The tinfoil hats come back out as Laura and Xhafer round up Bob, Kristin, and Ryan for one last pass at Battlestar's unanswered questions and the series' highlights and lowlights.

Who Are You? will return October 14th with the BSG film The Plan.

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well-done sci-fi

watch cast where we have finished

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2004's Battlestar Galactica, and this

is just here for us to talk about

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that and not a specific episode.

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I'm Jafer

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Laura: And I'm Laura

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Xhafer: And we have a lot to go over today

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Laura: I suspect so.

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I kinda have, even though we've

taken a little space, we gave

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me a little breathing room to,

like, think about my thoughts,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: have that thing that I

suspect all first-time watchers

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have when they get to the end,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: they don't quite remember things

that happened early on or, like, the

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: which things happened

or, like, you know, I, I just

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If you asked me to go back and pull,

like, "Hey, what were all the plot

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holes in Battlestar Galactica?"

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I would be very recency

biased to fourth season.

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And if there were other

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: there, I have

no idea what they were.

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Like

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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No, that's fair.

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I guess I, I got a couple

things I want us to do.

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I figure we'll just have

mostly have a conversation.

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I have a list of, like, Screen Rant's

top 10 unanswered Battlestar Galactica

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questions that we can go through.

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Laura: Uh-huh

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, Xhafer: And then I also have had

conversations with a number of our

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guests recently, that we'll cut over

to in this episode where it makes

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sense, where we talk about some of

the stuff that we'll be talking about.

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So some I might … If I d- if, if there's

things that I wanna make sure get in

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here, I might just be like, "Hey, so I

talked to Ryan about this," and then,

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Laura: Угу

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Xhafer: about that for a minute, and

then play Ryan and I's conversation.

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So that's kinda how I'm

feeling the vibe out.

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Um, so not your typical episode,

not even your … for us, not even

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your typical recap episode for us.

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Um, I didn't prepare any games,

any best ofs, any quizzes,

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Laura: हाँ।

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Xhafer: no Mount Rushmores, no fan

castings none of that stuff that we'd

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normally do, just because there's so

much around this show to still talk about

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: that I wanna make sure we do

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Laura: That sounds good to me

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Xhafer: Especially before

we move on to uh, Caprica.

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Well, we'll do The Plan next, and

then Caprica, and then Blood and

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Chrome, and then Farscape is the plan.

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And we'll have a, we'll have a more

traditional recap episode of everything

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in the canon once we've gone through that.

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So let's start with anything, any

burning questions you have, I guess.

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What have you been sp- like, you've been

preparing for this you know, this episode.

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You've been thinking about the show.

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You- obviously you're sitting

with it having just finished

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it for the first time.

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What are you spending that time

thinking about when you're thinking

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about this, recording this episode?

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Laura: Mostly that, like, I get it

for people who were disappointed

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by the ending of the show.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: I, I kinda wondered when we started

this, like, well, is it one of those

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things where just, like, people got really

into it, and then when it ended, it…

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nothing was gonna be satisfying?

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Um, no, I think there were some things

that could've been more satisfying.

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Xhafer: For sure.

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I had a really good conversation with Bob

about this actually, um, where we talked

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about explicitly, like, the pacing and

the last, like, 20 minutes of the show.

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BobSht: it also tears your heart out, uh,

when, uh, Bill's in the Raptor with Laura

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and they're flying over the flamingos,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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BobSht: she just quietly passes away.

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uh, he takes his wedding ring

off and puts it on her, and it's

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like, she's been his wife for

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Someone ask starbees if it hurt when she fell from heaven:

Yeah

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BobSht: before that.

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Someone ask starbees if it hurt when she fell from heaven:

Yeah.

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BobSht: this woman was his wife,

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Someone ask starbees if it hurt when she fell from heaven:

yeah.

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BobSht: know?

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And, but, you know, he puts the ring

on her, so that's always on her.

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he looks over and he sees that's

where he's gonna build the cabin.

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It doesn't look like a very great

spot to build a cabin, though.

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It's not the most scenic

spot to build a cabin.

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It's like, it's not close to water, and

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Someone ask starbees if it hurt when she fell from heaven:

It's supposed to be at the

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mouth of a river, right?

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BobSht: Yeah,

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Someone ask starbees if it hurt when she fell from heaven:

say that like 20 times.

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BobSht: you know, it's like

that's where he's gonna build it.

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And, then the scene where he,

Bill's sitting alone, he's like,

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"The sunrise reminds me of you."

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And for me, that's where the series ends.

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Whenever I

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Someone ask starbees if it hurt when she fell from heaven:

Yeah

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BobSht: Daybreak, I hit stop right

there because I hate that fucking

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epilogue in the present day.

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I, I cannot fucking stand that bullshit.

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but like Every time I watch it,

I was like, "Stop right there.

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That's where it ends.

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It ends

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Someone ask starbees if it hurt when she fell from heaven:

Yeah

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BobSht: on that hill talking to Laura,

and that's the end of the story."

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Xhafer: I think we talked about

it a bit on our last episode too,

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but it's just like if you had just

ended the episode with Adama looking

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like sitting next to Rosalyn's grave

looking over the sunset, you know?

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That would've been fucking A+ spectacular.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: I think that moment carries such

a weight to it that anything else that

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you didn't like about this episode or

these last couple of episodes, I think

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that moment's so powerful that you kind

of just give it a little bit of a pass.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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I, bother me as much as, like,

the gaping-ness of we didn't

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address Daniel in a satisfying way.

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That, that really bothered me a lot.

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And then, and then Ronald D has to

come and be like, "Well, that thing

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that you made up in your head that

was satisfying, it wasn't that."

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: you don't need to do that.

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Xhafer: so, like you texted

me, it's like, "Hey, Daniel is

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Starbuck's dad tin hat theory."

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And I laughed because I knew that that

was like one of the most popular fan

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theories when the show was running.

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So the fact that you independently came

across that thought too speaks to how

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much the show really put it in there.

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And you're right, for them to just

deny it outright, be like, "No,

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that's not what we had planned."

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It's all like, "Bro, just let it happen."

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Laura: Yeah.

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Just like can't you see a thing

that's happening in the universe

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and go, "That's great," and

take it and roll with it instead

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: I,

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Xhafer: Even if you don't put it…

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I mean, it's too late

to put it in the show.

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Just be all like, "Oh yeah,

it's a fun theory, isn't it?"

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Just don't shit on it.

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That's all it takes.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: But, you know, here we are

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Laura: That, I mean, that's,

that's … I'm sticking with my tinfoil.

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You can't tell me it's wrong.

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Xhafer: of my absolute favorite fan

theories that is completely unconfirmed is

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that the 13th Cylon, Daniel, is Starbuck's

dad, and that's how he gets this.

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Because we talk-- we know that

Daniel and, Ellen were very close,

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Kristin: Угу

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Xhafer: boxed Daniel out of jealousy.

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So if this is a song that all of

the final five are very familiar

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with, and Daniel was an artist, as

they've said, a musician, we know

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that Kara's dad is a musician and

a painter as well, was an artist.

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So there's some lineup there with

those things that would explain how

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he knew this song to pass on to her.

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I think it's super interesting.

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I think it's more interesting for her

to just be a human who is an angel

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at the end of the show, uh, for the

last season and a half here or so.

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I mean, Ron Moore got asked point-blank

two weeks ago at STLV what the fuck was

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going on with Starbuck, and he's all like,

"We don't answer it on purpose because

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it's more fun for you to think about it

and there to not be a definitive answer.

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There will never be a definitive answer

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Kristin: I love that he's still

being asked, and he's still

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answering it the same way.

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Yeah, he's also been specifically

asked about Daniel being the

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sa- like, is Daniel Thrace?

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And his answer is

explicitly no to that, that,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Kristin: Thrace is not a Cylon, and

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Kristin: is not Daniel.

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But I also think that sometimes fan

theories end up becoming more true

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than the actual truth, because we go

back and we watch and we infer and

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Kristin: conjure up and, you

know, everybody puts their tinfoil

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hats on and, and off we go.

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Laura: Just like most people and their

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tinfoil.

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No, I was, I was also thinking about

how we had all the prophecy stuff,

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and we were told that the dying leader

would not see the, the Promised Land,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: I was kinda going,

"Ha ha, no, she saw Earth.

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She got there."

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But then I was like, you know, though,

Adama did take her into the shuttle,

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and he was gonna show her everything

while she was dying, but she died first.

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Xhafer: Yeah, she didn't

really get to see that much

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Laura: she saw Earth, but she didn't

actually get to, like, see the

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flock of flamingos or whatever it

was that we started flying over.

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Like, I was like, "Oh,

yeah, so it kinda was right.

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That's kinda neat."

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I

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Xhafer: It's right enough

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Laura: I get to have my

cake and eat it, too.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We were able to have these powerful

moments because if she had died,

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like, right before the jump

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: Like, what, that's the uh, that's

the other logical extreme of this, right?

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Is if, if it still counts and she got

to see a little bit of Earth, then

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the other side of that would be she

dies before they jump to the system.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: And I think everything is

too busy then to give any kind of

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satisfying conclusion to her and Adama.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: And I think it's really

the right play, even if it's

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not 100% word to the prophecy.

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Laura: No, it's

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Xhafer: most prophecy isn't.

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It's a little bit of both, yeah.

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You know, it- I liked it, too.

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Um, I will say they, one

of the things that I…

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As we were watching the first

season in particular again and

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they really go out of their way to

tell us how special Starbuck is.

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Laura: Угу, угу

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Xhafer: It really helped me

deal with the fact that she's

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a fucking angel in this season.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Okay

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Xhafer: 'Cause initially it was

all like, "Oh no," you know, "She's

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like, she's such a fuckup," right?

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Like, "She does these things,

she messes up all the time.

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She's, she's a bad person."

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None of that fucking matters.

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Like, I mean, it, depending on your

interpretation of angel, which is gonna

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be all over the place, like ranging from

strictly like strict scripture, like

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thousand-eyed, unfathomable creatures

uh, to, like, your dogma, "I was

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the angel of destruction and now I'm

flying around Green Bay, Wisconsin."

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Like, that's the scale of angel, right?

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Laura: Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: Ignoring the Lucifer in the

fallen angel bits and all that stuff.

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like, I feel like that's pretty

representative of, like, if

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we had to put a line and put

one point and another point,

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: gonna be somewhere in

there, and Starbuck fits in that

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: well.

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so I don't know.

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Like, I felt a lot more at ease.

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The first time I watched it,

it was all like, "Ugh, it

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can't be that she's an angel.

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That's too dumb.

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It's unearned."

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You know, "This show's too good for that."

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And I think that's where a lot of my

personal feelings on Starbuck with

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regards to being an angel came from.

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Laura: Угу

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Xhafer: And on this watch-through,

maybe it's 'cause I knew and I

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was just doing the work for them,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: work that they weren't doing at

that point because they had not decided

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on these things that early in the show.

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But it definitely felt a lot cleaner

not having the years off, not having

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the benefit of time to criticize and

think on episodes, I guess, in between

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seasons, 'cause that's a whole thing, too.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: So-

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Laura: Yeah just talking

about Starbuck angel.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: it doesn't bother me.

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I kind of view it, I guess

I've headcanoned around a

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lit- a little with it, right?

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And it seems like the angels

that we have in 6BT and Gracas

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Xhafer: Угу

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Laura: they,

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Xhafer: The

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Laura: around for a while, and

they've, they've taken a form,

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and they've figured out, know,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: "It has all happened

before and happened again," and

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we're just kinda doing our thing.

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but it seems to me like

Starbuck is perhaps not that.

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Like, Like, when we watch Starbuck, we're

actually watching, how Angel is formed.

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Like, that we

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Xhafer: Okay

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Laura: or we started m- as

the, the offspring of human

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and Daniel the Cylon perhaps.

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I don't

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: But, like, we're seeing, like,

the messy, ugly formation of that

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: of, like, oh yeah, she's just

been around and she just doesn't

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remember shit, and she's just bipping

and bopping around the universe.

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No, I, I'm thinking it's more like a, this

is how it, the, the ugly process of, like,

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about yourself and accepting things about

yourself for a, one of these beings being

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Xhafer: Okay

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I can vibe with that

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Laura: Yeah, I was just like, I, I…

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That, that feels right to me because,

like, while 6BT and Gracas are not

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exactly angels in that they do some

crazy stuff to get to their ends,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: they s- they seem more intentional

and knowledgeable about the things, the

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: you know?

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whereas Starbuck is just kinda

fucking around and finding out.

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So yeah, that,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: little headcanon

around this angel business.

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Xhafer: do you wanna

get into the questions?

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Laura: Sure.

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Xhafer: Do you, do, do you have

anything else you wanna talk about?

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Laura: No, those were my two big things

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Xhafer: Okay.

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So Screen Rant, top 10 unanswered

questions for Battlestar Galactica.

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Number one: what is Starbuck?

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Laura: Is that the number one, like, if

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Xhafer: not numbered.

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Laura: Oh, okay, okay.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, I

don't think they're ranked.

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Laura: What is Starbuck?

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Well,

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Xhafer: What is Starbucks?

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Laura: That's

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Xhafer: Yeah, I'm fine with Angel.

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The picture they have of her

even has the, like, angel wing

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tattoo she has showing out.

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Get over it.

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She's an angel.

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It's not complicated.

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It's just not the answer

you were hoping for.

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Laura: Right.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: Question number two: Why

were there only seven Cylon models?

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Laura: From that they, that

the fuck around five created?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: there only seven

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Xhafer: Well, I mean, there were

eight, but why were there only seven?

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Yeah.

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This is also, I feel like, answered in

the show, if not directly they were making

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more models and there was Daniel, right?

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And then they made Shar- S- Seven,

and then they made Sharon, she

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was Eight, and then they stopped.

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And they stopped because they took the

fuck around, the final five, put them

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in bodies, em- and embedded them in the

fleet, and then they didn't have the

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final five to help them make more shit

because Cavill started his revenge plan.

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Laura: Yeah,

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Xhafer: That's why

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Laura: like killed Daniel and

then started his whole business.

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Uh, I say killed, you know,

he, he killed the line

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Xhafer: Boxed him.

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Yeah

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Laura: Right.

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so yeah, they just stopped at seven 'cause

he was tired of the five's bullshit.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I'm hating this list so far.

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Um, if Hera is Eve, then who was Adam?

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You misunderstood what they

were saying in the finale.

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They said Hera was mitochondrial

Eve, not Eve as in Bible Eve.

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Big difference.

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Laura: Right.

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Yeah, we don't, we don't

actually need an Adam and Eve,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: like the Bible story.

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Yeah, no, that's fine.

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You're just

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Rant,

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's just that you, you

just missed the point.

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Um, God, I hope this article predates AI.

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Uh, Let's see.

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"How did life on Earth and the

colonies match up so well?"

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Because all of this has happened before.

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Laura: Yeah.

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We're just trying to do that on purpose,

that, like, nothing is new under the sun

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Xhafer: How did the colonizers

on Earth live without technology?

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They did.

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They d-

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Laura: poorly.

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Xhafer: I mean, they probably didn't until

it all broke, to be perfectly honest.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: just so far in the past

it doesn't fucking matter anymore.

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Without Tyrrell to fix the shit

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Laura: Right.

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And all, all you need from them

really is not necessarily to live well

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on Earth without their technology.

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You need them to provide some

genetic material for a little bit.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: That's it.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: You need some of them to

provide genetics and some of them

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to s- have, nurture the genetics

for nine months, and then, yeah.

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Xhafer: I mean, uh, more interesting

question that this isn't asking, it

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might later down 'cause I haven't

read all these questions yet,

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'cause that's half the fun of these.

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Why aren't there Cylons

around in the modern day?

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If they don't age, did they all just

die off eventually from other shit?

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Laura: Yeah.

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I mean, I guess that's

the implication is that

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: we had, you know, thousands of

Lee Obins running around and they, they

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probably didn't uh, maintain proper

hygiene, and that's how they went.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I mean, alternatively, like, you'll see

stuff where it's all like, "Here's a

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painting of this dude who's clearly Keanu

Reeves, but it's from 300 years ago."

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I mean, maybe that's just, maybe Keanu

Reeves is this fucking Cylon, guys.

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Maybe that's what's going on.

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We see, have all these ageless people.

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Paul Rudd, maybe Paul Rudd's a Cylon.

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Maybe that's what's going on.

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That's why he doesn't age

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Laura: did not say that they aren't here.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: just said, like, "Now there's

a whole bunch of people here."

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: still be a couple

Cylons walking around.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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How did all evidence of

that technology disappear?

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Are you just complaining that

that Earth is not actually real?

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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It is a show.

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Maybe they be-

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Xhafer: we find any Cylon skulls on our

Earth if they were here that long ago?

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Laura: I've, I, I've, I've said

it all this time that Ronald E.

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is clearly like a historian of our

past and knows everything about

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where we came from No, come on, guys

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Xhafer: Okay, here's a fun one.

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How did their religion catch

on in ancient Greece and Rome?

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Laura: Hmm.

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that is actually kind of fun.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Uh

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Xhafer: I mean, 'cause it

did is the obvious answer.

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Sorry to shit on you

once again, Screen Rant.

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But it is fun to think about, like

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Laura: okay.

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Yeah, maybe some of those Cylons

were still, like, living and maybe

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: of had a lot of sympathy

for the human religion, and so they

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established those things in those areas.

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Like,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Well, I mean, like, there

are proto-cultures that

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predate a lot of this stuff.

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A lot of it gets regulated out of the

history books, especially in America.

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Laura: Certain places

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Xhafer: yeah, certain places of

the world we tend to not recognize

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their histories very well.

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Certain places that aren't Europe.

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Laura: Угу, угу

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Xhafer: civilizations that existed well

before documented European civilization.

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So it could just be some of that shit.

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It's just forgotten

proto-culture carried it through.

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I mean, the Greeks were born of the

Illyrians, you know, their, that

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proto-culture, so it just made its

way there and made its way through.

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Which is cool.

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Uh, That's nifty to think that that's

something that happened in this universe.

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I mean, Lee was all up on "They will,

they'll carry the best of us forward.

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We'll give them these things that we

have and leave behind the worst bits

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of ourselves to the ages," was the goal

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Laura: As if that could actually be done.

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Xhafer: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

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And like everyone's gonna

agree on what we pass on.

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Laura: What's the best?

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Although they are pretty monocultury.

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There's only the three cultures really.

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There's the Cylon culture, the

Baltar religious group, and then

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everyone else from the colonies.

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Th- I mean, they talk about the

colonies having different things,

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Laura: उह हँ!

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Xhafer: but for the most part

they are kind of a monoculture,

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especially compared to the differences

we find on Earth, for example.

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Laura: Угу

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Xhafer: that's interesting.

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Also, it is cool that all the

colonies became the constellations.

467

Laura: Yeah.

468

Xhafer: That's fun.

469

That's, that's a nifty little thing.

470

Laura: Yeah

471

Xhafer: Like you look up at the

stars and even to this day it's all

472

like, "Oh, Capricorn," you know?

473

Laura: Угу

474

Xhafer: What made love the

key in Cylon-human relations?

475

Ryan and I talked about this.

476

Ronald D.

477

not having anyone to stop him from making

these decisions is what made it the key

478

Ryan: with Battlestar, right?

479

So when I watched it initially, I

fell off somewhere during Season 1.

480

I just don't

481

Xhafer: Oh.

482

Ryan: It just was,

483

Xhafer: Okay.

484

Ryan: was hard to

485

Xhafer: It happens

486

Ryan: at the time, and there was so

much great TV on, or stuff that I

487

Xhafer: Yeah

488

Ryan: watch.

489

And when I say great, it also

meant TV shows that became bad, but

490

they were great at the time, like

491

Xhafer: Yeah

492

Ryan: You know, Desperate

Housewives was, of course, the

493

But, you know, it was a lot of shows.

494

And then I came back during Season

3 because I heard Dean Stockwell

495

was an antagonist in the show and

496

Xhafer: Yeah.

497

Ryan: I've got to see that."

498

So I, I jumped in Season 3 a bit and so

much had changed and it was interesting

499

because, know, the, I w- I was keeping

a, a, an, a, a, a little tab on the fan

500

base, the online community, the, the, the

BSG fans, and they were so unhappy with

501

the back half of the series because a

502

Xhafer: Yeah

503

Ryan: wasn't adding up anymore.

504

Like the, the, the, the, there's a

plan and the final five and, you know,

505

people hating certain characters and

certain actors and on and on it goes.

506

And then Season 4 comes along a

lot of that goodwill that people

507

had started to burn up even more

because people felt indignant or felt

508

righteous or were justified in their

frustration at the kind of sloppiness

509

of how the show handles things.

510

Like, there were

511

Xhafer: Yeah

512

Ryan: very venomous about the,

uh, handling of, of Gaeta, for

513

instance, of like his character,

um, and that whole arc.

514

Nowadays I feel like people are

a little more kind on it, but at

515

the time people treated it like

516

Xhafer: Oh, people hated

the Gaeta arc, yeah

517

Ryan: people treated it like we do as B5

fans about Linea, where it's like, oh,

518

here's this one morally noble character

and they get fucked over in the end

519

because the writers decided that we needed

to have a really edgy thing to happen.

520

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

521

Ryan: that is something

that Battlestar's guilty of.

522

I think as it went along, they kind of

just indulged in some of those things.

523

I mean, you both have talked

about it on some episodes.

524

Laura's had some reservations about

love and reproduction and all of

525

Xhafer: Yeah

526

Ryan: body stuff that, um, BSG does.

527

And the sad thing is, here we are

all this time later and we look

528

at other Ron Moore shows and it's

like, no, that's just his thing.

529

loves using rape as a narrative

device for cheap tricks.

530

He

531

Xhafer: Yeah

532

Ryan: stuff.

533

He loves this idea of

love overriding anything.

534

So it's just like, it's bizarre.

535

But when you look back on the

later half of Battlestar Galactica,

536

you're like, "Yeah, this is, is

where he really cemented it."

537

And the thing is, I don't remember

him doing that in Star Trek.

538

Xhafer: other people there

that I would credit with that,

539

like your Ira Steven Behrs,

540

Laura: I have expressed my opinion

about the whole love business.

541

Xhafer: we've, we've, we've

talked this ad nauseam

542

Laura: boy, I do not like that element.

543

And maybe there's a part of me

who would've been a romantic

544

about it if we weren't living in

the world that we live in now.

545

But boy, I just cannot vibe with

it under current circumstances.

546

I'm sorry, Ronald Lee.

547

You should not have done that.

548

Xhafer: Yeah.

549

Why would the Colonials

abandon all of their defenses?

550

What fucking defenses?

551

They were done.

552

Laura: Yeah.

553

Xhafer: a dumb question

554

Laura: at the very beginning of the show?

555

Xhafer: No, I mean at the end of the show.

556

Like why did they put

the fleet in the sun?

557

Laura: Mm.

558

Xhafer: 'Cause they weren't

fucking going anywhere

559

Laura: Yeah.

560

Xhafer: The ride was over

561

Laura: and Cavill's not coming back.

562

Like,

563

Xhafer: Cavill's fucking dead

564

Laura: yeah, Cavill's dead.

565

The Centurions have promised to come back,

566

Xhafer: Yeah

567

Laura: and we're trying

to keep our promises.

568

That's the whole thing at the

569

Xhafer: Yeah.

570

And they, and they kept that

true until they came back and

571

made Dyson Vacuum Corporation

572

Laura: I like my Dyson.

573

Xhafer: That's part of their plan, Laura.

574

Laura: Ah, damn it.

575

I got got it.

576

Yeah, no, I, I'm not…

577

That's not a big gaping hole for me

578

Xhafer: Yeah.

579

Yeah, I don't like this one.

580

And then the last one,

what was the Cylon plan?

581

Laura: Well,

582

Xhafer: The Plan

583

Laura: Okay, yeah, I guess we do need to

watch The Plan, but I kind of, I don't

584

know, I don't that it kinda turned out

that, like, the whole big plan, they have

585

a plan this whole time, that y- that turns

586

Xhafer: Yeah

587

Laura: like, one angry old white dude.

588

Like,

589

Xhafer: Just,

590

Laura: It

591

Xhafer: just one, just

fucking everything up?

592

Yeah, it does.

593

I mean, there's stuff, especially

in, like, the first season that is,

594

like, very clearly part of a plan,

595

Laura: Mm-hmm.

596

Xhafer: there's a handful of

logical leaps we can make pretty

597

quickly that are hard to argue with.

598

So we know that, like, the Raiders and the

rank-and-file Cylons don't know who the

599

final five are and also can't hurt them,

600

Laura: Yeah

601

Xhafer: right?

602

We see Anders in that dog

fight, it turns around, right?

603

Laura: Right

604

Xhafer: a stretch is it for, okay,

these Cylons could have gotten the

605

jump on Galactica, but when they

were monitoring the communications,

606

they heard Saul Tigh talking, and

we're all like, "Oh, you know what?

607

We're just gonna turn around and

leave this Battlestar alone."

608

Laura: Угу

609

Xhafer: jump is that truly?

610

Laura: Yeah

611

Xhafer: then you, like, okay, what

are the other big ships that might

612

have been prime targets that survived?

613

Do they all have them on there?

614

Is that why, you know, Anders'

mountain retreat with the Buccaneers

615

on Caprica didn't get nuked, and why

they couldn't stop their resistance?

616

'Cause any time the Centurions saw

Anders, they just had to fucking bail

617

Laura: Yeah.

618

Mm-hmm.

619

Or that just was like short-circuiting

them and they couldn't fight

620

effectively or something.

621

Yeah,

622

Xhafer: Yeah.

623

all, of the main characters survival,

all the main characters have

624

proximity to these characters, right?

625

Laura: Mm-hmm

626

Xhafer: initially or very, very

quickly within the terms of the story.

627

So okay, they got the fleet together.

628

Like, okay, cool, they found

the Tylium freighter, they

629

found all these other ships.

630

Okay, well, once they're in Galactica's

sphere, it's harder for the Cylons

631

to just ambiently do stuff, right?

632

So it's just like how

much of that is just them?

633

How much of it is Cavil's plan?

634

Did Cavil want those, all those people to

survive so that way he could torture them?

635

Because he states that

goal a number of times.

636

Laura: Mm-hmm

637

Xhafer: it's just like, okay, cool,

Cavil made sure that the Galactica

638

survived, made sure that they had enough

stuff to get on this hell trip because

639

the point was the journey, and the

journey was supposed to fucking suck

640

Laura: Mm-hmm.

641

Yeah.

642

A- and it seems like at the

end, Cavill wanted, like, wanted

643

to torture resurrection out

644

Xhafer: Yeah

645

Laura: them, but he wanted

them to suffer first,

646

Xhafer: Yeah

647

Laura: and then he intended

to destroy everything.

648

It just kinda got fucked up along the

way because here's the thing, like, it's

649

easy to plan anything in the short term,

650

Xhafer: Yeah

651

Laura: really, like, think like,

"This must be done within X amount

652

of time," and plan each phase.

653

It was just sort of like,

"Ha ha, I got these, these

654

things that are gonna happen."

655

And then he just sort of believed too

much in himself and his ability to

656

like just handle whatever came up,

and it spiraled out of his control.

657

That makes sense to me.

658

I don't hate that.

659

I, I know lots of people are like,

"Oh, they never actually had a plan.

660

The show never had a plan."

661

I'm like, "Well, that's

kinda fine, though."

662

Xhafer: Yeah

663

Laura: I, I'm okay with that

664

Xhafer: I mean, they had kind of a

plan, and they, they, they executed

665

most of that plan within the

first eight episodes of the show.

666

And after that it was, "Well, they're

gonna do what they're gonna do,

667

so we're just gonna follow them."

668

Laura: Угу

669

Xhafer: And then they decide to not

follow, and then they decide to follow,

670

and then they don't fo- and then it

goes back and forth, and back and

671

forth as Cavill has to play his fucking

political games with the rest of the

672

models to get them to continue his plan.

673

Laura: Yes

674

Xhafer: the eights did not have a plan.

675

The sixes did not have a plan.

676

Laura: it was

677

Xhafer: Not…

678

Laura: had a plan.

679

Yeah I, I get it.

680

I'm, I'm okay with that from the show.

681

I, I know that some people are kind

of about that, but I'm not one of them

682

Xhafer: How does Sahara save everyone?

683

Okay.

684

This is fun.

685

Chris and I talked about

this too, the musical notes

686

being the coordinates, right?

687

Starbuck figures it out, but it was

Hera's drawing of the musical notes

688

Laura: Yes,

689

Xhafer: the coordinates to find Earth.

690

Laura: How did Hera have

anything in her little head?

691

Yeah.

692

Kristin: In the episode, I asked Laura

if she had tracked the little theme that

693

Xhafer: Угу

694

Kristin: accused him of

plagiarizing Naumayan.

695

Xhafer: Yeah

696

Kristin: those notes that he

plagiarized are, if you spell them

697

out, the frequencies translate

into the coordinates for Earth.

698

And just like those coordinates

for Earth then wind their way

699

into Along the Watchtower.

700

So this is another super interesting

701

Xhafer: Ah

702

Kristin: Bear's blog, that

703

Xhafer: to read this thing

704

Kristin: those little steps that

Baby Hera is drawing that then

705

become note heads on the piece of music,

those, in scientific terminology, the

706

frequencies of those notes are the

numbers of the whatever intergalactic

707

coordinates for Earth, for planet Earth.

708

And so the music is not just

awakening the Cylons, but it

709

Xhafer: Угу

710

Kristin: the steps to Earth.

711

And the, right after that is

when Starbuck talks about she

712

You know, she's talking about, like,

ever since she died, she hasn't found

713

her purpose and, you know, maybe

this is her purpose, and this tune,

714

if I … And so that's literally

then becomes her purpose, right?

715

Is to

716

Xhafer: Yeah

717

Kristin: get them to Earth.

718

So, um, that's also why, as much as

I love this episode just for what it

719

is, and, and I, I loved all the music

nerdiness of it, when I read that,

720

Xhafer: مهم

721

Kristin: watching, watching this

episode having read all of that

722

lore, um, it just kicks it up

another two or three notches for me.

723

Xhafer: Anything and having

this are big differences.

724

Assuming you assume that it's

on purpose and she knew, because

725

the easy answer is coincidence

726

Laura: Yeah.

727

Mm-hmm.

728

don't know.

729

It could kind of go with

my head canon of, like,

730

Starbuck being birth of angel.

731

Maybe

732

Xhafer: Mhm

733

Laura: actually young angel, too.

734

Xhafer: Okay

735

Laura: I'm not saying every human

Cylon hybrid is gonna wind up being

736

an angel, 'cause that's weird, but…

737

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

738

Laura: And that clearly is

not what happened in the show.

739

But, like, maybe these two initial

ones are special in some way, and so

740

maybe we are seeing in Starbuck the

birth of the angel part, but we're

741

also seeing something a little bit

mystical happening with Hera, too.

742

Xhafer: Yep

743

Laura: I don't know.

744

I'm, I'm okay with there being mystery.

745

It could be coincidence.

746

It could just be Starbuck's angel-ness

figuring it out from some random stimuli

747

Xhafer: I, uh, it could just be

the universe whispering, you know?

748

Like, is that a shitty answer?

749

I don't know.

750

But it's probably what happened.

751

let's see.

752

Where does the second

Kara Thrace come from?

753

Go away.

754

She's a fucking angel.

755

Laura: Yeah,

756

Xhafer: were there two?

757

There's not-- absolutely no closure

ev- or even a vague attempt to

758

address this issue in the episode.

759

Get over yourself.

760

They say it out loud a number of times.

761

You just didn't like it

762

Laura: I think that the, to me, the,

the burning of the corpse and, or

763

Xhafer: Mhm

764

Laura: killing of her corpse, I

guess, 'cause she died in some

765

sort of fiery explosion on this

earth, was like what she needed to

766

transcend whatever and be the angel.

767

Like leave a, leave a mortal

form and cr- create a new one.

768

Um, it's fine.

769

Whatever.

770

Xhafer: oh, here's actually a good one.

771

This one might be in the

plan, I don't remember.

772

Who left the note for Adama to tell

him that there were 12 Cylon models?

773

Laura: I do need to know that.

774

I kind of feel like and I think you

told me it's in the plan, and we should

775

Xhafer: I,

776

Laura: get it.

777

Xhafer: I don't remember.

778

Laura: Okay

779

Xhafer: be real honest.

780

I, I know that I have watched

"The Plan" from a, I remember

781

being excited for it coming out.

782

I remember absolutely

nothing about "The Plan."

783

It was one of those movies I watched,

and then it was flushed out immediately.

784

So I think it's in there,

but I don't remember.

785

Laura: My guess, because we

know Cavill was in the fleet

786

Xhafer: Угу

787

Laura: the chaplain that spoke to Tyrell,

is that's just another Cavill fuckery, is

788

Xhafer: Okay

789

Laura: "I'm just gonna

fuck with this guy," and he

790

Xhafer: I mean, he's the

only one who would know

791

Laura: Угу

792

Xhafer: would be…

793

Specifically, he would be the

only one who'd know that there

794

were 12 Cylons and not 13,

795

Laura: Yeah

796

Xhafer: right?

797

All of the other Cylons that are not

Cavil are going to say that there

798

are seven Cylons or eight Cylons,

depending on their feelings about Daniel

799

Laura: Yeah

800

Xhafer: and whether or not

they'd include him, right?

801

Laura: Right

802

Xhafer: None of the final

five are aware at this point

803

Laura: One of them would have to

be having some sort of a break in

804

Xhafer: Like,

805

Laura: out.

806

Xhafer: yeah.

807

So it could be, like, a

moment of lucidity from Saul

808

Laura: Угу

809

Xhafer: of the…

810

'Cause Tory's not on the

ship, Ellen's not on the ship.

811

Laura: Yep

812

Xhafer: Anders is on Caprica, so

it had to be one of those two.

813

Or Cavil in the fleet walking around.

814

Possibly Boomer through Cavil

815

Laura: Yeah, 'cause Boomer we've, we

saw how she struggled with, like, the,

816

Xhafer: Yeah

817

Laura: Like, she wasn't quite right.

818

So those are my two, those

are my two guesses, would

819

Xhafer: Yeah

820

Laura: somehow Boomer having a

moment of lucidity or Cavill.

821

I just don't think it's Saul

822

Xhafer: Yeah.

823

Laura: That seems less

824

Xhafer: Yeah.

825

I mean, I don't think Boomer

would even be aware that there

826

were that many Cylon models.

827

I think the 12…

828

The language of there are 12

specifically has to be Cavil.

829

Laura: Yeah.

830

Okay

831

Xhafer: and so, but he could have just,

like, given her the note and be like,

832

"Hey, leave this in Adama's quarters."

833

Right?

834

Laura: true.

835

Xhafer: got access to that space.

836

So,

837

Laura: Okay

838

Xhafer: where do the

projected visions come from?

839

They're angels.

840

Um, how are there two-

841

Laura: they talking about

the Cylons' projected visions

842

Xhafer: Yeah, Grocus and 6PT

843

Laura: Oh, those.

844

Not like, when Caprica was

showing her projection or

845

Xhafer: this is assuming that they're…

846

Laura: Mm-hmm.

847

Xhafer: I think this is written from

the perspective of assuming that they

848

are within someone's mind and not

849

Laura: Yeah.

850

Xhafer: else

851

Laura: Yeah, um, the angels that we have,

I did wonder if the show too is making

852

a nod to like, you know, maybe there is

something bigger than us in the universe.

853

But it's maybe not, you know, 'cause

we wa- we want to believe that like

854

everything that's happening is, is

because a spiritual entity of some

855

sort loves us and cares about us, or

maybe, maybe there's just a little bit

856

more chaos in there than you think.

857

Xhafer: Угу

858

Laura: are not clearly

always doing the goods

859

Ryan: so much of the final few episodes.

860

There's so many things to point out

that this doesn't add up, or this

861

character does this thing that doesn't

line up with this, or, or they're

862

being vague about that and da, da, da.

863

The whole it's

864

Xhafer: Yeah

865

Ryan: in the past, I could forgive that.

866

I could forgive it.

867

It's annoying and stupid, um, in

my view, but I could forgive it.

868

It's like, okay, they went

with sci-fi plot 293, whatever.

869

Xhafer: Yeah

870

Ryan: epilogue is so difficult, and

we've had conversations in the Discord,

871

peop- some people like the epilogue.

872

I don't, and I think a huge part of

it is, is not only is it browbeating

873

and arrogant and kind of condescending

to the viewer, but, like, who gives a

874

fuck about Head Six and Head Baltar?

875

They're not characters.

876

They've never been characters.

877

They've always just

878

Xhafer: Yeah

879

Ryan: elaborate devices of the script

to say the things aloud, and that's

880

some of the biggest issues I have

with Battlestar is you walk away

881

Xhafer: Angels

882

Ryan: what did it actually have to say

about spirituality and faith as a series?

883

And

884

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

885

Ryan: ends on the way it does,

which is we just said things aloud.

886

I actually don't walk away from Battlestar

thinking it actually has that much deep

887

to say about spirituality and faith.

888

It kind of just the vernacular,

the language, the iconography.

889

Like, "Oh, Baltar's kind of like Jesus."

890

It's like, okay?

891

What, what do I get from that?

892

Ironic though, isn't it?

893

'Cause he's kind of a jerk.

894

And I'm like, "Right.

895

All right."

896

And then Head Six and Head Baltar

at the end with Ron Moore and the

897

gang telling us about the cycle,

and I'm just like, "Fuck you."

898

End on Adama.

899

End on the character thing.

900

Say what you

901

Xhafer: Yeah

902

Ryan: 5 and, and other shows,

TNG even, they ended on a charac-

903

they ended on their characters.

904

They

905

Xhafer: Yes

906

Ryan: and their big things away and

said, "You know, those are in service

907

of the people we had the journey with."

908

But BSG's like, "No, no, no.

909

Don't you get how clever we were?"

910

Xhafer: Um, how are there two

Earths with the same continents?

911

There aren't.

912

Ha ha, fooled you.

913

Laura: They never showed the

914

Xhafer: they never showed it.

915

Laura: Yeah

916

Xhafer: Ryan and I talked about

this, so throw that in here.

917

Ryan: Look, I am, like everyone, looking

forward to Laura being exhilarated

918

to have predicted the worst outcome

for the series, which is that this

919

is Earth in the past, and they land

there, and they supplement themselves.

920

She said this in one of the recaps and

was like, "I would hate it if it was that.

921

That would be stupid.

922

Xhafer: Yes.

923

Ryan: And she's right.

924

It is dumb and stupid and annoying, in

925

Xhafer: And she called it.

926

And, and the best is this, this, the

series really goes out of its way in that

927

season four mid-series finale to make

you think that's not what's gonna happen.

928

Ryan: Mm-hmm.

929

Yeah, it tries to be

all cocky about it, too.

930

It's like,

931

Xhafer: Yeah

932

Ryan: you notice that, um, when we,

we, we never really showed you what

933

the continents on that planet actually

looked like in those exterior shots?

934

We actually kept it…

935

Ooh, aren't we clever?

936

We, we tricked you.

937

We tricked you."

938

And then in the end, it's like,

it's like, "Actually, it's the

939

dumb thing you thought or dreaded.

940

Sorry."

941

"Look, there's just some,

uh, there's just some little,

942

little folks walking over there.

943

Maybe we can join them.

944

I don't know."

945

Xhafer: like, I remember them

coming up on Earth Earth and

946

them showing us it's Earth Earth,

947

Ryan: Угу

948

Xhafer: fuck.

949

They're rebooting Battlestar

950

Ryan: what that means for

people who aren't deep in

951

the knowledge of Battlestar?

952

Xhafer: Yeah, so, uh, in the original

"Battlestar Galactica," they did one

953

season and then they did a spinoff

show where it wasn't in the finale

954

of "Battlestar," but I believe it

was in the pilot of "Battlestar 80."

955

They find Earth.

956

It is the year 1980, which was the year

that it was airing, and they have to

957

like, "Okay, well, the Cylons are gonna

958

and Ronald Reagan ain't gonna do shit

about this, so we have to, like, give

959

them technology and things to, uh, bring

them up to fighting the Cylon standards."

960

Ryan: Nice

961

Xhafer: and I was so terrified

they were gonna land and it was

962

gonna just be the year 1980.

963

Uh

964

Ryan: land you in the bush.

965

They'd land…

966

No, they land you at the

start of the Obama year.

967

the

968

Xhafer: So, well, it, that would've

been, yeah, that would've been

969

when they would've landed if, uh…

970

Well, yeah, yeah, it would've been

right at the start of Obama, so.

971

Oh, I thought they were just gonna do 80.

972

Like, like that was, I remember

that being like the first thought

973

in my mind was like, "Oh, God."

974

Ryan: such a contemporary show.

975

Like, if they did the Battle Star in

976

and, and our heroes would've learnt

about 9/11 and they would've been

977

like, "Oh no, it's happening again."

978

And then Head Six would've been

like, "It's happened before, you see?

979

Ooh."

980

If they did it like that, in all

fairness I wouldn't blame Ron for doing.

981

Uh, he,

982

Xhafer: Yeah

983

Ryan: that honestly.

984

The, the restraints, I

mean the option is still

985

Xhafer: The restraint.

986

Ryan: The restraint…

987

The option's still silly and I think what

it speaks to with Laura who's a first

988

time viewer is very much like us which

is we were watching it for the first time

989

you're like, "Okay, what's the plan?"

990

They say they have a plan.

991

Xhafer: Yeah

992

Ryan: idea?

993

What's the thing?

994

Where's the end goal?

995

And if you have enough ideas of how

science fiction stuff works you go well

996

they land on Earth and it's contemporary

day, they land on Earth and there is no

997

Earth and it's destroyed, or they come

to Earth and it's the past and it's one

998

of those three options and they teased

you with one of them, they trick you

999

with one of them and then you're like,

"Well, we're not gonna just end with

00:44:42,917 --> 00:44:44,807

them just floating in space forever.

00:44:44,807 --> 00:44:46,057

They're gonna land somewhere."

00:44:46,327 --> 00:44:49,827

And then they land on Earth but

in the past and it then, and

00:44:49,835 --> 00:44:50,185

Xhafer: Yeah

00:44:50,287 --> 00:44:52,957

Ryan: forward to contemporary day

00:44:54,844 --> 00:44:55,814

Xhafer: yeah, they just hid it.

00:44:56,204 --> 00:44:59,044

They just, and they made

you think it was, but no.

00:44:59,344 --> 00:45:00,444

Spaceballs got you.

00:45:01,044 --> 00:45:03,154

Um, okay, good question.

00:45:04,454 --> 00:45:06,394

Why did Brother Cavil shoot himself?

00:45:07,866 --> 00:45:10,426

Laura: That is still not clear to me.

00:45:11,042 --> 00:45:11,362

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:45:11,384 --> 00:45:11,554

Laura: I don't

00:45:11,622 --> 00:45:11,912

Xhafer: Why?

00:45:12,162 --> 00:45:13,272

It doesn't make sense.

00:45:13,584 --> 00:45:13,954

Laura: Yeah,

00:45:14,092 --> 00:45:16,952

Xhafer: Cavill just shoved a gun

in his face and gave his character

00:45:16,952 --> 00:45:19,932

an easy out from a situation

where he was heavily invested.

00:45:20,682 --> 00:45:21,152

I agree.

00:45:21,162 --> 00:45:22,052

Very out of character.

00:45:22,152 --> 00:45:22,862

Didn't feel good.

00:45:23,242 --> 00:45:24,362

Un- unsatisfying.

00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:25,192

Yeah

00:45:25,356 --> 00:45:28,456

Laura: I felt like maybe he should've

at least tried to turn and run or

00:45:28,456 --> 00:45:32,826

something, 'cause he was such a crafty

little bitch up until this one point.

00:45:33,586 --> 00:45:37,226

guess he was just so overwhelmed with

like, "I can never have resurrection

00:45:37,226 --> 00:45:41,476

now because this fifth Cylon is

dead," and it needed all five

00:45:42,018 --> 00:45:42,408

Xhafer: Yeah

00:45:42,536 --> 00:45:44,076

Laura: in order to do resurrection.

00:45:44,443 --> 00:45:47,513

But it, it happened so fast.

00:45:47,623 --> 00:45:50,893

Like, that's a man who I thought would've

needed a second to think about it.

00:45:51,427 --> 00:45:52,777

Xhafer: Yeah, for sure

00:45:53,303 --> 00:45:53,583

Laura: Yeah.

00:45:53,723 --> 00:45:56,443

I, I'm not satisfied

with that either, blog

00:45:56,491 --> 00:45:56,821

Xhafer: Okay.

00:45:57,671 --> 00:46:01,431

Here's one that we have an answer

for but is a valid question.

00:46:01,791 --> 00:46:03,761

How is Kara Thrace the harbinger of death?

00:46:04,471 --> 00:46:06,581

She was supposed to bring

about the end of humanity.

00:46:06,611 --> 00:46:07,521

Well, that never happened.

00:46:07,851 --> 00:46:09,011

And I argue it did,

00:46:10,143 --> 00:46:10,523

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:46:10,771 --> 00:46:12,921

Xhafer: all of humanity is merged.

00:46:12,961 --> 00:46:14,521

Everyone's a hybrid on Earth.

00:46:14,881 --> 00:46:15,911

Humanity is dead.

00:46:16,571 --> 00:46:21,761

The humanoid Cylons are dead, presumably,

and everyone that's left is a hybrid.

00:46:22,161 --> 00:46:26,121

So she did bring about the

end of humanity, just not in

00:46:26,131 --> 00:46:28,741

a particularly flashy way.

00:46:29,187 --> 00:46:29,457

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:29,457 --> 00:46:30,897

No, I, I agree with that.

00:46:30,937 --> 00:46:31,997

Like, that's

00:46:32,851 --> 00:46:33,861

Xhafer: Just very slowly.

00:46:34,107 --> 00:46:35,917

Laura: thought it was going in the fourth

00:46:36,041 --> 00:46:36,551

Xhafer: Yeah

00:46:36,617 --> 00:46:38,457

Laura: like, "We're, we're

running out of humans.

00:46:39,237 --> 00:46:40,727

other Cylons are desperate.

00:46:41,167 --> 00:46:47,467

Humanity as we know it," with air quotes,

"is going to end because it's going to be

00:46:47,467 --> 00:46:49,937

a blend of these other genetic things."

00:46:50,357 --> 00:46:50,747

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

00:46:51,467 --> 00:46:51,947

Laura: That's fine

00:46:52,414 --> 00:46:54,754

Xhafer: And then where

was the music coming from?

00:46:54,754 --> 00:46:57,474

This is the same question as,

I guess, how did Hera know?

00:46:58,152 --> 00:46:58,532

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:46:59,104 --> 00:47:01,134

Xhafer: Um, which is the same source.

00:47:01,774 --> 00:47:02,094

Oh.

00:47:02,174 --> 00:47:04,624

Oh, hey, I welcome anyone

to chime in with answers for

00:47:04,624 --> 00:47:06,514

these theories or explanations.

00:47:06,821 --> 00:47:08,081

When was this posted?

00:47:08,611 --> 00:47:11,311

00:47:11,543 --> 00:47:12,013

Laura: yeah

00:47:12,681 --> 00:47:15,471

Xhafer: Uh, I'm gonna throw this in.

00:47:15,601 --> 00:47:15,831

Laura: now?

00:47:16,601 --> 00:47:16,961

Xhafer: I'm gonna…

00:47:17,221 --> 00:47:20,201

when was the last comment on this page?

00:47:20,487 --> 00:47:22,527

00:47:23,647 --> 00:47:24,357

Xhafer: Okay, here we go.

00:47:24,357 --> 00:47:26,087

00:47:26,457 --> 00:47:26,847

Laura: Good

00:47:26,977 --> 00:47:30,287

00:47:30,638 --> 00:47:31,358

Laura: Угу

00:47:31,588 --> 00:47:34,718

Xhafer: Oh my God, there's

00:47:35,236 --> 00:47:35,776

Laura: Mm.

00:47:36,598 --> 00:47:37,158

Xhafer: Okay.

00:47:37,518 --> 00:47:39,088

I'm definitely gonna…

00:47:39,408 --> 00:47:43,738

I- I'm throwing this page in our

recording notes channel of the

00:47:43,738 --> 00:47:46,858

Discord, so that way when this episode

comes out, I will comment with a

00:47:46,878 --> 00:47:48,948

link to this episode of podcast.

00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:49,912

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:54,142 --> 00:47:57,192

Yeah, let's just revive this

dead horse to beat it a little

00:47:58,348 --> 00:47:59,148

Xhafer: 100%.

00:47:59,978 --> 00:48:01,378

Um, okay.

00:48:01,878 --> 00:48:06,188

I will say there's a couple people in here

who give a lot of the same answers we did.

00:48:06,772 --> 00:48:06,852

Laura: Hmm.

00:48:07,068 --> 00:48:07,308

That's

00:48:07,464 --> 00:48:07,494

Xhafer: Car-

00:48:07,558 --> 00:48:09,118

Laura: to have independent verification

00:48:10,314 --> 00:48:10,584

Xhafer: all right.

00:48:11,064 --> 00:48:13,584

Um, we have an email to discuss.

00:48:15,004 --> 00:48:22,224

So, so back in March, remember when

we talked about that email from Mr.

00:48:22,224 --> 00:48:22,904

Beast's dad?

00:48:23,726 --> 00:48:24,106

Laura: Yes.

00:48:24,146 --> 00:48:24,596

Uh-huh

00:48:24,937 --> 00:48:30,057

Xhafer: which he emailed us again

MrBeast dad and did not get us on any

00:48:30,057 --> 00:48:31,667

of his son's ridiculous game shows.

00:48:31,677 --> 00:48:34,387

So a little disappointed,

Father Beast, but that's fine.

00:48:34,725 --> 00:48:35,125

Laura: Yeah,

00:48:35,307 --> 00:48:36,987

Xhafer: You still listen,

you're still engaging.

00:48:36,987 --> 00:48:37,807

We're here for you.

00:48:37,857 --> 00:48:39,077

We're gonna talk about your email.

00:48:39,337 --> 00:48:45,217

So I had kind of dodged around

what the question actually was

00:48:45,887 --> 00:48:50,257

because I didn't wanna dive into too

spoilery of territory at that time.

00:48:50,501 --> 00:48:50,871

Laura: Yeah

00:48:50,897 --> 00:48:54,967

Xhafer: the question was about the

Season 3 finale or the final four.

00:48:55,223 --> 00:48:55,593

Laura: Okay

00:48:55,756 --> 00:48:59,826

Xhafer: and it's specifically

more about the song than it is

00:49:00,356 --> 00:49:02,056

like why do they hear the song?

00:49:02,066 --> 00:49:03,276

What is going on here?

00:49:04,026 --> 00:49:05,656

The show doesn't give it any…

00:49:05,676 --> 00:49:07,906

Like, it's got significant,

but they don't say it.

00:49:07,916 --> 00:49:09,766

How does the song trigger memories?

00:49:10,503 --> 00:49:14,003

it's science fiction, it doesn't need

an explanation is not a good answer.

00:49:14,033 --> 00:49:14,803

That's fair.

00:49:15,503 --> 00:49:21,426

Um- And then emailed us back to be

like, "Hey, you kinda glossed over it.

00:49:21,426 --> 00:49:23,996

Will you answer it in the recap

episode now that you don't

00:49:24,006 --> 00:49:25,276

have to worry about spoilers?"

00:49:25,316 --> 00:49:25,686

So

00:49:26,060 --> 00:49:26,450

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:26,930

Okay

00:49:27,409 --> 00:49:29,049

Xhafer: so I wanna s-

let's talk about the song.

00:49:29,059 --> 00:49:31,679

Let's talk about the final

four finding each other.

00:49:32,061 --> 00:49:32,401

Laura: Uh-huh.

00:49:32,969 --> 00:49:34,349

Xhafer: it's kind of…

00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:38,859

There's like, they don't say

it's like a probe, right?

00:49:39,319 --> 00:49:44,999

But like they find these things that the

final five left behind on their journey

00:49:45,489 --> 00:49:49,599

from old Earth, OG Earth ruined Earth.

00:49:49,659 --> 00:49:49,689

We'll

00:49:50,002 --> 00:49:51,342

Laura: Угу

00:49:51,859 --> 00:49:55,419

Xhafer: Earth on their path

to the colonies, right?

00:49:55,779 --> 00:49:57,179

There's little signposts.

00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:00,539

They did, they built the

big temple with the eye,

00:50:01,439 --> 00:50:01,829

Laura: that's right.

00:50:01,829 --> 00:50:03,979

We were told they did that, didn't they?

00:50:04,351 --> 00:50:08,901

Xhafer: there's the there's like a

beacon with the disease that they found

00:50:09,341 --> 00:50:12,261

that kills humanoid Cylons somehow.

00:50:13,041 --> 00:50:17,391

There's a, yeah, there's like,

there's shit that they left behind

00:50:17,581 --> 00:50:20,291

as markers on the trail, right?

00:50:20,817 --> 00:50:21,357

Laura: Why…

00:50:21,597 --> 00:50:23,877

Okay, here's a question

we haven't asked yet.

00:50:24,117 --> 00:50:24,807

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:25,107 --> 00:50:26,287

What's up with the disease?

00:50:26,617 --> 00:50:27,737

Laura: with, up with the disease?

00:50:27,757 --> 00:50:34,897

Because, like, they, they were on their

way to the colonies at that point,

00:50:35,227 --> 00:50:38,967

and it kind of seems like the disease,

I guess maybe it wasn't intentional,

00:50:38,967 --> 00:50:46,077

but how the fuck did that get there

in that capacity that it would only

00:50:46,077 --> 00:50:51,387

kill the humanoid Cylons but it didn't

threaten the final five at any point?

00:50:51,797 --> 00:50:53,207

Xhafer: Because they had the…

00:50:53,867 --> 00:50:58,537

Well, so they say that, like, all

of the colonists are immune because

00:50:58,537 --> 00:51:04,817

there was an outbreak of some

disease, like 50 or 60 years ago

00:51:05,081 --> 00:51:05,561

Laura: Okay

00:51:05,897 --> 00:51:10,937

Xhafer: that went through the colonies,

and they developed a vaccine for

00:51:10,937 --> 00:51:14,677

it, and everyone just is immune to

it now from getting the vaccine.

00:51:14,853 --> 00:51:15,133

Laura: that's

00:51:15,527 --> 00:51:17,697

Xhafer: that's probably where the

final five got their immunity.

00:51:17,697 --> 00:51:21,397

But also, interestingly, if I'm

remembering this right, and I might

00:51:21,397 --> 00:51:24,247

not be, because I didn't look this

up and we're just having a natural

00:51:24,247 --> 00:51:27,817

conversation about the show, and I'm

not living on the Battlestar Wiki as

00:51:27,817 --> 00:51:31,967

we're having this conversation, that

50, 60-year timeframe lines up with

00:51:31,967 --> 00:51:34,287

the end of the Civil War, with the…

00:51:34,307 --> 00:51:35,537

Or, well, not the Civil War.

00:51:35,537 --> 00:51:39,487

And so the end of the First Cylon War

and the arrival of them in the first

00:51:39,487 --> 00:51:44,155

place So they might have been the

carriers of this disease initially.

00:51:44,155 --> 00:51:48,605

It, it was a disease that was just from

Earth, and all of their shit had it.

00:51:49,055 --> 00:51:51,705

And because the temple was open

air, it was fine, but because

00:51:51,705 --> 00:51:54,165

this probe was sealed up in space,

00:51:54,443 --> 00:51:54,903

Laura: Okay

00:51:55,015 --> 00:51:56,285

Xhafer: it had it in there still.

00:51:56,525 --> 00:52:02,345

And then the colonies dealt with it when

it arrived and made its way through as

00:52:02,345 --> 00:52:05,525

the final five were fucking around the

colonies before they got the Cylons to

00:52:05,525 --> 00:52:07,795

break off, and it spread from there.

00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:12,195

And then the humanoid Cylons never

had to deal with it because they were

00:52:12,195 --> 00:52:14,365

made after it had already been handled

00:52:14,809 --> 00:52:15,379

Laura: Yeah.

00:52:15,629 --> 00:52:17,699

And so it wasn't a thing that like

00:52:18,479 --> 00:52:18,769

Xhafer: It's

00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,469

Laura: humanoid Cylons, they were

going, "And make sure to give them this,

00:52:22,479 --> 00:52:22,919

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:26,749

Yeah, it was already a done

deal 'cause the disease was

00:52:26,749 --> 00:52:27,989

dead for them at that point

00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:28,669

Laura: Okay.

00:52:28,699 --> 00:52:29,039

Okay

00:52:30,063 --> 00:52:31,773

Xhafer: So I guess that

kind of makes sense.

00:52:31,783 --> 00:52:35,533

So it wasn't, it's not a bioengineered

weapon, it's just an accident

00:52:35,577 --> 00:52:36,177

Laura: That's right.

00:52:36,237 --> 00:52:37,393

I, I forgot about that.

00:52:37,780 --> 00:52:38,220

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:52:38,670 --> 00:52:43,640

So, to get back to Father B's question

where did the music come from?

00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:45,390

Why did they go to this spot?

00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,310

I, I know it's not a good answer.

00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:49,950

I hold that they went to this spot because

it's the only room they had that had

00:52:49,950 --> 00:52:53,580

four doors for them all to dramatically

enter, was the joke I made then.

00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,800

And I do think that's just, like, the case

for the scene to feel properly dramatic.

00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,540

You need to have the camera shoot

around as people are coming in different

00:53:02,540 --> 00:53:07,600

doors, because if people met in the

hallway beforehand, it kind of ruins

00:53:07,610 --> 00:53:09,740

the thing that's about to happen.

00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:16,740

And so it's not a good answer, but it

is, I think, a nature of it being a TV

00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,020

show that they all have to enter through

separate doors, and you probably only

00:53:20,020 --> 00:53:24,510

have a couple of options in terms of sets

you've put together or can put together.

00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:27,120

It's why we never see

that room again either,

00:53:27,665 --> 00:53:27,925

Laura: Угу

00:53:27,930 --> 00:53:28,310

Xhafer: right?

00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:30,750

Like, it's just kinda like

the place in the center of

00:53:30,750 --> 00:53:31,680

the ship where they all meet.

00:53:31,850 --> 00:53:33,510

They just needed a room with four doors.

00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:36,590

I thi- Logically, that's the only

thing that makes sense to me.

00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:41,480

I don't think it has any significance

to the ship or the universe or the song.

00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:45,810

It's just the nature of it

being a dramatic-ass TV show

00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,050

necessitates a room with four doors

00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:52,570

Laura: I'm trying to remember the sequence

of events too, because there's a lot of

00:53:53,130 --> 00:53:54,460

Xhafer: Yeah, there's lots-- There

00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:57,560

Laura: things that happen together

in a short amount of time.

00:53:57,904 --> 00:53:58,344

Xhafer: Yeah

00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,024

Laura: Kara was not back yet when we