just wonder:

how could I have missed that many fish?

you just wonder:

Yeah, you don't see that anymore.

Adam Huggins:

And in the past few years, the bottom has fallen

Adam Huggins:

out on those low populations. For their annual First Salmon

Adam Huggins:

Ceremony, in 2017, for the first time, the Yurok tribe actually

Adam Huggins:

had to purchase salmon for the event, from Alaska.

Music:

[Fades to silence, then a deep, bubbly oceanic soundscape

Music:

rolls in]

Mendel Skulski:

It's been months out at sea, swimming slowly and

Mendel Skulski:

steadily towards your destination. And it hasn't been

Mendel Skulski:

easy avoiding roving pods of killer whales and the beckoning

Mendel Skulski:

hooks of longline fishermen. But at long last, you catch a

Mendel Skulski:

familiar scent.

Music:

[Rustic guitar cord, plays alongside the oceanic

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soundscape]

Mendel Skulski:

Suddenly, you know this place, you've been

Mendel Skulski:

here before, when you were just a smolt. And look, there's some

Mendel Skulski:

other salmon too! They look different; they must be Coho.

Mendel Skulski:

But over there, Chinook! They're all gathered in a big group

Mendel Skulski:

together at the mouth of the river, so you head towards them.

Music:

[Soundscape and guitar are supersceeded by a frantic

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whirlwind]

Mendel Skulski:

But as you approach it becomes hard to

Mendel Skulski:

breathe-your gills seize up, and you start to overheat-frantic,

Mendel Skulski:

you struggle to reach the other Chinook, who are all gathered in

Mendel Skulski:

a pocket of cold, oxygenated water.

Music:

[Whirlwind gives way to a steady, upbeat drumline]

Adam Huggins:

For most of the past few decades, stakeholders

Adam Huggins:

in the Upper and Lower Basins of the Klamath River have been

Adam Huggins:

locked in a series of caustic water wars.

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] Now, let me

Bill Tripp:

tell you that the allocation of water in this basin has always

Bill Tripp:

been a source of enormous tension between the farmers and

Bill Tripp:

ranchers, the fishermen-both the in-stream fishermen and the

Bill Tripp:

offshore fishermen-and the tribes. Tribes want to be

Bill Tripp:

assured of their rights to continue fishing practices that

Bill Tripp:

they have passed down from generation to generation for

Bill Tripp:

thousands of years. Farmers and ranchers want to be sure that

Bill Tripp:

they will have water they need to sustain their operations that

Bill Tripp:

the families depend on for success. For decades, the

Bill Tripp:

tension over water has been accentuated in times of drought,

Bill Tripp:

culminating most famously in a standoff in 2001 that made

Bill Tripp:

national news. During that 2001 drought, irrigation water for

Bill Tripp:

the Klamath reclamation project was shut off [Sound of a valve

Bill Tripp:

shifting] to protect endangered fish species. Thousands of

Bill Tripp:

people gathered at Klamath Falls in sympathy with the farmers.

Bill Tripp:

There was civil disobedience, and people were worried about

Bill Tripp:

the possibility of violence. Vice President Cheney intervened

Bill Tripp:

and guaranteed water deliveries, rather than fish protections,

Bill Tripp:

and the result was the largest fish kill in US history.

Erica Terrence:

Those guys upstream really, um, control a

Erica Terrence:

lot of what happens downstream. Farmers were so concerned that

Erica Terrence:

their crops would die off in such a drought year that they

Erica Terrence:

turned off the head gates at the top dam in the system and

Erica Terrence:

prevented water from coming downstream. And then, of course,

Erica Terrence:

what resulted was this 2002 fish kill. The mainstem Klamath River

Erica Terrence:

was so warm-and stressful for them-that they were looking for

Erica Terrence:

that little bit of cold water with oxygen in it. And they were

Erica Terrence:

also packed in so close together that they-you know-one got the

Erica Terrence:

disease and they all got the disease, and it was close to

Erica Terrence:

80,000 adult salmon that died. And when you put that in

Erica Terrence:

perspective with the 29,000 number, it's really a big

Music:

[Fades to silence]

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impact.

Bill Tripp:

Meanwhile, agriculture was still damaged;

Bill Tripp:

families saw major losses and some had to sell their farms:

Bill Tripp:

there were no real winners. At the time, many people thought

Bill Tripp:

these issues were intractable, that the arguments and lawsuits

Bill Tripp:

would continue interminably, perhaps for generations to come.

Bill Tripp:

But a number of years years ago, a group of leaders in the

Bill Tripp:

community had the boldness to start rethinking how they framed

Bill Tripp:

their quest for water and the water wars.

Music:

[Funky, bubbly water enters then gives way to the

Music:

ocean soundscape]

Mendel Skulski:

After what seems like a lifetime, you make it to

Mendel Skulski:

the group of salmon, and you can breathe again. The water is

Mendel Skulski:

cool, and there's enough oxygen to catch your breath. But as you

Mendel Skulski:

look around at the other salmon packed into this little lens of

Mendel Skulski:

water, you notice that they look stressed and ill. Something is

wrong. Their gills:

they're red and swollen with little white

wrong. Their gills:

dots, and there's dead brown tissue around the edges. Panic

wrong. Their gills:

starts to set in. When suddenly a wave of cool water flows over

wrong. Their gills:

you, and the group disperses, headed upstream. You follow,

wrong. Their gills:

feeling a sense of relief in this moment, but also

Adam Huggins:

When cool river water sits in reservoirs, in the

Adam Huggins:

trepidation.

Music:

[Bubbles pitch shift up and give way to deep piano

Music:

sun, it heats up and can't hold as much oxygen. And in a drought

Music:

notes]

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year, when less water is coming downstream in the first place,

Music:

and water is still being diverted for agriculture and

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industry, well, the temperature and oxygen levels in the

Music:

mainstem of the river become lethal. Even for strong,

Music:

relatively temperature tolerant Chinook Salmon. The fish are

Music:

forced to crowd into the mouths of creeks, where bubbles of cool

Music:

water can form. But crowding decreases oxygen levels even

Music:

further, and increases the odds of parasite and disease

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transfer, which increases stress which increases the odds o

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parasite and disease transfer and so on. High temperatures

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low oxygen and stressed fis , packed into small areas crea

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e conditions that favor the rap d spread of a parasite known

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s White Spot. [Latin Binom al] , often known as Ich [Ick]

Music:

or short. Ich is a ciliate prot zoan, whose adult stage feeds

Music:

n the gills and skin of stresse fish, resembling a white spot.

Music:

It can kill fish within 30 d ys, if secondary infect

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ons of columnaris-a fre hwater flavobacterium-don't fin

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sh the job first. And this is xactly what happened in 2002.

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ow, as it happened, the 2002 fi h kill coincided with t

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e FERC relicensing process. Bas cally, dams need to be periodic

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lly relicensed by the Federal nergy Regulatory Commit

Erica Terrence:

Basically, I would say that the effort the

Erica Terrence:

ee in Washington DC, to remain in use. And the four dams on the

Erica Terrence:

Klamath, they have some probl ms, like they don't have fish

Erica Terrence:

ladders, which are required b law. So they're vulnerable

Erica Terrence:

And the Lower Basin communi y senses that, and takes the o

Erica Terrence:

portunity to make a mov

Erica Terrence:

campaign to remove four dams on the Klamath started in 2001 when

Erica Terrence:

the dams-the license for those dams-was up for renewal with the

Erica Terrence:

Federal Energy Regulatory Commission. And the way that

Erica Terrence:

this campaign really catalyzed was a bunch of tribes overcoming

Erica Terrence:

their differences in this basin and saying, we're going to get

Erica Terrence:

dams out and we need to work together to do it. And so, all

Erica Terrence:

four tribes-who had some significant differences-took

Erica Terrence:

this trip, to send a delegation to Scotland-right?-when those

Erica Terrence:

dams were owned by Scottish Power.

Music:

[Distant B

Bill Tripp:

Yes, I did go over there. That was, um,

Bill Tripp:

interesting. Yes, if there was one thing I did, was I came up

Bill Tripp:

with the idea to use recycled scotch barrels to cook our fish

Bill Tripp:

with, cuz you can-couldn't find firewood. You don't really allow

Bill Tripp:

open wood burning. And so, there's a ceremony on Calton

Bill Tripp:

Hill in Edinburgh, where they, there's a Celtic ceremony every

Bill Tripp:

year. And so, we end up getting permission from the Celtic

Bill Tripp:

people to build a fire on their sacred fireplace, and we got

Bill Tripp:

permission from the Scottish government to build the fire

Bill Tripp:

there, to cook fish and feed the people. And so we did. We had a

Bill Tripp:

bunch of wild Atlantic salmon and we built a fire. But we

Bill Tripp:

couldn't find wood, and so they're like, wow, what are we

Bill Tripp:

gonna do? What are we gonna do? And so, I guess that was

Bill Tripp:

probably my, my contribution was, oh, and it would seem like

Bill Tripp:

there would be recycled scotch barrels around here someplace.

Bill Tripp:

[Laughs] And sure enough, the whole truckload of these little

Bill Tripp:

oak, scotch-scotch soaked oak blocks, turned out pretty good.

Bill Tripp:

But just talking to the people there. Out in front of the

Bill Tripp:

shareholders meeting for Scottish power, was you know,

Bill Tripp:

people were coming up and taking our fliers and one person said,

Bill Tripp:

he said, "You know what? I'm on. I want one of those". And he

Bill Tripp:

said, "You know why I want one?". I said, "Why?". He said,

Bill Tripp:

"Because these things happen all the time, but usually when they

Bill Tripp:

do, this whole place is littered with flyers". He said, "I walked

Bill Tripp:

up and down the street a couple times while you guys went out

Bill Tripp:

here and I haven't seen a single one on the ground, so I want to

Bill Tripp:

know what you have to say". And I thought that was pretty

Bill Tripp:

interesting. So, it seemed like it was really, really well

Bill Tripp:

received from the people in that place.

Music:

[Bagpipes fade away, a deep voice singing in an

Music:

opera-like fashion fades in]

Erica Terrence:

And Scottish Power was so . . . uncomfortable

Erica Terrence:

under the microscope that they sold off that, you know,

Erica Terrence:

albatross as fast as they could, to MidAmerican Energy, which

Erica Terrence:

owns PacifiCore, which is, MidAmerican energy is owned by

Erica Terrence:

Berkshire Hathaway, owned, majority of the shares, owned by

Erica Terrence:

Warren Buffett.

Adam Huggins:

This sale was a major early victory for the

Adam Huggins:

tribes. But initially, the new owner, PacifiCore, isn't super

Adam Huggins:

excited about the idea of taking out the dams. After all, they

Adam Huggins:

just bought them. So it seems like to bring PacifiCore to the

Adam Huggins:

table, the stars have to align, which isn't exactly what

Adam Huggins:

happens. Instead, Hell freezes over. After the break . . .

Music:

[Music reaches a conclusion and fades out, break]

Adam Huggins:

So remember that FERC relicensing process? Well,

Adam Huggins:

that process catalyzed a series of discussions between . . .

Adam Huggins:

very unlikely bedfellows.

Adam Huggins:

[Escalating, industi

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] Individuals

Bill Tripp:

representing parts of the community that had often been

Bill Tripp:

bitter enemies together, and they were talking about sitting

Bill Tripp:

down and hammering out a different vision for the future.

Bill Tripp:

To replace the lose/lose water battles of the past with

Bill Tripp:

something different.

Erica Terrence:

It was a large group of stakeholders-out of

Erica Terrence:

necessity-that had to be at the table for that process. So it

Erica Terrence:

was, you know, the four major tribes so, Yurok, Hoopa, Ka

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[Music shines through with electronic, stellar tones]

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uk, Klamath tribes at the t ble, commercial fishing interest

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, and sport fishing interests, h ndful of environmental gro

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ps-or conservation groups-wha ever you want to call

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hem, government agencies, State, Federal Bureau of Indian

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ffairs, BLM, BOR, Bureau of Rec amation had a lot to say abo

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t it, because they're so ent enched in how water is managed i

Erica Terrence:

So that was a lot of pretty . . . diverse

Erica Terrence:

the West, of course, the US Fis and Wildlife Service, they're r

Erica Terrence:

ally involved in all the biolo ical opinions about what s

Erica Terrence:

lmon need in rivers, and th n of course, agricultural inter

Erica Terrence:

sts were at the table too so you had federal irrigatio

Erica Terrence:

districts, and you had indivi ual farming and ranching inte

Erica Terrence:

ests a

Erica Terrence:

needs and interests.

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] Leaders from

Bill Tripp:

many different parts of the community, sitting down

Bill Tripp:

together, because as they said to me, you know, Senator, the

Bill Tripp:

only folks who are winning right now, are the lawyers.

Erica Terrence:

A lot of things went out on the table pretty

Erica Terrence:

quickly, right? I mean, for example, PacifiCore doesn't want

Erica Terrence:

any liability for removing dams, and the US Fish and Wildlife

Erica Terrence:

Service has legal obligations to protect salmon. But they're

Erica Terrence:

also, you know, responsible for having created these federal

Erica Terrence:

irrigation districts and kind of caring for those irrigation

Erica Terrence:

districts' interests. And obviously, tribes had already

Erica Terrence:

been fighting tooth and nail and had, you know, for more water in

the river:

enough to prevent fish kills, like the one that

the river:

happened in 2002.

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] As we say, in

the West, "Whiskey:

that's for drinking and Water: that's for

the West, "Whiskey:

fighting". But these folks said, we are going to pursue a

the West, "Whiskey:

different path. And I pledged that if they were able to

the West, "Whiskey:

develop a solution, I would do everything I could at the

the West, "Whiskey:

federal level to help implement it.

Erica Terrence:

So when I got in there, even though I had grown

Erica Terrence:

up here and was familiar with the place, in some ways, and the

Erica Terrence:

communities in some ways, was just a whole new world of a lot

Erica Terrence:

of lessons in politics, like a crash course in politics, and

Erica Terrence:

you know, I spent a lot of time listening and kind of

Erica Terrence:

interviewing people at the breaks, you know, we would like

Erica Terrence:

break for a caucus, for all the environmental groups to get on

Erica Terrence:

the same page or the tribal reps or-or the Ag guys to figure out

Erica Terrence:

how they wanted to respond to something and I would be busy,

Erica Terrence:

like pulling people aside and just trying to understand their

Erica Terrence:

perspectives to the point where I can form my own opinion about

Erica Terrence:

is the settlement good? Is it bad? Is it good enough? Like I

Erica Terrence:

said, they were not without contention. I ultimately raised

Erica Terrence:

the money and hired a couple of hydrologists to analyze those

Erica Terrence:

water models to make sure that there would be enough water in

Erica Terrence:

the river for fish. And we're running these really complex

Erica Terrence:

models to try to figure out how can we come up with water?

Erica Terrence:

Additional water, basically. Right? And, you know, a lot of

Erica Terrence:

the negotiating gets done at the bar, afterwards. It was a big

Erica Terrence:

lesson. Yeah. I mean, you know, a lot of that is about building

Erica Terrence:

trust, and you know, if you if you are going to the bar with

Erica Terrence:

the guy that used to be your enemy, you can;t probably

Erica Terrence:

completely hate him. You know, It's really about like, finding

Erica Terrence:

the inefficiencies in the system, you know, you can't

Erica Terrence:

like, make more water, and whether there's enough to go

Erica Terrence:

around . . . it has partly to do with how much you trust each

Erica Terrence:

other and how much you're willing to like, talk to your

Erica Terrence:

neighbor and take less than you think you should get just so the

Erica Terrence:

other guy gets by too.

Adam Huggins:

But even with the stakeholders willing to take

Adam Huggins:

risks and come together to manage the system, collectively,

Adam Huggins:

there was still no guarantee that there'd really be enough

Adam Huggins:

water to support the salmon.

Erica Terrence:

You need a minimum flow, there's like a

Erica Terrence:

floor number for fish to survive. And fish biologists at

Erica Terrence:

the tribes were looking at that and saying it's really not about

Erica Terrence:

the number, it's about getting the fluctuation in the

Erica Terrence:

hydrograph. Right? So you need the big water years in the

Erica Terrence:

winter to scour out the disease, the algae on the rocks, and to

Erica Terrence:

rearrange all the gravels that fish are going to spawn in, and

Erica Terrence:

to blow certain holes out, and build gravel bars and rock bars

Erica Terrence:

and other places, and create structure and complexity in the

Erica Terrence:

stream channel. That's really essential.

Music:

[Music fades out and is replaced by a river flowing over

Music:

rocks]

Mendel Skulski:

You're swimming up river now, and the water is

Mendel Skulski:

just bearable. It's tough going, but this is what you were born

Mendel Skulski:

to do. And every fiber of your being is bent on working your

Mendel Skulski:

way upstream, back to that riffle where you first came into

Mendel Skulski:

the world.

Music:

[Weird synthy noises fade in]

Mendel Skulski:

Suddenly though, the water around you is filled

Mendel Skulski:

with big chunks of green goo, giving the water and ugly smell

Mendel Skulski:

and clouding up the way forward. As you swim, little bits of it

Mendel Skulski:

break off and hang on your scales, trailing behind you.

Mendel Skulski:

It's coating all of the rocks along the side of the river, and

Mendel Skulski:

even spreading into the central flow.

Music:

[Resolves with gentle gong noise, as ruminating, tonal

Music:

music backdrops]

Adam Huggins:

Toxic algae blooms have become a pretty common

Adam Huggins:

occurrence in the Klamath River. Locals are used to being able to

Adam Huggins:

swim in the river in the springtime, but by June, the

Adam Huggins:

algae builds up to levels they make the river pretty

Adam Huggins:

uninviting. Most folks will head to cooler tributaries to swim in

Adam Huggins:

the summertime, the same places where Coho Salmon tend to find

Adam Huggins:

refuge from the higher temperatures that exist in the

Adam Huggins:

main stem of the river.

Erica Terrence:

And a water quality problem that became a

Erica Terrence:

centerpiece of the campaign to get the dams out was this toxic

Erica Terrence:

algae, this bright green-microcystis aeruginosa is

Erica Terrence:

the Latin name for it-and it's an algae bloom that produces a

Erica Terrence:

liver toxin, a hepatotoxin. And that can effect, a person, a

Erica Terrence:

dog, a deer-drinking from the river-a fisherman, whatever, you

Erica Terrence:

know, and it isn't something that will kill you right away,

Erica Terrence:

but it bio accumulates in your liver and can take years off

Erica Terrence:

your life. That algae species was found at levels 4000 times

Erica Terrence:

higher than the World Health Organization said was a moderate

Erica Terrence:

health risk. Because of solar radiation in those reservoirs,

Erica Terrence:

it's just a bathtub environment, right? It's the perfect

Erica Terrence:

conditions for that algae to thrive. You might get a little

Erica Terrence:

bit of it in a free flowing wild river, you know, but a very

Erica Terrence:

minimal amount and then it's-it's filtering itself a lot

Erica Terrence:

more, right? Sometimes you look at that river and you know you

Erica Terrence:

wouldn't want to get in it. You don't have to be a water quality

Erica Terrence:

scientists or work with the World Health Organization to

Erica Terrence:

know like, Nope! I should not swim in that.

Adam Huggins:

After years of negotiations-almost a decade-in

Adam Huggins:

2010, this large group of stakeholders come to an

Adam Huggins:

agreement that they can all get behind.

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] So these

Bill Tripp:

stakeholders have developed a collaborative agreement and

Bill Tripp:

signed it, called the Klamath Basin Restoration Agreement, or

Bill Tripp:

KBRA. The irrigators commit to reducing the total amount of

Bill Tripp:

water they take from the river, through a variety of

Bill Tripp:

conservation practices. They're working collaboratively with the

Bill Tripp:

community and these tribes to restore habitat. In exchange,

Bill Tripp:

they get certainty and predictability for guaranteed

Bill Tripp:

amounts of water. The tribes, and conservation groups, and

Bill Tripp:

fishing organizations agree to stop challenging these

Bill Tripp:

irrigators' water allocations, in exchange, they get a

Bill Tripp:

community partner to restore natural resources that are of

Bill Tripp:

cultural and economic importance to the tribe, and to help them

Bill Tripp:

reacquire some of the land they last 50 years ago; complementing

Bill Tripp:

all of this and augmenting the natural resource restoration, is

Bill Tripp:

a plan to remove four antiquated dams and open up new habitat for

Bill Tripp:

fish.

Adam Huggins:

Around the same time, PacifiCore decides that

Adam Huggins:

taking out all the dams is in its best interest as well.

Media:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] The private utility that

Media:

owns these dams, agrees that the best business decision is to

Media:

remove these dams. So this is a win-win situation, or actually a

Media:

win-win-win-win situation.

Adam Huggins:

Everything is set, the agreements are made. All

Adam Huggins:

that needs to happen now is congressional approval.

Music:

[Fades out]

Erica Terrence:

So the agreements needed congressional

Erica Terrence:

approval because some of the parties to the agreements were

Erica Terrence:

federal agencies, right?

Adam Huggins:

This was in 2010, the year Republicans took the

Adam Huggins:

house on the back of the Tea Party, and Congress decided to

Adam Huggins:

obstruct pretty much everything.

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] The

Bill Tripp:

development of the Klamath Basin restoration agreement is a

Bill Tripp:

historic step forward for the region, and if it were already

Bill Tripp:

in place, it would provide a powerful set of collaborative

Bill Tripp:

tools for dealing with droughts, for dealing with years when

Bill Tripp:

there is a shortage of water . . . But Congress has not yet

Bill Tripp:

acted. And those tools are not in place.

Adam Huggins:

So again, that was Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon

Adam Huggins:

trying to convince Congress in 2010 to support the agreement,

Adam Huggins:

but no dice.

Erica Terrence:

Some of the major roadblocks were these very

Erica Terrence:

ideological, entrenched folks in Siskiyou County...

Music:

[Ride of the Valkyires Returns]

Erica Terrence:

...who support dams on principle and even

Erica Terrence:

though these dams are hydroelectric dams, they don't

Erica Terrence:

provide any irrigation water, they don't provide any flood

Erica Terrence:

control, in fact, probably the opposite. They're kind of risky.

Erica Terrence:

They're still very opposed to dam removal, and I don't see

Erica Terrence:

that changing anytime soon. Some of them, their-their parents or

Erica Terrence:

their grandparents worked on building those dams. And it's

Erica Terrence:

just very hard to let go of dams representing progress, and, you

Erica Terrence:

know, there's that myth of dam-I mean, there are good dams and

Erica Terrence:

bad dams, for sure, on a much smaller scale, dams can be fine.

Erica Terrence:

But that myth of, you know, clean, green energy coming from

Erica Terrence:

dams of this size, and that, that power is easily replaceable

Erica Terrence:

by energy that would be at least as clean and green, much cleaner

Erica Terrence:

and greener, in fact.

Adam Huggins:

And so, these vocal constituents and their

Adam Huggins:

Republican representatives in Congress, were able to prevent

Adam Huggins:

congressional ratification of the deal in 2010, and 2011, and

Adam Huggins:

2012, 2013, 2014, and finally, in 2015, time had run out for

Adam Huggins:

the KBRA. The deal was set to expire completely if Congress

Adam Huggins:

ignored it again. And just imagine this agreement, with

Adam Huggins:

roots in a historic water crisis and fishkill, at the dawn of the

Adam Huggins:

new millennium, that has been painstakingly hammered out, and

Adam Huggins:

finally signed in 2010, nearly a decade later, this agreement

Adam Huggins:

sitting for five years in Congress, while the original

Adam Huggins:

stakeholders experienced drought year, after brutal drought year

Adam Huggins:

on the Klamath, and with fish populations dwindling, this

Adam Huggins:

agreement was about to fall apart. Here's Senator Merkley in

Adam Huggins:

2014 making his final, desperate appeal:

Bill Tripp:

[Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon] The Energy

Bill Tripp:

and Natural Resource committee voted the bill out of committee

Bill Tripp:

on a bipartisan basis. The Klamath County Chamber of

Bill Tripp:

Commerce has endorsed the bill, the Klamath County Farm Bureau

Bill Tripp:

has endorsed the bill, the Klamath County Cattlemen's

Bill Tripp:

Association, and the Statewide Oregon Cattlemen's Association

Bill Tripp:

have endorsed the bill. The Klamath Falls City Council has

Bill Tripp:

endorsed the bill, and the Oregon Water Resources Congress

Bill Tripp:

has endorsed the bill, the Senate has been ready to act.

Bill Tripp:

But the US House of Representatives has not. And so

Bill Tripp:

here we are, in the last days of this Congress, unable to

Bill Tripp:

complete this bill. They have done everything we could have

Bill Tripp:

ever asked the group to do to prepare for this legislation to

Bill Tripp:

be passed. But that cannot last forever, Congress has to act to

Bill Tripp:

seal the deal. Without cooperation, this vision so

Bill Tripp:

carefully, diligently, and painfully constructed over a

Bill Tripp:

years of involvement by community stakeholders will fall

Bill Tripp:

apart. This opportunity might not come again.

Adam Huggins:

And Congress did nothing.

Music:

[The final note of the Ride of the Valkyries plays

Music:

[

Music:

before a quick fade to silence]

Mendel Skulski:

Muscles burning, you forge ahead through algae

Mendel Skulski:

filled water, you've avoided parasites, predators, and

Mendel Skulski:

suffocation. You are a King among King Salmon, after all.

Mendel Skulski:

And as you swim, you imagine the beautiful gravel beds in the

Mendel Skulski:

tributary stream where you hatched. You imagine the mates

Mendel Skulski:

that you'll find there, and the thousands of fertilized eggs

Mendel Skulski:

you'll produce together.

Music:

[Quick bubbly noise]

Mendel Skulski:

You imagine-

Music:

[Silence]

Adam Huggins:

But you're gonna have to hold that thought,

Adam Huggins:

because the dams are still there.

Erica Terrence:

Well, as I said, fish can no longer get to that

Erica Terrence:

upper 100 plus miles of habitat. It's really great habitat,

Erica Terrence:

especially for Spring Chinook, a lot of tributaries that they

Erica Terrence:

would have utilized quite a bit.

Adam Huggins:

So for now, everything is hanging in the

Adam Huggins:

balance.

Erica Terrence:

For right now, what we're doing is this kind of

Erica Terrence:

stopgap, like keep Coho alive by building them these little ponds

Erica Terrence:

that they can survive in! You know, but ultimately, what we

Erica Terrence:

need is this bigger scale work, you know, that can only happen

Erica Terrence:

with dam removal.

Adam Huggins:

But there is some hope on the horizon. And next

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episode, we're heading up to the Olympic Peninsula in Washington

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to see what might be possible for rivers like the Klamath.

Music:

[Morphed bubbles, then an upbeat, confident jam fades in

am Huggins and Mendel Skulski:

[simultaniously] Jump! [Splash]

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1-2-3:

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Thanks for listening. We'll be back in a

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couple of weeks. Please tell everyone you know, subscribe,

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rate, and review the show, wherever podcasts can be found.

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It really helps us get the word out.

Mendel Skulski:

In this episode, you heard: Ryan Hilperts, Erica

Mendel Skulski:

Terrance, Bill Tripp, and Senator Jeff Merkley via c-span.

Adam Huggins:

This has been an independent production of Future

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Ecologies. Our first season is supported, in part, by the

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Vancouver Foundation. If you'd like to help us make the show,

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you can support us on Patreon. We have a whole series of

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mini-episodes available to our supporters. To get access to

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them, head to Patreon.com/FutureEcologies.

Mendel Skulski:

You can also follow us on Facebook,

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Instagram, and iNaturalist. The handle is always Future

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Ecologies.

Mendel Skulski:

[Music relaxes into a gentle, guitar rhythm]

Adam Huggins:

Special thanks to Jose Isordia, Kirsty Johnstone

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Munroe Cameron, Ilana Fonariov, and Andrjez Kozlowski.

Mendel Skulski:

Music in this episode was produced by: Brian

Mendel Skulski:

D. Tripp, Loam Zoku, Kieran Fearing, Sour Gout, the Western

Mendel Skulski:

Family String Band...

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...the Clan Stewart Pipe Band...

Mendel Skulski:

...and Sunfish Moonlight. You can find a full

Mendel Skulski:

list of musical credits, show notes, and links on our website:

Mendel Skulski:

FutureEcologies.net.

Adam Huggins:

Finally, we'd like to extend our extra special

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thanks to Skyler Lindbergh and Vincent van Haaff for untangling

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some seriously garbled audio for us. We could not have done this

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episode without you. Thank you.

Music:

[Guitar plays out into the jumping-into-the-water audio

Music:

from earlier, people can be heard treading water]

Adam Huggins:

Oh Barnacles! Oh that was great

Unknown:

Yeah!

Adam Huggins:

I feel so

Mendel Skulski:

[Laughs]

Adam Huggins:

I feel so good

Female Voice:

[Cries out as they leap into the water] Sorry! I

Female Voice:

keep forgetting I'm not supposed to make noise. I think I've just

Female Voice:

been introduced on your podca-[Laughs]

Mendel Skulski:

Did you scream during the jump?

Female Voice:

Yes! [Unintelligible]

Unknown:

[All laugh]

Adam Huggins:

Oh my god.

Female Voice:

We'll have to do it again then

Mendel Skulski:

I could do that one more. You've already done it

Mendel Skulski:

once

Female Voice:

Okay, I'll be quiet

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