This episode is the full audiobook recording of Advisory Teams, written and read by Tim Seymour and Deb Halliday.
Advisory Teams is built around one simple but powerful idea:
Advisory should never depend on one person.
Too many accountants, bookkeepers, and financial professionals make the shift from compliance into advisory, only to create a new bottleneck — themselves. They become the centre of every conversation, every decision, and every client relationship.
That model creates pressure. It limits growth. And eventually, it caps the business.
In this audiobook, Tim and Deb share their combined experiences of building, scaling, and evolving advisory-led practices, showing what it really takes to move beyond technician work and build something bigger.
This is not just about becoming a better advisor.
It is about building advisory capability across your business.
Inside this book, we explore the frameworks, conversations, systems, and team structures that allow advisory to scale without relying on the owner to carry it all.
From pricing and positioning, to client conversations, authority, leadership, and collaboration, Advisory Teams lays out a practical model for building a stronger, more sustainable advisory practice.
If you want to move beyond compliance, build deeper client relationships, and create a practice that grows without becoming the bottleneck, this audiobook will show you how.
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Advisory Teams A New Model for Scalable Advisory Practices without the Bottleneck Written and read by Tim Seymour and Deb Halladay Introduction why this Book Needed to be Written this book wasn't planned.
Speaker A:It came from a realization.
Speaker A:One that built slowly over time through experience, frustration, and ultimately, change.
Speaker A:Over the years, we both found ourselves facing the same challenge.
Speaker A:Not at the beginning of our journeys, but after.
Speaker A:We had already built successful businesses.
Speaker A:We had clients, we had teams, we had stability.
Speaker A:But something wasn't working.
Speaker A:We were both delivering more value than ever.
Speaker A:Yet everything still depended on us.
Speaker A:We had become the bottleneck.
Speaker B:My turning point.
Speaker B: I started my journey in: Speaker B:Over time, I began to see more than just the numbers.
Speaker B:I could see the stories behind them, the missed opportunities, the misaligned decisions, the gaps between what business owners wanted and what they were actually achieving.
Speaker B:Naturally, my conversations with clients began to change.
Speaker B: By: Speaker B:I moved into advisory.
Speaker B:The conversations improved, the results improved, the value increased.
Speaker B:But very quickly, I saw the problem.
Speaker B:I had replaced one role with another.
Speaker B:Instead of being the person doing the bookkeeping, I had become the person delivering all of the advisory.
Speaker B:And everything still relied on me.
Speaker B:That moment changed everything.
Speaker B:Because I realized advisory, if built around one person, doesn't scale.
Speaker A:Tim's Turning Point My journey followed a similar pattern.
Speaker A:I built my practice around compliance services.
Speaker A:Like many accountants do.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:It worked.
Speaker A:It was predictable.
Speaker A:It created a solid foundation.
Speaker A:But over time, I saw where the real value sat.
Speaker A:Not in the numbers themselves, but in what they meant.
Speaker A:So I introduced advisory.
Speaker A:Clients valued it.
Speaker A:The conversations improved, the results were stronger.
Speaker A:But the same issue emerged.
Speaker A:The more advisory I delivered, the more the business depended on me.
Speaker A:I had created a higher value service and a new bottleneck.
Speaker A:At that point, I made a decision.
Speaker A:I moved away from compliance and focused fully on advisory.
Speaker A:And that's when I began working with other accountants and bookkeepers.
Speaker A:And that's when I saw the pattern.
Speaker A:Clearly they were facing the exact same challenge.
Speaker A:The shared realization.
Speaker A: we began working together in: Speaker A:How do you deliver advisory without becoming the bottleneck?
Speaker A:Because that's where most firms get stuck.
Speaker A:They successfully transition from technician to advisor.
Speaker A:But advisory becomes dependent on them.
Speaker A:And that limits everything.
Speaker A:Growth, capacity, impact.
Speaker A:What needed to change?
Speaker A:We realized something fundamental.
Speaker A:Advisory should not sit at the top of a business as a founder led service.
Speaker A:It should be built into the team.
Speaker A:It should be structured, it should be repeatable.
Speaker A:It should be something that can be delivered consistently without relying on one individual.
Speaker A:Because that is where real scale happens.
Speaker A:What we built through our combined experience, we began developing a different approach.
Speaker A:One that separates education from advisory.
Speaker A:One that trains teams, not just business owners.
Speaker A:One that turns advisory from something personality led into into something process led.
Speaker A:This book is the result of that work.
Speaker A:Not theory, not opinion, but a practical, proven way to move from technician to advisor to building a team of advisors.
Speaker A:What this Book will Do this book will show you why most firms get stuck when they move into advisory how to remove yourself as the bottleneck, how to build advisory capability within your team, and how to create a business that delivers real value without depending entirely on you.
Speaker A:Because a business that relies on one person is not scalable and it's certainly not sustainable.
Speaker A:A final thought advisory is not the end goal.
Speaker A:Building a business that can deliver advisory.
Speaker B:Without you is Chapter one When Compliance Stops Being Enough Confidence isn't the absence of doubt, it's taking action in spite of it.
Speaker B:Conversations the conversations that shape your thinking are often the ones you didn't expect to have.
Speaker B:Over the years, we have both had countless conversations with accountants and bookkeepers who found themselves asking similar questions.
Speaker B:Many had built successful firms.
Speaker B:Their clients trusted them, their teams worked hard, and their businesses were stable.
Speaker B:But despite that success, something didn't feel quite right.
Speaker B:Their days were full, yet their impact felt limited.
Speaker B:Most of their time was spent responding to deadlines, submissions, and technical queries.
Speaker B:Rarely did they have the space to step back and help clients think strategically about their businesses.
Speaker B:And when those conversations did happen, they often proved to be the most valuable moments of the entire client relationship.
Speaker B:Those were the moments when the accountant's expertise went far beyond compliance.
Speaker B:Those were the moments when real advisory work began.
Speaker B:What surprised many of these professionals was not their ability to advise.
Speaker B:It was how naturally those conversations emerged once they allowed themselves to have them.
Speaker B:The Hidden Opportunity in the Profession Accounting professionals sit closer to the financial truth of a business than almost anyone else.
Speaker B:They see patterns in revenue, cost structures, cash flow, and profitability.
Speaker B:They understand how decisions made today will affect financial results months or years into the future.
Speaker B:Yet many professionals underestimate the value of this perspective.
Speaker B:Years of training encourage caution, precision, and technical accuracy.
Speaker B:These are essential qualities, but they can also create an unintended limitation.
Speaker B:Many professionals begin to see themselves purely as technicians rather than strategic partners.
Speaker B:In reality, the profession is uniquely positioned in to guide business owners through some of their most important decisions.
Speaker B:Pricing growth profitability, investment risk.
Speaker B:When accountants begin to interpret financial information in that broader context, their role expands significantly.
Speaker B:And with that expansion comes a new level of value for clients.
Speaker B:When Conversations Start to Change for me, this shift began with curiosity.
Speaker B:Instead of focusing purely on the technical aspects of a client's business, I became more interested in understanding why business owners started in the first place.
Speaker B:What were they hoping to achieve?
Speaker B:What did success look like to them?
Speaker B:These conversations revealed something important.
Speaker B:Many business owners were not experiencing the outcomes they had originally imagined.
Speaker B:By shifting the focus of early conversations away from compliance and towards outcomes, everything began to change.
Speaker B:Discovery calls became less about technical requirements and more about the client's goals, challenges and direction.
Speaker B:As a result, prospects began to see me differently than they felt understood.
Speaker B:And that shift led to stronger relationships and more meaningful work.
Speaker B:Rethinking the Role of the Accountant For Tim, the realisation came from experience.
Speaker B:His practice was built around compliance services priced in line with the market.
Speaker B:But over time, the pressure began to build.
Speaker B:The monthly cycle of delivering work, chasing payments and covering costs became exhausting.
Speaker B:And it raised an important question.
Speaker B:Was this really the best way to serve clients or the best way to build a business?
Speaker B:The turning point came when he began introducing advisory conversations into his work.
Speaker B:At first it felt unfamiliar.
Speaker B:There was a natural hesitation that comes with stepping into a new role.
Speaker B:But with each conversation, confidence grew.
Speaker B:Clients began to respond differently.
Speaker B:They valued the strategic discussions, they engaged more deeply, and they were willing to invest more in the relationship.
Speaker B:Over time, this shift changed not only the client base, but the entire direction of the business.
Speaker B:Moving away from a purely compliance focused model became one of the most important decisions.
Speaker B:And once that shift was made, there was no desire to go back.
Speaker B:A Shared Realization through many conversations, we both arrived at a similar conclusion.
Speaker B:Traditional compliance work serves an important purpose, but it primarily serves the system.
Speaker B:Statutory accounts and tax submissions ensure obligations are met.
Speaker B:They provide historical information.
Speaker B:They fulfill regulatory requirements.
Speaker B:But they do not always help the client move forward.
Speaker B:Even management accounts, while useful, do not always provide the clarity needed to make confident decisions.
Speaker B:What clients truly need is understanding.
Speaker B:They need to know what the numbers mean, what actions they should take, and how to move forward with confidence.
Speaker B:And that is where advisory begins.
Speaker B:Not in the reports themselves, but but in the conversations around them.
Speaker B:A New Direction for the Profession over the last decade, we have seen a growing shift within the profession.
Speaker B:More firms are recognizing that the future of accounting will not be defined solely by compliance work.
Speaker B:Instead, the most successful firms are developing advisory capability alongside their technical services.
Speaker B:This shift does not happen overnight.
Speaker B:It requires new skills, new conversations, and often a new way of thinking about the role accountants play in their clients businesses.
Speaker B:But the firms that make this transition often discover something remarkable.
Speaker B:Their client relationships become stronger, their work becomes more meaningful, and their practices become more resilient.
Speaker B:Why this Book Exists the purpose of this book is to explore that transition not through theory alone, but through the patterns we have seen repeatedly in firms that successfully move from compliance led services to trusted advisory relationships.
Speaker B:Because advisory is not something reserved for a select few, it is a capability that can be developed and it grows through experience, reflection, and consistent conversations with clients.
Speaker B:My Perspective for me, everything changed when I stopped focusing on what needed to be reported and started focusing on what the client actually wanted from their business.
Speaker B:When I began asking better questions in discovery calls, conversations became more personal.
Speaker B:They were no longer about compliance or HMRC requirements.
Speaker B:They were about the client, their goals, and what they were trying to achieve.
Speaker B:That shift changed how prospects saw me.
Speaker B:They felt understood, and when that happens, the relationship becomes much stronger.
Speaker B:From the very beginning, Tim's perspective my.
Speaker A:Journey started in a very traditional way.
Speaker A:I built a practice around compliance work and priced it accordingly, which in hindsight was far too low.
Speaker A:I had fallen into the same thinking many others do that this work was widely available and therefore limited in value.
Speaker A:Over time, the pressure of that model became clear.
Speaker A:The constant cycle of delivering work and chasing income was exhausting.
Speaker A:Introducing advisory conversations changed everything.
Speaker A:At first I was unsure, but with each conversation I became more confident.
Speaker A:Clients responded differently.
Speaker A:They valued the discussions, engaged more deeply, and were willing to pay more for that level of support.
Speaker A:It also changed the type of clients I attracted.
Speaker A:Looking back, moving away from a compliance only model was one of the most important decisions I made.
Speaker B:A final thought.
Speaker B:Advisory does not begin with a new service.
Speaker B:It begins with a different conversation and often the simplest shift.
Speaker B:Asking better questions, listening more closely, and focusing on what truly matters to the client can change everything.
Speaker B:Advisory skills are developed through real life experiences, growing with each client conversation.
Speaker A:Chapter 2 the first step into advisory you don't scale advisory by working more.
Speaker A:You scale it by freeing your time.
Speaker A:First, before we go deeper into how advisory scales, let's look at how it actually begins in practice.
Speaker A:There comes a point in every accountant or bookkeeper's journey where something starts to feel off.
Speaker A:You're good at what you do, your clients rely on you.
Speaker A:You know their numbers inside out.
Speaker A:And yet your days are full not with strategic conversations or growth planning, but with questions the same Questions over and over again.
Speaker A:What expenses can I claim?
Speaker A:How much tax should I save?
Speaker A:How do dividends work?
Speaker A:You answer them.
Speaker A:Of course you do.
Speaker A:Because you care.
Speaker A:Because you're good at what you do.
Speaker A:But slowly, without realizing it, you become trapped in a cycle.
Speaker A:A cycle of reacting instead of leading, of answering instead of advising.
Speaker A:Of being busy but not moving forward.
Speaker A:And this is where most professionals get stuck.
Speaker A:Why Advisory feels out of reach when people talk about moving into advisory, it often sounds like a big leap.
Speaker A:Something complex, something you need new tools for, something you'll do when you have more time.
Speaker A:But the reality is, you don't step into advisory by learning more.
Speaker A:You step into advisory by creating space.
Speaker A:Because right now, your time is being consumed by repetition.
Speaker A:The real issue isn't lack of expertise.
Speaker A:It's how your time is being used.
Speaker A:If your day is filled answering the same questions repeatedly, there is no room left for higher value thinking.
Speaker A:An advisory requires thinking.
Speaker A:It requires reflection, interpretation, and conversation.
Speaker A:So before we talk about becoming an advisor, we need to address the real starting point.
Speaker A:Step one Free your time.
Speaker A:This is the shift most people overlook.
Speaker A:They try to add advisory on top of what they're already doing, but that doesn't work.
Speaker A:You don't scale advisory by working more.
Speaker A:You scale it by working differently.
Speaker A:The turning point comes when you stop being the only source of answers.
Speaker A:Because right now, every time a client asks a question, they come to you.
Speaker A:And every time you answer it, you reinforce that behavior.
Speaker A:You train your clients to rely on you for everything, which might feel like good service, but it's actually the thing holding you back.
Speaker A:The power of structured education.
Speaker A:Instead of answering the same questions repeatedly, you create a different system.
Speaker A:You build a place where those answers live.
Speaker A:A structured, consistent, accessible resource your clients can go to first.
Speaker A:This is where the idea of a business course library becomes transformational.
Speaker A:It's not just a resource, it's a shift in how your business operates.
Speaker A:Instead of repeating yourself, interrupting your workflow and reacting all day, you create consistency, efficiency, and space.
Speaker A:And something even more important happens.
Speaker A:You change your role in the relationship from answer giver to advisor.
Speaker A:When clients can access answers themselves, something powerful happens.
Speaker A:Your conversations begin to change.
Speaker A:They move from what can I claim?
Speaker A:To how do I improve my margins?
Speaker A:From how does tax work?
Speaker A:To what should I be doing differently?
Speaker A:And that is the beginning of advisory.
Speaker A:Because advisory is not about information.
Speaker A:It's about interpretation.
Speaker A:It's about helping clients understand what their numbers mean and what to do next.
Speaker A:Drawing the line Education versus advisory.
Speaker A:This is one of the most important Distinctions you will ever make.
Speaker A:And it's where many professionals go wrong.
Speaker A:Not everything you do should be chargeable, but not everything should be free either.
Speaker A:You need a clear boundary.
Speaker A:Education is standardized, repeatable, and the same for everyone.
Speaker A:Advisory is personal, contextual, and based on judgment.
Speaker A:For example, what expenses can I claim is education?
Speaker A:Should I restructure my business?
Speaker A:Is advisory?
Speaker A:How does VAT work?
Speaker A:Is education?
Speaker A:Is VAT registration right for me right now is advisory?
Speaker A:If you don't define this boundary, your time disappears.
Speaker A:If you do define it, your value increases because clients begin to understand that you're not just there to answer questions, you're there to guide decisions.
Speaker A:Step 2 Choose the right clients.
Speaker A:Once you've created space, the next step is not to offer advisory to everyone, is to choose carefully.
Speaker A:Because your first advisory experiences matter.
Speaker A:They shape your confidence, your belief, and how you show up.
Speaker A:And not every client is ready.
Speaker A:The best clients to start with are the ones who already have up to date records, are engaged and responsive, and are open to conversation.
Speaker A:These clients make advisory easier.
Speaker A:They listen, they act, and they value your input.
Speaker A:Most importantly, they help you succeed early.
Speaker A:On the other hand, some clients will hold you back if you start with them.
Speaker A:Disorganized clients, those focused only on compliance or those who are difficult to communicate with, are not ready for advisory yet.
Speaker A:They need structure, they need education, and that's exactly where your course library supports them.
Speaker A:Most client bases naturally fall into three groups.
Speaker A:The top 20% who are ready for advisory now, the middle 60% who can grow into it, and the bottom 20% who need education first.
Speaker A:Your role is not to force advisory onto everyone.
Speaker A:Your role is to meet them where they are and then guide them forward.
Speaker A:Step three Turning numbers into insight.
Speaker A:This is where your real value begins.
Speaker A:Because clients don't need more reports.
Speaker A:They need understanding.
Speaker A:They need clarity.
Speaker A:They need someone to connect the dots.
Speaker A:When you review a client's numbers, you're not just looking at totals.
Speaker A:You're looking for patterns.
Speaker A:Revenue trends, cost behavior, profit consistency, and cash flow movement are the signals, and your job is to interpret them.
Speaker A:Most professionals stop at this is what the numbers say.
Speaker A:Advisors go further, this is what it means.
Speaker A:And then further still.
Speaker A:This is what we should do.
Speaker A:A simple way to approach this is to spot the pattern, Ask why it's happening, understand what it means, and identify what could improve.
Speaker A:This is where you move from reporting to advising.
Speaker A:Adding empathy to commercial thinking is what makes this powerful.
Speaker A:Great advisors don't just analyze numbers.
Speaker A:They put themselves in the client's position.
Speaker A:They ask what would concern them most, what they would fix first and where value is being lost.
Speaker A:This is what makes advice land because it's not just correct, it's relevant.
Speaker A:Step 4 Starting the conversation.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker A:The moment many people hesitate.
Speaker A:Not because they don't know what to say, but because they're not used to leading.
Speaker A:Advisory requires you to step forward, to initiate and to guide.
Speaker A:You don't need a complicated script.
Speaker A:You just need clarity.
Speaker A:I've reviewed your numbers and noticed a couple of areas where we could improve things.
Speaker A:Can we book 20 minutes to talk it through?
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:Clear, confident and value led.
Speaker A:How to structure the conversation?
Speaker A:Keep it simple.
Speaker A:Observation, insight, suggestion.
Speaker A:For example, your costs have increased by 18%.
Speaker A:That's the observation.
Speaker A:This is putting pressure on your margins.
Speaker A:That's the insight.
Speaker A:Let's review where we can improve efficiency.
Speaker A:That's the suggestion.
Speaker A:No jargon, no over complication, just clarity.
Speaker A:Turning conversations into action the final step is commitment.
Speaker A:Not just talking, but moving forward.
Speaker A:Suggest specific times.
Speaker A:Set a clear agenda.
Speaker A:Define next steps.
Speaker A:Because advisory is not about conversations alone.
Speaker A:It's about outcomes.
Speaker A:Bringing it all together.
Speaker A:Advisory isn't a service you add.
Speaker A:It's a shift in how you operate.
Speaker A:It starts with freeing your time, creating structure, choosing the right clients, thinking differently about numbers and leading better conversations.
Speaker A:And most importantly, it starts with one decision to stop being the bottleneck and start becoming the advisor your clients actually need.
Speaker B:Chapter 3 the Technician Trap the real value you bring as an advisor is in turning numbers into next steps.
Speaker B:Why it's a Trap if the opportunity to become a trusted advisor is so powerful, why do so many professionals remain focused almost entirely on compliance work?
Speaker B:The answer is rarely capability.
Speaker B:In our experience, accountants and bookkeepers are more than capable of advising clients.
Speaker B:In fact, they often possess insights that business owners desperately need.
Speaker B:The real challenge lies somewhere else.
Speaker B:It lies in how the work itself is structured.
Speaker B:Most accounting practices are built around deadlines.
Speaker B:Tax returns must be filed.
Speaker B:Accounts must be prepared.
Speaker B:VAT submissions must be completed.
Speaker B:Payroll must be processed.
Speaker B:These responsibilities are essential, and they create a constant rhythm of work within the firm.
Speaker B:But they also create a particular way of operating.
Speaker B:Reactive, task focused, deadline driven.
Speaker B:Over time, this environment can quietly shape how professionals see their role.
Speaker B:Instead of stepping back to interpret financial results and guide decisions, they become experts at delivering the technical work required to meet compliance obligations.
Speaker B:This is what we call the technician trap.
Speaker B:How the trap Develops the technician trap rarely appears suddenly.
Speaker B:It develops.
Speaker B:Gradually, a practice grows.
Speaker B:Client numbers increase, deadlines multiply.
Speaker B:The team focuses on efficiency and delivery.
Speaker B:Over time, more and more of the firm's capacity becomes absorbed by compliance work.
Speaker B:And because the work is important, it always feels justified.
Speaker B:But something important begins to disappear.
Speaker B:The time and space required for deeper conversations with clients.
Speaker B:Instead of discussing strategy, many client meetings become focused on reporting results and answering technical questions.
Speaker B:The accountant remains highly valuable, but the relationship becomes narrower.
Speaker B:The client sees the accountant as someone who prepares financial information, rather than someone who helps shape business decisions.
Speaker B:We've both seen this happen repeatedly.
Speaker B:Practices don't set out to become reactive.
Speaker B:They grow into it.
Speaker B:And by the time it's recognized, it feels difficult to change because the entire structure of the business depends on it.
Speaker B:The cost of staying in the trap, Remaining in the technician trap, has consequences for both the firm and and its clients.
Speaker B:For the firm, it often means long hours, constant deadlines, and increasing pressure to deliver work efficiently.
Speaker B:Pricing becomes difficult to increase because the services appear similar to those offered by other firms.
Speaker B:And as automation continues to develop, many compliance tasks become increasingly commoditized.
Speaker B:For clients, the cost is more subtle.
Speaker B:They receive accurate reports on compliant accounts, but they may never benefit from the deeper insights their accountant could provide.
Speaker B:Opportunities go unexplored.
Speaker B:Risks remain unidentified.
Speaker B:Decisions are made without the financial guidance that could have strengthened them.
Speaker B:In many cases, both parties are capable of something far more valuable than they simply haven't changed the way the relationship works.
Speaker B:Recognizing the first step Forward Escaping the technician trap does not require abandoning compliance work.
Speaker B:Compliance remains the foundation of a well run accounting practice.
Speaker B:Instead, the shift begins with recognizing that technical expertise can be applied in a broader way.
Speaker B:The same financial knowledge used to prepare accounts can also be used to interpret them.
Speaker B:The same data used for reporting can be used to guide decisions.
Speaker B:When accountants begin to explore this possibility, their role naturally expands.
Speaker B:They remain technically excellent, but they also begin to ask better questions, interpret patterns, and help clients think more strategically about their businesses.
Speaker B:That is the beginning of advisory work.
Speaker B:And for many professionals, it is the moment when the practice of accounting becomes far more interesting.
Speaker B:Because when you step out of pure delivery and into interpretation, the work changes, the conversations change, and the impact you have on your clients changes too.
Speaker B:Energy, not just capability One of the most overlooked signs that someone is ready to move into advisory is is not skill, it's energy.
Speaker B:When you begin working more closely with clients, helping them make decisions and move their business forward, the work feels different.
Speaker B:It becomes more engaging, more meaningful, and often more energizing.
Speaker B:And that contrast can be a powerful signal.
Speaker B:Many professionals don't lack the ability to advise.
Speaker B:They've simply never created the space to experience what it feels like to work in that way consistently.
Speaker B:My Perspective When I rebuilt my business, I made a very deliberate decision.
Speaker B:I didn't want to be the one delivering compliance work myself.
Speaker B:I wanted to build the business and focus on helping my clients become more profitable.
Speaker B:I knew I couldn't do both, so I structured the business differently from the start.
Speaker B:I brought in highly skilled subcontractors to take ownership of the compliance work.
Speaker B:That allowed me to step back from the day to day delivery and focus on where I added the most value.
Speaker B:Interestingly, I also brought in support within advisory as well.
Speaker B:That was a key learning for me.
Speaker B:Advisory doesn't have to sit with one person either, but more on that later.
Speaker B:That decision created space, and that space allowed the firm to become an advisory firm and me to step back into my business owner role.
Speaker A:Tim's Perspective for me, the shift became very clear when I found a way to deliver advisory consistently.
Speaker A:I noticed a real difference in my energy.
Speaker A:When I was working with clients in an advisory capacity, I felt engaged, focused, and genuinely interested in the work.
Speaker A:But when I returned to compliance tasks, that that energy simply wasn't there.
Speaker A:That contrast told me everything I needed to know.
Speaker A:So when the opportunity came to sell the compliance side of the business, I didn't hesitate.
Speaker A:It allowed me to fully focus on the work I enjoyed most, supporting clients in a more meaningful way over time.
Speaker A:That passion didn't just stay with client work.
Speaker A:It evolved into helping accountants and bookkeepers make that same transition themselves.
Speaker B:A final thought the technician trap isn't a lack of ability.
Speaker B:It's a result of structure.
Speaker B:And once you begin to change that structure even slightly, you create the space for something different.
Speaker B:The right story for the right client at the right time can make all the difference.
Speaker A:Chapter 4 Valuing Advisory Work if you don't value your advisory services, you your clients won't either.
Speaker A:Confident pricing is the foundation of confident advisory confidence.
Speaker A:One of the biggest surprises we see when accountants begin moving into advisory is not a lack of technical skill.
Speaker A:It is a lack of confidence in pricing their advice.
Speaker A:After years of working within compliance models, where pricing is often dictated by the market, software, or traditional fee structures, many, many professionals struggle.
Speaker A:When the conversation shifts to advisory services.
Speaker A:The question becomes simple, but what is this advice actually worth?
Speaker A:For many accountants and bookkeepers, that question feels difficult to answer, not because the work lacks value, but because the value is different from what they are used to charging for.
Speaker A:Compliance work is usually priced around tasks, accounts prepared, returns submitted, payroll processed.
Speaker A:Advisory work is different.
Speaker A:It is not about completing tasks.
Speaker A:It is about creating outcomes.
Speaker A:And outcomes are far more valuable.
Speaker A:The Undervaluation Problem over the years, we have worked with many professionals who instinctively underprice their advisory work.
Speaker A:Sometimes this happens because they feel uncertain about how clients will react.
Speaker A:Sometimes it is because they compare advisory work to compliance fees rather than to the impact it creates.
Speaker A:And sometimes it is simply because the profession has historically been cautious about discussing money.
Speaker A:But underpricing advisory work has consequences.
Speaker A:When advisors undervalue their expertise, clients often undervalue it too.
Speaker A:Lower pricing can unintentionally send a message that the service is less important or less impactful.
Speaker A:And over time, it can make it harder to build a sustainable advisory practice.
Speaker A:We often ask accountants a simple if the advice you give helps a business owner make better decisions, increase profitability, or avoid costly mistakes, should it really be priced the same as a compliance task?
Speaker A:Most people quickly realize the answer is no.
Speaker A:But recognizing that value is only the first step.
Speaker A:Communicating it confidently is where the real shift happens.
Speaker A:Pricing is about Perception One of the most important things to understand about pricing advisory services is that it is not only about numbers.
Speaker A:It is about perception.
Speaker A:Clients decide whether a service is valuable based not just on the fee itself, but on how that fee is presented and explained.
Speaker A:When advisors present their services purely as hours worked, clients tend to focus on cost.
Speaker A:But when the conversation focuses on the outcomes those services create, the perception changes.
Speaker A:Instead of asking, how much does this cost?
Speaker A:Clients begin asking, what could this help my business achieve?
Speaker A:This shift in perspective transforms the entire pricing conversation.
Speaker A:The Hidden Cost of Underpricing There is another reason pricing matters so much in advisory work.
Speaker A:It directly affects the sustainability of the practice.
Speaker A:We often run a simple thought experiment with accountants transitioning into advisory Imagine you deliver a strategic advisory engagement for 10 clients.
Speaker A:If you price that work at £500 per client, your total revenue is £5,000.
Speaker A:But if the same work is appropriately priced at £1,000 per client, the revenue becomes £10,000.
Speaker A:The work delivered is identical.
Speaker A:The difference is confidence in pricing.
Speaker A:That additional revenue can transform what is possible for a practice.
Speaker A:It creates space to invest in better tools, develop stronger advisory capability, and support team development and innovation.
Speaker A:Perhaps most importantly, it allows advisors to spend more time delivering meaningful work with clients.
Speaker A:Pricing, in other words, is not simply a financial decision it is a strategic one.
Speaker A:When value becomes real, this is where advisory pricing becomes tangible.
Speaker A:Deb worked with a client who initially paid £850 per month.
Speaker A:At the time, he had been paying his previous bookkeeper just £100 per month, so the shift already felt significant.
Speaker A:But the real transformation came from the work itself.
Speaker A:Through regular advisory support, including two strategy calls each month, he gained clarity on his cash and began making decisions from a fully informed financial position.
Speaker A:Over time, that clarity translated into growth.
Speaker A:His business moved from £450,000 in annual revenue to £1.1 million within 18 months.
Speaker A:As the value of the work became clear, the investment increased.
Speaker A:The client moved from £850 per month to £2,000 per month, not because of more work being delivered, but because of the outcomes being achieved.
Speaker A:This is the difference between pricing tasks and pricing impact.
Speaker A:Structuring Advisory Offers Another challenge many accountants face is how to structure advisory services in a way clients understand.
Speaker A:Advisory work can feel abstract compared with traditional accounting services.
Speaker A:Clients may struggle to visualize exactly what they are paying for.
Speaker A:This is where thoughtful service design becomes important.
Speaker A:Instead of offering vague advisory support, successful advisors structure their services into clearly defined packages.
Speaker A:These often include regular strategy meetings, financial performance reviews, forecasting and planning, and growth or profitability discussions.
Speaker A:By defining both the structure and the outcomes of the service, advisors make the value more visible.
Speaker A:Clients can see what they are receiving and how it contributes to their business goals.
Speaker A:From Price to Value I have worked with many accountants and bookkeepers who are delivering significant value to their clients but struggling to communicate it.
Speaker A:The issue was not the quality of the work, it was how that value was being positioned.
Speaker A:By shifting away from hourly and transactional pricing and instead introducing simple outcome based packages, accounting professionals were able to present their services more clearly.
Speaker A:Moving to a three package structure gave them a framework to guide conversations with clients and prospects.
Speaker A:At the same time, building a library of case studies became a powerful tool.
Speaker A:When accountants could share real examples of client success, it made the value of advisory tangible.
Speaker A:Clients could see what was possible and pricing those services became far more natural.
Speaker A:This shift from explaining effort to demonstrating outcomes allowed many professionals to increase their fees with confidence.
Speaker A:Confidence changes the Conversation Ultimately, pricing advisory work is not simply about selecting a number.
Speaker A:It is about confidence.
Speaker A:Clients take cues from the advisor presenting the service.
Speaker A:If the advisor appears uncertain, apologetic, or hesitant about the fee, clients will sense that uncertainty.
Speaker A:But when the advisor communicates the value clearly and confidently, clients are far more likely to recognise it.
Speaker A:This confidence does not come from memorizing scripts.
Speaker A:It comes from understanding the real impact of the work.
Speaker A:Advisory services help business owners make better decisions.
Speaker A:They provide clarity, reduce risk, and uncover opportunities.
Speaker A:When advisors truly recognize that value, pricing becomes much easier.
Speaker A:The Real Shift for many accountants and bookkeepers, this chapter represents a turning point in their advisory journey.
Speaker A:It is the moment they begin to recognize that advisory is not just another service.
Speaker A:It is a different type of relationship with clients.
Speaker A:One built on insight, guidance and trust.
Speaker A:And relationships like that deserve to be valued appropriately.
Speaker B:My perspective for me, pricing became much easier when I stopped thinking about the work and started focusing on the outcome for the client.
Speaker B:The example in this chapter is one that really stayed with me.
Speaker B:This was a client who wanted more for his family.
Speaker B:Over time, he was able to move from paying 850 pounds per month to 2,000 pounds per month because the results we were achieving made that decision obvious.
Speaker B:He went from £450,000 to £1.1 million in revenue.
Speaker B:But more importantly, he gained clarity.
Speaker B:He understood his numbers and that allowed him to make better decisions without relying on guesswork.
Speaker B:That's when I realized advisory isn't about doing more.
Speaker B:It's about helping clients think differently.
Speaker B:And when you can see that impact clearly, pricing stops feeling uncomfortable.
Speaker A:Tim's Perspective I've worked with many accountants and bookkeepers who were already delivering incredible value, but but they didn't know how to articulate it.
Speaker A:They were still pricing based on time or tasks.
Speaker A:Even though the outcomes they were helping clients achieve were far more significant.
Speaker A:The turning point often came when they started to structure their services more clearly.
Speaker A:Moving to simple packages made it easier to explain what they were offering.
Speaker A:And focusing on outcomes changed how clients perceived the service.
Speaker A:Building case studies was another key step.
Speaker A:When you can show real examples of success, it gives you confidence.
Speaker A:You're no longer trying to justify a price, you're demonstrating value.
Speaker A:That shift allows professionals to move from transactional pricing to value based pricing.
Speaker A:And that's where advisory really starts to grow.
Speaker A:A final thought.
Speaker A:If you don't value your advisory services, your clients won't either.
Speaker A:Pricing is not just about what you charge.
Speaker A:It reflects how you see your role, the impact you create, and the confidence you bring into every client conversation.
Speaker A:And when that confidence is in place, everything else begins to change.
Speaker A:Your advisory packages are a reflection of your expertise.
Speaker A:Design them with clarity and confidence to showcase the real value you deliver.
Speaker B:Leading Strategic Client Conversations Effective advisory meetings don't end when everyone leaves the room.
Speaker B:They drive action and accountability long after changing conversations.
Speaker B:One of the defining moments in the journey from technician to trusted advisor happens when the nature of client conversations begins to change.
Speaker B:In many accounting practices, client meetings follow a familiar pattern.
Speaker B:The numbers are reviewed, reports are discussed, questions are answered, and the meeting ends.
Speaker B:While these conversations are useful, they are often focused on the past.
Speaker B:They explain what has already happened.
Speaker B:Rather than helping the client decide what to do next.
Speaker B:Advisory conversations are different.
Speaker B:Instead of simply reviewing financial results, the advisor begins guiding clients through strategic decisions.
Speaker B:Should prices increase?
Speaker B:Is the current cost structure sustainable?
Speaker B:Can the business afford to hire?
Speaker B:Is growth being achieved profitably?
Speaker B:These are not reporting conversations.
Speaker B:They are leadership conversations.
Speaker B:And learning how to facilitate them is one of the most important skills an advisor can develop.
Speaker B:The Advisor as Facilitator Many professionals initially believe that advisory means having all the answers.
Speaker B:In reality, effective advisors rarely dominate the conversation.
Speaker B:Instead, they guide it.
Speaker B:The role of the advisor becomes closer to that of a facilitator, someone who structures the discussion, asks the right questions, and helps clients evaluate their options.
Speaker B:Clearly, in strategic advisory meetings, the goal is not to impress the client with technical knowledge.
Speaker B:The goal is to help the client make better decisions.
Speaker B:This requires a different approach to meetings rather than informal discussions.
Speaker B:Many successful advisors begin to run what we often describe as board style meetings.
Speaker B:These are structured sessions focused on strategic direction and decision making rather than compliance reporting.
Speaker B:When run well, these meetings elevate the accountant's role significantly.
Speaker B:Clients begin to see the advisor not as someone who simply reports financial information, but as someone who helps shape the future of the business.
Speaker B:Preparing for Strategic Conversations the quality of any advisory meeting is determined long before the meeting begins.
Speaker B:Preparation is critical.
Speaker B:Before meeting with a client, the advisor needs to understand the current financial picture, identify key trends, and determine which issues require strategic discussion.
Speaker B:This includes reviewing recent financial performance, cash flow trends, cost structures, pricing strategies, and growth plans.
Speaker B:But preparation goes beyond analyzing numbers.
Speaker B:It also means understanding the client's priorities.
Speaker B:What are they trying to achieve?
Speaker B:What challenges are they facing?
Speaker B:Where do they feel uncertain about the direction of the business?
Speaker B:When advisors prepare with these questions in mind, meetings become far more focused and valuable.
Speaker B:Rather than simply reviewing information, the conversation becomes centred on the decisions that matter most.
Speaker B:Managing the Dynamics of the Meeting Strategic meetings often involve more than just the business owner.
Speaker B:There may be partners, managers or senior team members present, each bringing different perspectives and priorities.
Speaker B:One of the advisors responsibilities is to ensure these conversations remain productive.
Speaker B:This means encouraging participation from quieter voices while preventing dominant personalities from taking control.
Speaker B:It also means keeping the conversation aligned with the agenda and the outcomes the meeting is intended to achieve.
Speaker B:Facilitating a one to one conversation is very different from guiding a group discussion.
Speaker B:In a one to one setting you can be more direct.
Speaker B:You can challenge thinking, ask specific questions, and guide the client towards decisions more quickly.
Speaker B:In a group setting, the role shifts.
Speaker B:The advisor must ensure everyone is heard, that different viewpoints are considered, and that the group moves towards a unified decision.
Speaker B:When handled well, this creates alignment across the business.
Speaker B:Everyone leaves the meeting clear on the direction and committed to the next steps.
Speaker B:These facilitation skills are not something you learn overnight.
Speaker B:They build over time through experience, confidence, and a willingness to to step into a leadership role within the conversation.
Speaker B:When Clients Push Back Advisory conversations inevitably lead to moments of resistance.
Speaker B:Clients may challenge a recommendation, they may hesitate to make a decision, or they may avoid addressing a difficult issue altogether.
Speaker B:This resistance is completely normal.
Speaker B:Business decisions carry risk, and many business owners feel a strong emotional connection to the way their business currently operates.
Speaker B:When pushback occurs, the advisor's response is crucial.
Speaker B:Rather than becoming defensive or trying to force agreement, experienced advisors approach resistance with curiosity.
Speaker B:They acknowledge the concern, explore the reasons behind it, and help the client examine the issue more openly.
Speaker B:In many cases, resistance is not disagreement it is uncertainty, fear of change, or a lack of confidence in what comes next.
Speaker B:Handled well, these moments can actually strengthen the advisory relationship.
Speaker B:They demonstrate that the advisor is willing to listen and engage in honest discussion rather than simply impose their opinion when advice is not taken.
Speaker B:One of the realities of advisory work is that not every piece of advice will be acted on immediately.
Speaker B:I have experienced this firsthand.
Speaker B:In one case, a client consistently resisted increasing their prices despite clear evidence that their current pricing structure was unsustainable.
Speaker B:The data was there, the opportunity was clear, but the fear of change held them back.
Speaker B:Over time, the consequences began to show.
Speaker B:Margins remained tight, pressure increased, and the business struggled to move forward at the pace it could have.
Speaker B:In contrast, another client in a similar position made the decision to act with support and guidance.
Speaker B:They adjusted their pricing, improved their margins, and created more stability within the business.
Speaker B:The difference was not the quality of the advice it was the readiness of the client to act on it.
Speaker B:This is an important lesson in advisory you can guide, you can support, and you can provide clarity.
Speaker B:But ultimately the decision sits with the client, and sometimes they need time.
Speaker B:Turning Advice into Action Advisory work only creates value when it leads to action.
Speaker B:One of the most common frustrations accountants experience is seeing clients agree with recommendations but fail to implement them.
Speaker B:This is where accountability becomes an essential part of advisory work.
Speaker B:After a strategic discussion, it is important to clearly define the next steps.
Speaker B:What actions need to be taken, who is responsible, and when will progress be reviewed.
Speaker B:By assigning clear responsibilities and timelines, advisors ensure that decisions made during meetings translate into real progress.
Speaker B:In some cases, this may also involve adjusting the level of support.
Speaker B:When clients are facing particularly important or complex decisions, there is an opportunity to step into a more focused advisory role.
Speaker B:For a period of time.
Speaker B:This might involve increasing the level of engagement, providing more structured support, and working more closely with the client to navigate the change.
Speaker B:Once the objective has been achieved, the level of support can be adjusted again.
Speaker B:This flexibility allows advisors to meet clients where they are while still maintaining momentum and accountability.
Speaker B:Handling Difficult Conversations not every advisory conversation is comfortable.
Speaker B:Sometimes the numbers reveal uncomfortable truths.
Speaker B:Profits may be declining, costs may be rising faster than revenue, or the business may be operating with financial risks the owner has not fully recognized.
Speaker B:In these moments, the advisor must be prepared to have difficult conversations.
Speaker B:Avoiding these discussions rarely serves the client.
Speaker B:Instead, the advisor's role is to present the facts clearly, explain what the data is indicating, and help the client consider the options available.
Speaker B:The tone of these conversations matters enormously.
Speaker B:They should be direct but not confrontational, honest but not alarmist, supportive, while still maintaining professional objectivity.
Speaker B:When handled well, these conversations often become the moments when when clients realize the true value of having a trusted advisor.
Speaker B:The Advisor's Real Impact the shift from technician to advisor is not just about new services.
Speaker B:It is about the type of conversations accountants have with their clients.
Speaker B:Technicians report the numbers.
Speaker B:Advisors help clients decide what to do about them.
Speaker B:That difference may appear small on the surface, but it changes the entire nature of the relationship.
Speaker B:Over time, these strategic conversations become the moments clients value most.
Speaker B:They are where insight is shared, decisions are clarified, and the future direction of the business begins to take shape.
Speaker B:For accountants who learn to lead these discussions well, advisory work becomes not just an additional service, but the most meaningful part of the profession.
Speaker B:My Perspective One of the biggest lessons I've learned is that not every client is ready to act straight away.
Speaker B:I've had conversations where the answer felt obvious.
Speaker B:The numbers were clear, the risks were visible, and the opportunity was there, but the client wasn't ready to hear it.
Speaker B:Pricing is often a good example.
Speaker B:The fear of increasing prices can hold clients back even when they know it's the right decision.
Speaker B:In those moments, it's important to remember that our role is not to force change, it's to guide it.
Speaker B:At the same time, being in this position comes with responsibility.
Speaker B:We can see the financial risks, and that gives us an opportunity to step forward and support the client more closely when needed.
Speaker B:Sometimes that means increasing the level of support for a period of time, helping them focus on a specific outcome, and then stepping back once that has been achieved.
Speaker B:Advisory is not always about immediate action.
Speaker B:Sometimes it's about being there when the client is ready.
Speaker A:Tim's Perspective One of the biggest shifts I've seen in advisory is the difference between one to one and one to many conversations.
Speaker A:In a one to one setting, you can be more direct.
Speaker A:You can challenge thinking, ask specific questions, and guide the client towards making decisions and taking action.
Speaker A:In a group setting, the dynamic changes completely.
Speaker A:You're not just guiding one person, you're facilitating a discussion between multiple people, each with their own perspective.
Speaker A:Your role becomes ensuring everyone is heard, that the conversation remains productive, and that the group moves towards a unified decision.
Speaker A:When the whole team is aligned, the chances of action increase significantly.
Speaker A:Everyone understands the direction and there is a shared commitment to the next steps.
Speaker A:These are skills that develop over time, but they are incredibly valuable in advisory work.
Speaker B:A Final Thought Advisory conversations are not about delivering information.
Speaker B:They are about creating clarity, guiding decisions, and driving action.
Speaker B:And when those conversations are structured well, they don't end when the meeting finishes.
Speaker B:That is when their real impact begins.
Speaker B:Every difficult conversation is an opportunity to demonstrate professionalism, build trust, and strengthen your advisory relationship.
Speaker A:Chapter 6 Building Authority as a Trusted Advisor the most impactful advisory case studies are those that make your client the hero of the story.
Speaker A:Authority and Perception the shift from technician to trusted advisor does not happen automatically.
Speaker A:Many accountants assume that once they begin offering advisory services, clients will immediately start seeing them differently.
Speaker A:In reality, the transition requires something deeper.
Speaker A:It requires authority.
Speaker A:Authority is not about ego or self promotion.
Speaker A:It is about being recognized as someone whose insight carries weight.
Speaker A:When business owners see their accountant as a trusted authority, conversations change, questions become more strategic, decisions begin to involve the advisor earlier, and the relationship moves beyond compliance into partnership.
Speaker A:But building this level of trust rarely happens overnight.
Speaker A:It develops through consistent behavior, clear communication, and visible expertise.
Speaker A:Why Authority Matters In a traditional compliance relationship, the accountant's role is well understood.
Speaker A:Clients bring information, the accountant processes it, and reports are produced and submitted.
Speaker A:While this work is valuable, it often positions the accountant behind the scenes.
Speaker A:Advisory work requires a different dynamic.
Speaker A:The advisor must step forward.
Speaker A:Clients need to see them not only as someone who understands the numbers but but as someone who can interpret them and guide decisions.
Speaker A:Without that perceived authority, advisory conversations can feel uncomfortable for both sides.
Speaker A:Clients may hesitate to accept recommendations, and the accountant may feel uncertain about asserting their perspective.
Speaker A:Authority bridges this gap.
Speaker A:It creates the confidence needed for both advisor and client to engage in more meaningful discussions.
Speaker A:Authority is built through insight.
Speaker A:One of the most powerful ways accountants build authority is through the insight they bring to conversations.
Speaker A:Clients already expect their accountant to understand financial data.
Speaker A:What they value even more is the ability to interpret what that data means, why margins are changing, where profitability is being lost, which decisions may strengthen or weaken the Business.
Speaker A:Over time, when advisors consistently highlight these insights, clients begin to view them differently.
Speaker A:Instead of being the person who prepares reports, they become the person who explains what those reports reveal.
Speaker A:This shift in perception is often the moment when advisory relationships begin to deepen.
Speaker A:Communicating with Clarity Another key element of authority is communication.
Speaker A:Many accountants are extremely knowledgeable, but their expertise can sometimes be hidden behind technical language.
Speaker A:Business owners rarely think in accounting terminology.
Speaker A:They think in outcomes.
Speaker A:Revenue growth, profitability, financial security, strategic direction.
Speaker A:Advisors who translate financial information into clear, practical insights become far more valuable to clients.
Speaker A:Instead of presenting numbers alone, they explain what those numbers mean for the future of the business.
Speaker A:Clear communication does more than make meetings easier to follow.
Speaker A:It builds confidence in the advisor's guidance.
Speaker A:Clients feel reassured that the person advising them understands both the financial data and the practical realities of running a business.
Speaker A:Demonstrating leadership Authority also grows through leadership in advisory relationships.
Speaker A:Leadership does not mean controlling the client or dictating decisions.
Speaker A:It means guiding conversations toward the issues that matter most.
Speaker A:This might involve raising questions the client has not yet considered, challenging assumptions that are limiting the business, or encouraging action on opportunities they have been hesitant to pursue.
Speaker A:Leadership requires courage as well as expertise.
Speaker A:Advisors must sometimes say things that clients may initially find uncomfortable.
Speaker A:But when those conversations are handled with professionalism and and genuine concern for the client's success, they reinforce the advisor's role as a trusted partner.
Speaker A:When authority becomes real.
Speaker A:Authority is not built through theory.
Speaker A:It is built through moments.
Speaker A:I recall working with a client who needed to secure finance to move into larger premises.
Speaker A:The initial attempt didn't go to plan, and there was a real risk the opportunity would be lost.
Speaker A:But instead of stepping back, I worked closely with the client to reassess the situation, address the challenges, and guide them through the next steps.
Speaker A:Eventually, the finance was secured and the move went ahead.
Speaker A:That decision became a turning point for the business.
Speaker A:The company was able to grow in ways that simply wouldn't have been possible without that move.
Speaker A:And years later, it is still remembered as a defining moment.
Speaker A:What made the difference wasn't technical knowledge alone.
Speaker A:It was trust.
Speaker A:The client came back for support because they saw me as someone who could guide them through an important decision.
Speaker A:That is what authority looks like in practice.
Speaker A:Visibility and Presence Authority is also influenced by visibility.
Speaker A:In many firms, accountants do exceptional work behind the scenes but remain largely invisible to clients.
Speaker A:Advisory work requires greater presence.
Speaker A:Clients need to see the advisor actively contributing to discussions, offering perspectives, and guiding decisions.
Speaker A:This presence can develop through regular strategic meetings, proactive communication, and sharing insights.
Speaker A:Consistently.
Speaker A:Over time, clients begin to associate the advisor with clarity, direction and progress, that association strengthens authority within the relationship.
Speaker A:Expanding your perspective Another way authority develops is through the breadth of insight an advisor can bring to a conversation.
Speaker A:Deb found that building strong third party relationships and continuously learning from different industries created a much wider perspective when advising clients.
Speaker A:For example, working with a landscaping business revealed a common challenge.
Speaker A:The business was charging by the hour and which limited growth and created seasonal fluctuations in cash flow.
Speaker A:By restructuring their services into a monthly recurring model, the business created more predictable income throughout the year.
Speaker A:It also allowed the team to work more efficiently, completing jobs without being constrained by time based pricing.
Speaker A:The result was not just improved cash flow, but increased capacity.
Speaker A:The business could take on more work because the team was no longer tied to fixed time allocations.
Speaker A:This kind of insight doesn't come from accounting knowledge alone.
Speaker A:It comes from understanding business models, patterns and opportunities across different industries.
Speaker A:And when advisors bring that broader perspective into conversations, their authority increases significantly.
Speaker A:Confidence through Experience for many accountants, the biggest barrier to authority is confidence.
Speaker A:Advisory conversations can feel unfamiliar at first.
Speaker A:Professionals who have spent years focused on compliance may hesitate to step into a more strategic role.
Speaker A:This hesitation is normal.
Speaker A:Confidence develops through practice.
Speaker A:The more advisors engage in strategic conversations, the more comfortable they become guiding those discussions.
Speaker A:Over time, what initially felt challenging becomes natural.
Speaker A:The advisor begins to recognize patterns in client businesses and identify opportunities more quickly and communicate recommendations with greater clarity.
Speaker A:Experience gradually replaces uncertainty, and with that experience, authority grows.
Speaker A:The advisor clients turn to when authority is established, the advisory relationship changes dramatically.
Speaker A:Clients begin reaching out earlier when facing important decisions.
Speaker A:They ask for perspective before making major investments.
Speaker A:They involve the advisor in planning discussions rather than simply reporting outcomes.
Speaker A:At this stage, the accountant is no longer just a service provider.
Speaker A:They become a trusted voice in the business.
Speaker A:This is the point where advisory work delivers its greatest value, not only for the client, but for the advisor as well.
Speaker A:Because the work moves beyond processing information and becomes about shaping the future of the businesses they serve.
Speaker B:My perspective for me, authority grew when I stopped relying purely on my own knowledge and started expanding my perspective.
Speaker B:Building relationships with other specialists and learning from different industries gave me more to bring into conversations.
Speaker B:It meant I wasn't just interpreting numbers, I was helping clients think differently about how their business could operate.
Speaker B:The landscaping example in this chapter is a good example of that.
Speaker B:By shifting from hourly pricing to a recurring model, we didn't just improve cash flow, we changed how the business worked.
Speaker B:That's when clients start to see you differently, not just as someone who understands their numbers, but as someone who can help shape their decisions.
Speaker A:Tim's perspective.
Speaker A:For me, authority has always been built through trust and consistency.
Speaker A:The example of helping a client secure finance for new premises is is something that has stayed with me.
Speaker A:It wasn't just about solving a problem.
Speaker A:It was about being there through the process, especially when things didn't go to plan initially.
Speaker A:That's when clients really start to see your value, when they know they can rely on you not just for answers, but for guidance through important decisions.
Speaker A:Authority isn't something you claim.
Speaker A:It's something that builds over time through the way you show up the conversations you have and the results you help create a final thought.
Speaker A:Authority is not built in a single conversation.
Speaker A:It is built over time through insight, clarity, and consistent action.
Speaker A:And the most powerful way to demonstrate that authority is not by positioning yourself as the hero.
Speaker A:It is by helping your client become one.
Speaker A:Thought leadership is a journey, not a destination.
Speaker A:Consistency, authenticity, and a willingness to share your unique perspective will set you apart as a trusted advisor.
Speaker B:Building and Leading an Advisory Team Every great advisory team begins with intentional and strategic development.
Speaker B:Your leadership plays a crucial role in setting the tone for future success.
Speaker B:The Bottleneck as advisory services grow within a firm, something important begins to happen.
Speaker B:The work can no longer depend on one person.
Speaker B:Many firms begin their advisory journey with the business owner leading all strategic conversations.
Speaker B:This is natural in the early stages.
Speaker B:The owner has the most experience, the deepest client relationships, and the greatest confidence in discussing complex business decisions.
Speaker B:But fairly quickly, this approach creates a new problem.
Speaker B:The owner becomes the bottleneck.
Speaker B:Every advisory conversation requires their involvement.
Speaker B:Every every strategic meeting sits in their diary, and every major client decision depends on their availability.
Speaker B:While this may initially feel like growth, it eventually limits the firm's ability to scale.
Speaker B:For advisory services to truly become part of the firm's offering, they must move beyond the individual and into the team.
Speaker B:The Evolution of the Advisory Firm Most accounting firms follow a familiar progression.
Speaker B:In the early stages, the business is built around technical delivery.
Speaker B:Work flows through the team, but the owner remains closely involved in many client relationships.
Speaker B:As the firm grows, systems and processes are introduced to manage increasing workloads.
Speaker B:But advisory requires another level of development.
Speaker B:It requires the firm to build advisory capability within the team itself.
Speaker B:This means training team members not only to produce financial information but to interpret it, discuss it, and guide clients through decisions.
Speaker B:In other words, the firm must begin developing advisors.
Speaker B:This shift transforms the structure of the firm.
Speaker B:Instead of the owner being the sole strategic voice, advisory knowledge begins to spread throughout the organization.
Speaker B:Identifying future Advisors not every team member will naturally step into an advisory role.
Speaker B:Some individuals prefer technical work and find satisfaction in the precision and structure of compliance tasks.
Speaker B:Others show curiosity about the wider business context.
Speaker B:They ask why decisions are being made.
Speaker B:They show interest in client strategy.
Speaker B:They begin to connect financial data with operational outcomes.
Speaker B:These individuals often become the strongest candidates for advisory development.
Speaker B:When firms begin identifying these potential advisors early, they can nurture those capabilities through training, mentoring, and exposure to client conversations.
Speaker B:Over time, the firm develops a new layer of capability that strengthens the entire organization.
Speaker B:Creating Opportunities to Learn Developing advisors within a team does not happen through theory alone.
Speaker B:It requires experience.
Speaker B:Team members need opportunities to observe advisory conversations, participate in meetings, and gradually take on greater responsibility.
Speaker B:In many firms, this begins with team members joining strategic meetings alongside the senior advisor.
Speaker B:At first, they may simply observe.
Speaker B:Later, they contribute insights based on the financial data they manage.
Speaker B:Eventually, they begin leading parts of the discussion themselves.
Speaker B:This progression allows confidence and skill to develop naturally.
Speaker B:Advisory capability grows through practice, reflection, and constructive feedback.
Speaker B:Moving from technician to Advisor One of the biggest challenges team members face when moving into advisory roles is the shift in mindset.
Speaker B:Technicians are trained to deliver accurate work.
Speaker B:Advisors are expected to interpret that work and guide decisions.
Speaker B:This difference may appear subtle, but it changes how professionals approach client interactions.
Speaker B:Technicians focus on getting the numbers right.
Speaker B:Advisors focus on understanding what those numbers mean.
Speaker B:This shift requires team members to become more comfortable discussing business performance, asking questions, and offering perspectives.
Speaker B:Many professionals initially feel hesitant stepping into this role.
Speaker B:With guidance and support.
Speaker B:However, the transition becomes far easier.
Speaker B:When firms invest in developing these skills, they unlock a powerful new capability within their team, creating a culture of advisory thinking.
Speaker B:For advisory services to thrive within a firm, they must become part of the culture.
Speaker B:This means encouraging the entire team to think beyond the task they are completing.
Speaker B:When processing financial data, team members should be asking themselves questions such as what patterns are emerging?
Speaker B:Are margins improving or declining?
Speaker B:Are costs increasing faster than revenue?
Speaker B:Is the client's pricing strategy sustainable?
Speaker B:By encouraging this type of thinking, firms begin turning everyday work into insight.
Speaker B:Instead of simply processing transactions, the team starts recognizing opportunities to support clients more strategically.
Speaker B:This shift is what allows advisory capability to spread throughout the organization, supporting the team as they grow.
Speaker B:Leadership plays a crucial role in this development.
Speaker B:Team members need to feel supported as they step into new responsibilities.
Speaker B:They need reassurance that asking questions is encouraged.
Speaker B:They need opportunities to discuss situations they find challenging.
Speaker B:And they need guidance on how to handle conversations that may feel unfamiliar at first.
Speaker B:When leaders create this environment, confidence grows quickly.
Speaker B:Team members begin contributing more actively to discussions and gradually develop their own advisory style.
Speaker B:Over time, the firm evolves into a collaborative advisory Practice rather than our compliance focused production team.
Speaker B:When the team becomes the advantage I introduced a structure that changed how clients experience support completely.
Speaker B:Each client was supported through a shared communication channel that included the full team, accountant, bookkeeper, business coach and myself as the business owner.
Speaker B:This meant that when a client had a question, they didn't have to wait for a single point of contact.
Speaker B:The whole team was available to respond, bringing different perspectives and expertise.
Speaker B:From the client's perspective, it felt like having access to a complete finance team rather than an individual advisor.
Speaker B:At the same time, this was structured carefully within the firm.
Speaker B:The team worked within defined time blocks to respond to client queries, ensuring that productivity and focus were maintained.
Speaker B:This approach created both responsiveness and efficiency.
Speaker B:It also reinforced something important.
Speaker B:Advisory was no longer dependent on one person.
Speaker B:A firm that can grow without the owner.
Speaker B:The ultimate benefit of building an advisory team is freedom.
Speaker B:When advisory capability exists across the team, the firm is no longer dependent on on a single individual client.
Speaker B:Relationships become stronger because multiple people understand the strategic direction of the business.
Speaker B:The team becomes more engaged as their roles become more meaningful and the owner gains the ability to focus on leadership growth and long term strategy.
Speaker B:There are also wider benefits.
Speaker B:Client retention increases significantly.
Speaker B:Once clients experience this level of support, they are far less likely to leave.
Speaker B:The business itself becomes more valuable.
Speaker B:It is no longer reliant on the owner, making it more attractive and sustainable in the long term.
Speaker B:And perhaps most importantly, the owner gains what they were often seeking from the start.
Speaker B:Freedom from the day to day delivery of the business.
Speaker B:But that freedom is only possible once the bottleneck is removed.
Speaker B:Why this matters now?
Speaker B:This challenge is not unique to one firm.
Speaker B:It is something we have both seen repeatedly.
Speaker B:Firms begin offering advisory, see early success and then find themselves constrained by the same problem.
Speaker B:Everything still depends on the owner.
Speaker B:This is exactly why we have developed this program.
Speaker B:Not just to help accountants move into advisory, but to help them build advisory capability within their teams.
Speaker B:Because that is where real scale happens.
Speaker B:My perspective for me, building an advisory team was about creating a better experience for both the client and the business.
Speaker B:The WhatsApp structure we introduced made a huge difference.
Speaker B:Clients felt supported by a full team rather than relying on one person.
Speaker B:And internally, it allowed us to share responsibility more effectively.
Speaker B:But it wasn't just about communication.
Speaker B:It was about trust.
Speaker B:Trusting the team to step into conversations, trusting them to support clients and giving them the space to grow into that role.
Speaker B:Once that happens, everything changes.
Speaker B:You're no longer holding the business together on your own.
Speaker A:Tim's perspective this is something I've seen time and time again firms successfully introduce advisory but everything still flows through one person.
Speaker A:And that creates a ceiling.
Speaker A:It limits growth, creates pressure, and ultimately holds the business back.
Speaker A:That's why this has been such a key focus for us.
Speaker A:The real opportunity is not just becoming an advisor yourself, but building a team that can deliver that same level of value.
Speaker A:When that happens, the business becomes more scalable, more sustainable, and far more enjoyable to run.
Speaker B:A Final Thought Advisory is not a role, it is a capability.
Speaker B:And when that capability exists across your team, everything changes.
Speaker B:Because the true strength of an advisory firm is not in one individual.
Speaker B:It is in the collective ability of the team to think, guide and support clients at a higher level.
Speaker B:A motivated and enthusiastic team is the heartbeat of every successful advisory practice.
Speaker B:Nurture your culture, recognize achievements, and inspire a shared purpose every day to drive success.
Speaker A:Chapter 8 Building High Performing Advisory Teams Leading your team through change is a journey.
Speaker A:Embrace each step, stay open to feedback and celebrate progress along the way.
Speaker A:Teams as firms move deeper into advisory work, the role of the team becomes increasingly important.
Speaker A:In the early stages, advisory conversations often sit with the business owner or senior partner.
Speaker A:They have the experience, the confidence and the long standing client relationships needed to guide strategic discussions.
Speaker A:But for advisory services to truly scale, the capability must extend beyond one individual.
Speaker A:A firm becomes truly advisory led when its team is able to recognize insights, contribute to conversations and and support clients in meaningful ways.
Speaker A:This is where high performing advisory teams begin to emerge.
Speaker A:The Difference between a Team and a High Performing Team Every accounting firm has a team, but not every team operates at the same level.
Speaker A:In many firms, the structure remains highly task focused.
Speaker A:Work flows through the team in the form of compliance tasks, deadlines and reporting requirements.
Speaker A:While this structure can be efficient, it does not always create the environment needed for advisory work.
Speaker A:High performing advisory teams operate differently.
Speaker A:They are built around collaboration, communication, and shared responsibility for client outcomes.
Speaker A:Team members are encouraged to share insights, highlight opportunities and raise questions when something in the financial data stands out.
Speaker A:Instead of simply completing tasks, the team becomes actively involved in understanding the client's business.
Speaker A:This collective awareness strengthens the firm's ability to deliver meaningful advisory support.
Speaker A:Creating Clarity of Roles One of the most important foundations of a high performing advisory team is clarity.
Speaker A:Team members need to understand how their roles contribute to the advisory process.
Speaker A:In many firms, bookkeepers and accountants work closely with the financial data that reveals important trends in a client's business.
Speaker A:They often see changes first shifts in margins, unusual spending patterns, or pressure on cash flow.
Speaker A:When team members recognize that these observations are valuable, they become far more engaged in the advisory process.
Speaker A:Clarity of roles allows each person to understand where their insight fits within the wider client relationship.
Speaker A:Instead of feeling removed from strategic conversations, they begin to see themselves as contributors to those discussions.
Speaker A:Encouraging Collaboration High performing teams rely on collaboration.
Speaker A:Advisory work is rarely the result of one individual analyzing information in isolation.
Speaker A:It emerges from multiple perspectives coming together.
Speaker A:A useful way to think about this is through comparison.
Speaker A:Much like a team of medical professionals coming together to decide the best course of treatment for a patient, an advisory team brings together different areas of expertise to support a client's business.
Speaker A:A bookkeeper may notice patterns in day to day transactions.
Speaker A:An accountant may understand how those patterns impact profitability.
Speaker A:A senior advisor may connect those insights to a strategic decision.
Speaker A:Individually, each perspective is valuable.
Speaker A:Together, they create clarity.
Speaker A:When these perspectives are shared openly, the firm develops a much richer understanding of the client's situation.
Speaker A:Collaboration also accelerates learning.
Speaker A:Team members develop new skills as they observe how others interpret financial information and communicate with clients.
Speaker A:Over time, this shared learning strengthens the entire team.
Speaker A:Building Confidence within the Team One of the most common barriers when developing advisory teams is confidence.
Speaker A:Many technical professionals feel comfortable producing accurate work but hesitate to contribute insights.
Speaker A:They may worry about being incorrect or feel that strategic conversations should be left to more senior members of the firm.
Speaker A:This hesitation is natural.
Speaker A:Confidence grows when team members are encouraged to share observations without fear of criticism.
Speaker A:Leaders play a key role in creating this environment.
Speaker A:By recognizing contributions and encouraging open discussion, they help team members realize that their perspective matters.
Speaker A:As confidence grows, so does the quality of insight within the firm.
Speaker A:Establishing Clear Communication Effective communication sits at the center of every high performing advisory team.
Speaker A:Team members need reliable ways to share information, raise concerns, and highlight opportunities for client support.
Speaker A:This may involve regular internal meetings, structured systems for flagging insights, or shared communication channels that allow the team to stay connected.
Speaker A:The specific approach will vary from firm to firm, but the principle remains the same.
Speaker A:Information must flow freely.
Speaker A:When communication breaks down, valuable insights are missed.
Speaker A:When communication is strong, the firm gains a clearer, more complete understanding of what is happening across its client base.
Speaker A:Accountability and Responsibility High performing teams thrive on accountability.
Speaker A:Each team member understands their responsibilities and takes ownership of their role in the advisory process.
Speaker A:This does not mean expecting individuals to operate beyond their experience.
Speaker A:It means ensuring they understand the importance of their contribution.
Speaker A:When individuals feel responsible for the quality of insight provided to clients, the overall standard of work improves.
Speaker A:The firm becomes more proactive, more observant, and more responsive.
Speaker A:Accountability strengthens both individual performance and team cohesion.
Speaker A:When the team becomes self sustaining, the true strength of A high performing advisory team becomes clear over time.
Speaker A:I experienced this firsthand when building a team of advisors who trained accountancy and bookkeeping business owners to deliver advisory services themselves.
Speaker A:By developing the team capability, they were no longer dependent on one individual to lead every conversation.
Speaker A:When the time came to step away, the team continued to deliver advisory services.
Speaker A:The knowledge, confidence and structure were already in place.
Speaker A:The bottleneck had been removed.
Speaker A:This is a critical shift because it moves the firm from being owner led to being team led.
Speaker A:Building Capability Through Learning Developing this level of capability requires more than informal experience.
Speaker A:It requires structured learning.
Speaker A:Deb recognized this when working alongside me and created an E learning training portal designed to support accountants and bookkeepers in developing advisory skills.
Speaker A:This approach allowed individuals to learn in different ways at their own pace while still applying those skills within the business.
Speaker A:By combining structured learning with practical experience, the learners were able to develop confidence more quickly and consistently.
Speaker A:The Long Term Impact when advisory teams operate effectively, the impact on the firm is significant.
Speaker A:Clients receive deeper insight and more consistent support.
Speaker A:Team members feel more engaged in their work and see clearer pathways for professional growth.
Speaker A:And the firm becomes less dependent on a single advisor instead of one person carrying the responsibility for advisory work.
Speaker A:The the entire organization contributes to client success.
Speaker A:This collective capability allows advisory services to grow sustainably.
Speaker A:It also creates a more resilient firm where knowledge and expertise are shared rather than concentrated in one place.
Speaker A:The firm clients want to work with.
Speaker A:Businesses today face increasing complexity.
Speaker A:They are navigating economic uncertainty, competitive markets and rapidly changing technologies.
Speaker A:As a result, they value advisors who can help them interpret information and make confident decisions.
Speaker A:When a firm builds a high performing advisory team, it becomes far more capable of meeting this need.
Speaker A:Clients experience a consistent level of insight and support regardless of who they interact with within the firm.
Speaker A:This consistency strengthens trust and trust is what transforms a compliance relationship into a long term advisory partnership.
Speaker B:My Perspective for me, building a high performing advisory team came down to creating the right environment for people to grow.
Speaker B:The elearning platform we developed allowed learners to build their advisory skills in a structured way while still applying what they were learning in real client situations.
Speaker B:This combination of learning and doing made a huge difference.
Speaker B:It gave them confidence, consistency and a shared understanding of how to approach advisory work.
Speaker B:Once that foundation is in place, they begin to move forward together.
Speaker A:Tim's Perspective I've seen the impact of building advisory capability within a team very clearly.
Speaker A:I focused on developing a team so they could deliver training to accounting and bookkeeping business owners to deliver advisory services themselves.
Speaker A:Over time, the team became highly capable.
Speaker A:So when I stepped away, the business didn't slow down.
Speaker A:It continued to deliver value because the capability was embedded within the team.
Speaker A:That's when you know you've removed the bottleneck.
Speaker A:And that's what allows a business to scale properly.
Speaker A:A final thought.
Speaker A:A high performing advisory team is not built overnight.
Speaker A:It is developed through clarity, collaboration and consistent investment in people.
Speaker A:And when that team is in place, the firm becomes something far more powerful.
Speaker A:Not just a group of individuals delivering work, but a collective force guiding clients towards better decisions and stronger outcomes.
Speaker A:Successful change management is not a one time event, but an ongoing journey.
Speaker A:Adaptability and persistence are key.
Speaker B:Chapter 9 Enabling Advisory Teams to Deliver Real Impact Becoming a trusted advisor is a journey.
Speaker B:Embrace opportunities to learn and grow within your team.
Speaker B:Team Collaboration Building an advisory team is only the beginning.
Speaker B:Firms can invest time developing their people, training them to interpret financial information, communicate with clients and contribute insights.
Speaker B:But once those capabilities exist within the team, a new question emerges.
Speaker B:How do we enable the team to work together effectively in real client situations?
Speaker B:Advisory work is rarely performed by a single individual in isolation.
Speaker B:So it is a collaborative effort that combines technical expertise, commercial insight and strong communication.
Speaker B:When teams learn to operate in this way, the quality of advisory work improves dramatically.
Speaker B:Clients benefit from multiple perspectives, deeper analysis and stronger support as they navigate complex decisions.
Speaker B:But collaboration at this level does not happen automatically.
Speaker B:It requires structure, shared understanding and the right behaviors within the team.
Speaker B:Moving beyond Individual Expertise in traditional accounting environments, expertise often sits with individuals.
Speaker B:A particular team member may specialise in compliance, another in payroll, another in management reporting.
Speaker B:Each person focuses on their area of responsibility and contributes their work to the overall service provided to the client.
Speaker B:Advisory services require a different dynamic.
Speaker B:Instead of delivering separate pieces of work, the team must begin connecting their insights.
Speaker B:The bookkeeper who sees the day to day financial activity may notice patterns in spending or cash flow.
Speaker B:The accountant reviewing reports may recognize changes in margins or profitability.
Speaker B:A senior advisor may see how these patterns affect the client's long term strategy.
Speaker B:When these insights are shared openly, the team develops a far clearer picture of what is happening inside the client's business.
Speaker B:And it is this collective understanding that creates powerful advisory conversations.
Speaker B:From Reporting Numbers to Coaching Clients One of the most significant shifts in advisory work is is the move from simply reporting information to coaching clients through decisions.
Speaker B:Many accountants are used to providing answers.
Speaker B:Clients ask questions and the technician explains the numbers.
Speaker B:But advisory work often requires a different approach.
Speaker B:Instead of stopping at reporting the data, advisors guide clients through structured conversations that help them explore their own options.
Speaker B:Frameworks such as the Grow Model Goals Reality Options Way Forward can help structure these discussions and encourage clients to think more strategically about their decisions.
Speaker B:This approach does not replace technical advice it strengthens it.
Speaker B:When clients are involved in the thinking process, they are far more likely to commit to the actions required for for change.
Speaker B:Supporting Clients Through Change Many of the most valuable advisory conversations occur when businesses are experiencing change.
Speaker B:This might involve adopting new technology, restructuring parts of the business, responding to regulatory requirements, or navigating financial challenges.
Speaker B:During these moments, business owners often feel uncertain.
Speaker B:They may hesitate to make decisions, question recommendations, or resist changes that feel unfamiliar.
Speaker B:Advisory teams play an important role in helping clients navigate these situations.
Speaker B:The first step is understanding the concern behind the resistance.
Speaker B:Clients may be worried about cost, fear, disruption, or simply feel overwhelmed.
Speaker B:When advisors listen carefully, ask the thoughtful questions, and clarify the purpose of the proposed change, those concerns can be addressed more effectively.
Speaker B:By guiding the conversation in a calm and structured way, the advisory team helps the client move from uncertainty to action.
Speaker B:Balancing Independence with Team Alignment as team members grow in confidence, they naturally begin exercising greater independence.
Speaker B:They identify opportunities, raise concerns, and offer ideas that could benefit both the client and the firm.
Speaker B:This independence is valuable, but it must be balanced with that alignment.
Speaker B:Advisory firms operate most effectively when everyone follows shared standards and communication protocols.
Speaker B:These structures ensure that clients receive consistent guidance regardless of who they interact with.
Speaker B:They also reduce the risk of conflicting advice or misinformation.
Speaker B:In practice, this means encouraging initiative while maintaining strong communication.
Speaker B:Team members should feel confident acting in the client's best interest while ensuring key insights and decisions are shared across the team.
Speaker B:When this balance is achieved, the team becomes both proactive and aligned, creating a shared view of the client.
Speaker B:I implemented a system that transformed how the team collaborated.
Speaker B:All client communication was centralized within a shared CRM with a dedicated space for each client.
Speaker B:Every interaction, update, and conversation was recorded, creating a clear and accessible history for the entire team.
Speaker B:This meant that no matter who was working with the client, they had full visibility of what had already been discussed, what decisions had been made, and what actions were in progress.
Speaker B:To support this time was intentionally built into the fee structure to allow team members to update notes after conversations.
Speaker B:This ensured the system remained accurate and useful.
Speaker B:The team also held regular weekly meetings to discuss client activity, share insights, and align on next steps.
Speaker B:When advisory sessions were due, the advisor could review the CRM beforehand and enter the conversation fully informed.
Speaker B:This created consistency, clarity, and confidence across the team and for the client.
Speaker B:It created a seamless experience handling client pushback As a team, even the best advisory recommendations will face resistance at times Clients may challenge ideas, delay decisions, or question the value of a proposed change.
Speaker B:This is a normal part of advisory relationships.
Speaker B:What matters is how the team responds.
Speaker B:Preparation plays an important role here.
Speaker B:Before key client meetings, teams can discuss potential objections and agree on how to approach them.
Speaker B:Clear roles also help structure the conversation.
Speaker B:One person may lead while others provide technical insight or support where needed.
Speaker B:Tim experienced this regularly when working with teams supporting business owners learning to become advisors themselves.
Speaker B:After group sessions, the team would come together to review progress, discuss challenges, and align on how best to support each individual moving forward.
Speaker B:In some cases, team members would join one to one sessions with learners, followed by debrief discussions to ensure the next steps were clear.
Speaker B:This level of coordination allowed the team to provide consistent support, reinforce key messages, and maintain accountability.
Speaker B:The same principles apply within client work.
Speaker B:When teams operate in alignment, clients feel supported, not pressured, turning difficult conversations into stronger relationships.
Speaker B:Handled well, challenging conversations can strengthen client relationships.
Speaker B:When advisors listen carefully, acknowledge concerns, and remain calm under pressure, clients feel respected and understood.
Speaker B:Techniques such as active listening, clarifying questions, and summarizing agreed next steps help turn difficult discussions into constructive outcomes.
Speaker B:Clients may not always act immediately, but when they feel supported rather than pressured, they are far more likely to return to the conversation with greater openness.
Speaker B:Over time, these interactions reinforce trust and strengthen the advisory relationship.
Speaker B:The Power of a Unified Team the greatest strength of an advisory firm lies in its ability to operate as a unified team.
Speaker B:When team members share insights, support one another, and communicate clearly, the quality of service improves significantly.
Speaker B:Clients benefit from a wider range of expertise, team members gain confidence, and the firm develops a reputation for delivering thoughtful strategic guidance.
Speaker B:This is what distinguishes advisory firms from traditional practices, not just the services they offer, but how their teams work together to support client success.
Speaker B:My Perspective for me, collaboration became real when we created a shared system that everyone could rely on.
Speaker B:The CRM allowed us to bring everything into one place.
Speaker B:Every conversation, every update, every insight was visible to the whole team.
Speaker B:That meant no one was working in isolation.
Speaker B:The weekly team meetings helped us stay aligned, and building time into our process to update the system ensured that it stayed relevant and accurate.
Speaker B:By the time we entered an advisory conversation, we already had a complete picture, and that level of preparation changes everything.
Speaker A:Tim's Perspective One of the most valuable things we introduced was a structured way of working as a team.
Speaker A:After delivering sessions, we would regularly come together to review progress, discuss what was working, and identify where additional support was needed.
Speaker A:Sometimes that meant joining one to one sessions, and sometimes it meant following up with specific actions.
Speaker A:But the goal was always the same to help the individual achieve the best possible outcome.
Speaker A:This approach created accountability, consistency, and a stronger overall experience.
Speaker A:And when a team operates like that, the results improve significantly.
Speaker B:A final thought.
Speaker B:Advisory is not just about individual expertise.
Speaker B:It is about how effectively your team works together.
Speaker B:When communication is clear, insight is shared, and everyone is aligned around the client, the quality of your advisory work changes completely.
Speaker B:Because collaboration is not just a strength, it is your greatest advantage.
Speaker B:How you respond to pushback as a team defines your reputation and your client partnerships.
Speaker B:Collaboration is your greatest strength.
Speaker A:Chapter 10 where you go from here if you've read this far, you've likely recognized something not just in the examples we've shared, but in your own business.
Speaker A:You've seen where advisory begins.
Speaker A:You've seen where it gets stuck.
Speaker A:And you've seen what becomes possible when it's built differently.
Speaker A:Because this book was never about adding more to your workload.
Speaker A:It was about changing how your business works.
Speaker A:The real shift, the transition from technician to advisor, is not a single moment.
Speaker A:It's a series of small, deliberate shifts.
Speaker A:Moving from answering questions to guiding decisions.
Speaker A:Moving from reporting numbers to interpreting them.
Speaker A:Moving from being the expert to building a team of experts.
Speaker A:And perhaps the most important shift of all, moving from being the center of the business to.
Speaker A:To building a business that can operate without you at the center.
Speaker A:What this really creates when advisory is built into your team, everything begins to change.
Speaker A:Your conversations become more meaningful, your clients become more engaged, your team becomes more capable.
Speaker A:And your business becomes something different.
Speaker A:More stable, more scalable, more valuable.
Speaker A:And not just financially, but in how it supports your life.
Speaker A:Because ultimately, that's what this is about.
Speaker A:Building a business that works for you.
Speaker A:Progress over perfection.
Speaker A:You don't need to implement everything at once.
Speaker A:In fact, you shouldn't.
Speaker A:The firms that succeed with advisory don't rush.
Speaker A:They build steadily.
Speaker A:They start by freeing up time.
Speaker A:They introduce better conversations, they involve their team, and they improve as they go.
Speaker A:Advisory is not something you switch on overnight.
Speaker A:It's something you develop.
Speaker A:You already have what you need.
Speaker A:One of the most important things to remember is this.
Speaker A:You already have the knowledge.
Speaker A:You already understand your client's numbers.
Speaker A:What this book has shown you is how to use that knowledge differently.
Speaker A:With more intention, with more structure, and with a clearer role in the relationship.
Speaker A:The opportunity ahead.
Speaker A:The profession is changing.
Speaker A:Compliance will always have its place.
Speaker A:But it is no longer enough on its own.
Speaker A:Business owners are looking for more.
Speaker A:They want clarity.
Speaker A:They want direction.
Speaker A:They want someone who can help them make better decisions.
Speaker A:And that places you in a unique position.
Speaker A:Not just to respond, but to lead.
Speaker A:A personal Invitation if there is one thing we would encourage you to take from this book, it is this.
Speaker A:Start.
Speaker A:Start with one client.
Speaker A:Start with one conversation.
Speaker A:Start by creating space.
Speaker A:Because that's how every advisory journey begins.
Speaker A:Not with a perfect plan, but with a decision to do things differently.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Thank you for taking the time to read this book.
Speaker A:We know how busy you are, we know firsthand the demands of running a practice and and we know that change is not always easy.
Speaker A:But we also know what is possible when you take that first step.
Speaker A:This book is the result of our combined experience, our challenges and the solutions we've built along the way.
Speaker A:If it has helped you see your business differently, even in a small way, then it has done its job.
Speaker A:A Final Thought Advisory is not about becoming something new.
Speaker A:It's about becoming more of what you already are.
Speaker A:A trusted voice, a guide, and someone your clients rely on not just for answers, but for direction.
Speaker A:If you're ready to go further, if this book has resonated with you, you may already be thinking about what this looks like in your own business, how you move from technician to advisor, and ultimately to building a team that can deliver advisory without relying on you.
Speaker A:Because while understanding the concepts is one step, implementing them is another.
Speaker A:That's exactly why we've built the advisory team's training and development programme, a structured pathway designed to take you through each stage of that journey, from developing your own advisory capability to leading advisory conversations to building and enabling a team of advisors within your firm.
Speaker A:If you'd like to explore that next step, we invite you to head to our website www.apxtraining.co.uk.
Speaker A:You'll be the first to hear when new places become available, along with additional insights and resources to support your journey.
Speaker A:Visit our website for more resources www.apxtraining.co.uk.
Speaker A:Because advisory isn't just about what you're doing, it's about what your business becomes when it no longer depends on you.
Speaker A:About the authors Tim Seymour timseymore.uk.
Speaker A:I am an experienced accountant, business advisor and mentor to accounting professionals.
Speaker A:Transitioning into advisory over a 17 year career running my own accountancy practice, I built a strong foundation in compliance before recognizing the greater value in strategic advisory work.
Speaker A:After successfully transitioning my own business, I went on to support accountants and bookkeepers in developing advisory services, helping them move from technician to advisor and beyond.
Speaker A:Through this work, I identified a recurring challenge.
Speaker A:Advisory was often built around the business owner, creating a bottleneck that limited growth and scalability.
Speaker A:My focus has since been on solving that problem by developing team based advisory models.
Speaker A:I help firms build capability across their organization, allowing advisory to be delivered consistently without relying on one individual.
Speaker A:Alongside my work in accountancy, I bring experience from financial management roles across multiple industries and as well as leadership and coaching experience that shapes my approach to developing people and teams.
Speaker A:My work is driven by a simple principle.
Speaker A:Advisory should not depend on one person, it should be built into the team.
Speaker B:I'm Deb Halliday, founder of the Accounts Ladies and the Accounts Office and the author of how to Build a Financially Healthy Business.
Speaker B: ccessfully sold to my team in: Speaker B:But my work has never just been about the numbers.
Speaker B:Through years of conversations with clients, I began to see a consistent gap between financial reporting and the decisions business owners actually need to make.
Speaker B:That insight led me to develop structured advisory frameworks.
Speaker B:I created client education systems and team based delivery models, all designed to remove the business owner as the bottleneck.
Speaker B:Before building my accounting practice, I worked in training and development in Central London.
Speaker B:That experience now underpins everything I do in learning, design and scalable education.
Speaker B:Today I focus on helping accountants and bookkeepers transition into advisory roles by training their teams, not just the business owner.
Speaker B:At the heart of Everything I do is one core belief a financially healthy business should support your life, not the other way around.
Speaker B:You've been listening to Advisory Teams written and read by Tim Seymour and Deb Halliday.
Speaker B:Thanks for listening.