Shownotes
Stellar Arms co-owner Scott Melton joins Kaylee and John for the season three premiere of Gun Owners of America's State of the Second, recorded in the show's new studio. Stellar Arms is a smaller precision rifle manufacturer out of Lincoln, Nebraska, with roots in aerospace. Its founder, Ty, came from the aerospace world and started doing custom firearms work about 15 years ago, and the company's sister operation, originally called MASP Enterprises, still produces aerospace parts for companies like SpaceX and NASA. That aerospace background drives how Stellar builds firearms: tight tolerances, most parts made in-house, quality control on outsourced parts, and a willingness to scrap components that don't meet spec. Scott's argument is that a loose-tolerance AR will still function, but it won't hold accuracy, which is why every Stellar rifle ships with a lifetime warranty and a card signed by the armorer who checked, assembled, and test-fired it.
A big stretch of the episode is about firearms as art. Stellar has stepped outside traditional marketing, including building the Maximus rifle in a collaboration with Andre Alofsky and delivering one to Dana White. Scott talks about the company's diamond-engraved Executive model, cut on a CNC machine with the upper, lower, and handguard attached so the lines transfer perfectly, and about working with engraver T Tariq of T's Gun Vault. He plans to release certain parts in a raw form this year so customers can Cerakote, paint, and customize their own builds. The conversation ties this to a cultural shift: more recognizable names are comfortable being public about firearms, and the group sees custom and limited-run guns as a lower barrier to entry that brings new people into the Second Amendment community.
The back half moves into legacy and the why behind gun ownership. Scott frames Stellar's mission around building rifles you can pass down, the same way his great-grandfather's and grandfather's guns were passed to him. Kaylee connects that to defending the Second Amendment across generations, arguing the right has to be nurtured through experiences like range days, classes, and building an AR together, not just inherited by owning a safe full of guns. The Soapbox segment digs into attacks on firearm safety and hunter education in schools, the loss of community after COVID, the value of the trades, and how social media has pulled people away from real connection. Scott also makes the case that an armed citizenry has been a deterrent to foreign attack on the American mainland. The episode closes with Stellar's contact info, a thank-you to Palmetto State Armory for sponsoring guest gifts, and a push for GOALS, GOA's 50th anniversary event in Des Moines, Iowa, August 1st and 2nd.
Questions this episode answers
What is Stellar Arms, and how does its aerospace background shape how it builds rifles?
Stellar Arms is a smaller precision rifle manufacturer in Lincoln, Nebraska, with aerospace roots through its founder, Ty, and a sister operation that makes parts for companies like SpaceX and NASA. That background drives tight tolerances, in-house manufacturing, and scrapping anything that misses spec.
Why was the company originally called MASP, and what does its sister company make?
Stellar Arms was formerly known as MASP Enterprises, and its sister operation under that name still produces aerospace parts for companies like SpaceX and NASA. That aerospace manufacturing background is what carried over into how Stellar builds its rifles.
What rifle did Stellar Arms build for Dana White, and who did they collaborate with on it?
Stellar Arms built the Maximus rifle in a collaboration with Andre Alofsky and delivered one to Dana White. It was part of the company stepping outside traditional marketing and treating firearms as art.
What makes Stellar's diamond-engraved Executive model different from a laser-engraved gun?
The Executive model is diamond-engraved and cut on a CNC machine with the upper, lower, and handguard attached, so the engraved lines transfer perfectly across all three parts. Stellar worked with engraver T Tariq of T's Gun Vault on this kind of work.
Why does every Stellar rifle come with a lifetime warranty and a signed card from the armorer?
Scott Melton argues a loose-tolerance AR will still function but won't hold accuracy, so Stellar ships every rifle with a lifetime warranty and a card signed by the armorer who checked, assembled, and test-fired it. It's how the company stands behind its precision standard.
Should the firearms industry lean into fun, custom designs instead of only tactical black rifles?
Scott Melton makes the case that custom and limited-run guns lower the barrier to entry and bring new people into the Second Amendment community. Stellar plans to release certain parts in raw form so customers can Cerakote, paint, and customize their own builds.
How do the hosts and guest think about firearms as art versus firearms as a tool?
Scott Melton frames a rifle as something that should still function as a high-performing tool while also being allowed to look good, like customizing a car. The episode ties this to a cultural shift where more recognizable names are comfortable being public about firearms.
Why do Scott and Kaylee say legacy and passing rifles down matter for defending the Second Amendment?
Scott Melton frames Stellar's mission around building rifles you can pass down, the way his great-grandfather's and grandfather's guns came to him. Kaylee argues the Second Amendment has to be nurtured through range days, classes, and building an AR together, not just inherited by owning a safe full of guns.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Season three welcome and meeting Scott Melton
- 00:41 — Stellar Arms, the MASP name, and aerospace roots
- 02:11 — What makes their AR stand out: precision and tolerances
- 03:47 — Coatings, custom designs, and pushing the AR forward
- 05:33 — The Dana White Maximus rifle and the Alofsky collab
- 07:37 — Celebrities going public and growing the community
- 09:00 — Should the industry embrace more fun designs
- 10:53 — Guns as art versus guns as a tool
- 17:52 — The CNC-cut Executive and the armorer's signature
- 20:15 — Legacy and the Second Amendment as a deterrent
- 23:54 — Gun safety, history, and education in schools
- 27:12 — Building an AR, AR builder classes, and lost skills
- 31:10 — Soapbox: legacy, the next generation, and community
- 39:20 — Trades, social media, and parting words
- 46:28 — Wrap-up, Stellar Arms contact, and GOALS event
About the guest
Scott Melton is a co-owner of Stellar Arms, a precision rifle manufacturer based in Lincoln, Nebraska, formerly known as MASP Enterprises. He says he has 14 years in the firearms industry and a history in product development. He lives in the Arizona desert, near Phoenix, and has four kids. He works closely with Andre Alofsky and with engraver T Tariq of T's Gun Vault, and Stellar built the Maximus rifle that was delivered to Dana White.
Key quotes
"we really pride ourselves on keeping everything, you know, to a very high standard." — Scott Melton
"will a rifle function with loose tolerances? Yes. But will it maintain accuracy? No." — Scott Melton
"we build it to last and function, but want to make it your own, just like a car or anything else." — Scott Melton
"You have to have those foundations and then build upon them." — Kaylee
"It can still be used as a tool and it should function as a, you know, high performing tool. But that doesn't mean it can't look good too" — Scott Melton
"We have to have legacy in mind." — Kaylee
"the smartest people are the greatest listeners." — Scott Melton
Transcripts
Welcome to Gun Owners of America State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:We're celebrating season three here.
Speaker A:I'm your host Kaylee.
Speaker B:And I'm John.
Speaker B:And we have a brand new studio which is amazing.
Speaker B:Our guest today, his name is Scott Melton.
Speaker B:He's from Stellar Arms, a precision rifle manufactured focus on performance, reliability and redefined design backed by a lifetime warranty.
Speaker B:Its platforms are built for hard use in the field and made to last generations.
Speaker B:Scott, thank you for joining us.
Speaker C:Thanks for having me.
Speaker B:So tell us a little bit about Stellar Arms.
Speaker B:They have done a name change since originally when I met them when it was masp.
Speaker B:So kind of go ahead and dive into that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:So Stellar Arms is a smaller manufacturer out of Lincoln, Nebraska.
Speaker C:Its roots from the founder Ty was in aerospace and just had an affinity and love for firearms and about 15 years ago started doing custom work and then building up to a brand.
Speaker C:And it was originally called MASP Enterprises, which is what our sister company which we produce aerospace parts for companies like SpaceX and NASA and other things that are more complex onesie2zs, not high production stuff.
Speaker C:And so where it got was to build.
Speaker C:It started with some pistol modifications and then into building our own AR and then really just trying to do everything precision as possible and taking the pride.
Speaker C:And so still today as we're growing some more and more every year, you know, we're still single armor, you know, we still follow some of the same stuff, you know, based out of aerospace and the tolerances and stuff.
Speaker C:So we really pride ourselves on keeping everything, you know, to a very high standard.
Speaker C:And we have, you know, no problem scrapping.
Speaker C:We probably scrap more than we probably should, but it's all part of the brand and you know, what we want is, you know, what we values are our legacy.
Speaker C:And we're trying to create legacy rifles.
Speaker C:Much like, you know, I have rifles that were passed down by my great grandfather and grandfather because they were built well back then and taking that same thing and you know, while we want to grow not to the rubber stamp production line, but you know, where there's a lot of pride and you're creating a rifle that is a legacy item that you can pass down to your family and it'll last that long.
Speaker B:Now when it comes to Ars, you know, there's people who are going to be like an AR is an ar.
Speaker B:So what really makes yours stand out over the other ones on the market, you know, what really goes into when you, when you talk about that precision and that legacy stuff, it is, you.
Speaker C:Know, in every Component we make.
Speaker C:So we make a majority of it in house, actually.
Speaker C:And we do, you know, do outsource and to our spec of certain parts, and then we do quality control on that.
Speaker C:And I think that's a lot of it is, you know, we.
Speaker C:We take a lot of pride in each individual part we put in there and it has a spec.
Speaker C:And, you know, we try to make those specs as tight as we can.
Speaker C:Obviously, with moving parts and stuff, you have limitations, but whereas in some things, you may have a little bit broader tolerance, you'll still function.
Speaker C:Right, but you're going to lose that consistency of that rifle.
Speaker C:So even just how the upper and lower mate and then, you know, with the BCG and the barrel and everything, how everything functions, you know, we want it to have that same, you know, fit like you would build an airplane.
Speaker C:That's where the roots come from.
Speaker C:Tie his was in the industry before he started mass building stuff for custom airplanes and stuff, jets and stuff.
Speaker C:So there's just a lot of pride.
Speaker C:And so it comes down to just, you know, will a rifle function with loose tolerances?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:But will it maintain accuracy?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:You know, and then down to just researching, testing different coatings, different parts, you know, trying to get that, you know, perfect combination that gives you a rifle that stays accurate.
Speaker C:And that's why we back it with a lifetime warranty.
Speaker B:So you, you said different coatings.
Speaker B:We had a full gold one at our event in Knoxville.
Speaker B:So why do you guys kind of do some of that out of the box kind of coatings?
Speaker B:And I've seen some really cool stuff you guys have produced over the last couple years.
Speaker C:I mean, at the end of the day, black rifles, everybody loves them, but, you know, everybody wants something.
Speaker C: ly, and then kind of like the: Speaker C:And so, you know, we like to have some fun with creating, you know, different designs, different coatings, different things.
Speaker C:And that's how you learn.
Speaker C:Some of the stuff we've tried doesn't work.
Speaker C:You know, we don't release that.
Speaker C:But that's just the continual evolution.
Speaker C:And a lot of people say, you know, how much further can you take in ar?
Speaker C:Well, we don't know.
Speaker C:We want to keep pushing.
Speaker C:You know, there's a lot of different things we're working on just to see because, you know, I think at any product I have a history in product development.
Speaker C:Sometimes as a product developer or somebody developing something, you get complacent with something that's been around forever.
Speaker C:Let's face they are, you know, in general hasn't changed a lot over the years, but there's still opportunities and, and then we're taking it beyond Ars, you know, towards the end of this year and into next year developing stuff.
Speaker C:And the core is just, you know, a precision built, you know, firearm in whatever we decide to build, you know, and making it a legacy, be something that lasts.
Speaker B:And I've shot your guys stuff and it is Chef's kicks top notch.
Speaker B:So you guys have really kind of stepped out of some of the traditional marketing stuff.
Speaker B:Some of the things you got to hang out with.
Speaker B:Dana.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:White, let me, you know, what is it like for you guys as a company to be able to market with some of these bigger names that aren't always seen as in the firearms space?
Speaker C:It's great.
Speaker C:You know, it's amazing as we kind of branch out from the standard black and we do our stuff like our executive, which you see, which is, you know, a diamond engraved all over it.
Speaker C:And it's opened up doors to some people that have been firearm enthusiasts just, you know, with something unique like ours has opened and it's been great for personally, you know, it's been awesome to be able to go out and do these things.
Speaker C:And we work closely with Andre Alofsky, which when you know, 15 years ago I used to watch at the UFC before UFC got big, you know, 20 years ago.
Speaker C:I talked to him weekly and he's a great guy.
Speaker C:And then, yeah, going to deliver Dana the Maximus rifle, which is the one we built in the collab with andrelovsky.
Speaker C:That was a great experience.
Speaker C:And then opens up, you know, just a bunch of other doors to create.
Speaker C:And what it does for us is what we want to do too is to create these, you know, custom, you know, designs, limited runs and something unique and different.
Speaker C:And so we work with T Tariq from T's Gun Vault and we got some pretty, pretty cool stuff.
Speaker C:I don't know if you guys saw the one we did like a samurai one that was engraved.
Speaker C:It's just amazing.
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Speaker B:So going to those as a, as a company, going to those people who are gun enthusiasts but haven't been really public about it, do you think it's opening the eyes to new people who are seeing like some of these celebrities getting into the space?
Speaker C:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker C:I think there's, you know, I feel like in the last year there's been a shift of that where you know, even go, you know, kind of beyond that just anything in sense of, you know, Hollywood.
Speaker C:There's been a shift of stuff like more people are becoming, you know, more departed from.
Speaker C:It's either this or that and opening it up.
Speaker C:And I think it's great for the firearms and the two a community because you know, it was, it was almost, if you were famous at any point, it was almost a bad career ender to talk about firearms or you're outside of doing a movie.
Speaker C:And so I think it definitely opens up for the broader community of us and it helps us.
Speaker C:And as you see people that are much larger in fame and stuff are okay with it, it opens the door for other people which I think in all, especially with what you guys do, helps the, you know, the image of what the true, you know, firearms community is, which is a great community.
Speaker C:I've had the pleasure, what 14 years now in this industry and like I said, it's the greatest group of people I've ever worked with and you know, all the customers and whatnot out there.
Speaker B:Now seeing that you guys are doing some of these really fun designs and I know this is going to be a call out wide and so I'm going to preface it with that.
Speaker B:Seeing you guys are doing some of these fun designs.
Speaker B:Do you think that the industry should start pushing to more fun designs and stop taking ourselves so serious about everything or do we, you know, how do we expand?
Speaker B:Yeah, bringing that in.
Speaker C:I think so.
Speaker C:I mean there's a place if you're building a duty rifle, which we do for you know, Leo or military stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's a serious.
Speaker C:But I think in general, you know, the, I think the mass.
Speaker C:Majority of gun owners go out because it's, it's it's their hobby, it's their sport, they enjoy it, they go out and do things.
Speaker C:So I don't think it should be taken so seriously.
Speaker C:Of course, let me preface this with firearm safety is 100% serious.
Speaker C:But as you're, you know, much like I've said before, and that's kind of my mindset is like you have, you know, custom car cultures and all these different.
Speaker C:Customize everything.
Speaker C:I think same thing with firearms.
Speaker C:It's just to have some fun, you know, creating this and show people's masterpiece.
Speaker C:And that's one of the initiatives that I'll be driving this year for stellar with some of our parts.
Speaker C:And we will be putting certain things like we haven't done before, which is our executive that has all the diamond.
Speaker C:We'll be putting it out in a raw form so you can coat it how you want, paint it Cerakote, do different things and create really unique designs with, along with, we'll be working with doing very limited release of some really cool stuff because I think it's, you know, and the reception that I see, you know, people love it and it's, you know, at the end of the day, you know, everybody has a black one, you know, maybe an fd, maybe a mix, but there's, there's a lot of room for some createdness out there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I mean, here's the issue I always see and Kayleigh, you can chime in because I've kind of taken control.
Speaker B:But, you know, I feel like we've seen this renaissance in the firearms space over the last year or so where.
Speaker B:And again, this was a renaissance that you kind of saw at the beginning of the century too, or beginning of last century.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Making me feel old.
Speaker B:But where we went from this guns can be pieces of art to then guns are a tool.
Speaker B:And that's all they are.
Speaker B:They're a tool.
Speaker B:They're meant to be scratch and ding.
Speaker B:And now we're kind of getting back into that.
Speaker B:Guns can be pieces of art.
Speaker B:You can see them with the engravings and the custom cerakotes and things like that.
Speaker B:I mean, what, what do you think about that?
Speaker B:That we're, we're seeing that.
Speaker B:Have you seen the same shift, are you thinking?
Speaker C: , I think, you know, with the: Speaker C:And that's where we are, you know, built to perform, crafted and impressed.
Speaker C:That's our, you know, our sane.
Speaker C:And I think it can be both.
Speaker C:And I think, you know, obviously if you're Doing a tactical job, you cannot have a shiny rifle.
Speaker C:But let's face it, the majority of AR sold aren't for that purpose.
Speaker C:You know, it is people that want their skills.
Speaker C:You know, they want to, you know, everybody has a hobby that happens to be a hobby.
Speaker C:And then also, you know, there's, you know, you want to create something unique.
Speaker C:And when we talk about legacy, it's something that you, you know.
Speaker C:You know, I'd love to pass down some of my rifles to my kids and my grandkids that have a story behind it.
Speaker C:So each one of these that you either buy at a limited edition or you custom make yourself has a story behind it.
Speaker C:So, you know, it's more than just a tool.
Speaker C:It can still be used as a tool and it should function as a, you know, high performing tool.
Speaker C:But that doesn't mean it can't look good too, you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying.
Speaker A:I also think that there is, you know, talking about what John was saying is, you know, we used to see, you know, just kind of over the top craftsmanship and then everything kind of mellowed out and everything was kind of super tactical.
Speaker A:And now you're seeing a blend of both.
Speaker A:I think it's also indicative of the culture.
Speaker A:I mean, if you think about, you know, gun owners as a group tend to be a little bit more on the collector side of things.
Speaker A:You know, we like to have different options.
Speaker A:We have to, we like to have something to pass down.
Speaker A:And I think that as what would be considered like the fine arts or just in general, the arts have tended to go more anti guns.
Speaker A:I think that we as a, as a2a community have said, you know what, we're going to create our firearms to kind of act as a reflection of what art we might be purchasing if we were to have that option.
Speaker A:And I think that it's allowed kind of a microcosm to happen where people still need a place to have a creative outlet.
Speaker A:People still want to have things that when they see it, it brings a smile to their face or that they, you know, have that can have a greater value because it's a more limited run, you know, investment pieces.
Speaker A:And I think for a lot of people, you know, these custom jobs, commissioning firearms to celebrate kids births or grandkids births or whatever it is, that that's a reflection of something that the culture has always done.
Speaker A:We're just seeing it expressed in a different way within the 2A space.
Speaker A:And I think that's allowing people that don't Want to necessarily be super tactical all the time to come into the space.
Speaker A:We spend a lot of time talking about what is the on ramp to the second Amendment, how do we make people feel more welcome, how do we show them the vastness of the community?
Speaker A:And I think you have to have something that appeals to them visually where it doesn't feel like a greater barrier to entry.
Speaker A:And I think that these aspects are a net positive to the culture.
Speaker C:Yeah, it adds another dynamic to the firearms enthusiasm.
Speaker C:What the image of it is.
Speaker C:It's not just this tactical black rifle mentality that these are.
Speaker C:These are things of beauty.
Speaker C:I mean, engineering in itself.
Speaker C:To me, I have an engineering mindset and it is a thing of beauty.
Speaker C:But the art and what you can do on the outside of that too, and just even down to, you know, the different components on how you, you know, cut it or make this, the shape and stuff like that in different colors, it's, you know, I think it does open it up and it, you know, when you take somebody that isn't familiar with firearms or may, you know, have that, that, you know, nervousness around them, and you get this black, you know, military style, you know, tactical rifle, or you have this beautiful art, it's really hard.
Speaker C:If you do have an eye for something, just beauty that you look at something and go, how can you not like it?
Speaker C:Whether you've been uncomfortable around firearms or not, it's like, this is, this is a work of art.
Speaker C:It's, you know, especially when you get to the stuff like our friend T does with the engraving.
Speaker C:You know, it's just the custom engraving work in different colors.
Speaker C:It is, and they tell a story, you know, and it's, It's.
Speaker C:It's great to see people personalize.
Speaker C:I hope that it gets back to that because, you know, I feel like, you know, it's getting to a point where people, themselves, consumers, instead of just buying it out of the box, are, you know, building and creating their own, you know, start to get that rolling again because that's where you make your firearm unique and that's the ones you want to pass down is because I built this back.
Speaker C: to say in, you know, now say: Speaker C:But, you know, that's, that's what I hope with, you know, some of the stuff.
Speaker C:And of course, you know, being partnered in this, this firearms company allows me to do some creative stuff.
Speaker C:So hopefully I Have quite a few to pass down or unique.
Speaker B:Well, and that's what I think is the.
Speaker B:What's happening is it is.
Speaker B: new gun owners come in during: Speaker B:And as they're starting to learn, you're seeing that now they're learning that, oh, this can be changed.
Speaker B:Or we're seeing people who bought a gun during that and had the other guns, and now they're like, well, I need to revamp this old thing that's been sitting here.
Speaker B:Oh, I've got this Glock 19 that's been stocked for so long now I gotta put.
Speaker B:Let's put a comp and an optic and a new slide and all that stuff.
Speaker B:So I'm really excited to see how it goes and things going.
Speaker B:I mean, just remember when you guys pass these custom guns down, anime and cow prints don't always pass along.
Speaker B:You're just telling a story.
Speaker C:Yeah, that is for sure.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, a lot of the stuff, you know, we like to incorporate the engineering side to it.
Speaker C:Some of the projects, you know, we're working on, you know, we'll have beyond just colors or, you know, engraving.
Speaker C:We'll have some type of, you know, engineered or, you know, I say engineering, but special cuts and stuff that, you know, serve a function but also add beauty to it too.
Speaker C:I mean, I still.
Speaker C:If you've ever seen our executive.
Speaker C:It is just.
Speaker C:It's the coolest AR I've ever seen.
Speaker C:I mean, just when you have a diamond cut all over it, it's pretty crazy.
Speaker C:And the fact that we do it, you know, it's not laser.
Speaker C:We actually do it in a CNC machine with the upper, lower and handguard attached.
Speaker C:So the lines transfer perfectly for the upper and lower into the handguard.
Speaker C:And how tight we keep our fittings.
Speaker C:It almost looks monolithic.
Speaker C:Especially if it's all one color.
Speaker C:It's not multicolor.
Speaker C:It's really hard to see the lines.
Speaker B:So you do that in the.
Speaker B:In a CNC machine, not a laser.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's done in a CNC machine.
Speaker C:And it takes several hours to do each.
Speaker C:You know, call it builder set with the upper, lower and handguard.
Speaker C:But, you know, that's the thing is.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Could we do it in separate components faster, either in a CNC or laser.
Speaker C:But, you know, that's not the way to make it the best, you know, because then you'll never be able to keep the.
Speaker C:The actual cuts, you know, perfect in line from a lower to an upper upper to the handguard.
Speaker C:And so all part of the mentality, what we do, everything, you know, everybody that works there, you know, has a pride in what they build.
Speaker C:And that's why, you know, with our rifles, it comes with the card that, you know, they're putting a signature on each part they've checked or assembled the armor so that there's a real personal touch that somebody has checked this and, you know, they're putting their name on it.
Speaker C:You know, even if it's just armor on the symbol line, he's putting his name or her name on that rifle that they.
Speaker C:They're saying that, you know, they built this with their pride.
Speaker B:Well, and that's.
Speaker B:That's a huge thing because a lot of the products nowadays are just mass produced.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker B:It's a group of people.
Speaker B:But to have us an armorer who sits there and signs off on everything and shows everything and puts the pride into it, I think that's a huge thing that we've kind of shifted away from as a culture where you're not taking pride in your work.
Speaker B:It's just like I'm getting it done to get the money to get done.
Speaker B:So to hear that they're taking the pride into it, that's a huge.
Speaker C:Yeah, it adds that, you know, it's the extra layer of that, you know, for a consumer, it gives you more confidence.
Speaker C:Because somebody has put their name on it.
Speaker C:Doesn't mean that mass produce aren't good stuff too.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:But it's not going to be the same quality as somebody assembling and putting their name on it and, you know, even to the test firing the same.
Speaker C:Same armor will test fire that and, you know, certify that.
Speaker C:Yep, this is.
Speaker C:This is a stellar legacy product.
Speaker A:I love that you keep bringing up, you know, the legacy product and bringing, you know, with the intention of passing it down to your kids or grandkids, because, you know, that is a direct reflection of what we have to do to protect and defend the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:We have to have legacy in mind.
Speaker A:We have to be encouraging not just gun safety, which is obviously forefront of everybody's mind consistently, but also what is the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:It's a natural right.
Speaker A:It's constitutionally protected.
Speaker A:It's knowing these things so that we can pass them down to our children and our grandchildren so we don't lose this legacy of freedom that we got to inherit.
Speaker A:Although, you know, we can say it wasn't as good as it was at the founding.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker A:But, you know, we have the Second Amendment.
Speaker A:We have the ability to restore it.
Speaker A:And that legacy mindset can't be overvalued.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It is so monumentally important to the overall success of the US and so I love that you guys have taken that as a core piece of the business because it's something that's easily overlooked but cannot be if we want to continue.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I want to out on the second minute and talk about legacy and beyond.
Speaker C:I think a lot of people especially it's so polarized when you start talking about it.
Speaker C:But I think a lot of people tend to forget that beyond our rights in the second Amendment and what it was wrote for against government, it has done something over the years of America that a lot of people don't think about or realize.
Speaker C:But it's been one of the most major determinants.
Speaker C:And here are the things which I read before was not validated.
Speaker C:Maybe validated, but Admiral Yamamoto Japanese Navy said why they never attacked American mainland because they were behind every blade of grass and beat America with a gun.
Speaker C:And you hear a lot of stuff as the collapse of Russia and stuff USSR One of the things they could never account for in a contingency plan was Americans with guns.
Speaker C:We've been very fortunate.
Speaker C:When you look around the world, that American mainland, while yes, we have suffered losses with our young men and women going to war, we've never been attacked.
Speaker C:We never had to experience what you see happening around the world now today.
Speaker C:And one of that deterrence is that the citizens themselves are.
Speaker C:What is one of the most feared things for foreign armies is that the citizens armed.
Speaker C:It's not just fighting an army.
Speaker C:You're the whole country.
Speaker B:Well, yeah, I mean look at the.
Speaker B: In the early: Speaker B:And now we're back to where they're not encouraging it, but as a society we're taking that back up and we're seeing that tremendous growth in the, in the firearms community because a lot of people are going oh, now I need to take that personal responsibility of, of self defense and that mindset.
Speaker B:And now it seems to be this cultural shift slightly and as we're seeing the community grow because there's still anti gunners out there who are going to say otherwise, but we're seeing that shift of a lot of people are kind of history is kind of repeating itself.
Speaker B:Let's just say put it that way because I'm just going to keep talking in circles.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Those who don't know the history are doomed to repeat it like, it's the.
Speaker C:And I think when you talk about gun safety and the topics always get brought up about murder rates and stuff like that, but the reality is, what was it the peak in the 70s, 80s, that households in America that had guns, we didn't have this problem.
Speaker C:It's more of it as you depart and you pull it out of.
Speaker C:We can't talk about this.
Speaker C:Can't talk about this with kids.
Speaker C:You know, my kids grew up since they were, I mean, young, young shooting.
Speaker C:I live out in Arizona desert.
Speaker C:So it's really easy for us.
Speaker C:But they know, you know, what a firearm is and the safety behind it and you know, how to properly handle it.
Speaker C:And they're not, you know, scared of it.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And I think a lot of people, you know, it's that opposite.
Speaker C:If you don't know your history or don't know something about something, you are more likely to make mistakes.
Speaker C:Those younger generations come up and.
Speaker C:And it's just that they're fearful.
Speaker C:And this, you know, it creates this fear of it, but it also creates this lack of knowledge of what it is and how safely operated or what the good things are about being a firearms owner.
Speaker B:Yeah, the thing that I remember growing up, it was you were taught a bit of firearm safety in school, and then they pulled that all out of the public school system and a lot of the school systems.
Speaker B:And now we're seeing another renaissance where they're trying to.
Speaker B:States are trying to put that hunter ed and stuff, but they're still also being attacked at the same time.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I mean, it's, you know, hopefully we can get back to it.
Speaker C:And I think we need to.
Speaker C:And I think, you know, a lot of things.
Speaker C:I think we took a pretty hard shift in America to some pretty crazy times and just be, you know, blunt.
Speaker C:And I feel like we are starting to get back to a more normal.
Speaker C:I say common sense.
Speaker C:Like, you know, some of the stuff is just.
Speaker C:It's common sense.
Speaker C:And, you know, I think, you know, at the end of the day, we got to get rid of the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker C:You're either on this side of the fence or this side of the fence because there's a lot of people in the middle ground.
Speaker C:And I think some of the doors are opening for that middle ground and more.
Speaker C:It's okay to agree with this side a little bit more.
Speaker C:And I think the largely, you know, two A community or just our country in a whole is that we have to get back to where we can have conversations and we can disagree.
Speaker C:But if you're not willing to listen to somebody, you're never going to learn.
Speaker C:And that's the smartest people are the greatest listeners.
Speaker C:And so if you want as our country to succeed and for everything to succeed, I think you have to be able to listen to the other side and not just fire back and forth discrediting anything they say.
Speaker C:Just listen, truly listen and find out because that's part of it and is to learning and growing.
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean, I think the big thing that I see is as a community, just 10 years ago it was, well, you don't have this and you bought this.
Speaker B:So therefore you're poor and you're not welcome with us.
Speaker B:And we've seen this shift of oh, I bought this.
Speaker B:Oh, congratulations, you bought this.
Speaker B:Hey, go shoot this go thing.
Speaker B:And then if you want to go upgrade, let me show you some other options as things go on.
Speaker B:I think that's the shift.
Speaker B:The other thing is the quality of firearms have really shifted as well across the board.
Speaker C:So yeah, you talk about that.
Speaker C:It's one thing that while the AR market is vast and saturated some bit it's still one of the platforms that you can start basic or build by parts.
Speaker C:And there's so much out there and there's so many endless possibilities that, you know, even if you can't afford to go build a $3,000 custom competition or high end, you can build it as you go.
Speaker C:I mean, you can start with, you know, a good upper and lower and then, you know, you can have a mil spec trigger and you know, a cheaper barrel and stuff like that.
Speaker C:But as you go, you can, you know, continually improve that as your skill sets improve or as you, you know, want to upgrade it so much like buying a stock car and then upgrading and customizing.
Speaker C:I think that's one thing that I like personally about the AR market and I've, you know, before I was in this industry has been.
Speaker C:And then, you know, through some of the crazy times, like the Hillary times when everybody was, you know, freaking out, it was one of the things I did was help all my friends, you know, customize the build.
Speaker C:So I've always had affinity and love for the AR platform because there's so much out there and there's so much you can do to it.
Speaker C:You know, when you look at, you know, pistols and some of the other stuff that, you know, there, you know, you're pretty limited.
Speaker C:There are stuff you can do, but it's very expensive.
Speaker C:It's a lot of stuff, you know, you have to send off and have done with an ar.
Speaker C:I mean pretty much anything.
Speaker C:That's one of the things we're going working with some of our dealers this year is to do AR builder classes where we offer things and then we'll go out.
Speaker C:People from the factory actually teach these AR builder classes because it's, you know, another thing that's dear to me and one thing I try to teach my kids is that, you know, America is starting to lose some of its skills to build things and people.
Speaker C:You know, when you find people, people that don't know how to change a tire at 30 years old, it's ridiculous.
Speaker C:So one of the dishes personal to be is learn how to build an ar.
Speaker C:It's not that hard.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'm going to call myself out for a second because I find it hilarious.
Speaker B:I can build an AR.
Speaker B: I can take apart a: Speaker B:I cannot do woodworking, I cannot do that.
Speaker B:I cannot do.
Speaker B:I can do some electrical work.
Speaker B:But the ars, like adult Legos is what I like to call ars because that's what they are.
Speaker B:Adult Legos.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean there's some key things that you need to make sure as you're assembling but if you're buying good parts, you're not going to have that problem.
Speaker C:But at the end, I mean my kids, even my daughter at 10, she can assemble and clean one.
Speaker C:It's not that hard.
Speaker C:Especially kids nowadays, they have unlimited opportunity to learn and their brains work a little bit different than when I was younger.
Speaker C:It's a lot easier to find that information and how to do it.
Speaker C:But yeah, that's one of the things I hope to encourage with stellar and some of our stuff is getting back to building something custom and unique and that's why we want to offer raw parts.
Speaker C:Even, you know, we may not have the color you want, but we'll get you some, some really cool raw parts and you know, make that easily available to consumers to customize their own.
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Speaker A:Well, it is time for our segment from the Soapbox where we dive into some of the spicier conversations that we touched on earlier and take a second take at them.
Speaker A:I really want to go back to what we were talking about as far as where we are with, you know, the next generation building upon that legacy that you were talking about.
Speaker A:I know we talked about all of the attacks with children, access to firearm safety in schools.
Speaker A:We saw during the Biden administration them trying to get rid of hunter education at large, which is, you know, oftentimes like the very first basic level of firearms training for people.
Speaker A:And I just want to make this point and then we can dive in a little bit deeper.
Speaker A:We as a culture, I think not a two way culture, but just in general across the US have gotten to this really weird place post Covid where, you know, truly community was taken away from us during the pandemic and we've stopped valuing the ability to go to the range and have community.
Speaker A:We've stopped valuing a lot of the things that brought us together and, and I think we're starting to see that come back.
Speaker A:But when we're talking about the legacy front, you cannot overstep, you cannot overstate how important a role of a parent and a grandparent is.
Speaker A:And the community that you build for your family, whether that's going to the range, whether that's taking classes or building an AR together, like those times that you spend is invaluable into the investment not just of the second Amendment right, but of the values that your family holds.
Speaker A:And I think a lot of the mistakes that previous generations have made when it comes to the fight for the second Amendment is just because you own firearms or have a safe in your house doesn't mean that your values are going to continue on in perpetuity.
Speaker A:It has to be something that's nurtured.
Speaker A:It has to be something, you know, that you allow some creativity in yourself and in your family to, you know, build, create, innovate.
Speaker A:Because that is where the next generation of our innovators is going to come from.
Speaker A:They're not just going to.
Speaker A:People don't just wake up one day and it's like I'm going to do this and have had zero interest in it before.
Speaker A:That's not generally what happens.
Speaker A:You have to have those foundations and then build upon them.
Speaker C:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker C:And I think it's important, I think it goes back to.
Speaker C:I can't remember where I've heard this and I'll butcher it and how I say it, but it's, you know, my, my great grandfather, you know, walked to work.
Speaker C:My, you know, grandfather rode a bike, my dad drove a Honda, I drive a BMW.
Speaker C:My, my kid will drive a Ferrari and my great or my grandkid will walk again.
Speaker C:And it's that, that continual evolve that we give our children, we want our children to have better and better.
Speaker C:And some of that is that we end up giving them things.
Speaker C:We don't teach them things.
Speaker C:And one of the things, if you look back and me personally, things I remember, I don't remember what I got, what I was given.
Speaker C:I remember what experience I had, what values.
Speaker C:I was taught that the things I did with family or learned from them were a lot of my love for mechanical and stuff came from, oddly enough, as you said, my grandfather woodworking.
Speaker C:So that was that.
Speaker C:I'm not that great at it either.
Speaker C:I'm much more into metal because you can always add metal a lot easier than you can wood when you mess up.
Speaker C:But it came from teaching those simple things and then growing from that.
Speaker C:And it is very easy and especially in today's world where it is fast paced and you know, and I think one of the problems is, you know, parents rely too much on schools to teach this stuff.
Speaker C:And we're back, you know, 20 years ago, schools were teaching, you know, a lot of this stuff for, you know, good things.
Speaker C:So there was a little bit of that.
Speaker C:But, you know, we, you know, just because we take our kids out shooting once or twice a month or a year, you know, or, you know, once a month, whatever it may be, it's important to, you know, beyond the fun of it, teach them, you know, you know, what, why it is important, like you were saying earlier, and the legacy of it.
Speaker C:And it's important to, you know, understand why we have this.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:You know, what, this even more than safety, what this tool is used for and what good things can come from it too.
Speaker A:No, I agree that so often it's easy for us to neglect the why because the why is complicated.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Um, and especially with social media being so prevalent with everybody, just as a, as an example and, and I'll be a little bit self deprecating Here, you know, it used to be very common even for families to sit around and watch a movie altogether.
Speaker A:There was like a central meeting location.
Speaker A:And then now, you know, you can go into someone's house and They've got a TV in the kitchen and a TV in the living room and TVs all over the house and everybody's compartmentalized.
Speaker A:The problem is with that is again, when you have a weekend family unit, which is just an outpouring of that, and then you have a weekend community and you're not investing in the community, you're not going out with friends, you're not having those experiences, you don't know what's going to spark the interest.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so I think it's super valuable.
Speaker A:And we often encourage people that are wanting to be better advocates for the second amendment or just better gun owners.
Speaker A:Take a class, take a class with a friend, a spouse, whoever, and then go try a competition.
Speaker A:Go do things that are centered around something that you love.
Speaker A:One, you'll probably find that you gain a lot of skills rather fast and, and then two, it just, it shows you where your interests lie.
Speaker A:It shows you how you want to upgrade your, your, your AR and what you want to build next.
Speaker A:And, and then you end up having a monumentally long wish list.
Speaker A:And that's fine.
Speaker A:Everybody needs something to work for.
Speaker A:But again, it kind of always comes back to what are the fundamentals?
Speaker A:What are we doing here?
Speaker A:Why do we care?
Speaker A:And so that.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:The legacy, the camaraderie, the natural rights, all of those things are the foundational pieces that allow us to have long term success.
Speaker C:Yeah, I understand.
Speaker C:Just like you're saying, it's getting out and meeting people and, you know, it's a lot different.
Speaker C:And while, you know, social media helps us in some ways, it also, I think, you know, harms us that it gets very easy to live your life and that, and that personal communication and relationships you build that.
Speaker C:I tend to take that and it retains a lot more with me than reading stuff on Social or watching a video on Social all the time or is going out with that community.
Speaker C:And you learn so much, I think, from a mental state of your mind.
Speaker C:That's where I think after Covid and all that, everybody was kind of in their remote and, you know, living in that digital age.
Speaker C:I think the digital age is great in a lot of essence, but I still think you've got to be out there in the community and skill development is, I think, you know, a lot of people, they're either scared that they're going to go look like a fool, you know.
Speaker C:But I think there's so many opportunities within, you know, local gun ranges.
Speaker C:And I think, you know, one of the things that's happened in the last, you know, 15 years is so many different indoor ranges too that have this where it wasn't as readily available for people.
Speaker C:You had to go out to range and now where you have a lot of indoor ranges, a lot of new, I've been to some beautiful ones people are building and you have that opportunity to go out at whatever skill level and learn and continually improve and meet people along the way that become very good friends with an affinity for the same desire.
Speaker C:And I think it helps grow our community because as you do that and even talking to coworkers or somebody that may not be into is, oh, what are you doing this weekend?
Speaker C:Oh, we're going, taking a class, the range, you should come.
Speaker C:But it opens a door in the conversation to, you know, and for other people and especially with a basic, you know, first shots kind of deal of nobody, you know, and being able to invite people out there to try it.
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Speaker B:We've been talking about community and I think this is something that's important that we're seeing and we talked about the trades as well.
Speaker B:You know, Kaylee and I's generation, we were told college, college, college, right?
Speaker B:And a lot of people didn't go into the trades.
Speaker B:Now we're seeing a shift again that hey, we maybe want to send some people to the trades because we don't have it.
Speaker B:And I think that has a lot to do.
Speaker B:The other thing that I'm seeing is because even my parents generation and the kind of the Gen Xers too, that was, it was even though they were around or they left, they stayed within their community.
Speaker B:So the family ecosystem kind of stay there.
Speaker B:But with some of us in the millennial generation stuff, we've kind of been nomads and kind of gone and expanded and not really built that sense of community.
Speaker B:I know, like I live in Phoenix, which is definitely a transplant town.
Speaker B:It is not, it is not like so like I grew up in Ohio, Lived in Ohio.
Speaker B:In Ohio.
Speaker B:When I moved to a new city, it was still that sense of community.
Speaker B:You knew your neighbors, you talked to your neighbors.
Speaker B:In Phoenix, it's like, I know one neighbor, the guy next door is super nice, and the people across the street have kids.
Speaker B:But you don't see that sense of community a lot because everybody's kind of nomad, and everyone comes from different areas where community means different things.
Speaker B:So I don't know how we fix that, but I'm hoping that it gets back to where you can talk to your neighbors and.
Speaker B:And it's not just talking to them through the Ring app.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I have to say that, because that's the other thing is, like, you brought up experiences, but I also think we were the last generation to actually have that experiences.
Speaker B:Like, we weren't monitored like a helicopter.
Speaker B:Like, we went out, the street lights came on.
Speaker B:Street lights came on.
Speaker B:We went.
Speaker B:And you got.
Speaker B:You went home.
Speaker B:That was when you went home.
Speaker C:But I wasn't allowed in before the streetlight came on.
Speaker B:Oh, no, not at all.
Speaker B:Wasn't allowed in.
Speaker B:Was out there playing.
Speaker B:Like, we were probably the last generation to go play the woods and do it.
Speaker B:And I think that technology is great, but you can't be used, like, you brought up.
Speaker B:There's TVs in every room.
Speaker B:You can't be using it as a babysitter, even though it's a great babysitter, depending on the time.
Speaker B:Not that, but it's easy.
Speaker C:As a parent, me having four kids, I caught myself doing it.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, they're happy.
Speaker C:They're not bugging me.
Speaker C:But it's like, wait, they're just playing a game or watching tv.
Speaker C:It's like, no, let's go outside and do something.
Speaker C:I think it is technology, the youth.
Speaker C:And that's where for, you know, in two A community, it's important for parents to take the time and go do those experiences.
Speaker C:At the end of the day, you know, what we tend to remember the most are experiences.
Speaker C:And that's what are most impactful, at least to me.
Speaker C:And a lot of people I've talked to is those are the things I remember from.
Speaker C:There's so much of my childhood I've blacked out.
Speaker C:Wasn't always the greatest childhood.
Speaker C:It was okay.
Speaker C:But the things I do remember are those good experiences, you know, that.
Speaker C:That have stuck with me and it's important to.
Speaker C:And none of those happened, you know, watching a TV show or playing a video game.
Speaker C:It was, you know, interacting with the family.
Speaker C:And stuff and doing something, you know, outside.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:I grew up hearing my dad's stories about how he would go across the board.
Speaker B:He grew up in Buffalo so he could go across the board of Canada and come back and hear all those stories.
Speaker B:And then I want to have those experiences and have that thought.
Speaker B:I hope our generation passes along the same stories except in less details because, yeah, it's just funny.
Speaker C:I'm so thankful social media didn't exist when I was younger.
Speaker C:I feel bad for my kids as they know it's all out there and I tried.
Speaker C:And it's another thing with, you know, the younger generation and I have this theory and I blame it on Jackass.
Speaker C:The show.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Is like that was kind of the turning point where, like, it became cool to be an idiot on social.
Speaker C:And then you have all these kids aspiring to do it.
Speaker C:And I'm like, that lives forever, guys.
Speaker C:Like, it doesn't go away.
Speaker C:You know, that's going to haunt you later on.
Speaker C:And I think that's where that's my theory.
Speaker C:On the turn of like, where, you know, social media started becoming bad is like, that's what everybody wanted.
Speaker C:The likes and people value way too much what likes and stuff is on social media.
Speaker C:Personal connections is what's important.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's some VHS tapes somewhere in Ohio that I'm not going to be proud of.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure those are all.
Speaker B:I hope so.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean, and that's the thing.
Speaker B:That was what we did though.
Speaker B:You went out and had fun.
Speaker B:You had a video camera with a VHS tape and you were like, ah, for those who are young, VHS is what we used to use.
Speaker B:They were this.
Speaker B:And you had to rewind them.
Speaker B:It wasn't all different kind.
Speaker C:Rewind.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, I think, you know, we're running out of time, so I'll make this last statement.
Speaker A:And I think, you know, the, the crux of the last 10 minutes of conversation comes down to what are you investing in?
Speaker A:Whether you're investing in your.
Speaker A:Your family, which.
Speaker A:Highly recommend.
Speaker A:Whether you're investing in the right ar.
Speaker A:Highly recommend.
Speaker A:Whatever is important to you is what you're going to invest in.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And so I think that if we can take that from this, we're going to be better tomorrow than we were today.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:And I think those reminders are good.
Speaker A:I think we all innately know that.
Speaker A:I don't think we're blowing anyone's mind here with the, hey, you know, this is a value system that we want to have legacy.
Speaker A:You know, we want to pass these things down.
Speaker A:Companies are building them with the intention of passing them down.
Speaker A:You know, it all comes down to that investment.
Speaker A:And so I think that is a good reminder on a Wednesday.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker B:Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.
Speaker B:Go ahead and tell folks where they can find you all that stuff.
Speaker B:Any parting words?
Speaker C:You can find [email protected] and then same thing for Instagram and X and Facebook.
Speaker C:No, I think the parting words are what we talked about is to, to, you know, take the passion and it's important for us to get out there and do it and don't be afraid to be different.
Speaker C:You know, make something unique.
Speaker C:And that's one of the things I hope we are able to do with the AR market is to take it away from just a black rifle, but built to perform craft and impress and, you know, be proud of your creation.
Speaker B:So thank you again to Palmetto State Armory for sponsoring our gift for our guests for season three and as well as season two.
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