Hello and welcome to another episode of The Outsiders podcast with me Tim Elliott

This is the trail running podcast about more than just trail running. In this podcast we focus less on the gear, races, and performances and more on the holistic benefits of trial running, connecting with nature and nurturing the mind, body and soul.

Todays very special guest is a man I've known for a while, we know the same folks but I never had a non-dm conversation with him - until now.

Ant is an amazing designer at WAAE and I am a customer of a bunch of his products but also Ant is a genuinely good human and true outsider.

I Loved this chat and hope you do too

Cheers TIm