Jean Trindade Pereira | Game Localization, Linguistics, Podcasting

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so it's been a really long time since you and I have like actually done a podcast together um like a couple of years two three years now when

ur years four years it was in: 2020

start with kind of like letting this audience know who you are and what you do so

uhen I can't [ __ ] speak that's okay that's okay um my name

is I am a video game translator uh since

2015 so nine years now um you last interviewed me back in

2020 uh I had a different microphone a different setup

um uh I still do what I do I love Boomer Shooters in

general uh I am 27 years old I'm going to turn 28 next

month uh September 23rd and um

I'm a very reserved person I like playing video games and that's what I do I like I like localizing them uh into

Brazilian Portuguese um some some good projects under my belt I I rather work uh with a

team instead of by myself I have translated some games by myself but I mostly enjoy working with the team

because I can learn uh from them and they can learn from me uh we can finish

a project faster uh the quality is higher than than just me working by myself so I just like working with

people and and helping them out and and getting help as well very grateful for everyone that has helped me uh helped me

get to where I am today so before we jump into the whole you know language side of this whole

thing uh you're talking about like you prefer working with a team over working by yourself I I have such a complicated

relationship with that exactly that thing like on one hand I really I hate

by being by myself like if I'm alone at home I'm probably on the phone with somebody or something or talking to

somebody or talking to the dog out loud or whatever like I can't stand to be by

myself yeah I also typically kind of suck as a team

member because I get very frustrated when I I will I will want things to be

as efficient as possible in my mind it's like so stubborn it's so annoying but I'm just like it's it's my way or the

highway I'm the leader here we're doing it this way and if everybody can agree on that I'm good but if if if it's like

oh no you just need to like kind of back off and be part of a team that was always really difficult for me until I

joined the military which taught me sometimes your import your opinion is not important sometimes even if there is

a better way to do it everyone else is not going to conform to that or understand it and it it's more efficient

to just continue with the plan we had than it is to explain it to everybody and Train everybody to

it's the new way yeah um so I totally get that man working with a team of

linguists or a team of translators uh do do you typically like say say it's like a a larger game like

an RPG or something like that do you like divide it off into like you're going to do this section and you're going to do this section or do you maybe

like have one person do it all so that it's all in one voice and then have her everybody else check them or I've never

done it before so CU is so you know for for large projects

like this um I've never been like a leader of such a high-profile game uh

that requires a big team but I can say from experience that uh usually you work um with a a translation agency that

we called a language service provider and then they they they basically build

a team of translators and um editors which are basically

oh my Mom is calling me right now just a sec

mama okay she just told me that the cake is is is done but you know I can't go eat the cake right now the cake is

alive that's your mother talking yeah but I told her hey you know I'm gonna be in a podcast episode today so you know

no that's so sweet um that's really sweet for to making you a cake dude you just celebrated

birthday or I'm I'm gonna turn 28 next month in September right okay so this is

not your birthday cake this is just cake for the sake of cake yeah just a regular cake just a yeah yeah man was same yeah

yeah I was just back on as you were saying we were talking about uh working with a large team versus not yeah so

yeah for for uh for a big project like this uh usually they build a team of translators

and editors uh the editors are the ones that revise the text so they try to look for mistakes and try to improve the the

translation they give you feedback and stuff like that um I think the biggest team that I've ever worked on was like

almost 10 people and that's a very big team for for a localization project so

they they they separate like oh you're going to get like 50,000 words to

translate you going to get 40,000 you get 70,000 and whatever and the way and

the reason that they divide uh the translation like this is because it's based on how available you

are because you might have other projects uh undergoing so you cannot

have lot oh we have 500,000 words we have 10 translators so 50,000 per each

no that does that's not how it works most of the time it's based on how available people are um so there's that

um usually the project managers are the one that choose you know how you know

how they ask you know how many words can you take you know how available are you and stuff like that they try to work

with you and then they say oh you know I'm just going to give you this part of the project and we use uh softwares to

uh manage the the translation projects you know like cat tools computer assisted translation tools right uh

sometimes it's a to yeah uh sometimes uh it's a tool an online tool that you have

to create an account and log in and you don't have to install it anything it's through your web browser sometimes you

have to uh it's a piece of software so you have to download and install and you have to connect to a server or no server

at all they might send you all the files through uh an email and stuff like that you know it depends on the company that

you're working for uh they have their own way of organizing such projects but

yeah that's that's how they are organized like it depends on how available you are um some companies

might ask you if you are if you are specialized in the genre

of the game for example a big RPG or an FPS game or a farm game um or an RTS or

you know a tactical game or a simulator you know there's a lot lot of different

genres genres available so it's you know I have I have a few favorites you know I

usually understand almost every genre but not all of them not like um very

good in all of them but like for example FPS and RPGs are my favorites so I have

a lot of uh I know a lot of the vocabulary that goes uh in those games

uh the terminology uh I play them almost every day you know mostly first person

shooters not just Boomer Shooters but first person shooters in general as well I was just playing triping 2o today

right um because of the new updates and DLC that that came out recently

so yeah that's how that's how it usually goes so in my experience because I was working in production and marketing uh

in in the games industry for years now I I have always I I will say I was always

disappointed with how generally companies handle

localization uh yeah and of course there's a there's monetary reasons for why it is the way it is like you know like you're you're not going to do every

language you're going to do the ones that you're actually going to see a profit in you know it's worth the investment to have translated yeah uh

but I I always just I when I first met you I never even thought for a second about who does the Brazilian Portuguese

translation of a game like it doesn't you and as you were explaining to me like sometimes it just doesn't happen

and then there's like you know how many billion people few hundred million at least in uh around 200 million people I

think a bit more than 200 million people yeah and then so imagine this I think

I've probably mentioned to these you we're you and I are probably going to like touch on topics that you and I have

discussed many times over because it every single time we talk like which is pretty often like once or twice a week

at least I'm always like God we should have [ __ ] recorded that that was like amazing yeah yeah I totally get that but

so I really don't like that a lot of languages don't get sered or like countries or you know group nations of

people don't actually ever have the chance to like play a game at all or in their own language just because the

Western World dismisses them as not important so like there's not a lot of

games on Steam that are translated into Hindi for example and I'm like dude there's like a quarter of the world's

population lives in India and then people will tell me I would I would be tell I explaining this to like corporate

people i' be like hey dude we should be moving into that market we should be really talking about like you know how

can we serve that audience and then I would be met with well if you go on Steam and you look up the stats there's

not a lot of sales in India so why would we translate it into Indian and I'm like

because the reason they're not buying [ __ ] is because we're not providing them with a product they can enjoy yeah and

then they'll say like well you know it's a generally it's a poorer country they don't really have computers i'm like [ __ ] have you ever looked up computer

tutorial on YouTube ever yeah they are the most knowledgeable in the area it's

I'm just I'm not saying anything it's it's not it's just about a stereotype I'm just like don't tell me that people in India don't have

computers computer way better than I I can definitely prove to you that they do have you ever called IC support um and I

think that's amazing and I just think that it's a shame that this entire culture is not being served by the games industry it's not just them but that's

just a greater example of like there's a lot of people that speak this language that are not being served yeah it's insane um Brazilian is

one of them of course but generally speaking you have like the big few which is like Spanish you know uh German

Russian is always part of the package yeah uh simplified Chinese Japanese in

many time many cases uh and you know of and the default is always going to be

generally English even game developers who are not native English speakers if

they want to make money make their game in English um and I've I've seen some horrendous examples of like a guy and a

guy from Italy who's making a game and then I'm like playing it and I'm like what the [ __ ] is going on with this menu

like what does this mean what are they trying to say and then someone like oh you know we haven't uh we haven't had an

editor go over the English because the you know director of the game who did all the text is Italian I'm like well

that's fine I mean of course but it's definitely smarter to be in English you just have a better chance of reaching a

larger Audience by default oh yeah um but so what are what are just

examples of some like great games that a lot of people would know that just didn't go into Brazilian Portuguese if

you if you can think of off the top of your head it's actually hard to think about one because uh usually nowadays uh

most games at least the ones that are very popular um are in Brazilian Portuguese they get localized if not at

release at least in some point and by the way I was recording with 100% volume

so my voice is going to be kind of [ __ ] it's okay that's why we have Alex as a backround oh okay okay thank you

Alex yeah um I always forgot to check my um check my mic volume but anyway so Mo

most of the time games nowadays come out in Brazilian Portuguese and when they don't U doesn't matter if it's an indie

game or a AAA game someone will ask about that a Brazilian will be like oh

where's Portuguese language or something like that not in perfect in perfect English because you know that's not

their native language so it's understandable but yeah um I would say

that yeah traing 2 is one of the games that uh unfortunately it's is not

available in Brazilian Portuguese I mean if you go to the steam page it is translated but the game itself is not

it's available in a lot of languages but not Brazilian Portuguese and I think that's a game that they they could go

that way if they want to if they because they have the budget now I mean the game has been you know a huge success it's

around a year old at this point got a lot of updates and dlc's and um I think it would be nice if

they could consider doing that someday what I did found what I did find is that uh there is one fan translation for the

game I haven't checked it out myself to see if it's any good but it is available

you know fans are going to localize your game whether you like it or not I mean there are even uh visual novels out

there that you know are only available officially in Japanese or any other uh

language but not English or any other language and so the fans go out of their

way to localize that uh and and I had to rely on a few fan translations of these

of these visual novels otherwise I wouldn't be able to play them so I'm I'm actually very thankful uh that that's

the case but yeah uh you were talking about monetary reasons right uh I I

understand that uh as much as I want all the all games to be available in my

language I know that sometimes it's not uh a good reason to do so because of budget

reasons um it might let's just say I had a game like a boomer shooter that has 5,000 words all right you know what

would be like a a typical price point in your mind for like what does that cost to translate into ORS well I can see how

much I uh how much I charge uh usually uh I don't know how uh how much agencies

charge obviously they have to charge more because they have their own um their own costs and they have to pay

their employee their employees and stuff and and taxes and everything so it costs way more but to me it's usually I I I

charge seven or eight cents of a US dollar per

word and if and yeah you you would have to do the math there but um so uh and

and and usually that's for translation uh sometimes I do the the review as well for that price it depend

I also try to see if if it's a if it's a first game that they're developing if they're

they're they're getting their foot in the industry and stuff like that uh sometimes I I charge lower than that but

not always I I I just look at the the size of the of the games uh uh company

and stuff to see if what I'm charging is is good for them and for me if if it's fair I don't like charging way too low

or way too high I try to I try to uh find a balance there so I don't have a

fixed uh rate to charge people that's that's just that's just how I do it you

know if you ask another bra another um translator they'll have their own

standards and so you know I'm very very flexible when it comes to that but yeah usually seven or eight yeah the idea of

measuring it by the word is a little it's it's interesting that a lot of people you have to have some Metric for

what you're charge it for but I mean I could see a lot of scenarios especially in English for it's like I mean how many

times do you really need to translate the word the or to or a you know like this it's generally speaking going to be

pretty straightforward so it's trans you're not trading translating 5,000 different words you might even be

translating the same sentence over and over yeah um so you're really not doing that although you do have to have some

Metric but for anybody who's uh not quick with with the calculators to that's like $350 for 5,000 wors yeah

which is [ __ ] steal like I would do that right now easy U but then you have

like a lot of agencies will have you know oh we're gonna we're a full service agency we can translated into everything

that you request yeah oftentimes when I would be negotiating with them I would be like can you do Hindi and they're

like whoa never thought about that I'm like why not I don't know we just never

never no one's ever asked or like we've never had a someone request it we don't have anybody in our agency who even can

do that I'm like oh that's interesting you're missing out on money yeah but so for you um so you

specifically only do of course Brazilian Portuguese yes is you're not like working for an agency that does

everything um I I I don't even know how that I would like to actually have somebody on at some point who does you

know do like full service all languages just to see how do they coordinate it I've always thought it would be really cool for company like if you own a games

company that has a sufficient enough income like why not just have like the best individual linguists on retainer

for the for every language maybe not on retainer like you're paying them all the

time but I mean like that's my guy that's what I go to for this language instead of going to an agency that's

like gonna do basically a half usually a half ass job of a bunch of different languages and it's easy to it's easy to

sell someone a bad translation because they don't know what the [ __ ] they're buying they're not going to know until they hear feedback yeah and they're not

really going to care about the feedback as long as the game sells yeah a lot of that a lot of

tangents there um sorry no it's okay yeah uh when it

comes to Quality it's um I don't I I'm not the guy who actually makes the decisions uh stuff

like that but I I understand I as much as I hate to say this I understand that from their point of view if no one is

saying it's it's acceptable quality it's good enough right so that's what a lot of

companies uh try to achieve not not necessarily Excellence you know I strive

for for excellence um as much as I can anyway I know I know a lot of people that do a way better job than me I try

to learn from them um so that's what I do but yeah uh in when it comes to

monetary reasons you know stuff like that in IND I never really thought about

that that language and how much how much potential is there um I don't know I

think I think uh if you go on LinkedIn you could try like find people that translate from English into indie or any

other language into Indie and see if there's actually a market for that see if it's not very very hard to find

someone like that because there there are language pairs that are rare in in the industry

um I don't know maybe if you try to find someone that translates from Russian into Portuguese or Italian into

Portuguese or French you know uh or

Japanese I I I know a few translators that translate from Japanese into Brazilian Portuguese a few of them is

that's another thing that is always going to be a consideration is like how many like because your value goes up to

more Niche your transl is like so translating from English into pretty

much any language somebody definitely knows how there's someone on Earth who speaks that language and English yeah

unless it's like some weird Amazonian tribe that never been contact you know what I mean and then you could still do

pointy talkie or what there's got to be a way but then if it's something more Niche like I mean if you're translating from I don't know

like let's say Portuguese to uh what what do they speak in uh

Malaysia I don't know yeah that's that's a very what are the odds how often do you have a person who

is bilingual in both of those languages and then can do that translation or do you have to go kind of like up a chain

like it's like well we're going to translate it into English and then we're going to translate from English into this other language it's probably actually more efficient than trying to

find the one guy who does both yeah um but that one guy could charge

whatever the [ __ ] he wants if somebody really wants that service you know it's like if you if you know how to fix pinball machine means you can name your

price because there's no one who knows how to do that anymore yeah I remember I was working as a when I was an

electrician assistant like years and years and years ago and we we were building a laser tag arena an arcade and

it was like they needed a dude who could do the pinball machines and it was just like one guy in the entire state of

Alabama who knew how to do this and they I'm sure he made a boat load of money oh yeah you can totally take advantage of

that yeah he was actually crazy it's a brief little tangent this dude was insane like literally like I think he

had like some form of schizophrenia or maybe he like did too much acid in the 60s or whatever but it's just like but

but he knows how to fix a pinball machine so he's the guy like can't you can't pick and cheese I mean that might as well be a requirement I don't know I

mean who [Laughter] knows feel like that it's such a niche

job to have is like he probably a crazy person like normal people don't end up with that as the profession I don't

necessarily think yeah at least not down days yeah um

so let's let's broaden our Horizons a little bit like more than just uh Portuguese but you and I often talk

about Linguistics in general and just like the subtle differences between you know this and that or like how different

U languages are structured even because I feel like a lot of especially Americans who are monolingual like we

only speak English we have a lot of I think like Spanish is obviously the second most spoken language in America

and then German is a belief they yeah then it's probably Asian stuff but in

general most white American people are completely totally monolingual and will'll never learn another language at

all other than like whatever is required for them to get through high school which is usually two semesters in my experience and that's you don't have to

be very proficient you just got to pass the blast yeah then you get your you move on so yeah oh yeah I took a Spanish

class in high school but I don't really speak Spanish and in my case I took French and I can't

really speak I can I can like be polite I can be like I can ask somebody to go to bed with me if I really want but I

then learn that from my French class I learned that from the the what is it Lady Marmalade song

So in in your experience if every Brazilian person

learned how to speak English perfectly you would be pretty much out of a job like you wouldn't have to do it anym

yeah oh that that would be yeah that would not be my job at all uh we do have

English classes and you know depending uh on the typee of school you study there yeah uh we also have Spanish

classes so it depends on how interested you are in learning those two languages

or any other for that matter um but yeah U our main our main language is

Brazilian Portuguese and that's pretty much it uh at least the spoken language

we also have a sign we we also have our own sign language so you know technically speaking we speak too

language but uh at least the spoken one is just Brazilian Portuguese uh so yeah

um the the reason that we we uh we have Brazilian game translators in the first

place is because you know back in a day there was no official translation into

Portuguese at all in in the gaming Sphere not at all so we would have to

you know grab a dictionary or something as we play the game in order to understand what we have to do to beat

the game right and so that was our form of learning we were learning the language without even realizing it and

school would just you know it would help us out a little bit with the basics and grammar and stuff but in order to

communicate and actually read and understand uh games were our main source

of of learning basically and so because of that that's how that's how we learned I mean if you ask any game translator

that's usually how they learn and and then and uh there's also you know other

requirements English is just one of the requirements actually to translate something because being bilingual is not

enough at least when it comes to being a professional right because if you're a teacher for example you might have you

might do translations on the side and that's perfectly fine but if you intend to become a professional one day then

yeah you're going to have to study uh for example uh knowing English is one of the

requirements okay but the second requirement is being proficient in your target language and most of the time

your target language is your native language that's how you uh that's how we

usually do that right so you have to write well and uh know how to

form uh wellth thought out phrases and texts um grammarly correct you know

organized and stuff try to be as as per affection is as you can be uh in the

target language because that's the the language you're translating into it doesn't matter how much English you know

if you cannot write well in Portuguese it really doesn't matter it was exactly the same way uh like so when

I went to the Defense Language Institute which is in uh montere California lot like if anybody ever who's been in the

military in the US Military and often even foreign militaries if they're going to study languages that's where they get

yeah and before you start any language course at all you have to

take one week of English they literally like it's like English week because

they're like if you don't understand how your own language works you know because you have it innately like it just comes

out of you like a child you learned it not by having it explained to you you learned it by learning it uh in the

field yeah and when he start talking about things like because most native English speakers that you other than

what they learned in English class which they probably don't really care about about if we start talking about predicates and verbs and nouns and

adverbs and like you know articles whatever parts of speech and then I'm

trying to explain to you how to do this in another language and like oh it works differently like the subject verb uh

verb order is inversed or something like that and if you don't understand what

I'm saying when I say the subject verb order is reversed in Spanish or any

Latin language like we we don't want to be hung up on that we want you to understand how your language works so

that you can be better at learning another language yeah um and and learning another language often times

any other language makes you better at your own language because it forces you to think about it different yeah no it makes a lot of

sense it makes a lot of sense uh what I usually see is that uh some

people know English you know well enough because of their gaming experience right

and they think oh you know I'm going to I'm going to become a video game translator I've been doing this as a fan

you know I know enough English might as well just send my CV and see how well I

I I do right so in order for you to to get hired in the first place you have to

go through a translation test pretty much every serious language

service provider is going to give you one and then you have to pass if you don't well you can try next

time and I had to uh

I had to like review some tests that were handed to me to evaluate them right

uh like around nine or 10 tests uh all of them failed all of them and usually

the problem is that uh it's either they translate very

literally they don't know the terminology that is used in Portuguese nowadays for certain genres for RPGs FPS

and stuff like that because their source of reference is English only so when they have to

translate they don't know what to do they don't know what's mostly used nowadays they don't know uh the word

that is actually um understandable for a lot of people or or maybe they leave some stuff

in English unnecessarily which is going to be harder for someone that is not bilingual to understand what is being

said because you have to understand that when you when you are localizing you are

localizing for a certain territory or a certain country right you're not localizing it for you you're

not localizing for other bilingual people you're localizing it for everyone in your country or territory so you have

to think about that and uh usually uh uh

people that aspire to be translators they you know it's not their fault that they don't know all of this stuff you know you don't you don't know all of it

uh by the jump right but uh that's usually what I see when they try to when

they try to do a translation test try to pass on one and it it doesn't work uh another thing is grammar and and um when

they when they you know they they make some you know basic grammar mistakes that you learn in high school you know

or middle school and you might think oh you know maybe they just forgot yeah but even if you even if you did forget some

things you know you can always Google something that you don't know you can always revise you can always study right

arted translating this was in: 2015

like dude I have to get better in my own language otherwise I'm going to make some grievous mistakes here so every

time I I didn't know uh a certain rule a certain language rule I would just Google it and learn it uh that way as I

was doing because that's how I usually learn I just learn by by doing most of the time I also learn by by feedback

when people give me feedback and I'm very thankful for that I I don't usually get feedback and that's something that um I

try to uh to give to people because that's something that I I just wish that more people would have done the same for

me so if I if I have the chance to give out feedback to other people that's what I usually do because then you can learn

so much faster you learn a lot so much faster right so yeah going back to the translation test uh subject that's what

I usually see so people just end up failing the test and I try to give as much um comments as I can many comments

as I can about what they did wrong or or what they did right as well because they

might might might not realize what they also did right so I let them

know and all the other mistakes as well and so I usually just hope that people

take that seriously and not and not oh you know this guy is just being perfectionist and stuff like that it's like yeah you know you're doing this for

money uh this is going to be your career it's not you're we we can compare this

to modding right modding PC games uh you're not an amateur anymore like

this is going to be your career this is serious like you're going to get paid to do this and people are going to buy the

product that you work on so they expect a good quality so you have to be more

careful about what you do in Translation it's the same thing right and by the way

I know that there are a lot of mods out there that are professional quality uh and I and I'm and I'm very uh very into

those mods uh but you know at least in we'll get into that like you're always saying I'm a gamer

like you're not a gamer you're a a mod player a mod player you I don't never I don't think I've ever seen you play a

game I think I've seen you play a lot of mods lot of mods well I I play tring 2o without mods so there's that I I I like

that game for what it is you know um but yeah uh my man does not like vanilla ice

cream he's got to have the the toppings and everything yeah yeah that's usually uh you know you know a game has to be

good in the first place otherwise people won't will not uh have the like this um this need to mod the

game right if it was a shitty one in the first place but anyway so yeah I make this comparison and also uh in at least

when it comes to Brazilian Portuguese most fan translations out there are not

very good in my opinion and I don't say this to like offend people or anything because I used to be a fan translator as

well you know I didn't have high standards when I when I was doing this for free you know and that's fine um but

I usually see a lot of mistakes uh because people were just doing it for fun and stuff I cannot speak for other

languages I can only speak for mine so yeah um but when I see a good fan

translation uh The Unofficial ones that are uh made voluntarily I usually try to talk to

those guys because I see the potential there we might we might work together someday I might try to talk to the guy

and learn from uh from him or her uh because I because it's so rare to see

that like I can count uh with with one hand how many people I know that started

as fan translators that did really good fan translations and are now making a living out of video game localization

now I I know like I don't know maybe four people three or four people uh that really takes this

seriously and uh and I usually try to try to invite them to work with me you

know if something comes up and you know they can help help me out I I invite them or if it's a project that I am

managing um I usually invite people to uh they become my friends and then we just uh we just keep uh learning from

each other it's it's really it's really awesome uh and this is also are very similar in that way where I'm like I'm

always trying like I said earlier like I don't like to be alone like I'm always trying to include other people yeah and

and so I guess in some ways it could come across like I'm trying to put work off on other folks but that's like not how I see it at all I'm like no I want

every single time somebody wants an opportunity that I can like give them an

opportunity I'm doing it like that's that's a no-brainer for me yeah if you do good work people will find you people

will find you and they will they'll try to contact you and stuff you know uh uh this is what I do mostly with my own

podcast uh your podcast was actually one one of my Inspirations to to make to

make it in the first place uh you know I I had other Inspirations as well but uh

w since you interviewed me in: 2020

doing it for for three years you know since we 2021 me were we like just playing Quake or I don't even remember

like I feel like we were hanging out in the Discord or playing Quake or some [ __ ] and then like you were just telling me what it is that you do and I was like

dude come on my show like right now you were just you were just hanging out like you were just sitting on a Discord

channel uh on a on a voice channel right and then um I decided you know I might

as well join and talk to the guy because I I've listened to your podcast at least a few episodes at the time and then you

know you you started asking me what I do for Olivia so oh you know I'm I'm I'm a video game translator you know I love what I do and he was like oh you know

let's let's do an episode and I remember being very very happy about that I was like oh my God you know I thought about

this and now it's happening I was really happy about that it's so weird to me and

I I'm actually curious to like get into at some point in this conversation just podcasting in general yeah but for me I

will never get used to people knowing who I am and knowing a lot of information about me because they listen

to like hundreds of hours of me speaking and then I don't know [ __ ] about them yeah they so it's like you're you're

having a conversation with a stranger who knows a lot of information about you um that's so weird it and I don't think

of I don't ever want to think about myself as like a celebrity or [ __ ] it's not even like that but but it's

just like you know if I'm at a convention in Texas and some guy from Israel walks up to me and shakes my hand

and says like dude I'm a huge fan of your show I'm like what that's Unthinkable right you know like I don't

even know that people in Israel listen to our podcast like it's like yeah never even it's so small on the map you know

when I'm looking on Captivate at the you know demographics of who listens to the show it's not even big enough to hover

the mouse over and yet this guy's like by the way is this is the oh my goodness I feel

like such a jackass if I'm not going to spit his name out right now big eye guy was his online name all right U but you

know I'm just standing there at qu Conor this guy like is's I'm a huge fan of your [ __ ] like I traveled all the way

from Israel to be here for qu Conor or whatever like this is insane this is not

real so cool and that's happened to me many many different times like not just in that context like I've had some

someone uh even in Denmark there was a guy that worked with me named Matt Matt Hackenberg who's an amazing artist he

worked on uh corday and believe Graven and maybe wrath on ruin but like he's

from I want to say Germany and his wife is Belgian I Matt if you're listening to this I'm

sorry but you know and he comes up and he's like dude I'm like a huge fan of your show I've like been a fan of in the

keep for years and years and years I'm working on my own game Cosmic Dawn that's pretty much in line with what you

do um and I was just like mind blown I'm like how how

this you know how did we end up in the same place at the same time and the truth is because we both work for 3D realm yeah obviously we're going to have

about overlap of like if you know Boomer Shooters you probably know me and you probably know 3D reals that's just how it is yeah it's the same thing for me uh

you know um when it comes to a Brazilian video game localization podcast I think

I my my podcast is the only one in the whole country and it's so [ __ ] Niche like it's so Niche

and sometimes people come and say to me oh you know I I listen to a lot of your episodes and stuff like that and you

know I always get very excited and and also you know uh it puzzles me sometimes

you know like you were saying you know how how how how people know me you know in the first place um but yeah it's it's

it's very exciting and I also you know congratulate you for all that success I mean you deserve it

uh I don't know how to measure because it's not like it's not like I became

famous and made a million dollars it's just that like and I always try to tell people this yeah it's not how many

listeners you have it is who is listening it would if you got one guy in

the in the audience or one lady in the audience who like makes a big difference in your life and it's going to be more

than one even if it's like 50 people if two of them are one of them makes a big

difference that's all that matters yeah people are always in today's so especially with content creation which

is a phrase that I [ __ ] hate oh really they're always always always concerned about like I need to I need to

get a bajillion views on my YouTube channel or I need this many subscribers or I want this many followers on

Instagram and I'm like that does not matter that is an illusion that's a lie it's the cake it's the cake cake is a

lie it's a lie yeah you don't need to do that what you need to do is find people enough people who really [ __ ] with you

and what you're all about to keep it sustainable and the opportunities will

ould not have convinced me in: 2018

whatever when I started in the keep podcast that that was going to take me as far as it did even it you couldn't

convince me when it was happening how far it was going to take me because I didn't I was like I'll only get like a

few hundred listens on most episodes you know sometimes I would have one that blew up you know like a sergeant markv

some like bigger name oh yeah kind of thing but I would have NE you couldn't have if you had told me in four years

you're going to be a producer for a major video game company I would have said no [ __ ] way that's not gonna happen that's a [ __ ] lie it's not

possible yeah that's that's crazy yeah if people

yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry go ahead no I was just gonna say what with you it's like you just because you were

interested in Translation as a hobby turned into your career yeah it's uh it's still still crazy to

think about that actually still still it's still crazy and um yeah uh same thing for me

told me in in you know before: 2021

understand even how microphones work or any audio stuff like how am I going to

have any interest and then in: 2021

idea yeah I had this idea and then I told two of my two colleagues of mine

that helped me in the zigat 2 project zigat 2 is like I I like I have two I

have a two monitor setup here right the mod or my right has a wallpaper oh [ __ ]

Alex just he'll okay he's gonna be back all right there he is there he is hey

Alex yeah maybe maybe because you're muted for too long yeah you didn't like move the mouse or anything for a while

we we'll edit this little slump out but are you an admin in this channel me no

no no all right I'm gonna quickly give you

an admin role and we can change the settings in the Discord to not AFK

people for being muted you know for a longer period of time if that makes sense oh that's

better uh so let's see rolls you're going to be a corporate

Overlord from now on all right go back to your

hole F we should leave this make me a sandwich brought up in a

this I just had like a flash of like in like 20 years or now like I'm in a lawsuit and it's like you're abuse your

voice yeah and I'm gonna be like no I would never do that and they just play that

recording yeah back to your ho [ __ ] go back to your whole [ __ ] um it might be AI we don't know you know you know it's

scary nowadays Alex intelligence yeah I don't even

remember where we were it's okay so where we were was you were you were just going on this tangent

about zigurat to oh yeah so I have a two monitor setup right uh the Moder on my

right here has a wallpaper of the zigurat 2's credit screen and so I have

all the names of the people who helped me make this project a reality and so we have here six people right and I'm

one of them there's two here haata Ka nak and Maria Fernand Alis I talked to

those two because uh they were professionals uh when they joined me on this project right the other ones were

were mostly amateurs but they did help me as well so I I asked both of them hey

you know I'm I have this idea of just making a podcast about video game

localization and I have not found one so far at least in Brazilian Portuguese

that is you know what do you guys think you know should I do it and they were like yeah yeah you should like yeah

there there's nothing like that uh in the wild I was like okay and so I started studying uh what what I needed

to actually start a podcast um I needed to

basically uh learn how to use a an audio editing software and I I didn't even know

audacity was a thing honestly I didn't even know uh that it was a thing and also that it was an open- Source

software so I I started watching a lot of YouTube videos on how to on how to

use it um and keyboard shortcuts and and everything and I spent a few days doing just that so I was very very very

immersed uh in the learning process because I wanted to make that happen and so I watched a lot of tutorials from bus

Sprout uh bus Sprout is a is a company that has this podcast hosting and distributing service and they also have

yeah I used to I started off with bus they were my original distribution brand and they're quite good yeah the only

thing i' have negative to say about them because they have great customer service great everything oh yeah is that if you

are running one podcast buz Sprout is perfectly fine um so his anchor and if

you're trying to go the free route you know a lot of people I don't think it's called anchor it's called like sp5 for podcasters or something but you oh yeah

they change name yeah but but then if you want to run a network of many

different podcasts as I do then it's not ideal because you have to pay basically the same price per podcast whereas with

uh like other brands like Captivate is what I use now they're not a sponsor I'm just saying that's what I use I can have

as many different shows as I want on our Network and as long as you don't go over a certain amount of downloads so it's

more based on bandwidth than it is on what you're you know how many shows you have yeah that's the reason why I ended

up having believe us from yeah uh I also I also love their

service um you know um I got and the reason that I went with them

is because you know they have this YouTube channel and they have a lot of tutorials there a lot of them so much

great like a library of information people respond to you and help you yeah

they're they're and I could I could have like watched all of that content in still go with another uh another service

right but since they helped me so much in learning what I needed to know to

start a podcast everything since you know what platforms are there what software do you have to use um uh how do

you write your own description uh how do you you know what questions do you ask you know how to actually interview a

person in the first place like they go over everything you need to know and I was like oh my God this content is so

good and you know I'm I'm just going to give back to them uh uh you know just to show them how grateful I am and so

that's why I I I hired their service and uh I stood I stayed with them for three

years and then for for financial reasons I had to switch to another free service

which is called spreer um ah okay and and when I did that uh I I I actually needed some

support help and you know uh when you when you hire their service you go to

this private Facebook group that is only for uh bus Sprout customers and so

people didn't can discuss about podcasting in general and stuff like that right and and I would usually instead of you having to go that free

route why don't you just let me host your podcast on our Network and then you won't have to pay anything because we're

going to pay the 20 bucks a month or whatever you know for hosting period yeah and then you can have all of the tools we have instead of having to go

with nothing against freaker I'm just saying like I would rather you have access to all of the perks yeah oh we

can we can we can get into details like uh after the after this discussion we

can we can totally like you know get uh uh go deeper in

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of about how bus proud support was really good you know people would also would always give positive feedback you

know oh my God this support the support is amazing and stuff and I was like okay so this is this is my chance to see if

that's true and so I sent them an email it was it was on a Sunday right I sent

him an email asking for help so hey you know I want to migrate my podcast to this this service called spreer you know

it's nothing against your service or anything it's just for my own personal reasons I love you guys you know but I

need help with this in 15 minutes they replied to my email and it was on a

Sunday right at least where I live and I was like oh my God this was so fast and and they gave me all the details you

know the tutorials and the links everything and so I could do it on my own I didn't need them basically you

just needed to move your RS feed uh yeah to move your RSS feed and how how much

time you need to actually wait for the migration process to finish you need to wait few weeks for that um you know

where you where you need to go like the pages and where you need to click and stuff like that so um so yeah I I needed

their help with that and and they and they they were so quick and so helpful

so I was like oh okay so what people were saying is actually truth is actually the is actually true they are

really good at supporting people so yeah um now I'm using spreer I I don't know a

lot about uh all the perks that I have you know I've been using it for a few months now

um um it's usually good enough for me but as you were saying maybe I can

migrate to yours as well you know we can we can go uh into details about that later but yeah um after that uh I

decided you know in: 2021

actually interview and so the first person um was called Mund at least

that's his nickname online Mund Nash and he was the sole guy that

translated Divinity original sin 2 into Brazilian Portuguese huge people not

Gamers that is humongous humongous that that game is so huge we're

talking 1.5 million words at

least let's do the because I just wanted to like put it into context earlier we said you know a price for 5,000 so like

07 times you said one and a half million yeah uh so that's going to be

1,500,000 I don't like I don't know the details if if he if he if he was

actually paid you know there's a story behind it I and I can tell you all that I know from my

side that's uh 10 is

10 God I'm so bad at I gotta count zeros that's three

three zeros all right that's too many

zeros five yeah I mean that's a

$105,000 job 105 R thousand dollars in brl he did for for

free this man what would be $100,000 yeah I don't know you know

there there's um you know so here's here's the thing

right he initially did it for free uh because uh he didn't know that

the translation would actually become official it was just a fan translation you know he he made a lot of videos um

of him uh playing with his translation when it wasn't even out yet so people couldn't could not download it it didn't

leak or anything and it was basically just building hype like I I think this guy knows a lot about marketing like

holy [ __ ] you know there are a lot of even uh [ __ ] articles written about him because he

got so famous you know um he made a lot of noise and his fans also helped him

make a lot of noise to reach uh div divinity's company right which is laran

Studios so laran Studios was like you know we should talk to this guy you know let's see let's see what this is all

about and and and if the translation is actually good so yeah after this I don't

know a lot a lot of the details between their discussion because you know there might be ndas involved but what I do

know is that uh they talked to him and they said we're going to have three

guys play with your translation three Specialists they're going to play with your translation right and they're going

to and they're going to give us an okay if we get three okays it means that your translation is good enough and we can

add it officially into the game and so he got three okays and it

became official now if he got paid for the whole package

or if it was just a volunteer through and through I actually don't know the details he might he might have a

contract with laran Studios that he might not be able to to give out all the details and that's that's perfectly fine

I mean uh he has to respect the contracts that he signs but after that

he he became a a professional translator like that's that's what he does now for

a living and he has a family you know he has his wife I don't know how many children he has nowadays but maybe one

or two and that's how he he provides for his family nowadays because he used to be a lawyer the guy was a [ __ ] lawyer

bro and he became a video game localizer probably why he's really really good at language exactly being a lawyer you have

to be very specific about the language that you use I mean that legally is considered a language yeah because you

know when when I when I when I watched his streams because he Al because he also streamed on YouTube and and made

made videos of his translations I was like this guy is doing this for free because he made an other fan

translations you know for other big RPG games like balers Gate enhanced Edition right and and and other um RPG games

isometric ones and his Portuguese was so good I was like bro this is so rare to

see nowadays like like I like I said before I only know like three or four people that started as volunteers making

translations that good and so and M Nasher is one of them I I think his real

name is Edson he's in real laugh name I'm gonna

have my buddy Jeremy on probably I think next week or sometime it doesn't matter like whoever's listening sometime in the

next several episodes there'll be a guy named Jeremy oh that's so I'm trying to say but he's a he developed a game for

Nintendo called swap fire uh it's like a first person shooter but like you're the mechanic is like if you shoot someone

they don't die you switch positions with them it's very cool game um it's is it

perfect I don't know but it's not you know it was developed for people playing on handheld Nintendos but now it's going

to be released on PC uh sometime in the near future maybe maybe already by the time this comes out yeah

um and we were talking about localization because I'm I'm always gonna bring it up as a marketer that that's always going to be something that

is on my mind um but the philosophy at Nintendo has for a long time been as

much as possible make things symbols so like instead of

writing out enter or single player you use a symbol that anyone from any

language would recognize so like a you know an emblem a circular emblem with a silhouette of one person is single

player and then the one next to it with four people is multiplayer yeah obviously don't need to translate the

word and I'm curious like how much of that do you encounter and how how do you

think that for instance like obviously it can't be done with like an RPG that has a shitload of uh text you know like

it's important that you understand the story but with something that's very simple that's just like a game you can just jump into like most Nintendo games

um it's a fairly easy job on your part if if the developer themselves considers that stuff before they start

yeah yeah um have you have you seen any good examples of that well uh I'm not

much of a Nintendo player but uh I I saw an example of this with

shooter that was released in: 2018

one of the most successful first person shooters of all time yeah CH changed my like that game changed my life yeah that

game I can honestly say that yeah and for people that don't know uh which Boomer shooter to start with start with

dusk yeah might as well start with Dusk and then you can go to doom and Quake and what whatever but yeah dusk had this

um you know they they they developed an update for the game that had a few that

they would need to translate a few strings and instead of actually writing them down they used icons and symbols so

for example the save icon is basically a a like a like a floppy disc right and

stuff like that uh so they used that and uh they actually said that the reasoning for that was to not have to localize

those words they they even said in the update post on Steam so I was like oh you know

that's that's very interesting I I never really thought about that you know if I used to play Nintendo games nowadays I

would it would it wouldn't be news to me but but when I saw that I was like oh

okay that's that's very interesting but yeah you you cannot overdo it um you have to you need text you know if you're

going to tell a story or you know if you or or something if you're going to have

tutorial in game to teach the PE to teach the player how to play the game yeah you're going to have to rely mostly

on text and uh yeah so that so I think that's the

only example that I can think of that actually you know comes to mind the the biggest example was it's

outside of gaming I was I was actually talking to Jeremy about this other day was like okay see it's not a Mandela

effect thing but back in the day when I was a young man yeah Starbucks used to say the word Starbucks

on their logo they stopped doing that and now that everybody knows that the

symbol with the lady is Starbucks the symbol and the reason why they did that

was because they were sick and tired of having to translate you know they sell a cup with that logo on it and then they

have to localize to every single country that they open up a store in or they could just have the symbol no word

people understand that that means Starbucks wherever they at yeah and they save millions and millions of dollars on

printing costs for making cuffs or like logos signs for their for their stores

yeah L yeah absolutely [ __ ] genius genius never really thought about that I

mean yeah if you're if you're on marketing uh if you work with marketing or you know globalization you know with

all that stuff it's uh it's not something that I understand a lot of a

lot about myself but uh every time that I have a conversation with you I learn more about it so I learn more about uh

what what goes through uh your mind when you have to localize if it's you know a feasible or

not uh how many words you're dealing with how much it's going to cost and stuff like that um most of the time we

translators we think about uh the linguistic side of things and usually we

usually try to hone and and hone that uh more and more but yeah uh I I have to

learn more about that stuff so I'm actually glad that we that we still talk to this day not so often but you know

whenever we get we get the chance I mean I talked to you like I

said the the Bea of this thing like probably once or twice a week minimum I don't know all the time no I mean when

was the last time you know before like I don't know maybe the last two times that we talked like last week I mean yeah I

mean yeah last week we talked then before that was like what months or even a year um no I mean if you want to really

start breaking this down like it's typically if I am alone I'm on the

internet you know because I'm trying to talk to people so for just just not to

go on a whole tangent about my life right now but I've literally just moved from like Denmark to Alabama from

Alabama I went to Arizona and then I went back to Alabama and then I'm now I'm permanently in Arizona and I'm about

to move again in November to South Carolina most likely and so during those

times obviously I'm not on the internet yeah but I just mean like when I'm in my house there's no one else around and I'm

on the on the web it's usually like doing game development stuff within the keep but we're we're literally talking to each other in the in the keep games

Discord server right now oh yeah um and I just try to make myself available if I if I'm not doing anything else you know

or even if I am and I could just have my headset on I'm trying to be present for the people who work with me oh yeah um

if they have a question if they just want to jump in even if it's just to shoot the [ __ ] but you know you're one of the people that's always there like

you and Nave and you know Alex and lots of different people oh yeah that's true who just partic are regular participants

in what we're doing here um so I would say while there obviously have been big long gaps where we don't talk a lot like

I'd say over the last several months anytime that I'm not actively moving my ass from state to state across the

country I've been in the in the voice Channel and usually you're one of the people hanging out so oh yeah um we talk

quite a lot I don't know if you realize that yeah now now that you put put it that way yeah it makes a lot of sense

yeah yeah um and as we're speaking right now it's August so yeah who knows where

I'll be by the time this comes out I I'm so so tired of moving bro I just want to

like yeah yeah you told me the whole story I was like how can someone move so

much so many times in the past in the past three years I have been to so many

different countries it's in it's absolutely insane like I had never left the United States until

2021 and then since then I've been to you know of

course Denmark Sweden UK am well the Netherlands as a whole all over it yeah

uh Germany multiple times I've been to Slovakia I've been

to uh Austria I've been to Czech Republic and back to America and then

even like breaking it down by country at that point if you want to be fair you have to divide American states too so

it's not like oh I just went to the United States like I've been to uh grew up in Alabama ended up in

California through the military ended up in Mississippi from the military ended up in Texas because of the military

ended up in Arizona because of the military and now I'm back in Arizona I'm just it when I say it all out loud it

sounds absolutely crazy because most of the people I grew up around my my siblings even have never left home yeah

um and I wouldn't trade this experience for anything but it is exhausting like moving is insanely exhausting oh yeah

well I can only imagine I mean I I never left the country myself I've only you know I've been in a plane only a few

times in my life um first time when I was a kid and then

only uh very recently like two years ago uh I got a flight to S Paulo another

another Brazil State uh and it's it was so long since I last

um was on a plane right so yeah but I never left the country and and if I have to I think a good reason for me to do so

would be you know to to go to Quon and I know that if I go there I would meet a lot of people that I know online uh and

just have fun um you know I I really wish that I I I could go at least you

know this year but you know it already happened like Quon is over um and also to see the

announcements live uh you know we got the Doom Eternal modding tools we got

Doom one Doom plus Doom two you know the the new version by Night dive uh so many cool

stuff and and seeing that live oh you know there's also like the private show

case of the new Doom game uh that it's not out uh at least I saw nobody leak it

me thing they did for do Doom: 2016

day that they would close the doors and then oh you know only people that are are in this event can actually see some

gameplay before everybody else and so they did the same thing this year with um Doom the Dark Ages and I and I think

it would be awesome uh to see that live actually go there and talk to people I I

don't know the experience of actually being in a being in a country where

nobody speaks your language I I I have no idea how that feels I have no idea my

brother does because he's been living in Australia for seven or eight years now I think seven years yeah seven

years um it's very interest obviously like I'm very lucky I I consider myself

blessed to be a native English speaker I think that's like one of the best lottery tickets you could pull in life yeah is to just be born a native English

speaker because it makes life very it the inconveniences that you face in a

country where someone doesn't speak English are so much lower than if you're

a non-english speaker in an English country people don't give a [ __ ] about learning your language something about

living in Denmark that was so interesting to me would be that uh someone would come up and talk to me

assuming that I was Danish I mean I'm Caucasian at least or whatever so they're just like oh they just walk up

start talking to you yeah and then you know until I got a grasp some language there often times I would be like I'm so

sorry I I always speak English and then would say I'm sorry for assuming that

you spoke Danish I was like if this same situation played out in the United States nobody's [ __ ] apologizing to

you for not speaking whatever language it is you're speak it's not happening yeah like they're gonna be like learn

literally like Americans would be like learn English yeah you want to be here learn our language I'm like and that's to to a

degree kind of true but it's also like just having someone apologize to me for

assuming that I would speak the language of the country that I'm living in was insane you know and you also have this

phenomena I think of people having like an English name and a whatever their native name is so my friend uh his name

is malus which is often pronounced Magnus in English or in uh Norwegian but

in Danish the G itself so malus yeah and you know he introduced himself to me in

English as Magnus and I was like dude you should make me call you what your [ __ ] name is like you don't have to

change your what you're called based on like being polite to a person who doesn't speak your language it's just

weird I don't think it's wrong but it was just such a strange experience to have yeah where like people were so

accommodating to oh you know we were're just they're very like Danish people are very welcoming um on the surface and

then kind of like on a personal level they're not going to get too close to you uh that's not even because you're a

foreigner that's like part of the Scandinavian culture is just being very

insol you know you spend a lot of time alone in your apartment during the winter time you don't go out uh so

they're just not the most social people in the world which was a culture shock for me coming from the American

Southeast dude like we're we we talk to everybody you can't drive the car down the road if you see another car on the

road you have to wave at them you're a dick quad if you don't like acknowledge every single person you see if you're at

the grocery store buying groceries you you're having a conversation with the cashier while they're checking you out M like like how are you doing are you okay

uh you know like oh my goodness you know let me tell you a story or whatever the [ __ ] and nobody gets mad if that conversation holds up the line even it's

just part of the culture and then living in some place where that's like not a thing you do yeah so

strange so strange it's considered rude often in Danish culture to ask someone

how they're doing like how are you is a rude question to ask it's like invasive it's like why would you holy [ __ ] why

would you ask me that and to me it's like that's a a requirement in every

conversation is to ask someone how they do like but I think go ahead go ahead no

I was just going to say that you know that's so that's so common uh at least in other cultures right uh the first

thing you was say you know how are you doing you know is everything you know it if the person is

going through something you know is everything all right or something like that um I would that would never cross

my mind this idea that I would be invading their their life or something

you know I find it it's it's a culture thing it's also I think a socialism thing um which is neither here nor there

but it's like I pay my taxes I know that every single other person in this region

has everything that they need provided to them based on the taxes we pay and the services we Prov yeah so if you grow

up with that assumption you don't have this reason to be like concerned about

like hey do you have everything you need are you okay do you need to talk to somebody whatever the [ __ ] you know you don't have that concern because you just

assume that's taken care of the state takes care of that and I think for for where I grew up it was much different we

don't no American should ever be assuming the government is gonna do anything for them at all like same here

do not think that yeah that the government's GNA have your [ __ ] back you know you just you you better have

somebody else in your life hopefully several people who actually care about you enough to [ __ ] drag you out of a

hole if you end up and one yeah um you know it's not uncommon at all for if

someone like is if there's a rainstorm and someone gets off the road or something like that and then like some dude in the truck is gonna pull up and

ask you hey can I help you and drag you out and get you back on the road or if you're tired blow somebody is going to

help you in Denmark I can't tell you the number of times that I have been walking through the snow down the highway and

not one single person stopped to be like are you okay and I'm like that's it's not because I expected of them but it

was just like you see a grown man walking through the snow in the middle of the winter and you don't even think

like maybe that guy needs some help maybe he needs a ride yeah but they just wouldn't talk to a stranger you know

which is it's okay I'm not I'm not criticizing Scandinavian culture I'm just saying this is what that's what's

the different between where I grew up what I experienced there oh yeah no and you know about this uh this thing about

helping people you know very recently my mom had to call had to call an ambulance for someone uh like very close to where

we live um I don't know what the person uh was going through but uh she was

basically like on the floor um you know I think she was either coughing or or

throwing up I think she I think she was throwing up right so she wasn't in a good state at all and she needed help uh

some people just like knew that she was there and didn't do anything and and you

know my mom the only reason that my mom knew is because uh someone else here told her hey you know there's there's

this person you know lying on the floor I think she's I don't know where she's going what she has and then you know my

mom went through the trouble of calling an ambulance and stuff you know and trying to help her uh as as much as she

as she could and and she was telling me the whole story you know because I was just sitting here I I didn't know what was

going on and then she told me the whole story and how she was very impressed with uh how a lot of people just don't

care uh if you if you like if you're dying uh like only if you have one

person helping you that person is an angel everyone else and I'm not saying this to to judge people is like oh you

know everybody's an [ __ ] that's not that's not um my intention here is just

that a lot of people don't know what to do that they they have they they don't they don't know what to do they don't

know how to act in that situation they're not prepared for it or maybe

they they have some trauma some past trauma that they haven't gotten over and when they see someone suffering like

that they remember something from their past a bad memory and that makes them go crazy so they so they so they try to

avoid it right there's a lot of reasons why uh in in situations like that people

just decide to not help um but obviously that doesn't mean that we should just

like understand and not say anything about it we should talk about it we should try to help people um you know if

you see someone crying in the street alone or something like that like you can offer them hey you know can I you

know uh is everything all right you know can I can I give you some water um do

you need uh do you need any directions or something like that like just just go go and L a hand

you know just just try to be a good person to someone you don't you don't know a shame because I

feel like um empathy isn't is something that's like diminished within

us uh I don't know why that is like it just for example like a couple of days ago was driving to Phoenix in back and

we saw him at a gas station and there was like a couple who were literally like having a fight with markam mind and like this woman just like drives off and

leaves her the guy there and we're on a timeline we're trying to get to the

airport and my my my girlfriend who's the sweet like she's the most likely to

like help anyone at all that seems like they need help period and she's like are you okay and all this kind of [ __ ] and

I'm like don't get involved no you know for all I know that dude just smacked the [ __ ] out of that

girl like I don't I don't know it's not but the instinct to just be like hey

this person probably needs help is such a beautiful thing that I don't think a lot of people um or at least the

majority of people don't necessarily even think about it's not it's it's not a fault on them it's almost like empathy

is like a sense so like you know we have sight smell touch taste uh hearing and

then somehow empathy is not something that's Universal for everybody I try to

I try to like be patient with people who don't think about that kind of stuff and it's not because I think that they're

bad or that they're consider it it's more like oh yeah imagine if you if you had a blind person or a deaf person

whatever you would not expect them to see or hear something that they couldn't see or hear so if they don't have that

natural sense of like other people's emotions uh registering to them as important they just don't have it yeah

um that and that's so strange but it's something I've had to like grow to understand I think I was born naturally

very empathetic my mother has told me that like I would always be like really attuned to emotions if I'm having a

conversation with somebody I'm reading their body language I'm hearing their tone you know and I'm taking all of that

into consideration like how do I act with this person yeah um and a lot of people simply don't get that and the um

a big argument you could make is it's it's an Autism thing yeah because that's

not I'm not I'm not a [ __ ] psychologist of course but I'm just saying that like a lot of what autistic

people struggle with is social cues like reading body language understanding tone

understanding like someone's feelings because it just isn't present in the way

that their brain works like it's not a consideration oh yeah which is not it doesn't mean that that's a bad person it

just means it's a person who is lacking a sense yeah yeah that makes

sense because U I have I have a friend uh and that you know she she went

through this whole test to find out if if she was itic or not and and it came

out positive so she so she is autistic and then she told me you know her whole story basically even from when she was a

kid to uh the adult that she is now uh a lot of things I didn't know about

autistic people at all so I learned a lot about that from her from her telling

me the whole the whole story uh what usually autistic people do and OB and also uh we cannot forget that you know

there's very degrees very different degrees of autism right um some people

have a higher degree than others some people share the same traits some people don't and they are autistic as the same

way so you cannot just look at a certain behavior and say oh that person is autistic like right out of the gate uh

you know there's a lot of a lot of uh different factors that that go that come into play right um the way it's done is

there's there's a book called the DSM is it d agnostic and statistics manual they

come out with a new one every so many years yeah this is for every psychological disorder that could be um

and the criteria like it literally like lists symptoms and it's like you have to meet X number of the symptoms in order

to be legally diagnosed with this disorder or condition or whatever call it I don't like to use the word

disease no I don't think it's a dis I don't see that way yeah it's it's more

like it just like it puts you in a category so that people can manage their expectations so if you happen to be I

don't know have what they call bipolar disorder or you happen to have autism or you happen to be uh any potential

psychological diagnosis at all so depression anxiety yeah you just have to meet the criteria

yeah um sorry that was a little bit of a t that's how it's done that's how they

do it that's okay it's a very interesting topic to talk about uh so we can understand people better I have a

friend another friend actually that that has a bipolar disorder uh he told me

about that and then he explained to me rough he explained that it's rough because uh sometimes you're in a you're

in a let's say very depressive State and then the next day you're like you're

just fine it's like nothing happened uh he has like it's like it changes right

from time to time uh and so sometimes he he tells me oh

you know I've been very depressed and stuff like that and then other days he like very motivated uh and he is he and I don't

know if if it has to do with his condition or or anything but he is a guy

that he he is interested in so many subjects

right he knows a lot about so many so many things so he can talk about with

different people about what they love to do as as much as anybody else and so he

he knows a lot about localization because I've been working with him for two years now and I gave him a lot of

feedback i b i I basically mentored him right and and good only me for doing

that too for taking somebody under your Wayne like helping him out yeah uh the reason that that that I helped him out

was because he he told me hey you know I I want to do something um like

chase this career and and and see you know what comes out of it and I told him hey you know this is a very serious

career you know are you sure you're ready you know uh I might I might give you serious feedback or negative

feedback and stuff like that are you ready for that and he's like yeah and so this has been going on for two years uh because he was the one that

actually approached me to talk about it so it it was it was very very nice of him very uh commendable to to do that uh

and he also he's a programmer and if you are a translator and a

programmer at the same time you have a huge Advantage dude like you you

like because for example um if you understand regular expression right if

you're a programmer you you you know what that is if you're a translator and you know how to use regular expression

you can for example I have a I have a um I

have a text file and there's a lot of code in that file but there's also the text that I

have to translate right there's the translatable text and and and a lot of tags and code that I should not mess

with otherwise I'm going to break the game or make the game crash or something right right and so you need to import

that file into a cat tool um if if you're going to import a file that the

cat tool doesn't know its structure doesn't know the format uh for example there's a c to

called me q and you can use regular expression to tell the cat tool hey this

is translatable text hey this is code you're going to leave that out you're not going to mess with that to break

otherwise you're going to break the file right so I don't know much about regular

expression I try to study it it's too much for my brain I'm almost giving up but I I'm going to try again uh

sometime and he just like oh I love regular expression I'm like seriously

like yeah okay so yeah I need help with this and so I gave him you know oh no there's there's these tags and and this

file right here you know can you give me a regular expression for that it's like yeah and then he would give me one I

would apply that that regular expression argument into the cat tool and it would

and it would work and I was like this guy is a [ __ ] genius this is this is

exactly what I need so every time that I need to work on a project that I need this this very technical assistance he's

the first person that comes to mind because he knows that [ __ ] and this is

also something that a lot of people can take as um as a tip if you if you show people what you

do you're going to like people are going to open doors for you like un

unexpectedly that that's going to happen and so when he said that to me I was like know then then help me with this

other project I'm not going to give out any details because nothing is like set in stone I don't want to make any

promises that I cannot keep so I'm not going to give you any uh any details about that project nothing about an IND

da or or anything but if if this goes through I'm I'm going to be so excited

to to work on this and have him on my team and he's he's actually you know in

a way on my team and uh another person that I invited to join me on this project worked on gz doom and

Rays so that's another thing and this huge fan of both oh I'm a huge Rays is

one of the coolest games it it's like such an unsung game raay nobody ever no that's not a game that's a Sur sport Oh

I thought you meant okay so there's a game called Ray which is r a y z it was

published by uh hyp oh okay okay okay so yeah uh I meant I meant uh The Sur sport

I meant jez doom and Ray both of them are c sports right and so uh this other

guy uh his nickname is nego strike and he he

translated pretty much like 90% of all the gz Dooms content and raises content

not only the the the source sport strings but the game strings so all all games doom doom 2 final Doom uh heretic

hexen even [ __ ] cheex Quest hatic I said that heretic um uh Duke

Nukem 3D blood Shadow War everything he translated everything even even the text strings from redneck

Rampage and that translation was so good like because it's a it's a redneck

game right and so he needed to he needed to me what I'm sorry redneck Rampage is

racist and it Evin me yeah but it's a very it's a very um

comedic game uh and and I actually I think I'm one of the people that actually enjoys it even though the

gameplay might be a bit rough rough sometimes like when it comes to level design and how comedic the game is I

now for for what it was in in: 1997

translating a game like that is not an easy Fe easy feat right and so he did that and and he had you know he

consulted um like the the terminology that you would use for a redneck person in Brazil so he he really localized the

game uh when you pick up an item in the game uh moonshine or something like that

and he would actually adapt that um using words that we use here and I was like oh my God this translation is so

good and and this was done by a volunteer and I contacted the guy to interview him uh on my podcast and that

was like two years ago I think um uh and and I and I said to him hey

you know I'm working on this other project I don't know if it's going to become a reality or not but I want you

to help me out like you're the best person for that and so he accepted and then I found out that the guy lives like

next to me like he he he lives in another city that is close to mine right

uh I live in canoas he lives in pagri pagri is the the capital of hugu canoas

and and P pagri are pretty much very close to each other right it's like a 20

minute car ride until I get there right so I could like meet this guy in person

if I wanted to I know I know I know other few people other translators that are like from canoas and even ptoi and I

and I found that out like I met them online first and then I and I found out

oh my God we live in this big country and it just so happens that you live close to me like that's so wild you know

it always it always gets me you know and so and so yeah uh basically he was just

being himself you know knew that a lot of people wouldn't even play those games in Portuguese to begin with but I saw

his work and I was like I have to find out who who this guy is and then I went to the zdoom forums of all places for

people that don't know zdoom and GZ Doom I basically like this family of s Sports which are basically enhanced engines to

play old computer games right and and you can you can get the source like the

source code of these games and you can adapt the source code to run on very different uh on Modern platform forms

modern operating systems and even Port them to different consoles if you want to right so there's the zdoom family of

s Sports there's the raay family of Sur Sports and stuff like that and so he translated uh not only those Sur Sports

themselves but also uh the games that uh those S Sports support right and he did

an amazing job and so I went to the Z Doom forums and I found the guy and so I sent him a private message through the

Forum right which is something that I don't usually do I just could not find any other way to contact the guy it was

it had to be through a a a private Forum message like that that is so uncommon

and he actually got back to me and accepted the invitation and then and so I invited him to my to my Discord server

and we started talking and then he told me that he was from hugu as well I was

like oh my God that is so cool and then we just talked and talked and I'm like I

have to work with this guy someday like you meet these people like don't

don't keep in contact with them try you know if you get a big project if you find something big to work on you might

not be able to handle everything by yourself so if you know other people you know give them give them a chance like

other people gave me a lot of opportunities I wouldn't be where I am today if if it was just me right and I

ck when you interviewed me in: 2020

it was all me I got here because you know I was driven and stuff like that and nowadays I I I find that very

selfish for me for uh back then you know I didn't have uh uh I wasn't mature as

mature as I am today so nowadays I see that I have to be thankful oh Alex Scott

it's okay oh he's gonna be back in a minute there he is so yeah uh that was

basically uh what I what I have to say about um uh just just trying to

find uh what you do best and people might give you a chance and if they don't find you you can find them you

know just just tell people you know talk to people tell them what you do even if it's just a friend you know I told Tyler

here what I did for a living and so he was very interested we we we recorded a

podcast episode in: 2020

podcast I enjoy his show uh he knows that my shows exist but uh I don't know if you listen at least

like a few listen to the ones that were in English in English yeah there's like four now I think in English so there

there there's some content there I might I might get other people from uh around the world as well to um record other

episodes but yeah uh we'll have to see about that but yeah you know look at you

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the [Music] show like it's so crazy to think about

that everything in life works that way man it's like this whole social network web you know networking is the word we

often use but it's like you you never know you never know when what someone you meet is going to

mean to you later like it's never for something you can really predict I mean you might meet a girl at a [ __ ] house

party and then 5 years later you might be married to that girl oh yeah you don't know you know like it might be

just like a you you might not like somebody when you meet them and then later find out that they're like the best person you've ever [ __ ] met some

of my best friends or people who I like wanted to fight when I met

them like I want I want to [ __ ] you up like I hate your [ __ ] attitude I don't like the way you're talking to me

and all that kind of [ __ ] and then like yeah you know years later like oh dude we're best friends like and it's often

times it's because like we had that interaction like I don't like you we need to talk like you need to fix your

[ __ ] and then they're like oh I didn't realize that I came across that way and then you end up having a conversation

and the next thing you know you're [ __ ] best Pals years down the road it doesn't yeah you just you got to always

be open-minded to whatever people are going to oh I was treated like that uh once uh when I when I went to S Paulo to

meet a few friends one of them basically mistreated me like saying I I don't give a [ __ ] about what

you think stuff like that and I was like what the [ __ ] and then I looked at my other friends and they were like oh no

that's just his way you know he's like that you know and and stuff like that I was like oh okay I I'll give him a chance it's like but later I found out

that it it was all a joke like he he says it in a very serious manner that

you actually believe that he's been rude to you but you he just like sometimes he

can't control himself and that's just how he he deals with some people and he thought that oh you know that guy is my

friend so I'm just going to say to him you know [ __ ] you [ __ ] you and stuff like that I was like oh okay that that was unexpected it's the first time that

I actually talk to this guy face to face and this is what uh is is coming across

right but uh after that I was like oh you know this guy this guy's all right you know I'm going to give him a chance

and now you know we we might get a chance to work together someday I don't

know I hope that we do you know I have so many friends like I met so many people dude uh when I started being a

translator so many people it's one of those things that's like uh a lot of

people's communication like the way that they measure another person when they meet them is to see how far they can

push you before you push back and that's like I and I want like I want to know

that so that I can or cannot measure if I if someone starts a conversation with you like suck [ __ ] I

don't [ __ ] [ __ ] like the way you look yeah and then you go I don't like the way you look either [ __ ] they might say like that

that might be exactly the reaction they were looking for they just like Oh no you're cool like you you'll stand up for yourself I would have respected you less

if you had just let me push you around now I know we're cool and that's not

necessarily a healthy thing to do but it is certainly common very especially amongst men I me I'm not even going to

get into how girls talk to each other because it's that's a whole different but

but especially amongst men it's like I it's not like I hate you it's like I want to know where we stand with each

other yeah um and that goes back to like shivalry even before that I mean like

you know two knights on Horseback with [ __ ] iron suits on or whatever like up up and then they come up and you know

do the whole salute thing and it's like oh you trying to [ __ ] around right now you're trying to get jousted

[ __ ] you trying to get you trying to get smacked you're trying to get in a sword fight and they're like no

dude for real I'm just trying to get to like this Castle I got to go save a princess from a dragon oh me too bro

yeah it's all like high five move on but you you want to know where you stand with somebody when you meet them and

that's perfect I think that's perfectly normal part of human uh interaction yeah I understand you know uh being uh being

not feeling very comfortable with that uh the reason that I I gave the guy a chance was because there were other

people there and they told me you know that that's just how it how he is I was like okay because if if I I think that

if I was in a one-on-one interaction with him and nobody else I would have like just looked at him in a different

way and not say anything you know because something if something bothers you uh you should you should not laugh

you know because some people some people laugh because they they they want to keep the peace right uh they don't know

how to react most of the time but you know if I think it's okay if you don't

like the way someone treats you it doesn't matter if you know them or not um because some people you know like you

said they might be testing you right they might see if you if you stand up for yourself and stuff like that but

some people don't think that way and so you might you you might even like dis make other people distance themselves

from you you might push people away because of because of this oh I'm going to I'm going to see if they stand for

your for themselves or whatnot yeah you might be pushing people away and then people are going to talk [ __ ] behind your back and a lot of and then other

people are not going to give you a chance to actually meet you this this can this can become dangerous in a way

so I don't do that and I you know some people might I actually don't agree with

that you know you should like try to make a good first impression because I mean we're all about good first

impressions we're not going to treat people like [ __ ] because we're because we're testing them out I mean not not

everyone is going to pick up that uh that thing right so

uh I I I have been treated a few times like that uh and my reaction was always like you know this guy's a dick I'm

out this is this is my reaction uh whether people uh like it or not um if

I'm on onetoone interaction with you and you start treating me like [ __ ] out of nowhere without even knowing who I am

and I don't even know who you are I was like okay you gave me a good you gave me a bad first impression I don't want if

if this is how you started uh my my my thought process is going to be if this is how you started the

conversation this is how it will end it will it will stay that way that's just how I see it right so I I avoid the rest

of the interaction and and if you any if you don't try to stop me yeah if if you

don't try to stop me then then I'm like oh okay he didn't try to stop me because

that's just who he is and he's not even apologizing or anything so okay I'm not going to waste my [ __ ] time that's

just how I see it it it might have been a good person in the beginning and uh like since the beginning and and I

didn't give them a chance but you know it just works different for me

something that they might not expect let's take like a quick five minutes so I'm gonna go to the partty grab room all

right and then all right yeah I'm not g to stop the recording so just try not

far doing yeah so I um I really wanted to

get a little bit deeper into like what your experience is translating like like

the specific games that you've done like you know you did war sou War Fork you've done stuff you a lot of voluntary stuff

like just just to get your name out there or because you cared about the community and everything it's really generous of you but like where did that

uh where did that come from so basically it all started uh

when I I always wanted to help uh in the video game industry in some way or another but I didn't know how to because

I didn't know how to make textures or sounds or modeling level

design that's me too yeah me yeah like I didn't know how to do anything uh and so

and I used to like frequent the waros forums when they were still up they they

are not up anymore unfortunately but when they were still up at the time I saw this this topic uh called This

Thread called uh help us translate the game I was like oh you know this might be interesting you know at the time I

ation at all this was back in: 2015

2015 and so I was like oh you know and I clicked there I read the whole instruction uh the whole instructions

and and my language was not listed there but in the topic it said hey if your

language is not listed you can suggest it to us we will add it to the project and then you can start working on it I

was like okay can you guys add Brazilian Portuguese you know I've never done this before so I might need some help I don't

know and I was the only one who actually got to do that uh for for war

so and so oh you know you have to create account an account on this website called one sky and it's a cat at at the

time I didn't even know what a cat was um but I created my account there I

opened the project and saw like there's there are two columns like the English colum and the the translation column you

inser you insert your translation there you can add comments to each uh segment

each string and then developers can answer uh your your comments or your

questions for example you know what the what does the what is the context of this particular string you know how how

it shows up in game and stuff like that because uh you don't always have visual context right in this case we we had

because the game was already out and everything that we were translating was basically stuff that was

already added to the game so we could just like launch the game and see for ourselves and so we could have an idea

of how of how the text would show up in game how we how we would had to go about

uh adapting all all of that into Brazilian Portuguese um and like I said

it was me at the time uh I was so excited when I when I started doing that because I just found

it I just found fun to be to do all of that and I and the and the game didn't

have a lot of like a huge work count like it's an arena FPS which is for

those of you that don't know it's basically a boomer shooter that is focused on multiplayer so think of a

game like Doom or Quake that is focused on multiplayer with intense action you know you can carry a lot of guns uh most

of the time there's no regenerating Health you can't there's Advanced movement mechanics you know bunny

hopping and Rocket jumping stuff like that um and waro is basically like a an

open source Quake 3 Clone or or rather an a cpma clone like

a cpma is a is a quake three mod like very like a very Pro Mod and

woro is basically that but instead of being a mod it was a game

and and I I had a lot of fun with that game yeah it's like it's like it's non- idian movement so uh for just to kind of

like touch base on because I know a lot of the audience is not going to understand that that's fine imagine so

so moving across in a digital world you know you every single thing you do just

like in the real world is based on like units but in the digital world is based on like square or cubic in

threedimensional World units like like this is the coordin that you're at yeah if you are moving in

Quake uh Quake 3 specifically in a normal fashion you know you go forward

you go side to side but if you're moving in a straight as in like at a nearly 45

degree angle from the point you're standing at to the diagonal of the cube

yeah or of the square however way you know whatever works for you visually if

you're you're moving diagonally you're technically moving a larger distance in the same

amount of time so if you go like look at your if you're listening to this or whatever like look at your keyboard yeah

and imagine you're going from the bottom of a key to the top of a key is not the same distance as from the bottom right

of a key to the top left of a key or from the bottom left of a key to the top right of a key so if you're strafe

jumping you will move faster than you would if if you were moving in a direct

straight line yeah and that is just like an accidental phenomenon that came up in

Quake that has been adapted upon and then uh to give a little bit more history there Quake three it's probably

the quintessential Quake game there was a mod for that as you said called cpma yeah and what it did was instead of

using the strafe jumping technique it's like you allows you to kind of move in a curve and moving in a curve you cover

even more distance yeah than you do going straight across the cube so as you

go left and right and drift you're actually gaining speed yeah even though you're only encountering the same number

of units crossed that sounds really now that I've actually said that out loud it's kind of

complicated when you don't visualize it but uh yeah what you said is is it's correct and also uh in cpma you like

what you described is basically bunny hopping like when you when you jump and when you make Curves in the air

those curve those air curves that you do are called air strafe and so uh when you

air strafe you gain speed and uh that mechanic was part of Quake one when it

released in: 1996

mechanic it's basically an accident kind of like an exploit um well it was an accident and then it became like it

became part of the game it became part of the game like now you have to have in the games identity if you if you take

that out you kill the game right uh and then strafe jumping began in Quake two

and you cannot bunny hop in Quake two as much as you try it doesn't work but you can but you you can strafe jump and in

Quake three it's also the same you can only strafe jump but with this mod the cpma mod like it changes a lot of stuff

gameplay wise like it completely rebalances the game but it adds air strafe into the game so you can Bunny

Hop and strafe jump so you can like if if you go like in a straight line you can strafe jump if you have to turn you

bunny hop and so you can go a lot faster in that so basically what we're saying

is that warau or waro whatever you want to call it is uh cpma but instead of being a mod

it's a full-fledged game and it's an open source game so everyone another thing that it does is that the games met

levels and like geometrics are designed for this movement style as opposed to Quake which was like it was not a

consideration yeah you don't you don't see a lot of qu cpma like mods like

people that make maps for that you might see some of this but in warell like you you will have curved uh ramps or

whatever or or walls that are specifically meant for you to utilize this mechanic so it's like they took it

and they made it part of the game not an unfortunate accident that you can exploit it's like if you don't know how

to use the advanced movement in warell or warfork you will not be successful against an opponent yeah whereas in

Quake It was more like the people who figured out how to strafe jump by accident had an advantage simply because

they figured it out that's that's what I was trying to say oh yeah totally yeah after people uh figured all of that

stuff out they started playing and making maps and mods around those those accident those happy happy accidents as

you know Bob Ross would call them God you know rest his soul um and so what I

was saying is that uh since this game is an open source game everybody that contributes to it is a volunteer and for

the localization process it was the same thing so I got in the project I translated it it took me a day to do

that uh and then the next day when I finished it I was like H maybe I should

review my text see if it's actually any good if there maybe if something slipped

through the cracks uh if I made a mistake and so I did that for the rest of the day so I basically finished the

whole translation in like two days right because it's not a text Heavy game and

then I told them um hey you know i' I've finished it uh how should I go about testing it it's like oh you know we we

have this new um this beta build I think it was kind of like a beta build and you

can test your translation like this and then oh you know I have to type this console command and stuff like that they gave me all the

instructions the the technical stuff and so I did that and then I saw my

translation on screen and I I will never forget that feeling when you work on something and you actually see it on the

screen and you know that other people will enjoy the game more because of that

that is a feeling that I just cannot describe it just it's like it's it's true happiness right there I was like oh

my God this is so this is so exciting and and I'm actually being useful in the

gaming world for once you know I think I found I think I I found my true calling

here and so I was just looking for other games to do the same and then I found zadic and yeah zolotic was the

second uh Arena FPS that I translated and it has a lot more words than waro

and warfork a lot more like more than 8,000 I I think which for we used to run

a lot of xotic tournaments uh in the keep for was just like getting paid to

do it and it was really really nice it's it's such an interesting game it's not one that I ever personally really got into but like just seeing yeah the the

mechanics that they use and the Improvement style that they use and everything is very very interesting and very cool game it's such a shame that

it's not more popular oh it's really a shame um I know a guy a Brazilian guy

that hosts um a server in Brazil to this day and uh there are also like two like

other two or three Brazilian service and sometimes I go there and there are people playing

actually and um which is actually uh kind of a miracle and uh I I really

enjoy zon otic and there's only one thing that I don't like about it is that it has it features regenerating Health

but it does it it doesn't do it in the same way as other modern games like Call of Duty Battlefield and stuff like that

like if you're very low on if you're on very low HP it regenerates faster but as

it regenerates your health it starts going slower so the more Health you have this the slower the

Regeneration so and you still have to look for health pickups around the map

so maybe they did that to uh ease uh the game a little bit for new players I

don't know the reasoning behind it but um the game is still very fast-paced and

and and very unique in a lot of ways for example the weapons in zolotic I think

are the I think it it what makes the game unique is its

weapons the way he the the way the game does is that every weapon has a secondary fire mode kind of like in

Unreal Tournament right and you can combine both uh fire modes and even

combo make weapon combos like you shoot with a weapon and it's faster to switch

to another instead of wait waiting for your weapon to reload so for example if you have a rocket launcher in a grenade

launcher in the game is the mortar the mortar is basically the grenade launcher so you have the rocket launcher and the grenade launcher right if you shoot a

rocket it takes less time to switch to the grenade launcher and fire it instead

of waiting for your rocket launcher to reload itself so this basically incentivizes you to uh do weapon combos

so you keep switching between between the weapons uh as you shoot uh it's really fun I love when when games

encourage you to do that like there's a lot of Boomer shooters that encourage you to do weapon combos it's really fun

um uh there's also like the rail gun which is the I think it's the vortex that when you shoot like you have

to wait for the for your shot to charge right for your for the shot to charge if

it's not charged 100% it doesn't deal full damage right and I think the full damage is around 80 so if you if you

like wait until like half of the charge you might deal like 40 or 50 damage so you need to so if you want to shoot uh

your enemy more times you will deal less damage per shot if you actually hit the guy but if you actually wait uh to

charge your shot you might you will do more damage basically so that's another

another thing about the game is like it it's it dis encourages you to spam

basically unless it's a necessity so you have to think about that like there's a lot more strategy when it comes to using

the weapons in zic compared to other Arena Shooters uh so I I think that's one of the things that makes the game

really fun uh another thing is that uh even though the game has the Rocket Jump

mechanic you know you just shoot a rocket at your feet jump at the same time and you fly towards the map uh

towards uh higher right you don't you don't you're not encouraged to do that

because there is um a weap weapon specifically designed to jump around the map which is the I think is the Blaster

right um the first weapon you have you Al you always spawn with it so if you shoot the the ground or a wall you just

get boosted to the other uh to the other side uh and it and it's actually more

effective than a rocket jump and it deals way less damage so you really don't have to rocket jump in the game

unless it's like very situational most of the time you just pull out your blaster shoot and then just like fly

around the map like you can do in warell right it's just so fun um oh I remember

when I first realized that you could uh you could basically you pistol jump in

doombringer yeah and it was the same thing was like oh I I've been trying to use the rocket launcher this whole time

like I could have just made that jump with the pistol dealt myself way less damage um for for anybody in the

audience who's listening like a rocket jump in in one of the games that we're talking about would be like you literally point a rocket launcher at

your feet and you use the explosion to propel you in the direction that you

want to go yeah so if you want to jump up you know onto a ledge or across a room or or just in you're the middle of

the firefight you have to make the mental calculation yourself is it worth the damage I'm going to take in order to

move myself to this new position yeah and you know that there's a lot of mental calculus going on when it comes

to being a great quck player which I'm not uh unfortunately it probably never will be now but yeah uh it's it's so

crazy like I just want you to take a moment like you and me right now to like really consider yeah imagine someone has

no idea what we're talking about like they've never played any of these games maybe they don't even play video games

and they're they joined this podcast because they're hearing us talk about Linguistics and like translation localization and then we're just

casually talking about quake and xotic and War cic [ __ ] they have no no [ __ ]

clue yeah it'd be like trying to explain chess to somebody who never played chess before like and it's even it's actually

far more complicated than chess because it's fast there's physics involved yeah you know it's not two

dimensional yeah and and you know I just wanted to make that clear yeah yeah no it makes a lot of sense and even uh

around the community people compare Arena fps to chess a lot um but it's

basically fastpac fastpaced because you have to have to think about where your enemy

is going to spawn how much damage he he took uh where he's going around the map

where he's positioned which item uh they're going to grab uh you have to

time when the items are going to spawn because uh different items have

different uh respawn times some items respawn after 25 seconds some items respawn after 30 seconds and so so when

you pick them up you have to look at at the time and and make the calculations oh you know 30 seconds from now this

Mega health is going to spawn again so I I have to position myself to take that

item before my enemy does so I have a I have the upper hand there's a lot of

things and it depends also on the on the map you're playing yeah like that's a big thing that I think is hard to

explain to an outsider is like you know a chess board is a chess board every single time he plays the same now

imagine a three-dimensional chess board that is always going to be different every time you play it like you might

have played on this particular map 100 times 2,000 times in my case like I'm

very confident I haven't played quake in probably over a year if you played me on blood run right now I am certain I would

be you but it's not because it's not because I'm a great quake player it's

because I know that M so intimately like it's will I know every I don't I could

probably close my eyes and walk through that map yeah me too I know that map uh a lot

um and for those of you that don't know Blood Run is is a community map um that is basic that was basically recreated in

almost every Arena shooter that you can think of I mean imagine dust two in counter- strike right dust two is

recreated in a lot of games if there is a map editor for a game or an SDK people

will recreate those two the same thing uh it's the same thing with Arena Shooters you have classic Maps like

blood run and you have campgrounds from uh Quake 3 you have AOK aaok from I

think it was in Quake one I I don't remember the first game Arrow walk I believe came along after Quake one and

it was retroactively introduced into Quake okay yeah yeah but it's a it now

is considered like a standard map like if you're having a tournament for Quake world it's one of the standard Maps even

though it was created after the fact and by Community map yeah most of the community maps are are what people play

nowadays for for arena Shooters um if you play Quake 3 uh there's a lot of uh

official Maps but we have to be honest most of them people just don't play on them because they're not really that

good uh if and if you go to the the community like there are so many good maps out there if you go to Quake live

quake live which is basically like the updated version of Quake 3 that runs on Modern systems and and stuff like that

it used to run on a browser remember that that was a long time ago I was GNA Say the original appeal was that it ran

on the browser yeah and then it was like it be I guess it was when they released

it on Steam that it became like kind of just the it's just Quake 3 plus essentially essentially yeah it doesn't

have like the same um like mod support and stuff like that from uh as as in

Quake 3 but a lot a lot more people play Quake live nowadays um even in South America

you can find people playing Quake life mostly playing CL Clan Arena which is one of the game modes that features uh

that is can you explain what Clan or Clan Arena means to The Outsider yeah basically Clan Arena uh think of think

of it like in counter- strike it's a round based uh the standard mode is a round based game mode if you die you

have to wait for the next round to start in CL is the same thing but you spawn

with all weapons um armored up with uh

like 100 Health 100 Health something like that I think it depends on the game so you have a lot of a lot of Health a lot of Armor All of the weapons a lot of

ammo and you have to wipe out the other team uh in this round based mode so if

you kill all the other opponents you win the round and and and it keeps going

like that I think it also uh you don't deal self damage so you can Rocket Jump

to your heart's content without taking damage and that's that's makes it really fun because then you can like Rocket

Jump Around the map and you know shoot shoot like rocket jump from the ground

and then you can like shoot a rocket at a wall and then Propel you forward you know you can do all sorts of of stuff uh

doing that because you don't have to worry about your health uh you don't take self damage in that mode but yeah

um that's basically what K breake live is it's like an updated version of Quake 3 Quake 3 came out in

on something like that around: 2008

know um would have to Google about that uh but yeah it it it used to be a

browser game uh you would have to log in uh into your account and then uh the the

game will would like download some files onto your computer so you could actually

play the game so the browser your web browser would basically be your launcher it's how you would launch the game but

you would need to have some files pre-installed on your computer like that's it's not all magic and uh and

then it became a standalone game on Steam after I think it was

around: 2020

years to it become Standalone and then uh at the time it was a freeo playay

game with a subscription based model if you if you paid monthly you could get

like more hosting options and stuff like that you could have your host your own server and have a lot of other uh

options there but it wasn't a requirement to actually play the game and then when it became when it became Standalone on Steam it it became a paid

game so you would have to actually buy the game but if you had it like um if you had an account or download it or

something like that you wouldn't you wouldn't need to pay it again so yeah that's what Quake live is

there's a lot of other Boomer Shooters out there other Arena Shooters uh I've translated a few of

them I have to check my um you

my yeah you know Adam Adam pile he goes by sink error on the internet oh yeah

but he was yeah so he was just like a dude you know he had a family all that

kind of [ __ ] he made a entered into a mapping I

really want to get him on a [ __ ] podcast one day like I think he's one of the most admirable human beings I've

ever seen I I don't know him that deeply but like we've always had a good relationship based on quate yeah and

it's like he entered into a contest to make a map for Quake live yeah you know

won the contest they included his game or sorry his his level in the actual

release and then he ends up working for ID software and designing Quake

Champions himself and I don't even know what else he does it in software that I

mean I have to assume that's not the only thing he does it's just like that's what he's known for yeah but like just

think it like because we were talking earlier about like you know you never know where like life's going to take you what opportunities are going to come up

like but yeah just being obsessed you know people I remember being a little kid and like my grandpa or my

grandmother being like you're wasting your time playing those video games and all this kind of [ __ ] you need to go outside and not that I didn't spend a

lot of time outside because trust me I did probably way more than I actually played video games and still to this day

that's still true yeah but it's like I remember you know Grandma and Grandpa saying like that's a waste of time or

whatever and then like this dude's whole career stemmed from him just being obsessed with this weird game making a

level for it entering a contest and now he's got a job yeah that's like exactly

what he wanted to be doing the whole time that that's amazing that's so beautiful that is so yeah I I completely

agree you and this is a phenomenon that has been going on for maybe 30 years

since the '90s uh people would get hired because of the maps and mods they

developed I mean Tim Tim Willets was hired by It software for making a

community map for Doom for Doom and then he became the designer you know of many of some of the greatest levels of all

time in Doom 2 uh in Quake 2 specifically like his The Edge is one of

the best arena shooter Maps ever made oh for Quake 2o yeah I remember that one yeah yeah I mean and then you and then

that took him like T I got to get Tim on the podcast talk CU like a I worked with him a lot at Drey Realms because he's at

saber who own 3y Realms down yeah but he like he took his hobby of being a modder

for a game making fan levels and now he is like the corporate Overlord of

saber yeah like he like the course of like 20 years or whatever he went from being a guy who made a map to a guy who

gets to move millions of dollars now based on how he thinks a video game is

going to work out or not in its development yeah and that is amazing amazing I love that culture I

love that um that because of its software and and even valve software we

have those tools provided to us so we can uh create that content

and maybe turn that into a career uh so that that is so amazing that's been

happening though since the 90s like um people who worked there was a guy I

don't remember his name now but the guy that worked on unreal AI the unreal game

that came out in: 1998

for Quake one yeah so he worked on Quake one

creating AI for for multiplayer Bots and so um I think it was Cliff bazinsky at

the time that found that out or maybe it was like I think it was one of uh the

the Epic employees at the say names I gotta get cliff on the podcast too yeah I still I think I don't remember if it

was him or another employee that that uh called him at the time and said oh you know we got to hire this guy you know

this guy made a a a bot mod for Quake one won and you know we should hire him to make the the unreal Ai and so that's

what happened and and still to this day after 26 years people uh commend the AI

of unreal because it it's like you're you're shooting another human being like

they strafe around they jump they they try to dodge your your projectiles like

the time and it's a game from: 1998

that was developed back in the late mid mid to late 90s is still it's still used

today so relevant today so relevant today it's like that no one has topped it really like the the triaa games

industry cannot it's almost like trying to rebuild the pyramids like you really can't yeah you don't know how they did

it like John John carag went from being a dude who would like you know basically

use chemicals to break locks and steal computers to being you know the one of

the greatest game designers of all time one of the greatest programmers who ever lived at it software yeah and then he

went on to become a literally a rocket scientist and to work on VR for meta

yeah and that all just like I I really want to drive this home to anybody listening to the audience like whatever

the [ __ ] you're interested in just do that yeah just do it like um I was

thinking about this earlier because you were talking about like how we were talking about like people who listen to your podcast or whatever that you meet

in in real life and stuff and it's like it's not just that it's people like you people like Ben reichstein who come to

me and said like you inspired me to start my own podcast my advice to anybody who doesn't want to be an

engineer or a [ __ ] doctor don't waste your time going to

school like go don't go into especially in America don't go into debt to go to college yeah start a podcast like if

you're interested in something start a podcast of about that subject even if it doesn't get a lot of

views or anything like that you the networking you're going to have is far more valuable oh yeah than a college

diploma and if some you like it like so you you come to me you apply for a job

and in the key and I'm like what are your qualifications you show me your CV yeah and it says like oh I went to

school for four years for I don't know programming or level design or whatever the [ __ ] something like that GE geometry

I don't [ __ ] care if you came to me and you said here's 10,000 hours of me having

one-on-one conversations with some of the greatest level designers who've ever lived because that's what we're

into I don't I don't need to trust your [ __ ] piece of paper anymore exactly like your your diploma is just a college

that said that you completed all the courses if you can show me that you actually had these

conversations and I could see in real time how you learned and what you learned on your podcast that's

far far more valuable and it's way more actual proof of what you can and can't do exactly

um it's it's huge and and for you to see if because I I got into this whole thing

originally in the KE podcast was just about Arena Shooters and then it became about Boomer Shooters and then it became

about indie games and then it became about like [ __ ] I'm gonna have a comedian on and I got really sick of that so I had to change it yeah I I I

always felt like I was alienating my audience if I did anything different than what I had originally set out to but the the truth is I just I just want

to have conversations yeah but then like you starting your podcast where it's like I'm gonna make my own podcast it's

just about localization and I'm going to talk to people who translate games incredibly Niche probably not the

world's biggest [ __ ] market for that yeah still totally worth you doing been

doing the field and Foley podcast which is part of the in the cube Network yeah wi in the.com

um so he he is a sound designer and he just goes out and finds the best sound

designers in the world and starts talking to them you know and it's like you have an excuse it's not just like hey would you mind talking to me for an

hour it's like hey I have a podcast about sound design you're a great sound designer would you like to and what he

and neither he nor I really predicted was that you know sound designers don't ever get

interviewed no one ever how many times have you ever heard of of someone interviewing the sound designer for like

a [ __ ] huge Hollywood movie and then Ben has people on who were like talking

about when they made Mad Max you know when they made you know

like some some of these great not just games like movies triple A whatever the [ __ ] and sometimes that's crossplatform

like some it's like a guy who's like I do sound design for games I do sound design for TV I do sound design for movie whatever the [ __ ] we could have

never foreseen that but since he took that leap to make that podcast happen

yeah it's amazing it's beautiful it's incredible and he's he's learning from

talking to the best in the business they're learning to be more open to networking uh his podcast is a huge

success so far and for him to say to me you inspired me to start my own podcast

I'm like dude all I ever wanted to do was just talk about [ __ ] qua yeah yeah it was unexpected and it's

beautiful to see uh he basically saw an opportunity to do something that other people were were not doing and so it it

was the same thing for me uh no one was doing the same thing and I and I interview translators and also uh voice

actors as well I I I I I interviewed a few of them and I always try to expand and you know maybe someday I will

interview like um owners of language service providers you know uh or project

managers I I I can expand as much as I want and and I want to do that in the future and I want to get uh big names

like big voice uh like dubbing actors uh from Brazil if if one day I can do that

I know that that the episode is going to blow up um like the like the sergeant

markv episode which is actually a good episode you guys should listen to it you know the the the modder behind brutal

Brutal Doom and also Bruto fate Brazilian by the way so yeah uh it's

like you said it's a good excuse because uh it's easier for for you to convince

them that they should talk to you if you have a podcast like it's way more of a

reason because uh at the end of the day you're actually helping the guy as well like um the you're helping them uh have

a voice you're giving them a platform they don't have to do anything they just have to talk to you you're going to do

the recording you're going to do the editing and the marketing and everything all the other guy has to do is like oh

you know I'm just going to share the episode on on my Twitter or or whatever

my social media accounts when when the episode goes live but everything else is

the other guy's responsibility in in in in our case it's it's my responsibility your responsibility Alex's

responsibility they have to do all the uh the behind the curtain stuff so like

it's it's really hard to say no unless you're a really shy person and I had a

lot of PE some people not not a whole lot of people but some people uh deny uh

my invitation CU my cell phone here deny my invitation because they they felt

like they they didn't know how to speak publicly or maybe they would feel not

comfortable being recorded or you know they're just too shy and stuff like that I was like okay you know I have to

respect that it it's a yes or no question if it's a no it's okay but I always let them know that hey the doors

are still open if you change your mind you can just you can just call me you just say hey you know that podcast and

are still interested yeah I'm still interested you know if I like you I like what you do the the doors are always

open and so yeah yeah I've always had a strict policy of you know like it let's

say that you record a podcast with me yeah and you regret what you said or

something like that I will take it down like I will I there's so many people out there that are like gotcha like Sergeant

Mark forward being a good example where you know people would do an interview with him and then like edit it make it

look like an [ __ ] and then release it on purpose because they're trying to get views and I was like no dude if you

don't like it I'm gonna first of all I'm gonna give you the recording before I publish it and if you if you have any

issues with it I'll edit it out or I will take it the [ __ ] down I will not publish something that you're not proud of because I'm not gonna be proud of

that yeah like I'm not gonna feel good about myself if I'm making somebody feel like they're just being exploited or

like they're you know like misrepresented or anything like that that's horrible yeah no one should do that anybody and it's

like for what for some YouTube views for a [ __ ] you know who cares no that's lack

of in there's some real that's like there's some real dickwads out there in the content creation world who will

absolutely do that to

you yeah we're we're going there again going way don't have we don't have to go that but I just mean like don't

yeah's just leave don't be someone who just exploits people for [ __ ] views yeah that's [ __ ]

yeah no I don't do that either it's very better to have a good relationship with people and be a good person I had to uh

actually take an episode down once um because the guy told me hey I think I

said something that was uh that was that was not supposed to be said because it's

behind an n and I was like oh okay you know uh and and he and he suggested me

to me hey let's record another episode I was like you know what let's do it this

other way uh I'm gonna re gonna take the episode Down I'm GNA re-edit it I'm G to

take all of that stuff down uh all uh I'm going to take out all the stuff that you said that you don't want to be there

I'm going to send you the episode again and then you will let me know if I missed something if I if I missed

something then you just tell me and then I'll go there and and edit it again and then after that after all the edits I'm

going to re-upload and republish that episode podcast that podcast episode I

was like oh you know yeah that's that's a better idea and so I did that and so I I reworked on that episode because of

that and that episode was actually reworked twice uh that was one of the

reasons because he said some stuff that uh was protected by NDA so I had to

reedit the episode and then a second time uh was because my recording was

messed up like my voice recording was at maximum volume and for people that don't

know how microphone microphones work if you do that it's going to [ __ ] up the quality of your of your voice recording

so sometimes you have to lower it a little bit like obviously it depends on on your setup it depends on your mic it

has a lot of other factors but for my my setup I have to record like at around

80% volume if I record it at 100% it [ __ ] up the quality of my voice and so

before recording I didn't notice that it was at 100% so I recorded that whole

episode with my voice all [ __ ] up right and so when I when I listened to

that I was like bro I can I I just refuse to just uh publish an episode

with my voice like that like that's not professional at all at least if you compare it to the other episodes that I

published where where I was actually careful about

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so what I did was this I re-recorded all of my voice lines as if

I was like like talking to the guy again as as I as if as I was dubbing myself

right I told you about my experience with Andrew holel right did you uh what

was it like I I want I want you to finish I want you to finish your story but I if keep going and then I'm gonna

tell you about Andrew holel if not the first time you've ever heard it at least you know to talk about in the air for

once yeah I think I was finished is basically I had to like re-record

everything that I said obviously with a good quality now so it was a lot of work

a lot of editing that went behind that for one episode yeah because you know some we have technical um problems and

stuff like that you know a lot of episodes that people listen to they they don't see all that work that goes behind

recording an episode it's not just grab the recording put a [ __ ] intro there in an outro and you're done with it no

you have to edit each track you have to cut a lot of stuff out sometimes stuff

that you shouldn't even say publicly or you know maybe there's a lot of coughing

or a lot of uh maybe you talk [ __ ] about a very particular content creator that

you don't like yeah or sometimes you talk too close to the microphone all the time you know and stuff like that

exactly like yeah you know there's um a lot of other reasons a lot of things that you have to take out uh the edit it

out yourself or maybe you pay someone else to do it uh you know if you have the money to do that and you have to do

all of that for the episode to actually be comfortable to listen to right and so

and audio quality is also another Factor so that's that's why I bought this microphone in the first place uh you're

so yeah typically I use an at: 2020

with a bearinger sound card yeah but I uh because I just moved to Arizona I

didn't want to bring everything that I had with me from Alabama on the plane to

Arizona so I just brought the yeti for now and then when we go to South Carolina uh in a few months I don't for

whoever's listening to this might already be done but yeah you know we'll just swing through grab all my stuff

when we move everything and then go on our way yeah uh so that at that point I'll have the

the full podcast set up webcams and all that kind of [ __ ] like for now I'm just kind of like minimal you know like just

what I need to get the job done so yeah I'm using a Blue Yeti I've had it for years it's a it's not the best

microphone in the world uh it's really hard to like

gauge what people's standards are yeah cu a Blue Yeti is a perfectly serviceable

microphone yeah for a content creator of pretty much any kind like it's a it's a USB it has game control it has volume it

even has headphone support uh you can mute it um it's it's an excellent USB

microphone is it a I'm I'm throwing up my my quotation marks in the a is it a

microphone compared to the at: 2020

the average person Really Gonna notice the difference probably not probably not it's really more about more about me and

like my friends who really care about audio Yeah uh I'm not a very uh audio

technical guy uh so I bought this one because it seemed good enough uh it was

uh uh in a good price range that I could afford at the time uh it's also

USB and it it it FS my needs basically it fulfills my needs uh I might buy a

new microphone at some point but you know there's not it's not

just my voice it's it's also like the other person's voice sometimes they have a shitty microphone and there's not much

you can do uh sometimes and sometimes when I when they have a shitty microphone what what actually bus Prout

uh said in a tutorial video is that oh if you have a uh um an interviewee that

has a shitty microphone you you can tell that hey can you use your your smartphone instead because that will

sound better and I was like oh my God I should have I should have known that before I recorded some people with like

the shittiest microphones ever and I don't blame them for the mic that they had uh it's just quality to in my

experience it's not even like the fact that their microphone sucks it's like background noise or like a lack of

filtering or something like that yeah I've had I've had great guests who had really really terrible microphone

quality or background noise or like you know have a radiator or air conditioner in the room or fan yeah whatever and I

pretty much like became an expert on doctoring audio for that reason because I was like I'm never gonna

sacrifice the the conversation but that's something that I think

podcasters don't think about enough is that you really think about what you

listen to you know think about the podcast that you listen to think about the radio shows that you listen to where

you literally have people like calling out on phones or whatever and it's like you have this idea in your head that

everything needs to be perfect it really doesn't it just needs to be serviceable what we were talking about earlier about

like a translation like as long as nobody's complaining why would I change anything yeah uh you know is maybe

there's a few words here and there that are like stupid or wrong or whatever but as long as someone gets the gist of what the game is tell I'm trying to tell them

to do they can still play it um as long as the podcast audio is not so bad that someone turns it off because of it

annoying background noise or whatever I'm happy I'm satisfied yeah that's all I need uh would I like for it to be the

Lex Freedman podcast of course but it's not necessary in order to be successful

or at least to just get people to not literally turn off your show yeah

um yeah so basically uh being minimalistic nowadays Works in a lot of

in a lot of uh content creation videos basically uh for example nowadays we

have Instagram and Facebook and and Tik Tok and you see that uh a lot of a lot of people make videos using their

smartphone and nothing else like maybe they have a tripod and the micro and a in a cell phone and that's what and

that's all they need and some minimalistic editing here and there some some cuts and that's all they need and

they have like what hundreds of thousands of followers or something like that like nowadays uh a lot of people

realize that last is more so that's just something we have to get used to and you and you and you

mentioned audio quality that might make you drop the podcast altoe right I think

I told you once uh that I I was listening to a a translation podcast I'm

not going to say the name here but the audio quality was all over the place I

could not listen to it for more than 5 minutes it literally Al hurt my ears

because the the like it I could notice all of those different tracks and they

were so um unleveled like the quality was

different the volume of each track was different so it escalated right and like it I felt

uncomfortable just by listening to it I was like what the [ __ ] am I listening to like didn't these people like at least

like wore like a like headphones or earpods or something like that to have an idea of how it would sound because

most people use uh earpods uh or headphones to to listen to something to

music or to a podcast and so uh that's why I don't use my my my computer

speakers for that like I I think does it justice yeah so I I personally tend to

listen to podcasts while I'm running or you know doing stuff yeah but a lot of

the time it was like I'm I'm literally like I'm running uh it's one of my favorite things in the world to do it's

I absolutely love like a good jog on a hot day or whatever yeah and I would be listening to a podcast on my

phone while I'm doing that and you you know there are standards for the output

volume of phones and all that sort of thing and as a podcaster you need to be aware of like how do people consume your

product yeah you know where do they listen to it how do they listen to it and the assumption is generally like you

know you're you're at a desktop or you're you're on your phone you're on Spotify but you have headphones or earpods or something like that yeah I at

the time now I've I've become a headphone person since then but I was like I'm not [ __ ] putting anything on

my ears I'm running I don't want [ __ ] falling off my head I don't want to be adjusting this thing or whatever I just want to like have my phone in my hand

and I can hear it um and there were some great podcasts that were so so good

content but had not obviously figured out the

standards for audio quality I wrote a DM

to Eric Weinstein

about his podcast it was just called the portal it's highly anybody out there who's listening to this like it's one of

the best podcasts ever made content wise but it was obvious to me that he didn't

understand or at least his editor whoever the [ __ ] was putting it out did not understand normalization yeah uh

which is which is to say that like you and I are both recording in two different locations on two different

microphones uh you might be louder or quieter than I am and then when I put the two audios together it's my job to

make sure we're balanced so that it's not like a a person listening to this is going to hear like you shouting

basically and me Whispering yeah or vice versa so I wrote him like a t of

paragraphs about like you what what you need to do is like normalize yourself to like basically this number of you know

negative number of lusts it's just like this is the podcasting standard it will work on a phone you don't need to have

people like putting in headphones to listen to you and I'm writing you this because I just got done with a run I was

desperately trying to listen to your conversation with somebody and I [ __ ] couldn't hear it because it's not loud

enough for my phone yeah and that's not like of course the he could he could

respond to that and say just buy a pair of headphones but I would say make it as accessible as humanly possible no matter

what someone's equipment is yeah so that they can hear what you're talking about and enjoy it yeah

comfortably it's the same with games like with UI with with anything like you want the lowest barrier of Entry

possible for whatever it is that you're trying to get people to pay attention to yeah because they could just be playing

fortnite yeah like if I'm trying to get a kid to

play Quake or Doom or whatever I'm like okay well you need to download Z Damon you download this mod and move file from

you wide over to the blah blah blah blah blah and at the same in the 45 minutes

of time that it's going to take to explain that to them and get them to do it they could have just played fortnite yeah that's what we're up

against oh totally um at least uh for the Quake side of things you know Quake

one has the end Quake package which comes with um it comes with a cport it

comes with graphical mods not to be confused with net Quake yeah it's something completely different but basically n Quake is a is a starter

package you download n quake and you're playing Quake online that simple as it is because it comes with everything and

it's totally legal because it comes with a shareware version of Quake for those

of you that don't know shareware is basically the old term for demo now nowadays we have game demos uh back in

the 90s we had shareware and you get like a chunk of the game for free and if you wanted to

buy the complete the complete Game you would just like uh uh like call them and

and mail and get the game by mail or you know go through a or go to a a game

store so it comes with shareware uh of Quake it comes with a a

multiplayer Source Port which is easy Quake um some other uh optional mods it

comes with an installer so it's pretty easy to do like you can like set your name there and set where you want to

install the game the directory and everything like it's so easily uh done and it's very very intuitive and

then after that you install it it creates a shortcut on your desktop you just uh launch it and play it there's a

server browser right there and and I think that's that's amazing and that package is still uh updated to this day

because the installer like it downloads some stuff to your computer so it's always grabbing the most updated uh

assets and files um there there's something like that for Quake 2 as well I think that's

like the Quake 2 starter or Quake 2 starter pack I think it's from the same

guys as jiar from his website right I think so let's take a look is this play

yeah tasty spin tasty splin yeah Quake 2 starter yeah tasty

splin right there so if you want to play quick 2 it it comes with everything you

need uh it's not it's not opening up for me I think I'm going to have to like set

up a VPN or something but anyway so in in the last

because we don't have too much more time yeah uh I got to ask have you ever seen

anything you can't explain like have you ever had a metaphysical or paranormal experience of any oh wow you seen a UFO

have you seen a ghost have you seen them something you couldn't no I I never

had an experience like that I had I had a a a kind of kind of scary experience

when I yeah there there's a name for that I can't remember the name for this phenomena right now but like you're

you're you're in your bed uh you're late you're laid down right and you like sort

of wake up like half wake up like you can open your eyes but you cannot

move I that's the only sleep paralysis sleep paralysis that's the term I was looking for yeah so I had that once in

my life and and I kept hurting about it before I had that experience but when it actually happened I was like you know I

can open my eyes like like half open them and then I can see my body and I

cannot move my body and so I stayed there for like five seconds and then I was like you know just jump the bed was

like oh okay now oh I can't move my body okay so I was really scared like what

the [ __ ] just happened like how how can I open my eyes when I cannot move like that it was it's very interesting I I

don't think that I've ever had sleep paralysis I've certainly had really weird experiences you know during or

waking up from sleep though um it's that's one of those things that sleep

paralysis comes up with so many different things of course it's like a psychological thing it's like a normal

pattern of behavior that happens with people yeah and then there's like a lot of it is centered around

people being like that I was I woke up I couldn't move and then I was abducted by aliens or I was you know staring at the

Devil at the end of my bed or a demon or what it's so interesting how like the human mind works and it like it

processes those things and it's like you don't know if you're dreaming or if you're awake so you don't know if what you saw was there or if it was just part

of your mind making sense of things uh so cool like it's very very interesting

I'm sorry that happened to you obviously but like also it was kind of scary it's fascinating it was kind of scary but but

after that I was like oh my God that's actually very interesting I didn't even know that such a thing was possible and

you mentioned you know uh if I seen if I have seen any Paranormal Activity uh I

think my mom saw a ghost some someday when she was a kid told me that story uh

and that that the ghost basically like evaporated like that like in front of her eyes I was like oh okay so that's

that's very scary and I also know a few people and you know some people might not believe that I I am not a religious

religious person or a spiritual person you know with that knowledge but I know people that can see things that other

people cannot see um for sure um my like I this is

going to be a running thing of the show CU I've really got to get my mom to do an episode but my mother has like

actually sawv police cases with media medium [ __ ] she she actually

like whether it's true or not I can't prove it you know I didn't experien what she experienced but like there would be

like a huge case like I remember there's this one time I had to get her to talk about it yeah but this man had thrown

his children off of a bridge in New Orleans um and they all drowned of course it was a horr horrible you know

case but it was very big deal in the area at the time like New Orleans is right next to mobile like they're right

next to each other that's where I grew up and my mom said that she had heard the the like so they found the

first two bodies yeah and they were still searching for like the I think it was the youngest girl and then she told

me that she just kind of like woke up and felt like she needed to go to New

Orleans to like stand on that bridge and kind of like get their Vibe for it and I was like that's crazy but literally in

the middle of the night heard my stepdad got in the car and drove to New Orleans stood on the bridge and she said when I

was there the little girl SPO was saying I'm not here I'm not here and then she

was like okay so they're not gonna find her here so she like had told the cops like you're not gonna like stop wasting

your time because you're not going to find her here they found her in the Mobile Bay a few days later

damn and it was like my my mom had like helped to find out how to recover this

little girl's body who had been murdered and I don't again I don't [ __ ] I did not

experience this myself it was just more like from the outside end but like I as like you said it it's pretty apparent to

me that people have experiences we were talking about that earlier with empathy even like senses that are not common or

at least everyone doesn't share or intuitions it doesn't necessarily have to be like a six sense like in the

movies or whatever like but like some sort of intuition that leads them to be able to come to conclusions that you

would not be able to otherwise logically yeah and that's insane to me yeah that's

insane like that's so crazy so crazy yeah I've heard a lot of stories about

um you know people listening to to dead people talk to them you know um finding

a lot of a lot of information that they wouldn't have been able to share because

they were dead and no one would be able to listen to them aside from uh these

people with gifts these these gifted people so I I think it's am shining yeah

people yeah like very very and there are also you know emotional stories uh based around all

all of that pretty pretty interesting stuff I know a few people like that

um uh yeah but I don't have a lot of any of those experiences myself never had

that I only know a few people that had those experiences and I and I listen to them

and you know the first time that you listen to something like that in your life you might not believe it you might

think you know they're lying to you it's all [ __ ] but if you if you keep

listening to those stories from different people different perspectives you you may start to

believe that you may see a pattern you may see like oh you know this actually makes sense

you know this whether or not it's actually like you saw a ghost or you were abducted by it or anything you know

whether or not that's literally true yeah I am so fascinated by the sheer

number of people who report the same thing and then you're like it's like oh well you can't prove

it okay yeah like what would you like me to prove like how would I prove it photographic evidence you know like some

kind of radio signal I don't know you didn't to give them something that shows them like this really happened or at

least there was a phenomenon that could be measured but it's like the nature of what you're describing is something that

would be beyond our ability to detect and record so does that mean that you're

a because the biggest thing is there's a huge difference between somebody who's lying like theyve made it up for

attention and someone who legitimately had an experience maybe they're crazy

maybe they're a little bit off I don't know but they did have this experience because they're they're clearly not

lying when they say that they saw or felt or heard what they did yeah and that that's so it and to me that's a

really easy determination to make like I can tell usually when someone's just making [ __ ] up versus when it's like no

you really seem like you had this experience like or Le at least you believe you that is interesting that's

so fascinating yeah maybe like the the tone of their voice or their body langage which might give all of that

away if they're saying the truth or not yeah I was listening to a podcast

earlier it was it was a actually Coast to Coast AM with George Nory it was it's great great podcast Radio Show you could

check out but he was interviewing this guy who was like basically saying that he had a connection with these like

mantis looking aliens um and like so that nor was like

can we talk to them and he's like yes and he's like I will Channel them through my voice and then the guy

like all of life is Bal you he was like speaking as if he were the aliens

talking to George Nory yeah now this dude might literally just be [ __ ] batshit crazy out of his mind that's a

very that's that's most likely the possibility yeah but he didn't seem like he was lying he seemed like he was

having an experience and because we can't measure that experience in the real world or with with the tools we

have have I don't know if we should just dismiss everything he says maybe he has

a point maybe even if he didn't there's no aliens let's say there's no mantis [ __ ] you know insectoid is the

technical term I think that ethologists use yeah um none of that let's say none

of that's true is the message that he's bringing from these aliens that he

believes that he's talking to useful probably yeah because his message

was all about like we're all in the same VI ation we're all supposed to love each other all you know like n of this is wrong it's just like where did the

message come from maybe he misunderstands where the message maybe the message comes from God and he just thinks that he's talking to it anything

I don't know yeah and it's not for me to determine but it's so fascinating and I really want to like with this new kind

of like version of the podcast like get deeper into the full realm of human experience

as opposed to just like what's it like to be a video game designer whatever yeah like like you said you should you

should bring your mom and tell tell that story because I think it would be really

interesting to she's got lots of stories that that's just one of the ones that always comes to mind but like dude my mom is crazy like she's so cool yeah my

mom too like she she knows like my mom and my dad they have no no

college degree but I don't have a college degree either I I went to college but I never finished it uh but

they they are so knowledgeable like they my mom didn't even finish middle school

I think and but she's so knowledgeable about for

example uh law the law itself uh she can talk to a lawyer and sometimes the

lawyer uses like technical terms and stuff that she actually understand what it means and yeah and the lawyers would be

like how the [ __ ] do you know all of that like you don't even have you don't even study law you didn't even go to law

school like what is this like she she she reads contracts and and all that

stuff all the legal stuff that she had to like uh uh solve when she was still

working uh she she has retired a few years a few years now uh but at the time

you know she she would just like go in and and and study that [ __ ] and understand it and same thing with

psychology like she understand a lot about psychology she never even studied it by herself I mean she

just learns by by experience and uh I would say that oh what's the

word she's semi-illiterate but she maybe that you got that

autodidact part of you like that self-taught yeah part of you from her

yeah like you know uh for example she she didn't finish Middle School uh you might consider her semi-illiterate

but she come she makes up in other areas you know so she's very intelligent and I told my

mom hey you have a pretty good foundation to just like

go uh that way or the other way like if you want to study law or if you want to study psychology like you can you if you

want to you can do that but at the same time I don't like to be that guy who's just like oh you know you should do this

you should do this all the time like uh at at the end of the day it's her life like if she wants to do it she she she

she'll she'll do it otherwise uh uh I just don't like uh

telling people what they should do um because I had that U for me like for

example my my dad and my brother used to tell me oh you know you should like uh go to

this school or study this subject or do this and my brother would say oh you know maybe you should translate uh

what's the word in English is a term I forgot I forgot uh right now but

know there are different um uh fields that you can uh get into when it comes to translation right and

so he said oh you know you should you should go to this this field right here because it pays well and I was like okay

but I'm not interested in that I'm gonna I'm going to do something that I that I enjoy doing and just because of the high

high pay high payload like um a a high paycheck no I don't uh that's not how I

work that's not how I function right yeah if I'm G to spend 40 hours a week

for every week for the rest of my life doing something it has to be something that I like doing I'd rather make less money and do what I love than I would to

have a lot of money and then suffer for just doing [ __ ] that doesn't doesn't interest totally and that's how foret

about not interesting like people break their backs you know people are like literally like swinging [ __ ] P

pickaxes you know mining ore or whatever gold like you know Cobalt yeah for money

because they need the money and I'm like that's a horrible way to spend a lifetime yeah you could do so much

better yeah it I I only like would work in something that I don't enjoy if it

was for survival purposes like I am in like this huge hole and the only way for

me to survive is to like I don't know work at McDonald's or something like that and so yeah that's that's that's

reasonable that's understandable uh at least for a while and if I can you know change careers do something else that's

great but I yeah oh it's it's amazing it's amazing

it's really really tasty yeah delicious so uh I am very fortunate to be in a

position where I can choose what I want to do I can choose um if I want to work

on something or not so yeah I am very fortunate like I am so so lucky you know

compared to other people we both are man we liveed a simp

simply Charmed kind of life I would say that maybe I should throw that song in to the edit yeah um it's been about

three hours now so I think we should probably like wrap it up holy [ __ ] this great let's definitely do it again man

you're always it's always a pleasure to talk to you it's always like I always learn something new or you know maybe

several new things every time we speak but you're you're amazing you're what you do is important what you do is like

so helpful to many people and I hope that we get the chance to continue to work together and be friends for the

rest of our lives oh thank you thank you for having me thanks for all the the kind words and likewise I hope that we

can still do this yeah thank you

[Music] byebye yo thank you to M for coming on

the show and having such a great conversation yet again always always a pleasure always something to learn from

that guy uh if you speak Portuguese definitely go check out his show uh lock

jump podcast it's all about localization and translation and you know he's

Portuguese well Brazilian Portuguese so that's what they're going to speak in I can't understand it but there are some

English episodes that are worth listening to so uh give them a shout uh thank you for supporting if you want to

support you can go over to ineke keep.com there's a whole support tab with all kinds of different ways the main one is is patreon of course so

thank you to our current active members Shannon Aunt Michael Fred Brad and dots

and to the rest of you that are on the free tier if you want these episodes early just go ahead and get ready to

start cranking them out because that's what I'm going to do and uh yeah just jump on anytime you want anybody out

there listening thank you so much for doing so and uh I want to say another shout to this amazing theme song by John

of the shred wonderful absolutely awesome still super stoked if you're listening to the show you're going to

have to get used to listening to this song because it's going to be in every episode at the beginning and the end as

usual um I don't really have much else to say other than uh I love you God

loves you stay in the keep

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