In this episode, host Joe Fier sits down with health entrepreneur and biohacking expert Joy Houston for an eye-opening conversation about peptides—what they are, how they are used, and why they’ve been a hush-hush topic in the biohacking community. Joy shares her personal playbook, detailing real-world peptide “stacks,” injury recovery stories, and the ways driven entrepreneurs and health practitioners are optimizing their bodies for peak performance. You’ll get practical insights, a special resource for listeners, and plenty of behind-the-scenes context from both Joe and Joy’s journeys. Get ready to learn about the underground world of peptide therapy!

Topics Discussed

• What peptides are, how they work, and why they matter for health optimization
• Injury recovery stories using BPC157 and other peptides (Joe’s jiu jitsu injury, Travis Houston’s Achilles tear)
• The gray area of peptide legality, regulation, and availability
• How entrepreneurs and health practitioners are quietly using peptides to stay at the “bleeding edge” of health
• The process of sourcing, reconstituting, and administering peptides (including common mistakes)
• Creating your “peptide stack” based on your personal health goals
• Cost considerations, avoiding overpaying, and how to verify quality
• Why peptides have remained a subculture and what’s holding back broader public awareness
• Tips for researching peptides, using trackers, and leveraging community knowledge
• Exciting new horizons in peptide biohacking (libido, longevity, anti-inflammatories, and more)
• Joy Houston's exclusive, free guide: getmypeptides.com

Resources Mentioned

• Learn more about what Joy does at Heal At Scale
• Visit GetMyPeptides.com for all the resources
• Deep dive on Peptides at Pep-Pedia.org
• If you have questions, feel free to DM Joy at @realjoyhouston on Instagram

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Hey, we're living in a world where AI is helping us optimize our work.

Save time, maybe make some more money and all this stuff.

But who's here talking about optimizing our bodies using a, a

thing that's not so publicly known, but you might have heard about it.

So this thing we're talking about are peptides.

So my friend, really good friend, Joy Houston, I actually.

Ran into her at a conference right after I dislocated my pinky doing jiujitsu.

I was training for a tournament like literally days before

dislocated this thing.

It was nasty.

I won't show the x-ray unless you wanna hit me up.

I'll glad to share it with you.

But I've been using peptides ever since seeing her because she was like, you.

BPC 1 57 like stat.

So she, she gave me the info, hooked it up, and we, uh, went on

my way and I've been using it since.

So, joy is gonna break down what peptides are in her playbook.

She's literally giving you a, a free guide, which I'm gonna give to you.

There's no opt-in, no nothing.

She made it just for this episode.

And for you, it's gonna break down what these things are like,

what are the other peptides?

What are real world stacks or like formulas that people are using.

What are the the costs associated?

What are common mistakes and why has this thing been kind of hush hush and been in

this biohacking community and subculture, and why hasn't it been brought to light?

That's what we're doing here on this episode with Joy.

It's awesome.

We could have gone for a lot longer.

Before you get in, I highly urge you to get the resource that her and her

awesome husband Travis put together.

The website is get My peptides.com, get my peptides.com.

There's no opt-in.

It literally is just gonna redirect to a Google Doc that has all the

resources we're talking about.

So as you're listening or watching along, just make sure

you go to get my peptides.com.

First, and you'll be able to follow along a lot better and

know what Joy's talking about.

'cause she's gonna give you a lot of information.

It's awesome.

That's gonna help you out.

So enjoy the episode.

Please let her or me know how it goes.

And, um, if you have any questions, we're here and available.

All right, see you later.

And by the way, we are not doctors.

This is not medical advice.

Do your own research.

We say it about like a million times in the episode.

Remember that this is just first world experience that we wanna put out there,

so hopefully it helps you or someone else.

All right, peace.

Enjoy.

Joy, we are doing this.

How are you doing today, my friend?

I'm doing awesome.

I'm so happy to be here with you.

Send my love to Heather.

Oh yeah, for sure.

Back to, uh, Travis as well.

Uh, we've been talking about this for a long time, having you on the show

and, um, I think we're gonna, well we're gonna do a two-parter and so this

is the first of another one to come.

And I'm happy that we're doing this one first 'cause it's like been

super timely with what we've been talking about and what you're doing

and me with an injury, which we'll talk about what that all means.

But, um.

Where do we, yeah, we're, we're gonna talk about stuff that's like, what?

It's the conversations that are not what, not really happening, but they,

maybe they're behind the scenes, but we just wanna bring 'em to the forefront.

Right.

And

I think what happened between us was pretty, you know, I

mean that was synergistic.

Um, we, uh, we, so you guys are all in the loop?

We were both at Perry Belcher's event recently and, um, love Joe.

He's been a family friend of my husband and i's for a while.

He and his wife Heather are amazing.

You guys already know that.

But he rolled up with a fat injury Juujitsu,

That's right.

Yes.

It was a dislocated, uh, pinky, and it was

Yeah.

Nasty,

nasty and um, and I looked, took what?

Look at that.

And I was like, are you at least doing some BPC 1 57 injections in that bro?

Because like you just heard it and like, now's the time and he

And I was like, what is that?

Yeah.

Tell me more.

So,

And I kind of think that's indicative of what's happening.

Like a lot of people who are in the marketing space, in the entrepreneurial

space, the AI space, like a lot of us are also just sort of these

driven type of personalities driven.

That's not a plug for Perry's Mastermind, by the way, but,

but good people over there.

Good people, right?

Emma Perry, we love you.

Um, so, uh, I think a lot of this really driven community.

We driven to serve our audiences and to make money.

In being that driven, one of the things we all have in common is that most

of us are looking to really stay very progressive, like about our health.

Really, really stay at the bleeding edge of what's possible.

So I don't know about you, but I know in the masterminds that I'm in, in the

private groups that I am in, um, in the entrepreneurial space, a lot of us

have, the majority of the conversation in our masterminds is business.

Of course, let's make money.

Let's serve our audiences.

But there's always been this sort of undercurrent of what can we do to keep

our bodies strong, our relationships strong, you know, all, all these things

that like make us stay on our A game.

And a lot of that conversation over the past couple of years, honestly, uh, maybe

five years in our community was peptides.

I feel like first it was like stem cells.

Everybody's like, let's do stem cells.

You know what I mean?

And then I think the conversation has shifted a lot towards peptides.

And it's a gray area, right?

Because you know, big pharma, FDA, like they don't really know what to do with it.

Because if you don't know what peptides are, like they're amino acid chains and

our body make these amino acid chains.

So it kind of falls into that weird category of like.

Well, we can't slap a trademark on it.

So big pharma can make big money and it's a little difficult to

regulate because, you know, we make these things for god's sake.

Insulin is a peptide and we use that like crazy, right?

So, so it's just kind of hovered in this really gray area.

Um, and I find that there's been two lanes, like two very distinct lanes.

There's like the education lane.

Right.

There's like, we will talk to you about what we're doing with peptides

and how we're using peptides.

There are, um, several, um, education courses, like online education courses.

I've taken some, um, and I've even taken one that is meant to certify

practitioners who wanna do it.

Not because I am a practitioner, I'm the CEO of Heal at scale.

And so my entire audience is health entrepreneurs, right?

So these are think clinicians that don't wanna work at Kaiser Hospital or clinic.

These are truly health entrepreneurs.

They wanna serve people at scale with things like group programs, private label

supplements, writing their own books.

They wanna take their knowledge and scale.

And so obviously those kind of health entrepreneurs are not your.

Basic doctor, right?

They're already entrepreneurial.

They're already wanting to be on the bleeding edge, first of holistic

medicine and then functional medicine.

And then Tony Robbins book brought around the term precision medicine,

whatever you call it, right?

But those type of people like to stay at this super, super bleeding edge.

And because of that, I've been given access to, you know, courses and

certifications on that and just.

As a personal passion.

I geek out on it and I love to know it, but there's that lane, there's like, you

can learn about it and then there's a completely separate lane, maybe even two

lanes I think we should talk about, and that's like, how do I get my hands on?

The peptides in order to use them.

And even that lane kind of has two, it has like, you can get the peptides in

one lane, but you can't get the, uh, syringes and the bacteria static water

that you hydrate the peptides with.

So if you guys don't know, peptides come as a powder.

They come in little vials and um, and then you reconstitute them by adding bacterial

static water if you're gonna inject it.

And bacterial static saline, if you're gonna like use it as a nasal spray.

But oddly enough, because it's so gray, you can either sell the

powdered peptides or you can sell the bacterial static and the injectables,

but you cannot cross the streams.

It's like in Ghostbusters, right?

Ah, don't cross the stream.

it's true.

You can't do it.

All right,

Yes.

I, I wanna, I wanna break it down like exactly like, so, because

what I've found when I bring up that I've been using peptides to.

Help my injury.

So I've literally, and I'll set the scene is, yeah, so it was, I don't know, four

weeks or maybe five weeks at this point.

Yeah.

Crazy.

Basically, juujitsu injury, this thing popped out of, its so, it was

Yeah, you guys, they look gross.

It

Yeah.

I don't, I don't know if I'll

afraid for him.

Yeah, I'm not gonna show the x-ray on screen.

I kind of want to, but I'll probably freak out half the audience or more.

So, um, but the point is it's fine.

Oh, it's not fine.

It's still a little crooked, but it's feeling better.

And, um, I've been using, yeah, so found Joy, uh, knew you'd be there,

but then told you what happened, and then literally you had BPC 1 5 7, and.

That's one of the peptides along with another one I'm using, but I've been

injecting it basically, it's pretty close as possible to the site there.

And we are not doctors, like we said, none of this is doctor advice, not

medical advice, do run research.

Um, but it's, I've seen a noticeable difference and obviously I don't

have anything to compare it to.

I've never done this kind of injury before, but it's wowed me like there's

still a little achiness in there, but, um.

It's, that's, I mean, to be like three weeks I think is what it took.

I was like, holy crap, I can like move fairly well.

Um, and, but I've, I've heard

you saw a difference.

You felt a difference yourself?

Well, that's kind of how we got into this world.

Like because of serving health entrepreneur audience, like, you

know, they were kind of in the ether.

They were kind of out there like stem cells.

But we decided, do you guys, do you remember back when Travis and I

went on this, this bender of like, well, can we be digital nomad?

You know, like, and.

Me and, and Ma and Maverick really wanted to go to Thailand, so we're like,

screw it, we're just gonna, you know, we can work anywhere 'cause we're online.

Let's go to Thailand for three months, you know?

So we rented this mansion in Thailand.

It was gorgeous.

We had a great time.

People cycled through visiting us, but like two weeks before

we were set to head home.

And if you're, I won't, I won't throw Travis under the bus for how old he is,

but if you're in your late forties, then you may have heard many of your friends

who have some sort of injury where like they're playing pickleball or they're

just running, or they're doing something they normally do, and all of a sudden they

hear an extreme pop in their ankle and it feels like they got, you know, bit or

stung or you know, hacked with a needle.

He had torn his Achilles.

He ha he had torn his Achilles and were in Thailand on Koi,

so not even on the mainland.

So we're like on this little island, like the middle of nowhere.

It was this whole huge thing, right?

So he had to go to the ER and then they had to ambulance him

on a ferry back to the mainland where there was an MRI machine.

It was this whole messed up thing.

Okay.

Anyways, like we get him in a cast, we come home, we confirm

here with surgeons in the states.

Yeah, it, that's exactly what happened.

They nailed it.

Exactly right.

The research is exactly right.

What they gave us, and if you don't know, basically if you

tear your Achilles, they're like, it's 50 50 if you do the surgery.

If you don't do the surgery, the healing time is the same.

The recovery of injury, you know, or the recurrence is rate is the same.

So they basically said, look, dude, unless you had some, you know, college

football scholarship, there's really no reason for us to do this surgery on you.

You have to wear a boot.

And so he was wearing a boot.

And you know Travis, he's not like lazy.

He's very competitive.

He's very move, move, move.

It fricking pissed him off to be in this boot for a long time

and he hit like a plateau where it wasn't getting any better.

We're three, we're six months in the boot.

It's just not moving the needle.

Exactly.

And so we leaned into our community and they were like, yep, peptides, let's go.

Um, it gave us a b, p, C regimen to to, to get on.

You know, at first, back then it felt like kind of black market.

'cause you would like pay on one app and order on another app, and then it comes

in a white envelope with no, it looks like you're ordering drugs or something else.

Really scary, right?

Really scary.

Um, now it's much easier because it's, it is much more mainstream.

Okay.

You can pay with your credit card and stuff like that.

You don't have to Venmo.

So.

Um, so every night while we were trying to heal before he had tried peptides,

if we were watching TV or reading, I would take one of those jade like wasaw

tools that women use on their face and try to get the scar tissue down.

'cause

Like basically scrape it, right?

Yeah, like try to get it down and so I knew what we were dealing with because

I was the one helping him out with it.

It felt like that old school, big lead, chew bubblegum, used to chew

back like in the eighties or nineties where your whole cheek was like that.

Yeah.

It felt like a dried up wad of that in his thing.

Not like to be gross or anything.

And it wasn't moving much at all with the Guha tool before we did the BPC 1 57.

And then afterwards, literally within a few weeks, I was like,

I can't even find it anymore.

Like it was smaller and smaller and smaller until one night I was like,

babe, I can't even find the stupid thing I'm supposed to be like trying

to help you massage out of your ankle.

And that's when the light came on for us that we're like, oh.

This fricking works.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

This really

works.

what did you like?

Because, so that was an injection, obviously a BPC 1 57.

And I wanna break down like, why that, because that comes up probably

more often than, but uh, were you injecting like right next to it?

Into it like,

Yeah.

So that's a good question.

So for most peptides, you can just, um, inject into, add a post fat, right?

So it's a subq injection.

It's not.

Im So for all of your, if your dudes are on the audience, any

of you guys that are using.

Um, like testosterone injections, for example.

I know that's relatively common.

Um, or at least in our entrepreneurial audience that's staying in the

forefront.

It's

are probably like, whatcha talking about?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I feel like our, maybe the circle that we run in Joe is a little more health

I think I, I

everyone is picking up on this.

Yeah, exactly.

So if you're doing a testosterone injection, for example, that's Im

intramuscular and it's a bigger, fatter needle and it hurts more, quite honestly.

Um, but this is a tiny little, like, it's an insulin syringe is what it is.

So the needle is super, super tiny, right?

It's super, super

tiny and you're in.

Yeah, exactly.

And you're injecting a tiny amount.

I mean, for God's sake, Joe, I'm like, I'm not a doctor.

I'm not nurse Joy from Pokemon or whatever.

But we did it at Perry's event to help your hand like immediately

remember?

say.

Yeah, no, it was, it was pretty funny.

So it was like right after our friend, Deb Cole spoke on stage.

And like, yeah, you had some BPC 1 5 7 you brought for me that day.

'cause you're like, Joe's fucked up.

It's hard for my language, but I was, I was like in a splint and you're

like, I'm gonna bring the goods like the, the day before you said this.

And then, um, yeah, I just like, I had a little crowd of people around

to watch it 'cause they were super curious and you gave the injection

right there in front of, you know, on the, one of the tables after

Yeah.

I'm

And I'm, I've been

You guys, I'm, I'm not a nurse, but, but honestly, he was like trying to do the ham

that he would normally write with, so he was like, yeah, this is not gonna work.

I'm not

doing it myself.

but but to your point though, it's been easy for me to inject

it myself and No problem.

I mean, I just, I, I think the hardest part is figuring out how

to mix all this stuff together.

Reconstitute, which

Yeah,

Exactly.

Exactly.

Okay, so let me answer your question really quickly.

So with BPC 1 57, the closer you can get to the injury site, the

better effectiveness, at least we've had in our experience.

Um, but if you were using it more generally or depending on what

your stack is, most people are just injecting in their adipose fat,

which is like any fat that you have.

So typically like around your belly or around your.

Thighs, even like the back of the arm or something.

You need a little, you know, a little junk in the trunk, kind of.

You need a little, yeah, you need a little fatty area.

Yeah, exactly.

And then it's just subq, you're, you're intentionally not, you're not going for

vein or anything challenging like that.

You're just putting it in.

Much like people who do insulin every day.

It's kind of like that.

Um, so yes, B PC 1 57 close to the injury site.

Our other peptide stack.

Nope.

We just rotate through different fatty areas in the body.

So just to circle back and make sure we're clear,

Yeah, no, thank you.

Yeah.

'cause I wanna, I wanna walk it even up a level again to say

like, what are, what are peptides?

Because like they come in different forms.

Like you could buy peptides technically at Costco that have like collagen and

you know, you mix in your smoothie or you know, there's people that say like, oh

yeah, I put peptides on my face at night.

You know, like one of my neighbors said that, and I'm like.

These are different, but also, I don't know, like So how would you describe it?

Because I'll just say when I bring this up to people, like they're just like,

even if they're not in the entrepreneur crowd, like some of my neighbors,

and they're just like, I need to sit down and just learn about peptides

and like, what the hell you're doing.

So

Okay.

Well this would be a amazing place to say, first of all,

Joe and I are not your doctors.

We're not medical professionals.

Like I swim in the pool of medical professionals because

I'm the CEO of Heal at scale.

Right.

Um, because I

just finished a book.

that helps.

Yeah.

I just finished a book that helps health entrepreneurs get cash pay clients,

people are willing to pay outta pocket.

So like, this is my world, right?

So I swim in that world.

I'm not a doctor.

Um, Joe asked me to do that.

I was like, okay, but I'm legally off the hook, right?

So like I had to go down massive rabbit holes.

I'm talking about, well, some of y'all were watching Netflix sequences.

Like I was just taking peptides course because I'm a dork.

And I'm like, just curious about it because I had never, you know, we

had tried everything with healing Travis's ankle and it wasn't working.

And then when I saw what was happening with him.

I had, I think that you and Heather knew this, but like for, I had a

terrible case of sibo and because I was on like the superior diet, I thought,

oh, I must have gotten SIBO because I ate too much out at a restaurant.

I'm going to eat even cleaner.

And I didn't realize that the type of SIBO I had.

Was actually from fresh, raw vegetables, like it loved vegetable fiber.

So I was inadvertently making my condition worse instead of better before

I figured out what I was doing right.

So I decided I would try it to sort of get over all the damage that I had done

to my intestinal tract, my digestive system, and I got on my own stack.

I got some help with that, and I got on my own stack and sure enough, those problems

that had been lingering and I. Couldn't quite put in the rear view mirror.

Like handled, just handled.

Whereas I had tried everything like diets and my IgG powders and different

probiotics, like all the things, right?

All the things I could put in my mouth and try to solve the problem and

had already tried and because it was dealing with a digestive system, but.

Through the bloodstream, not through the digestive track itself.

That's my hypothesis of wow, why I was probably able to put it in the

rear view mirror like I was actually providing something that wasn't going

through the digestive track, that was already not operating the ideal,

optimal way that it should, you know?

So I went ahead and Joe, I, I, I shared with you as we were coming on that Travis,

uh, if you guys don't know Travis Houston, he's freaking marketing genius, AI guru.

He is like, so, so smart.

I'm lucky enough to be married to this gorgeous man, and he

knew I was coming here today.

So, um, he made, uh, a. Pretty URL for you guys.

If you go to get my peptides.com, you could get all of the research that

Travis and I compiled, so it lists all the courses that I take and a link in

case you wanna take it, it lists, um, all the books that I really loved.

Like there's a lot of 'em out there, but some of 'em are absolute crap and

some of 'em are so good that you feel like, oh, you're going through your

little med school kind of course.

You know what I mean?

So we just compiled all of the information that we use, um, to

gain our own information, to come up with our own pep stack, to then go

to our provider and say, Hey, look, this is what we're looking at doing.

What's the ups?

What's the downs?

And quite frankly, um, even our practitioners were like, okay, I know

about this, but I don't know about that.

So track yourself.

So you'll also see in that document that I created, like a tracker so I

could track when I reconstitute them.

How much I'm using and what my symptoms were.

And I don't want you or your audience have to recreate all of that.

So we put it into one document for your audience so they can go

get all of that@getmypeptides.com.

Get my peptides.com.

We'll put the link in the show notes and, and Jacob put it on the screen too.

Um, this is like, I'm on here.

I'm just looking at the document and you just gotta get it.

Like, I don't know if you're gonna have an opt-in or not.

Right now.

You, you don't.

If you do,

No, it's just for you guys.

It's

It.

Yeah.

So literally go there because I'm just looking, some of these

I didn't know about, so I'm going to be definitely diving into a

couple books and the resources.

You have a GPT that I think Travis made.

Yep.

He took all of the favorites, like from the books and from the courses

that I took, and he just put it all into a GPT so you can interact with it.

So if you're like, okay, well my libido's falling off like, and I'm

this year this old and this is what I've tried and this is what worked.

You can just kind of have a conversation with it and.

And guys, it's a GPT.

You know what I mean?

So obviously it'll keep warning you.

This is not medical information.

You have to do your research, you have to talk with your doctor.

You need to see what your, you know, where you're at with your health and where,

where, if it's a good idea for you or not.

We're, we're not advocating everyone do it.

We're just admitting that there's a peptide conversation happening,

sort of like underground.

And I think it's time that we actually bring it above ground and start

sharing information, sharing resources.

Talking about who's paying and even overpaying for this, because I'm seeing

some offers where it's like a hundred grand to get a simple blood test and then

somebody to help you with your pep stick.

And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me right now?

Like, are you kidding me?

Um, and so that the whole price thing is part of the reason I put that document

together because I had friends who were buying it at other sources and we like.

Won't name names.

Um, but the stack that I am on now, between me and Travis's Stack,

we, we could easily throw down 1200, $1,500 a month on peptides.

And that was crazy.

And so I started digging into, okay, how many labs in the

world make these darn things?

How many, right?

Because as marketers like you, and I know, you know, you can

market something, Tiffany.

but yeah.

Yeah, you can market something Tiffany's style and, and price it

really high in that tennis bracelet.

That's a hundred grand.

Right?

Or you can buy a tennis bracelet at Target.

You know what I mean?

You're like, so, so because of our marketing experience, I was like, how

much of this is marketing and how much of this is like medical grade differences?

So in going into that rabbit hole was part of what had me put in that.

Put that document together for my friends.

I even gave you the early version of

that, right?

Because, yeah.

'cause I was like, wait, people are like grossly overpaying

for things and I was a snob.

You know me, I'm like such a snob, food snob, quality snob that.

And so I was like, I wanna see the certificates of

authentic, of authenticity.

And like some that I ordered, I would have the vial and the vial lot number, and

the cert that they sent me didn't match.

And I was like, okay, that's not a fit.

'cause I don't want anyone who will send me a cert.

That's not valid.

And so it took a bit to find the right people where I felt like,

okay, they're actually sending me.

The certifications of authenticity, the pur purity, and the lot

numbers match on the vial.

Right?

So you're like, okay, I found it took a while to find someone that

I trust that was priced reasonably.

Um, and that's who you'll see.

I link to my source in in that document.

Yeah, yeah.

Your, your document again, you have like, it's way more than you even gave me.

And then when you gave me all those, that information, it's before everything.

It was just like through text messages, I was just like, holy moly, there's a

whole world I did not understand or know.

There's books, there's resources, there's this really cool like encyclopedia thing

that maps out all of the peptides and.

Exactly what they're used for, how to use it.

When do you like, so this information, we have a, you now everyone listening

and watching has access to, um, I'm just gonna call it out again.

Get my peptides.com again.

Yeah.

And it, and some of the sites, it's like you said, some of the

sites are garbage and some of the sites are amazing and so helpful.

And for me, the distinction between garbage and helpful was.

Did it link to actual research?

You know, like I, I want, I wanna see actual research.

I don't wanna just be like, oh, you believe that's what happened?

Right?

So like, you'll see a link to that, um, pet pia.org, which I really love

that one because when it comes time to reconstitute things, um, you, you need.

You're not gonna remember it all.

So like you kind of need help once you get your stack into the tracker.

So if you use the tracker, when you go to that document, you guys,

you'll see if you'll scroll down.

Like one of the assets that I use is the tracker.

Once you make your tracker and you have noted, oh, this is how much bacterial

static water I add, this is when I reconstitute it, well then yeah, it's

gonna become easier for you because you already know what you're doing.

But when you're first figuring it out, I think it's helpful to have

all of those assets in one place.

for sure.

Yes, the tracking is smart because, yeah, I, I've reconstitute, like I said, that

was the, probably the most confusing part.

But like, once you figure it out and it's easy, you just gotta

Yeah.

what the heck you're doing.

Uh.

Yeah, exactly.

Question.

So you, you've mentioned stack many times your peptide stack.

So what is that and how does someone figure out their stack?

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, your stack is, first of all, your stack just means

the peptides that you're on.

That's all it means, right?

So it's like, it's like an outfit, right?

there you go.

Um, and it, an outfit can be whatever you want, right?

You wanna wear a dress, you wanna wear a top, and jeans and heels and a jacket.

Like you can mix and match this, the, your stack based on

what you're trying to achieve.

Okay?

So.

There's a lot of guys who are on the Wolverine stack, which is BPC 1 5 7

and TB 500 for like muscle getting, getting muscle mass on faster.

Right.

They call it the Wolverine stack.

Right?

Exactly.

Exactly.

There's like, you'll hear the Phoenix stack, which is like a popular woman,

like everybody has their own stack, but how do you create your stack?

You get, you get your health goals, like what's going on?

So in Travis's case, there was an immediate, like in your case, there was

an immediate thing that needed attention.

Right.

But then there's also things that you can do for longevity.

You know, like a lot of people are on BPC 1 57 and TB 500, and they're

just doing that as a longevity play.

A lot of women and men too, are incorporating GHK copper in their,

um, peptide stack because they want the skin and the hair growth

and the, you know what I mean?

So.

You wanna figure out what you want, like what is your goal, right?

I wanna live longer and look beautiful as long as I can.

And that's your only goal.

Well, then you're gonna be doing your research for those peptides

specifically, and it's like everybody, even if, even if that's the goal, right?

For some men who experience pattern balding in their family.

They might be specifically looking for things that are gonna help

them with their hair, right?

Whereas people who, they're the men in their family keep ahead of hair forever.

They might be more concerned about wrinkles and muscle density, bone

or, you know, muscle, uh, composition and bone density, that kind of thing.

So you wanna get clear on what the heck do you want, like what do

you want out of it, you know, if there's an injury, if it's immediate.

Then, yeah, your immediate injury and your first experience with peptides

might be like, what happened to us?

There's an injury.

We're gonna try it.

We're gonna track our symptoms.

In that case, that's a perfect example, right?

Because I'm gonna tell you what I did.

Again, I'm not a doctor, but here's what I did.

I was like, here's the symptoms that I'm dealing with.

Um, here's how I measure how intense those symptoms are, because I, I

don't want to be throwing money at peptides if I don't need them, right?

So I wanna measure, here's my goal and here's the metrics by which

I will measure whether or not I'm moving the needle on that goal.

And then here's the, my research on this.

Stack that I believe is gonna work best for me.

And that's where then you wanna get into cahoots with your practitioner.

And you wanna make sure, like, okay, is, is there any contraindication

in case you're on anything?

Or, or you have a health condition, like obviously you need to do your

own work and do your own research.

We're all grownups here.

So then there's that.

You pick your stack, you do your research, and you pick your stack.

And then for me, like the proof is in the pudding, right?

Like I don't wanna pay for any peptide that is not getting me a goal.

You know what I mean?

So.

so that's my process for doing it.

And then once you've picked your stack, then you need to look at,

well, what are, you know, the avenues for using that stack.

Okay.

So the vast majority of peptides, because they are very

fragile little entities, okay.

They're simple amino acids with sometimes single bond connections and

anything that has like a, you know, anything that's fragile like that.

You'll see a lot of people in the videos explaining you how to reconstitute that.

Like don't just squish the bacterial static water in there really fast.

Release the water in there nice and slowly.

Don't shake it up like it's a shaker ball where you're trying to get

your creatine to dissolve in the water with a little metal ball.

No, you don't wanna do that.

You're literally rolling it slowly because they're for, they're fragile

bonds and we wanna teach them at you when we wanna treat them as such, right?

So some you have to reconstitute with bacterial static water and

they're injectable some, um.

Like NAD plus, for example, is one that you can reconstitute with

bacterial static saline, and you can use it as a nasal spray, right?

So if your injectable stack feels a little heavy, you wanna be looking

for, okay, how many of these could maybe be done as a nasal spray?

And if you use the research sites that I put in that document, you

can see that it's showing the efficacy based on the delivery model.

So, oh, nasal, you might get, you know, an 87, whereas injectable is

98, 99, a hundred percent efficacy.

Right.

Well, if you've already got a stack that you're injecting a

lot, it might be worth it to take a tiny hit in, in the injectable

and do a nasal spray, for example.

And then there's this whole debate, and you know, we won't go down

that rabbit hole very far, that there's this whole debate of.

Can we take peptides orally?

Okay.

And there is a process, I think it's called the stack process.

So there is a process by which they're trying to make peptides,

um, survive the digestive process.

So more people can take them that way.

I've only tried them minimally.

I didn't notice any difference at all the way that I did with injectables.

So for me, I just bounced right back to doing injectables.

Then there are some that can be absorbed topically, so like DHK, copper.

That anytime you ha it has copper in the name, right?

So there's copper in the peptide.

Anytime there's a metal that you're injecting in the body, you can

have a browning at the site, at the injection site and it can hurt a

little bit more at the injection site.

That's like the metal interacting with your body.

I highly recommend you guys if you are geeky and like OCD about

this, like me, then go take a course, read the books, right?

Um, so because of that.

Um, I prefer to do to reconstitute my GHK copper and either put it in a

roller, like a little roller ball, or I used to put it in a roller ball and

just put it in my, like crow's feet areas at night before I, I went to bed,

but then I talked to one of my favorite coaches on peptides and she was like,

you could just reconstitute that gh HK copper and put it in your night serum.

So that's what I do now, just reconstitute it and put it in my night

serum and like, we're good to go.

But that.

So that's topical then,

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

So that's a topical one.

But can all of them be absorbed topically?

No.

That's why you have to do your research.

So how do you pick your stack?

Like, well, what am I looking for?

Right.

So for me, and I know that, you know, hopefully this is not too much, but I know

Heather was kind enough to share with me.

I was not so low in rolling through struggles when

Yeah.

like hormone changes,

you know, I had to have.

of women are all

Yeah, it's a lot.

So for me, I was like, okay, I would like my emotions not to be a

10 when I know it should be a two.

You know what I mean?

Like, I don't want, like, I'm tall and I'm thin, and I just started to notice like a

redistribution of weight that wasn't me.

And so that was one of my things to recenter, you know what I mean?

You have to get really clear on what's going on that's bugging you

or that what are your health goals?

Then do your research on what are your options within that world.

You know, what are the peptides that can support that?

And some that I'm seeing.

The most exciting for me that I've seen are my friends who were doing

more conventional GLP ones and they switched to like aide peptide instead.

Which gives you the same benefits as those they, they, they got the same

benefits as those other GLP ones, but it also had a longevity and beauty place.

So they're like, hell yeah, I'll totally take this.

They only have to do it.

Yeah, once a week.

It's less expensive.

It also had all benefits, so like.

That was a winner when they did their research.

And then of course they find out, okay, how do I reconstitute it?

What's my frequency?

What's the duration of the cycle?

Right?

So the cycle is how long do you take it and then you take it off.

So for example, um, red, uh, like most people I knew are doing 2.5 units and

they're doing it once a week because it's half life is six days in the body, right?

And everybody's research is different, right?

So that's the, the people that I trust, that's sort of, that's

the conversation that I trust.

So they're gonna track that in the tracker right here.

And then they're gonna be noting their symptoms.

Did they lose weight?

Did they hit a plateau?

Um, you know, some will notice, okay, I love what retro Reddit tide

is doing, but it made me tired.

And then they can circle back and research and find like.

A motzi or an NID might help to, uh, bring the energy levels back up while their body

is getting used to the way that your body starts processing insulin, um, and sugar.

Like it just becomes a different conversation because it's really,

some of them are really affecting your brain and the way that it tells the

body to act, whereas some of them can be affecting more locally like tissue.

So that's where doing your research like, like anything, right, you have

to do your research and make sure.

You know that your stack aligns with your goals.

Yeah, no, that's a great answer.

And, and again, go to, I'm just gonna shout it out again because

like, you gotta get my peptides.com.

I'm like your biggest uh, call to action fan boy right here.

I'm, uh, 'cause there's a lot of information.

There's probably like more than we'll ever go into on this

episode because of so much.

So definitely go research, like what all these different peptides are.

If there's like terms that joy has used so far, just literally do some research

Yeah, exactly.

And you guys can DM me on Instagram too, like I'm totally an open book.

I'm, there's already Joy Houston, she's like a wedding designer.

So I'm at Real Joy Houston.

But like, DM me your questions, you guys like, I'm, I'm happy to help.

I'm happy to help.

Yeah.

And it becomes like this whole thing, like I have this, I dunno if you

can see this, but like, this looks like a thermos, like I might carry.

Soup to work or something, but it does become like a

lifestyle thing, a culture thing.

And there's people who've like 3D printed these cool little containers.

This is what they look like, you guys.

So if you've never seen it, it's like they come in these little tiny

jars, looks like a little insulin.

But if you were to see it up close, it's a powder.

Right.

like, it's interesting.

It's like a, it's like a, a fluffy looking powder, but it

doesn't just like move around.

It's kind of like this.

Patty almost at the bottom, but when you put the back water in

there, bacterial static water,

I'm learning all these terms.

Uh, yeah.

When you put it in there, it basically goes clear almost immediately.

You know,

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

And you said it right?

You roll it, don't shake it, you just roll it.

Yeah, but you can see it's become a whole subculture because this thermos did not

have this super cool little thing that I'm like, it looks like I'm carrying nuclear

secrets around the world or something.

But like, it's like a 3D printed.

So like there is a subculture, there's

such a big subculture of us using it that somebody thought to do a

3D printed thing that fits like perfectly inside the thermos.

So you can have stacks of your peptides instead of them like.

Rolling around in your freezer and you

know, I was

storing

Yeah,

exactly.

Did you have that like Yeah.

Rolling around.

I kept in the box that I, that I got it in, but still I'm

like, okay, it's still clunky

Yeah, exactly.

So I keep them in the freezer until I reconstitute them and then I transfer them

to the refrigerator and they stay in the refrigerator once they're reconstituted.

That's how I do it.

And I even like, and I put the links to these like weird, I'm so OCD, you could

totally call it, call me out on it.

But like I put the links to finding the right thermos and.

Finding the 3D inserts on Amazon so you don't have to go hunting.

And like even my little travel case, I was just in Florida for, um, Dr. Fab's

event that, that fab life event and had my peptides with me with a little cooler.

And by the way, I only had a, a carry on.

And I was like, are they gonna be fine with this?

You know what I mean?

And sure enough they did look in the bag and I was like, what is this?

And they thought it was insulin.

And I'm like.

It's my peptides and they were like, okay.

You

know, actually they had a ton of questions like, oh wow, what using

them for, I've heard good things.

So here I am like chatting with the

TSA.

Yeah,

guy.

well see.

This is all right.

So this is why I wanted to, uh, you know, I don't know, it's like

last question or somewhere around there, but, um, why are peptide, why

does it seem like it's underground?

Why is it a subculture?

Why is it not talked about more freely?

And whereas like when you bring it up to people, people get super

interested, even the fricking TSA agents.

I know, I know.

I mean, I don't wanna

sound like those

wackadoodle, you, like wackadoodle, like tinfoil hack conspiracy theory

people, I, I don't wanna sound like that honestly, but I have to say that we, it

feels like, and remember like my whole business, my whole world is in the health

and wellness and medical kind of arena.

That's all of the people that I serve.

Okay.

So even as someone who's been in that space for over a decade,

I will admit that, you know.

Our medical system kind of feels like a little bit of a mess, right?

Like we're overpaying for our insurance premiums and apparently

they're about to double, right?

And then God forbid you have to use it.

Yeah, right.

God, for God forbid, you actually have to use that insurance and

then you find out, well, shit, it doesn't cover anything anyways.

Right?

And then you find people who are trying to say that like, oh, diet

and lifestyle make a difference.

And something like, let's say stem cells for example, might make a difference

or someone finds that, oh, high alkalizing the body when you have cancer

is showing That makes a difference.

Well, for God's sake, Robert Young, who advocated for alkalizing, when someone has

an extreme disease like cancer in which the body, you know, can be very acidic in

that state and those people are in jail.

You know what I mean?

Or like how many people do you know that like went to get stem cells, but they

had to go to Mexico, or Sweden or Norway.

They had to travel abroad to get these things because.

There's no way to slap a patent on it and to make it at scale and

make shit tons of money on it.

So again, I don't wanna be one of those weirdos who's like a copi.

I don't wanna be like that.

But at the same time, I cannot deny that there are things that happen in

the health and wellness space that do kind of stay underground for reasons

that unfortunately seem like they have a lot more to do with money and,

and business and politics and just.

Bullshit than it does with Oh, that that actually works.

You know what I mean?

So I do think, unfortunately, that's part of it.

And then why does this one stay underground?

I have to say, no matter what site I've ever, ever ordered my

peptides from, they all say like, legit on the site, on the bottle.

They all say.

For research only, or like someone will be like, oh, not for

human consumption or whatever.

So like they've kept this whole thing where the F FDA is not just gonna

green light it and be like, woo-hoo, everybody take peptides and you can get

them at your local health food store.

You know what I mean?

Um, so I, I think, you know, unfortunately, I think it

has to do with just our, our

The system.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

And I mean, that's the story I've heard from literally everyone

who knows enough about peptides.

So I don't think it's a, even a tinfoil hat really.

Um,

Okay.

I'll, I'll just say, and, and I think you know that too, but, um, the, like, I, I

host a separate podcast from this one.

I don't talk about it a lot, I really should, but it's called the TPE Blueprint

and it's with a, uh, company called MD Lifespan and this Dr. Dr. Paul Savage.

It's great.

Um,

Is that the blood circulation where they're, they're filtering and taking

all the like plastics and molds and

Correcto window.

I

Yeah.

week, so I did

Wow.

How are you feeling?

I feel fabulous.

And, um, yeah, I'll quickly say it, because their treatment is,

um, it's not covered by insurance.

At least like, not for most people.

It's pricier than most people can afford, but the idea is they want to go more

at scale and, and make it affordable.

Um, but it's.

It's expensive right now.

I mean.

So, um, yeah, but it's literally, I, and I'll do a whole episode on this

probably later on, but they cycled eight liters of my blood, so that's

all of my blood, and it took two and a half hours and immediately it pulls out

all of the plasma from my, my blood.

I held up these.

All the plasma that came outta me at the end of it, it was like this really,

or dark orange, orange juice almost.

And that was, it's cloudy because of toxins and other stuff.

But, um, I'll, I'll do a couple more sessions, so that should lighten up.

And, um, so

it's like in another month I'm gonna do it again, and then a

month after, that's basically, um.

But, uh, I mean, I guess just to say the process really fast,

so it's not like lingering.

So all the blood comes out, plasma gets pulled out then, so I have blood going

out of one arm back in the other arm.

Kinda like you're

donating plasma.

Mm-hmm.

bla back in.

Okay, got it.

But, uh, they have albumin.

Put into my blood along with some, uh, I think it was some, um, uh, saline or just

something that basically wouldn't clot, but the albumin is essentially, um, it's

from donated human plasma that's been like radiated cleaned and all that stuff.

So it's clear, it's like a yellowy clear, but that basically is like a placeholder

until my plasma regrows it takes like 78 hour or 72 hours or something like that.

For your own plasma to regrow

correct.

correct.

it.

Got it.

Yep.

And so it took about, yeah.

And right after I get that done, that took two and a half hours.

Then there's an IV had like 14, 15 different supplements and you

know, minerals and all that stuff that gets put right back into me.

So it takes another hour and um, and then now I'm doing this like clean shake.

There's basically still a detox protocol happening, but um, I was

just a little tired afterwards, you know, and that's normal blood sugar

level comes down, all that stuff.

But.

Literally, I'm like waking up way less brain fog.

It's like more of a clean focus feel, if that makes sense.

Like not jittery.

I mean I started with 23 toxins and a lot of molds, weirdly

enough molds, uh, microplastics.

Those are hard to test for, but we all have it in us, like even in our

brains, our, it's fucking nasty.

Even kids are being born with this stuff right now, like

from utero.

So.

It's in everything, but basically, um, all that stuff's gonna get taken out, so it

should go to zero after these sessions.

And, um, but again, it's, it's a protocol.

It's something that most people don't know what it is.

That's why we started a podcast on it and.

We have doctors of all sorts of walks of life, a lot of precision medicine doctors,

because they're not in the system and they're saying the same shit you are Joy.

So I wouldn't hold back.

There's like, well, you know, you gotta do.

It's not it, like it's, it's, there's studies on, it's been around for

years, but for whatever reason, your insurance isn't gonna cover because

it doesn't follow their protocol.

Yeah, exactly.

And then the moment someone goes online and says, oh, I did that process and my

years of suffering with mold migraines, or, you know, any of those things, then,

um, you know, then we have to be really careful to protect our clients like

that because then, oh, is that a claim?

Are they, you know, and then before you know it, you've got the.

Best people wanting to lead us to optimal health in orange jumpsuits because

they're doing the right thing, you know?

So, yeah.

Uh, but we should have a side conversation about that because,

um, that process is definitely something my practitioner audience

would be very, very interested in.

So, I'll, I'll message Heather and see You guys

Awesome.

for dinner anyways.

Absolutely.

We'll make it happen.

I need something, uh, Travis'.

Nice cocktails, you know, he's, he

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Top

notch, right?

Then you're gonna need another blood

transfusion.

You know, it's, yeah, like I don't drink much, but I'm like, you know, I've had,

you know, a couple wines since then, and I, it's weird because like the cravings

of certain things have definitely dropped.

It's only been like a week, um, like it's still

early, but.

Okay.

I want the inside scoop on that.

It is very interesting because I feel like the effects, like I just, it, it's

a lot cleaner of what I put in my body.

Assuming it's gonna be good though more or less.

But even like alcohol, I'm like, don't really feel any

weird, like I don't need it.

But even then, I had a beer the other night at speakeasy, normally I'm like, I

feel a little bit, I'm like, felt fine.

And I was

like, didn't even honestly feel the beer.

I was like, wow, this is, it was more of a test.

I'm like, am I gonna feel the high A, B, B?

Didn't really feel it.

So.

Yeah.

Yeah.

happening, but

Yeah, but I think like you, like you're in the marketing space, in that AI space,

in the entrepreneurial space, and here you are doing something that's at the bleeding

edge of what's possible with our health.

And that's, that's how Joe and I came to be talking about this, right?

Because we're both in that same space.

He's who serves a different niche than me, right?

But I do see that in our industry.

Maybe that's because we're blessed to be, you know, abundant

and have the, the bandwidth to be able to do stuff like that.

And

I fully, fully acknowledge that.

Yeah.

That this is an, like he said, that process is expensive.

Peptides are, you know, grossly expensive in some cases, very affordable if you do

them responsibly and source them well.

Um, but I do think there is this, in our space that we swim in, there is a lot

of, of desire to stay on top of our game, to stay in the forefront of our health.

I love that, that now came out on the podcast because the more that

we're all willing to say, Hey, I feel like I have an unfair advantage,

and I, I, I would like everyone else to know too, because if I'm getting

wins, I, I want to share those wins.

I'm, I'm super stoked that we're getting to share that and I

don't own that company like that.

Any of those like.

You know?

Yeah, there's like a Amazon, but who cares?

It's just, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I'm just like, if there's information that we can share with your

audience, my audience, like let's do it.

Like let's get the word out there.

You know?

We

Amen.

to the singularity, right?

I don't know.

Some say that we're actually there already with ai, so I dunno.

I believe it.

I believe it.

I think

Travis would go ahead and plug right in.

Oh yeah, I know he definitely would.

I might be right behind him I'll let him test it first though.

No, I'm ha joy, I'm stoked that we talked about this.

I know.

We'll, we will do a round two on more of like some of the Heal at

Scale stuff that you're doing.

Talk about your book and how uh, practitioners are scaling themselves.

'cause that's what you do all the time.

But I, I think there's a. You know, there's, that concept can be also applied

to a ton of other business owners.

Right.

Yeah.

And you know how it is, it's like good business strategy, good marketing,

good sales processes, honestly, like those apply to any, any business owner.

Um, but for me, like when I looked back over all the, you know, clients

of our first decade at Launcher, it was like, which clients do I love the most?

Which ones would I like, jump outta bed to serve?

And it was all the.

The wellness, the, the health, the pe, the health celebrities, those kind of things.

And so that's how come we went, you know, we went and did Heal at Scale

because I love serving that audience.

But yeah, what we're gonna talk about next time, it'll serve everybody.

It's changed the quality of my life because literally I work the

first three weeks of the month.

And then we have what we call Thrive Week.

And I'm gonna tell you how we got there, how we set it up, and how all

of our practitioners had followed suit.

Um, and they absolutely love it.

So I wanna make sure your audience knows how to do that.

We'll talk about that next time.

That is rad.

And is Heather my wife gonna love Thrive, thrive Week if I apply

is gonna love it.

You are gonna love it.

You'll have a little bit of paranoia that will set in that it's not gonna work.

My clients will freak out, my business will fall apart.

And like, um, and I only know that because I experienced

that myself, you know?

Um, um, but now it's the San.

Saving marriage, enhancing money, making like secret of how we get

so much done, so efficiently and we stay so passionate about it.

We, we never, we're never on the thread of burnout.

Nice.

Okay.

Um, we are gonna record that one very soon.

So let's, uh, uh,

y'all keep a look out for it.

I think so.

So, all right, joy, is there anything else on the peptide, things

that we left uncovered and, um.

If so, let me know.

But if not, what's something like you're super excited about or just looking

forward to in terms of maybe it's peptides or just health in general that

you're like, you know, the biohacker stuff, like anything that you're kind of

yeah.

yeah.

Yes.

Okay.

So there is a peptide that I'm experimenting and um, this is for

both the ladies and the men out there because it worked for both sexes.

But it is a, um, uh, libido enhancing, like on the spot.

Like you can just be like, okay, well it's date night.

You're like, okay, 45 minutes before date night, I'm gonna try this new peptide.

So I will report back when we record the other one.

Like, okay, did, was it awesome or not awesome.

Maybe that's tm, TMI for

your audience, but like, I'm really excited about, I'm really

excited about try, uh, excited about trying that one for sure.

Like that one's definitely

Just so we're seeding that

Oh my gosh, you're so, I'm, I actually, it's so new that I don't, I need

to grab my phone and like, tell you really quick, but I totally will.

open right now.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

I'm gonna pull up my, I'm gonna pull up my order and I'll

tell you exactly which one it

is.

Yeah, exactly.

But you know what, it was just one of those things that like,

you know, as you age, you wanna be like, okay, how do I optimize for

all the things that make life fun

and having your libido hang.

That definitely keeps things fun.

Okay.

I'm gonna, I'm literally pulling up my order form.

So you guys wanna see, I get to put my secretary glasses on for you.

There you go.

So the one that I'm trying is called PT 1 4 1, P as in Paul, T as in Tom, 1, 4, 1.

And I'll definitely give y'all the low down when we come down to come

back to talk about Thrive Week.

And I'll tell you another for sure.

That's one.

And then NAD plus was a, I was noticing that I got a little tired

when I did my round of, um, red aide.

And so there were two options for like sort of.

You know, balancing that out while your body's adjusting,

which makes sense, right?

Because if you're gonna start optimizing the way that your body, you know,

processes glucose or you know uses fat, then of course any of that's gonna change

your energy the way how much energy you have as your body's balancing out.

So my options to sort of offset that, were NAD plus and mot C,

and I went with NAD plus and.

I love it.

It's like I do 10 milligrams three times a week, three 10 or 10 units.

So like on an insulin syringe, it shows that 10 units, right?

I do 10 units three times a week, and it's like bam.

No, like morning drag?

No, in the afternoon.

Okay.

I would like to take a little cter, whatever, and like, yeah.

I absolutely love it.

I absolutely love it.

Do you, uh, so do you take your peptides in the morning or is

there later in the day, or does it

Okay, so that's a great question.

So for me, and this a good reason for you to have the A have the tracker, um, a do

your research B have the tracker, right.

So I do my stack in the morning and then I do a KPV injection at night.

So I do half of my K pv.

KPV is just a very strong anti-inflammatory.

Um, and so I do kvs in my morning stack, but I do my, the other

half of my dose in the evening.

Got you.

So it's, it is gonna spread out KPV.

Exactly.

Exactly.

And you'll see that when you go into that document that I made you

guys at Get My Peptides, um.com.

If you go into that document and you go down to my favorite educational resources,

literally I have open on my phone in one of my chrome tabs on my phone that, um,

pedia.org, like that's my favorite one for just looking at the dosage, the timing.

Also if you're like, Hey, I've decided that I'm gonna take this stack, right?

This is my stack, but maybe you hear about a cool one from a friend.

I don't add anything to my stack.

A, I don't add more than one thing at a time because I wanna test and see, like

I wanna be able to track the results.

And I always go on there and say, is there a.

Like a contraindication or is one gonna nullify another one because I

Why You don't wanna raise your money.

Right.

So I love that as a resource for checking my dosage, my timing, and any

other peptides that it might, um, be synergistic with, meaning that it makes

it work even better or that it might detract from the efficacy of that.

And it'll tell you other peptides and even other like medications.

So it's super, super helpful.

yeah.

No, that's literally what I'm looking up as you were naming some of these, so.

If you felt like you got super lost with whatever Joy might have said, go to pep

pdia.org and it's, again, it's in the, the document that, that, uh, joy shared.

Yeah, Yeah, look it up.

Look it up.

And also in that education you'll see that, you'll see a lot of the

like online courses that I took just for my own personal information.

And there's some really good ones in there.

That one that's listed from, there's a couple listed from

her, but Dr. Tracy Strub.

Um, her courses are really good because they're condition specific, so they're

so, and you get little protocols, you can print them out and like.

Okay.

This person in my family is looking, working on weight loss, or if you're

working on a gut issue or if you've been struggling with depression or a

DD, like she has condition specific protocols that she explains and she

explains all of the options of all of the peptides that are known to have

rock solid research in that area.

And then she helps you decide, or like narrow it down.

Okay, well if all these peptides can have an effect, what is the effect?

What is the research, how should I put my stack together?

And she's very conservative, so like, like be minimal instead of maximalist with what

she's, she's throwing at it, you know?

And I love having the printed out protocols.

Like I, I mean, I don't physically print them 'cause I don't wanna be

wasteful, but I have them on deck, on my iPad and I just flip through them.

So if, you know, my friends or family are asking, I'm like,

well, you could look at this.

I'm not your doctor, but you could look at

Mm-hmm.

Well, that's why I'm going to just send them now to get my peptides.com.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Yeah.

me questions, I'm like, just go there.

Yeah.

Like it's

Yeah,

and it's not an opt-in you guys, again, like my business is heal@scale.com.

It's a completely different business, and when you go there you'll see opt-ins

and normal funnels and stuff like that.

This is like, I love Joe and his wife Heather.

They're amazing, and if they're halfway decent to this audience as they are to

us and our community, then I just wanted to show up big and be like, Hey, don't

waste your time doing all the research.

If I can let you stand on my shoulders, let's go.

The show, uh, you and Travis both Overdelivered and shout out to him.

I know he is not

right here, but I'm sure he'll hear about it.

Give him a big, big, big old hug.

And I know.

I, I, yeah.

Well you got the, uh, the payback of the B PC 1, 5, 7, I think,

uh, the

of course.

Yeah.

Thank you, dude.

Thank you.

you so, um, joy, this is amazing.

Love you too.

Love Travis.

You are amazing.

We're gonna come, uh, you know, like we're gonna have some cocktails.

Have a good time and talk more.

Of course.

Yes.

Alright you guys, I'm gonna plug it because in case he doesn't, but like,

if you're not following this guy, if you're not subscribing to this guy, if

you're not telling your friends about this guy, then you are not spreading the

love that is available to everyone with everything that he brings to market.

So I'm just gonna give you that shout out,

Thank you.

Thank you very much.

It makes me cry over here.

Yes, do that and then follow joy as well.

Um, heal@scale.com.

Anywhere else?

You said the, uh, real joy Houston on Instagram, right else.

Yeah, exactly.

That's a great place.

If they just have questions or like wanna

Sweet.

personal stack or whatever, like I'm an open book

I know, I know.

All right.

Round two is coming soon.

All right, y'all.

So keep a lookout for joy.

All right.

Thank you.

Bye.