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Solutions8, along with every other agency I know, by
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:the way, is bleeding clients.
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:Let's see if we can, Hold on to them.
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:And then the business dies off.
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:And it's whoa, what was that for?
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:yeah, exactly.
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:Blood from a turnip.
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:That's the other thing too, is
just the responsibility we have to
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:entrepreneurs to tell them the truth.
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:We're shifting our entire
business model, which makes me
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:feel like such an epic hypocrite.
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:Cause I, dude, I spent the last three
years talking so much about all the
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:agencies and Oh, they try to do everything
and be everything for everybody.
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:Welcome to your day.
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:The Google news it's Kostom with
one of the best, the brightest,
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:the smartest Caden Thompson.
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:How you doing buddy?
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:Good man.
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:It's been a while.
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:How you doing?
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:it's been a long time since
we shot a video together.
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:I think it's been like a year.
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:Oh, at least a year.
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:Yeah.
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:It's been a really long time.
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:I remember first time when I
hopped on, I was like starstruck.
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:And now it's like flipping back
to we were doing the, what was it?
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:The strategist meetings.
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:And then I think that was, yeah, that was
the last time that we had a call together.
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:I'm glad it's feels like a reunion and
this call is going to be quite revealing.
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:I think in a lot of ways, we just got
finished putting our itinerary together.
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:And, the last words you said
to me before we hit record was,
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:honesty is the best policy.
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:here are the cards on the table solutions
eight, along with every other agency I
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:know, by the way, is bleeding clients.
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:in October of 2022, when we sold our
agency, we had almost 200 clients.
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:And today we've lost close to 40 percent
of them and we're losing them for reasons
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:that are in many cases inexplicable.
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:I've had four clients declare
bankruptcy in the last 90 days.
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:I haven't had a client declare
bankruptcy on us in the last two years.
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:It's unreal.
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:So there's obviously, there's like
an economic environment that nobody
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:wants to talk about for some reason.
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:I did a perpetual traffic episode
where I claimed that I think we're in a
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:shadow recession that nobody's talking
about and maybe I'm right, maybe I'm
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:wrong, but there does seem to be like
a lot of the clients that we're losing
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:are like, can't fulfill on products.
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:E commerce stores that just can't
get products for people that don't,
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:they have positive ROAS per se on
an LTV basis, but they don't have
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:the cashflow in order to keep going.
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:some people bringing it in
house, we're not losing people
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:to performance really at all.
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:which would, I, to be honest with you,
I'd a business owner, I'd prefer, I'd
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:rather lose a client to performance.
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:Cause at least that I know
internally I can correct it.
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:And so we're shifting our entire
business model, which makes me
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:feel like such an epic hypocrite.
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:Cause I dude, I spent the last
three years talking so much shit
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:about all the agencies like,
Oh, they try to do everything
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:You need to niche down.
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it was true because when you niched
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was going on within your niche.
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party data and the death of
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continue to lie more, we've had to
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is you're my bodyguard.
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from the rabid listener.
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agency, like we're going from the Google
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at, dude, I think we built the biggest
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most agencies weren't Google ads specific.
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agency, nobody got as big as we did.
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before this and I'll stop talking
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recording, which I really appreciate it.
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to quote you and then you fix it.
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be responsible for 1 thing, but now
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1 thing because you, have to.
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scope of our responsibility.
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much sums up a lot of the issues that
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general and like communication with
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of us as marketers is to essentially
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less, and that's going to even be
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or try to equate as much to in app
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going on other channels.
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looks at that one niche, you learn a lot
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it's wait, they're not doing that right.
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popping up that are outside of your
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think why don't we just do this?
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these problems outside of what
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of the scope of what we're doing?
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on Google ads because it allows us
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niche itself and then grow from there.
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that, maybe we wouldn't have if we
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it comes to the economic situation that
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saying, people are going bankrupt agencies
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but clients are trying to find a way
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important for us as an agency to
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numbers and, overall with your bank
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all, it becomes 1 of those things to where
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explain what's going on.
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to worry about this stuff.
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that, all these tools.
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but no tool is perfect.
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we've just noticed that, having
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having control over just Google,
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has turned into really good results.
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it allows the client to be more
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Google versus Facebook?
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of you're making more money.
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and that's the proof, right?
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all the attribution nuances that
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argue with what's in their bank
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is even if you're really good at your
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:niche, you're so heavily reliant on other
channels, let's say, or other modalities.
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because then we just spend like our
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:whole Client interaction is like,
Hey, your meta agency is screwing up.
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:Your analytics agent is screwing up.
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:The organic is not performing
the way that you think it is.
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the canary in the coal mine, which part
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to tell me about all the problems I have.
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and provides me the solution.
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line up against the kind lies.
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to being one of the agencies
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:It's I will rush the ROAS
game using performance max.
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actually doing really well.
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that they're lying.
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them know they're lying.
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magic button and ROAS goes up.
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think it was about like a month ago.
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of, 18 agencies that this
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global numbers out of all that.
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everyone else was pushing, standard
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and not looking at the correlations,
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little bit, but if you look at it, Strap
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and your business is going to be
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from the marketing standpoint, because the
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to say, oh no, it's the marketing's great.
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can't live off of LTV forever.
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you got to find new customers.
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probably maybe seen some hints of this
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channels or we're doing meta, but
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tabula and outbrain and we're doing
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landing pages and we're doing everything
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have the ability to influence the
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so you can't sell global numbers.
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:We do.
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without selling global services.
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we sold Google services and we did great
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and we had to sell global numbers.
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have to pick up the other.
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for the first time in 10 years.
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we're expanding again.
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:Kate, there you go.
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:It's meant to be.
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you might not remember this.
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:Did you ever have a Lightbrite as a kid?
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:Lightbrite, okay, I gotta look this up.
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:I'm gonna, I'll Google it so I can
bring up the image on screen share.
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:Oh yes, I did not have one, but yes.
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:that's why I'm embarrassed, I
should have known what that was.
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:No, so here's, this is like
before Gameboys and shit,
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is Google Ads is one light, It's one
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light, bright, we're putting one peg and
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:then met as one peg and organics, But
we can't tell the full picture anymore.
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Google all by itself, stand alone.
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paint an entire picture.
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of the funnel to the bottom of the funnel,
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of the journey, you had a full picture.
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funnel atrophied first, the beginning
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this little teeny tiny corner.
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we get to tell one part of the story.
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:And I gotta be honest, it's so humbling.
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:It's so humbling to go from, Oh,
we had a months long wait list I
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Google ads agency on the planet.
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reinvent ourselves entirely
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:The market's changed.
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:The customer's changed,
the economy's changed.
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though we were the best, Blockbuster
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:It doesn't mean that
they're around anymore.
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:I don't think so either, it's just one
of those really interesting lessons
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because I'm seeing a lot of
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enough to weather a storm, thank God.
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we've been acquired, they have deep
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out what the evolution looks like.
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:But if you're a small agency, and
you're experiencing what we're
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:experiencing, which, we've got a
mastermind you versus Google, by
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:It's amazing for what you get.
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:It's unbelievable.
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:I think it's the most cost effective
mastermind I've ever seen put together.
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:It's really phenomenal, amazing members.
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saying the exact same thing.
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conversation a week or two ago
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who's also in driven is I've never
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we're contending with at the moment.
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before a bunch of little agencies go away.
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is you lose 30 percent of the market.
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market to be scooped up.
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Some of my advice just again, as a
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cycles now is just hang on, don't
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do anything stupid, just hang on,
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is the promises have to be bolder.
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doing and you have to commit to some type
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get a fall with the market once.
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on, Hey, if you're going to give me global
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of thing, then that's what we got to do.
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seems like there's the beginning point,
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point or the next step in the process of,
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agencies, oh, I'm focused on Google.
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months, three months, whatever it is.
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business, your average retention
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at, okay, I held onto the business
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:Dude, you know what our retention
was when we sold 16 months.
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:the thing we did, man, is God, did
we love on people, like we just
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lost that a little bit.
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just sales organizations.
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you can outsource fulfillment
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we didn't do our own Google ads for
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did, but we worked with a great agency
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you just made about retention.
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industry benchmark, you're built to fail.
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portion of market that just knows,
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this doesn't work anymore.
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to be able to say, okay, no, I need to
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the, row as versus the end set of
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over year perspective, not a hold on
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is just the responsibility.
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to tell them the truth.
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we've done this a lot where it's
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:I don't care that Google
says you're getting a ROAS.
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been able to prove that.
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was going for massive raise.
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fancy business words.
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raise with M and a people.
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said, Hey, I need to show this.
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increase in profitability.
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:Turn this off.
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:And the guy's what?
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you guys to turn this off for the last
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was, but it was like their brand camp.
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:I'll just to use easy terms, it
was like their brand campaign.
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:They're spending six figures on
it a month because it showed.
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:Positive results that their board liked.
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:And John's that's not producing anything.
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:And the guy did, trusted him and it
was a bold move and he turns it off
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and they got whatever they needed to do.
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examples of, the dude was
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long, it's and John's nobody listens
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have access to all these accounts and you
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and what works and what doesn't work.
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to where it's like, you got to
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account, try it in this.
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interact with one another?
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in the last two, three years.
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has stayed the same.
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in general has gotten harder.
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stayed relatively the same.
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gotten harder, but that's been
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me personally, that's been my
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to pull for certain metrics that
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things where it's like, we already
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does this impact everything else?
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think we've delved deep enough
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graduate children that come out and
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years ago, there was a ton of margin.
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ship shit and still make money.
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Stanford tech whiz nerd, they just
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they built the triple PhD blueprint
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got way more sophisticated.
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gotta be good at this shit.
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good customer service.
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on the bone three years ago.
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puts us in a better position.
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majority of the market falls off.
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saying earlier and you'll survive
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is our clients have to be good too.
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:there used to be a hundred plumbers
in every city and now there's five.
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every city and now there's five.
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turn into this kind of, it's what
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works and the way that it manifests.
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level of services.
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be cheaper than it is right now
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because everybody knows how to do
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already been doing it even though
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the processes and the client management
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than anybody's willing to give you for way
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into that pricing.
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a guinea pig, don't hire us.
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that's the other thing too, is
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just in terms of human capital.
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the people that bought us have.
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valuation and a ton of ai.
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the code and really figure this out.
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dear and deeply, even though you're
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that I'll give, really.
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story a lot, I had a business that went
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'cause I was building banking software.
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ways, You have clients and employees
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float for too long, the whole thing goes
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just pick the one best boat in Alamo up.
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backing to ride out a storm,
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and some people like, Oh, I
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for anything digging under my
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dog, not able to pay rent.
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:I lived in a heroin den because I had
somebody I loved that was a drug addict.
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thinking like, roll the dice
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touchy feely, but I, hopefully some
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:if you do see an end in sight in terms of
your runway, it's all right to opt out.
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:Now you can always come back.
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:That's the best part about the agency
world is startup costs are low.
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:So there's no shame in crying uncle,
especially if you have payroll to make,
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:thank God I never missed a payroll, you
have a sacred responsibility to make
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:Do you what advice do you have
for clients agency owners?
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other companies are offering.
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offering it and then build
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other people are offering.
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of what does the client want?
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:It's don't reinvent the wheel.
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:Let the market lead.
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:This is awesome, dude.
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:You're awesome.
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:Kaden Thompson, one of the best and
the brightest in the whole wide world.
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