00:00 Introduction and Welcome

00:08 Hosts' Banter and Name Discussion

03:16 Discussion on Angels and Salvation

07:54 Jeremiah's Narrative and Ishmael's Rampage

12:18 God's Warning Against Egypt

18:41 Baruch's Pity Party and God's Assurance

20:01 Closing Remarks and Prayer

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Welcome back to the Daily Bible Podcast!

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We're so glad you've joined us.

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And now your hosts,

Pastor PJ and Pastor Marc.

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Hey, welcome back to another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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It's Pastor PJ back again

with Pastor Mark Kogan.

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I'm glad to be back.

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I, there was a lot of infighting here

about whether you would have me back or

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not it was touch and go for a minute.

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There we were like, do

we bring him back again?

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And then we decided, you know what?

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We will bring it back.

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Yeah, we'll bring it back.

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So I'm here.

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I'm here.

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Yeah.

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Glad to be here too.

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Yep.

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In fact, Bernard introduced

you by name today.

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Oh, did he really?

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You got a call out now?

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We don't know if Bernard's gonna

be able to handle the pronunciation

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of your name because you're talk.

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Let's talk about that for a second.

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Why?

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Why the C and not the K?

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So my middle name is Christopher with a C.

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Okay.

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And my last name is C

with a CO for the Cogan.

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So my parents just, it was

just an aesthetic choice.

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That's it.

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Because they didn't want the K

to interrupt everything else.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Apple doesn't agree.

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They fixed it recently,

but for a long time.

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A long time.

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Yeah.

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Apple would auto correct.

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MARC to MARX.

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Marx.

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Yeah.

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Huh?

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Not MARK.

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Not MARK.

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Just straight to Carl Marx.

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I wonder what that says about it.

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Interesting.

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It turns out though, it does turn

out that is the Irish spelling

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of my name, which is cool.

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'cause I am Irish.

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There you go.

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But that wasn't my parents' intention.

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But maybe subconsciously they, they

didn't know that it was That's right.

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Yeah.

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That's right.

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And my name is also the English

spelling of the Roman God of War Mars.

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Okay.

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Which was also not intentional.

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And you like Elon Musk

who wants to get to Mars.

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That's right.

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So I guess we just played six degrees

of separation to get to Elon Musk.

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You know what Warren's middle name is?

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No, it's Mars, believe it or not.

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Okay.

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We're naming pastor's kids off after

God's war in foreign pagan deities.

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That's right.

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Awesome.

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That's my name too.

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So you have a passer with that.

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Guess problem.

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And then Lincoln's middle

name is Mark with a K or a C?

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With a C.

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With a C, okay.

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And then Warren's name is

Mars, which is the point was.

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So that they would have

the same, middle name.

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If Lincoln's middle name had been

marked with a k, I think that would've

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caused all kinds of confusion.

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So I'm glad that you kept it.

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Maybe we'll go back and

change it just to, yeah.

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Mix things up.

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Shirley's middle name,

is it like Athena or No?

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No.

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Okay.

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No.

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Shirley's middle name is Rust.

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Okay.

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You can tell Julie, and I

don't care too much about the

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middle names being something

particularly up the top, but, okay.

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Unpack that one for us.

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That name.

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Is actually really meaningful.

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So that is my grandmother's maiden name.

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Okay.

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On my dad's side.

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Okay.

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So we try to hit all

the different totally.

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Branches of your family.

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Yeah.

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And we think middle names are a little

bit silly, so we try to pick, we try

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to pick some kind of different ones.

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Yeah.

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Funnier ones, yeah.

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My, my middle name is Frederick.

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And much like your.

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Last name or your first name?

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It ends in a C, but no K Oh, interesting.

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Which is the German interesting

pronunciation I guess of it.

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So yeah, my middle name's Frederick.

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So there you go.

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What are your kids' middle

names or is that Michael?

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Personal?

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No, Michael Grace.

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Here's the test.

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Charles Peter and Asher.

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Wow.

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Good job.

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Nailed it.

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10 outta 10.

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I can't prove that.

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Five.

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Five don't have 10.

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Maybe that's Pastor Rod.

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That's his job.

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His job.

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Hey, here's a question I'm

curious to get your answer.

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Somebody texted me the

other day about this.

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They they texted the question, I

guess they didn't really ask the

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question as much as imply the question

in their text, but it led to a

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conversation back and forth here.

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Let's talk about Angels for a second.

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Are angels saved or not?

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I don't think angels are saved.

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I think humanity has a particularly

special place in God's plan.

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So I think angels have a specific role

in God's administration of things.

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But I don't think we should use

the term saved to describe them.

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In the same sense that

we're saved as Christians.

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And having Christ atoning

work on the cross done for.

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For us.

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Even Satan doesn't have the

possibility of being saved.

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After being thrown from heaven.

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He doesn't have that particular

path in front of him.

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And I think that speaks to his

creation, how he's made as an

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angel as opposed to a human.

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Okay.

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So we wouldn't say saved.

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Could you say elect?

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Are there elect in non elect angels?

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Oh, that's a great question.

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I don't know.

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I'm not sure that.

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Term is necessarily a helpful delineator

because we connected to salvation so

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often 'cause we connected to salvation.

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Okay.

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That would be what I would say.

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But I do think that, we, I'm,

I say I think I'm confident God

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knew that Satan was going to sin.

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Yeah.

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And so in that sense, I do think

it's, we could use the term elect,

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meaning that there are angels,

not all the angels are gonna sin.

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So there are angels that are.

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Gonna not sin.

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And there's angels that

are gonna sin, right?

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Or have sinned.

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And so I do think in some sense

you could use that word, but yeah.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And even we're gonna talk about this

Sunday in, in one Peter, because Peter

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says that the gospel is something into

which angels long to look implying

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that they don't understand the gospel.

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And even if you go to Hebrews, the writer

of Hebrews says that he had to ma be

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made like his brothers in every respect.

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That Jesus came and took on flesh.

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Jesus did not become like an angel.

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In fact.

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Psalm eight says, in the writer of

Hebrews, picks up on this that he

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was made a little lower than the

angels, even for a period of time

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in order to identify with humanity.

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And that identification with humanity

is why the angels look at the cross

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and can't understand the cross.

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And it's also why the fallen angels

look at the cross and can't be redeemed

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by the cross because Jesus identified.

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Us.

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He didn't identify with

the angelic beings.

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And you mentioned that they have sinned.

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And that's another distinction there.

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We believe that at some point in

time before creation that Satan fell.

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And when he fell, he took with him his

fallen angels the angels that went with

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him, that decided to follow him instead

of staying in the presence of God.

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And that was it.

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And from that time forward, you have the,

and that's where I think it's, it would

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be helpful for the elect and the non

elect, the, or the holy and the fallen.

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And there, there aren't angels sinning

today in the sense that falling from

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the presence of God, that all took place

with Satan at some point before creation.

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Some of those angels even have been

condemned and chained in prison.

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And and Peter talks about that

I believe in second Peter.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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And.

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And they're waiting for the very

end and waiting for the eschaton and

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the final judgment to take place.

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Some believe that those are directly

connected with the sin of of the

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Nephilim That and I would agree.

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Yeah.

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That's what I, that's where

I would land on those.

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Yeah.

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That they're the angel angelic beings

that cohabited with women and produced the

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Nephilim from back in Genesis chapter six.

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Man, the angelic world is fascinating,

but one thing that we can say with.

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A fair degree of certainty

is that the angels can't be

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saved because once they fell.

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That was it.

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There's no redemption for them and

that's another privilege that we

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have as believers to know the gospel.

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And even the angelic beings

don't understand the gospel.

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We understand things about Jesus

and about the gospel, about God

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that even the angelic race doesn't

understand, which is super cool

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for us and a huge privilege for us.

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Yeah.

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You use that word privilege.

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It really is a privilege.

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Totally.

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And we can often think of angels

as something that they're not.

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We can think of angels as some sort

of godlike being and they're not.

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And we see that in one Peter.

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We see that the angels long to

understand these things and we

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get to understand those things.

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Isn't that amazing?

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Isn't that amazing that God has

privileged us humans And he, like you

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said, even describes Jesus as being

a little bit lower than the angels.

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For a time humans get to

understand these things about God.

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I think some of that's experiential.

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We angels are not humans.

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But I think there's also, I think there's

also an intellectual component to that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I would agree.

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Yeah.

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And so when you're watching the

the Christmas movies this year,

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every time a bell rings, an angel

does not actually get its wings.

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The angels are in the state

that they were created in, and.

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Those that fell and those that

didn't are with the Lloyd Stone.

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So, let's jump into our DVR for today.

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We've got a lot of text,

Jeremiah 41 through 45, and

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a lot of this is narrative.

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And chapter 41, you remember Giah

was put in place by Nebuchadnezzar.

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And so after Nebuchadnezzar

came through and took out Zakiah

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the Judean King there, he left.

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Alaya in his p in his place.

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And Alaya was not a

king, but the governor.

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And so he was gonna govern the

people there, try to keep order

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on behalf of Nebuchadnezzar

while Babylon ruled from afar.

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Gal was unpopular.

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Pastor Rod even suggested he may be

unpopular with the people because they

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may look at him as a puppet of Babylon.

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And Ishmael, who shows up here

as his eventual assassinator.

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Or assassin there.

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That's the word assassin.

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Ishmael, he may have looked at Gedaliah

as a traitor, as a turncoat, as somebody

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who had betrayed the people of God by

serving under the hand of Nebuchadnezzar.

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I think that's a, the best read on the

situation that we can get at this point.

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And so he goes.

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On a rampage, and we're not exactly sure

of the year that all this is taking place.

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When it says in the seventh month,

that's not necessarily the same year

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that GETT Liar was first installed and

that all of this took place, but at some

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point in time this is going to happen

and Ishmael is gonna come and he goes.

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He goes off, he not only takes out

gia, but then he begins to just

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slaughter everyone that he sees as

a puppet or as a, an ally of Gia.

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Until we get to a point where he he

eventually says to, to a group of

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people, Hey, I'm gonna wipe you out.

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And they say, wait a minute.

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We have food to offer.

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We have food to, to trade for our lives.

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So Pastor Mark, help us understand

why would this passionate assassin.

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Be turned aside by the offer of

some barley and oil and other

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things that these men offer to 'em.

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Part of it's their circumstances, right?

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The land has been totally decimated by

the foreign armies, the invasions there.

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There is certainly a lack of these

things, wheat, barley, oil, and honey.

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But I think importantly, we need to

recognize that the sin of Ishmael.

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Has overcome his mind.

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It's distorted his ability to think

clearly about what is good and right, and

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true and beautiful, and he is picking.

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He's picking wheat, barley, oil,

and honey over, he's keeping

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people alive for that sake.

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He's picking those things over the

cost of lives, the human lives.

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He keeps 'em alive, but

only for those things.

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And I think it just is, it just shows

the great depth of the sin and the

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distorting nature of sin that, we see in.

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Even abortion.

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Yeah.

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And things like that today where we

have these desires that are fleshly,

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that are earthly and they will

cause us, they will cause us to.

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To murder and to do these horrible things

over stuff that really is worthless in

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some sense, or at least very temporary.

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Yeah.

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And note also verse five, A lot

of the people who end up dying

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under Ishmael's Wrath, they've come

to Jerusalem to bring offerings.

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It says to present at

the temple of the Lord.

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The temple of the Lord is

not there at this point.

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The temple has been destroyed,

and yet they're so ingrained.

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It's so trained in them and it,

this often happens in our lives when

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everything is topsy-turvy and we

don't know which way up, we often

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go to what we do know to be true.

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We go to what's reliable.

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We try to find routine and comfort there.

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So they're even coming back to Jerusalem,

knowing the temple's not there to

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bring these grain offerings to present

to the Lord, even though the temple's

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gone, and so they're grasping it.

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Any sort of comfort right now.

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The, those that stayed behind, it's

not like they stayed behind and they

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were living in the lap of luxury.

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Still, this was not a good time.

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The city was destroyed,

the temple was destroyed.

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This is a very uncertain season

but Ishmael his rampage is gonna be

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checked by a game guy named Johanan.

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And Johanan is gonna come up.

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He was a supporter of g Elias, and

he's going to end up putting a stop

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to Ishmael, and Ishmael is going

to flee eventually from Johanan.

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And then the people are gonna

begin to think you know what,

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maybe we should go down to Egypt.

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And that's a shift that takes over

the next handful of chapters here.

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And Egypt was really never

Israel's friend, in fact.

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It from the very beginning, Egypt

was not gonna be Israel's friend.

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If we go back to the Book of Exodus,

God calls his people out of Egypt.

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Now he sends Joseph there ahead of his

people to preserve the nation of Israel.

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And it's the incubator for the

nation while Joseph is alive.

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But then eventually here comes the

oppression in Pharaoh and the exodus

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takes place from that point on.

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The desire to go back to

Egypt was never a good thing.

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It's still not a good thing here.

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And so in chapter 42, they want to

go back to Egypt and God is warning

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them, saying, don't go back to Egypt.

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Pastor Mark.

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Talk to us a little bit about what

God says is gonna happen if these

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people say, yeah, we're gonna go

and we're gonna go back to Egypt.

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It's a heavy threat.

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There is a.

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A huge threat associated with

this desire to go back to Egypt.

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We, in their initial plea to

Jeremiah, they don't specifically

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state that they want to go back to

Egypt, at least in the text here.

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But clearly that is what their desire

is, and that's clearly the expectation of

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what they think God will come back with.

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Or at least that's what they want.

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The threats though are.

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Are It's severe.

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They're severe.

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And what's interesting about them

is that there's allusions to the

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very plagues that the Egyptians

suffered under during the Exodus.

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In verse 17, that the threat to these

Israelites is that they're gonna die

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by the sword, by famine, by pestilence

and going as far as saying they shall

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have no remnant or survivor from the

disaster that I will bring upon them.

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That's going even further.

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Then the plagues and the destruction that

was brought on Egypt during the Exodus Y.

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Yeah.

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And it's fascinating because God had

told ju to, I'm gonna leave you a

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remnant, and had even left a faithful

remnant behind in Jerusalem Now.

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This is not undoing God's

plan for the remnant.

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So when you read something like that,

that they're not gonna have a remnant,

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that he's gonna wipe them out completely.

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This doesn't mean that there's no remnant.

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The remnant is just not here.

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The remnants in Babylon because

you've got Daniel, you've got hin

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and I, ra and Misha and the other

faithful remnant that are there.

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You're gonna have Ezra and Nehemiah

that are gonna be there, that are

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gonna be instrumental in leading the

exiles back to Jerusalem eventually

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after the 70 years of captivity.

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But God had left a people there in Judah

and their desire to go down to Egypt

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was going to result in God's wrath.

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You're right it's reminiscent of

some of the plagues that he sent,

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the sword, famine, and pestilence.

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Those are the three things in

the prophets that he often goes

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to and says, this is judgment.

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God's sword, God's famine, God's ju God.

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Pestilence that he's gonna

send, and he's abundantly clear.

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He says, do not go to

Egypt through Jeremiah.

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Verse 19, do not go to Egypt.

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So chapter 43, this is when the

people say, okay Lord, we get it.

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We're not gonna go to Egypt.

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But unfortunately.

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That's not what it says.

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It says, instead, all the insolent men

said to Jeremiah, you're telling a lie.

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They had originally told Jeremiah,

Hey, listen to whatever you say

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you, you're the prophet of God.

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And it says there that the people in verse

four, the people did not obey the voice of

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the Lord to remain in the land of Judah.

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Verse seven, and they came to

the land of Egypt for, they did

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not obey the voice of the Lord.

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What's on top of that is they're

gonna take Jeremiah with them.

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And th this is a reminder that sometimes

we can look around the culture that

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we find ourselves in and see a culture

that is an absolutely godless culture.

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And, this is not a good place for

Jeremiah to be in Egypt, and yet

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God is gonna honor him because of

his faithfulness to him, even as

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everybody else is abandoning the Lord.

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So just because the culture's dark

around you doesn't mean that's an excuse

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for you to go along with the flow.

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Jeremiah goes to Egypt because if

he doesn't, they're gonna kill him.

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And so he's taken down there.

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But God is not gonna

be upset with Jeremiah.

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He's going to make sure that

Jeremiah is preserved here.

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Yeah.

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What's ironic here is they're running from

the Babylonians because they're afraid of

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what happened when they murdered Alaya.

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And God says, you know what?

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I'm actually gonna bring the Babylonians

to kill you, to wipe you out.

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They're still gonna end up getting taken

out by the Babylonians no matter what.

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Yeah.

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I think the thing we also need

to recognize in our own lives is

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it's not enough for us just to.

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Ask God for direction, we actually have

to submit to him when we get an answer.

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I think it could be so easy to just

think that really having a serious

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good christianese sounding request

to God is what all it's gonna

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take to get him to agree with us.

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If you read their request

to Jeremiah in chapter 42.

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It sounds sincere.

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It sounds good, and obviously.

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The answer is no.

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And then they say, you're telling a lie.

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We can look at this and be like,

oh wow, look at those crazy people.

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But I think we can do that so

easily in our own lives, right?

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We can ask genuinely, or at least

seemingly, genuinely for God to

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give us direction, and then when

he gives us a different direction.

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We can so easily respond in the same

way, which is you're telling a lie

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and I'm gonna go to Egypt anyways.

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So I think we have to be really careful

about that when it comes to jobs, to

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houses, to, to all the decisions that

we need to make with our family that

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we are actually submitting to him.

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We're asking for guidance, but then

we're actually submitting to him

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when he provides that guidance.

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Such a good point, man.

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We, yeah.

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We don't get credit for having a

theologically worded question if we're

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not gonna accept the answer and submit

to the Lord's direction on that.

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That's great, man.

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Yeah.

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Very good.

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Yeah.

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Chapter 44 is more on this idea of

they thought they were running to

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deliverance, but they were running

straight into destruction and that

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destruction was gonna become was going

to come as a result of their idolatry.

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He's gonna say in 44, 23, it's because

you made offerings, because you.

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Sinned against the Lord and did

not obey the voice of the Lord or

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walk in his law and in his statues

and in his testimonies that this

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disaster has happened to you this day.

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They were making offerings to

the Egyptian gods and goddesses.

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They were going in full bore

into idolatry, and so it wasn't

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just that they were looking for.

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For political or militaristic

protection from the people of

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Egypt, they were looking for

protection from the gods of Egypt.

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And God is saying I'm done.

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I'm not doing this anymore.

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In fact, in verse 27 of chapter

44, the terrifying statement here

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before behold, I am watching over

them for disaster in not for good.

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All the men of Judah who were in the land

of Egypt shall be consumed by the sword,

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by famine, until there is an end of them.

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And so this is just clear,

God was abundantly clear.

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Don't go to Egypt.

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Egypt was gonna be their downfall.

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The temptation to go to

Egypt had been there forever.

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In fact, in I believe tomorrow's

episode we're gonna talk about

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in chapter 46, God's Judgment.

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Coming on Egypt that Egypt is

going to be held accountable

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for their role in all this.

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But in the short term, man, God

expected more of his people Israel

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and they were not following through.

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Yeah.

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And it really just goes to show

that, when you worship idols you.

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Become blind.

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You become like those

things that you worship.

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And you can see that in Romans one.

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You can see that many places

else elsewhere in scripture

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like Psalm one 15, right?

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You can see that when you give yourself

over to these things increasingly becomes

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more and more that you are worshiping.

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The Created rather than the creator.

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Yeah.

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Chapter 45 we flash back to

Baruch, and remember Baruch

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is the scribe for Jeremiah.

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And God had used Baruch in service.

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He had written down Jeremiah's

scroll, not once, but twice and had

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been with Jeremiah along the way.

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And Baruch is thrown a little bit

of a pity party here in chapter 45.

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And God is gonna chastise him for that.

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Chastise him really for

his desire for the wrong.

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Things he says there.

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And do you seek this is verse five.

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Do you seek great things for yourself?

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Seek them not for behold, I'm bringing

disaster upon all flesh declares the Lord.

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But I will give you your life as a prize

for war in places in which you may go.

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In other words, Baruch, why

don't you just be content that

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I've spared your life here.

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You're after the wrong things.

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Just be content that you've got your life

and go on and heed the word of the Lord

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and obey him wherever you end up going.

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But isn't it good that.

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He promises that he'll protect his life.

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That, that is a good thing that we should

recognize as Christians, even today,

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obviously in a different dispensation.

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But we should be thankful that

even when all these calamities

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are happening to us, all these

terrible things are happening to us.

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And even when we're a little

bit grumpy, like perhaps he is

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here that God is somebody who

will ultimately save his people.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, that's, I don't think that's

a get outta jail free card.

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It's not like he could go jump

off a tall building like that.

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God told me my life's gonna be fine.

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No, we still have to exercise wisdom

in that, but yeah, that is good.

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That is comforting for sure.

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Let's let's pray and we will

be done with another episode

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of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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God, we are grateful for your word and we.

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Don't have Egypt literally in, in our

backyard to be tempted towards, but

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we're so often tempted to turn to other

things aside from you to try to either

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escape conviction that you're bringing

into our life or to escape your hand of

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discipline that you're bringing upon us.

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Or just to turn to other

things for a source of security

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and hope other than you.

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And we can be prone to

those things ourselves.

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And so help us, Lord, to discern

those idols in our lives.

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The things that we're.

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Tempted to turn to and put our trust

in instead of you and to get rid of

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them to put them off as scripture calls

us to and to trust in you instead.

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And so we thank you that you are the God

today, that you were during Jeremiah's day

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and you will be that God tomorrow as well.

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And we're thankful for all these things.

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We pray this in Jesus' name.

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Amen.

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We'll, pastor Mark, thanks for joining us.

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We are grateful.

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We'll see if we let Pastor Rod back in.

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Yeah, we'll see.

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We'll see.

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Have a good one.

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Alright, y'all, keep reading your Bibles.

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Tuning in again tomorrow for another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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Bye bye.

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Bernard: Well, thank you for

listening to another episode of

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the Daily Bible Podcast, folks!

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We're honored to have you join us.

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This is a ministry of Compass

Bible Church in north Texas.

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You can find out more information

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Ya'll come back now, ya hear?

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PJ: Yeah.

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I would agree with

everything that you said