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In an enriching episode of the Elemental Evan podcast, host Evan Roberts and special guest Heather Murillo, discuss the what Life Coaching is and why pivoting in your career and life can be so difficult. They each share intimate moments in their personal growth journeys, wellness, and difficulty with embracing life's transitions.

The conversation covers the importance of mindset shifts, discipline, and authenticity in navigating career pivots and personal development. Heather's journey illuminates the transformative power of Life Coaching, demonstrated through a live session on time management and goal setting with Evan. The mutual respect and friendship between the host and guest shine through, emphasizing the value of support and intentionality in personal endeavors.

00:00 Welcome to the Elemental Oven Podcast with Evan Roberts

00:21 Introducing Heather: From Acro Yoga to Life Coaching

00:58 Diving Deep: Ego, Career Pivots, and the Essence of Life Coaching

02:55 Heather's Journey: From Yoga to Embracing Life Coaching

04:42 Mindset Shifts: Embracing Risk and Pursuing Passion

10:46 The Power of Consistency in Achieving Goals

11:38 Simplifying Health: The Shift Towards Minimalist Supplementation

13:27 Heather's Transition: From Yoga Teaching to Full-Time School Teaching

15:22 Navigating Career Changes and the Importance of Community

27:41 Exploring Health and Wellness Beyond Diet and Exercise

36:53 Ego and Its Impact: A Stoic Perspective

41:13 A Personal Story of Kindness and Self-Reflection

45:12 The Power of Small Acts of Giving

47:07 Understanding Life Coaching with Heather

54:45 A Deep Dive into a Life Coaching Session

01:13:17 Exploring the Benefits of Life Coaching

01:13:36 How to Start Your Life Coaching Journey

01:15:38 Closing Thoughts and Gratitude

Disclaimer:

This podcast is for educational purposes only, it is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. Evan Roberts is not a medical professional and this podcast is provided on the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. Statements and views expressed on this show are not medical advice, this podcast, including Evan Roberts and any guests on the show, disclaims responsibility for any possible adverse effects from the use of information contained in this episode. If you think you have a medical problem please consult a medical professional.

What's going on, everybody.

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Welcome to the elemental oven podcast.

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Thank you so much for joining me today.

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This is your host, Evan Roberts.

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And as always on this podcast, I break

down health topics from a holistic

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and simplified perspective so that

you can walk away from these episodes

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with some actionable steps and tools

that you can apply to your life and

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hopefully change it for the better.

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On today's episode, I'm

joined by a reoccurring guest.

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She is a near and dear friend

of mine, and honestly, just

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a great person to be around.

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It is Heather, Mario.

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Heather was actually the very first

acro yoga teacher that Ashley and I ever

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had, which is really awesome because

up until we had met Heather, we were

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self-teaching ourselves just through

Instagram, which was super fun, but

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definitely the progress skyrocketed

after we connected with Heather.

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So it's always great to just

connect with Heather and just

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see where life is taking her.

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And on today's episode, we are

going to cover topics such as what.

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The ego and why you should check your ego.

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We also talk about the life of

a Yogi and why Heather had to

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switch from being a full-time yoga

teacher into a different career.

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We talk about pivoting careers and the

difficulties that those might bring.

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And then last but not least,

we talk about life coaching and

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what exactly life coaching is.

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I feel like that's a term

that we hear all the time.

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It's like a buzzword, but

we never actually hear.

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Kind of like what it's actually about.

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So on today's episode, we actually

break down what a life coach

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is and what that looks like.

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So that is all in today's episode.

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I know you all are going to love

this conversation with Heather.

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I'm going to.

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Preemptively apologize for the

sound quality on today's episode

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of because there was a little

bit of difficulty with that.

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It is something I'm working on, so

you can expect future episodes to have

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nice, crisp and clear sound to them.

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But nonetheless, the content and quality

of the actual conversation you were

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about to hear is absolutely on point.

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Um, I love all of the knowledge

that Heather always brings

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to these conversations.

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So I hope you all enjoy.

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And without further ado,

let's welcome on Heather.

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what's going on Heather.

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Welcome back to the Elemental Evan show.

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There's not many people I

get to actually say that to.

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So welcome back to the show.

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Hey, thanks.

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I'm super excited to be back.

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Yeah.

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It's a, it's always a pleasure

to just have a conversation with

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you, but it's even more of a

pleasure to have you on the show.

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So I'm really excited to have you on.

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And I feel like a lot has been happening

in your life as well as my life.

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And I don't know, I feel like the last

couple of years, , What are some of

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the big things that have been going

on for you in the last year or two?

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Um, I mean, I'd say like the biggest

thing for me that's been going on, I

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know like the last time I was here, I was

talking about like handstands and like

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yoga and like that health focus, and I've

always really been in that world, right?

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That's how we met and how we connected is

our shared love of movement and health.

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And that really kind of springboarded

me into this like world of.

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I don't really want to say mental health

but like maybe just greater wellness of

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like encompassing like the whole person

and so not just like the movement,

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the physical activity, the nutrition,

but also the mindset and like your

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happiness level and your relationships

and all of those things that go a

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bit deeper into our level of health.

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Um, I was really craving more connection

and information about that in greater

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ways to help people because I spent so

long being a yoga teacher that I really

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wanted to teach something a bit deeper

like I wanted to get into that and yoga

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definitely does touch on that but I

was finding it really hard to get that

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instruction in the yoga studio because

you know people are coming for a movement

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class they want to do asana and like

that's great and I love that but I started

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feeling like something was really really

lacking and so I kind of stepped away

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from the yoga studio and and got more into

like the personal development world and

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yeah.

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So I really am like going like full

into life coaching and trying to

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help people expand their wellness

in more, um, well rounded ways.

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Yeah.

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Um, kind of on the topic of.

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And I know we're going to get into

the, the life coaching, um, just for

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everyone listening, that is going to

be an exciting portion of this episode.

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But before we jump there on the topic

of mindset, because mindset has been one

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of the biggest things that I've probably

been cultivating this last year to two

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years, I would say, um, what's been one

of the biggest mindset shifts or, um,

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kind of concepts that has really resonated

with you and had an impact in your life?

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Such a good question.

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Um, I feel like the biggest mindset

shift I had was kind of This idea

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of like, really, like my focus

is I'm not playing small anymore.

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Um, and what I mean by that is really

giving myself the belief that I can

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go for something big and scary and

new and believe that I can do it.

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Um, whereas like I've done a

lot of things in my life that

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I've like accomplished, right?

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Like there's definitely goals

I set out for myself that I.

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You know, hit, um, but they always felt.

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A little safe, a little predictable, like,

you know, sure, graduated from college,

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did really well, got, like, the teaching

job, bought the house, like, had the

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kid, um, you know, became a yoga teacher,

started teaching classes, um, that

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sort of thing, but it was kind of like

this mapped out, pre programmed place.

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And doing something that didn't have

a mapped out path that was a bit more

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entrepreneurial and really believing

in myself is something very new for me.

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Like, I never was really that person to

Take a risk like that and go full like

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entrepreneur and Yeah, I feel like I've

really really done that so that was like

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a big mindset shift is I enrolled in this

coach training program The day before it

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started kind of on a lark but not really

because it's something I've been thinking

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about for a while and And I talked to my

partner about it and he was like you need

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to do this because you've been talking

about this for years And it's meant for

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you And you really need to go for it.

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And that was kind of like the springboard.

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I like just signed up And once I did that,

I mean I was terrified But I really went

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all in and I haven't stopped going all

in and so i'd say that's probably the

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biggest mindset shift I've really had.

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Yep.

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That's that's a big mindset Shift to

have where you kind of like come to

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the conclusion of, but why not me?

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Like what makes me the person that's

not able to go after these big,

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you know, crazy goals that I have,

you know, only imaginations about.

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Um, and, you know, I see other

people accomplish it, but, you

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know, I could never do that.

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Um, that's always, I think, a

really, like, a huge barrier

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to get over for everyone.

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Um, I know in one of the meditations

that I would do frequently was, like,

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make it, you know, Understanding that

you're worthy of something like whatever

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your goals are you're worthy of them

And it's kind of funny to say because

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you're like, of course i'm worthy

of my goals But for me at least when

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I sat with that and actually asked

myself like am I worthy of this goal?

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Like I realized I actually didn't

feel like I deserved the goals.

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I was trying to achieve and so just

even Opening up that possibility and

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understanding like dude, you're a human

you have Um, you know a lot to offer

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to the world and like why not you you

know You're a unique person you're

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going to connect with a group of people

that are naturally going to resonate

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with you and um, yeah moving forward

with that is It's really difficult.

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So I, I feel like I can kind

of connect to you on that one.

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And um, yeah, for me, the mindset of

just changing, and I know we spoke

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about this, but changing everything

from why is this happening to me to

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what am I meant to learn from this?

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And that's been for me, my biggest,

uh, mindset shift here in like

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probably the last year, which is just

how can I better quit my tool belt?

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How can I take every Difficulty or

challenge that faces me and just tackle

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it head on and then take all of those

learnings and apply them to my life.

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Um, that's definitely

been one of the big ones.

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And, um, yeah, I feel like those two have

kind of been kind of hand in hand for me.

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Yeah, I mean, for sure, like, definitely,

like, that unworthiness feeling, like, for

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sure, creeps in, like, 100%, that's how I

felt, and sometimes still do feel, right?

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It doesn't go away, like, at the, you

know, end of the day, when you're just

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like, oh, I did the meditation, and

I've decided to shift my mindset, and

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now, all of a sudden, it's different.

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That's not really how it works.

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It's, like, something you have to keep.

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Like working with and keep reminding

yourself of and keep like chipping

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away at essentially, because I

definitely still have those feelings

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of like, am I even worthy of this goal?

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But I mean, hell yeah,

exactly what you said.

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Like, why not me?

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Because we see people that are doing it.

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Like you see people who are successful,

who have the business, who are

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doing the thing, who are creating

something new and bold and exciting.

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And like, for me, I felt like

there was something like that in

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me that wanted to get out, and I

didn't really know what it was.

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And then when I tapped into life

coaching, I was like, oh, it's this.

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Like, this was what I was meant to do.

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And really just going with that feeling.

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And then you have moments of

like little setbacks where, you

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know, things don't go right.

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Like the client doesn't call you back.

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You don't make the sale or the fear starts

to creep in of like, Oh, well, maybe

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I'm not going to be so good at this.

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Like maybe I can't do it.

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And then you have to like,

just reframe constantly.

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Like, no, that's just the fear.

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And you have to keep coming back

to this belief in yourself and then

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you're Two steps ahead of where

you started instead of just, you

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know, at the starting line still.

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Yeah, you hit on, you hit on consistency

and I'm so happy that you did because

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I was just recently listening to a

podcast and they were talking about how,

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you know, they looked at people doing

a low fat diet, a low carb diet, like

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all these, you know, different kinds

of diets in terms of just weight loss.

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And it turned out that like

every single one of them worked.

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It was just being consistent with it.

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And so it's like, at the end of the day,

it truly is just purely consistency.

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Like how consistent can you be with

something and show up every single day?

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And get after it.

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And that's where that's

where the magic happened.

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That's where it's those little, you know,

it's like that book atomic habits, right?

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Like something so small, the atom,

but like, is of such power, right?

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You know, and you just keep showing

up every single day and doing that.

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And Yeah, big things can

What's going on everybody?

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Over the last couple of years one of my

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At the time I was taking a ton of

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and I just really didn't know If there

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So I went ahead and re evaluated

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Alrighty y'all, back to the show.

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are you still teaching yoga currently?

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No, um, I stopped teaching

yoga a little while ago.

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Um, right, like shortly after the

pandemic really hit full force.

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Like I taught yoga through

the pandemic, like on zoom.

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wasn't really my jam, as it was not for

so many people, um, and the studio that I

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was running changed hands, and so then I,

I'm a school teacher as well, so that was

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like really where I started my career, was

just teaching high school chemistry, um,

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and at the time when I was teaching yoga,

I was still like working, um, A few hours

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a week at an independent study school.

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And so, as it turns out, um,

they had a spot for me full time.

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And so I ended up going back

to teaching school full time.

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And so I've been doing that for a while.

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Not teaching yoga, except

to my students at my school.

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I do teach yoga there every week to the

middle schoolers, which is pretty great.

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But yeah, that's the only yoga

I've really been teaching.

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Still, still performing and

working with the circus and

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doing acrobatics, of course.

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Um, but yeah, not teaching yoga.

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Was it hard for you to let, like, I guess

the traditional teaching of yoga go?

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You know, it kind of was.

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Like I had like a moment of

mourning because I was really

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sad to leave my studio.

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I'd been like Helping the owner build

this place up for many years And it was

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it felt a little bit like my like second

child and it was tough but in the moment

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like I really needed to shift like I

wasn't actually happy doing it anymore

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And my partner was like you're ready

like it's time Um, and I think he saw

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it fully before I did But then once I

let it go like it it felt really right I

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needed to move on was it was it hard to?

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Like was it hard to

pivot and kind of like?

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You know, I don't know for me, for

example, like moving from being just

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like full time podcasting, even doing

some health coaching into now picking

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up a role with an amazing company,

Ritual, like love them so much.

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But, um, it was, it was interesting

for me to pivot and to almost like.

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In some ways, like I felt like, I don't

want to say like an imposter, but almost

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like a, you know, just like, oh, what

are people going to think of me now that

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I'm like shifting from here to here?

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And, you know, just that kind of

like uncomfortability, which is so

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interesting that we like, I'm guessing

social media has a lot to do with

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this, but, um, you know, it's like,

we put this pressure on ourselves.

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Like, we almost have to like.

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Look for other people

to validate like that.

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It's okay for us to kind of shift into

a new stage of our life when, I mean,

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I think the only person we really

need to check in with is ourselves.

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Um, but what, what, uh, what kind of

like experiences you have with that?

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And do you have any like, I don't know

findings or tips that you would share with

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people based on kind of navigating that

Yeah, well like so i'm interested to know

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um I definitely am going to answer that

question But i'm interested to know was

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there a part of you that felt A little

bit like a failure because you were giving

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up on your podcast dream and like going

to this corporate job For sure for sure.

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It was like there was a part of

me that It felt yeah, I I felt

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like a You Like I had failed.

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Um mm-Hmm.

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because I didn't accomplish what

I wanted to in that time, and

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I had to go a different route.

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I had to shift completely.

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And I mean like, you know, full

disclosure, looking back on it, it was

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like the best thing I could have done.

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It taught me so much.

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I look back at like.

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You know the last couple years and there's

just so much like that i've learned in

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terms of lessons and knowledge and getting

knocked on my butt and like Having to

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figure stuff out for myself and like

really just navigating all that to where

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i'm now i'm like, oh my god i'm in i'm in

such a better place and even you know, I

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have better tools that like You know if

I were to just focus 100 percent on my

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podcast like I know how I would just go

towards that or You know, there's there's

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a lot of amazing takeaways, but in the

moment it was super difficult and I would

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say it was i've i've never really dealt

with a Like depressive period in my life.

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I'm a pretty upbeat person But I will

say that was a time where I went for

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some really long walks around the block

Just trying to like work stuff out

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in my head like man, what am I doing?

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And, um, that's just also

one of my tips to people.

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If you're going through something

like go take a walk and don't stop

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walking until you feel better.

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Um, you will feel better.

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Like for some reason, walking just

like, Is incredible and it can help

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really help to sort out my mind your

mind and and um meditation helped

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Greatly with that as well, but sorry,

I went long winded on that answer.

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No, no, no, that makes sense Um, I mean,

I totally second that like going for

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walks is amazing Like just getting outside

and breathing the fresh air like for me.

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It's one of my favorite things to do,

too um The reason I ask that question is

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because I feel like sometimes we put a lot

of pressure on ourselves to be one thing.

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And like, sometimes it's not even

the other people and their opinions

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that's making us feel that way.

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Like, oh, I can't shift, I can't pivot.

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It's almost ourselves.

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Because we said to ourselves,

like, we're gonna do this thing.

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And, um, like, I remember there

was a time when I told myself, Um,

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because I was teaching yoga full

time and I really wanted that to be

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my full time gig and for any yoga

teachers listening It's a hard gig.

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Like, I know you know this if

you're teaching yoga full time.

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It's very difficult to make

a living just teaching yoga.

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And, you know, so I did a bunch

of other things too, and I, one of

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them was teaching hourly at this

school, and I told myself I'm only

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going to work 8 hours a week there.

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Because that was like the

parameters I'd put on myself.

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That I'm only doing it

8 eight hours a week.

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I'm still a full time yoga teacher.

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That's my, that's still my identity.

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And then as the years went on, I kind of

kept increasing my hours, increasing my

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hours, increasing my hours because I liked

the school job and it paid a lot better

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than teaching yoga and I needed the money.

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And ultimately, like what I would say

to anybody who's like staring down that

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shift that needs to happen is that, you

know, It's okay for you to do what's

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right for you in the moment, and that

doesn't mean that you failed at what

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you had originally set out to do.

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It just means that, you know, a new phase

of life, a new season is starting for you.

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And to like, go confidently in that

direction, if doors are opening in

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that direction, there's a reason.

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And to explore it.

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And there's not really, I mean, as

much as we want to say, like, there's

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dignity in like the struggle, right?

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The starving artist is that like trope

that we all like kind of look up to.

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And we're like, yeah, they're

doing it for their art.

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And I feel like if you are an

entrepreneur, like, you know, you and

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I are, um, Um, there's a lot of pride

in that, and we're like, we want to

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give it all up for the thing that we

really want to do, but ultimately, like,

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there's nothing, like, shameful about

creating a good living for yourself.

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And if that means that you need

to go work for the school district

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or the corporate job, that's okay.

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It doesn't mean it has to be forever.

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And like you said, like

you're probably going to learn

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amazing things along the way.

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Um, for me personally, like shifting back

to that, like, like I did have a moment

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of like just mourning, like leaving

the studio and feeling sad about that.

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But once I fully committed to the shift

and I moved in this other direction, it

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was kind of like a breath of fresh air.

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I was like, Oh, this is what I needed.

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Um, and so a lot of times, like

when you are feeling that need

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to pivot, sometimes the worst

feeling is right before you pivot.

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When you're like, Oh, I know I

got to take this, like this move.

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I got to make this move.

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But.

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You're nervous and you're hesitant and

you're wondering what everyone's gonna

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think about you because you're suddenly

changing what you've been Telling

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them all these years and there's all

this like angst around that and then

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once you finally do the thing and you

just announce to the world I'm doing

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the thing like all of that goes away.

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It's like a weight lifted off your

shoulders and you can just move forward

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Yeah, it's uh You know I'm, obviously

pretty big in health and wellness as

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are you And one of you, like when you

said a breath of fresh air, um, it's

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funny because one of the things that I

think a lot of people don't take into

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account when talking about definitely

mental health and wellness is, um.

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Financial freedom and or maybe not even

financial freedom, but rather just having

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your finances in in a line you know and

and where you need them and it can cause

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so much stress and Difficulty on a person

who you know, like you said the it's

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so cool to see the artist That's really

trying to like struggle and and make it

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worth for their artwork and all that and

that's amazing for sure but to what end

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right and it is there's this like You

Breath of fresh air when you finally can

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just like be like, Hey, I'm not tripping

on like how rent is getting paid and

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whatever other bills might come our way.

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Like it's a very relieving

thing and um, yeah, it is

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definitely a breath of fresh air.

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Uh, yeah, I was had something else

beyond there, but I'm going to, I

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forgot where I was going with that.

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So we're going to leave it at the finance.

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But, um, yeah, it was definitely,

it was, it was a huge breath

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of fresh air for sure.

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Yeah, yeah, I agree Yeah, I mean really

like what what more need uh be said on

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that aside from that but Yeah, it's uh,

it's definitely, oh, the other thing I

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was going to mention too was, um, I've

actually found that in my current role,

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in my, the current place that I am in

life, I'm actually more motivated, which

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is so funny because I had way more time

just a year ago to do so much more,

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but whether it be for my own enjoyment

or, or more importantly towards like

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a business and like trying to make

money and things along those lines.

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And I found that having kind of

more of a structure and also like

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lack of time actually has made me

so much more effective and efficient

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with the time that I do have.

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And also much more motivated to

the point where it's like, I have

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to get this done by this time.

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And, uh, you know, it really has been

like a kick in the butt to get after it.

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And I know I shared with this, uh,

with you, This with you last time

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as well, but once again, I said

freedom is only the opportunity

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for self discipline or discipline.

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Um, one of the U.

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S.

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presidents said that quote, and

then you came back and you said,

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um, discipline, what would you say

freedom is equal to discipline?

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Yeah, so like, the more disciplined you

are, the more freedom you truly have.

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And I think that's, um, gosh, it was

one of the Navy SEALs, I want to say

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it was like Jocko, or Yeah, I think so.

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I think it was Jocko, um, that said

like, discipline equals freedom.

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And I fully, fully stand by that,

because if you are disciplined in your

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health, Then you're going to have the

freedom to move and do what you want

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because, you know, you're less likely

to be injured or unhealthy, right?

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Random illness is notwithstanding,

like sometimes people do just

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get ill out of nowhere, but you

know, the more disciplined you

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are, the more freedom you have.

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If you are more disciplined about

your time, then things aren't

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going to get away from you.

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And then when you have

free time, it's truly free.

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You're not worried about, Oh, I didn't

get this thing done by this deadline.

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And now I'm behind and I've got to rush.

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No, you truly feel free because you

know that you've gotten everything

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done and your free time is yours.

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So I really think, and like, even, I mean,

we could take it a step further and say,

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like the disciplined mind is the free

mind, like, How often do you find your

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thoughts just completely undisciplined

and just spinning all over the place and

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you feel completely paralyzed by that?

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Whereas if you have a disciplined mind

and you notice your spot, your thoughts

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spinning and you catch yourself and

you, you know, try to pinpoint, okay,

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like what's really going on here?

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What's important?

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Is this true?

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Can I let this go?

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All right, moving on with my day.

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And then you're free to

focus on what you want to.

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Yeah, it's, it's very true.

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Uh, discipline is probably one

of the best practices to have.

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Um, it's a tough one, but it's

super good and it does, it leads to

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freedom in other areas of your life.

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And, um, it sounds almost like,

counterintuitive or counterproductive

425

where it's like, Oh, like I

don't want to be disciplined.

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I want to like have freedom and,

and you know, just enjoy my time.

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But it's like actually having the

discipline really allows you to make sure

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you have the time to enjoy and to relax.

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Um, yeah.

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But Heather, I wanted to, uh, I

have two other questions I wanted

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to ask you before we move into

the last part of our episode here.

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Um, and one of those was, what are

your current, what's your current

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focus with health and wellness?

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Because I think with a lot of people,

myself included, It tends to evolve,

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shift, take different names and looks

and all these different things, uh,

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the practices, the foods, everything.

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So what are some of the current

practices that you're really

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enjoying and that you found some

benefit in with health and wellness?

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Sure.

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Yeah, that's a great question.

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Um, I would say that when it comes to like

movement and my physical body, like my

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like current like health, Practices goals

are to just like move as much as possible

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and to like I mean really like I want

to be able to like Live as unobstructed

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as possible until my dying day, right?

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Like, I love to practice handstands.

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I love to do acrobatics.

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Um, you know, I like to lift weights.

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And I don't really like doing

cardio, but I see the benefit in it.

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So I want to do that so that I can

climb up a mountain and not be winded.

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Uh, so I try and get in as much

like movement as I can throughout

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the week and like various forms.

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So there's always some weightlifting

in there a few times a week.

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There's usually some cardio roped in.

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There's always like the things

that I would consider to be play,

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but are still movement practices

like acrobatics, like handstands.

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Um, I have some very specific acrobatic

goals where I'm trying to really go for

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big tricks that have been really scary

for me for many years and I kind of shied

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away from and now I'm Taking a concerted

effort to, like, really go for those

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tricks, practice them every week that I

can, and just not let the fear stop me.

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And that's really, like, one of my

mental practices, is not letting the

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fear stop me from taking a step forward.

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And that comes in various forms.

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Like I said, with like acrobatic tricks,

like for those, like acroyogies out

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there, like the standing hand to hand,

the castaways, the things that like,

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maybe you don't know what that means.

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It's fine.

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Um, it's just big, scary stuff

that, um, I, it's fun though.

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And like, I'm just going to do it

no matter what my brain is saying.

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And you know, that.

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Mind discipline also, like, connects

to, like, taking steps in, like,

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my business, and, like, I'm just

going to keep moving forward.

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Even if it's scary to reach out to people,

even if it's scary to put myself on

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social media, I'm still going to do it.

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Because the more I do it,

the better I'll get at it.

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Um, so that's kind of, like, the The

movement goal in practice and like kind

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of taps into like the mental as well.

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Um when it comes to like other health

things like food, um, I don't really

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follow like a specific diet, but some

of my like current practices are Trying

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to eat as like natural as possible.

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So eating like the most unprocessed

things that I can um But you

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know, no, i'm not perfect.

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Like i'm still like a

full time working mom.

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And so occasionally it's like takeout

Um, but as much as I can eat whole foods

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I'm, really really really doing my best

to avoid seed oils because I know how Bad

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those are now after i've listened to like

so many of like your podcasts and others

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You Um, and then like trying to cook

my own meals as much as I can at home.

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Um, so that's like a

really big one as well.

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And then like some of like the more

like unseen health goals or things

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like, you know, making sure that

I have really good quality time,

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like with my friends and my family.

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And like there was, I'm not

sure there was another one that

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was on the tip of my tongue.

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Um, Shoot, having good sleep, I mean,

goes without saying, like there's so many,

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it's like you can get overwhelmed with

like how many health practices and goals

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you have, but I kind of try and look at

it as like a holistic approach, like,

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am I challenging my body and my mind?

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Am I taking enough time to like fuel

my soul and recover with things like

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sleep and connection and community?

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If that kind of answers that question

in a more holistic succinct way Yeah,

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no it does and Of course, food and

movement are so important, but it's

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really cool to see some of these other

topics that wouldn't have normally been

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kind of lumped in with health are like

starting to get a lot of recognition.

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Um, sleep, I think was always

kind of on that, kind of in that

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premise, but now it's obviously

gotten like a ton of attention,

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which it very rightfully deserves.

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But the other one is

definitely relationships.

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And I think People really, myself

included, um, don't understand how truly

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impactful good relationships are, um,

the, I'm actually, I was just looking at

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this yesterday, uh, one of the longest

studies that we have on longevity

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was done by Harvard, and it was like

spanning 80 years or something like that.

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They started in 1939.

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And it took a group of people from kind of

like a higher class, you know, at Harvard.

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Um, you know, so they had

more money and whatnot.

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And then they took.

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People from the inner city didn't

have as much income and really

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just followed them over the years

and looked at what are you eating?

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What are you doing?

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Like all these different things.

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And then they would see when

each person died along the way.

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And what they found was this group

of people that made it all the way.

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It was like your money

didn't mean anything.

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The food, sure probably plays a role to

a degree and, and movement and all that.

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But at the top of everything was

just, The people that lived the

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longest had a good community.

525

They had people they could turn to

and, you know, vent to, you know, uh,

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they had people they could rely on.

527

They could call them at

three in the morning because.

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I don't know, they got pulled

over or whatever it might be.

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And they had people

that they could rely on.

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And, uh, you know, it's really just

goes to show how important it is.

531

I think also seeing these blue zones with

massive, strong community ties, uh, you

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know, and then they're obviously living

to over a hundred years and beyond.

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Uh, so I think it's really cool to

see a lot of these practices coming

534

in to play as well, uh, because.

535

We are a connected system, right?

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Health, uh, does take into consideration

food and movement, but it also takes

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into consideration literally everything

you're doing, like your entire lifestyle.

538

And, uh, there's people who can

literally nourish your soul and

539

there's people who can kind of

drain your energy, uh, for sure.

540

Um, I don't know if you've ever seen

what we do in the shadows, but they have

541

like energy vampires on there, which

is a really funny concept, but yeah.

542

Yeah, I haven't seen that.

543

I feel like I have to watch it, though.

544

Yeah, I've seen a couple episodes.

545

My mom's huge on it.

546

She always tries to get me

to watch episodes of it.

547

So, I have seen a couple, and it's pretty

funny, um, but I haven't seen many.

548

Okay.

549

Yeah, I mean, it's totally true.

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Like, I feel like the community aspect

of, like, our health is really overlooked.

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Like, it is, like, starting to

get a little bit more traction,

552

like you said, but it's just so

important to have a community where

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you feel, like, you feel empowered.

554

You're loved and

appreciated and you belong.

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And it's not like it's

going to be perfect, right?

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No human community is

ever going to be perfect.

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But if you have a place where supported

people who you love and love you

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back, like there's nothing better.

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Yeah, it's very true.

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And unfortunately it seems that

we are moving in the opposite

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direction in a lot of ways.

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Um, you know, in one way we're more

connected than ever through social

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media and the phone that you can

pick up and literally message or

564

call anyone you want at any time.

565

Yet at the same time, we're like

living further away from our families.

566

We are, you know, living in, you know,

it's like, okay, 18 and out of the house.

567

Well, maybe not so much anymore.

568

Um, but You know, like get out of the

house, like get your own apartment and

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just like seclude, seclude, seclude,

seclude, you know, and, and getting like

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to the point where we're just like a micro

unit as opposed to, you know, back like

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a hundred years ago, it was a very big

task to move far away from your family.

572

It was not like, uh, I'm renting

a U Haul and going across country.

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Like you had to really figure stuff out.

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And so I think, um, we've slowly

just gotten to a point where.

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We are like secluding ourselves more

and more and we're having difficulty

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interacting with each other, but

it's So important for us to do that.

577

And, um, luckily people are

becoming aware of it and starting

578

to move in that direction.

579

So it's nice to see that.

580

Yeah, I hope so.

581

I hope we have more community.

582

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

583

Um, okay, Heather, my other question

for you, and this is going to

584

sound Very off the wall, but I'll

give you some background on this.

585

So, um, I'm a huge Ryan holiday fan.

586

He's Introduced me and I know

you're familiar with him, but he's

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introduced me to a lot of stoic

philosophy and Mindset, all of that.

588

Like I'm really, really appreciate

the guy and all of his work that

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he's done currently reading his book.

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Ego is the enemy.

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Um, what does ego, yeah.

592

What is ego to you?

593

What does ego mean to you?

594

I mean, like initially it just brings

me back to like my yoga days, right.

595

Of like the ego and like the ego

is like sort of that, like part of

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you that's aware that you exist.

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And, like, apologies to those people

in the yoga world, I'm probably going

598

to screw this up and this is just going

to be my interpretation of it, so I'll

599

just put that out as a disclaimer.

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Um, I would say, like, the ego is the

part of you that's aware that you exist.

601

It's kind of like, I wouldn't say it's

your conscious mind, but it's that, like,

602

kind of judger of the conscious mind.

603

Like, the judge that's over you.

604

I mean, exists for an overall

purpose of like, you know,

605

initially to kind of keep you safe.

606

Um, but in our modern day world has

a lot of really negative impacts.

607

So like, for example, you know, most

people don't like rejection, right?

608

It's something that we try to avoid.

609

Um, it's something that

kind of gives us the cringe.

610

And so therefore, like, we don't take a

lot of risks in certain areas of our life.

611

We might not ask out that person

that we're interested in because

612

we're afraid of being rejected.

613

We might not post the things on

social media that we really want to

614

because we're afraid of rejection.

615

We might not, you know, ask our boss for

a raise because we're afraid of rejection.

616

And I would say like, you know, many

eons ago that that served a purpose

617

because, you know, like you said, we

lived with close knit, like family units.

618

We were part of a tribe.

619

And if you were rejected from

the tribe, you had to live on

620

your own, which probably meant

certain death at that point.

621

And so being not accepted by the

group was a really bad thing.

622

But nowadays.

623

Like, a little bit of rejection

is not going to mean certain

624

death, that's for sure.

625

And it gets blown out of proportion

and we just, like, don't end up taking

626

the steps forward that we really need

to, to get, you know, to our end goal.

627

Um, so yeah, I would say, like,

ego is that thing that's kind of

628

trying to protect us, but in a lot

of ways ends up being negative.

629

What does an unchecked ego look like?

630

Where does that lead someone?

631

What is that?

632

An unchecked ego?

633

Shoot, I feel like that could

be like a lot of things.

634

Um,

635

I feel like an unchecked ego is somebody

who's not really tapped in to their

636

like, true self, their higher purpose,

um, that is really grounded in like,

637

like worldly things, like that's trying

to Like this is going to sound a bit

638

cliche, but I guess like trying to gather

a lot of wealth, a lot of fame, a lot

639

of power, a lot of prestige, but isn't

really tapped into the things that make

640

us like infinitely happy, kind of like

the things we talked about before, like

641

connection to others, um, community, um,

something we haven't really touched on,

642

but like, yeah, Doing good for others, I

think, is a real, like, soul booster that

643

doesn't have anything to do with the ego.

644

Um, the ego is, like, seeking

to make the individual supreme.

645

Versus being part of a greater whole

and doing good for the greater whole.

646

Yeah, so, it's so funny, um,

literally today this happened to me.

647

And I love it because you also, you

said something here, you said, Um, you

648

know, helping out like humanity, right?

649

Like doing, doing something good

for others, which I'm a hundred

650

percent on board with as well.

651

I agree with that, but it's really funny

because today, um, and I'm just going to

652

like totally check my ego here right now.

653

Um, so I think just bear with me.

654

Um, but today after, um, so I was working

today and I walked out of a Whole Foods.

655

And on the way there was a woman

sitting there and she was, um,

656

you know, I couldn't understand

what she was asking for.

657

I didn't know if it was money or food.

658

And, um, as I had to enter back into

the store and on my way in, I could

659

see that she was just like hungry.

660

Like she was putting her mouth.

661

And so, um, personally, like a

deal with me is like, I'll, I'll

662

typically, Provide food to someone.

663

I don't usually give out like money

to just like random strangers, but I

664

will do food Anyways, I saw her and

I said, hey, like are you hungry?

665

But would you like something to eat

and she was like, yes, please just

666

you know And I was like, what would

you like and she said a little bit

667

of fruit maybe some yogurt would be

really nice You know, so easy, right?

668

Like when I spend like two three

dollars on her literally like very

669

very little amount of money and she

just was like Thank you so much.

670

God bless you.

671

Like just super appreciative.

672

Like one of those really genuine

moments where you like felt really

673

good about a task that you did.

674

And I remember like one of the

first things I thought was.

675

Oh, man, I can't wait to tell Ashley about

this or oh, and then I was like, bro, I

676

was like, no, you're not going to say and

here I am talking about it, but you're not

677

going to say anything about this because

like, you should just do this because the

678

reward of giving is the reward in itself.

679

You don't need anything beyond that.

680

Like the fact that you have done

the task and done the deed and

681

someone has benefited from it.

682

Like, that is it.

683

You, you need no other reward because you

have provided to humanity and, you know,

684

like, I would hope that if I was in that

scenario as she was, that someone would do

685

the same for me and expect nothing of it.

686

Like I wouldn't, you know, I would hope

that that person would just truly have

687

the kindness in their heart to do that.

688

And I remember walking away and

just thinking like, geez, man,

689

like get that ego in check.

690

I was, I was a little bit angry at myself,

but it was just like, no, this is good.

691

Good to like understand this.

692

And also to take this as a moment to,

To not talk about it and just keep it

693

like, you know, go without recognition.

694

So I'm, I'm truly not sharing this

as a form of recognition, but rather

695

to just mention how even in our acts

of giving and trying to like not be

696

egotistical or something like that,

um, ego can still find its way in.

697

And so, um, really just, you know,

trying to be, um, Always in tune with

698

that and just watching yourself and and

I think like you said like understanding

699

that um Goals that are beyond the

individual Are usually a pretty good

700

goal and and a way to like check the ego.

701

Would you agree with that?

702

Yeah, absolutely and like I think it's

fine to have individual goals and to do

703

things for yourself because we have to

right like it can't like If you weren't

704

working to better your financial life, you

wouldn't be able to help out that woman.

705

And it's not like, you know, we're

working so we can give all our money away.

706

Like, no, we want to do things

for ourselves and our families.

707

The more we can like give

ourself that financial freedom,

708

the more we can help out.

709

And.

710

You know it I don't know if that's like a

bit of a sidetrack, but yes, like I feel

711

like there's definitely a balance between

like Working for the greater good and

712

also individually working for yourself.

713

And if all you're doing is working

for yourself Then that looks more

714

like an unchecked ego to me anyways.

715

Um, yeah.

716

Yeah.

717

Yeah.

718

I, uh, one thing that really stuck

with me throughout the years was I

719

always, when I was younger, like, let's

say like in high school, maybe I was

720

always like, Oh man, you know, it'd

be great to have money to be able to

721

help everyone out and do this and that.

722

Well, Hey, once I'm at that

point, I'll go ahead and do it.

723

And I think it was actually one of

Ashley's professors had said, If

724

you're always waiting to be in that

position where you're able to give,

725

you're never going to do it because

technically you could give right

726

now and it doesn't have to be money.

727

It can be time.

728

It can be just lending an ear to someone.

729

It could be 2 right?

730

Like I spent 3 on her.

731

What, what is that in the

grand scheme of things?

732

It's nothing, it's, it's very, it's,

it's very little to help someone out.

733

And so I really took that to

heart that, You You don't have to

734

do these huge grandiose gestures

of giving, which are amazing.

735

And it would be incredible to

do that, but rather to start

736

giving now with what you have.

737

Because that's going to translate over and

just, you know, once you get money doesn't

738

mean that it's going to make you a better

person, like you're still going to be the

739

person that you are rather just amplified.

740

And so, um, I think it's important

to cultivate with what you have, like

741

you have everything you need now,

especially if you live in a first

742

world at least for the most part.

743

Many people do have everything they kind

of need in terms of like basic needs.

744

Um, and so you can give, you know,

you can, you can really cultivate

745

these in yourself now and, uh,

hopefully amplify them in the future.

746

Yeah, for sure.

747

I mean, it's like getting in that

habit of like having a giving

748

heart and just like growing that.

749

Yeah, yeah, it's definitely,

definitely spot on.

750

Um, and, uh, yeah, no, I appreciate

you being the ear here for that.

751

I was very interested in, in

going down that question with you.

752

Um, that book ego is the

enemy is pretty new to me.

753

And I don't know, I just felt like

you'd be a good person to bounce some

754

of those ideas off of, but, uh, I

want to move into probably the more

755

interesting part of this episode, which.

756

Is, uh, you know, I like to, I like

to kind of give the comparison to,

757

let's say, like a, and not comparing

the two completely, but fitness coach,

758

for example, if you bring up a fitness

coach, people know What a fitness coach

759

is right like, you know what to expect

they might give you a meal plan They'll

760

give you some workouts like the goal is

clear all of that good stuff Yeah, when

761

it comes to a life coach, I think people

have a less clear version or vision on

762

what that exactly entails so Um heather,

I want you to take the stage here and

763

show people what life coaching looks

like and You Yeah, use me as your example

764

because I would love to, I would love

to give people and insiders look into

765

what this actually is and what it does.

766

Um, so yeah, feel free to take it.

767

Absolutely.

768

So, I mean, like, since you brought

up that topic of like the health

769

coach, like, it's a good analogy,

um, or like a good parallel, I guess.

770

So, like, if you go to a health coach,

uh, the first thing they're going to

771

do is they're going to sit you down

and say, like, what are your goals?

772

Right?

773

Like, what do you want to achieve?

774

And so you might outline like a

certain weight you want to get to.

775

You might have a certain, um,

physical thing you want to perform.

776

Like you want to be able to do pull ups

or push ups or a backflip, who knows?

777

It could be anything.

778

Um, and so like, you would kind

of go through that with them and

779

then you'd take a, like a good hard

look at like where you're starting.

780

So, you know, if you want

to get to a certain weight

781

goal, Where are you starting?

782

If you want to get to a certain

size or a certain ability

783

level, where are you starting?

784

And then you start to map out a plan of

how to get from point A to point Z of,

785

you know, I am, you know, right now,

Zero ability to do a backflip, and I want

786

to be able to do a backflip in a year.

787

And so then, you know, my coach might

train me in specific skills and strength

788

techniques to get me to that point.

789

And we're going to practice them

throughout our time together.

790

And a life coach is

pretty similar to that.

791

So like you would go to a life coach and

the first thing you're going to do is

792

you're going to talk about your goals.

793

You're going to talk about what

it is that you want to achieve.

794

In your life.

795

Um, and really like that could be

a whole host of things, um, but

796

typically it's the things that are

most important to the individual.

797

So it might be something like, you know,

I really want to start a business and

798

I've just never had the confidence to do

so, but I think I've got what it takes.

799

Or it could be.

800

You know, honestly, I've worked with

clients who want to lose weight and we've

801

worked on that and I, I don't train them,

but I life coach them to get them there.

802

Um, it could be something like getting

settled in a new country with your family.

803

It could be, you know, meeting the partner

of your dreams, but whatever that like

804

next big goal is for you, you're going

to talk about that with your life coach.

805

Like, typically like session one, um,

or even pre session, and then we look at

806

where you're at right now, and we plan out

a strategy to get from point A to point Z.

807

And so typically, I work with my

clients for three to six months,

808

even up to a year, depending on

what it is they want to achieve.

809

And so then we baby step our way there.

810

So if, for example, You know, you're

looking to create a business and

811

you want to have this business

up and running in six months.

812

Well, then we're going to break it up

into monthly milestones, weekly practices,

813

and it's all coming from a very action

oriented place and also something

814

that feels very doable to the client.

815

Um, the goal is not to be.

816

overwhelming because

we want success, right?

817

So the role of the life coach, and this is

like the really interesting part, right?

818

Is this is probably where the health

coach and the life coach differ a bit.

819

Um, the health coach you go

to because they're an expert

820

because they're the person who's

going to give you the meal plan.

821

That's going to give you the exercises

that knows how to get you there.

822

And the life coach, I am not necessarily

the expert in your life, like if you came

823

to me and said, Heather, I want to build

a podcast, I'd be like, that's great,

824

Evan, let's do it, I'm here for you.

825

Do I know how to build a podcast?

826

No, but I can still coach you there.

827

So my role is not to tell you what

to do exactly, as it is to help you

828

outline your goals, come up with really

achievable milestones, and then like

829

weekly practices to get you there.

830

Help hold you accountable.

831

Right?

832

Because this is the big thing that

most of us have goals, but we aren't

833

actually working on them because they

get put off to the back burner because

834

you know life happens and things are

busy and Stuff gets in the way and so we

835

just don't take action And so the life

coach is there to be like, hey, remember

836

you said you're gonna do that thing.

837

Did you do that thing?

838

Like, you didn't send me the picture.

839

I didn't get the text.

840

Like, why didn't you do that thing?

841

So we're there as like the

accountability measure, right?

842

That's a really big one.

843

And we're there to kind of dig a little

deeper, to like probe a bit deeper.

844

And so my role is really to ask really

Um, empowering questions that get the

845

client thinking and that kind of take them

a bit deeper into what it is they really

846

want, what might possibly be holding

them back, and then also how to make sure

847

that it doesn't hold them back anymore

so that they're not stuck ever again.

848

Accountability is something that should

never be like belittled or, you know,

849

unaccounted for because it is literally

the difference between accomplishing

850

your goals and not accomplishing them.

851

Like a hundred and fifty million percent.

852

I see it with people

that I've worked with.

853

I see it with myself.

854

Um, that in itself is one of

the most important things I

855

think in accomplishing goals.

856

Yeah.

857

Yeah.

858

I mean, a hundred percent.

859

Like, that's really like, I worked

with one client that had huge, huge

860

goals, like wanted to reach these

major milestones in three months.

861

And I was like, okay, let's do it.

862

And honestly, like he

did, like he totally did.

863

And he was so like on top of

it on target all the time.

864

And.

865

The biggest thing he said to me was like,

I could have done this by myself all

866

along, but I never did until I had you.

867

And I knew that I was going to see

you every week and you were going

868

to ask about my like practices.

869

And if I had done them and I

didn't want to let you down.

870

And that was like the biggest

motivating factor for him,

871

which, you know, accountability.

872

is really big for a lot of people.

873

It's not like the biggest factor

for everyone, but for him it was.

874

Yeah.

875

It's, it's massive one for sure.

876

Let's run through a little bit of this.

877

How, how would you, how would you Open

up a session with someone, would you,

878

what would a typical session look like?

879

Sure.

880

So, um, I would just be like, I

mean, like we, we've discussed

881

this already to your audience, but

I'm like, are you okay with me?

882

Life coaching you, Evan?

883

Yeah.

884

Yeah.

885

Let's do it.

886

Let's do it.

887

Heather.

888

All right, let's get into it.

889

So, um, hey, Evan, thanks for

doing this session with me today.

890

I'm super excited to get into it with you.

891

Always happy to speak with

you, Heather, and glad to have

892

this moment of accountability.

893

I noticed you say that with

a little bit of trepidation.

894

It's tough, but it's good.

895

It is.

896

It is.

897

Um, so what is it that's

on your mind lately, Evan?

898

Like, what's something that you

would like to work on that you

899

feel like's been holding you back?

900

Yeah, it's one thing I've been working

on, and I think I'm trying to perfect

901

it, is My time management and more

specifically my time management with,

902

uh, miscellaneous tasks and my podcast.

903

So one of the big things I've been doing

recently is I've shifted from trying

904

to get like an hour's worth of work

after already doing my, you know, main

905

job and then, you know, coming home.

906

Um, Like eating real quick and then

trying to just like hammer out some work.

907

So I would do like an hour every

single night, pretty much Monday

908

through Thursday or Friday or so.

909

And, um, and then I would kind of just

take my weekends off, although I was

910

typically still busy on the weekends.

911

And something I've recently done is I've

stopped doing that and I've dedicated

912

more of a, Block hour, um, not hour,

but like block time on Sunday to sit

913

down and really just go through, like,

for example, my podcast and really just

914

designate some time to it to where I

can really get into it and, you know,

915

put maybe three or four hours in one go

towards it, which I've done it two times

916

now, and it's been really, really great.

917

Um, but I'm definitely seeing that,

you know, moving forward, it's

918

going to be something that I'm going

to have to prioritize and really

919

schedule in because it's easy to

make, allow it to go to the wayside.

920

Sure.

921

Sure.

922

Sure.

923

Okay.

924

So, I mean, tell me more about like

what prompted you to make this change?

925

What prompted me was I would be, you

know, I release the episode every

926

single Wednesday and a lot of the

times I'll be Cleaning up an episode

927

the night before I release it and it's

like maybe I'll even have a couple

928

episodes already Recorded but I haven't

cleaned any of them up and edited them.

929

So then I find myself

on Tuesday at 9 30 p.

930

m.

931

Crunching through a episode trying to

really, you know, make sure it sounds

932

good and Um, you know, has all the

parts to it and it's trimmed and then

933

I got to worry about the video content

and just, you know, all, all the, all

934

the stuff that comes along with it.

935

And then it's like, I know I'm going to

be up at five o'clock the next morning.

936

So then I'm trying to

like rush through it.

937

And it just got to a point where, um,

I actually had a week, the very first

938

week in over two years where I missed

a week of an episode because, um, I

939

was literally editing an episode and

then I am not the most technology

940

gift, uh, technologically gifted.

941

And so I deleted all of my work.

942

That one took me like

hours on hours on hours.

943

And it was like almost

10 o'clock at night.

944

And it was like, Okay, do I just catch

two or three hours of sleep this night

945

and make sure this episode comes up on

time or Do I just announce that there

946

is no episode this week and i'm going

to ensure that I have some really good

947

episodes coming up in the following weeks.

948

And so that right there was my

really It was like the the straw

949

that broke the camel's back for sure.

950

It's what made me Re evaluate it

and say no you have to find a time

951

That's more designated and more

efficient for you to get these done.

952

Yeah.

953

Yeah So what i'm really hearing here

is like you're saying Like you were

954

feeling really stressed And that you

were trying to kind of squeeze in this

955

work that requires a lot of thought

focus and energy into a time where you

956

didn't really have a lot of focus and

energy and then it was resulting in, uh,

957

feeling kind of frantic and stressed.

958

Yeah.

959

Hundred hundred percent.

960

Yeah.

961

So now that you've made this change

and you're doing your podcast

962

editing on Sundays, how do you feel?

963

It feels really good.

964

Um, I think it's a little bit harder to.

965

Set that time aside and to really like,

you know, I already have typically, you

966

know, Monday through Friday are for sure

completely scheduled and jam packed.

967

Saturday as well can be

pretty jam packed depending.

968

Um, and then Sunday is pretty much

my only day free and it's a tough

969

thing to be like, cool, I'm going

to take three or four hours out of

970

this day and just, Do more work.

971

So, um, I think that's hard, but the

thing is, is that when I do it, especially

972

if I just get up at a good hour and

actually get after it, I'm really like

973

focused on the work that I'm doing.

974

I can actually get a good amount of work

done in a relatively small amount of time.

975

And then on top of that, it frees

up every single evening, Monday

976

through Friday, which is so nice.

977

Yeah.

978

Yeah.

979

I get that.

980

I definitely hear like

the struggle too, right?

981

Is that you're Like already working a lot

like a full time job plus like podcasts

982

on top of it and then like trying to do

things on The weekends and so like the

983

tough part if i'm hearing this correctly

You can you can tell me if i'm not is

984

that it doesn't feel like you're getting

a lot of downtime or like self care

985

time Yeah, yeah, definitely trying to

find the Self care time has, um, it's

986

there and I think I'm slowly finding

places where I can have more of it.

987

Like even in the evenings of my,

you know, Monday through Friday

988

kind of weekday, uh, times.

989

But, um, yeah, but I do know that when

I'm doing these Sunday sessions, I

990

also have the opportunity to get ahead

and set myself up for, Possibly more

991

downtime in the future as long as I

can be disciplined in the Near future.

992

Yeah, so what would like a really dreamy?

993

Schedule look like for you.

994

Ooh It would probably look like Monday

through friday Pretty busy and i'm cool

995

with that And a saturday Um You know

depending on what's going on that Saturday

996

like possibly open possibly busy But

then maybe even like every other Sunday

997

off Pretty much and then with one Sunday

on and maybe just going hard at it.

998

Okay.

999

Okay, so every other

Sunday Nothing completely.

01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:36,850

Oh, yeah.

01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:38,240

Yeah, that'd be sweet.

01:02:38,930 --> 01:02:44,740

Okay, and How possible is that for you

to carve out for yourself right now?

01:02:46,285 --> 01:02:54,065

It's possible, but I do think that in,

for the next like, let's just say, Like

01:02:54,075 --> 01:02:58,975

month, I would have to really be super

strategic and maybe even put in a little

01:02:58,985 --> 01:03:04,875

extra time on the Sunday sessions to

like really get myself ahead and, you

01:03:04,875 --> 01:03:10,055

know, have episodes like ready to go

and, you know, like completely edited

01:03:10,055 --> 01:03:13,245

all that good stuff so that then I could.

01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:17,560

Really just utilize the every

other Sunday as like, uh, hey,

01:03:17,590 --> 01:03:18,530

let's really get after it.

01:03:18,540 --> 01:03:22,470

Make sure we have you know So many

episodes ready to go and then that way

01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:29,200

next Sunday could be a total just like

chill and easygoing day Yeah so I heard

01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,330

you say like it would mean that you'd

have to put in some extra work and like

01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:37,560

really go like Hardcore discipline to

make that happen within the next month.

01:03:38,570 --> 01:03:40,490

How motivated are you to do that?

01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:45,910

Actually probably this

month Not super motivated.

01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:55,050

I'm the reason for that being Is that I

have within the next like six weeks a lot

01:03:55,070 --> 01:04:03,350

going on at work but Beyond that I think

when that would calm down I would be like

01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:09,270

really motivated to like have that free

time because then I would be I would be

01:04:09,290 --> 01:04:14,520

able to dedicate a little bit more time

to the podcast and then really Down the

01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,000

line actually have that like open sunday.

01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,904

So I would say like Here in

the immediate, immediate sense,

01:04:19,915 --> 01:04:21,285

it's going to be so difficult.

01:04:21,305 --> 01:04:24,535

I don't know if I'm honestly willing

to like put myself through that at the

01:04:24,535 --> 01:04:30,635

moment, but I think, um, yeah, in like,

it would almost be exactly six weeks, five

01:04:30,635 --> 01:04:35,185

or six weeks from now, it would calm down

and it would be an opportunity for that.

01:04:35,315 --> 01:04:37,230

And I would be very motivated to do that.

01:04:37,700 --> 01:04:39,510

Okay, okay, and that's totally fair.

01:04:39,940 --> 01:04:44,420

So, within the next six weeks, this is

not the plan, because it's not going

01:04:44,420 --> 01:04:48,980

to work for your lifestyle, right in

this, excuse me, immediate six weeks.

01:04:49,630 --> 01:04:53,810

But, after that six weeks, I'm

hearing like, yeah, I would go for

01:04:53,810 --> 01:04:56,550

that, because it would be worth it

at that point, and I could handle it.

01:04:58,380 --> 01:05:04,560

Okay, and then within this

immediate six weeks, just to give

01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:05,990

you a little bit of relief, right?

01:05:06,020 --> 01:05:13,300

So that, like, you could get some

semblance of this, like, free time that it

01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:14,930

feels like you're craving a little bit of.

01:05:16,850 --> 01:05:21,160

What do you see as possible for

you within these next six weeks?

01:05:21,210 --> 01:05:26,540

Like, where could you

carve out some free time?

01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,320

I think that Sunday could

largely be a free day.

01:05:33,700 --> 01:05:37,700

Even with me working on the podcast,

but rather, once again, freedom

01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:41,700

with discipline, I would need to

be very disciplined on my Sundays.

01:05:41,700 --> 01:05:45,510

And, you know, not that I have

to wake up at five o'clock,

01:05:45,550 --> 01:05:47,779

but maybe six or six thirty.

01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:54,200

Get a little sleep, sleep in time, but

then really for, you know, right upon

01:05:54,200 --> 01:06:00,070

waking up, maybe have a little moment

of coffee and reading or meditation or

01:06:00,070 --> 01:06:05,210

whatever, and then just getting after

the work, sitting down, getting after it,

01:06:05,210 --> 01:06:11,850

and then finding myself with literally,

you know, from Like, 11 o'clock on, free.

01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:12,220

Mm hmm.

01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:13,100

Okay.

01:06:13,550 --> 01:06:16,170

And now that you've just said that,

like, how does that make you feel?

01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:18,620

It'd be nice.

01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:20,279

Okay!

01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:21,300

It feels good.

01:06:21,310 --> 01:06:22,140

, it would be awesome.

01:06:22,140 --> 01:06:24,850

I mean, I would, I don't

even know what I would do.

01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:26,790

I would, I would just enjoy the time.

01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:28,290

It would be so good.

01:06:29,310 --> 01:06:32,660

So how committed are you

to doing that this week?

01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:36,020

I'm super committed to doing it.

01:06:36,150 --> 01:06:42,590

Um, I think here recently I've really

just, ever since that week of missing

01:06:42,590 --> 01:06:48,460

an episode, I've been like really

dialed in on wanting to make sure

01:06:48,460 --> 01:06:50,700

that Sunday is the day for that.

01:06:50,700 --> 01:06:56,779

And so I would say, yeah, I'm like,

I'm, I'm quite committed to doing that.

01:06:56,820 --> 01:06:58,270

Um, it would have to be.

01:06:58,610 --> 01:07:03,440

Like I don't know a big event on a

Sunday for me to be like, okay cool

01:07:03,490 --> 01:07:05,170

Like I can't do anything on this day.

01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:11,640

Mm hmm So this week you're committed

to saying like I'm gonna wake up

01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,529

early on Sunday I'll have my morning

time to myself to like coffee

01:07:16,529 --> 01:07:18,160

meditate get your head, right?

01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,020

Get into the work and then once

the work's done, put it away and

01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:23,350

have the rest of your day free.

01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:25,420

Yeah.

01:07:25,540 --> 01:07:25,850

Okay.

01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:26,310

Sure.

01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:31,660

So give it a shot and then, okay,

so here I am as your life coach.

01:07:31,660 --> 01:07:36,190

Like I want you to text me Sunday

night and tell me how it went.

01:07:36,490 --> 01:07:36,970

How it felt.

01:07:38,170 --> 01:07:38,610

Okay.

01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:39,220

I got you.

01:07:39,570 --> 01:07:39,870

Yeah.

01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:41,860

I already got you on, on speed dial.

01:07:42,140 --> 01:07:42,779

Um, yeah.

01:07:42,779 --> 01:07:43,160

Yeah.

01:07:44,250 --> 01:07:45,430

So, okay.

01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:49,220

So this is what you're committing

to for this week is trying out

01:07:49,230 --> 01:07:52,090

this kind of half Sunday schedule.

01:07:53,140 --> 01:07:56,650

It wasn't necessarily practical for

you to have a full day off on Sunday,

01:07:57,060 --> 01:08:00,835

but a half day off sounds We're

approximating what you're wanting.

01:08:01,585 --> 01:08:02,685

Yes, 100%.

01:08:03,505 --> 01:08:08,125

And that's not to say, uh, as well,

the occasional Saturday that opens up

01:08:08,125 --> 01:08:11,035

as well, which is always very nice.

01:08:11,335 --> 01:08:11,895

Yeah.

01:08:12,825 --> 01:08:16,145

So, how are you feeling right

now around, like, your original

01:08:16,145 --> 01:08:19,015

request of, like, trying to figure

out this time management piece?

01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:20,590

Yeah, I feel good.

01:08:20,590 --> 01:08:23,130

I feel definitely more clarity.

01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:28,700

I think moving further down the line

because I think immediately I knew

01:08:28,700 --> 01:08:32,890

I wanted to do this Sunday session,

but I think now I have more of an

01:08:32,890 --> 01:08:37,640

idea of like how this could actually

look two, three, four months out from

01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,840

now and kind of like the freedom and

availability that that would provide.

01:08:42,290 --> 01:08:42,840

Yeah.

01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:43,920

Yeah.

01:08:44,300 --> 01:08:44,790

I love that.

01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:49,340

And so like working to this point where

you could have a full Sunday off and then.

01:08:49,715 --> 01:08:54,385

My other question is, like, since, like,

you are kind of craving a little bit

01:08:54,385 --> 01:09:00,625

more breathing room, is there any other

place in your week where you could fit

01:09:00,635 --> 01:09:03,154

in a little bit of unscheduled time?

01:09:04,694 --> 01:09:11,675

Fridays tend to be One of the more chill

days for me and I feel like that has

01:09:11,675 --> 01:09:17,425

been a day traditionally where I'm able

to Kind of have like a really hard stop

01:09:17,495 --> 01:09:23,505

on my work and then really just kind

of like Enjoy the evening on a friday,

01:09:23,505 --> 01:09:28,765

which is always really nice and honestly

ritual being The amazing company that

01:09:28,765 --> 01:09:34,415

it is they give all of their employees

every fourth friday of the month off so

01:09:34,415 --> 01:09:39,425

You It's yeah, I mean like they're an

absolute heaven sent and it's incredible

01:09:39,425 --> 01:09:45,154

and when that happens It's like a great

opportunity to just catch up on stuff

01:09:45,675 --> 01:09:49,665

Take it easy, you know do all the all the

things that you've been needing to do.

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So it's it's really awesome Okay, so

you've got like at least one other place

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where you can fit in some like breathing

room like Friday evenings of like not

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Working taking care of you Absolutely.

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Okay.

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So, I'm going to hold you to it.

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Do your half Sunday off.

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And it's kind of like what we

talked about before, right?

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The discipline equals freedom.

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And let me know how it feels, how it

goes, and know that, like, this is your

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schedule, and so if something doesn't

feel right, if it's not working, then it's

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a place we can revisit and always, you

know, modify and make it work for you.

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But I think you've got a really good like

first step of like trying this out And

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then also with like an eye on the long

term of like six weeks from now Maybe

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we can expand on it a little bit 100.

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, I tend to do well in a in a short term

like future site but uh the long term is

01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:53,020

something I don't normally pay attention

to so that's a nice thing to have a

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little bit more clarity on for sure.

01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:55,470

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I love it.

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And I, I mean, I know we're keeping

this like session a little bit short.

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And so we're kind of just tapping into

like a really mini part of your Like

01:11:05,575 --> 01:11:11,305

schedule and your time management, like

focus, but it's definitely something

01:11:11,305 --> 01:11:15,665

that could be expanded upon and like

gotten, gotten into and like more depth

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and like looked at a bit further, which

I'd totally be happy to do with you

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at any point, but, you know, just so.

01:11:22,265 --> 01:11:25,815

Listeners know that this is like

just a little like snippet of

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like a life coaching session.

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Yeah.

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No, it's Really nice to have an

ear to speak with and have someone

01:11:33,975 --> 01:11:37,225

actually bounce actionable steps

back to you So I appreciate it.

01:11:37,275 --> 01:11:37,625

Of course.

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Yeah, like like you said this was a mini

piece, but also a very important piece

01:11:42,434 --> 01:11:46,225

for me so I really appreciate you doing

that with me because it is something

01:11:46,225 --> 01:11:52,495

that has been um, Mentally pulling a

lot of my attention and energy so I

01:11:52,505 --> 01:11:54,660

appreciate that right Right, right, right.

01:11:54,710 --> 01:11:55,040

Yeah.

01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,680

And that's, I mean, I totally get that.

01:11:56,690 --> 01:11:59,380

Like I'm super busy as well.

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And so I know how that feels when you're

just like, Oh my gosh, my schedule is so

01:12:02,630 --> 01:12:04,770

busy and you just feel really overwhelmed.

01:12:05,300 --> 01:12:10,000

And I mean, there are ways, even if you

are a busy person, like you are like

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to heal your relationship with time,

to be able to accomplish the things

01:12:13,790 --> 01:12:17,450

that you want to and need to, but still

feel like you have some breathing room.

01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:19,000

Like it's very possible.

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Everything is figureoutable.

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And like, I mean, like I said,

this was just a mini session.

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So there's definitely like

deeper and deeper we can go and

01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,430

like more epiphanies to be had.

01:12:30,809 --> 01:12:33,890

And you know, like I said, I

said somewhere in the podcast, I

01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:37,730

typically work with clients anywhere

from like three to like 12 months.

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And so like you just get

further down this path.

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Um, I think the really cool thing is like,

I am not the expert on your schedule.

01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:51,000

I, I don't think that that would

be possible for me to do that.

01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,510

Like, I'm not going to tell you,

well, here's what you should do,

01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:56,070

Evan, because I don't know what's

going to work for your life.

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But the more I can question and

kind of peel back those layers, the

01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:08,005

more it reveals to you, like, What

steps, what steps are possible?

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Yeah, for sure.

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For sure.

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It does.

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And, and it's the questions that need