In this heartfelt episode, Twanna Henderson sits down with Carrie Pankratz to explore how hospitality can be a powerful form of evangelism—regardless of personality, resources, or life stage. With stories, humor, and biblical insight, Carrie reminds us that while hospitality may be messy, it's a divine invitation to love our neighbor. You don’t need a perfect home—just a willing heart.

Welcome to T Time: Spiritual Conversations

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for, with, and about women.

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I'm your host, Twanna Henderson, and

as always, I want to remind you to

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like this broadcast and to definitely

share it with someone that you know.

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Well, you know, this year we have been

focusing on the topic of building and

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rebuilding a culture of evangelism.

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And with that, I am so excited

about our guest for today.

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Our guest is Carrie, Carrie Pankratz.

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Carrie and her husband have been

serving in ministry together

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since they married in 2003.

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In 2009, they uprooted their

family to plant a church in Utah,

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where they continue to serve.

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Carrie runs a blog titled

"Messy Joyful Journey".

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I've got to get back to that title and

talk about that, where she encourages

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Christians to love their neighbor well.

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Through biblical hospitality.

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She's passionate about opening her

home, sharing meals, and pointing

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people to Christ in everyday moments.

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Carrie is also a coach with Alongside

Ministry Wives, which is a ministry

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dedicated to empowering Ministry Wives

to be dynamic partners in ministry

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and embracing the opportunities

unique to their God given calling.

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Carrie, welcome to T Time.

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Carrie Pankratz: Thank

you so much for having me.

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Twanna Henderson: It's so good to

have you and so good to meet you.

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And like I said, I want to first ask you

about that title: Messy Joyful Journey.

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Where did that come from?

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Carrie Pankratz: Well, it's funny

because it's been kind of a process,

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but, I'm in a house full of ADHD people.

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So it started just with like, ah,

but then just thinking about life and

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ministry and especially in relationships,

relationships are messy and a lot of

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beautiful things come from the messy.

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And so that's kind of where

that title came from, that you

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know, sometimes life is messy.

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Relationships are messy.

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And my house is often

messy, but there's joy.

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There's joy in all of that.

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And God uses all of that.

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Twanna Henderson: And I think, you

know, that's so authentic because a

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lot of times we don't like to talk

about the messy, but you know, it

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is what it is, you know, it's life.

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So, but as I said, you know,

earlier, T Time has been focusing on

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evangelism this year and we've just

had a wonderful year of just talking

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about, people, meeting and, and, and

knowing and coming to know Jesus.

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And I want to talk a little bit about

your story and, how God, led you into

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this area of biblical hospitality.

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Carrie Pankratz: Yeah, it's funny

because it started out, I mean,

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I actually see myself as a little

bit domestically challenged.

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So even though I love people

and I mean, to the point where I

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took the strength finders thing

and my top five were all blue.

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So, and that's like the people

category and I actually cried about

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it because I'm like, okay, so the only

thing I'm good at is liking people.

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Like, it really felt like it wasn't like,

it's not like some great leadership thing.

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Like I, like all the other things

that I thought were better.

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And then when I look back at my journey

and where God placed me, I now can see.

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And actually when I did the top 10,

it's actually my top seven are blue.

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But, but it started way

back really with evangelism.

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My husband and I served in college

ministry and we wanted to take our

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students on, actually, we wanted to

take them on an overseas mission trip

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and we were going to go to Ukraine, but

our church was going through a building

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campaign and you know my like what we

can't take our kids overseas because

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we're doing a building campaign and

like I did not have the best attitude

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and really looking back I can see

it was absolutely part of God's plan

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because what we did is because

they weren't telling us we couldn't

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go on a mission trip just you

it's Ukraine is too expensive.

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Like let's not drain

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our resources.

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And so we did it was during

right after Hurricane Katrina.

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So we did a service trip to do cleanup and

then we wanted to do more of a theological

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trip, so we actually came out to Utah and

I would say that was the trip that changed

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our students and us more than anything.

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Because if there is a, a trip

that will challenge you to know

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what you believe in, and why?

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It's that because you're talking to

people who know what they believe

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and they use scripture to defend it.

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And so it really transformed like, okay, I

got to know why I believe what I believe.

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Like why is christianity true

and not some other religion when

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Jesus says like, I'm the only way.

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So let's, let's look at this.

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And, and so we would come to Utah and we

actually, I mean, our students would come

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back without us to just go on trips too,

because they loved it so much because

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the people here are so easy to talk

to and they like to talk about faith.

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And, well, some of them, some of them

have been burned and it's, I mean,

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there's two opposite extremes here.

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But the population is still less than 2

percent Christian and where we are, it's

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probably around one and, but we would

come on these trips and someone would,

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like we'd evangelize and they would become

a Christian and then we'd try to get

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them plugged into a church and realize

the nearest church was 45 minutes away.

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And we're like, okay, like this is,

you can't, it's not just tell people

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the gospel, it's make disciples and,

and yeah, sometimes it's like one

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waters, one plants, one waters, and

it's a process, but there just weren't

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Christians here to do that work.

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There weren't enough.

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And so

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our solution was to move here.

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So when I moved here, I quickly realized

that what we did on mission trips is

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not what it's like when you live here.

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Like you're not going to be

like in people's faces and

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it wasn't in people's faces.

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It was very respectful.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah.

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Carrie Pankratz: But some of

the conversations we have that

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would put a wall between you

and a person in a relationship,

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like it's fine with strangers.

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And actually, I think it's important

that we have people that do come and

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say some of the hard things to get

them questioning, but it's hard to

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continue a relationship with that.

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So moving here, I found that my biggest

ministry was just being real and, I have

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a couple of stories like early on, we,

you know, I had toddlers at the time,

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and our next door neighbors moved in,

like the sweet couple who did not have

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kids yet, and they came to our house,

and I invited them in, and they had to

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step over toys to get to the table to

sit down and, you know, have dessert

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with us, and but I just opened my door.

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And that is not common in this culture.

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And I think in a lot of cultures,

like if someone doesn't know you're

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coming and their house isn't ready

for you, they don't let you in.

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And a few years later, when she had

kids, I knocked on her door and she

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invited me in with a pile of laundry

on the floor and dishes in the sink.

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And I'm like, okay, we

have a real friendship.

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Like that's where real things can happen.

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And so early on, I started to notice

that, but then, and this is funny because

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the, the blog posts that you saw, I wrote

that kind of realizing I had invited

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a friend over and the first words out

of my mouth were like, Oh, I'm sorry.

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It's not as good over here as this other

couple who, we got to a place in our

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church where it had grown and we had other

people that were hosting things and they

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had so much more than I did and they were

better cooks than I was and I started

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to get really insecure and which I'm

like, okay, what is going on with me that

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I don't feel like I can invite

people into my home when I had

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no problem inviting people into a

tiny apartment when we had nothing.

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And, and we actually have more now.

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Like I don't, I don't not have

a good place to invite people

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to, but it was all inside of me.

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So I wrote a blog post, but then the funny

thing about that is, you know, I was so

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determined I'm going to invite people in

more, I'm going to have them for meals.

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And immediately it's like, God's like,

that's great, but now I'm going to teach

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you what real biblical hospitality is.

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I found out right after writing that

blog post that I had to have rotator

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cuff surgery on my dominant shoulder.

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Twanna Henderson: Oh my goodness.

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Carrie Pankratz: That for sure

that recovery puts you completely

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out of commission for six weeks.

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Twanna Henderson: Oh wow.

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Carrie Pankratz: You

cannot move your shoulder.

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And I tried to do things left

handed and it was really humorous.

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But what that did is it put us in a place

where, our church family had to step in.

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So I was the recipient of being

cared for by my church community.

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And that was really hard for me because

I'm the one who wants to do that.

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No, this is what I'm doing.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Carrie Pankratz: So I really feel

like God wanted to show me A.

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That it's hard to accept

from other people and B.

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That we were blessed by all

kinds of different things.

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Like one of the people, they

don't feel like they can cook.

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They ordered us pizza to be delivered.

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Pizza and salad and dessert.

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That was my kid's favorite meal.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah.

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Carrie Pankratz: The whole time.

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And it's not like she

had to make something.

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And then the friend who made the pretzel

dogs and made extra to put in our freezer

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so that my kind of, my kid who kind of

gets anxiety around new foods, knew that

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there were pretzel dogs in the freezer if

he didn't like what was, what was coming.

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And, And so there were just so many

things during that, that I'm like,

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okay, Lord, now I see different.

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And then I was ready.

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So I'm getting, I go to the doctor, I

get my permission to get out of my sling.

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And that day we got a phone call

that we had been approved to foster.

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So someone in my family, one of

my loved ones had been through

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an extremely difficult time.

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The loss of a spouse and he was

just in a position where he could

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not care for his children anymore.

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The care that they needed at that point.

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And so it was one of those eyeopening

things where I'm like, this is,

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this is biblical hospitality.

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And that's so we, we got the two, so I

had teenagers at the time, and so we got

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a three year old and a seven year old.

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Twanna Henderson: Oh, wow.

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Carrie Pankratz: And we had to,

you know, it was, it was through

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the system, so everything has to be

a certain way in your home, so my

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kids had to sacrifice their rooms,

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and

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it was, it was a lot for our whole family.

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But what it did is we got to love

these kids in a stable environment.

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We got to show them the Lord.

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My husband's a pastor and the

little, the seven year old would

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sit front and center and he would

listen to everything my husband said.

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And on the way home,

he'd be talking about it.

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And I mean, it was just.

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It was hard, but it was also just

so eye opening that he had never

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experienced that in his life before.

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And, I got the blessing of having

a little girl cause I have boys.

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So that was amazing.

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And then also being able to love

on that family member and show them

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that like, I'm not judging you in

this, because I know that my heart.

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I mean, we were raised very

similarly and my, I could be in

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the same sort of circumstances.

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Like you don't know what

could lead you to that.

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So it wasn't a judgment.

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It was an honest, like,

what can I do to help?

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And the only answer I had was Jesus.

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And so I was able to, that's what I,

that's what we were able to share in that.

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And for me, that was so eye opening

because when I was thinking about

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biblical hospitality, I was thinking,

well, I'm going to invite people

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over for dinner, which it's, it's,

it is that it's not less than that.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah.

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Carrie Pankratz: It's also because

this was a person in a very hard time

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that was somebody that I deeply love.

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It helped me to see, okay, all these other

people struggling, they're image bearers.

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And they are just like this

person that's struggling.

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I know his heart.

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I know that, it's not like he

set out to make bad choices.

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It's, there were very hard things and

how can we love people better in that?

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And it totally changed my view

of even just like remembering to

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see everyone as an image bearer.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah.

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And I think that's what

we're called to do.

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And I think it is hard, it is hard to

do that because we, you know, I mean,

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what you all did is so commendable

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and even though it was family members,

it's still hard to be able to do that

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because for various reasons that we feel

like we're not, we just we're not the

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right ones or whatever the case may be.

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And I want to just give a little context

of what you were, you were talking about

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the blog and some of those listening,

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The blog that, Carrie had about

hospitality, biblical hospitality,

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and that's when I reached out to

her and say, hey, you did this blog.

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You know, I would love for you to come

on T Time and really talk about that and

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talk about, just how, we can reach people

through those different kinds of, avenues.

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I know you mentioned about, you know,

it's more than just coming around

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food, but a food is a huge thing

because we all love to eat, of course,

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but I love how you talk about how everyday

meals and gatherings really become

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opportunities for a gospel conversation.

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Carrie Pankratz: Yeah, 100%.

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Well, it's funny because when I

was thinking about the people that

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we've seen impacted, when I look

back, I was first impacted by that.

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When I think about being a 12 year old

and my friend's mom, who would welcome

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me in when we had, you know, I have some,

some fun family dynamics growing up.

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And my friend's mom, I know my friend's

mom gave me a safe place and she was

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a Christian and she would drive me to

church and she would make me a baked

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potato and all those things that just seem

like she was just living out her faith.

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And that's the thing is I

honestly believe that this is just

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living out your Christian faith.

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And, I think about in Utah, one of the

things was just, you know, inviting

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a tired mom neighbor in that I saw,

and I said, you want to come have a

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cup of coffee, which is funny because

people here don't drink coffee.

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And she was, that's a part

of the predominant religion,

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they're not allowed, but, this neighbor

had, she was no longer practicing,

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but she'd never had coffee before.

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So.

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she came over and I made her a cup of

coffee and we just started talking.

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And at first, you know, it's

just, you're talking about little,

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just kind of surface things.

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And then, you know, she came over

the next day for a cup of coffee.

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And then we got to a point where

I was able to share kind of some

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of the struggles that I had had.

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And for us, it was a little easier

to talk about faith because we

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moved to Utah to plant a church.

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So it's super easy, but in that,

It's more talking about how the

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Lord has transformed my heart and

how I see the world differently

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and how I love people differently.

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And then that brought her to a place

where she felt safe to share kind of

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her faith journey and where she was at.

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And it's not like we sat down and I'm

like, tell me about what you believe

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about God, which sometimes can happen.

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Like sometimes those things are

appropriate, but, I found that most

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of the time it is just honestly

getting to know people and being real.

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Like, I don't present myself as a

perfect Christian because I'm not.

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But my heart is to, to walk

rightly before the Lord, you know,

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to, I want to love people well.

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And when I think about Another

neighbor who, and it's funny

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because that phase I had young kids.

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And so in the early phase, those were

the people that I would invite in.

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And so I remember one of my

friends, saying like, nobody

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talks about how hard it is.

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Everyone talks about what a blessing it is

to have kids and it is, but I'm exhausted.

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And so I just said, Hey, let's

go get hot chocolate because

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she doesn't drink coffee.

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So I picked her up.

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We went, we got hot chocolate and we just

sat and talked and like, those are where

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the, the real relationships

happen, but that's also where you

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get to talk about truth and the

gospel is what cuts to the heart.

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It's not my words or my

great way of saying anything.

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It's when they see the gospel and really

understand it, it cuts to the heart.

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So it's not my job to

make them do that, but,

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it is to share the truth.

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And a lot of that just comes from what's

going on in my own life and my own heart.

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And so we've seen people come

to faith here through that,

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but it takes a long time.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah.

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Carrie Pankratz: And like I said

before, like, it's not just you

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share the gospel and you're done.

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We're called to make disciples and

that happens in living everyday life.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah,

it happens over time.

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And I can see some people really being,

kind of intimidated or feeling Intimidated

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or unqualified to, to really evangelize

that way, or just feel like I don't

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have the gift of hospitality, you know,

what, what advice would you, would you

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give someone who, who feels like that?

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Who's listening to this?

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Carrie Pankratz: Yeah, well, I think we're

all called to love our neighbor, whether

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we have the gift of hospitality or not.

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Like, I think we are all called to that.

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And, I would say.

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Use, use what you do have.

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I mean, I, one of my favorite times is

I sat, well, there were two, okay, one,

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I sat with a woman and we drank ice water.

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That was all I had to offer at the moment.

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And actually it was all she could have

because she was, had a procedure coming up

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and instead of canceling, like let's drink

water and like have a glass of water.

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It is not about what you do.

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It is about the relationship.

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Twanna Henderson: Now

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Carrie Pankratz: let

me, let me, let me say

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Twanna Henderson: this, Carrie.

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Now, remember you're

blue, you're seven blue.

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Carrie Pankratz: I am blue.

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I know.

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I totally understand.

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Twanna Henderson: So what about

other people who are not blue?

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Carrie Pankratz: No, I get it.

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I totally get it.

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Well, and the thing is, obviously I'm

going to do this more than other people,

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but everyone can say to a neighbor

and when you're taking your trash cans

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out, like, Hey, how are you doing?

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Like if you're out on your porch

and someone walks by just saying

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hello, can start a conversation.

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It doesn't have to be a big ordeal.

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It doesn't even have to be a long time.

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It could be little small hellos.

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I mean, we are in a culture that

drives into our garage, closes

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the garage, and that's it.

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And I think we are desperate

for true community.

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That's what we were created for.

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Whether you are people or you're not,

it is in us that we need community and

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it doesn't even have to be in your home.

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I mean, I had So I was having a

Bible study with someone kind of

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doing a discipleship thing at coffee,

and a guy walks up and saw that

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we were doing that and, and asked,

like, what are you guys doing?

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And here's where I say, like, you

don't have to know everything.

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You don't have to, you don't have to

be great even at knowing apologetics.

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All we did is, He asked, like,

what are you guys studying?

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And, and I said, Oh, what

do you think about this?

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Like, what, do you have

a faith background?

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That's all I asked.

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So this, this man, he, he pretty much

had kind of created his own religion.

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Like he started talking about what

he believed and, but instead of

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saying that's ridiculous, all I said.

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Pretty much over and over.

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Wow, that's an interesting idea.

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I've never actually even

heard of that before.

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How did you come to that conclusion?

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And then he would kind of go off something

else and then he'd have something else.

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I said, huh, that's so interesting.

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What made you think that and and it

wasn't attacking it wasn't anything

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and by the end of the conversation He

pretty much said, you know, I think

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I actually just kind of thought of

it on my own and created it myself.

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And I said, oh so it's like your own

religion and he thought about he's

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like, yeah But then at the end of that

conversation He gave me a hug And he

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said, it was so nice talking to you.

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And that for me and that I've

kind of brought into my home with

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my neighbors because it wasn't

a contentious conversation.

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I was just asking him, Oh,

what makes you think that?

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Why do you believe that?

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He was the only one who did the talking,

and in the end, we did get to share,

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I said, would you like to hear what

we're studying and why we believe this,

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and I did get a chance to share with

him, but it was just such a beautiful

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time of, I was honestly finding out

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about who he is and and that brings

you to a place where like I can see the

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things that are important to this guy

and why he's hurting and if this was

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a neighbor that gives me something to

talk about Later, and I actually care

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about this person like it's not and so

The the conversation part it doesn't

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have to happen depending on who you are.

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It doesn't actually have

to happen in your house.

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You can have someone on the front porch.

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It doesn't have to be.

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And on my blog, what I

started doing is easy.

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Like if you want to throw something

together, grab some cream cheese,

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throw some caramel and some toffee bits

with apples, greatest dessert ever.

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Like I have a lot of easy things.

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If you feel like that's because food

does, it gives us something in common.

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I absolutely love, I love using food and

I'm actually not that good of a cook.

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I had to, I had to find ideas.

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I remember being in my twenties and

one of my friends literally made me

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a cookbook of easy recipes I could

do because I felt so inadequate.

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And here's the thing.

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I'm peopley and I do think I have the

gift of hospitality, but it doesn't mean

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I'm a good cook or I'm a good that I, my

house always is decorated beautifully.

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It means that I welcome, it's natural

for me to welcome the stranger.

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And if it's not natural for you

to welcome the stranger, that

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doesn't mean you're off the hook.

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That just means you have to be more,

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Twanna Henderson: You

gotta work hard at it.

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Carrie Pankratz: You gotta work hard

at how you welcome the stranger.

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And I want to help with that.

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I want to help you think through a

way that you can't like, if you don't

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have the money for it, you can make

a pot of soup very cheaply, or like

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I said, offer someone some water.

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It's about the relationship

and the connection and,

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Twanna Henderson: And I think it does

require being intentional because we do

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live in a culture where people do kind

of, you know, they roll out their trash

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can and they kind of wave their hand or

whatever, or they, and they keep going.

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I mean, we just, you know, we have people,

you know, a lot of times we don't know our

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neighbors or all these different things.

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And so, and then people are

sort of like suspicious, like.

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Why are you talking to me almost?

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And so I think really kind of being

intentional about making those

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connections, because, you know, the key

thing you said was, you know, whether

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we have that gift of hospitality or not.

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We are called to love our neighbor.

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And I think that's the thing that

we really have to think about.

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I want to talk about, you know, when you

do have people in just the boundaries,

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because with, you know, when you're

balancing that with, serving guests and

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maintaining healthy boundaries with your

family or just with your home, you know, I

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hope they don't open that drawer or go in

that closet or whatever the case may be.

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But how do you, how do you, how do you

balance that, that boundaries part?

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Carrie Pankratz: Yeah.

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And a lot of that is

communication within my family.

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Like what my family is going

to be comfortable with is

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going to be totally different.

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My husband is also very extroverted

and it is, he's actually, which this

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is interesting, is I actually think

I'm an introvert who loves people.

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Because I, I'm, it's, it's kind of

a weird thing because I realized I

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actually do need to decompress after

being around people, but I love people.

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Where my husband is an extrovert, he

could have people all the time around.

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And it's, it is funny that this

is just in the past few years, I

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always thought I was an extrovert.

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Now I'm right in the middle.

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Yeah.

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So I don't require a ton, but I do

sometimes get on people overload where I'm

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like, I need a little bit of alone time.

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So my husband would actually invite

people into our home constantly too.

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So we have to communicate and in different

seasons, it looks very different.

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This year I am, I was a teacher this year.

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I'm not teaching to help

one of my kids in school.

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This year I have a lot more freedom.

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When I was teaching, there was a

period where I didn't even feel

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like I could, unless it was summer.

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I didn't feel like I could invite

people in because I had nothing left.

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So being, I still would, but it wasn't a

twice a week, every week sort of thing.

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It was a once a month, we're going

to be intentional about this.

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And, so I have a friend who is very

She has an amazing gift of hospitality.

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Her husband is an extreme introvert.

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And

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so she isn't the one that's like,

Oh yeah, come over to our house.

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Like if she invites a neighbor over,

she's got to talk to her husband first,

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like, Hey, will this be good for you?

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And if it's a phase where, Hey, it's

not, she'll take them to coffee or

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she'll go to, she'll go and bring dinner

over to their house or bring a treat

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over to their house to talk to them.

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Like you, you really do need to

protect the boundaries of your family.

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And, and even when we were fostering.

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I am more careful about people I'm

allowing into my home in that situation.

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We had a small group that supported

us that was there every week,

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but we didn't, you have to be.

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You have to be intentional, but

also aware of what your, what

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the rest of your family needs.

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So I'm not saying everyone has

to have an open door every minute

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of your life, because that's

not, that's not healthy too.

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Now, sometimes God does bring

opportunities that you're not

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ready for, like we experienced.

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Twanna Henderson: Yeah, yeah.

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Carrie Pankratz: But, so you kind

of, prayer is a huge thing too.

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I should have said that a long time ago.

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Bring, this isn't something

that Carrie is doing on her own.

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This is God opening doors.

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I mean, if I'm on a walk and a new

neighbor walks by, I'm going to say hello.

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And if God opens that

door to start something.

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And it is really funny the way God

will do that too, because I had had a

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conversation with a friend that, you

know, the, the way our world is right

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now, the conversation was on homosexuality

and I walked down the street, there

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was a neighbor I had never met.

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And, walked outside and I meet

this new, gay couple that moved in.

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Well, for me, that's an opportunity

to get to know my neighbor.

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And in Utah, I mean, the

culture here, it is hard.

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For people who, and I, I don't know if

it's that way in the South, too, but in

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California, it was where I'm from, it

was a lot, a lot, everything was a lot

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different, where here, there is a very,

you know, the main world view, and then

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there are a whole bunch of outsiders,

and interestingly, Christians are

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kind of in the outsider category, too.

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So, it, it gives a great

opportunity to get to know

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someone who is different from me.

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But that's the thing, like, we are

all different and we're coming at

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things differently, but we are all,

again, we are all image bearers

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and our heart needs the same thing.

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And we have things in common

and our culture right now, I

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think, is so much us versus them.

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And yes, we have an enemy, but it

is not my neighbor three doors down.

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Twanna Henderson: Oh, wow.

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That's good.

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That's good.

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Let's know.

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Let's let that sink in.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I've got an enemy, but it's

not my neighbor three door.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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And what I really, what I really

like from this, this is so good.

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Like we could go on and on and on and on.

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It's going back to you saying

that we're all called to love.

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Carrie Pankratz: Yes.

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Twanna Henderson: I mean, that's,

that's, that's the crust of this.

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I mean, that's, that's it.

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I mean, that's the challenge.

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That's, that's, that's it.

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I know we, as we've got to close and

I hate to close, because the time

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like just flew by, but there are those

who are listening, to this podcast,

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who, who never really thought about

evangelizing through biblical hospitality.

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I mean, it's just, you know, and that's

why I wanted to have you on here, you

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know, because this has really opened their

eyes and I've learned some things too,

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because, I still got to love my neighbor.

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Carrie Pankratz: Well,

it's not always easy.

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Twanna Henderson: No, it's not.

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And I've got great neighbors.

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I really do.

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Can you pray for us that we would be

open to, to the Holy Spirit's prompting

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about how and when to host others and

that we would trust him in the process?

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Carrie Pankratz: Yeah, absolutely.

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Twanna Henderson: Thank you.

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Carrie Pankratz: Father.

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We are so grateful that you are the one

who already won the battle for us, Lord.

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We are thankful that you loved us

enough to send your son for us.

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And Father, when we look around

us at this hurting world, you did

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that for those people too, Lord.

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And there is a brokenness in this world.

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And I pray for those believers out there

who Just don't feel equipped or don't

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know where to start or Lord just honestly

don't know how to do what you ask.

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How do we love our neighbor?

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And I pray Lord that you would just be

working on our hearts, open our eyes

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to see the need to see the need around

us and help us to see our neighbors as

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image bearers that you love desperately.

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I pray that you would open

opportunities as we turn to you, you

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open up opportunities for us to truly

see our neighbors, to get to know

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them, to see what their, what their

hurts are, what their desires are,

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Lord, and to speak truth into that.

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And the way that we do that is just by

sharing who you are and what you did for

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us, because you did that for them too.

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I pray that you would, give us wisdom, all

of us wisdom, in how to do this and when

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to open our door, who to invite, but also

give us courage to do the hard things.

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and to know that it's messy,

just because it's messy doesn't

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mean you aren't working.

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And sometimes through those

hard things, through conflict

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is where we draw closer to you.

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And also we can draw closer to those

people once we resolve that conflict.

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So Lord, it's not going to be perfect.

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It's going to be messy.

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And I pray that you would walk through

us, that you would that your spirit

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would direct us and that you would

first help us to seek you Lord and to

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grow deeper in our relationship with

you so that you can pour out through

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us and love our neighbors and we trust

you in this Lord in Jesus name, amen..

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Twanna Henderson: Amen.

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Well, Carrie, thank you so much for

joining us and for sharing your gift

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of, being able to reach others.

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I mean, it really is a gift.

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and I, I'm just, I'm excited about

how the Lord continues to use you.

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And I'm looking forward to coming to

Utah to have some coffee or something.

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Carrie Pankratz: Yes, anytime!

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Twanna Henderson: Well, thank you

again to all of our listeners.

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I'm Twanna Henderson.

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Be blessed of the Lord.