How do we know for certain that Yeshua is the prophesied Messiah? In this week's episode of Our Hope Podcast 🎙, Chosen People Ministries' staff member Robert Walter helps us unpack how Jesus fulfills the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh, or Old Testament. Listen now!

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“There will be no

end to the increase

of His government

or of peace, On

the throne of David

and over his kingdom, To

establish it

and to uphold it with justice

and righteousness From then on

and forevermore. The

zeal of the Lord of hosts

will accomplish this.”

Isaiah 9:7.

This is one of many prophecies

about the Messiah

in the Tanakh, or

the Old Testament.

When we think about

the question, “Did

Jesus fulfill the

Messianic prophecies?”,

we would first

need to understand what

these prophecies reveal

about the Messiah.

Isaiah chapter

9 is one prophecy

that has stirred a deep longing

for a perfect King,

who would bring about

the promised age of world

peace and justice.

One thing both Jewish

people and believers in

Jesus would agree on

is that the Messiah is

to fulfill

such a glorious role.

His Kingdom will be perfect,

without any injustice

or suffering.

However,

one of the main objections

to Yeshua fulfilling

this Messianic prophecy

is that though He came

2,000 years ago,

there is still no peace

in this world.

But there are many other

prophecies in the Tanakh,

and today we will attempt

to understand them in relation

to who this Messiah is—is

it Yeshua,

or are we waiting for

a different Messiah?

Joining us today for this

discussion is Chosen

People Ministries'

staff member, Robert Walter.

I now introduce

the host of Our Hope

Podcast, Abe Vazquez.

Robert.

I have a bone to pick with you.

Okay Abe.

Hello, by the way.

Oh, hello.

I forgot we're supposed

to start with "hellos".

Well, Robert,

you were one of

our first guests

on Our Hope Podcast,

and now it seems

you went off and started

your own radio program.

So, you're on over

a hundred stations

across the US and you're

co-hosting with Dr.

Mitch Glaser.

Where's the loyalty man?

You know

there comes a time

and person's life

where they just have to sort of

dive out of the nest

and begin flapping

their wings, Abe.

I mean, you know,

don't take it personally,

you're my friend.

You know, you're my coworker.

I love you, you're

my brother in Messiah.

But you know, it is what it is.

Well, well thanks.

Thanks man.

No, but in all seriousness, I

think this radio broadcast

that we're doing

is really awesome.

It's called the Chosen People,

co-hosted by Dr.

Mitch Glaser and Robert Walter.

Do you want to talk

a little bit

about some of the topics

you all cover

and some of the guests

that we have on that?

Yeah, yeah, actually,

it's been a great experience.

So far.

We've been on the air

for just over a month now

and it's

been a learning experience

and we've talked about

some really exciting stuff

like Messianic Prophecy,

which I believe

we're going to be

discussing today

as Nicole mentioned,

and we've had

some great guests.

We've had Dr.

Michael Rydelnik

from Open Line Radio joined us

and we've got some more guests

lined up in the next

coming months

that I'm pretty excited

about as well. Awesome!

Well, congratulations.

Don't forget about us.

Yeah.

Diving into today's topic,

this question of

"Did Jesus fulfill

the Messianic prophecies?"

I think it's a pretty big one.

There are lots of

messianic prophecies

throughout Scripture

and there are

many interpretations of it,

depending on who you ask.

And we we know that

these prophecies

point to Jesus,

but there are many

who just don't believe

that and struggle with that

so we're hoping that

in the short time

that we have on this podcast

that we can answer that

question, "Did

Jesus really fulfill

these messianic prophecies?"

So one of the first prophecies,

and I think this is the obvious

and most popular

one, is Isaiah 53.

This chapter

in the Book of Isaiah.

Many Jewish people claim

that this prophecy

is about Israel and

not the Messiah.

Robert, can you unpack why

they believe this?

Yeah, yeah,

well this is a pretty important

one and a common objection

and I think part of

the reason is because

when you read that chapter

and you know

we always say Isaiah 53,

but really it goes

from Isaiah 52:13

through chapter 53:12.

And it's an amazing prophecy

because it clearly lays

out the suffering,

the humble beginnings,

the death, the burial,

the resurrection

of one innocent,

blameless human being, one man,

who goes through all of this

suffering and lays

down His life

and actually dies

for a purpose,

to pay for the crimes, sins

and transgressions

of what's called

the many

– so many other people,

including Israel

and the nations as well.

So it's, you know,

there's a global impact

that the death of

this servant of God has,

according to Isaiah 53.

So, many, many Jewish

people over the years

have come to faith

in Jesus in Yeshua

through Isaiah 53.

The Jewish community –

what has developed over

the years is sort

of an

alternative interpretation

of that chapter,

of that prophecy.

And like you said,

the primary recommendation

now, or the primary suggestion

now is that

the servant of Isaiah 53

is not talking about

the individual Messiah,

but that it's talking about

the nation of Israel.

Interesting.

And this

really became popular

in the Middle Ages,

and there were three

really prominent

Rabbinic voices

that began to suggest

and push this interpretation.

One was Radak,

another was Ibn Ezra

and then the third was Rashi.

And Rashi is, I mean

he is appealed to

by the religious

Jewish community

as an authoritative voice,

even to this day.

I mean very, very

prolific commentator

on the Old Testament

and on Jewish life

and Jewish interpretation

of the Torah, of the prophets,

of the writings and tradition,

and all of that.

So there's there's like,

you know, different

suggestions on why

this became the prevalent

interpretation of Isaiah

53 in that time.

One suggestion, some believe

that it was actually a reaction

to Christian

missionaries, Christians

coming and bringing Isaiah

53 to the Jewish community

and pointing out

how much it sounds like Jesus

and how Jesus must

be the One who fulfills this.

So as a reaction

to that, this alternative

interpretation was developed

that no,

no, it's talking about,

not the Messiah, it's

talking about Israel.

So is it unfounded?

Well, yes, and no.

There are textual reasons

why the Jewish community

and leaders in the Jewish

community adhere to

this interpretation.

One is

with the use of the word Evatt.

Evatt is a Hebrew word.

It means servant,

and in this section of Isaiah

you know,

Isaiah is an amazing book

and an amazing prophecy.

The first 39 chapters of Isaiah

have a certain tone

and a certain certain focus.

Once you hit chapter 40

that tone

and that focus changes,

you get into a much

more hopeful picture

and a lot more promises

that God gives to Israel

in Isaiah chapter

40 through chapter 66.

And in this section,

beginning in Isaiah 42,

we have what are called

the Servant Songs of Isaiah,

the Servant Songs of Isaiah.

So, these are Isaiah 42:1–4,

Isaiah 49:1–6, Isaiah 50:4–7,

and Isaiah 52:13 through 53:12.

Now when we look

at these servants songs

that word "eved" is

used for servants and sometimes

in these chapters

the servant is referring

to the nation.

You know, it's valid.

In Isaiah 41, Isaiah 42,

Isaiah 43, 44, 45,

and even in Isaiah 48:20,

the word servant is

used to describe

the nation of Israel.

In other cases,

in these chapters

"eved", the word

servant is used to refer

to a righteous individual.

So, once we get to Isaiah

49:3, Isaiah 49:5–7

Isaiah 49:5–7, Isaiah 50:10.

Now we're looking at the use

of the word servant

as describing this

righteous individual,

who we later

realize is the Messiah.

Now, in some some cases

and some of the verses,

it's unclear

who we're talking about.

It could be the nation.

It could be an individual,

but really there's only like

two or three verses

in the whole section.

Isaiah 42:1, Isaiah 44:1–2

where we're not totally sure,

but what we do see

what we can say with confidence

is that once we get to

Isaiah 48:20 and forward

every use of "eved", of servant

is focused in on an individual.

It's talking about

a righteous individual.

So once we get to Isaiah 53,

Isaiah is focusing more

and more.

You know

it's almost like you know

he begins with sort of

like a broad view

of the servant of the nation,

and then he begins

to hone in on this one

righteous individual

who's a member of

the nation, who's

connected to the nation, right?

But he comes into

focus more and more.

Yeah, I think there is

a few reasons why

we can point to the fact

that it's an individual,

not the entire nation.

I mean, how can Israel

be cut off for Israel?

Or how could Israel,

you know, die for Israel.

Right.

Right, and you know

there are a few

other reasons why

you know, it kind of

doesn't make sense.

I mean, granted

there are certain Hebrew

words and verbs that

are used in Isaiah 53

in that chapter that are plural

rather than singular,

but it doesn't really,

it

doesn't detract from the fact

that it's talking about

an individual, alright.

Okay, so Nicole,

you mentioned how Israel

cannot be cut off

from the land of the living

for the sake of Israel,

and even for the other nations.

But another like

really strong reason

why it's talking

about an individual

and not the nation

is because of how

the servant is portrayed.

This servant, He's portrayed

as being righteous,

as being blameless,

as not being deserving

of this suffering

that He's enduring.

Well, let's ask

a follow-up question to that,

and honestly, I'm

like indebted to Dr.

Michael Brown

for laying this out.

You know, I was able to

sit under his tutelage

and really dig deep into Isaiah

53 a number of years ago.

And when we look at

how Israel is described

in other places in Isaiah

or even in other places

in the Tanakh and

the other prophets,

so if we look in in Jeremiah

in Jeremiah 32:28–36

or in Ezekiel 5:5–17,

or if we look in

even other prophets like Hosea

and Amos.

The way that Israel is

described is not

is not righteous.

That's not how Israel

is described at all.

Israel as a nation

is being chastised

by these prophets

because of her sin.

You know that

that's a big reason

that God even sends

the prophets to begin with.

He sends the prophes

not just to you know, foretell

what's going to happen

in the future,

the prophets are sent

by God to Israel or to Judah,

or to a certain tribe,

or to a certain individual,

whoever it is,

and they're sent with a purpose

of pointing out and calling out

the sin of the nation

or the tribe or the individual,

or whoever it is

and giving a call

to repentance.

Calling out to that

person or that nation

to come back to God

to turn away from sin

and to come back to the Lord.

And in the process

these prophets will

will foretell

what's going to happen

and what is still yet

to come in the future.

But this really speaks

to a big part of the

principle of prophecy.

God gives prophecy,

not so that we'll just know

what's going to happen

in the future, but

prophecy is given

so that it impacts

how we live right now.

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So Robert,

I remember reading in Genesis 3

after the fall, after Adam

and Eve sinned,

God says to Adam and Eve that

the seed of the woman

would be at emnity

with the serpent,

and that he will

crush the Serpent's head,

and the serpent

will bruise his heel

and we see that as a prophecy

that Yeshua fulfilled.

How does the Jewish

community interpret this

and how do we know that

Yeshua fulfilled this?

Yeah, that's that's

an excellent question.

As far as how the Jewish

community interprets

that particular promise,

it isn't necessarily

given the same kind of weight

that it is in the

Christian community today.

I mean, it's

an important passage

because it really sort of

introduces this, you know,

it's almost like the

first note in a song

that begins to build and play

throughout the rest

of the Torah –

the first five books –

and you know all of Scripture,

the prophets, the writings

and ultimately we would believe

in the New Testament as well.

And

that passage is considered

the first Messianic

prophecy in the Bible.

Right.

It's

considered the first

promise from God

that He would send

this special, unique individual

who would come to take care

of the sin

problem in the world.

I mean, if you look at what's

going on there, Adam and Eve,

like you said,

they've just sinned,

they've rebelled.

They've fallen short

and the first thing

that they did after

they sinned and realized

that they had done wrong

is they try to hide

in their guilt in their shame.

Yeah.

And I love that this prophecy

is given by God Himself.

It's the first one given,

and it's not given

through a prophet

or through a mouthpiece.

It's given directly by God.

Right.

And that it's a promise

made directly from Him,

which is pretty cool.

Yeah, that

is pretty amazing

because it's not in you know

there's not visions or

awkward sayings.

This is God Himself

promising this

and prophesying here.

So that is pretty powerful

when you look at

and begin to sort of dissect

the promise that God makes.

He's describing

the suffering servant there.

He's describing a servant

who's going to have

a unique birth.

Who's going to enter

into the world in

a very unique way.

You know, well,

how can we say that?

He's speaking to the serpent

and He says that the seed

of the woman right?

Now, the seed of the

woman, biologically

even back then, in

the ancient Near

East they understood that

the man had the seed

part, not the woman.

So right away

just in saying that

it would be the seed

of the woman, it lets us know

that this Savior

would have unique origins,

that He would be

born miraculously,

and God has a track record

of doing this throughout

the Old Testament

we see some miraculousness

conceptions and miraculous

births, right?

We see with Abraham and Sarah

later on in Genesis,

as they in Genesis 18,

you know they're they're old.

Abraham is very old

and Sarah is beyond

childbearing years,

which means that

her womb is dead.

She cannot bear a child

naturally, but yet God promises

that a year later

he would return and she

would have a son Isaac,

and sure enough,

a year goes by God visits again

and she has a son,

and his name is Isaac.

God intervened

into a barren place of death

and brought life

and brought the son

of promise right?

And then even later on in

Isaiah 7, you know we have the

famous prophecy about

the Virgin

will conceive and give birth,

and ultimately when we come

to the New Testament,

we see that Yeshua,

Jesus was

miraculously conceived

and in the womb of a virgin

by the

power of the Holy Spirit,

and He had these unique

origins.

This unique birth experience.

So when that

particular prophecy says

the seed of the woman

will crush the Serpent's head,

what does that actually mean?

Yeah, yeah.

So again, when we begin

to like, dissect that prophecy,

this is really important

because the picture is painted

that the seed of the woman,

this special unique individual,

who has this special unique

origin and miraculous birth

that

a big part of the reason

of His coming, of His service

is He would crush the head

of the

serpent, and in the process

His heel

would be bruised, right?

He would suffer in the process

of crushing the head

of the serpent.

Now in the ancient Near

East, in the Bible,

I mean we have examples of this

to crush someone's head

or to even remove

someone's head.

Okay, like

you think of King David

when he slayed Goliath.

What did he do as Goliath's

corpse was laying there

on the battlefield?

He went over, took the blade

and chopped his head off

and then and then showed it

to the Philistines

and that is what struck

fear into their hearts

and caused them to scatter.

Why?

Because in the ancient Near

East, in this world,

to take someone's head or crush

someone's head meant that

you were taking

all of their life force,

all of their power, right?

So for the

the Messiah,

ultimately in Genesis 3

to crush

the head of the serpent means

that He is putting

a final end to the serpent,

the deceiver, the enemy, right?

Who crept in

and introduced all this chaos

into creation

as he deceived Eve.

And what's also amazing

is that His heel

would be bruised as He crushed

the head of the serpent,

so in the process

of gaining victory

over the enemy, over

sin, over death,

He would suffer.

And to be wounded on your heel

in that world,

it was a death sentence.

You know, whether

you were an animal

or a human right?

I mean, we even think of

like Greek mythology.

Achilles.

Achilles, exactly yeah,

I mean his weak spot

was his heel.

So to have a bruised

heel meant that you would die

that you wouldn't

be able to fend for yourself.

You wouldn't be able

to keep up with the tribe.

You wouldn't be able

to provide for yourself.

It was a death sentence.

So ultimately,

when we come to

the New Testament

and we look at the

Ministry of Jesus,

the service of Jesus

as the Messiah, we see that

a big part of the role

of the Messiah here

was to suffer that

it was through suffering

that He would achieve

and obtain the victory.

So Robert,

you know there's

some people who would say that

if Yeshua really is

the Messiah then He failed.

Which is funny,

because if He failed

He wouldn't be the

Messiah, but anyways,

and their rationale

behind that is that

He was supposed to bring peace

and we know that

there are themes

and certain scriptures

that talk about, for example,

Nicole read it earlier,

Isaiah 9:7.

But I'll read from 6 to 7, "For

a child will be born to us.

A son will be given to us

and the government will rest

on his shoulders and his name

will be called

wonderful counselor,

Mighty God, Eternal Father,

Prince of Peace.

There will be no end

to the increase

of his government or

of peace,

on the throne of David

and over his Kingdom

to establish it

and to uphold it with justice

and righteousness.

From then on and forever

more, the zeal of

the Lord of hosts

will accomplish this.:

That's Isaiah 9:6–7.

So what does Judaism teach

regarding the prophecies

about what the Messiah will do?

Yeah, so

this is a question

or even an objection

that we get pretty often,

quite frequently,

when we're talking with Jewish

people and it's valid,

I mean it's a valid question.

Like if I was Jewish,

I would want to know,

hey, if He's the Messiah,

then why is there no peace?

And why is this a question?

Well, because of

what you just read,

you know,

and multiple other passages

in the Tanakh, in

the Old Testament.

The coming of the

Messiah is equated

with the coming of peace,

where Israel's

enemies are put at bay

or are destroyed

and the Messiah establishes

His throne in Jerusalem,

and He rules and reigns

from that throne, and finally

everything is set straight,

everything is good, right?

Everything is restored

and we have peace.

We have Shalom, everything

in its right place.

How do we respond to this?

I always like to mention that

Jesus was Jewish, right?

Jesus was Jewish, He knew this.

He knew very well

these these prophecies.

He knew the description

of the Messiah.

He knew what people

were expecting

about the Messiah yet

He still claimed

to be the Messiah.

He made that claim, you know,

through His words,

through His actions.

Yeshua, Jesus made this claim.

He stood up in read one.

In Synagogue, yeah.

Exactly, exactly.

Which is which

is insane to me.

I love that.

Like, He's stood up

and read a prophecy

Right.

And then He says,

"This was fulfilled

in your Presence."

Yeah, it's like

the ultimate mic drop.

Yeah, ultimate mic drop.

What would they have drop back

then? Like, I don't know.

A Shofar drop.

Shofar drop!

Yeah, so

you know how

could He be aware

of these prophecies

and these expectations

about the Messiah,

and these promises

about the Messiah like this?

God said this, this is

going to happen, right?

So how could He do that

and yet still make

these claims to be the Messiah?

And when He came the first time

He didn't usher

in that peace yet,

He didn't usher in the fullness

of all those Kingdom promises

that we see in the Tanakh,

so there must

be something more.

There must be something more

that is being left

out of the objection.

And sure enough, Jesus himself

spoke about this in Luke

17:22–25, He's talking

about the time

of the Son of Man

and He makes this statement

where He says that

first OK,

as He's describing this

the day of the Son of Man

and the time of the Son of Man,

He says, first, He

the Messiah must suffer.

Okay, that's Luke 17:25.

But first,

He must suffer many things

and be

rejected by His generation.

So where does that come from?

Did Jesus just make

that up in that moment?

Well, no, no, because again,

we look back into the Tanakh.

We look back into

the Old Testament,

and you know, we've talked

about a number

of these passages already,

but

Isaiah 53 is a prime example

where we see that

the Messiah must suffer first.

Before you get to

the end of chapter 53 in Isaiah

where you see the Messiah,

you see the rejoicing,

you see the intercession,

you see things set

straight, you see peace,

right before you get there

and actually the means

of arriving at that place

is through the suffering

of the Messiah.

You see it in Genesis 3, right?

We talked about that.

You see it in Zachariah 12,

before this fountain

is opened up in Jerusalem

that brings fresh living water

to the nation to the city

before all of that happens,

the Messiah returns.

And it's described

as such a powerful moment

where God is speaking

and He says you will

look upon me whom

you have pierced

and mourn for Him

as one mourns for an only son.

So the suffering

is the prerequisite,

the suffering is

what's required before

we get to the fullness of all

those promises about peace.

Something that both

the Jewish community

and believers in Jesus share

is that we're both longing

for this

Messianic age of peace.

So how can we I guess,

reach out or just comfort

people who are waiting for it.

What can we point to

in the Old Testament,

in the Tanakh that

points to the second coming

and what's

happening in the future?

So let me let me answer that

in two different ways.

First, I think it's

incredibly important

for us as believers to realize

and recognize, and

walk in this truth

that we are citizens

of that Kingdom.

That Kingdom of peace

that's described

that you read about in

Isaiah 9, we are

citizens of that Kingdom.

We have a taste of

that Kingdom even.

We have God's presence,

His Holy Spirit

dwelling inside of us.

So naturally

we should be

walking in the Spirit

and letting our light shine

so that other people

can recognize the

difference in us,

not because of who we are,

but because of who

the Messiah is

and what He's done

in our lives.

Yeshua said it Himself,

they'll know us,

they'll know that

we are His disciples

by our love

for one another, right?

So it's not, you know,

how good our Hebrew is, or

how good our Yiddish is or

what nice people

we are,

Or who's right.

Or who's right.

Trying to win an argument?

Yeah, yeah.

It's our love right?

The love of God being lived

out in our lives

and being recognized.

It's important,

you know, to know

the scriptures.

It's important to

do all these things

but the one thing that stands

out is the love.

Second part of the answer to

the question is where

can we look in the Tanakh?

Where can we look in

the Old Testament where we see

the second coming,

where we see the return of

the king, the Messiah.

And what comes to

my mind is Ezekiel, Ezekiel 37.

So when you look

in Ezekiel 37:1–14

or you know honestly

the whole chapter.

But the first 14 verses

really describe this

End Time regathering

and rebirth of the

Nation of Israel

and it's split up

into two phases.

You have a physical

regathering of the people,

the descendants of Abraham,

Isaac, and Jacob

to the physical land of Israel.

The land of promise.

And then that's

the first phase.

The second phase

is a spiritual regeneration

of the entire nation.

God breathing life, His spirit

into a nation

that is, you know, described

as spiritually dead.

But then they are resurrected

by this power of

God, by the Spirit of God.

And then you

keep reading, right?

We keep reading.

We see the divided Kingdom,

the ten tribes in

the North Israel

and the southern tribes Judah

reunited, right?

God is bringing things

back together.

He's restoring his

people in the land.

OK,

and this is all End Time stuff.

And then we come

to the last section

beginning in verse 24, right?

It says this, my servant David.

So you think just

those few words

there, my servant

David will be king over them,

and they will all

have one shepherd.

I mean, we could

we could spend an hour

just unpacking that verse

in all of those words

that are used to describe

this individual.

He's a servant.

He's a descendant of David

right? He's a king.

He's a shepherd.

These are all Messianic terms.

These are Messiah-like terms

and you know, I always,

I always like

to use the analogy

of a lightning rod.

I used to live in

South Florida, okay,

and there are more

lightning strikes in Florida

than I think anywhere else

in the in the world.

But maybe not the world,

but in the UK.

You can fact check me on that.

We will.

Yes, you will.

Thank you.

So some houses down there

will have lightning rods

on the top of the house

because a lightning rod,

what does it do?

It attracts the electricity

so that rather than

hitting the house,

it will hit the lightning rod

and then that's it.

It's done right?

It doesn't do damage right?

So Yeshua, Jesus

is like the lightning rod

and the strikes of lightning

are all of these prophecies

and they all find

their fullness in

the lightning rod

in the One person.

So when we think about

the king, boom, that's Jesus.

The descendant of David,

boom, that's Jesus.

The shepherd, boom, that's Him.

The seed of the woman,

boom, that's Him.

The prophet like Moses,

boom, that's Him right?

The line of the tribe

of Judah, boom

that's that's Him.

OK and In Ezekiel

37 here He's

using these multiple words

to describe this individual

who's there as king over

Israel,

ushering in His Kingdom.

And I'll just keep reading,

right?

So Ezekiel 37:24, "And

they will walk in my ordinances

and keep my statutes

and observe them.

They will live on the land

that I gave

to Jacob my servant,

in which your fathers lived,

and they will live on it.

They and their sons

and their sons, sons

forever, and David

my servant,

will be their Prince

forever." Okay,

so this is an eternal throne

an enternal Kingdom

being ushered in

fulfillment of prophecy.

Verse 26, "I will make

a covenant of peace with them.

It will be an everlasting

covenant with them,

and I will place them

in, multiply them,

and will set my sanctuary

in their midst forever.

My dwelling place

also will be with them,

and I will be their God,

and they will be my people,

and the nations will know

that I am the Lord

who sanctifies Israel.

And when my sanctuary

is in their midst forever."

So to me, when we take

all of these things

that we've discussed, that

when we take the full picture

that's painted of the Messiah

in the Tanakh

in the Old Testament,

and we look for passages

of hope, passages

where we can turn to

to see that yes,

this king is coming back

and things will be set straight

and we will know

full, complete, perfect peace

at some point in the future

and it's coming through

Yeshua and again

when we take the full picture,

we understand that

He must suffer first.

With that

even after the suffering,

even after He's at that,

that lowest place possible

in the grave, right?

Even beyond that, one day,

just as sure as He

rose from the dead

and ascended into heaven

where He's seated now

at the right hand of power,

He's coming back to usher in

exactly what we just

read in Ezekiel 37.

And what's

exciting about that

is that's one covenant

that still has yet

to be fulfilled.

The Covenant of Peace.

Abe:

So Robert, to wrap things up,

I guess we just really have

one final question.

Did Jesus fulfill

the Messianic prophecies?

I would say yes.

I would say yes.

I mean, I'm biased,

but

He's fulfilled

so many prophecies that we find

in the Tanakh,

in the Old Testament,

and we learn

about His fulfillment

of these prophecies

in the New Testament.

You know

it's all one united message,

and He has fulfilled

what needed to be

fulfilled already.

He still will fulfill

the things that are pending.

Bonus question,

in your expertise

is there a resource or book

that you would suggest

to people that could help

cover some more of this?

I mean, there's tons

of Messianic prophecies

and we really only

talked about three.

And you know we are thinking

about dedicating

a whole Our Hope season

to Messianic prophecies.

If a listener wanted

to dive deeper into this,

what would you suggest?

Besides scripture.

Yeah. Yeah no.

I mean this is a

very important question too,

because there's a

ton of resources out there

and we need to know like, okay,

well, what's good, what's,

you know, what's legit

,what's credible?

And when it comes

to understanding

Messianic prophecy,

what I would recommend

right now is a book

that was released in 2019.

It's called "The Moody

Handbook of

Messianic Prophecy".

The Moody Handbook

of Messianic Prophecy.

You can get it on Amazon.

You can get it on Chosen

People website as well.

In our store.

Just go to

chosenpeople.com/store.

It is an excellent resource,

very thorough, over 1000 pages

and if you want to dig deep

into some of these prophecies

this is the resource for you.

You need to get it.

You need to have it

in your library. I'm sorry.

Okay, just do it.

That's awesome,

well Robert,

thank you for joining us.

Thank you for breaking down

these few out of many

Messianic prophecies

and trying to tackle

a beast of a topic in just,

I don't even know

how long this was,

30 to 40 minutes.

We can go on and on and on.

I know we really could.

Thanks, Robert.

Yeah.

Well, thank you again

for having me Abe and Nicole.

I appreciate you both.

God bless you

and I'll see you on the radio.

“And the Word became flesh,

and dwelt among us,

and we saw His glory, glory

as of the only begotten

from the Father, full of grace

and truth.” John 1:14

It is a historical fact

that Jesus of Nazareth

walked this Earth

two thousand years ago.

He was born of a

virgin, suffered,

and died a criminal’s death.

As we have discussed

in this episode,

these are only a few of the

many reasons why we believe

Yeshua is the promised Messiah.

And just as He came

to pay the price for our sins,

Yeshua is coming again!

This time, He is coming

as the great King,

who will establish peace

on Earth,

upholding it with justice

and righteousness forevermore.

For many Jewish people,

it is hard to believe that

Jesus could ever

bring peace to earth

because of the church’s history

of persecuting

the chosen people.

So next week,

we will tackle another

challenging question

does

believing in Jesus

lead antisemitism?

One of our staff

members from Israel

will be joining us,

so we hope you will tune in

to hear what he has to say

about this important topic.

Thank you for listening

to this week’s

episode of Our Hope, featuring

Chosen People Ministries’

Director of Publications,

Neal Surasky.

This episode was

produced by Nicole Vacca

and written and edited

by Grace Swee.

This episode was also

Dr.

Mitch Glaser and

Kieran Bautista.

I’m Abe Vazquez.

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