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hello everybody and welcome

back to another episode of

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Adult Child of Dysfunction.

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Today we have with us Ka Eel.

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She is an emotional strategist, a

reiki master, a sound therapist,

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and a yoga and meditation guide.

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She is founder of EIPL healing.

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Every individual person is love healing.

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She created an emotional and

nervous system regulation method

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called the Neuro Resonance Method.

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The Neuro Resident Method is a

trauma-informed integrative healing

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approach designed to help shift unhelpful

behaviors, release stored emotional

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energy, and create lasting change

through embodied soulful transformation.

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Woo.

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That's a mouthful, but

boy, it sounds good, right?

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Yes.

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I know it's a lot, and trying to put

all that into just a few sentences

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because it's a lot to unpack, but I think

the simplest way to say all that is.

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The neuro resonance method is a great

tool when you're ready to unlearn

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pat, like self-sabotaging patterns,

diagnose self-limiting beliefs,

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and then go through the process

of acknowledging them and rewiring

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them into thoughts that are actually

true and helpful towards your goals.

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So releasing those old

patterns and creating new ones.

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Absolutely.

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And you talk about sound, and I

love that you talk about sound.

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My last person that I just had on,

which will air three days before

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yours, it talked about she does using

voice and how to change your voice and

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how things get stuck in your voice.

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And it's just so, it's fascinating

to me because I also do it like

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a sound resonance, bio resonance,

scan, I guess you could call it.

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It analyzes like 171,000

different frequencies, but

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sound is, it's really neat.

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Sound is so violently powerful

like the healing sounds.

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Talk about, that part first and then

we're gonna get more into your program

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and your, method that you came up with.

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Sure.

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I mean, sound is so potent.

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It's one of.

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The oldest healing modalities that

has actually been around, 'cause

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it's been around for over 4,000 years

and was originally used in Australia

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where it was just did reduce to start,

but that was part of a treatment.

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If you were ill, someone would be playing

a DU over you or if you had a tumor,

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they would isolate it and play right.

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Above that tumor.

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right.

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And so the sound frequencies that

I use are, I have a set of quartz

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crystal bowls that are two to seven

different chakra systems within the

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body, and that is really great at.

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Resonating with the different energy

centers within your body to unearth

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anything that you have been physically

or energetically holding onto is a sound,

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especially when you're in the same room.

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'cause I also do this virtually as well.

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but when you're isolated in the same

room as the sound, the water particles

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in your cells start to restructure.

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Yeah, so it's changing the

cellular composition of your cells.

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So if you have any physical pain,

chronic pain, joint inflammation, sound

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therapy can be so supportive to that.

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And it's funny people, I'll say to people,

'cause when I talk about my skin and

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I'm like, I talk about frequencies and

I was like, well, I don't understand.

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And I'm like, have you ever

heard anybody say like, oh, just.

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YouTube 4 28 frequency

and you can sleep better.

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YouTube 5 28, whatever it is, 4 36 5 28.

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And I said there are literally frequencies

that do so many different things that

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the app that I have, like you said, a

tumor, you can literally have a frequency

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that will target a tumor . I don't know

exactly where to point people to go to

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them, but you can Google studies about

frequency healing and it's unbelievable.

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They've shown, a, have a tumor or

cancerous cells in a Petri dish and

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then play a certain frequency at

them and they physically shrink.

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I mean, watch them shrink

and , it's unbelievable.

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It's absolutely unbelievable.

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So how does this play into

your method that you use?

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Right.

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so as we've been talking about the

healing power of sound, I mean it, I

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think a lot of people are aware that

what you don't process gets stored within

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the physical body and the energetic

body and just starts to occupy space.

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And a lot of times it can.

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Turn and grow into a

physical injury or illness.

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So as we are working on identifying

what those self-sabotaging thoughts

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are, the self-doubt, whatever it may be,

a lot of times the reason why we have

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something limiting us in our thoughts

is because there was an experience, a

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trauma, something that happened to us.

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At some point in our past lives that

we never truly allowed ourselves to

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work through for whatever reason,

and that will stay in the body.

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And that's when I found that

sound was really helpful at

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bringing that up to the surface.

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When I was exposed to sound feeling for

the first time, there were moments where.

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I would just be laying down in a

sound bath and like I would remember

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something from my childhood that

I'd completely forgotten about.

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But then as I would reflect on

that memory, I then understood a

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certain pattern of behavior of mine.

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Like, oh, it all correlates

back to that moment.

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So the sound brings things up to light.

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And allows us to put our focus on

that because then we can start to ask

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questions like, why is this coming up now?

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What am I meant to learn?

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And for me, when I was on my journey of

healing and navigating addictions and

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mental health as much, I did therapy.

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Felt like something was missing.

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Like therapy alone talk therapy

just wasn't resonated for me.

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And so then once I got exposed to the

sound, that's like through sound, through

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movement of my body was also is when

I was having more of these emotional

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and mental breakthroughs for myself.

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So that's why I wanted to pair that

into the neuro resonance method.

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'cause we do a fair bit of coaching

and I think it's very important to also

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have some sort of energetic component,

which is why the sound is in there.

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I think it's amazing and I

mean, I a hundred percent agree.

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I went to therapy for a long time,

but it wasn't until I started doing

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some more somatic therapies and, and

vagal toning and things like that.

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And a lot of times it was sound,

a lot of times it was, humming.

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And it was just, and it,

people, we talk about the voice.

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And when you use your voice and when you

use sound in general, it literally a sound

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will vibrate every single one of your

a hundred trillion cells in your body.

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I mean, it's not, yeah, it's

not just, it's not stopping it.

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Your ears.

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And so why do you think the sound and

like the nervous system work, like

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what do you think is actually, like in

your eyes, what is actually happening?

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How does, that making the body feel safe?

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Well first it's creating a very controlled

environment, so you know that if you do

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get taken to a memory, you can remind

yourself like, I'm not physically in that

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space, like I'm in a different space.

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I have, I'm with my familiar things.

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I have this sound playing

in the background.

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So the sound starts to act more as

like a meditative soundtrack, right?

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Because it can take a little while.

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It takes the mind about 11 minutes

to truly settle into the sounds and

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get used to any sort of environment.

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So once you feel comfortable in that

space, and we've gotten used to it.

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We've worked past those, 11 minutes,

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the nervous system starts to settle

because, okay, for the next, however long

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this is where I'm gonna be, and whatever

comes up is from a different, time.

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I'm, I'm physically safe in this space.

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So the sound creates almost

like permission for the mind to

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be able to go further knowing

that you're not regressing back.

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Right.

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We're not time traveling

back into that space.

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Right.

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And it also helps to activate

the sound, helps to activate the

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alpha and theta brainwaves, which

is the state before REM sleep.

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So you naturally become relaxed, but

the alpha and theta state is often

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referred to as the problem solving phase.

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So that's when you can get

those aha moments, right?

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you're facing an issue and you don't

know how to handle it or what to say,

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and you fixate on it, and you fixate

on it, and you fixate on it, and you

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still come up with nothing, right?

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In that problem solving phase, you could

be doing something completely random

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that is just so settling to your nervous

system, you aren't thinking about it,

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and then all of a sudden, aha, I now

know how I wanna talk through this.

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I now know how I wanna

work through this scenario.

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and that's what sound therapy can

and often provides for people.

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I love it.

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The, the app that I have with the scan

and I'm, I don't wanna keep going back to

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that, but it's frequencies, it's energy.

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It's what we're talking about.

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It is sound.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It is sound.

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And I've had people tell me that,

that, when they listen to one of the

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one, note, they, it sends back kind

of balancing harmonics for whatever

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it finds imbalance in your voice.

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And she, said one time, she said

she just, after about six minutes,

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she said she just, the tears just

started rolling down her face.

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She's like, I had no idea why she

goes, but it was so liberating.

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She said it was just something about it.

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And I said, because that

was a suppressed emotion.

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It was working on it

and it was shifting it.

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And when your state shifts like

that, all kinds of things come up.

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And I mean, it was, it

was really interesting.

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Or I've had people tell me that, after a

couple minutes of listening to whatever

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the balancing, harmonics are like,

one girl said like, oh, I literally

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physically felt my jaw, UNC Unclenched.

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She goes, I didn't even

know I was clenching my jaw.

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And I was like, yes, it's,

it's absolutely amazing.

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But you created this

neuro resonance method.

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talk a little bit about your

story and what led you to do that.

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Yes, so like many of us, we

create something when we are going

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through something ourselves and we.

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Kind of see what is

missing or what is lacking.

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And for me, I was working in entertainment

and corporate themed entertainment

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as a project manager, and I've

been doing that for several years.

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And while when I started, it was

something that I really enjoyed.

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Not long after that, I started

to become a little resentful.

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Of just the long hours, the different

companies that I had worked with because

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I, I, entertainment can be a very

grueling and hard industry to work in.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so those who have or do can

understand that, and it's got long hours,

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the hours are also known to change.

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Right.

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So sometimes you'll start

something, you have a start time,

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but you don't have an end time.

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So it's gonna take however long

it takes and it, and everything is

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almost an emergency where it's an

issue right now that just came up,

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but it needed to be solved yesterday.

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and so it just became a lot of

weight and a lot of added stress.

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It felt like I was being

taken advantage of.

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Initially I thought it was

like, oh, it's this company.

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Okay, so then I'll go and work for a

different company and I'm like, oh wow.

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It's just the same.

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Okay.

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Like, is this just what it is?

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And I'd started my own, freelance

company where I was like, well, this has

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gotta be the, the better way to do it.

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'cause then I can pick my

clients, I can do these things.

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However, it was just a

lot more of the same.

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But it's kinda, I feel like it's kinda

like working in trauma in general, like

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working in a trauma ER or something.

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You're constantly having

to shift, change, move it.

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It's like just spending your

whole life putting out fires.

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Yeah.

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And that's really what it felt like.

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Yeah.

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And that is not good for the

nervous system at all, because

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you never get to slow down ever.

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No.

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And then people will be like, oh,

okay, this is solved and there's.

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Typically there wouldn't be

much of like, congratulations.

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Thank you for doing that.

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Like it didn't feel like the

acknowledgement was there.

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and so given that environment, I, was

getting depressed and turned to alcohol

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and cannabis to none, those feelings

when I was done with work, like, great,

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can't wait to go home and smoke or,

Depending on the time we got out, we'd

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be like, oh, this isn't early day.

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Let's all go to happy hour.

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and then it just, I was living

this cycle that was so predictable.

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I would go home, drink, smoke, pass it

on the couch, wake up in the middle of

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the night, go to the bed, wake up in

the morning and repeat and do all that.

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And I just caught myself one day.

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And I was like, no, this

isn't how I wanna live.

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I was in therapy also during that

time, and so many times I would come

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out of those sessions and I'd be

more frustrated than I was going in.

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Yeah.

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Because the therapist would wanna

focus on something else or would

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just like poke at something.

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In my childhood, I'm like, I get that

this is like a wound, but this is not.

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What I wanna focus on right now, right?

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so I just started to ask myself, I was

like, okay, well what I'm doing right

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now is not working, and if I wanna

change, I'm gonna have to make a change.

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So what is one thing that I can

think of that brings me some sort of.

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Happiness, some sort of

joy, just a base level.

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I don't need to be ecstatic here.

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I just need to like break out from

this negativity that I'm experiencing.

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And the first thing that

came to my mind was yoga.

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So I started doing yoga and

then that launched me down the

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rabbit hole of energy healing.

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I got exposed to sound

healing and reiki and.

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It was really the combination of wanting

to deepen my understanding of yoga.

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I took a yoga teacher training and

then also got attuned to Reiki,

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and while I was doing that, I have

a psychology degree as well, and I

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was like, okay, well I always enjoy

cognitive behavioral therapy, so maybe

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this is a time to study that further.

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Because my thoughts, the patterns

that I have and my self-talk is very

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hurtful, and I'm trying to change that.

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So I need help.

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So I started taking a cognitive behavioral

therapy, a coaching program, and was

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applying that to myself to work through

my negative thoughts of feeling like I was

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the victim, feeling like my life sucked.

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Feeling like I was just, that that

was just my life no matter what I did.

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and it was when I was doing all three of

those things regularly, that I had the

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biggest shifts and strides in my thoughts.

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My career shifted.

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I started ev like I was still

working in entertainment, but my

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attitude was becoming more positive.

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People were asking me.

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At work, what I was doing that was making

me, that was presenting this change.

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And that's when I realized, I'm

like, oh, other people can see this.

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Like this work is actually

needed in the world.

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Right?

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And I couldn't find something

that had combined all of

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those different modalities.

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I was like, all right, well this

is scary, but I'm gonna do it.

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Yeah, that's, that's awesome.

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So, I mean, and that's

really, it sounds like.

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A lot of the healers and energy healers

that I work with, and even myself,

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going through the process, it's, it's

all the tools I learned, it's, mm-hmm.

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Like the cog behavioral therapy

was awesome to learn about.

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And the NLP when you were trying

to rework this and the reiki and I

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did the reiki and it, and then you

put it all together because at the

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bottom, at the end of the day I say

that it's like you can go to therapy.

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You work, your mind, but that

doesn't work on your body.

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It doesn't work on your soul.

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Exactly.

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Like you gotta take this whole

body, mind and spirit approach.

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And when you look at the whole energetic

aspect of we are energy, you have

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to kind of figure that in somewhere.

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Yeah.

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and it's like you have, you have

to, I just, it's just crazy to

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me now thinking back about it.

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Where, what, why didn't I

learn this 50 years ago?

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Well, I was only seven, but why

didn't I learn this decades ago?

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But talk about, so you have your,

method, and I love that because, I, I

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just truly believe when you go to have

someone help you, people can come to

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me and they say, Tammy, I need this.

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Well, you don't need the

same thing every day.

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So I can't give you, here's the

next 12 weeks for us lined out.

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I can't tell you that.

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Right, because you might need

something every single day.

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And that's, as a, as a coach and

a healer, that's the nice thing

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is that you can meet them there.

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You don't have this like textbook kind

of, this is the plan and this is what you

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say if that, they say this like, you ha,

you also work in intuitively I'm sure,

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because if you've got any kind of, with

the reiki and you have to, but talk about.

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What does your neuro resonance

model look like in practice?

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Like if someone were to come with to you?

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Right, so typically we start with just

identifying where you are in life,

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what is going on, what environments

are you in, what is your social life?

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And then we dream big.

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Okay, what is your ideal?

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What is your goal?

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What do you want to see

change in your life?

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If you woke up tomorrow and you

were living in your goals and

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your dreams, what would that be?

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So then that gives us an

assessment of like what the

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bridge we need to build, right?

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Right.

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'cause that's what the

neuro residents method.

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It's a bridge to get from where you

are to where you, are striving to be.

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And then once we have that, see,

depending on the person, this

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is where it can change, right?

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'cause some people are more

analytical, more scientific minded.

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So we'll start with more CBT and if FS

internal family systems stuff first.

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And for people who are either

really anxious or already

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more energetically spiritually

connected, then we'll go into reiki.

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maybe some sound at that stage.

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But then, so after we do.

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The cognitive behavioral therapy stuff

is what I really want to start doing

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is having people just be comfortable

with where they are right now.

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Because sometimes there's anger

or an emotion of frustration.

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and so once we've identified

what our goals are, it's okay.

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How are you feeling about all of that?

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Right.

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And, and a lot of times do you

use a lot of body, Practices

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too, because I know Yes.

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I, I mean, again, you have to, if you're

doing reiki, you're building that in

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because so many people, that's where

they get stuck in that traditional

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therapy is, I, I don't know how many

times I've said to my clients, get

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outta your mind and into your body.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like, get into your body.

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Yeah.

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And it's okay.

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You have a feeling like a lot of times

I'll say, how does this make you feel?

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And I get illogical.

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Thought out response.

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I'm like, I, what's a feeling word?

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What are you feeling?

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Okay.

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so it's getting people to feel

comfortable, just one, acknowledging

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their emotions and also identifying

where it is in the body.

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Right?

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Does it live a certain spot in the body?

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Does it have a color?

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Does it have a texture?

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maybe it also has a sound

associated to it When you feel

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into that feeling, from there.

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Well, there are a bunch of different

exercises that I have that, work

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with different types of feelings

like anger, sadness, and breathe.

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So we'll do some of those depending

on what the individual is feeling.

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And that's.

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We'll move into a Reiki session to really

target those specific areas in the body.

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Kind of break it up a little bit

so it's not as dense and heavy.

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Right.

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And the next session is going to be

going over the thoughts tracker, which

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is something that I use for really.

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Focusing on what the negative

thought patterns are.

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The, the self-talk that

we tell ourselves, right?

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And which is horrible.

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I don't know how many lives and podcasts I

have on there about that critical little,

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you sitting on your shoulder being like,

you're stupid, you're dumb, you're crazy.

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Right?

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We are our toughest critic.

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And that we're, oh my God,

we're, so this thought tracker

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really brings that forward.

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For everybody where you have something

that happened in your day, say someone

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yells at you and it triggers a thought,

and then you write that thought down.

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You write down what happened that

triggered that thought, and you sit

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with how that made you feel, right?

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Then you start looking for the

evidence that that thought is true.

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Most often, the evidence for it is

either non-existent or very, very weak.

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Right?

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And that's why Yeah.

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And that's why I, encourage,

we have to encourage people to

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nip that thought in the bud.

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Like you said, it takes a minute, it

takes whatever, how long for sound

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to really get in and start doing.

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Its magic.

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It takes a little bit for

a thought to set in too.

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So if you can, if you can nip it in the

bud and when you say, oh gosh, you're so

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dumb, or you always do that wrong, and you

can challenge that immediately and put a

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new thought in your head and replace it

like, I am human and I make a mistake.

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Oh, well, that quickly can shift

those things, which is nice.

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Right?

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And what I like to encourage people

to do is to look for evidence

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that that thought is false.

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Like what is the evidence that

goes against that thought?

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Right.

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There's because usually a bigger list.

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Yeah.

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And then it's easier to

create a more positive or more

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supportive thought for you.

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So then it's okay.

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Someone just yelled at me and my

automatic thought is, I can't do anything.

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Right.

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But there's way more evidence

that supports that I'm very

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competent, that I actually am.

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Mentally and emotionally intelligent

based on all of these things, right?

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So when that thought comes in of,

oh, I can't do anything, right?

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You get to interrupt it and be like, no,

I, I do know how to do a lot of things.

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I'm very capable, I'm very intelligent.

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There's a disconnect with this thing

and this person, they were expecting

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it to be a different way, maybe, right?

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so it's.

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We do that, and we'll keep focusing on

that and tracking the thoughts until we

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see the shift that all the new thoughts

that we were creating, the more supportive

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ones are becoming the automatic thoughts.

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Right.

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And that's literal, that's the goal.

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Like, yay, you're doing it.

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It's like, yay.

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Exactly.

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It's, it's so freeing for people when.

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They knocked, like for the, I remember

the first time I did something like

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clumsy or dumb, or it was just something

silly, like spilling something.

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And I was like, you're a goofball.

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I didn't say you're an

idiot or you're stupid.

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I was like, you're a goofball.

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Like, and it was like,

wow, that was kind of nice.

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I didn't, that critic didn't

sit on my shoulder and tell me

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what a loser I was because I did

something wrong, and it's, mm-hmm.

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It's, it takes a little

bit to rewire that.

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I mean, if you, I don't know what.

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the first, I don't know how long you

were in the industry, the entertainment

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industry, for several years, you said,

and I know most of, I don't know if most

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of your clients were from like childhood

background issues or, or current issues,

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but I know when you grew up and you had

40 years or 30 years of that thought

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process going, it takes some time to

undo it, but our brains are so, so.

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Pliable.

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Like they're like a big thing is

silly putty, You just have to keep

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stretching them a different way.

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Stretching them a different way.

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Yeah.

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The brain is malleable and that's

what a lot of people don't comprehend

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at first, because they think like,

oh, I've just always thought this.

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So I'm wired to always think that.

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I'm like, we can change

the way the brain is wired.

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It's simply if you want to change it.

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Yep.

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Like.

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Because if that desire, if that want

isn't there, then it is going to be hard.

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It's gonna be riding the struggle bus

because deep down there's a part of

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you that is so resistant against it.

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Yep.

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Well, and I think that's the

underlying, when you deal with

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people that come from those traumatic

backgrounds, is that is the problem

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is deep down in your subconscious,

you don't believe you're good enough

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or you don't believe you're worthy.

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So you.

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To tell yourself you love yourself is

great, but before you truly believe it

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and you bring that subconscious beliefs

up to the conscious level of, wow, I

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actually am worthy, you're, every reaction

you do is gonna be based off of those

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preconceived notions that you didn't

get someone fed 'em to you like, right?

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Yeah.

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So what kind of shifts have you seen with

some people that you've worked at with.

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there have been so many really

nice transformations, of, I work a

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lot with people who are navigating

addictions, so there have been a

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lot of realizations on where that

addiction stems from in their past.

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Like what situation was the first one

that drove them to use a substance?

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And when that's identified, it's

like, we'll go back into that

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moment, like what was the feeling?

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What was the motivation

to reach for a substance?

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And from there we start to build up

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the list of evidence that goes against.

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What that initial thing was.

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And and it might for the people out

there listening, it doesn't have to be

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a substance quote unquote, it can be

when did you start being sad and bury

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yourself in a sleeve of Oreo cookies?

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Or when did you start hitting

the online casino every time

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somebody stressed you out?

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Or when did you start?

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I mean, the list goes on and on of

the things that we do to sell food.

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And it could be shopping, right?

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Food, shopping, gambling.

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It doesn't have to be a

substance, it can be an activity.

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It can, it can be really anything because

absolutely when you're in that state, when

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you are seeking dopamine, so however you

find a way to get your body to trigger the

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dopamine and the serotonin, that's, you're

going to be chasing that feeling, right.

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We also, so I've had people who have just

kind of thought that they were always

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going to be, addicted and they, they

wanted to change, but they felt like,

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oh, it's so hard wired in me that even if

this, like, even though I wanna change,

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I don't know if like physiologically,

neurologically that I can,

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The more that we would work with the

energetics of what was going on in

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their body paired with those thoughts.

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Because a lot of times when you're leaning

into what your addictions are, it's

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because you're not receiving something.

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So what would did you want to

hear or be told, or how did you

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wanna be supported in those times?

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We've built up different ways that they

can support themselves when they feel

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the craving coming, and then they, they

make that 180 where they don't even think

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about reaching for that addiction, right?

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It just becomes something that

was a part of their past that

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they no longer identify with.

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so I've seen, that, I've

seen lots of people overcome.

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The self-doubt and the Impost syndrome,

which are things that a lot of times

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in the clients that I've worked with

stem from childhood experiences.

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So it's rewriting that part

of their thought process.

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that was actually never true.

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That was just something that your

parents, your family, placed on

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you because that was their thought.

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Themselves and they just

rejected that onto you.

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Absolutely.

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And talk a little bit about, because

I talk a lot about, kind of seeing

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that future you, like, you, you in

your body, you logically, okay, my

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triggers are caused by this and I know

that logically, but I can't stop them.

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What are, I, I just, it's subconscious.

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It just happens.

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What are some tips you

give people as far as.

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I always talk about kind of the

future you and like visualizing what

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it would be like if they didn't,

if you didn't have those triggers.

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But what are some tips that you

give people when they have those

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thoughts, that initial thought

of, I'm just this way because,

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or, or any kind of trigger really.

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Do you have any little quick tips?

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Yes.

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So a big mantra that I like to encourage

people to use is that you aren't.

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Not defined by your past.

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so that's a quick, thing you can do

to interrupt that thought, that maybe

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that was true for my past, but that

doesn't mean that that's who I am or who

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I am moving towards who I'm becoming.

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Exactly.

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I always kind of say my past might've

designed me, but it did not define me.

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So it made me what you're looking at right

here, but it didn't make me like, only

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I can determine what the next step is.

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Mm-hmm.

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And when you're gonna move to that

next level and when you're going

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to let go of all those things.

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And you're right.

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You have to wanna do it.

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You have to truly, I, and a

lot of people can't do it for

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themselves right in the beginning.

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Like a lot of people can't, they

can't say I'm worthy to do this.

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Do you have a friend?

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you're, the best thing you can do for

the people around you energetically

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is give them the best version of you.

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So even if you can't do it for

yourself, do it for whoever,

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your kids, your husband, your,

your, parents, whatever it is.

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Exactly.

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yes, and I love that.

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So that's one of the

things that I suggest.

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And then.

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Another, thing, as simple as it sounds,

and I recognize how ironic it is,

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because when I was in my deepest, fix

of it, if somebody told me to just

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breathe, I would have gotten angry.

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because I'm like, it's automatic.

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I just breathe anyway.

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But you wanna bring your

conscious awareness to your

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breath to stop that thought.

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So taking a really deep inhale,

filling up your lungs as much as you

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can, and just holding it for four

counts, and then exhaling as slow as

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possible, is that's gonna bring down

that fight or flight response, right?

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We're gonna move out of the

sympathetic nervous system into

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the parasympathetic nervous system,

which is the rest and digest phase.

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So.

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Once you're in that, you'll be able

to think a little bit differently.

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You won't be coming at it from

that, angry, critical mindset.

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You are like, okay.

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Right.

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And I wanna add too, just, for the people

out there listening, when you are in a

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heightened state and you are very, very

anxious, sometimes just a deep breath

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is more frustrating than anything.

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It's like when someone tells you

just to calm down when you're really

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anxious, So find what that pattern.

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Interrupt is for you.

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Some people it could be cold water

on their face, they have to, you

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have to just change your state.

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Sometimes it's just literally

getting up and moving just,

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and just, I don't say that.

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Yeah, just, moving.

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Just moving your body or like

you said, the deep breath.

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Just take a breath and

like hold it and just say.

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Like, I got this.

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I'm safe.

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This is good.

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Or even sometimes, like I, I do have

some people that I won't tell to breathe.

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I never tell 'em to take a deep breath.

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Right.

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I tell 'em to pause.

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Mm-hmm.

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But I mean, the deep

breath to me is like 99.9%

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of the time is the thing.

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Just take a deep breath.

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It totally, like you said, you go from

your, your thinking goes from to a totally

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different side of your brain and you just,

it calms you, you get air in your lungs.

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It, it's just, there's

so much good about it.

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But there's some people that I'm

just like, just take a pause.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that to me is one of the biggest

signs that people are really starting to

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come into this kind of healing thing is

when they can pause before they react.

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Right.

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Right.

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And that's, that's really the

sweet spot of where you wanna be.

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You wanna be able to

respond rather than react.

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Mm-hmm.

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So what does that pattern

interrupt, look for you?

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Sometimes it can literally just

be standing up and shaking your

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body similar to how a dog would.

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Mm-hmm.

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'cause that's why dogs and cats get

up and shake or stretch randomly.

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Right.

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They're moving energy and we are

mammals just, the same as they are.

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So we can stretch, move that

energy, dance, and yeah.

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And it doesn't have to be drastic, right?

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It doesn't, I mean, it doesn't,

have to be this huge, like blah, You

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can just literally just shrug your

shoulders a couple times, get your

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neck opened up, open up your chest.

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Sometimes that will

change your whole state.

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Just opening up your chest and opening,

exposing your heart to the world.

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Put your hand on your heart.

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That's a big one.

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there's all these different tricks

that you can use because at the end

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of the day, it's what works for you.

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Yeah, so I love that you work

with so many different systems

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and so many different approaches.

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That's awesome because I

think that's what people need.

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Yeah.

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And that's also part of every individual

person is loved because we're all

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individuals, and I don't believe that

there is one cookie cutter method

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that's going to apply to everybody.

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Everyone has their own set of situations

and experiences that they have faced.

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That they have, confronted.

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And so that is going to be a part

of their healing process, and that

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needs to be taken into account.

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Like you were saying, you have

some clients that you will never

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tell to take a breath, right?

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And that's because you know that that is

gonna cause more anxiety for them then.

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Is saying take a pause.

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Right.

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So it's learning.

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It's the same thing.

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I'm still taking them, telling them

to take a breath, but they just dunno.

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It, just reword it for 'em.

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Choice, right?

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It's just, it's a different word

choice, little psychological spin

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on it in a way that's more receptive

to that type of personality.

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So you're really learning the client and

where they are, what they're open to.

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That's why I love having these

three modalities to play with,

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because some people are more

open toward one than another.

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And so we'll start there and create

that comfortability with each other

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and then move into, the next one.

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Exactly.

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So if people wanna work with you,

how do they reach out to you?

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Where do they find you?

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What is the best way?

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so the best way would be to

go to my website, which is

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I healing ei PL healing.com.

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You can go to the contact me page,

message me right through there.

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It also has my email and phone

number to reach me at as well.

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So you can call from

that and email from that.

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Also, if you go to my website and

sign up to be a part of the email

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list, you will receive a free

neuro resident strategy session.

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So that's where we'll take the time to

identify where you are, what your current

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thoughts are, and what it is that you want

to call in and bring in, and we'll create

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that little roadmap of how to get there.

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Perfect.

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And all those will be in the show

notes so people can reach out to you

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any of the ways that you gave me.

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So we'll do all the connecting there.

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And if you had to thank, first

of all, so Catherine, thank

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you so much for coming on.

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This was amazing and

thank you for having me.

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It's been a pleasure talking to you.

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Yes, and you're very welcome.

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But before you go, I want you to give the

listeners one big picture idea from you.

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If you had to give them one

message, what would it be?

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Know that no matter how you are feeling,

the feeling of maybe it's feeling

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worthless or disempowered, that you do

have the ability to change, to shift,

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that no one can take that away from you.

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It is within your ability,

your power to change.

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It might be scary because it's

completely new, but it is doable.

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Little baby steps at a time.

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Absolutely.

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Well, thank you so much and for everybody

else out there listening, you heard

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it, there are so many different ways.

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To heal from past.

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Mm-hmm.

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Anything, future stuff, present stuff,

whatever it is, you just have to

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really get it in your mind that you're

worth it because you are my friends.

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You are 100% worth every second that you

spend making yourself a little happier.

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So thank you all.

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You all have a blessed day,

and we will see you back.