I'm pretty sure I have APD. Does someone you love maybe have it too?

This special episode is in honor of Auditory Processing Awareness Day (April 4th, 2023)!

I ask 'what?' all the time, but by the time they answer, I've actually pieced it together. It's not a problem with my ear, but how I process (or don't) what I'm hearing!

If you give me a bunch or verbal steps, I'll be lucky to get to #3 without asking for repetition.

Biochemistry and Functional Neurology meet here, as Lorraine Driscoll explains what auditory processing is and what it affects, what can cause poor auditory processing, and what people can do to overcome auditory processing issue issues.

It's almost like I have dyslexia of the ears, but I'm hyper focused on what people are saying and how they say it. I guess it made me a better accent coach in a way!

Find out more from Lorraine Driscoll at Building Better Brains

APD Lorraine Driscoll April 4th release

It has become important to me within the last year when I started noticing these things and somebody just mentioned it to me. So then I, I dug into it a little bit and I thought, oh my God, that's totally me. I never knew about this thing. And it's huge.

And it's so, complex too, that I think more people should know about it. So I'm really excited to share what you do with everybody, and especially because of what I do. It's, it's often the case that you have a lot of information in English, but not always in other languages, particularly with medical related things.

Lorraine: Right.

Bianca: And so I, I feel like it's really important that we bring that to people whose first language isn't English, because it might be actually much harder for them to find that.

Lorraine: Right.

Bianca: And it might be there as well. Yeah. Excellent. Excellent.

Lorraine: Yeah, totally.

First, what about you? Can you tell us a little bit about how you got to this point and what your passions are?

Lorraine: Yeah, totally. Uh, so to try to make, uh, without telling you a entire life story, I'm a former teacher and I was super frustrated with the school system and, uh, basically was teaching grade seven and eight and just saw a lot of kids who, by the time they'd reached grade eight, had had IEPs and accommodations and, you know, diagnoses from the time they were 6, 7, 8 years old and were really making minimal progress and, um, I was basically, you know, went through the same training as every other teacher and it was kind of, these kids just have to learn how to manage these conditions and so forth.

Um, and so slowly I started to make my way into a new career . And here I am today where I specialize in working with people who have learning, um, I say behavior, but really attention self-regulation issues is really what they are. Um, And to help them actually overcome that as opposed to just managing that, so.

Lorraine: A hundred percent.

Bianca: Wow. Yeah, it's very interesting. And, and for me, a lot of the people that I talk to, obviously English isn't their first language, so at any point

did you ever talk to people who were not only struggling with the language but maybe had something else going on as well?

Lorraine: Totally. Um, both in the past and to this day, I work with people who have multiple issues or layers that are going on, whether it's people who English is not their first language and they have a learning disability or speech issue or attention issue. Um, and then also add to that, you know, what I find is that people think that their issues are separate and they're often linked. So just a, a random kind of example is: one of the questions I'll ask parents whenever I first meet them is, does your child have any skin issues or gut issues? And they'll be like, yeah, what does this have to do with their learning difficulty?

Bianca: What?

Lorraine: So, a lot of the time, our separate issues are connected, are, are, aren't as separate as we think.

And you know, mom's going maybe taking her son to a dermatologist and taking her child here for this problem and this problem when they're all connected to causing overall breakdown biochemically with the brain. So, yeah.

Bianca: Mm-hmm. And I didn't even know this about you and when we first started talking, I said, oh, what did you have for lunch or breakfast?

And you said, sauerkraut. And I'm like, no, wait. I eat sauerkraut too because I have an autoimmune issue. So I'm on this thing called the Autoimmune Protocol, where I'm trying to find out kind of what, what I'm eating that might be causing other issues. So maybe, maybe it turns out that something that I am eating might be related to some of my auditory processing, although... Also, I don't know if I told you this already, but I had a brain tumor several years ago.

Lorraine: Okay. Really?

Lorraine: OK

Bianca: this ear. So I don't know if that had something to do with it before. I really can't quite remember if I had auditory processing issues before that. But I, I find myself, you know, saying what a lot and, and taking longer.

I always have the subtitles on. You know, there are definitely things there that made me think, oh, I didn't know about this, but this is a thing and then this might be me too. So other people have found that there are other things going on that may or they don't think are related, but in fact are related. Eczema is one of them.

Lorraine: Right

Bianca: Are there some other things that you could tell us that might be something that you've noticed in the past about people and, and patterns?

Lorraine: Totally. Um, so auditory processing, there's several factors that are occurring when kids have, or people have auditory processing issues.

So, um, heavy metal toxicity is a factor. It actually will damage the auditory nerve is particularly sensitive to heavy metals. Um, and it can damage the auditory nerve. So, um, one of the things we do is we might look at is their heavy metal toxicity? Do we need to work on, you know, gently draining and detoxing and then healing the auditory nerve so that functions better.

But anything that is inflammatory to the body can affect the auditory processing. And so whether it's a gluten for this person in corn for another, um, so we wanna look at is food sensitivities playing a role. So those are the two big ones in terms of biochemical. But other things are, if I'm working with someone who, either they're a child or an adult, but they have a history of ear infections.

Um, it doesn't have to be a ton of ear infections. A lot of people will say, oh, I've only had like two, and no, it wasn't a big deal. But what the research shows is that. Someone could even just have one bad ear infection and it can damage the celia in their ear, and that's going to affect their auditory processing.

And yet, if any, anyone who's a mom who's had a baby, um, totally has seen this. So if you remember, whenever you have been around a newborn or your own baby, they will do things like you put your, you know, index finger in the palm of their hand and they wrap their fingers automatically around. the pinky, and you think, oh my goodness, they love me so much. No, they don't.

Yeah, they totally do. But that is what we call the Palmar reflex. And so another example is we put our baby on the change table on their back and they fling their arms and legs out like a starfish.

So there's certain retained reflexes that will affect auditory processing in terms of the auditory cortex in the brain. Yeah. So super fascinating. So one of the things that I do with clients in my program is we work on integrating those reflexes, after we've gone through the biochemical piece and the research shows that almost always when there's auditory processing, there's almost always retained reflexes.

This is literally on brain scans neurologically. We can look at the brain hemispheres and see that in certain individuals they have ahighly developed right side of their brain and a underdeveloped left side of their brain. So meaning there's not as much electrical activity or connections on that side of the brain.

So left side of the brain is where the auditory cortex is.

Bianca: Ah, and now I see the connection here. And would this have anything to do with if somebody is right-handed or left-handed, or is there, is there no connection? ,

Lorraine: Not necessarily. Um, there's more people with dyslexia, like 50% of dyslexics are left handed.

So they have this, that's their zone of genius. They have this beautifully overdeveloped right brain. That's why they have those gifts. But they have this weak left brain and they have this, uh, auditory cortex that is really needing some more connections. So another piece of my program is we stimulate the weaker side of the brain, the left side of the brain, and so forth, um, to get more connectivity with the auditory cortex.

Bianca: No kidding, because I've been speaking with you for about five minutes and already you've exploded my brain about all this and, and so much that I didn't know even though. I knew it existed at least, right? I, I kind of stuck my toes in the water a little bit, but I had no idea about all these interconnected things or things you wouldn't think of.

So I wanna, I definitely wanna hear more about your program later and let people know how you can help people. But can we back up first and can we kind of

Lorraine: Totally

Bianca: Just talk about what auditory processing is? And maybe talk a little bit more about the label itself or how should we think about it and some things like that.

Can we back up for that?

Lorraine: Yeah, totally.

Bianca: Awesome.

So, Some of the symptoms though that can appear, uh, typically are things like one of the big ones that I see with a lot of people. The auditory processing disorder is a hard time following multi-step instructions, particularly when given orally. So, you know, if I'm dealing with a child, I'll say, Mom can, you know, little Johnny, uh, follow instructions if you say, I want you to take a shower, brush your teeth, go eat breakfast, and then pack your backpack. And they're like, Nope.

Bianca: Gone after shower.

Lorraine: Like, he can't. Yeah, exactly. You can remember the first instruction. Um, so that's a big one. Um, another one is saying, huh, or what? A lot. So you, your hearing is fine.

Bianca: Guilty.

Bianca: Exactly. I would use it as a stalling technique sometimes, and not only in English, in situations where I was speaking in another language because that gave me time, literally to process the question. And I, and I knew there was sound there. I don't know how quite, to describe it. I knew there was sound there. I knew I was hearing something, but I didn't know what it was. Or sometimes I could pick out the main words and I was trying to decide, was that a question?

And you're trying to think of somebody's intonation at the same time and maybe cultural differences. And so it's, it's a lot of layers Um, and to break it down, You know, it wasn't that I wasn't listening to you. I'm sorry I wasn't, I was absolutely listening. I'm just getting there a little bit slower, you know?

Lorraine: Yeah.

Bianca: So I'd have trouble with that.

But he was like, like, this is serious. He's like, my wife thinks that I really don't care. I'm not paying attention. But he's like, she talks and I, I literally tap out. I can't take in too much auditory information. He was an engineer, so super smart, but he's like, it, it affected his ability to do his job well as well.

You

Bianca: Hmm. I have a roommate and Yeah. And, you know, bless him, he, he is very patient and he knows about this too, but he gets frustrated sometimes when, when I say what, you know, it's, it's totally understandable.

He, he really likes, I don't know if I told you, I live in Mexico and my roommate is Mexican, but his English is phenomenal. So when we watch things in English. We often have the subtitles on , not necessarily for him, but for me

Lorraine: Right

Bianca: Because I enjoy having the subtitles on and that's how I'm kind of, I'm kind of listening through reading.

But I've heard stories of other people who get really frustrated with just, just having the subtitles on and they'll just walk out of the room and they don't wanna participate in sharing that entertainment with the person just because the subtitles are on and I see can see how that would strain a relationship, too.

Um, that's really common. Did you have a hard time learning to read or a hard time blending sounds? Did you have a hard time, um, you know, rhyming or anything, uh, with, you know, putting words together and so forth? And oftentimes there is some of that that's taken place. Um, some of it's been overcome, some of it's still, you know, an issue.

Bianca: Hmm, Hmm. That's making me think about, um, my, my own, my own issue with this too, and I'm trying to think like, because of my autoimmune issue, it's a chicken and egg thing. Like, I'm wondering, I'm trying to now think if, when I was a kid, I don't think I had trouble blending sounds. I don't think I had trouble with rhymes.

And far from being, um, let's say unfocused. I think I had the opposite. And even now, I am hyper-focused on what people say

Lorraine: Right.

For example, you say, you say processing and I say processing. Um, right. And I'm just, I just can't help it anymore. I just pick up every little thing. But I think it was a coping mechanism, probably starting

Lorraine: Interesting.

Bianca: Sometime, I'm just guessing, maybe starting when the autoimmunity started. Plus, I have this deafness issue on one side.

Lorraine: Yup.

Bianca: So for example, riding in a car, if I'm not the driver, at least if you drive on the, the right side of the road, like in many countries then, if I'm not the driver, I have a really hard time just hearing the driver. Like, let's say the windows are open, that's worse.

And then I hear, I finally hear it, and then I have to process it too. So, for example, when I'm driving with my roommate and he, and he's saying something, you know, sometimes that's when he gets really frustrated So I'm, I try to notice as much as possible.

So they could be, say the kid in the classroom who gets really overwhelmed with too much sound, or the adult who gets overwhelmed with too much sound and is like, I don't wanna hear anything. When they get home, they just, they don't even wanna drive home with the radio on because they are just o they have what I call sensory overload.

Or auditory overload. And for children, this will look like, these are the kids they come home and they have a meltdown. They're having tantrums because their system is overloaded. As adults though, okay, most of us aren't having tantrums, but it can look like anxiety or overwhelm or just not being able to, to do another thing.

Um, and yes, then there is the other spectrum where they're not as highly attuned to the sounds and they're not picking up on it. Like the dyslexic, who can't tell the difference between /b/ and /d/, you know, or /p/ and /b/. So, um, and, and you're absolutely right, auditory processing is also very much connected to ADHD and ADD.

Bianca: Uhhuh. I'm so glad we're talking today because all these things are really ringing true for me and I hope they're hitting home for other people who are listening, too. So we're talking about, um, auditory processing and how there can be issues with that and how it's affecting relationships, how it's affecting ability to study, maybe your focus.

What other things do you wanna mention about auditory processing and what it affects before we go back to the causes and maybe reiterate some of those causes?

Lorraine: Um, I think we covered it. Like basically the big, like the big thing, I get a lot of people reaching out to me is, you know, learning and reading is huge.

Bianca: Oh yeah. Those are my subtitles. Give me, gimme the slides. Give me the, gimme the book. Gimme the text too. Yeah. It's not, to me, it's not too much. It's just an extra channel. And also I'm super kinesthetic as well, so anything you can give me to touch or hold or manipulate, I'm, I'm cool with that, you know?

Yeah. But auditory only? Often I just kind of zone out. I just turn it off and start wandering around inside my own brain.

Lorraine: Yeah.

Lorraine: Um, so one other factor that I should mention is head injuries, um, you know, that obviously that can affect any area of the brain. So, um, and head injuries by the way, so, as I mentioned, when we're born, we have these primitive reflexes that should integrate in infancy, but because those reflexes are a survival mechanism, if we get a head injury, those reflexes can come back.

Bianca: You are making my day today because I have had Lyme. I grew up in upstate New York, right? So everybody in their brother has Lyme.

Lorraine: OK, Got it. Yes.

Bianca: So, uh, where are you located? Where are you now?

Lorraine: I'm just like 30 minutes from the upstate New York border. So I live, I'm between Montreal and Ottawa.

Bianca: Yes, we, we used to go to Montreal all the time on the weekends.

Lorraine: Yeah.

Bianca: Cuz it was so close. I lived, I dunno if you know Glens Falls, do you know Queensbury area?

Lorraine: Yes.

All I heard, all I heard was "kkkkkkk", and then I woke up, um, who knows how long later. I was soaked, so I was laying in the snow for a while. Couldn't move, couldn't move any of my extremities. The person was nowhere there. It was like a Tuesday. Nobody else was on the mountain. and yeah, and, and I, after about an hour, I was able to wiggle my, I think an hour, able to wiggle my toes and then my feet and finally get down to like a, like a ski station.

And um, so maybe there's that as well. I also had like the brain tumor, so who knows, you know, where all this stuff comes from. Is there a test that people can take? Is there maybe an online survey at least where they can get some ideas? We can put these in the show notes later. Um, you can just say, yes, it's available, or, or like, no, contact me directly.

Is there some way that people can kind of start to self-assess before they come to you?

Um, so you can definitely, I mean, the more boxes that you're kind of ticking in that list in terms of here are the symptoms. Um, that's more, you know, you can kind of be sure, um, that that's probably a factor at play. And I also wanna caution people. I'm not a doctor and so people will say to me, um, you know, can you, can you diagnose me with auditory processing and find, like, can you find out if I have it or not?

And I'll say, no, I can't. But I wanna caution people to not get too hung up on the diagnosis. And the reason I say that is I have a lot of parents come to me and they'll be like, well, we got him checked for auditory processing disorder. And he doesn't have it, but he has this symptom, the symptom, this symptom.

Bianca: You have something to work on. Yeah. You, you still need some help. Obviously you need some support.

Lorraine: Yeah, exactly. So, um, and I say that just because I don't know that all of your, you know, clients have insurance and like, from what I understand, most people are paying around three to $4,000 for these diagnoses.

And they're not getting, that's just for the diagnosis, not for the actual help. So, um, you know, if you feel like you're ticking all the boxes, um, and you don't have insurance that diagnosis isn't gonna help you get funding, then, um, , it might not be in your economic best interest to put all your money in, in getting that label.

Lorraine: Okay, with very little money, first of all. Yeah. Hop on my website. Check and see if you you know, if you kind of sounds like you have auditory processing disorder, just go into the blog, type in auditory processing in the search, and you'll find probably more information than you're looking for.

And then you slowly add one in back at a time and see the difference. Um, quick little story. I had a client who they had tried everything, um, for their child's auditory processing disorder. as soon as we removed dairy and gluten,like it was like a totally different child, both with focus, attention, reading, um, everything.

To the point where they were like, come on,cause dad was super skeptical. I'm like, how is dairy and gluten doing this, right? And then, um, they, they removed it. and we're kind of like, yeah, no, this can't be, this can't be, this is like, gotta be something else. So they added it back in and within a week and a half, everything slid backwards.

Bianca: Wow.

Bianca: Oh, no kidding. No kidding. I'm on the, uh, Autoimmune Protocol right now.

Which, which I'm, I'm gonna try to do it, a lot of people do it one to three months from what I've read, and I'm gonna try to do it six months so that I can really get, like, I think I hope more data about how, how something might affect me when I'm reintroducing it. But I can tell you already that, yeah, cra crazy as it sounds,

it's sometimes true. When I, well, the reason I started, let me rewind. The reason I started this Autoimmune Protocol was because of my, uh, autoimmune, um, disease, which is Hashimoto's. And I, I was on the medication, you know, I'm, I'm maxed out on the medication. Still can't lose weight, still get night sweats, you know, um, my asthma's terrible.

Lorraine: Right

Bianca: One thing though, I didn't really eat much meat. I ate a lot of eggs. and pretty much the minute we cut out eggs and it was just a little test before I did the whole AIP, I was like, I can't believe this.

My knee feels better. Can't believe this. My asthma's getting better, right? Mostly just from eggs. And then I, I, I think I put eggs back into play and I was like, yep, I think it is eggs. At least one thing. So now I'm doing the whole protocol to see if there's anything else that's hiding in there. You know,

It could be dairy, it could be gluten, often, very often gluten for people with my, my thing. But yeah, I'm gonna do the whole thing so I can try to weed out as much as possible. So that's, that's where I'm at.

Lorraine: Yeah. Yup.

Bianca: What else? What else can people do?

Lorraine: Right. So if you've kind of tackled that, then I mean the next one is considering if there's heavy metal, um, toxicity.

Um, because it can make things worse if you're not doing things right. The body is, as we know, is extremely wise and will deposit the heavy metals in areas that are less dangerous, like the and, um, you know, the other tissues. So you don't wanna start drawing that out and having that circulate in the blood and crossing the blood brainin barrier, um, unless you're doing this properly to make sure it's actually going through the detox organs.

So I will say that one is definitely not a do it yourself. Um, but even just looking at, am I exposed to heavy metals? Like what is your, what's up with your waters, whether it's city water or well water. Um, you know, what am I putting on my face every day? Um, you know, what am I washing with? What am I eating?

And the child had very high levels of lead and something else anyway. And, um, they suspect that it most likely came from living in the Dominican and eating all this food and so forth. There's obviously some other genetic variations at play too that affected his ability to detox.

But, um, You know, so what am I being exposed to? I think is definitely something you ought to consider. Or what have I been exposed to? Um, then as far as the neurological piece or functional neurology piece, you know, finding out do I have retained primitive reflexes? Is that affecting me?

I don't know if it'll be, you know, totally get you over the, over the cliff, but, um, it'll definitely help, so.

Bianca: Hmm. Mm-hmm. So. Mm-hmm. So, For most people, a really good starting point would be your website, first of all. And I'm gonna link that in the show notes, obviously, but can you say the name, spell the name, give us a way to remember how to find you there, and so that we can kind of remember that auditorially, let's say?

And then of course, we'll put the link down below in the show notes too.

Lorraine: Totally. So my website is my name Lorraine Driscoll.com. Driscoll like the strawberries. Um, I say that cuz that just seems to be what people remember.

Lorraine: Okay, cool.

Bianca: Yeah. In Mexico, the biggest lake in the country is called Lake Chapala. And just outside of there, between my city, Guadalajara, and there, you drive and you go through all the fields and you'll see all the Driscolls farms and things like that. And they have planes leaving full of berries every day.

So next time, next time you get some berries or you think about your last name, or if you're trying to remember Lorraine's website, remember I have a special rapport withthe Driscoll strawberries.

Lorraine: Very cool. Love it. That's awesome. Um, or you can just type in Building Better Brains into Google.

And my, uh, website is what pops up

Bianca: Nice. Building Better Brains. Excellent. Perfect.

Lorraine: Yeah.

Bianca: Perfect. So let's just make sure that we've got all the bases covered, right? We talked about what auditory processing is and what it affects, and how this kind of disorder can, can wreak havoc on somebody's life.

Is there something else that we can share, either as a person who may have problems with this or somebody we know, we love, or just people in general? What else could you advise us for for that? Outside of medical things, what can we, as, as people, kind of do to help ourselves, help each other? Is there anything else that we can, that we can do?

Lorraine: So, I mean, the one thing I like to say is like, just becoming aware of auditory processing and what it is and how it's impacting you can be huge as well, because then you know even how to help yourself even before, you know, you start pursuing interventions that are corrective.

Or letting people in your family know. I would say 80% of my clients are children, but whether they're children or not, um, yes, the moms know. Okay, when I'm, talking to little Johnny, Um, I have to break those instructions down one at a time and so forth. So just knowing that, um, that has to happen.

And so if you are the person with auditory processing, telling the people around you, look, I have auditory processing disorder. Um, and so if you give me like, five things at once, I'm probably not gonna remember it. If you write it down, that's gonna help me a lot. Um, so just first of all, being self-aware of how it's affecting you and what you need, and then basically, basically asking for your needs to be met um, can, can really help take some of the stress out of how it's impacting your life.

I'm like, it's not for you, it's for me. Sorry. Like, it's

Lorraine: Right.

Bianca: It's something that I don't, I don't think enough to to say out loud, because I'm so used to accommodating for that, you know? But just saying these things out loud and maybe more often I think might be more helpful.

Lorraine: Right, exactly. It's like, um, I was talking to an adult recently who has auditory processing disorder, but also, um, has that, you know, ADHD or ADD, that hyperfocus. And has since tuned into it and told their family, okay, like, if you notice that I'm getting really sucked into something, I'm not even stopping to eat, please. Um, please make me aware of that, you know? Like, help me with it, so,

And you mentioned something also that was interesting. How things we're exposed to, they might, um, they might damage parts of our auditory processing, at least the, the biology of it.

Is there anything else that we can be aware of? What we eat? What are our toxicity might be, what we might be exposed to. I know we can't really look at that ourselves, but is there any other considerations that we can just kind of think about and be aware of?

Because it's another organ in the body. A lot of us, I think by now, have heard about the brain gut connection. So, you know, the brain gut connection is huge. Um, and a lot of people that I work with, once we improve and heal their gut, that can improve their auditory processing. So as you know, you're on the AIP diet. Um, you know, to anyone listening, you don't have to do the AIP diet to heal. Maybe it can be helpful. Maybe that's your path, but it doesn't have to be.

Bianca: It's a bit core for some Yeah.

Lorraine: It totally is hardcore. Yep. Um, so just doing things like being more conscious. How much sugar am I, am I eating? Am I eating too many excess carbohydrates?

It's stuff that our great grandparents did as part of their normal way of living a long time ago right? So if we just go back to what we call an ancestral diet, um, we can really improve our gut health in that way alone.

Bianca: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And what about, um, coping strategies, and we can end with this.

Any kind of other strategies or mechanisms that people might be able to do if they don't have the diagnosis, let's say, but they suspect like, oh, I'm having trouble with this. What are some ways that I can manage some of these things? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Lorraine: Letting people know. Your best friend is a notepad because also, I don't even know if I mentioned this, a big part of auditory processing definitely can be poor short-term memory.

Bianca: Yeah, I'm the queen of Post-it notes. I've got post-it notes everywhere. I've got reminders on my phone if, uh, like everything is on my calendar because I can't, I can't remember what I need to do, but, but then I think, well, I don't have to remember it. That's why I have a phone. Like, I have this thing in my pocket that can do all of this for me.

So yeah, I've definitely learned to rely a lot on that. And even this week, I think it was last Wednesday, I, I was supposed to pay rent and I, I went over and I paid rent. I know that I did because it's in my phone. And if it's not in my phone, it doesn't get done. And if it's in my phone, no problem.

And, but then I was thinking on Friday, did I? Because I couldn't remember if I actually had, but because I have everything really automated, like I know, I know that I did, but I checked and she's like, yeah, of course. So it's the same for me.

Lorraine: Yeah. I would definitely say writing things down is your best friend.

And just the other thing too, because attention issues and hyperfocus is such an issue often when people with auditory processing, sometimes literally putting timers into your phone to force you to remember to go take a break to eat or to drink the water or whatever, you know, so

Bianca: Yeah, it has to be in my calendar. And also, um, my water bottle is always right in front of me. So those are, yeah, those are, it's really nice to hear. To me, it's very hopeful to hear like, oh, I'm already doing some of these things, and I was never told to do it, but I, I kind of

figured out what worked for me along the way.

Lorraine: Right..

Bianca: So I think that gives other people hope too that they can kind of figure out a lot of this on their way because I, it seems to me like this is not the kind of thing that you go to medication for, right? It seems like, it seems like you're looking at changing habits.

It's looking at how you're eating things, what you're consuming, and this is really the answer. Would you say that's true?

So if you can access that, um, you know, it can make life easier. Some people can completely overcome it, some people, you know, to a certain degree. But there's definitely a lot of potential that, in ways that it can make life a lot easier for sure.

Bianca: Yeah, andI feel like there's some little things in there that's gonna make me say like, oh, I gotta ask Lorraine about that.

Oh, , I feel like we're gonna have to have another episode about this. So keep, keep in mind anything about language or,

Lorraine: Yep.

Bianca: English as a second language, like learning the language and deciphering. For me it's often like, you know, like in Spanish it's often like, because the syllables are different, the syllable stress is different.

Like I have to kind of change my strategy for that, if that makes sense. You know? So if there's anything you notice

Lorraine: Totally

Bianca: Uhhuh , we can have another discussion about that. Uhhuh .

Like say a six-year-old or seven-year-old isn't often, might be in speech therapy for auditory processing disorder issues. So definitely now adding in a second language. Yeah, that's definitely gonna be that much harder for sure.

Bianca: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or if we learned it as adults, you know, how we, how we process that auditory stuff might be very different as well.

Because you know, things change too. Yeah. And then if you learn in a school versus if you learn, you know, in a different way or something like that, also your learning modalities and things like that. So I feel like we have another episode, that's already written itself, if that's up, if that's something you're up for, you know, we can talk about that later.

Lorraine: Okay.

Bianca: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. I think that's a great place to end because it's full of hope.

And it's, and it's, and we know where to go. We know to go to your website. We know that we can start with that. And to me that's just like a, a lot of hope right there.

I wanna thank you so much for joining us today and talking about auditory processing and auditory processing disorder.

Lorraine: Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you for having me.