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MacBook Air Microphone: Hello.

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So I have something new for

us today that is going to be.

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A pass the mic episode, the first

where I take the microphone and have

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somebody else ask me a question.

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So I obviously like to be

the one asking questions.

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So this won't happen very much, but.

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Uh, thank you in advance for listening.

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I also want to just mark the occasion.

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So the reason I'm, uh, had this

type of episode today is I have.

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The first 25.

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Podcast episodes published already.

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And it has been so much fun.

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It has been something I'd

wanted to do for so long.

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And to actually have the

opportunity to do it.

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And all of the wonderful

people that have allowed.

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Me to interview them and

be part of their lives.

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You know who you are.

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I so, so much appreciate it.

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The guests that I have here make

the podcast, what it is and I can't.

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Thank you all enough.

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Thank you all for being listeners.

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We've got over 700 listeners

and 10 different countries now.

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And I am just so thrilled that

this is potentially helping

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people and starting conversations.

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And if nothing else, that there's an

extra phone call or an extra text

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message that that will make a difference

at some point, with, with these topics.

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So.

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Anyway, without further ado.

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Thank you so much for listening

and let's get started.

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Liz: Hello, everyone.

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Welcome back to another episode of

real conversations about aging parents.

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This is your host, Rebecca.

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And today I am going to pass the mic.

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So, uh, periodically throughout the

podcast, I, I think it's important

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that I'm not the one always.

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Necessarily running the conversation

and, um, like some perspectives

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and give the opportunity to other

people that are part of the project

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or listen to ask me some questions.

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So I have a very good friend of mine, Liz.

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Liz.

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Thanks for being here.

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Thank you

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for

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Liz: having me.

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So you're a, an avid listener

and I always look forward to your

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comments and constructive feedback

on the podcast as they come out.

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And , you always need that kind of

person out in the community that can

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tell you when you edited something

wrong or when something maybe came off

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better or worse than you thought it did.

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Um, so thank you for being that person

for me, that that's really helpful.

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Absolutely.

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And so what we're going to do today is

we're going to be kind of unstructured.

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I wanted to give you the mic, um,

to ask questions about my experience

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or the podcast itself or anything

that, that you think as somebody

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listening would be relevant or helpful.

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So, uh, that's my cue to stop talking.

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Great.

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Okay.

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So my first question is why

did you start the podcast?

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. So I, I love podcasts in general, and

I've been consuming the vast majority

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of information through podcasts for

probably the last five to seven years.

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And uh, just as somebody who's

traveling on the road a lot or

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with my kids and just something

very easy to consume and listen to.

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And when I hear a great podcast, I share

it with my friends through a podcast link.

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And so.

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Thank you.

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When I wanted to get more serious about

this conversation and this project,

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I had first actually started a blog.

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Nobody knows about this because

nobody read it, which is reasonable.

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And so I got on medium.

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com and started writing.

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And what I noticed was I would

spend a lot of time and I love

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to write by the way, but I would

spend a lot of time writing it.

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And then I'd spend a

lot of time editing it.

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And then I'd put it out there and it

just didn't have any staying power.

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And I realized that I could,

uh, dictate into writing.

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Um, so then I started to do

that and then I was like, why

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don't I just talk on a podcast?

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That's probably Going to cut out a

lot of the middleman and make it more

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shareable than maybe a blog post would be.

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So I'm kind of a recovered blogger.

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Um, and then I moved into thinking

that there'd be a podcast.

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And then I just got excited because I

thought it'd be fun to talk to people

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in the same medium in which I've been

operating or listening for a long time.

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So that's, that's where the idea

of the podcast came in originally.

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I thought I was going to do a

podcast on multi generational living.

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And I pushed myself, I still

have the list to write down the

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podcast topics, but I just ran out.

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I mean, there's a finite number

of things as much as I love that

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topic that I could talk about.

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And I was like, who's going to be

driving to work and listen to a

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podcast on multi generational living,

especially if that's not part of their

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life or a potential part of their life.

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Um, I, I knew the podcast would.

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Would be fun for me and my, my friends

and colleagues that have, uh, known about

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this passion I've had for a long time.

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And I wasn't going to like send them

a, a podcast on bathroom dimensions.

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And what was ironic is as I

pivoted away from that, somebody

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actually started a podcast on.

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Multi generational living.

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And I've wondered how successful that is

and they're doing it really, really well.

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So that was kind of a funny thing

that that ended up popping up anyway.

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Um, but the minute I realized that I

could talk to people about these very

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deep, complex issues of the mind and

our connections with other people,

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given my, my background, that was it.

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Like my, my head exploded and

I was like, I must do this.

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Um, I must start the podcast

and I just started recording.

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That's awesome.

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I know we're certainly glad that you

have, um, really enjoyed, enjoyed

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listening to them and learning more.

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Each one makes me and my family

take a deep dive into the topic.

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So thank you for doing that.

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My next question is, um.

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What is the most surprising

aspect of the podcast so far?

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Well, that I, that I've been doing it.

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Um, I'm in a weird state of my kind of

professional life right now, making a

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lot of transitions and the fact that

it gets published every Wednesday

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has been a huge accomplishment.

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But other than the surprise of that, um,

I, when I started out, I thought that

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the podcast was going to reach people.

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Like me that are worried are

supporting aging parents.

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And what I have been surprised about

are the number of people that have

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picked it up as an aging parent.

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And listen to it and thought, Oh my God,

I don't want my kids worrying about this.

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Or, you know, I'm going to have this

conversation and I get this set up.

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And every time I get one of those stories

that trickles back that, um, that this

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is beneficial or at least eyeopening

for everybody, not, I mean, I, again,

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I kind of went into it thinking the

only people that would listen would be.

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People in my boat, but it's a community

issue and that that there's change

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coming in all directions to um To be

more prepared to be more open to be

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more caring and kind on this topic I

that's been surprising to me and it's

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actually made me a little paranoid

when i'm talking because I i'm always

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very Sensitive to not come off as like

ageist or, you know, we're here because

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people, other people are getting old.

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I mean, I'm getting old too.

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Everybody's getting older.

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And, and this is, this is geared towards

myself as well as a parent, you know?

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So, um, but yeah, as far as

surprising that that part is unusual.

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And then I realized like, you know, when

I'm talking to people in their sixties,

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They are right there in the middle.

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They, they saw their parents

alive in the eighties.

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And then they're also an, a quote unquote,

aging parent to somebody in their forties.

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And so that population has

probably been, um, one that I was

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surprised about, but they get it.

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That's the cool thing.

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When I talk to people in their

forties about this, they,

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they don't really get it.

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Um, They don't, uh, connect the same way,

uh, somebody in their, their sixties.

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And so I've, I've really enjoyed

kind of being surprised by that.

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Um, so as someone who's Um, in my late forties, I, I am, these, these

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topics do, do resonate with me because,

you know, I have aging parents and

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I also, you know, I am a parent and

what was surprising to me is that.

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My 30 year old daughter is

benefiting from these as well.

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I did not think she would be a

demographic who would listen to

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this type of podcast, but she is.

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And, you know, she looks forward to

them every Wednesday, just like I do.

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And, um, and it's.

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It's, it's helped our conversation

about, you know, how we will do things

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or how, you know, um, we will handle

things as, as I age or expectations

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that, that maybe I have or, or she has.

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Um, so that's been interesting to me.

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All right.

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So my next question is, um, which is this.

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I'm really curious.

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So how long does it actually take

to create each podcast episode?

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Uh, so they're, the episodes

are varying quality for sure.

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Um, the actual, from start to

finish, probably three to four hours.

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Wow.

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Um, because you've You know, find somebody

you work through, you know, whether

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or not they want to be a guest and the

privacy issues and make sure they're

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comfortable and then follow up and then

set up the recording almost always end

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up rescheduling between one of the,

one of the, both of us, a time or two.

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And then the actual

recording is the raw file.

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And then I go back and.

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And, um, that, that's also a varying

quality and I have some that I haven't

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been able to edit back to, to what

I consider a standard to publish

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that they're just sitting around.

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Um, and that's my, they're mostly the

ones I record on my own and then just

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can't stand when I listen back to them.

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Um, but a lot of the conversations

that I put out there are much

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longer than what you actually hear.

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Um, and I try to keep

them drive timable, like.

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Less than an hour for most of them

and less than that, even more ideal.

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So not heavily edited to like

change the substance, but the

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pauses and the, that kind of thing.

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And just try to go back

and crunch them up.

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Um, my daughter, the eight

year old does help me with

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editing as if it's not obvious.

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That's editing is, is not great.

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And, um, there's a couple of times

I've published a blank episode.

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That was embarrassing.

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Um, I mentioned this in a different

episode upcoming, but I have a

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tortoise in the same room where I...

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Record the podcast.

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And so I could hear the tortoise in the

podcast when I'm listening back to it.

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It's a thumping sound in the back.

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Um, but that's the best place

for me to record in the house.

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Uh, but yeah, it, it definitely, and I

go back and I read it a couple of times.

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I listened to it.

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Um, so by the time I've actually

published it, it's been three

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or four hours per episode.

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Wow.

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That's quite a time commitment for sure.

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It's fun though.

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I like it.

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It's never, it doesn't

feel like work to me.

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I, I, I love the topic and I love,

um, what's going out and I can see

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the potential to start conversations.

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And so just that part of my brain, um,

it, it, it, I look forward to doing it.

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I don't look at it like, Oh my God.

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Now, if I'm running late that there's

one podcast where I interviewed

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my kids and that was because I

had recorded one and I couldn't.

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I didn't like it and it

was really late in the day.

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And, um, and so then I grabbed

my kids and did those interviews.

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So that didn't take three

hours because they were here.

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Um, but yeah, so that's,

that's pretty much standard.

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I could do it in shorter periods

for shorter episodes, but yeah.

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Cool.

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That's good to know.

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And I will say, I think your,

your editing skills have

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improved since the first episode.

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Thank you.

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Right?

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Or your, your, uh, the

sound quality, et cetera.

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So you're just getting better and

better the more, the more you do.

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So my next question is, um, how many

podcasts do you think you'll do?

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So going back to when I talked about the

multi generational podcast that never

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happened, I was like, I could probably

do 50 and cover most of the topics.

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But when I switched to doing

conversations, I was like,

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there's millions of stories.

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I'll never run out of people.

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To find to tell me a story.

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Um, and so I know the potential

there is unlimited that there's way

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more people with stories and I have

Wednesdays left in my natural life.

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So I knew that was good.

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But going into it.

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I had this idea that I would do 100

And just see what happened and see,

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so I thought I would, um, watch the

growth, watch the uptake, you know,

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see if it was still resonating.

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Um, I certainly don't want to

do the podcast just for myself

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to listen to, but, um, yeah.

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So I'd set out doing a hundred.

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Hopefully I'll get way past.

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that, but that's two years of podcasting

and that's way more than most podcasts.

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Get most of them fizzle out right

about now, actually somewhere

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between 20 and 50 podcasts.

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They kind of go out with a lot of

steam and then they, um, publish

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and then they realize it takes a

lot of work and, um, and it's some

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organizational skills to, to do it.

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And I think, you know,

it's easy to lose sight of.

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I had also considered one point, just

doing a series, like knowing it would be.

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Say 50 episodes and then just saying

that from the beginning, like, okay,

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one of 50, two of 50, three of 50,

but I don't know if I, I didn't want

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to limit myself like that because

they're, they're too much fun.

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And I keep promising to do these

follow up episodes because I really

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want to, and there's people that

have things happening in their life

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that I'm going to follow up on.

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And I think that's part of

the conversation, right?

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Right.

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A couple.

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Yeah.

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I have on deck for next year already that

I, I can't wait to do and, and follow up.

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So that's awesome.

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That, that would be neat because I know

some of them where you have talked about

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following up, I, I definitely would

like a, a follow up on some of those,

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um, just to see how things work out.

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I'm really curious to see how,

how Anne's doing and, , what

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became of, her situation.

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She, she was back in episode seven

and I just reached out to her.

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She's moving in November of this year.

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So I'm thinking spring of 2024,

I'm going to come back around.

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Would be a good time.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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Um, so.

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What are you hoping people will

do as a result of listening?

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I think have a conversation.

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I think that's the most important thing.

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And I struggled with even

what to name the podcast.

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I had some like, you

know, quirky, fun names.

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And I had read this advice about

naming the podcast exactly what it is.

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So people knew like, it was just

like, that's instead of something

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abstract, you know, they were

like, that's, that's what that is.

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And so it has this very vanilla name, but

really the intent is the name as well.

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And it's real conversations

with aging parents.

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Is the intent of this podcast and, um,

or, you know, vice versa, so the aging

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parent having these conversations,

because that's, if I had to pick the

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one thing that I can't materialize in

the middle of a medical crisis for a

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patient, it's a prior conversation.

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I can't.

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There's no prescription for that.

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There is no, um, way to recreate that

time when that conversation could

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have been had, um, prior to this.

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And, and I, and I know I don't talk

about this a lot on the show, but

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I have extensive experience with

patients in a coma and other severe

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traumatic brain injury type outcomes.

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And they, they don't,

they can't communicate.

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Anymore because of the brain injury and

so those conversations are amplified

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the ones that they have with their

family all become amplified because

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that was their last communication from

a healthy normal working brain and and

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I just in general value conversations.

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I talk a lot, you know, I have a lot of.

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Um, activities in our house.

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We always have people over and dinners

and that's just a part of our lives.

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But I, if anybody hears anything,

um, I want it to inspire a difficult

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conversation, um, because that is

prevention for some of the, um,

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pain and suffering that I see.

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in a hospital setting.

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And, and that would mean the most

to me that it, it led to that.

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And I would say second to that, there's

a lot of difficult stories on, uh, the

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podcast and that is intentional as well,

because I, if anybody can hear themselves.

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In somebody else's story, um, especially

stories that are, aren't quite as rosy as

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others, um, to give them some community

to give them some, uh, validation or,

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uh, just less isolation in that topic.

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Like, what if I don't have a

good relationship with my parent?

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What if I'm estranged from my parent?

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What if my parent is abusive?

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What if, what if, what if, and

I will continue to seek out the

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diversity of stories for that reason.

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Um, so people can identify everybody who

can find something they identify with.

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Uh, throughout the stories and, and that

alone, I think is also something that,

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that you could take away or even giving

context or empathy to other people.

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So if you were blessed to grow up with,

you know, the number one parents, triple

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A, five star parents, and you have a,

a friend that's Not dealing with that,

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and it will give some context to that

and how that could be more difficult.

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And, um, maybe some of the

more challenging decisions

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that they have to make as well.

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So those are probably the two things.

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So conversations and community,

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that's awesome.

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Yeah.

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And I, as far as I'm concerned,

that's definitely, um, what,

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what's happening, um, for us.

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I know.

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And I'm sure, I'm sure

I'm not alone in that.

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Um, so how do you, how do you find guests?

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So I started by interviewing everybody I

knew, um, but, but quickly I was able to

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find people that knew people that I knew.

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And then it just started going from there.

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And more recently I've had people

just reach out as listeners or, um,

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somebody found me on the internet.

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Um, and then I'm in a bunch

of different communities,

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especially physician communities.

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And I'm always.

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Um, looking for, uh, people with

stories and so that's been good, too.

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And, uh, the experts,

that's even been fun.

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Um, I didn't originally plan to

interview experts, but I, I think

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that's a, I mean, I have the same

questions everybody else has, right?

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So, yeah, but, but I have a

forum to go find the people that

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I want to pick their brain and.

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Um, if there's anything that I enjoy

doing, it's picking other people's brains.

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And so doing that in that setting, that

means that I don't have to turn around

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and go tell all my friends what I learned

from an estate lawyer or something.

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I could just send them the link.

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It's so much easier.

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Um, but yeah, so I'll continue to

find, I think the key experts in

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these areas and, and, you know,

talk to them sometimes repeatedly.

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Um, but so yeah, it's

still, it's still early.

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Um, I don't, I don't feel like I'll

have a shortage of that, but I'm always

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keeping in mind again, that diversity

of trying to find people with different

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viewpoints, , I'd like to develop, um,

more diversity with the, , religious and

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cultural, , standpoints as well, because

that, that varies, that's a huge factor

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in how people think about their parents.

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Um, so, uh, anyway, yeah.

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So that's how I find them.

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And anybody who's listening

that wants to be on the.

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Podcast.

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They could always email me.

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The email address is story.

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S T O R Y at Rebecca Tapia md.

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com.

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And I can put that in the show notes.

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Right.

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That would be helpful.

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So what's next for the

podcast or in my life?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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All of the above.

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Um, no, I, in, in the, in

the podcast specifically.

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I love, I, um, I love doing it.

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What's next is, um, I think taking

what I did the first 25 times and,

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um, , growing it, making it better.

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Eventually I'll More

professionally edit the podcast.

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So what would be next would be actually

having them professionally sound edited.

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But until that point, we're going to,

well, it's makeshift it's tortoise time.

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I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's fine.

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Um, and the truth is these

conversations don't happen in a

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professional sound environment.

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, . Um, this is the first, , past the mic

I'm doing, but I have two or three in

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the works that I think will be good.

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And I think you'll hear a

different part of me if somebody

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else is talking to me versus me

talking to the microphone myself.

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And, um, and that'll help.

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That'll challenge me, I think, to be

to, to, yeah, just Think differently

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and give different answers than I

would if I was just asking myself.

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But yeah, I will continue doing, I

think next year, I think this, the

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next, uh, 12 to 18 months are going

to be really fun again, because we've

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already built so many cool stories

that are happening in real time.

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And I don't know of a lot of

other podcasts that do that.

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Um, usually once they have a guest

on, I mean, that's, it's a one time,

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uh, thing and it's usually like a

promotional thing or something, but

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now, um, we have real life stories.

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There's a real life people there.

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going to come back and say,

Oh, you know what I said?

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Here's, here's what really happened.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Well, and, and, and in that regard, I

would also say, um, or I'd like to say

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not to be so hard on yourself about

the, uh, the sound because part of it

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does make it feel like, like, You're

having a conversation with, with a

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friend when I'm listening, I feel like

I'm having a conversation, you know, or

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I'm part of your conversation, um, you

know, so, so you're keeping it real.

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Well, I'm going to put

that in my show notes.

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Liz said to keep it real and I don't

have to obsessively sound edit these.

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What's funny, and this is probably

too much information, but there's

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a cool setting in the editing

software I use called Studio Sound,

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but it makes me sound like a frog.

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But it cleans up the audio beautifully.

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Um, and I used it with the, uh, the

podcast with Cecilia and it still bothers

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me how, how the sound is on that one,

but that's, that's a beautiful podcast

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and I've just left it that way, but, um,

that's just an example of, there is a

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lot of tools that can clean that up, but.

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Um, sometimes at the expense of the tone,

the tone gets messed up a little bit.

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So if you ever hear me sounding

like a frog, it's because of

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the, the, the software editing.

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And it's much faster for me to sound

like a frog and have it clean than

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me to go back and do it manually.

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So there, yeah, that's it.

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So now we know.

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Yes.

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Well, great.

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This was, this was fun.

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Is there anything, I appreciate you giving

me this opportunity to have the mic.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Um, is there anything else that you'd

like to share with us before we go?

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Um, so I'm going to tell people,

um, a little secret, which is

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you were one of the first people

I recorded and I learned a lot.

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I know.

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I know you're going to turn red now.

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And I learned a lot from the

recording, but I wanted to make a

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point that by the time we were done,

the most important thing to me is

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that somebody is comfortable and

that this is a very private topic.

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And when I'm interviewing

somebody that I know in real life.

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That can be really challenging because

we know a lot of the same people

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and, um, I say this because I want

to, if anybody's wondering, reassure

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it, there are things I've recorded

that I don't end up publishing.

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Um, it's even after I record them,

I always send and, you know, ask

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for edits or make sure they're okay.

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Um, and, and those are the ones that

will end up actually in the podcast

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and, and I know that was hard for

you and it was actually a really.

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Um, one of my first interviews.

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So it was kind of choppy on my end,

but eventually I would like to find a

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way to, I think you have an incredible

story and a lot to share and, um,

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find a way to do that, but that's

just an example of that, you know,

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the, again, the, the baseline here is

these are private issues and that's

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one of the main reasons we only really

use first names unless somebody asks.

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Or tells me that they're going

to use a second name so people

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can find them their last name.

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So, uh, for a couple of people,

they've been like, Oh, you can find

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me on Instagram and they're very open.

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But for everybody else, we're

using either a first name or even

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a pseudonym, uh, for many of them.

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Um, and if that allows them to be

candid and, um, I think that's,

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uh, you know, that that's good.

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So I, I do appreciate

you doing that recording.

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I know we can, uh, eventually go back

and do something again, but you're

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right in the middle of it, right?

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I would like to redeem myself.

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That was a terrible recording.

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No, it wasn't!

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Well, um, anytime I ask you questions

about, you know, your family and you

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know your family will listen to this,

that's, that's different than me

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asking somebody I've never met in a

different state that there's no chance

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anybody's ever going to find this.

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So, so anyway, it taught me a lot

and I appreciate you being willing

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to be one of the first people that.

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I was like, yeah, let's do an interview.

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But it was a good early lesson of, I, it

helped me develop my standard of like,

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um, this isn't meant to hurt anybody.

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This isn't meant to

make anybody sleepless.

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And so if, if I ever get into that again,

you know, those, um, I have a much clearer

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picture of kind of how to handle that.

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So I'm glad that it was

beneficial in some way.

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So, so now the listeners, the

listeners know if you have a, uh,

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a, um, A recording with a robotic

sounding voice is going to be me.

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We just talked about this.

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I was like, Oh, I could disguise your

voice, but everything was so obvious.

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It was like, because your

story is so unique, though.

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I mean, your story is so,

um, is so individualized.

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And so the coolest thing, another

thing was that came out of when I

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did the recording with you, your

daughter was there and She's 30.

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Right.

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Um, and so I thought she was in the

corner on her phone, , and wasn't really

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paying attention, which I wasn't wanting

her to it was just like, I noticed she

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was in the same area, but seemed kind

of paying attention to something else.

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And so I wasn't even talking to you

thinking that she was listening at all.

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And the coolest thing, and I do

have this part recorded, is when

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I turned it off, and she was like,

wait a minute, what does this mean?

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And she just had this, like,

these wheels start turning.

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And then I thought, okay, if, if a

30 year old on their phone is like

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feeling connected to this topic,

um, that could be really cool.

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Like maybe I'm too narrow in my scope

of who I think might benefit from this.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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You're right.

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It's happening to all of us that,

you know, even if you're even

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your kids have aging parents.

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Yes.

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Yeah, absolutely aging parents.

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And hopefully it will benefit them

in the future as well, you know,

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and they they can listen to these

Um, as they get older, right?

515

Yeah.

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Let me give you some other, um, titles

of what I thought I was going to call it.

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So one was, um, what to expect when

you're expecting aging parents.

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Oh, I thought that'd be fun.

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Um, and then another was kind of silly.

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It was like, Supporting

your boomer parents.

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And then that was kind of dumb,

but anyway, so I went through it.

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I was trying to make it catchy

and it ended up being the lamest

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title ever, but then it's so

clean, which is exactly what it is.

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It's perfect.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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But yeah, no, it's, it's been

really fun and I'm glad we got to.

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Absolutely and I think some of the

conversations are, um, like for me

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personally, it has, it spurred me on to,

um, getting my funeral plan set up and

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I'm 48, you know, and my husband thought,

but, you know, why are you doing that now?

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You know, we don't, we

don't need that right now.

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And, um, You know, but

it's, it's inevitable.

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It's going to happen to all of us.

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So why not?

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Why not now?

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Um, you know, I think it's,

it's, it's, it's really starting

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some good conversations.

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So.

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Yeah.

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And you, um, I mean, we'll get more into

your story in a future episode, but you.

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Are also a widow as well.

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Right.

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Before you got remarried,

you've already been through the

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young age of losing a spouse.

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And so I think you're probably in a

different head space of, you know,

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this Canon does happen and it is tough.

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And how do I make it

easier for everybody else?

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So we, we don't have to open that

topic here, but I, but, but yeah.

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You say that with a very special

context as well of, of knowing

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what it's like to go through that.

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So absolutely, . And I don't think

I mentioned this to you before, but

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it also, um, my mom went with me.

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Um, and so she planned

her funeral as, as well.

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So that's a win.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah, totally a win.

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So, um, so that, that was good.

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My grandmother that lives

with us, uh, Nana, uh, she.

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She planned everything a long time ago,

and she planned it all the way down to

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the songs that she would allow to be sung

at the, uh, service, her favorite songs.

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And so I always thought that was, I will,

of course, when I heard that the first

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time I was like, that's kind of creepy.

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And then later, I was like,

why the hell not, right?

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You're not planning, planning your party.

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Right.

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So, um, yeah, so that's the way

I, I, I, I think about it, but,

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um, but thanks for sharing that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Well, this was fun.

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Thank you again for allowing

me to be the guest host.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, I'll have you back in the future.

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We got a lot of things to talk about.

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We do.

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Um, and I'm taking notes on my current

situation and that we can, um,

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talk about it on a future episode.

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That's like one or two

margaritas before the podcast.

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I've never had a margarita

before any podcast, but for that

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one, that might be possible.

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Yeah, yeah, we might have to.

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Well, thank you, Liz.

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You mean a lot to me and to the show.

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And I just thank you for being

a part of it and coming up

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with some great questions.

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And I will talk to you soon.

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Sounds good.