This podcast episode delves into the storied history of the Green Bay Packers, particularly highlighting their remarkable 1936 championship season. The discussion features esteemed historian Bob Swick, who provides profound insights into the dynamics of a team that not only boasted four future Hall of Famers but also exemplified a groundbreaking balance between offense and defense in an era dominated by a more rudimentary style of play. We explore the significance of Coach Curly Lambeau's leadership and the pivotal role played by legendary athletes such as Arnie Herber and Don Hudson. As we recount the Packers' triumph over the Boston Redskins, we consider the broader implications of their success within the context of the NFL's early years. This exploration serves not only to inform but also to celebrate the enduring legacy of one of football's most iconic franchises.

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Eyes are on the grin iron well, and you know where The Green Bay packers have traveled to the Big Apples Polo Ground Stadium to do battle with the Boston Redskins.

That's right, folks.

The packers, led by the legendary Curly Lambeau and coach Ray Flaherty's Redskins are meeting to settle who was the top dog in the professional game.

We're prepared for reports of bone jarring tackles and passes that soar like eagles.

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The world was on a brink.

But at the Polo Grounds, a different type of storm was brewing.

Not of war, but of football.

A storm of leather helmets, bone jarring tackles, and a team hungry for glory.

Let's review.

The Chicago Bears and the Portsmouth Spartans met because they both had unusual records.

The Bears were 6:1 and 6, Portsmouth.

Was 6:1 and 4.

So we eliminated that.

And so those were decided to be the two best teams.

But the Green Bay packers actually had an 8 and 4 record that year.

A little bit better than Detroit in the West Division.

But Detroit had a better winning percentage.

Because of the ties.

They didn't count the ties, so they gave them a little bit better winning percentage.

Coach Curly Lambeau once said, let's act like champions.

Let's practice like champions.

Let's play like champions.

Let's be like champions.

And we have that story of that season in this episode with our guest historian who is the founder of Gridiron Greets magazine and the Green Bay packers stockholder, Bob Swick.

Well, it's an interesting season.

There were only nine, 10 teams that played that year in the NFL, and the packers were 11 wins, one loss, and one tie.

So they had a very, very strong team.

Bob joins us with more in just a moment.

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You know, there is plenty of them to do.

And one of the teams that was very popular during this time and right into the super bowl era was the Green Bay Packers.

And we're going to talk about their first championship tonight.

And we brought along a special guest, a historian and a founder of Gridiron Grates magazine, Bob Swick.

Bob, welcome back to the Pig Pen, Darren.

Thanks for having me on, Bob.

This is really an exciting venture here to go to these championship games.

And I'm, I feel really honored that we get somebody from your, your neck of the woods that's a collector, a historian and a Green Bay packers fan.

And you're one of the own, some stock in the packers, too, Correct?

Correct.

Yeah.

The packers to me, just represent something great in sports and great in football.

Being a publicly owned team, a team in a small town of America and having 13 different championships over the years, including the super bowl era, is an incredible accomplishment.

Yeah, they most definitely were.

And just to touch on something I was pondering a couple weeks ago before the super bowl, of course, I'm a Pennsylvanian, and I, I was wondering, you know, who, what state has the most National Football League championships?

So I, I was kind of surprised that Wisconsin is leading the NFL with those 13 championships of packers that you mentioned, so.

Correct.

Correct.

They have won the most champions championships in the NFL history.

And you know, again, it's, it's tough to win in the NFL, especially today, as we both know.

So it is a great accomplishment for the team.

And it says something about having a team that has been deep seated into the community, deep seated into the NFL for so many years to be victorious 13 different occasions in roughly 100 plus years of playing football.

Yeah.

Well, it's an interesting season.

There were only nine teams that played played that year in the NFL and the packers were 11 wins, one loss and one tie.

So they had a very, very strong team.

The team itself, believe it or not, had four future hall of Famers on it.

And that really to me says that this is how special that team was being a great both offensive and defensive team when offense was very limited to say the least.

Back then they had, they had Arnie Herbert who was their quarterback, great hall of Fame player, the incredible Don Hudson who you know, was, was an end beyond, beyond comparison with his play.

They had Clark Hinkle and they also had Johnny Blood.

And Johnny Blood, a well known, quote unquote notorious player, even though he was probably one of the nicest guys in the world once he met him, you know, laid everything on the line for, for the team in every game.

It's interesting, in that season the only game they lost was to the arch rival Chicago bears in the second week.

And they really got, they got smashed 30 to 3.

And the only game they tied that season, believe it or not, was the last game of the year, which I do believe was played in very bad weather to a 00 tie with the Chicago Cardinals.

So it's interesting that the rest of the time of that year they were, they were just winning left and right.

They had a, they had a great team, they had a, they had a very strong offense, they scored a lot of points, their defense was very strong, they didn't give up a lot of points.

And they actually in the championship game played the Boston Redskins at the time.

And the Redskins had cliff battles on the team and it was their star player.

But Boston had a record of seven wins and six losses.

And the packers actually defeated the Redskins once during the season by a score of 31 2.

Believe it or not, they gave up a late game safety for the two points against the Redskins there.

So going into this season, Green Bay by far and wide was, was the best team in the NFL.

And the eastern division was a very, very weak division at that time.

And the Redskins did win with a seven victory and six loss season.

Of the 13 games they played so they were not that strong of a team.

And again, in the championship game, the packers obviously won.

And the Redskins really couldn't do much during that game.

And I believe the score was 21 to 6.

It was close in the first half.

It was 7 to 6 the first half.

And then the packers scored two touchdowns, shutting out the Redskins for the rest of the game.

And the rest is history.

So it was.

It was a very, very strong team given the 19 league and also given that the packers were in their.

Their early days, but yet we're still coached by the one and only Curly Lambeau, of which Lambeau Field is named after today.

He was their coach for many years and he always.

I read some reports saying that that was one of the best teams he ever coached for the Packers.

So that's an interesting oversight.

He's an interesting character because he's from the Green Bay area.

You have a hometown boy coaching the team to a championship.

That's got to be, you know, phenomenal.

I don't know if that's ever happens very often in National Football League history.

It really didn't.

And the other big thing that season, from what I.

Some research I did on it, was that they set a record for season ticket sales.

At that time.

So that was a big help for the team because they needed to be financed and they needed money and you could actually buy a season pass.

And I believe they had six home games at the time.

You could buy a season's pass for as low as $4.

Wow.

The $1 seats or whatever.

So that's not bad.

$4 today at Green Bay will not buy you much of anything.

Yeah, what do you get, like a third of a beer or something for $4?

I was gonna say you could even probably, probably can't buy a bottle of water now for $4 there.

But anyways, their football history there, they.

They were destined to win that, that championship game in that season.

I really think Reds, the Redskins were just overwhelmed in the game.

Yeah.

And by all appearances, you know, you talked about the standings.

The nine teams were broke up.

There was five teams in the east and that was the.

The redskins came in first.

Now with.

With that 7 and 6 record, like you said, the Pittsburgh Pirates, who became The Steelers were a 500 club.

Everybody else was below 500.

Right.

But in the west, where the packers were, the Bears and the Lions had very respectable records.

I'm showing 9 and 3 and 8 and 4 respectively.

And the Cardinals trail A little bit behind with a three and eight record.

Three, eight, one record.

So you know, that was a pretty competitive division that they were in, in that western division.

And they, you know, dominated it and you know, won by over two games.

And again, you got to remember back then the NFL had three very, very strong franchises and strong teams in the Bears, the Packers and the Lions.

And again the Lions, although they peaked in the 50s, you know, and then became, you know, non a non team almost for many years until the past few seasons.

They were always three of the strongest teams.

Then you had the Giants come in from the east who started to become a very strong team as the years went on.

So the balance of power was definitely in the west.

If you want to call it the West.

I call it more of the Midwest.

Yeah, I, I think it's a very good point to make.

This is going to be.

We're kind of laughable by today's numbers.

And Don Hudson led the NFL in receiving yards with 536 yards.

So those guys were pretty productive for passing, especially back in that era.

Right.

And again, it was not the passing era that we know today.

It wasn't.

And you know they were, they were a great duo.

I mean they, they, they read each other well and they worked together and they scored a lot of touchdowns and gained a lot of yards.

And that's how you win games.

Simple.

Yeah.

So it was a little over 160 some yards that difference.

Not, not a lot in the grand scheme of things.

But passing they had, they were almost even.

They were very balanced team.

They gave up in passing.

So that's where they, they made their hay over their opposition was in that have any advantage in a passing game with Erber and Don Hudson.

Exactly, exactly.

And again, you know, to gain that many yards in that season, you know, does provide more points.

That's all I can say.

You know, you got to score, and if you can gain yardage and you get down to the end zone, you're in great shape.

That's what it's all about.

They had 38 touchdowns that year.

Seventeen of those were passes.

Right.

Which I was gonna say it was.

Almost half of what half the touchdowns were came seven.

17 passing touchdowns, 11 rushing touchdowns.

So somebody was going crazy saying, oh, my gosh, this passing game, baby, CISC's kind of a good thing, right?

And I think.

I really think that Herbert, and especially Don Hudson.

Don Hudson definitely reestablished a position.

He took the end position and turned it to what we know as wide receiver.

I believe that.

And I think Erber had a lot to do with promoting the quarterback position from, you know, they're.

They're playing the, you know, going from a single wing to the T formation, and that the quarterback position wasn't really known for the passing.

You halfbacks and tailbacks, the majority of passing back then.

But I think he really took the bull by the horns and sort of set a standard.

Oh, definitely.

He definitely did.

And I think he also realized, and I think Lambeau understood the value of the passing game, and I think he really understood that he could win more games with a good passing passing game.

He could win more games with having that end position actually be a functional position that can move, was.

Was agile, that can get down the field, that can catch the ball, so on and so forth.

So that opened up the entire concept of a passing offense to me, which, you know, was in its very beginnings there and to expand it as the years went on.

And I kind of always felt the packers, to me, you look at their quarterbacks over the years, you look at, look at Herbert, you look at Bart Starr, you look at Farve, you look at Rodgers, I mean, they've always had good, Good passing game.

I mean, there were several years, you know, they were in limbo, so on and so forth, like the 50s, the 70s, early 80s.

So.

But they've always seen the value of a good quarterback, and I think that's important.

And I, you know, today it's a different story.

I can't.

Yeah, and you know, I guess some other points.

So you pointed out, you know, there was four hall of Famers on that team.

And some people may sit there and say, okay, ho hum for hall of Famers, we gotta remember this is the single platoon era.

This isn't, you know, 35, 36 starters with special teams.

This is 11 guys and four of the 11 are in the hall of Fame.

That is a pretty lofty number that I don't think too many teams can claim that they have that for once.

Exactly.

It to me, it really, it says, says a lot about that team and says how good that team was for them to get those picks as the years went on as far as the hall of Fame is concerned.

And again, it's important to realize, you know, we're studying the game that almost, well, that was 90 some odd years ago.

Almost 90 years ago.

And we have to rely on written word and articles and so on and so forth.

And it's fascinating to read the sports articles at the time, especially in Green Bay, because Green Bay loved the packers and they wrote about them year round.

I mean it was inevitable.

You would never, you never did not know what was going on with the packers if you were in Green Bay, even during the off season.

So writing about what they had as a team that, that year and seeing the articles of, of how good those four players were was very, very impressive to me because the sports writers at that time, the few that covered the team did see the special nature of those guys on that team.

They saw their ability, they saw how good they were and they reported it as such, which was nice to read and nice to see.

Yeah, I'll bet.

And we can't fail to mention here that one of the other hall of Famers, you know, we talked about Erber and Hudson Clark Hinkle was the leading rusher on the team, that fullback, 476 yards and five TDs from the fullback position.

So he was a big contributor too to the offense.

Exactly, exactly.

He really, he really did a lot for the offense and he really, he really got, got them going and had it.

And again, they had a passing game, they had a running game and that was very unique for a team in the NFL in that time to have it.

So I think that's a big, another big reason why they ended up winning that championship for that year.

Yeah, I guess the more I.

More I think about.

I don't know if I've ever seen a team that balanced with, you know, almost to the number within 50 yards of each other for the first season and win a championship.

To be that balance.

That's.

That's pretty phenomenal.

I don't know, it might be an interesting study I might have to do to see if anybody else got that close, because that's pretty cool.

Yeah.

And again, like I said, there was a balanced team.

It had the offense.

It had.

It had the passing game, had the running game, and they had a good defense at the same time, and you couldn't ask for anything more than that.

And they were truly a unique part of NFL history and a unique part of the Green Bay history of championships, being one of the 13 that they've won over the years.

I want to show something as a tie in here.

Sure.

Okay.

And it's basically.

There's no matches in it, but it was preserved over the years.

I had this, my packers collection.

And also another player who played for the team was Bob.

I think his last name was pronounced Monet.

Monet.

And I have his matchbook also from.

Wow.

That's very cool.

33.

I was trying to find period pieces I don't like.

I was telling you beforehand, I don't have a lot of original stuff from the 30s, but I know I have my matchbooks and my matchbook cover collection, and I do have.

This was printed many years later.

Wow.

And I love those uniforms.

Yeah.

And it's.

But I knew they had pictures of all the championship teams in it, so I thought I would show that also.

But, yeah, we appreciate that.

That's.

That's really cool stuff.

It's.

It's.

It.

The uniforms are so, to me, cool looking because they were so basic.

Look at where the numbers are and on the jerseys and, you know, the.

The rigid nature of the team photo.

I always enjoyed.

Enjoyed looking at those and collecting them over the years.

But it's.

It's almost like you're looking at a picture frame because the sleeves being the.

The lighter color and the trim, you know, it's almost frames everything in for the number, you know, being the sort of the center of the piece it's kind of cool.

Exactly, exactly.

And I went on YouTube also seeing there were a few.

I think there were three or four, like 30 second cuts.

Somehow somebody was able to save some sort of film.

So they had it, they showed it.

And to see me, you know, a field that, you know, a lot of people today wouldn't even understand, that's a football field that they're playing on type of thing, and the, the way the players look and so on and so forth.

This is fascinating to see, See, see the history of that looks.

Sometimes they look more like a mud wrestling.

Exactly.

I was going to say that, you know, where they didn't cancel games when you had snow on the ground or rain or anything else, you know, you just played through and that was it.

Right.

Wow, that is some great stuff.

And, you know, speaking of great stuff, Bob, you have a great, great periodical that you publish and you have.

And maybe you could tell us a little bit about the magazine.

Yeah, we publish Gridiron Grates magazine on a quarterly basis.

It's a magazine, roughly 44 to 48 pages each issue.

And we look at different topics in football history and memorabilia collecting.

We feature collections, we feature pieces of memorabilia, things that football card and memorabilia collectors collect.

We feature a lot of stories lately, unfortunately, been writing a lot of stories on players who passed, which is inevitable.

But we try to try to look at a lot of different areas of football cards and football collecting, football memorabilia and football history.

And we're trying to preserve the name of football history and preserve football collecting and memorabilia to truly understand the history of the game.

And to find material from those years becomes more and more difficult as each passing year goes by.

And we want to preserve it, we want to keep it alive and keep the name alive.

And we want to give a shout out to a lot of players who never got recognition over the years and who have been left behind in a lot of cases with regards to medical problems, medical issues, things of that nature, so on and so forth.

He published issues number one to 22.

We took over at issue 23, and our last issue was 87.

So we've been doing this for a long time, 16 years and we're still going, going strong and hopefully I got a few more years.

I can, I can get it out.

So Bob, why don't you, why don't you share with.

And I'm sure you will.

You know, we're, we're counting on you doing that because we enjoy the magazine.

Why don't you share with folks if they want to subscribe to the magazine to get copy themselves?

Just check our website out.

It's, it's simple.

GridironGreatsMagazine.com has all the information you need if you want to become a new subscriber.

We do have a limited amount of back issues available, if any.

If you see something that you like and just want to buy that issue, you can do that also.

But please, by all means, if you're not a subscriber to Gridiron Grace magazine, as I say in our podcast, what are you waiting for?

Check out the website.

Yeah, I, I highly recommend it, folks.

And it, you've got really a great and talented love group of contributors.

You know, some great authors in there, some, some folks who have been on this show.

Maybe you could give some shout outs to some of the people that contributed.

Yeah, we, we have San Francisco 49er historian Martin Jacobs, who writes for us.

He was elected a Super fan about 20 years ago by, by the 49ers and by Visa.

We also have Jeff Payne who we both know well, who's done several pieces.

We have Harv Aronson who writes about Pittsburgh related sports and things of early NFL.

We have Greg Trantner who has written extensively about Bills and other different subject matters for the magazine.

Greg and I go back a long time.

And I happened to have a copy of it and he was looking for it and so we exchanged.

That was our first communication and we stayed in touch for many, many years.

We also have arena football historian Gary Kabb writes about the arena football either memorabilia or about the league itself in each issue.

We also have John Spano who writes from a column from behind the table Dealer's Perspective.

John was the former, one of the former owners of MSB Sports Cards and BSD Auctions for many years.

He writes for us.

We also have Dr.

Richard Barrett who writes for us.

We also have Barry Blair who's an author who writes on occasions.

He likes covering the National Sports Collectors Convention wherever it's being held.

We have John Riparian who writes about New York based teams and players.

So we have, we have quite a few people writing.

We have.

My co host Joe Squires writes about all things Red Grange and his Seattle Seahawks on occasion.

So we got, we got a good bunch of writers.

I have to bless my wife for doing the layout and the design work of the magazine.

It's a thankless position that she does eloquently and been doing it for many years now.

Does a great job.

Thanks.

And, and Jared Krause, who's our, who designs our front covers and he does a lot of drawings for us is also invaluable with his designs.

And we get a lot of compliments on our covers because they're cool.

I mean they're nice to look at.

They're.

They're appealing.

Yeah.

They're nice to see.

You can frame them if you want them.

Just, you know.

Yeah.

This isn't like folks, this is a really nice cover and well put together magazine.

Very professionally done and with you know, good stock paper and.

Right.

It's very, very good.

A nice color.

You know, pop on on the occasion when the colors are in there and when you want to see the detail of something black and white, you can see that too because you use that nice, nice heavy paper.

Exactly.

And, and the one thing we did, we, we brought the magazine up to a different level because we went to all color printing on the inside.

Our early issues we did were black and white.

And then I finally made a decision.

I want to see.

We got to see, show this stuff in color.

It doesn't do any, doesn't do anyone any good seeing a black and white of a, you know, of a full color card or whatever or program or anything like that.

So we made the decision early on that we were going to convert to all color inside and a true full four color cover, front cover to add to the, the what I like to call the beauty of the magazine.

You know, and an appealing, appealing part of the magazine for people who read it.

Speaking on behalf of the rest of your, your subscribers, I can.

We appreciate the color.

We appreciate the talented staff including yourself, that, that write and tell about football history and the variety of it.

Yeah.

And the work that your wife and your artist does too because that's a phenomenal job that you all do and you come together collectively to make a great magazine and Gridiron, Greece thank you, thank you.

And we do it for the love of the hobby.

Believe me.

I'm not retiring off of the production of the magazine in any way, shape or form.

I just want to, like I said, I want to keep it going as long as I can to try to again, preserve the history of the game, the history of memorabilia, so on and so forth.

And I think it's important and you know, and I, I appreciate what you've been doing, you know, shout out to you because you are preserving the, the game, the history, the pieces of the game, the, the players, the team, so on and so forth.

Your books provided that also, you know, you're doing a great job also.

And again, it's.

Thank.

You know, we, we do thankless jobs, but we do it because we enjoy it and that's what a hobby is about.

You know, that's the way I look at it.

Yeah.

Appreciate the kind words.

That's true.

I want to give you a shout out too because, you know, again, you know, we don't, we don't have ESPN advertising with us, you know what I'm saying?

So I mean, you know, we're one on one here, that type of thing, so.

Exactly.

Support.

It's important, but.

Well, why don't you tell us a little bit.

Okay, you alluded to it a little bit that you and Joe Squires, you know, you have your podcast on Sports History Network.

Tell us a little bit about what's going on with that and maybe some episodes you got coming up.

We started the podcast back in.

I.

It's so weird for me to say in the tens.

We started doing it on one particular network that we were involved with and then we left that network and we did it on our own for several years.

We try to do two shows a month.

We average probably 20 to 25 shows a year.

We recently joined Sports History Network as you're on and we're both on, which has been a real big advantage for us.

I really see a lot of people listening to the podcast now.

We have a lot of different opportunities we didn't have before.

We're now visual.

We were before we were a true old fashioned podcast where we just talked on the phone and then we, you know, went to video and now with the video we can actually show the pieces of memorabilia and stuff we have.

And it's, it's just, just a whole new ball game now having that.

And we've had a lot of different guests over the years.

We had, we've had Greg on the on the show we had Gary Cobb.

Josiembo has been on talking about his books and talking about the Cardinals.

We've had a lot of different people.

You weren't on our, you were on it at one time.

So we try to get collectors.

We like, we like to get football writers, we like to get people involved in the game, some known, some not as well known.

We recently had E.

Blake Moore, the former Packer player on and he talked about his book and that was a heck of a story for me because I also, I teach part time online.

I've been doing that for many, many years now.

I've taught part time for 43 years.

I'm still teaching now I teach for the University of Cincinnati in their online program.

Nice.

And I had a student and she was reading my bio and she said, gridiron Grace magazine.

She said, I gotta tell my boss about that magazine.

I said, well, who's your boss?

So she said, well, he played for the Packers, E.

Blake Moore, I said.

And so I'm looking at the name vaguely familiar to me and I look it up in my, in my media guides and he played for the Bengals.

And then when Forrest Gregg went over to the packers, he picked them up over to get him to the, to the Packers.

He played two seasons for the Packers.

A self made man.

Real cool story.

So we had him on and he sent me his book he wrote quite a few years ago on his life story and playing for the Bengals and playing for the Packers.

What a story.

It was incredible.

So he was our first former player we actually had on the show which was a big deal for us.

So pretty cool.

So we try to get people of collecting memorability backgrounds, feature and talk about their collections, football writers, so on and so forth.

And we do die.

We could also say we had an ex player on the team on the show.

So we've had, we've had the full, the full circle, let's say, of different people involved in the hobby and in the game itself, which I think is important to hear their stories.

Yeah, there's nothing better when you get a bunch of people involved talking football.

Preserving the game, preserving some of the legacies of these legends that came before us that made the NFL and college football what it is today because of their sacrifice and of their bodies and their hard work and really to make the game so popular.

So.

Exactly.

And I hate to say this, but I'll take watching old games any day over watching today's game.

So you know, that's just the way I am.

I'm Old school.

I'm stuck in a time warp, let's say.

I haven't, I haven't progressed out of the 60s or 70s for a long time.

Nothing wrong with that.

A lot of things are going on in the world, so there's not a bad thing to, to do.

But Bob, we really appreciate you coming on here and sharing this packers history, their first championship season and you know, we're gonna be doing this.

We've got, you know, 30 some years of this and there's a lot of packers in there.

So we're hoping that, that you'll be able to come on again and talk about another season of the Packers.

I plan on being back.

I appreciate the opportunity to talk with you.

It was, you know, it's the fastest 30 minutes in, in broadcasting.

That's what I say.

Talk for hours on end about this stuff.

Absolutely.

And folks, if you're, if you're driving and you can't couldn't write down the information that Bob shared with his magazine and his podcast, go into the show notes of either the YouTube channel or the podcast.

We'll get you links to get connected with Bob and the rest of the gang over gridiron Grace.

Bob Swick, thank you very much for joining us today.

Thanks.

Thanks for having me on it.

That's all the football history we have today, folks.

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