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[Roving Episode] Hop Poles and Wild Garlic: A Hampshire Hangers Walk
22nd May 2023 • Dear Gardener • Ben Dark
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On this episode of Dear Gardener, Ben Dark takes us on a journey through the wooded Hampshire Hangers, discussing plants and history along the way. Passing cowslips, wild garlic, incongruous copper beech, and wildly inappropriate bamboo, Ben shares his love-hate relationship with these plants and how they fit in the changing English countryside. Our host also delves into the writing of William Cobbet and his critical commentary on the landscape while relating his own experiences with managing meadows and creating a space for both people and wildlife. Tune in to learn more about the beauty and challenges of gardening.

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Episode breakdown:

[00:00:06] Podcast discusses the potential reason behind gardeners' dislike of the colour orange, possibly due to its association with plant blight.

[00:05:42] The English countryside is going through significant change as ash trees are being lost, allowing new plants and vistas to emerge. This is similar to the aftermath of the great storm of 87, which led to a boom in gardening as people were freed up to create something new.

[00:09:50] William Cobbet as inspiration for J. C. Louden. Weather and its importance to nature writers

[00:11:19] Forest floor covered in wild garlic due to deer agitating it in the dawn

[00:14:49] Trees grow conjoined with roots exposed.

[00:18:13] Dan Pearson's newsletter Dig Delve and artisanal tulip bulbs

[00:21:24] Eric Newby's wife and her drunken suitors.

[00:26:05] Description of a house with symmetrical plantings including a native white beam tree and a fantastically shaggy bamboo.

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Hello and welcome to another episode of Dear Gardener.

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You join me in the woods again today,

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this time in the Hampshire hangars.

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Was reading House and Garden magazine yesterday,

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I think it was their latest one, and they have a special

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from Badminton House,

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that great grand garden, and it was all about the tulips

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there. But some of the things they were showing were the

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little box hedges around the south

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terrace, very formally clipped with white tulips in the middle,

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and they look beautiful until in the corner

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of the picture you see the tiniest, tiniest hint of

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blight and it's this orange color. And suddenly, for me at least,

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the whole scene is ruined. I was wondering to myself

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whether that could be some sort of reason behind

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the well to do gardeners, the smart gardeners notorious

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dislike of the color orange. It subconsciously reminds

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them of boxplight, of death, of the expense of

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ripping up a new hedge and having to think about things like youonymous.

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Up here I can see good trunks

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with a nice bit of fluting on them,

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something you'd find on a very, very, very well done

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Gothic pillar. And look at that. I'm seeing before me

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a stand of you going high, high up into the air and sending

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off great big sideways branches into the sloping forest

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below. Were you to come here and see that

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as an alien landed on Earth for the first time and told,

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choose some plants for a stately garden,

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choose some plants for the Chelsea Flower show, you wouldn't pick this.

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You would think, I'll keep that thing well away from my little

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fussy designs. Here's the view I wanted to show before I got distracted

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by that new plant and the dangers of orange

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at Badminton House. House and Gardens magazine

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is great, by the way. It contains all sorts of fantastically

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unrelatable lines, like, the boot room

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really is the engine of the country house. Boot rooms

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have a particularly important status in

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British cultural life and snobbery. It's kind of

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a justification for being in the countryside. You can say, I've got a

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boot room. It means that I'm here for dogs and children

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and rambunctious fun. I am a true enjoyer

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of the countryside and a part of it because it is on me and on

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my boots. So you probably hear more talk

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in the smart set in the country about boot rooms than any other

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room. Interesting, isn't it? I suppose it's an equivalent of hanging

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your awards in the downstairs loo. It's a way of boasting about

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incredible wealth while still talking

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about the quotidian and the mundane. I've come

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out now to the most fantastic view on shoulder of Mutton Hill.

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Here we see off the side of the hangars,

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down to some grand houses.

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There's a copper beach planted slap in the

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middle of the landscape. It's a fantastic piece of showmanship

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planting. It says, I know this is

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the premier view spot, probably for

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100 miles in every direction, the most beautiful and celebrated

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view. And I shall put a vast copper beach,

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perfectly, perfectly central in the middle of it

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for everyone and all to see. Copper beach I have a funny

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relationship with absolutely loathe it.

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When planted in a hedge, it seems to suck the light

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out of a roadscape and turn it into something

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rather dark and tedious, same as planting the dark

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leaf cherries in towns. But then when you see it somewhere

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completely artificial and grown to a huge height, like in

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an arboretum, then you see its value

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as something to jerk the viewer out of their out

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of their apathy and their oh, there's another oak, there's another beach.

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Some things very unlike oak and beach here just come out onto

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this little bit of very

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steeply sloping, but obviously quite sharply drained hillside.

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And there are so many little cow slips and

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a juga reapens the sorry reptins,

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the common little creeping bugle, carpet bugle,

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making quite a nice show together. It's old

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hack, isn't it? Doing purple and yellow,

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but it does work. Then there's vast amounts of little

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roses, little roses growing in the soil,

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little wild rose. None of them have got particularly big, so this must get

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heavily grazed by rabbits. I'd get come

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out here, hop out from these brambly sidings that surround

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me and take those roses off later on.

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Going to carry on striding up there. It's a big,

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big dead ash up there. We are in a

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period of intense change in the English

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countryside. In some ways it's very, very exciting because we are going to

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lose these ash trees that have been so important in

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the landscape for so long. And now

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we find ourselves at the bit where everyone else,

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all of these things here, all of this maple clematis,

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u, white beam sticking out of the side of the woodlands,

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is going to rush to fill their place.

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There will be battles fought over the ash groves

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and also we will see views that have

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been hidden for decades. Whole hillsides

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to my left falling away, giving vistas

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unknown that will soon be swallowed up. It's a bit like after

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the great storm of 87,

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when there was something of a boom

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in great gardens and gardening, because those

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stayed plants, those things that people had relied

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on, the oak that framed the view,

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they were all demolished literally overnight.

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And people were able to think again, people didn't

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want have to worry about, well, I inherited this garden

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and this boot room from Great Uncle

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Toby, and he inherited it from his Great uncle

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Toby and so on and so on and so on, until everyone was called

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James and they stole the land from us.

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And anyway, now they were freed up to go

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and do something new, do something fresh in

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their gardens. Maybe ash would do something like that. I found

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it particularly pity because it's such a good shape

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in winter, it branches nicely and it leads to

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exciting silhouettes. And now it's

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gone. Very good time, though, to be a saprophytic

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beetle, a beetle who likes to get in

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there and eat some rotting wood.

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Be a good few decades for mushroom

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hunters as well. There's another little woodlander

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here. Up here. This is Euphorbia little wood

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Spudge. Euphorbia amagadilloides, I believe.

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One of those things where they think, why did you put a GD

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next to each other in your binomial?

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What was that for? To trip up us gardening

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podcasters. Euphorbia Amagaloidis I

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think that's right. Anyway, now up higher into the woodlands

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and the first beach just

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climbed to the top of shoulder of Mutton Hill. Now it's

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some climb walking along Cobbt's way to to

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Cobbt's View, which is perhaps

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the most famous view in these part of the hangars. I don't think we're

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going to go and see it. It's the one where William Cobbt, in that

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Rural Rides passage, looks out over Hawkly and

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is moved by the splendor of it all. I read

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quite a lot of Cobbt start of this year. He's a really

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strong influence, I think, on J. C.

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Loudon. J. C. Loudon famous gardening

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publisher and gardener himself later on, who imitated

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Cobbt in being a very,

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very aggressive, self promoting pamphleteer.

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They were both almost self publishers and they both went out

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and did this Rural Rides reporting, where they

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would take to horseback, sometimes coach and

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tour the countryside. Loudon visiting Great Gardens,

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where he was incredibly keen on

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giving out paternalistic advice to young gardeners.

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If he found someone sober, upright and well shaved,

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he would give him an improving volume of something or

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other. And for all that,

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for all of his concern with aesthetics, you don't really

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get much critical commentary on

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the gardens he goes through, whereas Cobbt will comment amongst

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all of the disparaging remarks about the roughness

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of the local dress, about the state

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of the poor people generally caused by their landlords.

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In Cobbt's case, he will talk about the

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subliminity of nature, and particularly in the passage

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where he overlooks Hawkly. We are

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constantly teasing ourselves for always starting

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any conversation with the weather, but you realize from

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reading these things that of course you did, that of course you did.

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You didn't know to pack your great coat or to pack your silky

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little stockings, which I'm sure Cobbt wore, unless you talk to

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local farmers who would tell you, or you think they'll go

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from in from there and invariably be wrong and mislead you.

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And you'd get it to your coaching in late at night,

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soak through and take to bed. This is muddy country, as Cobbitt

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would tell you. There's lots of pockets of clay,

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not like the South Downs below.

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I'm going to stumble off down this path down here,

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vast banks of wild garlic. I came up here early this

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morning. I was in the hills by 07:00, a bit

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before and you couldn't really smell anything. But the day is

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warming up out there. And now there is the most fantastic garlicky

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smell. All of the deer who've been trotting around here, I've been seeing little deer

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paths. All of those deer have been agitating it

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in the night, releasing some compounds, is passing a view

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that would not have been here five years ago, wouldn't have been here two years

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ago. A view out to a little farmhouse through the

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dead stems of ash trees, the forest

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floor below completely covered in wild

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garlic, which might well be the result of that

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divock anyway. My gardening this week has

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been of the lawn type. I've been mowing

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the meadow and I have been

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attempting to make a usable space again.

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I love meadows, but I do think gardens are people

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places as well as wildlife places,

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and there needs to be paths through them. And also seating

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areas. And around those seating areas, little circles,

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little crop circles where a child can

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play.

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Lots of yellow rattle. The Rhinanthus

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minor, it's hemi parasitic, as opposed to

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holoparasitic hemiparasitic, meaning that it can survive without

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parasitizing other plants for their nutrients. But it

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really prefers to and it sends

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out this wonderful organ,

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this root organ, into the surrounding plants

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to suck away their nutrient and thus reduces their vigor.

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It's not an obligate parasite of grass. In fact, I don't think it even

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favors grass. It likes to take

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from as many host species as possible,

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so maybe it'll take some carbohydrate vigor from

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a really good bit of grass. But then you've also got

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the leguminous plants, the clovers,

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the nitrogen fixers that it can

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wrinkle into as well. And then you get nitrogen,

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which isn't freely available in the soil. And it's

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been shown that some plants, I think they can be sucking

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from at least seven different species at once.

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That's quite a varied diet. I think doctors would approve of that.

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They don't go for annuals. What's the point? There isn't the density of nutrients

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in an annual's root. Why would an annual be storing nutrients in its root?

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It's not coming back again. It's all about that one summer. So they

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go for perennial plants and they just weaken the whole

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perennial patch that they're in, allowing more chance

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for things to come in more wind blown

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annuals or rarer small seeded things like

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the orchids passing the most amazing conjoined

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beech trees here. Their roots really are meshed.

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We're in a sunken lane and the soil has

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shifted over time, shifted from these

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plants. Soil shift is actually quite a

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common phenomenon. Hills this steep, it tends to move

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away from plants and leave them with their roots exposed. But here

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you can see that trees, probably 15ft

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apart, are completely conjoined. The roots

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are here, about six

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foot away from the ground. It's a very impressive

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effect. Were you a sort of Toby? Toby descendant

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of James and James? You could plant

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for this plant on a sandy mound and just

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make her a praviso in your will.

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That along with taking all of his eldest sister's

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land, your son has to wash away a little bit of the roots.

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And each year if everyone does the same thing, then eventually you'd have

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great big Tripid trees standing on

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elevated stumps. Be quite an amusing effect.

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You probably do something like that. Well, you probably could have done something like

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that for the Chelsea flower shape. Show the roots off on a

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tree, go and go and jet wash it all out. You only have to keep

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it alive for a week. But you're not allowed to kill things at Chelsea

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anymore. It all has to be completely reused

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and carted off onto another worthy

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site.

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Anyway, I hope you're enjoying these

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solo podcasts and Out On the Road podcasts.

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I did and do mean to create

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more of those mashup episodes. It's just that everyone's so mean about

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them. All my reviews starting off saying,

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I'm sorry, Ben, but one star, I don't

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know why. I think they're fantastic. I think they're a new direction in audio

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and one day they will be heralded as such. Just out now,

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popped from the path onto a tiny bit of road. I'm only going to be

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on a second and it's amazing. Suddenly you see, AHA, someone must

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live here. There's horse chestnuts about, there's ornamental planting.

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There's even an orchard. There's an orchard through this hedge.

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Little apple tree orchard looking rather pleasant.

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Quite a lot of tip bearing species in there, just doing the last

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of their flowering. Very gorgeous to see. This is quite

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a traditional hop growing area.

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Sadly no longer, but it used to be lots of hops

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and oath houses around here. So you get those exciting

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pointy buildings and there are relics

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of it in the landscape. You see the shelter belts

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of poplars planted, aging out

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now and falling apart as, as poplars do. But they were planted

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there to stop the wind from pulling

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at the hop poles and bashing them around.

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Hop itself doesn't matter. Hop hop doesn't mind being knocked on

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the floor and starting growing again. But if you've constructed

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a wonderful hop yard and it all gets knocked down by a summer

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school or autumn school, then you get a bit upset. So you plant your poplars

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and you protect your fields. You do still see

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it occasionally growing in the hedges

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around here. Lots and lots of hazel, lots of hazel

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for the poles. Lots of coppice hazel now grown out and

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unmanaged. Those woodlands that I was in earlier are

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pretty unproductive, apart from taking poles

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from so probably taking poles of you and poles of

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hazel and other understory trees

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that are allowed to be managed. This is hop just walking

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past. Some hop now, growing vigorously

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through some elder and a young hazel. So there is the relic,

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there is a relic of ancient industry still remaining

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here. Someone could come and do an artisan

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hop field here. I think that would go down very well in our

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world of artisanal stuff.

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I was listening to what I was reading, actually a

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very good newsletter by Dan Pearson,

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brilliant designer, and he writes

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a newsletter called Dig Delve, which is less about less

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about design, more about plants. And in it this week,

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he was calling attention to the damage

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done by Dutch factory horticulture

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to Tulips. They're all treated with

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sulfides and chemicals and insecticides and fungicides

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and then sent out. And he made the reasonable point that

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those of us who like to take the organic choice

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don't make a second glance at an organic bulb. I hadn't really

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even thought they existed, but of course they do. And he's been buying them for

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about twice the price. It must be said as normal.

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Bobs and I think I ought to do the same thing. But anyway,

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the reason I started talking about that artisanal nature

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of the things I'm sorry, I'm being a bit truncated here because I'm shuffling over

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a bog. There's an incredibly wet bit. This bit has

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had a lot of clay soot washed into it and

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we are boggy. Anyway, that's a diversion from a diversion.

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The artisanal thing. There was an advert, It's farmer

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Gracie, who sponsored a lot of gardening podcasts. And when I was listening

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to, there was a host reading and saying, bulbs lovingly

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produced from the heart of the tulip growing area of Holland.

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And you think, well, all it needs is someone to stop for a second and

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say, like, I don't want bulbs from the heart of the Tulip area growing in

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Holland. Tulip area in Holland is horrible. It's completely polluted

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by vast amount of aggro chemicals from the heart of

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the Tulip area in Holland means from a field amongst a

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thousand field all drenched in tractor

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spray residue. I'm just as susceptible as everyone else.

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We don't think that as soon as we hear a geographic specificator

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on the product, we think, oh,

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gosh, lovely. It must have been produced by a lovely

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young yokel. Or even better, an old yokel. An old

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yokel with all the power of tradition in his

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horny hands. As reading last

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night, Eric Newby. I don't think we ever read Eric Newby anymore.

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The travel writer, and he's married to an Italian.

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I was reading his Journey Around the Mediterranean, the great bit about his

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Italian wife. They still go back to the agricultural festival

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every year and his wife does

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a couple of days work in a local hotel. Still, just tradition to

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help out. And every year, inevitably, some widowed

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farmer in his 50s proposes marriage

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to a wife after drinking 14 glasses of

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cheap, locally made wine. But I guess that doesn't happen anymore.

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I guess that widowed farmers in their 50s

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in the north of Tuscany just go on to

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go on to the apps like everyone else. Start specifying

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required hip ratios.

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Chestnut trees. Peering in the landscape again.

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Human dwelling. Be close.

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This has felt the hand of man, I should say.

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There is now a oh, yes. And look, a vast copper beach.

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A vast copper beach peeking over the hedger over there. I should say

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that this podcast now has a video component.

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I have a little camera with me recording as

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I wander. So if you want to see some of

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the things that I've been talking about as I say them, you can do

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that. You can go to YouTube. Probably to dear

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Gardener TV. That's why I'm planning to put it. But don't know

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if that's available or not. It will be there. If not,

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then it'll be somewhere linked below this episode.

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Just to see a very gentle video of

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the things that I've been walking past. A few other

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bits of podcast homework, I'm afraid.

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We really need to get rid of those one star. I'm sorry, Ben, but not

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for me reviews. So if anyone wants to leave a review,

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your reviews would be really greatly

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appreciated. And as always, the podcast

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can be supported at COFI. That's K-O-F-I

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combendark that

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address does exist and will help

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me to pay for hosting and other things like that.

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Plus a really nice patch of lammium there.

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Really gorgeous. What a woodland wonder.

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Another member of the Mint family. Like that juga

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reptins we were seeing way back at the beginning.

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This is cultivated back into the comfortable world of gardening.

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Nice fox club. Very, very subtly done. It's a gorgeous,

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gorgeous part of this world. This part of the world,

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rather. I wish that I could spend more

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time here. It's the hills and the gullies

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living in Copenhagen. Beautiful though it

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is, it has not that variation

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in topography anyway. Is it beautiful? It is.

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The people are beautiful, culture is beautiful. Here we go.

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Look at that. The weird otherworldly influence

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of the vast copper beach showing that there

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is a stately manor around somewhere.

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Someone with an ambition for

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an arboretum. Yes. Other than that,

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obviously. Go and buy the book and

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see my thoughts in written down form and

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get out and enjoy the countryside around you. See what

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you can find. It really is quite

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fun to do those little bits of detective work.

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You don't have to just do it on the city street, as I did in

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the book. You can do it in the countryside and try and find try and

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find the relics and the future direction. Because we

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can't step in the same stream twice,

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as they always say. We can't walk the same walk twice. This will

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change seasonally, but also as the

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climate changes, as the fungal diseases take things

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out. Oh, look, here we shift from wild

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garlic to cow parsley. The froth,

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the light and airy cow parsley gone.

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Gone from the dark into the light. Oh, my goodness.

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Just passing a grand entry to a house.

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And it's got symmetrical plantings on either side of a gate

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and a drive running between Cobb Beach. And one

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of the plantings is a very nice native sorbet white

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beam, as we found in the U forest. And the other one is the most

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grand and hairy old trolls.

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Mop of bamboo. A clump former,

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but gone completely wild, gone out of control.

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Someone's old Uncle Toby, maybe two Toby's

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ago, didn't follow the rules,

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didn't plant plant the washing out trees that we were going

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to take to Chelsea and planted a little bit of bamboo by their driveway

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instead. And now look what's happened. It's a very nice bench here.

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Takes me back to what I was saying about importance of seating in

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the meadow. How lovely to sit on that bench,

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put on an episode of Dear Gardener,

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let the world drift on by, with which I

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will drift back on by. I'm going to come up this hill.

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The pub at the top won't be open yet, but I will sit

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around. Maybe maybe I'll wait for opening. Is this

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a day's work? Is this a morning's work? I think so.

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Go and have a pint. Thank you very, very much for listening. And I'll

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be back again next week with with another episode

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