EPISODE SUMMARY:

In this episode, I walk you through a complex fertility case involving a couple who had “done everything” - IVF, detox protocols, clean living, endless supplements, yet still weren’t making progress. I break down the real reasons they were stuck, including overlooked methylation issues, heavy metal toxicity, microbiome imbalances, and the emotional stress that was impacting their nervous systems. I share how we approached their case differently, what shifted once we had the right data, and how quickly the body can change when you address the actual root causes. If you’ve been spinning your wheels or told to “just keep trying,” this episode will show you what’s possible when fertility care becomes both strategic and deeply personalized.

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Dr. Jane is a Naturopathic Doctor and a Natural Fertility Expert. She and her team of expert practitioners help couples navigate infertility for 1+ years, get to the root cause of their struggles, heal, and bring healthy babies home.

After having a family member struggle with infertility and experiencing a miscarriage herself, Dr. Jane realized how little support and education women receive. She is on a mission to change that. Since 2020, she has dedicated her practice to fertility, where she and her practitioners work with couples 1:1, running functional lab work, customizing treatment plans and providing her couples with the support they need to get pregnant, have a stress free pregnancy and a healthy baby.

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CHAPTERS:

00:00:01 Introduction to the Case

00:00:30 Training New Practitioners

00:01:00 Complex Fertility Case Overview

00:01:29 Natural Healing and Body's Capacity

00:02:28 Patient's Background and Challenges

00:04:19 Fertility Strategy Session Insights

00:06:45 Physical and Emotional Health

00:11:49 Testing and Treatment Approaches

00:19:12 Detox and Emotional Support

00:23:28 Surgery Decision and Future Plans

TAKEAWAYS:

The body has an immense capacity to heal naturally.

Methylation plays a crucial role in fertility and overall health.

Emotional health is as important as physical health in fertility.

Frequent testing is essential to track progress in fertility treatment.

A supportive partnership is vital for a successful fertility journey.

Detoxing is not always the root solution for fertility issues.

Understanding the body's signals is key to addressing health issues.

Holistic approaches can complement conventional fertility treatments.

Time is a critical factor in fertility treatment decisions.

Investing in personal health is the best investment for fertility.

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Individualized care is essential for effective treatment of chronic fertility issues.

Hey and welcome to another episode of Natural Fertility with Dr. Jane. I of course am Dr. Jane and today I'm riding solo. So I'm going to go through a case with you. I hired a couple of new practitioners. Now they're not new practitioners, they're new to me, but they're not new to women's health. They're not new to fertility. They just haven't specialized in fertility. And so as I'm taking them through, you know, my training process and familiarizing them with what I do, how I look at cases, my program, all of that stuff.

One of the things that they asked me to do is to take them through a case. And this is a complex case, but I'm going to go through it in all the detail. And I've had a couple of team, you know, all the practitioners on and some of the support stuff on like the fertility success coordinator and the fertility strategist on to kind of understand my brain and how I see the cases. Because after going through it, they were like, this is so valuable. Can I, can you do this more? Can we jump on these calls more?

because it really helps them understand what the patients are going through, how we are doing things differently and how the approach that I have created with the Maximize Fertility Program really works because I am a proponent for natural medicine and for the body. That doesn't mean that we're not gonna use conventional medicine and whether that's for surgeries or ART and you'll see with this case of how I helped her walk through.

certain stages where we had to make a decision of what we're going to do. But what I really believe is that the body has an immense capacity to heal. And it's almost like I want to prove because I've proved it to myself coming from a place of, know, IBS and anxiety and all of these issues that were I was told that this is just the way that I am to, I don't even have these issues anymore. I want to help couples go through that process because I know that deep down

you believe that there's something that's missing in your process. You believe that your body can do it, but everybody just keeps brushing you off. And part of that frustration is that, you know, you're, you're not being validated for what actually is going on in your body. And then it makes you feel very broken because you're just like, that's the way that I am. I guess there's nothing I can do about it. So after I finished going through the case with them, they were like, you need to do a podcast on this. So I made my notes. I made my summaries. I'm not going to share all of the labs in it. Cause honestly it would take

too long and I made my notes though in terms of things that I wanna share with you and what is important. So she is 35 and he is 36, basically the same age. She did an egg retrieval at 30 years old because she wanted to avoid infertility and here she is struggling with infertility. This is how proactive she is. She wanted to make sure that

She knew what she was doing, if you will, like at 30 years old, I wanna freeze my eggs. But of course, something is preventing her from having a baby. So when we met, she was going, she was halfway through her fifth round of IVF. She was feeling absolutely terrible from the drugs and the fact that her body wasn't responding. And they had her on oralysa because...

They saw some adenomyosis and endometriosis in her uterine lining and she didn't even know that she had endometriosis, yet adenomyosis. So there's a lot of inflammation. There's a lot of disconnect from the body. She felt terrible from like this anxiety, her digestion isn't going well and she's done a lot of work. So for the last two years before she met me, she was doing mold and Lyme detoxing. She's been retesting and

you know, seeing some improvements in how she feels, but maybe 10 or 15 % and just getting to the point where she's really tired of doing all of this detoxing and all of this stuff. it's like, I, I, there's no way I have to like, just keep getting rid of this lime. And of course it kept showing up and the mold kept showing up. So she was just really frustrated with where she was with her functional medical doctor, obviously with a conventional system. And they, both of them had, have

a really clean and pristine lifestyle. Like these are people who have air filters in, the best water filtration system in, they have the highest quality food, you know, that I've seen out there. They're taking really high quality supplements. You know, they're probably, she's probably taking like 30, he was taking like 20. There was a lot of stuff that they were already doing. So it was quite a puzzle to them of, you know, why is it that they're not able to conceive? So.

When I met them on a fertility strategy session, there was three really big things that stood out to me. So the first is she's never really worked with a fertility, natural fertility specialist. She's working with functional diagnostic practitioners who are really bright and really smart. And you know, they're doing all the mold and the lime, but no one is looking at her from the fertility lens. So when they're detoxing, they're just like, yeah, you got to detox. Cause once you get the mold out,

then you're gonna be able to conceive or once you get the lime out, you'll be able to conceive and two years later, she's still trying to get the mold out and the lime out and still not able to conceive. So obviously there's something missing and I think when a practitioner doesn't work in the fertility space and that's something that I train all of my practitioners on, they don't really understand the concept of time and the pressure of time that the fertility space, that the fertility community faces.

You know, so us as women at 35 years old, the clock is ticking and you feel it. And I mean, she's had the clock ticking even before that there intuitively, she knew something was off and she wanted to be proactive. So I find in, can speak to this because when I've been practicing for 10 years, specializing in fertility for five and the first five years I've had a handful of fertility cases and I didn't, I wasn't aware of the concept of time. Those were my patients.

who would always follow through on the treatments. Those are the patients that would always follow up and make sure that they book their appointments. And I could feel the urgency, but I didn't feel the urgency. I didn't know what to do with that urgency as a practitioner. I was just like, I'll give them the next protocol and see what happens. And then, I'll give them the next protocol and I see what happens. That doesn't really work in the fertility space. I mean, obviously it does, but not for everybody because the more complex the cases,

and the more that they work that they have already done, we have to be aware of the timeline, understanding why the things that they have already done have not worked. And then obviously making sure that we can move them along further. And that's gonna come down to some critical testing and we're gonna talk about that in a second. So the first thing is that they did not have anybody looking at their case from the fertility lens. It was just general lens. The second thing, they actually had a lot of instability in their life.

So they themselves were fighting a lot and they couldn't come on common grounds. And that was sparked because of some familial stress and disagreements, you know, between the in-laws. So even on that first call, I could feel and see how much tension there was for both of them. And you could see that they were really trying to work through it. They were getting counseling, they were doing all of these things, but there was just a lot of tension between them. And they also had no idea where they wanted to live. Like they didn't like...

where they are living and they didn't know where they were gonna go. And it's almost one of those, like we have so many options, but we don't really know and everything is changing all the time. And so their hope was that once they got pregnant, then they would figure it out. And once she had the baby, then they would fix the, not the marital issues, but the kind of the in-laws stress and all of that stuff that was being brought up. So.

And they knew it was kind of backwards, but they didn't really want to putting the fertility journey on hold because they've already been trying for five years or four years. And so it didn't make sense to say, okay, let's sort ourselves out. Let's figure out where we want to live. And then we'll start trying again because of just that pressure of time was really, really prominent for them. during the initial...

we did the fertility strategy session. I was like, upload all the labs. Let me look at everything you've done. Let's do the initial consult. Let me understand a little bit more about your case. So during the initial consultation, some of the big things that stood out for me from like the physical standpoint for her is that she had really thick uterine lining. You can kind of see it increase over time. The only regret we have, if you will, is that she didn't, the egg retrieval that she did at 30 years old, she definitely got overstimulated.

you know, like her ovaries got overstimulated. She could barely walk for like a week after she had the egg retrieval. And she didn't do any detox after that. Like nobody told her anything. It was not a fun experience. And even then the quality of the eggs and the quality of the embryos that were created, because she was already with her partner. So she didn't just freeze her eggs, I guess she froze her embryos.

quality of those embryos wasn't as good as I would assume they should be for somebody who's 30 years old. And so when we're looking at embryo quality, I am looking at sperm quality just as much as I'm looking at egg quality. And of course, none of that was really looked at. And no one really did any proper like ultrasounds or check of their uterine lining. So we don't know when the uterine lining started to thicken.

but we could see it that with every IVF round that she did, so she did four and a half when we met she was halfway through. And then when I was like, you guys, we need to sort through some things. Like if you genuinely feel like this is gonna work, then let's go for it. But if there's any part of you that's hesitating and you feel terrible, then maybe we need to rethink what we're doing. And of course they took a day or a night to think about it. And she was like, I got off all medications, I feel terrible.

And I feel like even if I do get pregnant, I'm just gonna like, this pregnancy is gonna kill me because she feels so out of control in her body and she doesn't, like she just feels really terrible. So they made that decision to stop and that's why I say four and a half rounds because they just, after having the initial consult, they just made the decision to not move forward with the last round of IVF because she was feeling so terrible and everything in her body was telling her not to do it.

but she felt the pressure from him. She felt the pressure from the doctor to just keep going and pushing through. And she kind of forgot to listen to herself. So that was a really important component. Anyways, we discovered that she's had this, the cuter in lining and it's kind of been increasing over time with every IVF round. It's like her body, just her uterus wasn't clearing. There were some polyps. She had really poor and sluggish digestion. And then her HRV on the aura ring, cause she's had all the tracking.

wasn't as good. And there's some blood sugar dysregulation that we saw in the lab. Like there was a bunch of little like, you're still quite inflamed. Something is going on here. And my rule of thumb is if you've been doing something for two years and it's still there, you're not identifying the root cause. So mold is not the root cause for everybody. Neither is lime. And there's something else that was preventing her from being able to release that mold, that lime, those parasites, whatever it is that she was working on.

And so this is where the labs are going to come in. For him, he had really high ferritin. So he did not have hemochromatosis. He already ruled that out. And, you know, he's really bright guy has a, you know, a very successful business.

has done a couple of different startups and sold them and so on and so forth. But he is in that industry of, you know, go hard, work hard at night time and push. He used quite a bit of nicotine. They were going on like a carnivore diet because they heard, you know, vegetables were bad for you. You don't need them. They were doing a lot of raw dairy again, kind of following a lot of the biohackers and the trends, but no one looking at their data. They are looking at it.

He didn't even have a practitioner, she did, but no one's really looking at their data and showing like, hey, your liver enzymes are elevated. Your ferritin is really high. This is a sign of really high inflammation or infection that's, know, hanging out in the liver or in the blood. And we need to do more investigation. And you know, he's never had deeper testing done. When we looked at the labs, so some of the labs that we did for them, the stool, the methylation,

We did obviously really thorough lab work, a nutrient panel, environmental toxins, and we did a provoked heavy metal test on her because I knew something was missing. And my kind of hunch was that she has some heavy metal load and that's why that mold, that lime, and even the parasites are just keep coming back. And she's, know, quote unquote, not stable in that environment. Like she's relying on detoxing all the time. So her methylation was terrible.

And the truth is she had some of the methylation already tested prior to meeting me. And we could see that it was off. And that's why I was like, hey, we just need to look at your whole methylation. But the doctor that had her doing the mold and the Lyme protocol told her that the methylation will fix itself once the mold and the Lyme is out of there. And that is actually, not only is it not true, but it's actually the complete opposite.

of what happens. Methylation is this biochemical process that happens in every single cell of the body. It is how the body does everything. It makes hormones, it repairs DNA, it repairs tissues, it detoxes, it makes energy. If methylation isn't working, you're not going to be able to detox. Methylation isn't working, you're not going to be able to repair your cells or make energy or make hormones or honestly not do anything. So...

if you're in this situation where you have done everything and you're doing it and it's not moving, it is actually probably gonna come down to your methylation. It's gonna come down to not just your MTHL-FR gene, but what is the whole methylation cycle doing? The folate cycle, the methylation, the transulphuration cycle. It all plays such a big and important role in your fertility journey and literally in your health journey as well. So I always anchor my people into health because it's like,

I can't guarantee a baby, like, let's just help you feel better. Okay. Let's just start there and then we can see what, you know, what happens from there. So both of them had pretty bad methylation. She had really terrible methylation. They had leaky guts. There was a lot of microbiome imbalances for her. The provoked heavy metal tests showed lead and mercury. And so there was facing, she could feel it. She could feel the heaviness in her body. She could feel the irritation in her nervous system.

And you know, she just wanted to get it out. Now these guys have been doing a lot. So the first step is we just open up drainage and we really started focusing on calming the nervous system because there was so much tension. Now I'll use this with different things. I'll use herbs, supplements, homeopathics, counseling. Like there were sessions where it was literally just a couples counseling session because I wanted to understand where they were coming from, what was going on. And so with this couple, what I did is, you know, we, meet with my couples every two weeks. So

Every two weeks I would just meet with them solo and then once a month or once every kind of six weeks we would meet together. So then I could work on them individually and see how I can make and shift things. And then together when we come, I would see how the arguments are evolving, how they're communicating with one another, what's changing. And it was really cool to see because, you know, he had a lot of methylation stuff and actually just I'm like, man, this is really low, Sammy. This is like depression levels.

And he kind of looks at me, he goes like, well, I would say I'm depressed. That's not anything that came up during the initial consult. It was on the labs. I look at it and I go, okay, so that makes sense. And maybe that's why you're stimulating yourself with nicotine so much or with caffeine or with whatever. And maybe that's why you're so irritated. He wasn't depressed in the same way that, you you're thinking about someone who is sitting on the couch and just eating chips or mindlessly doom scrolling or...

No, he was a hard worker. He would get up and push and you know, but he was so irritated and there was so little pleasure in life for him. He just would like get up and be grouchy. And so that's how depression showed up for him. And I, I mean, as a practitioner, I'm always assessing it and I can see it, but it's hard to tell somebody who's like, Hey, I think you're depressed. And he goes, no, I don't think so because I do this, this and this. And then you see it on the labs. You're like, you know, this is levels of

a level of this nutrient is someone who would experience a lot of depression. And he goes, you know, I am kind of depressed. Like I really do hate it here and I am always grouchy. And so it was cool to see that. But basically that first step was to open up drainage and calm the nervous system. Cause I just needed them to be able to bring down that adrenaline so they can actually hear one another. And I need them to move their digestive tract because it just wasn't moving enough.

They only needed two weeks of that. We were very effective with our herbs and our supplements because they've already done so much. And then because we did so much testing upfront, you know, within two or three days, she was like, my God, I've never pooped this much. And it feels so good. And this little like kind of pouch that she was having in her belly was disappearing because it's like, she was literally full of poop and she was getting it out. The second step was for her to get rid of these heavy metals.

and to really clear the uterine lining. So there's lots of herbs that we can use to help clear the uterine lining and bring blood flow to the uterus. And then for the heavy metal detox, we didn't want to push a really heavy, hard detox because we don't want to deplete the system. And we also don't want to just like stimulate a really deep detox because heavy metals can take years to get out of the system. But I do want to get this kind of initial load that's hanging out that her body is having hard time processing. It's probably

stuck in her tissues and your organs and mercury has an affinity for the reproductive system, the ovaries. And so when we're looking at poor quality egg, a lot of eggs and I see mercury, I'm, you know, I'm definitely thinking that there's a correlation and even lead obviously will cause a lot of oxidative damage, but lead tends to go to the bones and the nervous system and her brain function wasn't bad by any means, but she is quite petite. And so

I know that her bone density is something that's not, you know, super strong and we had to work, she works out and she does all those things, but we had to work on it. So we did the heavy metal detox and we decided to do suppositories, DMSA rectal suppositories, and then doing some uterine clearing. Of course, there's lots of mitochondrial support, liver support, gut support. And for him, there was a lot of microbiome support and then we kind of continued to bring his mood up and to lift him up.

because he was in the gutter and he was just the way that he was expressing it is this moodiness and this irritation. So it was really cool to see that. After three months, we retested her heavy metals. so this is the third step is we retest. Her heavy metals were gone, which is amazing. And we retested, we did a vaginal microbiome. And that was basically clear. There isn't really much that was going on there.

and we did some blood work and we retested the uterine lining. So the uterine lining unfortunately still stayed thick. it, I don't even think it decreased that much, but the amount of polyps, so she had like four polyps and then it went down to two polyps or she had, you know, five and they went down to two. So there was polyps that were decreased.

And of course she felt lighter, her digestion felt much better, energy's much better, HRV's starting to improve. For him, we actually saw the ferritin starting to go down and the cholesterol starting to go down. And this was huge for him because for the last two years, he has been trying to bring his ferritin down and cholesterol down and it has not gone down at all. So that was a really big, you know, win for him. The next step was, and this is where we are now, is we decided that

she's gonna need surgery. And the way that we decided that is because we retested blood work and we looked at day two and three and her FSH is at 14. So when we first met it was at like 21, but she was coming off IVF cycles. So I knew that her body needed time to reset. Now, four months later, her FSH as at 14 and her estrogen on day two or three is quite high. That AMH, she has pretty good AMH and pretty good LH, but what that tells us from this high estrogen in this high

FSH is that her body is actually trying to reset and her uterus is not resetting. So when there's a thick lining in the uterus, it's like the communication between the uterus and the brain and the ovaries is all hindered because the ovaries are not like, well, I can't ovulate. There's a lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of inflammation. The uterine lining is thick. It's not shedding. I can't ovulate. But then the brain is like, you got to ovulate. So it's trying to scream at the ovaries. That's why the FSH is high.

and then the ovaries are not responding because of what's going on in the uterus. So the decision that we had to make is, hey, do we give whatever we were doing three more months a try? So not the heavy metals, but like go a little bit more aggressive with the uterine lining cleanse, or do we go in for surgery, that, you know, get those polyps removed and scrape the lining to help essentially the brain, the uterus and the ovaries reset so then the body can start to ovulate.

We made the decision that we're going to do the surgery because we didn't want to wait another three to six months and retest that, you know, she started, she started having so many dreams about like having babies and her and her partner, like every month that we would have a call together. It was super cool to see how they would start to communicate to one another, the, how he started to treat her, how she started to understand and view him. Like there was just like so such a deeper connection.

to each other and there's, you could just see that that stress was mounting away for them. So that was super, super cool. And for him, we're gonna retest his ferritin again, because we kind of, we did a pretty big protocol. So another couple of months and I wanted to see what's going on with the ferritin. And then the goal is to essentially start trying. We are retesting the methylation because when I tested methylation on her, it was so bad. We've done so much work. Now before she starts.

you before she gets pregnant, I really do want to see what that methylation is doing. We do have some genetics on her as well, because then we know which genes are going to make it difficult for her to, or like what nutrient demands are going to be much higher for her once she is pregnant. And so we're going to do that and I'll keep you updated on this case. There's probably a couple more months until I have any updates, but here's my point. And here's what I want you guys to take away from this.

There is so much more to fertility and to understanding your health than doing a Google search, than following a child GPT protocol. And don't get me wrong, I love all the information and the data that's available to us because we can now advocate for ourselves. And when the doctor comes in and tells us, it doesn't matter when you test your hormones, you don't need to test this or it doesn't matter if progesterone is low.

You can literally punch it into Chagy P.T. or into Google and be like, yes, it does. It does matter. And you like you suck. I need another doctor. That's really good. OK, don't tell your doctor that they suck. But you know what I mean? Like it's just so frustrating when doctors I had a patient yesterday who was like, yeah, they just told me it was totally normal for me to bleed for an entire year. It's like, who says that? Like who would say that? Any?

woman would never say that. And any man that has ever had contact with a woman should also never say that. So it just makes me so frustrated. Anyways, the whole point is that there's so much more to being able to zoom out and understand what is going on for the body and why it's not responding. And for this couple, like this methylation component was so, so big. And then really understanding that...

the mental and emotional component and the lack of them being able to get along in the fights that they were having were actually that they are the foundation of their family. And they were that foundation was so cracked. And so she was trying to they were both hoping that like, well, once the baby's here, we'll just fix it. And they knew that it was wrong to think that but they also just didn't want to wait. And so I say this because I know and I feel the compassion for this couple and I was like,

You guys, really sucks that you can't figure that you are in this state, but don't you think it makes sense to sort through this? They just came to and they're like, yes, it makes sense. We've just been trying to sort it for the last three years and it hasn't been sorted. And this is where the physical component comes in because if he's depressed, if she is anxious, if she's really toxic and he has all these other microbiome imbalances, they are not really themselves. And so when they're having these fights and these arguments, it's not...

them fighting. the, you know, it's kind of like the bugs and the toxins that are not getting along and making them more, less understanding and angrier and, you know, more depressed. Like it's literally changing their personalities. And so as we removed those things, she relaxed and she's trusted, started to trust him more. And he saw that trust and he stopped being so grumpy. He wanted to actually spend more time with her and they would go on dates and he'd started to court her and just...

feel more like a couple as opposed to, you know, just in the trenches trying to get somewhere they don't even know, you know, where they're going. So don't underestimate methylation. That's another point. Your, the first point is that there's so much more to your health and to your fertility journey than following chai GPT, then don't underestimate methylation. And if your practitioner is not testing methylation, like I really hope that that becomes the new standard. And that's part of my vision in the

company that I'm building is like to set a new standard in natural fertility care. You have to start, we have to start learning about things that we're not comfortable with. I did not want to learn about methylation, but when I met my mentor, Dr. Leah Hetchman, and she started talking about methylation and how important it is, I started to learn about it because I understood how important it is and I saw where my patients were getting stuck. And it's because I didn't address methylation. The next point that's really important for you guys to take away is,

Don't underestimate your relationship with your partner. You are literally the foundation of your family, but it also will dictate your nervous system regulation. If you don't get along and there's a lot of tension and there's a lot of cortisol, your nervous system is hyped. So when we say stress impacts everything, you know, there's lots of memes out there on the fertility, in the fertility world about hating to hear.

that you just need to relax and you'll be able to have a baby. But there is truth to that. If your nervous system wasn't so uptight, intense and dysregulated, your hormones will function better. It's just the ignorance part of saying that is it's not just relaxing. It's not as easy as, I'll just relax and go on vacation. It's like digging deep and understanding why your nervous system is dysregulated in the first place. And a lot of it is unpacking your own crap, like unpacking your own traumas and understanding why did I even attract this person.

person into my life and why am I working 13 hours a day and or I hate my job and why am I even doing it? So there's a lot to the relaxation component, but regulating your nervous system is really important. And I believe your relationship with your partner can either really help you regulate your nervous system or it can make it very difficult. And so when I'm meeting a couple, I want to make sure that I feel good about bringing a baby into the world for this couple. And that means that they get along.

They like each other, they know how to solve arguments, they're connected, they can go through difficult things together because having a baby is going to be a very difficult thing. It's the hardest thing that you guys will do as a couple. And then the last thing, maybe there is more, but the last thing is the bugs and the metals, they will make it difficult for you to be you. So if you feel like you're just not yourself, it's because there is a high heavy metal.

toxic load or there is a microbial imbalance or there's something that's irritating your system and it's not really who you are. And that's why there's a lot of maybe even shame or frustration about saying some things and being really judgmental or being really abrasive with someone or, you know, just not knowing what to do and feeling lost because your own cells are just so suppressed and these bugs and these heavy metals and these environmental toxins are just running the show.

And so I use the testing to see what's really going on. And then I try to switch it and bring it to the fact that your human cells are much better and they're running the show. And then everything else is kind of in the background. The last, last thing that I'll say is you have to trust the process, but the process has to be working. Don't just trust the process when it's not working. So for her, she was trusting the process for two years, treating the lime and the mold and the detox. It doesn't take that long.

And don't get me wrong, it takes long for some people to go through the journey, but the way that we actually know if the process is working or not, besides looking at your symptoms, is to retest frequently. So I have a couple of patients that I'm working through right now and I will be able to share those cases a couple months down the road, but they have some very chronic things going on for them. Whether it's mold, whether it's slime, whether it's parasitic infections, really high heavy metal toxic load, a lot of trauma, a lot of mental and emotional...

generational issues that they are just sorting through, we have to retest frequently so we know where we're going. If you don't retest and you're like, let's just give it another three months, let's just give it another three months, that's how two years goes by. And in the fertility space, and I mean, honestly, it doesn't, to me, time is everything. So I don't want to, I'm not the kind of person that's like, I'm just gonna give it some time and see how it works out, even if I'm not trying to get pregnant.

because I think time is the only resource that you cannot get back. And so we have to start valuing our time and how we spend our time and who we spend our time with a lot more. And I see a lot of people not valuing that because you're like, eh, it's okay, it's not worth it. I don't wanna pay that much money for a test. You pay 600 bucks, a thousand dollars or $5,000 when you first start testing, but when you're retesting, you're not usually retesting everything, but.

paying 600 bucks or 700 bucks or even a thousand dollars to do a retest to see if you're moving in the right direction will save you thousands of dollars. Like it literally, and so much time because now you're not taking supplements that you don't, like she was taking 30 supplements and they weren't, I literally revamped all of them. I was like, I don't know, you don't need any of these. I don't know why you're taking them. I know why she's taking them, but like she just didn't need any of them. So keep that in mind. You need to, if you have a complex fertility case,

you need to retest frequently to know that you're moving in the right direction. And if you take just one thing away from this is that your body is incredible and it has such an amazing capacity to heal. And so if you're feeling broken and if you're feeling frustrated and you're feeling lost, you actually just have to lean back into data. And by data, mean, whether it's your data on the Oro ring or looking at the testing to see what you might be missing, because your body is always telling you the symptoms.

That's how your body communicates with you when something is off. But if you, it's so hard to listen sometimes and I still test, I have tests that I'm doing this week because I'm like, something is going on and I'm missing something. And instead of me guessing and getting another supplement and thinking it's this or it's that, I'm just gonna do some testing and then, you know, I always see a change as soon as I do that. So believe in your body, believe in yourself, invest in yourself.

know that you are the greatest investment that you can make because you are the first place that the baby will grow. And your relationship with your partner is the first relationship that your baby will see and model and understand. And so it's really, really important for you guys to invest into yourself and to do it quote unquote, smartly. So then you actually feel progress. I'm excited to share the next journey with this couple. There's a couple more months that we have.

and I hope to share a positive pregnancy test very soon. But when they came to me, they were for sure thinking that they need IVF. And now they're like, we want to try naturally. We want to see what happens. And then we might still need to do IVF. But the fact that they believe that and she sees that is such a big, big change in her and in him that I'm really happy and proud of the work that they have done. So thank you guys so much for being here. I know that was a lot. I hope you guys got a lot out of it.

and I appreciate you for tuning in every week and listening to my rants. So thanks again for being here and I'll see you next week.