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Colorado Home of Heroes and its Medal of Honor recipients
Episode 80 • 9th October 2023 • Talk With History: Discover Your History Road Trip • Scott and Jenn of Walk with History
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William J. Crawford was a janitor at the US Air Force Academy in the 1980s...little did the cadets know his amazing history.

Master Sergeant Crawford had been awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions during World War II...but because he was a POW and thought dead, he never received his MOH from a President (as is tradition). A USAF cadet discovered this and was able to get this hero the ceremony he never had.

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Scott:

The squadrons and dets ended up getting assigned, you know, overseas.

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But Clark Gable actually trained there.

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I think he was an officer, maybe

Jenn:

I think he was an officer, maybe a major.

Scott:

Yeah.

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When the public found out that he was training there, the phone lines would

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get jammed up for hours every now and then with his fans trying to get a

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hold of him, trying to kind of wish him

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luck, or girls trying to call him, or whatever it was, because

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he was still a famous movie

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star.

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Welcome to talk with history.

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I am your host, Scott here with my wife and

Jenn:

Hello.

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this podcast, inspired world travels, YouTube channel journey,

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deeper conversations with the curious,

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Now I don't have any like fancy wordy intro tonight, but I do want

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Oh, we would.

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Yeah.

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We will call each of those out, each of those groups out at least once a

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month on the podcast So, Jen, we are talking, people kind of saw the show

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title about Medal of Honor, so tell us a little bit about, kind of, why

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we're talking about Medal of Honor

Jenn:

Tell us a little bit about Medal of Honor recipients tonight.

Jenn:

highest recognition bestows

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the United States military bestows on a service member and

Jenn:

Teddy Roosevelt really lobbied for one and never received it and General

Jenn:

George Patton when said I would sell my immortal soul for that metal Yes

Jenn:

The Medal of Honor was first authorized in 1861 for the sailors and Marines, and

Jenn:

the following year for soldiers as well.

Jenn:

So it was first authorized during the Civil War and

Scott:

Okay.

Scott:

So that's, that's when it started.

Scott:

So the medal of honor began coming out of the civil war, 1861.

Scott:

It looks like from what I can see here, the efforts of Senator James

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Grimes and the secretary of Navy Gideon Wells, we actually,

Jenn:

or

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twice we have mm-hmm.

Scott:

and.

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inspire sailors to valorous service, and each of the, what I, one of the

Scott:

things I found interesting, and I've found this over the course we've talked

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about but each service, each service's actually is a little bit different.

Scott:

you see each one, they're not all the exact kind of actual metal, right?

Scott:

The Army's is that's one thing that until I started making videos,

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I actually didn't realize that.

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They still have that classic kind of ribbon collar with the stars square and

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then the metal that hangs down from it.

Scott:

But each service

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

And you were thinking of the first formal system for rewarding acts of

Jenn:

individual gallantry by the nation's fighting men was established by General

Jenn:

George Washington, August 7, 1782.

Jenn:

And that was designed to recognize any singularity meritorious

Jenn:

recognize any singularly , meritorious

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action.

Jenn:

And the award consisted of a purple cloth heart.

Jenn:

So it's kind of how the purple heart started.

Jenn:

It's not what the purple heart Is, is now

Scott:

started.

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it's for

Jenn:

wounded in action.

Jenn:

So, But the, but it was started by George Washington recognized, but

Jenn:

the actual title medal of honor did not come around until Civil War.

Jenn:

And you remember us talking about Secretary of Navy Gideon

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Wells because of the ironclad.

Jenn:

So and because we talk about Mary Lovestry.

Jenn:

She presented the plans for the ironclad to him.

Jenn:

So if you wanna listen to any of those episodes, the Battle of the Ironclads and

Jenn:

Mary Vetri, she was the spy down here.

Jenn:

African American spy who got the plans when they were building

Jenn:

when the south was building their

Scott:

and pretty pivotal to but to bring it back to the Medal of Honor while

Scott:

we're talking about it today, again, this is another thing that we got to

Scott:

see on our jam packed Western road trip when we were again in Pueblo, Colorado

Scott:

at the Pueblo Weisbrod Air And one of the displays that they had there was

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kind of this whole section to service men and women mostly historical stuff.

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They had a Medal of Honor

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section, and we, we weren't expecting

Jenn:

We weren't expecting that.

Jenn:

And what's very interesting is Dwight D.

Jenn:

Eisenhower, Upon presenting one of these Medal of Honors to one of these recipients

Jenn:

from Pueblo, Colorado, said to him in

Jenn:

1953, What is it?

Jenn:

Something in the water out there in Pueblo?

Jenn:

All you guys turn out to be heroes.

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And so, Then in 1993, there was a congressman who read

Jenn:

into the congressional record information about Pueblo and its

Jenn:

recipients of the Medal of Honor.

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And he cited at the time, it was the only city in a record to have

Jenn:

four living recipients of the Medal of Honor from the same hometown.

Scott:

And so we actually open our video with John Hill,

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who's one of the docents there.

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And he taught, he showed us the picture of all four recipients,

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you know, living at the time.

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I think today, which in June, you know, for us a I think there was

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only one that was, that was still

Jenn:

There's only one still

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living

Scott:

still living so who were, who were the four?

Scott:

That we're from

Jenn:

So Pueblo, Colorado has since been called the home of heroes because of this.

Jenn:

So you have four Congressional Medal of Honor recipients.

Jenn:

You have William J.

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Crawford, Army, World War II.

Jenn:

He's the one we Ok we're just going to go through what happened in Vietnam, and I

Jenn:

want to share These four gentlemen are all from Pueblo, Colorado, and what they did.

Jenn:

So when you read about what they did.

Jenn:

it's why

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the Medal of Honor is such a prestigious, you know, award.

Jenn:

It's that next level, right?

Jenn:

And we we focus on Crawford.

Jenn:

because his story is just so interesting.

Jenn:

Crawford is a World War II fighter.

Jenn:

He basically disarms three machine gun nests of the Nazis during

Jenn:

World War II single handedly.

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Just kind of runs out there, throws grenades.

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His grenades happen to be spot on.

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Blows up these nests.

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He's able to, basically, his men are taking so much

Jenn:

fire that they can't get by.

Jenn:

He takes a ton of fire.

Jenn:

And it's almost like he says, like, the bullets were going between his legs

Scott:

he, and he says it himself, in some of the video that we cut in, because for

Scott:

a lot of these Medal of Honor that are more modern there's a site, and it's, if

Scott:

you Google it, you can find it pretty but it's a lot of them telling their story.

Scott:

And so we found that video, and I, I kind of cut it in to, to

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John talking about it as well.

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And, and he literally says, like, I, I ran, he's like, and I.

Scott:

He basically sounds surprised he didn't get shot.

Scott:

He's like, bullets must have been going between my

Jenn:

And it's just like.

Jenn:

Totally badass, but so he does this.

Jenn:

He's in Italy at the time and subsequently he gets captured and he

Jenn:

spends 19 months as a prisoner of war.

Jenn:

But during those 19 months he is awarded the Medal of Honor.

Jenn:

And so because he's a prisoner of war and they actually think he has

Scott:

thought he was

Jenn:

they posthumously present the medal to his father and

Jenn:

Truman presents it to his father.

Jenn:

And so again, and then he's He's, you know, he's at least as a

Jenn:

prisoner, he comes back home, gets the Medal of Honor from his father.

Jenn:

So he's never given his Medal of Honor from a president, which is how you

Jenn:

should receive the Medal of Honor.

Jenn:

You should get it from the sitting president.

Scott:

and he actually, I did a little bit further research.

Scott:

He comes back and he finishes a full career in the army.

Scott:

retires as a Master Sergeant Which is in, which is incredible to me.

Scott:

So here he, here he is, he comes back, you receives his medal of honor from his dad.

Scott:

Right.

Scott:

You know,

Jenn:

Oh yeah, while you're a prisoner, I got this from the

Scott:

right.

Scott:

And then finishes a full career, retires as a master sergeant.

Scott:

And then how, so how did we, how

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did, how did

Jenn:

after retirement, he takes a job as a custodian at the Air Force Academy,

Jenn:

because it's not far from Pueblo,

Scott:

45 minutes

Jenn:

And so he's, you know, he wants to mentor young cadets and he's a,

Jenn:

you know, he's the custodian there.

Jenn:

And then one of the cadets writes a paper.

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And I.

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And he writes his paper on the janitor's lessons and leadership.

Jenn:

And then they start to look up his background and realize that he

Jenn:

has achieved the Medal of Honor.

Jenn:

But

Scott:

he was doing

Scott:

research for

Jenn:

he was to be for, for the

Scott:

he recognized the name.

Scott:

Mm-hmm.

Scott:

, and went and asked him.

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He's like, Hey, are you the William J.

Scott:

Crawford?

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Who's the William J.

Scott:

Crawford in this Medal of Honor book over

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here?

Scott:

And

Scott:

he was like, yeah, that's me.

Scott:

Yeah.

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. And

Jenn:

that's when they came to realize he never received his Medal

Jenn:

of Honor from a sitting president.

Jenn:

So at the Air Force Academy graduation, President 1985 at that ceremony.

Jenn:

Presents him with the Medal of Honor.

Jenn:

Cool.

Jenn:

It was pretty cool.

Jenn:

Mm-hmm.

Jenn:

. Scott: Reagan presents him with the clip of Reagan speaking,

Jenn:

calling him up on stage.

Jenn:

Now, he, he knew.

Jenn:

He was in, he was in, William Crawford was wearing his but he calls him up on

Jenn:

stage, you know, gives him the medal.

Jenn:

And then, of course, Reagan has to be Reagan.

Jenn:

Like, he like, He, he finishes that whole little mini presentation, then he looks

Jenn:

around because everybody's standing up for presentation, and he kind of looks

Jenn:

and speaks to someone off to the side, and he's like, I think everybody can

Jenn:

see, sit down, right, and you hear from the, from the side, he's like, oh, yes,

Jenn:

sir, yes, sir, he's like, okay, and he just tells everybody, yeah, sit down, sit

Jenn:

down.

Jenn:

and everybody just kind of laughs because Reagan has that aura, right, he has that,

Jenn:

that presence and that timing, and then he just says, , sometimes I don't know my

Jenn:

own power, right, just because he asked everybody to sit down, and he's always

Jenn:

cracking jokes, right, it's, it's Reagan just kind of, Making moments light.

Jenn:

And he, Reagan also humbles himself in that moment, as most presidents do

Jenn:

when they present the Medal of Honor, that that person is actually like the highest.

Jenn:

Achiever of America's respect at that moment even more than

Jenn:

the president in that moment.

Jenn:

We talked about Drew Dix He's the one who's currently still living.

Jenn:

He was army during Vietnam What he did is totally badass too during

Jenn:

the Tet Offensive of 1968 Although outnumbered at least 30 to 1

Jenn:

He led a small contingent of troops on a harrowing 56 hour battle

Jenn:

against two Viet Cong battalions.

Jenn:

And he rescued a ton of civilians.

Jenn:

He rescues a young nurse, eight volunteers, two Filipino workers,

Jenn:

a young Vietnamese girl, a wife and children of the chief in the area.

Jenn:

And acting alone, he assaulted enemy strongholds, secured key buildings, and

Jenn:

captured over 20 prisoners, including one of the highest ranking officers

Jenn:

ever seized during the Vietnam I know.

Jenn:

That's why the Medal of Honor is like next level.

Scott:

That's why the in the, in military former military that

Scott:

and throughout my career and

Scott:

throughout your you get to every now and then we kind of say, Hey,

Scott:

this is one of those kind of Navy heritage they'll talk about some and

Scott:

they'll read the official citation.

Scott:

and I did that when I was in command, right, every now and then, once the

Scott:

Medal of Honor And it's just so hearing these stories thinking about, like,

Scott:

it's true self sacrifice because that person is not, almost at a point of

Scott:

not thinking of themselves whatsoever.

Scott:

The only thing they're is saving those around defeating the enemy.

Scott:

it's,

Scott:

It's,

Scott:

I, it's, it's difficult to even understand and

Jenn:

to even understand it.

Jenn:

People from Pueblo, Colorado.

Jenn:

He was a Korea Marine, and during the winter of 1950, General Douglas

Jenn:

MacArthur declared troops will be home by Christmas, but unknown to the

Jenn:

commander, the 1st Marine Division was being surrounded by over 120, 000 troops.

Jenn:

thousand Chinese troops.

Jenn:

And so on November 29th at the Chosin Reservoir, Carl Sitter received

Jenn:

his faithful orders to take East Hill and in frigid 60 below zero

Jenn:

conditions, and that's no joke,

Scott:

I've heard of this.

Scott:

The Battle of Chosin is very

Jenn:

Sitter and his men ended up on East Hill outnumbered at least 20 to 1.

Jenn:

They engaged the Chinese troops for three nights, many times in hand to hand combat.

Jenn:

And during that battle, Sitter remembers feeling as though he was

Jenn:

protected by an invisible shield.

Jenn:

He was able to strategically maneuver his men to take and hold East Hill.

Jenn:

He yelled words of inspiration to his fellow soldiers, and several

Jenn:

times Sitter refused evacuation and determinedly led his men out of the

Jenn:

Chosen Reservoir, leaving no one behind.

Jenn:

One of his boys, they were, they're called Carl's boys now retired.

Jenn:

Remember, it is the highlight of their life.

Jenn:

And he was a highly respected Marine colonel.

Scott:

of their Someone, you know, I'm not the history buff, but I remember

Scott:

learning about the Battle of You know, even, so at the Naval Academy again,

Scott:

hearing about it a couple times.

Scott:

I, I didn't, I don't think I even realized when we were talking about it because it

Scott:

was a relatively short segment when we recorded of it because we just weren't

Scott:

expecting And he kind of, and it's cool because in the video, again, the video

Scott:

will be linked in the, in the show notes, they actually have his backup.

Scott:

His like, I guess, replacement or whatever they call it, Medal

Scott:

of Honor there in the museum.

Scott:

And it's on kind of his, that's his uniform.

Scott:

Which, that's pretty incredible that a museum like this in Pueblo, Colorado,

Scott:

you know, home of heroes, gets to have this, something that's so significant.

Scott:

Because the Battle of Chosin, I mean, everybody

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

And what I really appreciate about these gentlemen is most of them are officers.

Jenn:

And you know, you hear, we, we always laugh about how officers are kind of

Jenn:

depicted in movies, how they're kind of, Oh, we don't know what's happening

Jenn:

and other people doing the job.

Jenn:

These are guys leading from the front.

Scott:

time.

Scott:

He was a major at the

Jenn:

He was a major at the time.

Jenn:

Like they're out in front.

Jenn:

They're doing it.

Jenn:

And like you said, he felt like he had an invisible shield to what

Jenn:

you had said before these, a lot of these recipients of Medal of Honors.

Jenn:

They

Jenn:

have really just completely put their lives out there on the line, right?

Jenn:

I think it's part of the saying when you read it, you know, to, to completely put

Jenn:

your own life at risk for the betterment of your troops and your people that

Jenn:

you, you really thought you didn't really think of your own personal life.

Jenn:

You were thinking of everyone else's life.

Jenn:

Like that's part of the verbiage, I think, of the Medal of

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

I wish I would have had a little more time to kind of read that and to soak that in.

Scott:

anybody listening, if you ever get a chance to, to visit, you know, the

Scott:

Denver area, Pueblo is not too far away.

Scott:

I highly recommend heading over to the museum there to kind of take that all in.

Scott:

It's an amazing You can spend, easily spend an entire there if you

Jenn:

And the, the last one, the Lieutenant Raymond Jerry

Jenn:

Murphy, he's Korean, 1953 he was a Marine, and there was a raid on

Jenn:

I think it's Ungok Hill in Korea.

Jenn:

And it was a cold day in February, 1953, again, these ungodly.

Jenn:

Cold temperatures it turned very grimly very quickly for the first and

Jenn:

second Marine platoons of able company.

Jenn:

Second Lieutenant Raymond Murphy was the third platoon leader with

Jenn:

the assignment of evacuation.

Jenn:

As the raid progressed, he became uneasy and he felt something might be wrong.

Jenn:

So defying direct orders, he kind of climbed up.

Jenn:

on the hill to assess the situation.

Jenn:

And it was just as he suspected.

Jenn:

The assault had been stalled because all the officers and NCOs of the

Jenn:

first two platoons had been killed.

Jenn:

So what he did knowing the raid had failed is he led his a very heroic rescue

Jenn:

mission to get everyone out of there.

Jenn:

And so under his command, he took enemy fire.

Jenn:

He made countless runs up.

Jenn:

the Hill.

Jenn:

Think of like Forrest Gump going back.

Jenn:

This is what he did.

Jenn:

He pulled other men back, provided cover.

Jenn:

He would provide a kind of air cover.

Jenn:

And this is the person who Eisenhower is presenting the Medal of Honor to

Jenn:

when he makes the statement, what's in the water with you guys in Pueblo?

Scott:

Pueblo?

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And so, He just, he received numerous wounds, refused treatment until everyone

Jenn:

else had been evacuated and treated.

Jenn:

So again, like you had, you said, there is a moment with soldiers where

Jenn:

they're just so a part of the mission that it really isn't about them.

Jenn:

their life anymore.

Jenn:

It's about everyone else's life and the, and seeing the mission through.

Jenn:

And what I appreciate about him as a young officer, because he's a

Jenn:

young lieutenant, is he is defying orders to figure out what's going on.

Jenn:

And when he sees that the mission has changed, he completely takes

Jenn:

the leadership upon himself to take control and evacuate everyone

Jenn:

from that from that offensive.

Jenn:

So, those are the four.

Jenn:

medal of honor recipients from Pueblo, Colorado.

Jenn:

It's their hometown.

Jenn:

And then we also showcase one in the video who is a civil war medal of honor

Jenn:

recipient, but he's buried in Pueblo.

Jenn:

He's not from Pueblo.

Jenn:

So there's basically five in the area and So again, at the time they were,

Jenn:

the four were living, and I think that's what made it the hometown of heroes,

Jenn:

because there might be other towns that have more Medal of Honor recipients

Jenn:

from that hometown, but because those four were living at the same time,

Jenn:

it's because they got that name.

Jenn:

And so it's just amazing.

Jenn:

Those stories, they just, I mean, you can see why that is the highest award.

Jenn:

It's not even an award.

Jenn:

The highest recognition you can get from our country for your military service.

Jenn:

And then we also showcased in that video the World War II

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

so they had a phenomenal section of just wouldn't call it memorabilia, right?

Scott:

But it's, it's items from World War II Korea and Vietnam and, you know,

Scott:

communi And they set it all up to, you know, it's even interactive for the

Scott:

kids.

Jenn:

Kind of have the aircraft that coincide with the kind of theaters

Jenn:

they were a part of in the military.

Scott:

Kind of those World War Two propaganda posters that some of

Scott:

them, like you said, I had never

Jenn:

And they were all original.

Jenn:

So of course they had the G, I wish I was a man, I joined the Navy, which I love.

Jenn:

I have the magnet of it on the refrigerator.

Jenn:

But they had one of Dory, Dory Miller, who is the, he was the cook on the

Jenn:

ship during Pearl Harbor attack.

Jenn:

When the gunman was killed, he took control of the surface to

Jenn:

air guns and shot down a plane.

Scott:

they just named an aircraft carrier

Jenn:

Mm hmm.

Jenn:

Yeah,

Jenn:

he was...

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And so, there was a poster of him.

Jenn:

There was some really cool ones there.

Jenn:

I always loved those

Jenn:

posters.

Scott:

then they had the kind of whole display of all the female That was neat.

Jenn:

So they really do.

Jenn:

I say it in the video.

Jenn:

They really do a good job of honoring women in service.

Jenn:

And there was about...

Jenn:

eight mannequins with full dress military uniforms.

Jenn:

They had Marines, they had Coast Guard, they had Navy, they had

Jenn:

Air Force, they had WASP uniforms.

Jenn:

So it was very neat to see a full female uniform from the, from that era

Jenn:

and and for the different services.

Jenn:

And then the last thing was the flight jackets.

Scott:

Yes, the flight jackets were really cool and, and I got some really fun shots

Scott:

of those and I have a feeling that if we'd have been able to spend more time on each

Scott:

one of them and the significance of why they were on display, we called out one.

Scott:

It was from the, the aircraft called Witchcraft and I guess it was called

Scott:

Witchcraft because it had done, you know, kind of an ungodly amount

Scott:

of successful missions without getting hit or ever pulling back.

Scott:

It's like 135

Jenn:

Yeah, and they thought there must be some kind of something

Jenn:

special, some kind of witchcraft about

Scott:

So this flight jacket had kind of witchcraft written

Scott:

on it and some of them had more decorations, kind of drawings on 'em.

Scott:

Yeah.

Scott:

Some of 'em were a little bit more plain.

Scott:

But it was cool seeing those old leather flight jackets.

Jenn:

Yes.

Jenn:

So, and most people know that I was a Navy pilot, so I was a naval aviator.

Jenn:

And when you get your wings, you get a brown leather.

Jenn:

Maybe issue flight jacket.

Jenn:

They're hard to get.

Jenn:

They're very expensive if you want to buy them off market.

Jenn:

And so to to receive it when you get your wings is a great

Jenn:

honor because you only get one.

Jenn:

And it's a throwback to this old era where you would fly in open cockpits or freezing

Jenn:

cold cockpits and you'd have to You have to be issued a brown leather jacket

Jenn:

because you'd be freezing in the cockpit.

Jenn:

And so now it's really just very ceremonial.

Jenn:

I flew with it one time over the Rockies.

Jenn:

I was freezing.

Jenn:

I put it on and I actually flew with it in the T 34.

Jenn:

But most time you don't really fly, you get it, you get another military

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jacket issued to you to fly with, but you, now we put patches on it and you

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wear, you pass it down and you have it in your family, but it's a throwback to

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when they really were used as part of your gear, as part of what you flew with

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because of the cockpits being so cold.

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And and it's just very cool to see the ones that were in action.

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And actually people have put stuff on them from the, you know, the flights they flew.

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And so they have a nice collection there at the Pueblo Museum.

Jenn:

, but one more thing I wanted to talk about real quick before is and

Jenn:

you just mentioned it real quick in the video, is that Clark Gable

Scott:

Yes.

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So the old Hollywood actor Clark

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Gable.

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Yes, the famous, you know,

Jenn:

Gone with the

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Gone with the Wind, Frankly Scarlet, I Don't Give a Damn.

Scott:

Right?

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That guy.

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He, right, because a lot of these You know, during World War Two,

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joined the

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they joined the military, And so he trained, and you actually

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didn't know this until after we left.

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So I was talking with, I think, the museum president.

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She was hanging out with me and the kids while you were sitting doing, filming

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with some of the other gentlemen.

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And she told me And it's it's actually, it's on their website.

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So if you go to, to their website, PWAM, P W A M dot O R

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G they, they show this on there.

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So that's where I pulled it off of.

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But Clark Gable actually trained there because that in Pueblo, there was a,

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there was a big training site there.

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And a lot of these air kind of, you know, the, the squadrons and dets ended

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up getting assigned, you know, overseas.

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But Clark Gable actually trained there.

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I think he was an officer, maybe

Jenn:

I think he was an officer, maybe a major.

Scott:

Yeah.

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And her story to me, and it says it on the website as well, is that when

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the public found out that he was training there, the phone lines would

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get jammed up for hours every now and then with his fans trying to get a

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hold of him, trying to kind of wish him

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luck, or girls trying to call him, or whatever it was, because

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he was still a famous movie

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star.

Jenn:

luck, or girls trying to call him, or whatever it was,

Jenn:

because he was still a famous

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that's only, it's only a few years later.

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So here he is in Pueblo, Colorado, training, you know,

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in flying and stuff like that.

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And people are trying to get ahold of him, jamming up the entire town's

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phone lines for multiple hours at a

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time.

Jenn:

can totally see that happening.

Jenn:

What would be neat too is like, he probably is, you know,

Jenn:

he's flying, so he's probably making radio calls and stuff.

Jenn:

So if you're on a tower, if you're in control in Pueblo, it would be his

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voice on the radio making radio calls.

Jenn:

So that's really

Scott:

That, that was neat.

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That was just kind of a quick call out that I put in the beginning of

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the video when I'm kind of, I'm doing kinda like a pop-up video thing,

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kind of talking about the, the little bit of the backstory of the military

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training sites in Pueblo, Colorado.

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