8 - Screw those Screws - Parts Department

Jem: 00:00:00

Oh good thinking.

Jem: 00:00:01

Clap on that night.

Jem: 00:00:02

Shall we?

Justin: 00:00:03

Yep.

Jem: 00:00:03

1, 2, 3.

Justin: 00:00:11

So you got on your computer.

Jem: 00:00:12

Yeah,

Justin: 00:00:13

How's that going?

Jem: 00:00:15

That's good.

Jem: 00:00:16

It's a bit of a time suck.

Justin: 00:00:18

Yeah, they are.

Justin: 00:00:19

Yeah.

Jem: 00:00:20

it's fantastic.

Jem: 00:00:22

Very happy.

Jem: 00:00:22

Yeah, it turned up on Monday after saying last week that it was still weeks

Jem: 00:00:26

away, which is what the tracking said

Justin: 00:00:28

That's cool.

Jem: 00:00:29

suddenly it was there and I've spent a lot of my precious R and

Jem: 00:00:33

D time this week setting up rhino shortcuts and things like that.

Justin: 00:00:38

Yeah.

Justin: 00:00:38

Yeah.

Justin: 00:00:39

That'll happen.

Justin: 00:00:39

That are you like get in between, I was like, I'm gonna start using the new one.

Justin: 00:00:43

Then I just leave a bunch of crap on the old one for a

Jem: 00:00:45

Oh yeah.

Justin: 00:00:46

can't find

Jem: 00:00:47

crap.

Justin: 00:00:49

Yeah.

Jem: 00:00:49

Yeah, absolutely.

Jem: 00:00:51

No, it's really good.

Jem: 00:00:51

I'm happy.

Jem: 00:00:52

Super fast.

Jem: 00:00:54

So for the listeners, it's a MacBook pro 14 inch kind of mid spec, not quite

Jem: 00:01:03

the base model, but I can't remember all the numbers that are attached to it.

Jem: 00:01:07

16 gig Ram.

Jem: 00:01:09

And so far, everything is very fast and snappy.

Jem: 00:01:14

The one thing that I'm, coming from a fairly high spec, Lenovo ThinkPad.

Jem: 00:01:20

I bought as a mobile workstation that year or so ago.

Jem: 00:01:23

The one thing that is significantly slower is rhino

Justin: 00:01:27

Yes, I should probably should have told you that.

Justin: 00:01:30

Not since you use it so

Jem: 00:01:31

knew, and you didn't tell me yeah, it's laggy.

Justin: 00:01:36

I've been thinking about making this video cause I made

Justin: 00:01:38

videos about fusion and rhino.

Justin: 00:01:40

There really wasn't any, when the new M one stuff came out and

Justin: 00:01:43

so I made a couple of those and they get a piece amount of views.

Justin: 00:01:47

It seemed really great at the time.

Justin: 00:01:48

And since using it for the last, since 20, 20 different incarnations of

Justin: 00:01:53

the computers, now I've just come to realize they really need to make the

Justin: 00:01:58

native versions for it to really it I'm having this problem all the time.

Justin: 00:02:03

Now, especially with fusion that it just eats all of my Ram.

Justin: 00:02:07

And then it just like, I, it was using 17 gigs of Ram the

Justin: 00:02:11

other day, and I only have 16.

Justin: 00:02:12

And I was like, how is that even possible?

Justin: 00:02:13

Like what?

Justin: 00:02:16

So yeah, they were a little bit, they can get bogged down

Justin: 00:02:20

in terms of like multitasking and things made natively for it.

Justin: 00:02:24

It's so

Jem: 00:02:25

Amazing.

Jem: 00:02:26

Yeah.

Jem: 00:02:27

Cyrus.

Jem: 00:02:29

Yeah, look, I don't know what the deal is with rhino, because rhino

Jem: 00:02:32

is such a light application on PC.

Jem: 00:02:35

Like it uses barely any resources opens fast.

Jem: 00:02:38

It's really know.

Jem: 00:02:40

Cause I, I, I think I mentioned I have my sandpit file open

Jem: 00:02:43

pretty much all the time.

Jem: 00:02:45

It's got

Justin: 00:02:45

Yeah.

Jem: 00:02:46

heaps of geometry in it.

Jem: 00:02:49

And yet the first thing I opened on the new one was that sandpit.

Jem: 00:02:52

And I was like, Ooh, just panning, panning around was significantly slower.

Jem: 00:02:57

And so he'd, you know, 90% of the geometry and that helped significantly.

Jem: 00:03:01

So if I'm running a light rhino file, it's fun.

Jem: 00:03:03

It just gets bogged down with the big ones.

Justin: 00:03:06

I've read a little bit that on their forum, that they're

Justin: 00:03:09

really responsive on that they do have a work in progress.

Justin: 00:03:14

I don't remember if it's seven or eight that you can use.

Justin: 00:03:16

If you have a license and it's supposed to be native now or metal or

Justin: 00:03:21

something, I don't really understand quite what it is, but it's supposed

Justin: 00:03:24

to be improved and they're there.

Justin: 00:03:26

They've been working on a native version.

Justin: 00:03:28

So the trick with that will be, if you're trying to collaborate internally and

Justin: 00:03:34

you have a beta and nobody else does,

Jem: 00:03:39

everyone else is on rhino five, so they stuffed anyway.

Jem: 00:03:43

It's all good.

Justin: 00:03:45

Jem's just making files.

Justin: 00:03:46

Nobody can use, I do that all the time on accident.

Jem: 00:03:50

Yeah.

Jem: 00:03:51

Yeah, but it's fun.

Jem: 00:03:52

And, and, you know, biggest highlight, I think I shared with

Jem: 00:03:54

you on the slack was just getting access to that Numi calculator app.

Jem: 00:03:59

I love it so much fun.

Justin: 00:04:01

It's very new.

Justin: 00:04:02

It's like the perfect kind of nerdy that we like.

Justin: 00:04:05

It's just a little clean calculator with kind of some, natural language

Justin: 00:04:10

kind of almost where you can

Justin: 00:04:11

like kind of process stuff line by line.

Justin: 00:04:13

But it's just, I have all these files that I come back to that over time.

Justin: 00:04:18

Like they used to calculate the phone bill between my family members every month.

Justin: 00:04:21

And you just put in a couple of things, knowing, calculate it out.

Justin: 00:04:24

It's basically a little spreadsheet, but it can be on any Mac it's faster

Justin: 00:04:28

than that to access, I think often.

Justin: 00:04:31

And it just looks better too.

Jem: 00:04:34

Yeah.

Jem: 00:04:34

And I think that's fine.

Jem: 00:04:35

I don't think I'm the computer is just the battery.

Jem: 00:04:37

Life is stupid.

Jem: 00:04:38

Good.

Justin: 00:04:40

That's true.

Jem: 00:04:41

Coming from two hours max on the thing pad to seemingly

Jem: 00:04:46

limitless battery life on this.

Jem: 00:04:48

It's amazing.

Jem: 00:04:49

So it's sitting and sitting on the couch last night with light room open,

Jem: 00:04:53

just like trolling 8,000 photos for the website and you know, two hours

Jem: 00:04:58

later they'd use 20% or something.

Jem: 00:05:00

It's amazing.

Justin: 00:05:01

And I've definitely noticed too, that the same thing applies for

Justin: 00:05:06

anything that's native versus non native apps will suck more power because that

Justin: 00:05:10

like conversion, Rosetta thing seems to eat like fusion is a battery hug.

Justin: 00:05:14

So,

Jem: 00:05:15

interesting.

Jem: 00:05:15

Okay, good.

Justin: 00:05:16

it's still really good.

Justin: 00:05:18

You still get a lot out of it.

Justin: 00:05:20

So, Yeah.

Justin: 00:05:21

I'm happy with myself.

Jem: 00:05:23

Awesome.

Jem: 00:05:23

Good.

Jem: 00:05:24

How's your week?

Jem: 00:05:25

What's happening?

Justin: 00:05:26

I've been printing like a madman I've got last time we

Justin: 00:05:31

were live printing this one,

Jem: 00:05:34

Yeah,

Justin: 00:05:34

which we call baby pants.

Jem: 00:05:36

baby pants appropriately.

Justin: 00:05:38

that was like the first print I'd ever done.

Justin: 00:05:40

I've probably done like 15 versions in digital model farm of our dust boot kind

Justin: 00:05:46

of, I'm just trying to make it work and seeking through the concepts of like

Justin: 00:05:51

how, if you had two and they came to one, like two, four inches came down

Justin: 00:05:55

to one thing in the bottom or just all these different versions over, you know,

Justin: 00:05:59

I said like, basically you're so, and so this one turned out pretty good and

Justin: 00:06:05

we liked how it kind of fed it in some plywood testing and we mounted it up

Justin: 00:06:10

to the spindle and it was mostly good.

Justin: 00:06:13

And I immediately noticed like, oh, this is going to suck to keep attached.

Justin: 00:06:17

Cause it was just basically like floating in there.

Justin: 00:06:19

And I was like maybe a bunch of glue.

Justin: 00:06:21

And I was like, that's a bad idea.

Justin: 00:06:22

That's a bad idea.

Justin: 00:06:24

Quickly chatted through and I added a few screw downs and kind of see like faces.

Justin: 00:06:29

No.

Jem: 00:06:30

Yeah.

Justin: 00:06:31

And

Jem: 00:06:31

Hold down points.

Jem: 00:06:32

Yep.

Justin: 00:06:32

little bit more of like but I guess on the backside that

Justin: 00:06:36

sits on the plate and a little bit

Jem: 00:06:39

Let's go.

Justin: 00:06:40

but I think we may be able to finish the plates out of a Siedel

Justin: 00:06:45

and then actually mounted up today.

Justin: 00:06:47

That's been super exciting big improvement for us.

Justin: 00:06:50

And then a lot of people seem to be interested in potentially having one

Justin: 00:06:54

as well, which I'm excited about.

Justin: 00:06:56

And

Jem: 00:06:57

Myself

Justin: 00:06:58

yeah, I'm

Justin: 00:06:58

curious about that.

Justin: 00:07:00

Yeah,

Jem: 00:07:00

So you have modeled how many versions of that before printing one?

Justin: 00:07:04

Well, you know how you do like versioning and fusion oil?

Justin: 00:07:07

It's like, I've gone through like six different files with major idea changes

Jem: 00:07:14

such restraint.

Jem: 00:07:15

I don't know how you do it.

Jem: 00:07:17

Like how do you not just print the first one?

Justin: 00:07:19

Well, we didn't have a printer for like the first four versions of that.

Justin: 00:07:23

So it was just kind of, that actually helped speed it up because then I knew

Justin: 00:07:27

what I could print a little bit better.

Justin: 00:07:29

Also that we could even print it.

Justin: 00:07:31

Like it was kind of a, I was going to outsource that and like probably some

Justin: 00:07:36

commercial, you know, crazy printer.

Justin: 00:07:38

So

Jem: 00:07:39

Yeah.

Justin: 00:07:39

that helped a lot.

Justin: 00:07:41

And and it just was easy, similar to probably how you were using yours.

Justin: 00:07:45

It's just easy to kind of ignore.

Justin: 00:07:47

Like it works, ours works.

Justin: 00:07:49

Okay.

Justin: 00:07:50

People sweep it up and you just get you're annoyed by it, but it's like,

Justin: 00:07:55

well, it's not stopping us from working.

Justin: 00:07:58

And I got to take the machine apart to fix it, you know, like I'm working on it.

Jem: 00:08:02

Yeah.

Jem: 00:08:03

Alice has got these silly little pneumatic push downs on the pressure foot.

Jem: 00:08:07

And John had a little bump, you know, minor crash the other day.

Jem: 00:08:10

And so both of the pneumatic arms are now bent, so they don't even retract out.

Jem: 00:08:14

So the thing's just useless.

Jem: 00:08:15

That's a stuck.

Justin: 00:08:16

it does like a little kick move every time it comes down.

Justin: 00:08:22

Yeah.

Justin: 00:08:22

That, and been kind of cranking on, planning for like a video shoot of

Justin: 00:08:27

our Nack wall stuff beginning of June.

Justin: 00:08:30

And so for he's cutting more parts right now or getting them finished and

Justin: 00:08:36

trying to get it all prepped so that we can do more than just talk about it.

Jem: 00:08:41

Fantastic.

Justin: 00:08:42

Yeah.

Jem: 00:08:42

Good one.

Jem: 00:08:43

Whether you shoot that.

Justin: 00:08:45

I have a friend that's going to be nearby actually, and he's going to come.

Jem: 00:08:50

Fantastic.

Jem: 00:08:51

Awesome.

Jem: 00:08:52

What do you shoot on when you're not just doing handheld?

Justin: 00:08:57

I have a Sony a three S a three, a three alpha three.

Justin: 00:09:03

I just got that like last year.

Justin: 00:09:05

So I haven't used it all that much, but like it a lot and very crisp,

Justin: 00:09:10

like compared to I had a, kind of a more entry Sony mirrorless and it,

Justin: 00:09:15

it definitely improves upon a lot of the things that I liked about that.

Justin: 00:09:19

How

Jem: 00:09:19

Yeah.

Jem: 00:09:19

Had a Canon 7D

Justin: 00:09:23

Hm.

Jem: 00:09:23

for about 12 years and had a nice piece of glass on the front of it.

Jem: 00:09:30

That was worth a lot more than the camera buddy.

Justin: 00:09:32

Yeah.

Jem: 00:09:33

And I was doing a photo shoot maybe 18 months ago at work and

Jem: 00:09:37

I just hit the tripod release and I didn't catch the camera.

Jem: 00:09:41

I was just kind of on autopilot.

Jem: 00:09:43

I just took the camera off and the whole thing just went and fell to

Jem: 00:09:47

the concrete body was fine, but the lens literally snapped in half.

Jem: 00:09:50

And thankfully it was insured

Jem: 00:09:53

and the insurance payout got me a new Fuji XT4 for,

Justin: 00:09:58

nice.

Jem: 00:09:58

And I'd never had a sort of small whatever they called mirrorless

Jem: 00:10:02

camera before, but I'm so impressed with the sharpness, like going through

Jem: 00:10:06

shots last night, you can see the point very, very clearly say the

Jem: 00:10:10

point at which the cameras switched.

Jem: 00:10:12

And it's like, it goes from kind of soft edges on the Canon to

Jem: 00:10:15

suddenly like everything's just ultra crisp and sharp and on the Fuji.

Jem: 00:10:19

So I've been very happy with that.

Justin: 00:10:21

Yeah, I have a similar experience.

Justin: 00:10:23

The thing that I have noticed video was more than anything I was, you know, I had

Justin: 00:10:27

the first one since 2019, the mirrorless is 4k and I would never shoot for a cake.

Justin: 00:10:32

So it was just like, most people aren't using that on the internet.

Justin: 00:10:35

Like, you know, using it as a format it's giant, it's hard to edit with.

Justin: 00:10:40

And like with the improvement of computers and storage and all this stuff

Justin: 00:10:43

now, I'm like, I'm always shooting for a K and it's so much better quality.

Justin: 00:10:47

Like even when you edit it down to 10 80, that I kind of wish

Justin: 00:10:51

I had done it a long time ago.

Jem: 00:10:52

It's amazing that the file size is disgusting.

Justin: 00:10:55

Yeah, for sure.

Justin: 00:10:56

I mean, we were talking about this, I think offline, but like,

Justin: 00:11:00

it's one of the few things that I don't really like put into cloud.

Justin: 00:11:03

I just have backups here and then I do like a.

Justin: 00:11:07

Back please backup of that.

Jem: 00:11:09

Okay.

Jem: 00:11:09

So you've just got external drives that you deal with video on.

Justin: 00:11:13

Yeah.

Justin: 00:11:13

I just kind of keep everything

Jem: 00:11:16

that's cool.

Justin: 00:11:17

yeah.

Justin: 00:11:18

A

Jem: 00:11:18

I need, I need to do that.

Jem: 00:11:19

I've been procrastinating from buying an external hard drive fee years.

Justin: 00:11:25

That was honestly a big change.

Justin: 00:11:26

Cause I just, like, I think I realized that an eight gig or eight terabyte

Justin: 00:11:30

external was like 180 bucks or something.

Justin: 00:11:33

And I was like, oh my word, like, I can store so much video on this.

Jem: 00:11:37

yeah, I just need to do that by the bullet.

Jem: 00:11:40

Cause I, I literally don't shoot in 4k or I shoot less 4k because I'm

Jem: 00:11:46

just bored by the file storage issue.

Justin: 00:11:49

no, no, I totally agree.

Justin: 00:11:50

And that was, that was a big restraint for me.

Justin: 00:11:52

And I was always like, oh, that's stupid.

Justin: 00:11:55

Like I don't need that.

Justin: 00:11:56

And then I literally have a tick tock tick tock video I've made, I shot in 4k.

Justin: 00:12:01

I edited it down, even on Tik TOK, I constantly get comments

Justin: 00:12:04

about how good the quality is.

Justin: 00:12:06

It's just because of shooting that way and then not, you know,

Justin: 00:12:11

enlarging it or anything like that.

Justin: 00:12:13

So,

Jem: 00:12:14

Nice.

Justin: 00:12:16

yeah, I wish I'd spend more time shooting, honestly.

Jem: 00:12:21

Yeah, me too.

Jem: 00:12:22

On that.

Jem: 00:12:22

Shooting all day today, hopefully

Justin: 00:12:24

Whoo.

Justin: 00:12:25

What are you?

Justin: 00:12:25

What is it?

Jem: 00:12:26

most rare occasion.

Jem: 00:12:28

I've carved out hopefully 90% of today for dedicated shooting time.

Jem: 00:12:34

I've got a friend coming.

Jem: 00:12:35

We'd kind of, we'd been wanting to do this throughout various COVID lockdowns

Jem: 00:12:39

and it never quite made it happen.

Jem: 00:12:42

And we finally sort of clear of

Justin: 00:12:44

Yeah.

Jem: 00:12:45

of that nonsense.

Jem: 00:12:47

And so he's coming for the day and he'll get here about 10 o'clock and

Jem: 00:12:50

we'll spend the rest of the day shooting content for the website and shooting

Jem: 00:12:55

new products, try and get some video, a bunch of stills, just spend time working

Jem: 00:13:01

together, setting up shots basically.

Jem: 00:13:03

And hopefully not get too bogged down because in the past, when

Jem: 00:13:07

I've tried to do stuff like that, I sort of set up one shot.

Jem: 00:13:09

And by then, you know, a few hours later, I'm like, cool, I'm done.

Jem: 00:13:13

I can't be bothered, packing this up and making another sane now that'll do.

Justin: 00:13:17

Yeah, that's really interesting how we're doing that at the same

Justin: 00:13:21

time, because I'm trying to plan out.

Justin: 00:13:25

Kind of a meeting yesterday about, I was getting bogged down mentally,

Justin: 00:13:28

just trying to process, like, what are we trying to accomplish with

Justin: 00:13:30

doing this little video shoot?

Justin: 00:13:32

I mean, that, it's a new thing is challenging for me to, I'm trying to

Justin: 00:13:35

like formulate what the angles are and like pitching this to people, right?

Justin: 00:13:40

Like what, what, what are the features and benefits, but I guess

Justin: 00:13:43

the question I have all that is how do you plan video or photo shoots?

Justin: 00:13:48

Do you have like a system or you just write a WorkFlowy?

Jem: 00:13:52

Planning.

Jem: 00:13:52

I don't think I've ever planned a photoshoot.

Jem: 00:13:54

I no, I just wing it.

Jem: 00:13:56

I totally just wing it.

Jem: 00:13:57

And even if I have.

Jem: 00:13:58

Pretended to have gone into it with a bit of a plan or a sketch or something.

Jem: 00:14:02

It typically gets thrown in the bin pretty quickly.

Jem: 00:14:05

And I just kind of let, let the dust, the process kind of lead me.

Justin: 00:14:10

Yeah.

Jem: 00:14:11

I, as with most things I make, I think I'm similar with photos.

Jem: 00:14:15

I just sort of do it fairly intuitively and just follow my knives and see

Jem: 00:14:19

what looks good and what looks crap.

Jem: 00:14:21

And don't, you know, cause I find if I'm too set on an idea and I'll try

Jem: 00:14:26

and achieve that idea and I like, it's not working out, then I get frustrated.

Jem: 00:14:32

Whereas if I don't have a fixed plan, I'll just follow my nose which is fine

Jem: 00:14:38

if you're just trying to get some shots.

Jem: 00:14:40

But if you're trying to communicate something, that's a very different story.

Jem: 00:14:44

And I think that's where I fall down in my product, photography

Jem: 00:14:47

and communication online.

Jem: 00:14:49

I'm not really focusing on what am I actually trying to communicate to

Jem: 00:14:54

our customers in the most effective, efficient way, and then shoot for that.

Jem: 00:14:58

That that's hard.

Justin: 00:15:00

Yeah, no, I totally agree.

Justin: 00:15:01

So I, the last one I did was the whiteboard and it was just like at my

Justin: 00:15:05

house, which is usually the easiest, cause this isn't a very aesthetic space

Justin: 00:15:10

here and not that my house is, but it just has a blank wall that worked.

Justin: 00:15:14

And I found that to be so much easier to just set up and like take some photos.

Justin: 00:15:20

I keep thinking about is make sure videos to make into content

Justin: 00:15:24

as well as usable on the website.

Justin: 00:15:27

I can shoot photos all day of these things.

Justin: 00:15:29

They're not that complicated The other thing is I can render this so well, like

Justin: 00:15:34

not, not that my skills are so good, but it's just, so it's all infusion.

Justin: 00:15:38

So I just have seen set up or if I want a combination of things,

Justin: 00:15:42

I can just quickly render that.

Justin: 00:15:43

I'm trying to prioritize, it seems like there needs to be some story because I

Justin: 00:15:49

don't immediately think people are gonna see this Nack Wall and go, oh yeah.

Justin: 00:15:54

Like I can put that in my space or something like kind of has to

Justin: 00:15:58

be, they need a scale reference.

Justin: 00:16:00

They need, I don't know.

Justin: 00:16:01

You know what I mean?

Jem: 00:16:03

Yeah.

Jem: 00:16:03

Narrative story, all those, all those things that are so much harder than just

Jem: 00:16:08

picking up a camera or putting it in.

Justin: 00:16:11

Yeah.

Jem: 00:16:12

and take so much more time and planning and critical thinking.

Jem: 00:16:15

Yeah, totally get you.

Jem: 00:16:16

So I you know, I'm still a hundred and no, I'm still like I'm still

Jem: 00:16:21

working on Annie Shopify theme build the last night on the couch.

Jem: 00:16:26

You know, I think I was secretly waiting for these computer to arrive before

Jem: 00:16:30

I like spent time editing photos.

Jem: 00:16:31

Cause I wanted this screen

Justin: 00:16:33

it's really good.

Justin: 00:16:34

Quality.

Jem: 00:16:36

So I was sitting on the couch and I'd lie to Dean the last, you know, 10,

Jem: 00:16:39

15 years of photography into Lightroom.

Jem: 00:16:42

And I just scroll, scroll, scroll.

Jem: 00:16:43

That's not, so that's not SEO.

Jem: 00:16:44

I'll use that for this banner.

Jem: 00:16:46

Just picking out random stuff like from this huge library of photos that

Jem: 00:16:52

creates quite a nice look and you know, the website's looking really

Jem: 00:16:54

nice, but there's new banners, but it's not, it's not intentional.

Jem: 00:16:59

It's kind of just opportunistic.

Jem: 00:17:00

It's not communicating.

Jem: 00:17:02

To a point.

Jem: 00:17:03

I can communicate an idea by my photo selection, but I'm not yeah.

Jem: 00:17:08

Building something from scratch to really clearly say why this product

Jem: 00:17:14

is good or, you know, so yeah.

Jem: 00:17:18

Don't know I've got no answers for

Justin: 00:17:21

Yeah.

Justin: 00:17:22

Well, do you ever have this thing where you, like you work in a product

Justin: 00:17:25

or a project so long that you kind of lose an outward sense of it

Jem: 00:17:29

totally.

Justin: 00:17:30

where it's like, isn't it just obvious, like I'll show my wife something

Justin: 00:17:33

I'm working on and she's a designer and she'll just go with, it makes no sense

Justin: 00:17:36

with the rest of what you're working on.

Justin: 00:17:37

I'm like, okay.

Justin: 00:17:39

Like, I guess I was just making a cool thing and I forgot about like, oh, it

Justin: 00:17:46

has to work with these other objects.

Justin: 00:17:49

Yeah, totally.

Justin: 00:17:50

And even if it is a cool thing, It's hard to have that external sense

Justin: 00:17:54

of how someone else may view it how someone else may want to use it.

Justin: 00:18:00

And that's why you need to get your Nack Wall out into the world.

Justin: 00:18:03

Yes.

Justin: 00:18:04

Yes, I totally agree.

Jem: 00:18:07

I had a brilliant email the other day from a customer because Jay, I've

Jem: 00:18:10

been talking about this idea of how to we've got this dream for Kitta parts

Jem: 00:18:14

of having an online configurator.

Jem: 00:18:17

So our customer can I drag and drop components almost like a game and build

Jem: 00:18:21

their own set and, you know, click order and this fantastic email the

Jem: 00:18:28

other day from a customer who wanted a custom kit of parts and using masking

Jem: 00:18:32

tape on their wall that like taped.

Jem: 00:18:35

They've made all the components out of masking tape and like taped it

Jem: 00:18:38

up at full-scale on their wall and written like short shelf, short down,

Jem: 00:18:42

Lawndale labeled it all photographed.

Jem: 00:18:44

It, sent it through as like, this is perfect.

Jem: 00:18:46

Like, this is exactly the tool we want to make, but in digital form

Jem: 00:18:52

so calling on old developers out there who can help us with that,

Jem: 00:18:56

cause we haven't found anyone yet.

Justin: 00:18:58

I would love that.

Justin: 00:18:58

That would be so cool.

Justin: 00:18:59

It, a lot of the technology seems like it's now there with, I mean, every

Justin: 00:19:04

iPhone that's come out in the last few years can do augmented reality

Justin: 00:19:08

and like is that the right phrase?

Justin: 00:19:10

You can then basically project the idea of a 3d object into the camera

Jem: 00:19:15

yeah.

Justin: 00:19:16

fun.

Jem: 00:19:17

Yup.

Justin: 00:19:17

And even Shopify supports it right now.

Justin: 00:19:19

So you can export from fusion, this little file, and then people can do that.

Justin: 00:19:25

But the problem is we're both probably running in the same thing.

Justin: 00:19:28

They're not configured scenes, they're an object,

Jem: 00:19:32

Yeah.

Justin: 00:19:33

not six things.

Justin: 00:19:34

It's.

Justin: 00:19:34

But you could potentially, and this idea, right.

Justin: 00:19:37

If you did or could configure it quickly enough for them that it made sense, maybe

Justin: 00:19:42

your rhino scenes are quick to assemble.

Justin: 00:19:45

You could then send them, send them a file and they can then

Justin: 00:19:47

project it onto their space.

Jem: 00:19:51

Yeah.

Jem: 00:19:51

And that's how I do it in rhino.

Jem: 00:19:53

I've got so I find that's the fastest way to do it.

Jem: 00:19:55

I've got blocks of the components and then I've got some smart text

Jem: 00:20:00

blocks that count the blocks.

Jem: 00:20:01

And so I can lay out the configurations and then I've got a little tally

Jem: 00:20:05

down the side that tells me how many components I've used

Justin: 00:20:08

oh, cool.

Justin: 00:20:10

I don't know about

Jem: 00:20:10

going ahead.

Jem: 00:20:11

It, yeah, I'll show you in rhino.

Jem: 00:20:13

It's a really neat little trick.

Justin: 00:20:14

Yeah.

Jem: 00:20:15

Yeah, and that's quite fast and you know, it's nice being

Jem: 00:20:17

able to design a set for someone, but just be, there'd be so good.

Jem: 00:20:20

The customers to be able to configure their own stuff.

Justin: 00:20:23

I've definitely been kind of bashing my head against the wall a few

Justin: 00:20:26

times with we're trying to make kids have the Nack wall, but it's like pretty

Justin: 00:20:31

tough to predict things for people in a predetermined, what somebody might

Justin: 00:20:36

want and then make it, so it works.

Justin: 00:20:39

But the alternative is how do they, how in the most basic sense, it's

Justin: 00:20:43

like, if we don't show them something that's pre set up, then they have to

Justin: 00:20:47

kind of arrange it and make it fit mentally, basically, because we don't

Justin: 00:20:51

have a better, you have something,

Jem: 00:20:54

yeah.

Jem: 00:20:54

No, I'm just

Jem: 00:20:55

agreeing with you Yeah,

Justin: 00:20:56

were shaking your head.

Justin: 00:20:57

Like, no, I have a thing.

Justin: 00:20:58

And I was like, oh, tell me no,

Jem: 00:21:00

no, no, no.

Justin: 00:21:01

It's so the kit seems obvious to me is at least as

Justin: 00:21:05

small, basic building blocks.

Justin: 00:21:07

And then you have this much extra space to play with.

Jem: 00:21:09

Yeah, I think that's essential because while you being so familiar

Jem: 00:21:14

with the product may be able to mentally 3d model that configuration

Jem: 00:21:18

in your mind the customer in our experience with stuff like that, kids

Jem: 00:21:22

sell much, better, much, much better

Jem: 00:21:26

because giving, just giving everyone individual components as options, unless

Jem: 00:21:30

they've already bought a kit of parts and they're familiar with the system,

Jem: 00:21:33

then they might be confident to buy a few parts and make another little thing.

Jem: 00:21:37

But that, kit at the outset, I think, is essential for anything

Jem: 00:21:40

like that, which is kind of system

Jem: 00:21:42

based.

Jem: 00:21:45

And again, I would push you to not sort of labor over it too

Jem: 00:21:49

long in terms of what the perfect configuration is, and just like throw

Jem: 00:21:53

a kit together and get it out there.

Jem: 00:21:55

Cause you'll get feedback whether it's direct feedback

Jem: 00:21:58

or whether it's people then by.

Jem: 00:22:00

The bit that they feel is missing.

Jem: 00:22:03

And if you see a pattern there, then you can update your kit

Justin: 00:22:07

Yeah, that's good.

Justin: 00:22:08

Good advice.

Jem: 00:22:10

though, because then you end up with so many variants in Shopify

Jem: 00:22:16

and then trying to manage all those variants and update them, keep them,

Jem: 00:22:20

yeah.

Jem: 00:22:21

Fun, fun.

Justin: 00:22:22

nerdy for a second.

Justin: 00:22:23

I, I think Saunders was talking about this, like bundling or

Justin: 00:22:27

kidding plugin a long time ago.

Justin: 00:22:29

I asked him about it and I don't remember.

Justin: 00:22:31

He either sent me it or I found a different version.

Justin: 00:22:34

It lets you take one product period and then that's a bundle

Justin: 00:22:37

and then you can like attach other things to it, to create these

Jem: 00:22:40

Cool.

Justin: 00:22:41

pre bundled things.

Justin: 00:22:42

And then the benefit of that is when us, as the sellers gotta fulfill

Justin: 00:22:48

that, it's not just like, version a.

Justin: 00:22:51

Or product day bundle.

Justin: 00:22:53

It literally pulls all those names into, of each assembled item.

Justin: 00:22:58

Sub-areas kind of thing, and also takes down the inventory

Justin: 00:23:02

of those things it gets bought.

Justin: 00:23:05

So you, you actually keep track of it because that's a nightmare I've found

Justin: 00:23:09

with even small other kits of like planners and things is when one thing is

Justin: 00:23:15

in for other products, it doesn't really track like, oh, we have 16 of these.

Justin: 00:23:21

That's just like one says 16, one says 15.

Justin: 00:23:23

Yeah,

Jem: 00:23:24

there's a lot.

Jem: 00:23:24

I need to look into that sort of bundling stuff as well.

Jem: 00:23:27

We've, we've never bothered, bothered tracking inventory.

Jem: 00:23:29

I find it too complex to keep on top of.

Jem: 00:23:33

And then for it to be accurate, you have to, I think the, the Johns have talked

Jem: 00:23:37

about this, but like, do you track it, do you spend the time tracking it or do you

Jem: 00:23:40

just have like a Kanban level that when you hit that it just triggers production

Jem: 00:23:44

and we've always done the latter,

Jem: 00:23:47

and just, if we're running out of something, then we'll make more, but

Jem: 00:23:50

don't try and sort of keep up with exactly how many things we have on the shelf.

Justin: 00:23:55

I started out not knowing what the hell I was doing right with that stuff.

Justin: 00:23:58

And I bought some

Jem: 00:23:59

Um,

Justin: 00:23:59

fives eight years ago that I was trying to track

Justin: 00:24:02

everything, every screw that was me.

Justin: 00:24:05

And I was so stressed out about the, all the time.

Justin: 00:24:08

It's always breaking.

Justin: 00:24:08

It was like another level of trying to be an accountant, but I never

Justin: 00:24:12

wanted to be in the first place.

Justin: 00:24:13

And finally, I think, I don't know what it was.

Justin: 00:24:16

It was like podcast or something.

Justin: 00:24:17

I was just like, screw that.

Justin: 00:24:19

And I like jettisoned all that off and it just felt so good.

Justin: 00:24:22

I think some of

Jem: 00:24:22

Screw those screws.

Justin: 00:24:26

I think so maybe it was Saunders just saying like, well, we don't do that.

Justin: 00:24:28

You know, like I don't either have to track every everyone or you

Justin: 00:24:32

use some kind of leveling system.

Justin: 00:24:34

And after that, it's just been so nice to not worry about that.

Justin: 00:24:39

the other thing is we're both luckily in a non-emergency

Justin: 00:24:43

based product world, right?

Justin: 00:24:45

Like nobody absolutely needs fixturing to make their next part it's oh no.

Justin: 00:24:51

My Kitta parts isn't here.

Justin: 00:24:53

I can't put my shelves up.

Jem: 00:24:54

those high expectations in the furniture game, Justin, you know this,

Justin: 00:24:58

We talked about this last time though.

Jem: 00:25:01

I simply must.

Jem: 00:25:02

Yeah, no, it makes sense.

Justin: 00:25:06

That's how you're working on coffee table.

Justin: 00:25:08

That looks interesting.

Justin: 00:25:09

Long's that been in the press?

Jem: 00:25:11

John.

Jem: 00:25:11

And I sat down yesterday and counted how many new products

Jem: 00:25:14

we're sitting on yesterday?

Jem: 00:25:15

I think we're up to nine.

Jem: 00:25:19

Just, we've got a list going in their table.

Jem: 00:25:21

And we're trying on the planning note, we're actually trying to plan product

Jem: 00:25:24

launches for the first time ever.

Jem: 00:25:25

Instead of me just like randomly dropping stuff on Instagram overnight

Jem: 00:25:29

and saying, Hey, your product.

Jem: 00:25:31

And then everyone else in the business going off jam, done it again.

Jem: 00:25:36

Like now we have to catch up and do all the, you know,

Justin: 00:25:41

yes.

Jem: 00:25:41

the, get the instructions made, get it into Shopify, do the pricing.

Jem: 00:25:46

But we're trying to do all of that stuff.

Jem: 00:25:49

Pre launch, which has really slowed down now.

Justin: 00:25:52

Yeah,

Jem: 00:25:53

Output time towing.

Jem: 00:25:55

I love dropping new stuff overnight and just go cool deal with it.

Jem: 00:25:59

We'll work it out.

Jem: 00:26:00

Let's just sell some things and see what happens.

Jem: 00:26:03

But I guess we built such a machine now in the business and in air

Jem: 00:26:08

table that we kind of have to be a bit more organized, but yeah, lots

Jem: 00:26:12

of new product, which is exciting.

Jem: 00:26:13

And a lot of it from staff , the staff royalty program is working really nicely.

Jem: 00:26:18

There's a great energy at the moment.

Jem: 00:26:20

And people have got some cool things coming through quite a couple of

Jem: 00:26:24

quite ambitious ideas, which is great.

Justin: 00:26:27

Yeah.

Justin: 00:26:27

Hmm, cool.

Justin: 00:26:29

That's exciting.

Justin: 00:26:30

Is that coffee table, a kitta parts system or is it just a separate thing?

Jem: 00:26:36

It's a separate thing.

Jem: 00:26:37

Just using the threading IP.

Jem: 00:26:39

We've kinda sort of been trying to sort of double down on being aware of.

Jem: 00:26:44

All the IP we're sitting on and all the time that we've spent developing

Jem: 00:26:49

that and trying to capitalize on it a bit more, expand it, you know,

Jem: 00:26:53

different ways we could use that.

Jem: 00:26:54

Yeah.

Jem: 00:26:55

Cause I, I have this thing, I'm aware that, you know, every man and his dog

Jem: 00:27:01

has got a three axis machine these days

Justin: 00:27:04

Yes.

Jem: 00:27:05

and, you know, friend or friend of mine who has, you know, almost

Jem: 00:27:09

no manufacturing experience has just bought, you know, big full-size

Jem: 00:27:13

three access to put in his shed.

Jem: 00:27:16

And so like it's becoming so common that I'm aware that we need to,

Jem: 00:27:21

you know, stay ahead in some sense.

Justin: 00:27:23

Yeah.

Justin: 00:27:24

I've thought about that

Jem: 00:27:25

and, and whether that's, you know, investing in a five-axis

Jem: 00:27:29

machine down the track or.

Jem: 00:27:32

What we're doing at the moment where we've built a custom machine that does

Jem: 00:27:35

a very specific thing, and then just sort of investing in that technology

Jem: 00:27:39

that we've made for ourselves.

Jem: 00:27:41

I don't know.

Jem: 00:27:41

What do you think about

Jem: 00:27:42

that whole thing,

Justin: 00:27:43

The more I've been around cam, especially fusion, when you talk about

Justin: 00:27:47

its progress and like adaptive, clearing kind of things, or if you've ever played

Justin: 00:27:51

with Steep and Shallow that my thought for the last year or so is the skills

Justin: 00:27:58

that we have created for ourselves in programming and running CNC machines

Justin: 00:28:04

are going to become nearly automatic.

Justin: 00:28:07

We already have these tools that do the quoting.

Justin: 00:28:10

So they only have to start applying the actual tool.

Justin: 00:28:13

Here's a tool, here's how it would access it.

Justin: 00:28:15

I think in the end, what we're going to end up is like machinists or Cam

Justin: 00:28:18

programmers will basically be like checking to make sure it all worked

Justin: 00:28:22

right before it goes out to the machine.

Justin: 00:28:24

Similar to what you're saying, it's like a CNC could very well turn

Justin: 00:28:26

into like a router can turn into basically what all laser cutter is.

Justin: 00:28:30

You know, there's a lot of nuance there.

Justin: 00:28:32

Yeah.

Justin: 00:28:33

But yeah, it's going to become less special, I think for sure.

Justin: 00:28:37

It already had in the time I've been doing it, it's become significantly less.

Justin: 00:28:41

The barrier to entry is lower.

Justin: 00:28:42

There's a new think it's U S made CNC router maker.

Justin: 00:28:46

That's selling theirs for like $8,000 for like the same size of machine that I have.

Justin: 00:28:49

And I'm like, what?

Justin: 00:28:51

How's that even possible?

Justin: 00:28:52

Like, yeah.

Justin: 00:28:54

I think it's the bearers lowering.

Jem: 00:28:57

Do you have a sense of how you'll combat that?

Justin: 00:29:03

No.

Justin: 00:29:04

I mean, my strategy to all of this, I had this idea of back in school, was that

Justin: 00:29:09

there was some level of sustainability for myself or business by having a

Justin: 00:29:14

scattershot approach of everything from education to consulting, you know, like

Justin: 00:29:20

a job shop stuff to product design.

Justin: 00:29:23

And that hopefully one of those at all times I could keep

Justin: 00:29:26

juggling to the right place.

Justin: 00:29:29

I definitely, in the last, let's say year, eight months, six months have felt

Justin: 00:29:33

like I've maybe pushed that too far.

Justin: 00:29:35

And I'm trying to like come back to what's the right thing to be working on instead

Justin: 00:29:40

of trying to juggle all these things at the same time, don't know if I'm doing

Justin: 00:29:43

a good job at it, but how about you?

Jem: 00:29:45

uh, Look, my solution to that question has always been the ahead

Jem: 00:29:49

in investment in machines, but I'm not a hundred percent anymore.

Jem: 00:29:55

That that's the right answer.

Jem: 00:29:56

I think Is a discovery process of building commissioning and running.

Jem: 00:30:02

The pencil sharpener has sort of led me down much more sort of nature route.

Jem: 00:30:07

And so rather than going goal, if we want to stay ahead, we need to

Jem: 00:30:10

invest 350 K in a five axis machine.

Justin: 00:30:14

Yeah.

Jem: 00:30:15

I mean, I'd still love to do that.

Jem: 00:30:16

That my thinking now is more like, we're sitting on so much sort of design IP,

Jem: 00:30:21

and there's so much power in building a custom machine, potentially also

Jem: 00:30:26

building low costs, single purpose machines that can make certain processes

Jem: 00:30:31

really efficient in order to support a product line that is unique, I think.

Jem: 00:30:38

Yeah, that that's kind of our approach at the moment and where my head's at.

Jem: 00:30:42

as with all these things, it's my thinking tends to be very

Jem: 00:30:46

fluid and changes week to week.

Jem: 00:30:48

But

Justin: 00:30:49

same.

Jem: 00:30:50

yeah.

Jem: 00:30:50

But I do love my robots.

Jem: 00:30:52

So, you know, any excuse.

Justin: 00:30:54

Yeah.

Justin: 00:30:55

I think last few of Saunders, his tours have pushed my thinking quite

Justin: 00:31:01

a bit beyond what I normally thought about in terms of like automation type

Justin: 00:31:05

things with I've seen any of those.

Justin: 00:31:08

I forget the names of them at the moment, but there's been a couple of good ones.

Justin: 00:31:11

The metal quest one was quite a while ago actually, but that was pretty shocking.

Justin: 00:31:16

Just the levels they go to, to do one sided setups of crazy tools

Justin: 00:31:20

that go in and backside chamfer backtrack machine from one setup.

Justin: 00:31:24

Those kinds of things, I used to live in Nebraska is where they're from.

Justin: 00:31:27

This is interesting to me see such high level of technology thinking and just

Justin: 00:31:33

progressiveness in that kind of machining level that allows them to compete

Justin: 00:31:38

with, like they were saying like Asia basically, and keep stuff here versus,

Justin: 00:31:42

I mean, I ran into that all the time.

Justin: 00:31:44

It's like, we're not competitive with Asia in any sense.

Jem: 00:31:47

Yeah.

Justin: 00:31:48

recently ask us for our quote for a set of parts that would be tough to

Justin: 00:31:52

make they're all 3d machines, small parts.

Justin: 00:31:55

They were getting the made 30 times cheaper than what we could possibly do it.

Justin: 00:31:58

And I was like, I don't know, man.

Justin: 00:32:00

We pay a good wage.

Justin: 00:32:01

I don't know.

Jem: 00:32:02

Yeah.

Jem: 00:32:02

Yeah, yeah, I mean the, and that example that you gave a metal quest is a good

Jem: 00:32:06

example of what, you know, how far you can push a simple machine to, like, you

Jem: 00:32:11

don't necessarily need the big, expensive machine to be innovative and be ahead,

Jem: 00:32:16

you can continue to push a simple machine harder and harder and get

Jem: 00:32:20

more and more squeeze out of it, I suppose, to stay competitive and ahead.

Jem: 00:32:25

So yeah, it doesn't have to mean investment.

Jem: 00:32:27

That can be internal investment, I suppose, in terms of your processes and

Jem: 00:32:31

thinking and innovating within that,

Justin: 00:32:33

yeah, for sure.

Jem: 00:32:34

that's something we've sort of chatted about for awhile as a business

Jem: 00:32:37

is where we're growing, but we're growing internally with the resources we have,

Justin: 00:32:44

Tell me more.

Jem: 00:32:45

You know, you've got a set of tools, you've got a space and

Jem: 00:32:49

we've got a team or very capable.

Jem: 00:32:52

We don't have to add more people.

Jem: 00:32:53

We don't have to add more machines.

Jem: 00:32:55

We're not going to build another shed.

Jem: 00:32:57

Let's grow within the resources that we have and maximize now output,

Jem: 00:33:02

I suppose, out of those tools and

Jem: 00:33:05

resources that we have.

Jem: 00:33:07

So we could grow quite a lot.

Jem: 00:33:08

Like we're aiming to sort of double our revenue over the next

Jem: 00:33:11

12 to 18 And that's none of that should involve more people or more

Jem: 00:33:17

equipment.

Jem: 00:33:18

Yeah.

Jem: 00:33:18

That's all just internal.

Jem: 00:33:20

You know, we might hit a point where like the Sprite base can't cope anymore.

Jem: 00:33:24

We need to upgrade it or we need another spray booth or like we might

Jem: 00:33:27

run into things like that along the way that we can't sort of plan for.

Jem: 00:33:31

That internal growth thing is something that we seems quite feasible.

Jem: 00:33:36

And we've been chasing that for a couple of years.

Justin: 00:33:39

Interesting.

Justin: 00:33:39

So do you have proof of it working already?

Jem: 00:33:41

Yeah,

Jem: 00:33:42

Yeah,

Jem: 00:33:43

Yeah,

Jem: 00:33:43

For shell.

Justin: 00:33:45

Very cool.

Jem: 00:33:47

And I think part of that is simplifying as well.

Jem: 00:33:51

Not trying to be everything to everyone, which is something I've always tried

Jem: 00:33:57

to be like, yeah, I've always been the yes, man of like, yeah, we'll try that.

Jem: 00:34:05

We'll help you.

Jem: 00:34:06

And that's how, that's how we've grown the business.

Jem: 00:34:08

And that's part of my identity.

Jem: 00:34:10

So it's been a hard thing to try and shift, but I can see the potential in.

Jem: 00:34:15

The more stuff we say no to, and start to shut down.

Jem: 00:34:18

The more opportunities I can see opening up in the areas that

Jem: 00:34:21

we actually want to working in.

Jem: 00:34:23

So

Justin: 00:34:24

Cool.

Jem: 00:34:25

it's tricky,

Jem: 00:34:26

but,

Justin: 00:34:26

I've felt like this for years and it's frustrating that we're always

Justin: 00:34:32

like right on the edge of growth, like that, that have more and more all the

Justin: 00:34:37

time, the equipment, the people, the resources to do those kinds of things.

Justin: 00:34:43

And then the only thing I can blame at this point is myself, honestly,

Justin: 00:34:46

for like why it hasn't happened.

Justin: 00:34:48

But it always feels right around the corner.

Justin: 00:34:50

Like there's so much more capacity.

Justin: 00:34:52

so much more capacity than what we're pushing through at the

Justin: 00:34:55

moment, like product, or like I was talking about before.

Justin: 00:34:58

So we have products that don't don't sell or aren't scaling.

Justin: 00:35:01

Like we want them to, and we can make a lot more of all of it.

Justin: 00:35:05

Right.

Justin: 00:35:06

And it's just not selling as if, as we'd like to.

Justin: 00:35:09

So that's still high on my list it's basically necessary for

Justin: 00:35:13

like the Nack wall to work.

Justin: 00:35:15

You gotta be able to start selling it in a way that isn't just me, hopefully

Justin: 00:35:19

posting on Instagram or Facebook marketing or something, you know?

Justin: 00:35:23

So that's a big, big effort of mine lately.

Jem: 00:35:29

yeah, it's tricky.

Jem: 00:35:29

Huh?

Jem: 00:35:30

I'll share a simple question that my business coach asked me the

Jem: 00:35:34

other day after I shared some of our business goals, you know, and he,

Jem: 00:35:39

his simple question to me was, you know, that's great, but how are you

Jem: 00:35:42

currently getting in the way of this?

Jem: 00:35:45

Yeah.

Jem: 00:35:45

Cause it comes down to us at the end of the day where the business owners, it's

Jem: 00:35:49

all our fault, it's all our problem.

Jem: 00:35:51

And we're the ones that get in the way whatever it is we're trying to do.

Jem: 00:35:56

I like that.

Jem: 00:35:57

How are you currently getting in the way of this result?

Jem: 00:35:59

I've got a paste it up and trying to sort of come back to that.

Jem: 00:36:02

Think about it.

Justin: 00:36:03

Yeah, no, I'm, I'm highly aware that that's probably largely great at

Justin: 00:36:09

starting things, but it's not always my forte to continue or to push them beyond

Justin: 00:36:15

maybe the beginning phase sometimes.

Justin: 00:36:17

And so, or I'll just get bored of stuff, honestly.

Justin: 00:36:20

yeah, so that, that's the part that I haven't figured out how to add

Justin: 00:36:24

somebody else to the mix or something that helps push that beyond it.

Justin: 00:36:27

I think that's, that's pretty critical for me.

Justin: 00:36:29

Anyway, if I had to guess

Justin: 00:36:31

you need a business coach

Jem: 00:36:32

yeah, yeah, no, I'm the same.

Jem: 00:36:34

Like I start everything and get excited about everything, but actually

Jem: 00:36:38

execute, executing and completing is the heartbeat official having

Jem: 00:36:43

feeling accountable to your team.

Jem: 00:36:45

I find a really valuable tool, like setting up any sort of little

Jem: 00:36:48

accountability loop within the business where you've told even, or external

Jem: 00:36:53

to the business of like having someone that you chat to about your intentions

Jem: 00:36:59

and I'm in leaving this like re listing or editing episodes of this.

Jem: 00:37:03

I hear what I've said and I'm like, that's right.

Justin: 00:37:06

I got to do

Jem: 00:37:06

I had made a statement, you know, I said something and then

Jem: 00:37:09

I, now I need to deliver on that.

Justin: 00:37:11

Yeah.

Jem: 00:37:11

I think, yeah, accountability is a big one for me to

Jem: 00:37:14

actually get anything done.

Jem: 00:37:15

Then I need to deadline and I need to feel accountable to someone else.

Jem: 00:37:19

And then I'll get it done

Jem: 00:37:20

if there's no deadline.

Jem: 00:37:21

I'm stuffed.

Justin: 00:37:22

the deadlines are killer for me.

Justin: 00:37:24

Cause it's like, but you know, you set your own deadline and then what it

Justin: 00:37:30

just comes and goes because somebody wanted a quote, you know, like, yeah,

Justin: 00:37:35

I haven't been doing well at that.

Justin: 00:37:36

I was gonna say, oh, speaking of accountability then I guess

Justin: 00:37:38

we'll just, we'll start now.

Justin: 00:37:40

How have you started changing your Kitta parts, sizes, dimensions?

Jem: 00:37:44

Nope.

Jem: 00:37:45

I have not

Justin: 00:37:45

What's the first thing you gotta do there?

Jem: 00:37:48

first steps.

Jem: 00:37:49

I like it.

Jem: 00:37:50

I'm asking the hard questions.

Justin: 00:37:55

I just cut it off before you can ask me about what mine.

Jem: 00:37:59

Yeah, I think I've gone the opposite direction.

Jem: 00:38:01

Even chatting to John yesterday about new products.

Jem: 00:38:04

He was saying he'd taken some offcuts or not ask guts some

Jem: 00:38:07

seconds, like a blemished kid apart stuff, home to make a little shelf.

Jem: 00:38:12

And he'd made kind of a half size, one of the normal, the normal regular set.

Jem: 00:38:16

And he was like, Jem I think we should offer like a half size set.

Jem: 00:38:19

Cause it'd be a better price point.

Jem: 00:38:20

And

Jem: 00:38:21

I thought, yeah,

Jem: 00:38:21

cool.

Jem: 00:38:21

Would be great idea.

Justin: 00:38:23

sure.

Jem: 00:38:23

Let's let's do that in the photo shoot tomorrow and like

Jem: 00:38:26

just put a house size together.

Jem: 00:38:27

And then that means there's now another kid of pots out in the world.

Jem: 00:38:30

If we bring that online,

Justin: 00:38:32

Yeah.

Jem: 00:38:32

make making excuses.

Justin: 00:38:34

Yeah.

Justin: 00:38:35

That's definitely the easier method to continue with the

Justin: 00:38:38

thing that's already doing.

Jem: 00:38:40

Yeah.

Jem: 00:38:40

I had a customer out during the week.

Jem: 00:38:42

Who's really keen.

Jem: 00:38:44

On a Kitta parts that can take vinyl records.

Jem: 00:38:48

And that's one of the key critical dimensions.

Jem: 00:38:51

The new system will include is the ability to store vinyl natively, which the current

Jem: 00:38:57

one can't but not high shelf spacing.

Jem: 00:39:01

So I think first step is to do a couple of custom orders for vinyl configurations

Jem: 00:39:09

and maybe collaborate with a customer.

Jem: 00:39:12

Who's got a really nice set up or nice like audio gear and say, we'll

Jem: 00:39:18

make you this beautiful thing, maybe at a discount or something in exchange

Jem: 00:39:22

for a photo shoot at the other end.

Jem: 00:39:24

So we can get a shot of it with your, you know, a beautiful 10

Jem: 00:39:27

tables and amplifier and all the stuff that's really hard to do.

Justin: 00:39:31

It's a good, a

Jem: 00:39:32

When you don't have any of that stuff.

Justin: 00:39:33

That's been one of the hardest things I've been trying to work through

Justin: 00:39:36

with Nashville is like literally got to attach it to a wall, to take photos of it.

Justin: 00:39:40

And most people don't want holes in their wall after the fact.

Justin: 00:39:43

So I thought, okay, I'll give it to them, but then they want it.

Justin: 00:39:46

I don't know.

Justin: 00:39:47

I don't have any friends that like this works out with.

Justin: 00:39:49

So that's a good idea.

Jem: 00:39:51

yeah,

Justin: 00:39:51

Hmm.

Justin: 00:39:52

Now so when you're changing this, is it a programming thing?

Justin: 00:39:56

Cause I, I would imagine your design capability.

Justin: 00:39:59

This is a fast change, but it's more of a decision-making and then execution

Justin: 00:40:04

of changing the production files,

Jem: 00:40:06

To be honest, the production side of things would be so quick.

Jem: 00:40:09

Cause I haven't.

Jem: 00:40:10

Yup.

Jem: 00:40:11

Shopify updating all the digital assets I think would be the slowest.

Justin: 00:40:16

Air power, man.

Jem: 00:40:18

Oh, yeah, pat was there, but you still got to populate it all.

Justin: 00:40:21

Yeah

Jem: 00:40:21

that excuses, the biggest hurdle for me is just making that

Jem: 00:40:25

decision on the new dimensions and

Jem: 00:40:27

committing to it.

Justin: 00:40:28

yeah

Jem: 00:40:28

so if I start with a couple of custom jobs, that'll help me move me along.

Justin: 00:40:32

yeah.

Jem: 00:40:33

Cause I feel more accountable to my customers than I do to my own deadlines.

Jem: 00:40:38

And so things will happen.

Justin: 00:40:41

That's true.

Justin: 00:40:42

Huh.

Justin: 00:40:43

Cool.

Justin: 00:40:43

Yeah.

Justin: 00:40:43

I mean, even if you're just I think we talked about this, there's a company here.

Justin: 00:40:47

They came up with this phrase that I had an email it's called a render

Justin: 00:40:50

type and they just make renderings and then throw them out there

Jem: 00:40:53

Uh, what

Justin: 00:40:54

render.

Justin: 00:40:55

type.

Justin: 00:40:56

R E N D E R T Y P

Justin: 00:40:58

E.

Justin: 00:40:58

So that's the idea that like you just make a rendering and not the real thing,

Jem: 00:41:02

Oh like PR PR

Justin: 00:41:04

See if it's at, see if it's interesting.

Justin: 00:41:07

It gets enough reaction instead of investing more time into it.

Justin: 00:41:11

If it gets no reaction or you can do pre-orders theoretically, but you could

Justin: 00:41:16

maybe like you're saying, make your digital version, throw it out there.

Justin: 00:41:20

See if you get new takes.

Jem: 00:41:21

I've done this.

Justin: 00:41:22

Yeah.

Justin: 00:41:23

I'm

Jem: 00:41:23

done.

Jem: 00:41:24

The challenge with that is capturing that, you know, did this exact thing

Jem: 00:41:28

with the vinyl specific killer parts last year, it was one of the most

Jem: 00:41:33

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