We’re continuing coverage of the Ultimate Everymen, and today, we travel back to December of 1983 to discuss the action Vietnam War thriller with our Patrick Swayze as well as Gene Hackman and a great ensemble cast in Uncommon Valor!

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Hello.

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Hello.

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I'm Katie and welcome to Retro

Made, your pop culture rewind.

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take another trip down lane.

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today are continuing our coverage of

the ultimate everyman and we'll be

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traveling back to December of 1983 to

discuss the action Vietnam war thriller.

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With our Patrick Swayze, as well as

Gene Hackman, and I think a great

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ensemble cast in Uncommon Valor.

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I am delighted to have Scott

and Steve from Dropping a Bruce,

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which is also on the Last of the

Action Heroes podcast network.

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And the Cheeky Bastards podcast with

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me today.

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Are there any other shows?

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did.

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I get that right?

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Scott: You did.

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We have so the cheeky bastards is our

like main state name, but we are for that.

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We're also the men of action from that.

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So it's basically the cheesy

bastards with us, our name change.

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And we too have that show on the

amazing last of the action heroes.

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Katie: very nice.

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Well, tell us a little more about you

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guys and your show shows.

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Scott: Well, we met it's a very long

way, but I had a show many years ago,

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about three years ago called yeah.

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Watch this or die.

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And Steve was one of the few people

who ever reached out to us on the show.

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when we were getting ready to bring

him on as a guest, my former co host,

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he was about to have a second child.

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And so life had kind of, sped up for him.

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And I am.

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So this is not normally where

you see my recording space.

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I had to, my son has moved back in.

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That's a lot of fun when

they leave and come back.

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So I lost my office.

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Katie: Mm-Hmm.

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Scott: So now I record in my bedroom.

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But so Steve had been reaching out.

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And so I went on my own journey

and started the church of Tarantino

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podcast, and Steve was my very first

guest and he was on so much in the

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first season that we started talking.

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And originally dropping a Bruce was

going to be a show we did together.

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Honestly, the month we were getting

ready to start recording that Bruce

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Willis announced to the world or his

family announced that he had aphasia.

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so we said, man, I don't know that this is

the right time for me to start a podcast

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talking about Bruce Willis's that he

only did for video release as he's just

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been announced with having this horrible.

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Memory disease.

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So we were like, all right,

let's put a pin in that.

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six months later, we opened up the

cheeky bastards and originally it was

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just us kind of spewing our unpopular

opinions on certain films or certain

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things that we did and didn't like.

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And then we kind of changed it

over after the first season.

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It started with us.

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We talked a lot of shit about

Michael Bay, especially me.

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I talked, we talked a lot of shit on me.

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So we thought, you know what,

instead of just talking crap

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about it, we'll start off season

two with an entire retrospective

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look back at all 15 of his films.

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So our first three episodes were, we

did with a special guest of ours, a

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friend of ours, Petros Patsilovas, we

went through all 15 movies last summer.

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Like we, it was a slog for all of us.

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We watched all of them.

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And we then did each episode.

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The first was his good ones.

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The second episode we did was

the five middle of the roads.

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And the last were the ones we

thought were just pure dog shit.

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And it was a lot of

fun, but it got Steven.

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I think maybe we should just

lean into a action centered.

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Philosophy of this podcast.

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We were having more

fun talking about that.

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So we kind of kicked off the new version

of the cheeky bastards are the men of

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action with a Christmas spectacular

where we pitted against each other.

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Fat man with Mel Gibson against

the amazing way that came out the

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year before, but a violent night.

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And so,

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Katie: Night

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Scott: oh, it was great.

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We, we had a blast doing it.

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And so from them, we have literally just

been taking action movies and trying

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to find some kind of like maybe common

thread with them, but combining them.

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So right now it's this, this season,

we've been doing a lot of like, looking

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at two Van Damme movies, two Seagal

movies, two sorts of things, that kind

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of thing, put him against each other.

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And that's been a lot of fun.

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So obviously you've kind of talked

more as I have that, you know.

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That head host that.

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You know, I've

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Steve: Never shuts up.

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Scott: shut the fuck up.

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I have that lead singer, American thing.

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So sorry, Steve, you, you

jump in and fill in more gaps.

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Steve: Well yeah, because I'd worked

in internet radio for about 10 years.

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And then Spotify kind of blew up.

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And it made what I was doing feel

a bit redundant, because basically

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people had the entire history of

music at the click of a button.

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Whereas before, we were sort of,

the network I was part of, We

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were trying to show people more

obscure underground stuff, but

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now everyone could listen to it.

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So, yeah, so I was doing that and

Scott's show, Watch This or Die,

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it sort of was starting at the

same time that I finished mine.

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So I was, I was a listener basically.

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And that's how I contacted Scott saying,

you know, I listened to your show and

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that we had very similar tastes in film.

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And so I was at a place where I still

wanted to be active in some way.

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But what I was doing

was no longer relevant.

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And then Scott just

came up with this idea.

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You know, he was doing his Church

of Tarantino, which I, , he asked me

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to be on the first episode, talking

about funnily enough, what was my

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favorite Tarantino movie anyway.

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So the first episode was

Reservoir Dogs, which is my

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favorite Tarantino movie anyway.

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We really hit it off.

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And then started

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spitballing ideas, basically.

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And like he said, you

know, Dropping a Bruce.

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Felt a bit in bad taste at the time.

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And we went with the cheeky

bastards and now, Here we are.

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Scott: We circled back

around a year later.

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We really, we said, well, I

think there's enough time, right?

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I think enough time has passed.

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I think we

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Steve: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Well that was too good

an idea, what he had.

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, This was his idea, and I was, I was

into it, so I love Bruce Willis, anyway.

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But yeah, it was just like,

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do you think that's a bit in bad taste

if we do, if we, because we're gonna

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probably make fun of a lot of these films.

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Katie: Mm-Hmm.

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Steve: And I sort of thought, we both did,

we both thought, no, maybe we'll, so we

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did The Cheeky Pass, and then like Scott

said, yeah, a year's passed, screw it.

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Scott: Yeah.

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Steve: Ah, let's go.

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Scott: people forgot about it.

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Don't worry about it.

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We're

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Steve: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, so

we're sort of a third of the way

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through the journey, no, not even that.

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Katie: Yeah.

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No, I like, I especially like you pitting

the two movies up against each other.

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Because sometimes

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you,

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it's like one movie's not quite enough

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to, you know, like

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Scott: Yeah, too.

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too.

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Steve: That's right.

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Katie: In order to get us into the right

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open the time capsule from that time.

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Because this is, nearing the 30th

episode, we've covered a lot of this.

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So with Kurt Russell

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and

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Scott: Mm.

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Katie: movies from the 80s and

90s, I usually cover what was

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going on in current events.

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TV, music, et cetera.

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We've literally covered December

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week, too, in the Silkwood episode.

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Scott: Mm mm.

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Katie: And then also some of the other

stuff from 83 in the Red Dawn episode.

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So if you listeners have not

checked out Silkwood, I also covered

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in Silkwood, Mama's Family and

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So

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check

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Scott: Remember it well.

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Katie: Have you guys seen Silkwood?

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It's like one of those that

hardly anybody has seen.

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It's

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hard

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Scott: No,

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Steve: No.

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Katie: hard to get your

hands on, is what I mean.

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Steve: Yeah.

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Scott: haven't.

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Yeah.

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Katie: to stream anywhere.

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It's very good.

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Because we've already covered

that, we're going to do

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something a little bit different

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Scott: Okay.

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Katie: provided Scott and Steve a list of

some of the popular prime time TV shows.

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Some serious finales?

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What had premiered at that time?

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Got you guys?

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Scott: The date you're, this is released

was five days after my eighth birthday.

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So I was born at the end

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So when I saw two names on here, when I

saw the 18 and he meant I was instantly

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transported back to the little boy.

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And I remember He Man vividly.

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I still have some of the action figures.

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I've saved them for my son and I

held on to them also for when I

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have grandkids, just so they can,

except they don't make good toys.

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Anyway, they just really don't

make the kind of quality toys.

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But I mean, He Man was like a G.

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I.

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Joe for me as well.

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We come home every day from school

and you would just get in front of

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the TV as soon as you got home and.

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Pop this on.

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And of course, I mean, Steve

being an English guy, this May,

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this probably goes over his head.

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'cause this isn't some of the thing that,

you know, obviously the same, we didn't

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have the same upbringings or the same

stuff going on in each of our households.

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But it's, and then the A team, of course,

I mean the, A team, funny, when I was

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watching this movie, I couldn't think, but

Harken to the bit of the, a team feel of

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Katie: Mm-Hmm?

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Scott: the movie.

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Like they just kind of, you

know, a, a team that, that comes

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together, brought back together.

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So I was like, wow, that feels

like, it's like we're just

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missing the, a team theme here.

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And it's kind of like a offshoot of the A

Team cause being so young, I, some of the

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list, I mean, I would know Spectre Gadget

and all this other stuff, but the A Team

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and He Man were prevalent in my life, Mr.

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T, the, I mean, and, it's funny,

we look back now, but the A Team,

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no, lot of shooting, and we've seen

this in just the shows we've done

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for Bruce Willis, the Bullets don't

matter until bullets need to matter.

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A lot of shooting going

on in the eight team.

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A lot of fruit stands are

always getting run over

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Katie: Oh,

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Scott: the eight in these, in

these shows in the eighties.

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if you were, if you were a purveyor

of fruits in the eighties, it was

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a very precarious lifestyle to

have cause there was a good chance.

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You were going to get hit in some kind of

chase there's a good chance your storage

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was going to get run over by a car.

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So, you know, it's just these great

moments of thinking back to, I know

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it's like an old fuddy duddy when

you say things like this, but it was

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like, so much a simpler time, but just

for me, it felt like a simpler time.

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Cause when you're young, you have no cares

in the world, you know, for the most part.

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And just to go back to these days of,

you know, just coming home, having a

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snack, putting your feet up, watching

these shows, just enjoying being a kid.

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Yeah, I mean, I wish I could go

back today to go back to the, to

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the beginning of He Man and the

A Team being on at the same time.

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Steve: Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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Katie: sure if you guys were born yet.

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You know, I

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know

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Guests,

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Scott: that.

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Well, thank you.

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Steve: Yeah, I was,

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Katie: Steve?

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Steve: I was,

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Scott: He,

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Steve: I was 13

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Scott: 30.

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You

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Steve: in 1983.

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Scott: wrong.

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I'm sorry.

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You said 30 wrong.

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Ha, ha,

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Steve: me cry.

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Katie: look a lot younger than

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you

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Steve: Well, thank you very much.

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But yeah, I was edging towards 13

and a lot of the shows you gave us

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in the list, I wasn't familiar with.

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That,

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Katie: uk

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Steve: exactly.

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So,

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Scott: More like you can't.

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Sorry.

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Steve: Oh, that's pretty good.

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Scott: Thank you.

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Steve: It's pretty good for you.

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Yeah, so a lot, I mean, obviously,

you know, things like Chips, The A

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Team, TJ Hooker, stuff like that.

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You know, we'd only just, in 1983 in the

UK, we'd only just got four TV channels.

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So, you know, the UK shows took

precedent and there were, you know,

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some of them were on, you know,

obviously the A team was huge.

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Yeah, so I did say to Scott

earlier, a lot of these shows,

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Katie: Oh,

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Steve: I didn't really, I remember, I

remember getting to, you know, films,

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things like He Man, Inspector Gadget.

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I'm nearly 13, so I'm already feeling a

little bit too old for that sort of thing.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Steve: also, when I obviously at

that time, the video, the home

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video boom was, you know, the

whole VHS rental market was huge.

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So I was really already

steeped in movies at that age,

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you know,

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Katie: Mm-Hmm?

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Steve: not to be boring about it, but

my dad, he worked in a hi fi store

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and we were one of the first people

to get a VHS, to get a video recorder.

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Katie: Well, I was gonna

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We didn't have a VCR

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Steve: Yeah, see, we did.

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So

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Scott: he couldn't watch

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Steve: yeah, you know,

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Scott: he could record if he could,

you know, he had the opportunity.

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Steve: So at that time we just

started getting, you know, video

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was just starting to take off and.

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My dad used to bring home

some crazy movies, because

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the knowledge wasn't there.

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We, you know, we didn't obviously,

obviously have the internet then, so.

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I get to see some crazy

movies when I was young.

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I was, films like Shogun

Assassin and stuff like that.

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I was, my dad just brought them home.

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He didn't know what they were.

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He just put them on and we'd all just sit

there, like blood spurting everywhere.

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When you sent that list

and I saw the, I saw Taxi.

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I was just like, Mary Lou Hannah.

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She was like my, sort of

one of my first crushes.

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But yeah, so a lot of the shows, apart

from the A Team, Chicks, kind of,

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Katie: Yeah,

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Steve: I'm not familiar with.

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Katie: well, to be fair, these are

a lot of these are before my time.

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I've never seen Dallas or dynasty.

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I'm familiar with them.

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Same with Simon and Simon,

Falcon Crest, Knott's Landing.

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I know of them, but I've

literally never seen them

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Scott: Those are all those like.

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They're almost, they were almost

like the nighttime version of the

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soap operas we had here in America.

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I don't know if you had soap operas

over there in UK or not, Steven, but

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Steve: Yeah, well not,

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Scott: the, it's like the, you

know, like those are like the

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daytime ones, but these are like

the really prestigious night ones.

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You know, I remember my parents

watched Dallas dynasty, Falcon

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crest, like these are all, all

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terrible shows.

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It was yes.

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Katie: yeah, it definitely was.

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Yeah.

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Scott: Big time soap operas at night.

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Basically what is what those five,

these four shows you have on here were.

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Absolutely.

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Steve: think at that time,

at that particular time, we

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didn't have soap operas, yet.

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Katie: Oh,

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Steve: Not quite.

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Not

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Scott: I mean, you had Masterpiece

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Steve: would have been imports.

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Yeah.

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Yeah They would have been imports.

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They would have been that I think

there was some Australian ones And

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obviously I remembered I remember

I totally remember Dallas Dynasty

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Falcon Crest because my mum used to

watch them and maybe I'd get to sit up

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and watch like Dynasty or something.

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I remember who shot Jr.

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I remember,

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Scott: Yeah, that was a big moment.

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Steve: I remember.

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It was a the Ewings, the one who

they made out that she was dreaming

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the whole, the whole season was her

having, I can't remember his name.

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The one who came back,

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Scott: know what you mean, yeah.

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Steve: Jr's brother.

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So I can remember all that.

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Not vivid, you know,

not, not like vividly.

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I, I just sort of, you know, memories

of being able to sit up a little

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bit late and watch something and not

knowing what the hell was going on.

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I

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Katie: I do kind of miss the times

of, it did seem like a simpler time.

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I don't know.

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Was it because I was a kid, but

I do think the internet was such

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a massive shift that pre internet

really was a simpler time, like more

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Scott: Oh, it was.

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Well, I

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Steve: we talk about all the time with

my friends when we're about when we talk

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about music, especially when we're like,

you know, you just go to the record

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store and your new your favorite band

would have a new album out and you didn't

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even know there was going to be one.

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Katie: Yeah.

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Steve: just, you couldn't, you weren't

waiting for albums to come out or

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necessarily new films to come out either.

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You were just.

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They would just be there one day.

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Scott: yeah,

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Steve: It was an amazing time.

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Scott: and you'd be like,

Oh, shit, Empire Strikes Back

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Steve: Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah crazy.

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Scott: And plus, you

had to be informed, too.

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So, nowadays, I don't think

on the internet you have

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to be informed or anything.

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You can just say whatever the Fuck

you want anything stupid and you

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just throw it out there and you

don't even have to be informed.

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But if you were going to talk about

these shows or TV, you know, I know

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we've cut back on bullying in all the

countries, but there was something about

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the intelligence bullying where you'd

say, you know, you'd be talking about

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what we could be about He Man and you,

and so I'm like, Oh yeah, I watch He Man.

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And they'd say something like,

you didn't fucking watch He Man.

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You know what the fuck you shut up.

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You're like, shut the fuck up, Todd.

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You know what I mean?

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Can I, when I'm talking to you,

you know what you're talking

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Steve: Ah,

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Scott: know,

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Steve: poor Todd.

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Scott: you can have these

conversations with people and you

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would have to have a knowledge.

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You have to bring some kind of

knowledge to each conversation and not

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just be like, that's fucking stupid.

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Send, you know, and without ever

watching it, you know what I mean?

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Oh, there's a black guy in the show.

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Send, you know, they're

like, wait a minute.

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What do you, have you watched Mr.

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T, have you watched any of these things?

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I miss those times because.

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While they were simpler, but you also

had to educate yourself because you

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were afraid to look like an idiot

in front of people and you wanted

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to be in the know back then, right?

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If

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Steve: Hmm.

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Scott: something, you, Steve

knows about Jr being shot.

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I know about it because.

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I never saw it, but I remember TV guide.

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It was all anyone could talk

about when that season ended.

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And I remember when the TV guy

came out to, you know, announce the

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new seasons coming out, my parents

would have it and on the front.

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They knew the first episode who shot Jay.

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They're finally going to find out

after an entire summer of waiting, who

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shot Jr tonight at 10 o'clock on CBS.

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You know, that kind of

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Steve: I, I mainly remember who

shot, JR I think is I brought my dad.

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A mug with I Shot JR on it for

his birthday when I was a kid.

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Katie: What was the collective experience?

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Scott: The water cooler

moments as they talk about.

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Steve: Yes, that's right.

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Katie: disparate now.

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I think it's time before we get

into the movie Uncommon Valor.

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I always ask my guests a couple of

questions because this season is

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focused on both Patrick Swayze and Kurt

Russell, I call the ultimate everymen.

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Do you guys have any like thoughts

or fandom about either Kurt

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or Patrick that come to mind?

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Scott: So, yes, for me, it's Kurt Russell.

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As a young boy growing up in central

New York, we had a channel out

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of New York City called WPIX11.

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When cable finally kicked in.

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And so my first introduction to either

one of these gentlemen was, Snake

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Plissken from escape from New York.

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And

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Katie: covered

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Scott: I'm at an age now where I'm

thinking about possibly getting an

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eyepatch just to have an eyepatch.

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Cause no one has made the eyepatch

look fucking cooler than Kurt

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Russell did as snake Plissken.

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And I remember just thinking.

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he was the coolest fucking guy,

the way Kurt Russell commanded

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that role walked across the screen.

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And I understand he's, you

know, he's in the thing as well.

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And he's great, but I still think that

snake Plissken role is such an iconic

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moment, especially Gen Xers, like as a

Gen Xer, especially as a young kid, very

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impressionable at the time, snake Plissken

was the coolest motherfucker around.

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I was like, Oh, he's so cool.

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You know, cause normally your parents

are like, Oh, you're going to shoot

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your eye out kid kind of thing.

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I'd be like, Well, I

would get an eye patch.

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You're kind of like, I mean,

it works for snake bliskin.

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It's going to work for me.

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So yeah, I just think,

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Katie: need the

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hair

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though,

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Scott: well,

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Katie: You need the

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Scott: this is true.

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This is, this is very true.

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I, you know, but

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Steve: That was brutal.

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Scott: no, but it was fair.

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It's a fair assumption.

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I don't have the hair, but

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Katie: on, you guys.

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I'm

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Scott: I think, I

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Steve: Hey, over here.

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Scott: and an eyepatch.

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It does still, I mean it's not

Snake Pliskin, but it's maybe his

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Steve: I tell you what, you're

absolutely right though.

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Escape from New York.

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Scott: yep

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Steve: changed my life.

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That, as a young like I say, I got

into films quite early and, and

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Escape from New York was one of them.

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And like I said, you know, my

dad bringing movies home and,

485

you know, Escape from Alcatraz.

486

I'm sure that's no different

to Escape from New York.

487

And suddenly, I mean, that's a,

you know, even now, I mean, I watch

488

Escape from New York still now.

489

And that's a scary movie in moments.

490

There's some, that's quite a dark film.

491

Yeah, Kurt Russell just, he's, I mean,

he still is, he's just, he is a mark of

492

quality, that guy, you know, even Captain

Wrong, okay, I won't have the bad words,

493

Katie: Another eye patch.

494

He

495

Steve: there you go, see if it, if it,

496

Scott: a little looser brother, it's just

497

Steve: if it works, if it works, it works,

you know, yeah, it's always a sign of

498

like, yeah, if Kurt, if Kurt Russell's

in the movie, you know, and still now,

499

you know, you look at Bone Tomahawk,

500

Scott: Bone Tomahawk,

501

Steve: Eight, it's

502

Scott: Proof,

503

Steve: Yeah, but in your previous

one, you know, Breakdown, I mean,

504

Scott: Oh,

505

Steve: the thing, obviously, but

Breakdown, I mean, what a movie that

506

is, you know, he's, and you're right

with the everyman thing, you're

507

totally right about that, because, in

Breakdown, he's just a regular Joe,

508

Katie: Got

509

Steve: yeah?

510

yeah?

511

he's just a bit, but, when shit gets

real, he, and you know he can pull it

512

off, that's the thing, that's the clever

thing about him, he can play a meek guy,

513

you know, But when the shit hits the

fan, he can really switch it on as well.

514

And, and he's just so believable.

515

He's got that presence where

he's just so believable.

516

So yeah, like Scott escaped

from New York for me.

517

And because of our video certification

system, we had in the UK, me

518

watching the thing was, unlikely,

but somehow I managed to see it,

519

but a big trouble in little China.

520

Scott: yes, Jack Burton.

521

Katie: I

522

Steve: It's all in the reflexes.

523

So yeah, you're right.

524

I totally, I totally agree with you

that every man thing is your spot on.

525

Scott: I think Patrick was more of a,

you know, we got to see him a lot in

526

kind of like the combination roles.

527

You know, he's in the Outsiders, right?

528

So he's the older, so you're

like, Oh, he's pretty cool.

529

He's in Red Dawn.

530

You're like, Oh, but again, in an

ensemble cast, I really feel like for

531

me, And I wasn't a huge fan of, you

know, dirty dancing that, that just did

532

as a teenage boy.

533

It didn't, it didn't hit you.

534

It just didn't land.

535

However, however, point break on the

other hand, that was for me, I was

536

like, this dude's pretty fucking cool.

537

Like for me, point break was really

that breakout moment where Swayze

538

was no longer, I know he's still

in with a kind of an ensemble cast,

539

but he really stood out as being

a really great, likable villain.

540

And I don't know.

541

There's something I just love point break.

542

And I know something

543

Katie: was

544

spectacular in that.

545

Scott: and point break.

546

I mean, he acts Keanu Reeves off

the screen and no disrespect to Mr.

547

Keanu Reeves, but he's acting

everyone in that movie off the screen.

548

And I was like, man, this dude is amazing.

549

So.

550

And you're right.

551

He also then pops up and a lot of people

forget he pops up again, many years

552

down the road, but in Donnie Darko

553

Katie: Is

554

Scott: the

555

Katie: Mm-Hmm.

556

Scott: the, supposed, you know, speaker

that's trying to motivate people,

557

but also may also be a pedophile.

558

And it's kind of like a

very shocking turn for him.

559

And so, so he is very he's very

flexible in his ability to his

560

actions, especially as he got

further down the line in his career.

561

But I think for me, Kurt made the

biggest impact because of who he was.

562

had such an iconic moment in that.

563

And then for, you know, for, from that

moment on, it's anything Kurt Russell's

564

in, I mean, he's in a tank on cash.

565

We forget that we forget tango and cash.

566

Come

567

Steve: You're not going

to get much better.

568

Katie: episodes.

569

It was like my third

570

Steve: Great.

571

Scott: look at a lot of these

shows and we look back at them.

572

You go, all right.

573

At the time they were great.

574

But when I was a kid, tangled

cash was, was brilliant.

575

I fucking loved it because that was

the greatest thing I've ever seen.

576

Katie: a good, it's not a great

577

Scott: No.

578

Now when you look back at it.

579

Katie: Yeah.

580

Yeah.

581

Scott: Yeah,

582

Katie: so fun.

583

Yeah,

584

Steve: Swayze.

585

I don't know.

586

I mean, I love the Outsiders to this day.

587

I think I mainly remember

him from Red Dawn.

588

Katie: really?

589

Steve: Yeah, that was you

know, it's another John Milius.

590

It's got to be a crossover too.

591

Katie: Yep.

592

Steve: Dirty Dancing.

593

Yeah, I, I wasn't, that wasn't for me.

594

And in fact, I still haven't seen it.

595

Scott: really?

596

Katie: no,

597

you

598

Steve: I don't know what you mean,

but but I was just going to say,

599

Scott: it.

600

Like I get, I mean, I totally

get why I get the appeal.

601

I get the appeal for, for women.

602

I mean, I'm not going to be foolish.

603

It's like the appeal for Salma

Hayek and from Dusseldawn.

604

I think everyone understands why the men

enjoy Salma Hayek and from Dusseldawn.

605

I totally understand why the women enjoy.

606

Katie: What about roadhouse

607

you

608

Steve: Patrick, that's where,

that's where I was, that's, that's

609

where I was then going, actually.

610

Roadhouse is an incredible film, really.

611

I mean, it's just an action,

612

Katie: it's

613

Steve: you know, it's just

614

Katie: Like it got a lot.

615

I covered it obviously and a

bonus episode on the remake.

616

It's not gonna get me started.

617

But It wrote as it's one of those

movies that kind of has a, the

618

moniker of like, it's so bad.

619

It's good.

620

But it's actually really good.

621

Like when we covered it and broke

it down, it's a great movie.

622

Scott: got a great

623

Steve: totally delivers.

624

Totally delivers.

625

And,

626

Scott: that's

627

Steve: you know, Sam

Elliot as well, I mean.

628

Scott: that's why the remake

falls badly is there's no.

629

Supporting cast.

630

There's no amazing cast of characters

that you're like, Oh, these guys are like

631

the true Swayze's the star, but there's

so many great characters in that movie.

632

And even the villains are good villain.

633

And I,

634

Steve: absolutely.

635

You've got Ben Gazzara in Roadhouse.

636

I mean,

637

Katie: Yeah.

638

For me, that's the biggest difference and

I hate, I really dislike the CGI fights.

639

Scott: Yeah.

640

Steve: thing.

641

And also Colin McGregor's the only

one who knows what movies he's in.

642

Katie: Yeah.

643

Scott: But

644

Steve: You know,

645

Scott: he knew he couldn't play

the same character as Patrick.

646

So he had to completely go in

a completely different way.

647

He could not play it the cool fucking guy.

648

But I, I told this to Steve, the funny

thing about some of these movies from

649

the eighties and nineties is that.

650

Is a lot of these movies, it was like,

they were telling stories of these

651

undergrounds that were real, that we

didn't know about like the way they

652

talk about them as bouncers, as if

there's this underground society.

653

I know who the note, like

there's like a ranking system.

654

The number one bouncer is this guy.

655

Here's

656

Steve: I thought that was an

American thing that was totally real.

657

Scott: people are driving around

like in for still loans, like over

658

the top truck drivers driving across

America, just arm wrestling each other.

659

It's so many things that I thought,

660

Steve: are you crushing me with it?

661

Scott: quicksand here in America.

662

Like all these things we thought

were real never happened.

663

So it was very disappointing

when I got to be older,

664

Katie: Mm hmm.

665

Agreed.

666

Well, thank you guys for that.

667

One final question.

668

Do you think that Patrick

and Kurt look alike at all?

669

Steve: I do.

670

Scott: I,

671

Steve: they got that, that chiseled kinda,

672

Katie: Mm hmm.

673

Steve: It's the chin man, I got that,

674

Scott: they were younger, maybe,

maybe as they were younger, like

675

their younger roles, but now

they've gotten, well, obviously Mr.

676

Swayze

677

Steve: I was gonna say they

don't look alike now man,

678

Scott: bad, but even if Swayze

was, was alive, I do believe.

679

They definitely have

grown different looking.

680

Because Kurt Russell can pull off

a fucking facial like no one else's

681

business you know, Tom Selleck pulls

off the mustache, Kurt Russell can

682

pull off the mustache, the mutton

shops, the beard, the whole thing,

683

Kurt Russell has some of the greatest

facial hair in the history of cinema.

684

Steve: Yeah.

685

Scott: when they were younger, I could

see a Patrick Swayze, like if Patrick

686

Swayze was born now, he would be a

very convincing stand in as a new

687

snake plus can, like they were going

to remake it, which they almost did.

688

Thank God they haven't.

689

But if they were, you could go, yeah,

young Patrick Swayze could absolutely

690

100 percent give the snake plus can look.

691

Steve: Kind of that all american kind of

692

Katie: Mm hmm.

693

Steve: thing.

694

Yeah, I think they do.

695

Katie: Yeah.

696

All right.

697

Well, should we get into

the movie Uncommon Valor?

698

it was released December 16th, 1983.

699

It is an R rated movie.

700

Now, it got a 6.

701

3 on IMDb, which, you know

how I feel about that.

702

A quick description of the movie before

we get into the cast and everything.

703

those of you who, you know, maybe it's

been 30 years, I'm 40 years, maybe

704

since you've seen this movie, or if

you haven't seen it at all, 10 years

705

after his son went MIA in Vietnam, U.

706

S.

707

Marine retired Colonel Jason Rhodes,

assembles a private rescue team to find

708

Americans held in POW camps in Laos.

709

So, Ted Kochef was the director.

710

Does he sound familiar to anyone?

711

Steve: He is with me.

712

He's familiar with me

for another film as well,

713

Katie: Weekend at

714

Steve: Wake.

715

No, there's a film he made in the

early 70s called Wake and Fright, which

716

is an Australian movie, and that is

Apparent Scorsese was a fan it's about

717

an English teacher who, who goes off

the rails on a, on a sort of vacation.

718

Well, he's a teacher in Australia,

he's got a short vacation where he's

719

meant to meet his girlfriend and

he just gets progressively drunker

720

throughout the movie and falls in

with some real shady characters.

721

That was hard to see for years, but thanks

to Blu ray that's now available too.

722

But, but yeah, obviously First Blood.

723

Waking Fright came, although

it's an earlier film, that wasn't

724

even available until later,

725

Katie: Got

726

Steve: First Blood.

727

Yeah,

728

you can see why he was the choice

729

to direct Uncommon Valor.

730

Katie: immediate, like it

was a consecutive film,

731

both covering like Vietnam.

732

So

733

Steve: Yeah.

734

Katie: He also directed Winter People

starring Kurt Russell, which I haven't

735

covered yet, but I will on this season.

736

The writers I found interesting.

737

We have Joe Gaten.

738

He's known for Western TV series, Hell on

739

Scott: Mm hmm.

740

Mm

741

Katie: And then the other writer

is Wings Houser, which first of

742

all, what a great name, Wings.

743

Scott: hmm.

744

Katie: Wings Houser.

745

He's Cole Houser's

746

Scott: Yes, we've had Cole

on the last episode of season

747

one for Dropping a Bruce.

748

He was in reprisal.

749

Steve: Ooh,

750

Katie: Kohlhauser quite a bit.

751

I unfamiliar with Wingshauser

at all, but he had some like

752

TV episodes where he acted in.

753

Did you guys watch the show Roseanne

754

Scott: Yes, I've seen Roseanne Yes,

755

Katie: Well, do you remember when

they had a neighbor, his name was

756

Ty and he had two daughters and then

they like go on an RV trip together.

757

Anyway, the neighbor Ty.

758

Scott: his wings.

759

Katie: wings.

760

Yeah,

761

Steve: right.

762

Ah, well, I read a quote from

Moinshauser, because he got story credit

763

in the end, I think, not screen time.

764

Katie: correct.

765

That's correct.

766

He was also an associate producer

on this film as was John Milius.

767

It

768

Steve: Yeah,

769

Katie: y.

770

Steve: well, this is the quote

I found from Wingshauser.

771

John Milius is a scumbag

right wing bastard and I

772

can't wait for his day to die.

773

That, that son of a bitch.

774

The guy who got the

writing credit was a punk.

775

I don't think he's sold anything since.

776

I have and he's a joke.

777

So, a little bit bitter, I think.

778

Yeah.

779

Scott: they sell it

780

Steve: Yeah, so he's not

a fan of John Milius.

781

Yeah, so he, he got

screwed over, apparently.

782

Scott: big fan of John the head

of the John Willis fan club wings

783

Steve: Scumbag right wing bastard.

784

, Katie: the big name for this movie

is actually Gene Hackman who plays

785

Jason Rhodes, which I just couldn't

get behind him being named Jason.

786

Doesn't

787

Scott: right, he

788

Steve: not really a

789

Scott: Jason.

790

He

791

Steve: Not really a tough guy name.

792

Katie: No.

793

And it's like a newer name

for somebody born in what?

794

The thirties?

795

Steve: Yeah, true.

796

That's a good point, actually.

797

Yeah, good point.

798

Katie: But Gene Hackman he was, he

actually did serve in the Marine

799

Corps in real life apparently.

800

It's an ensemble cast.

801

Patrick Swayze plays Kevin Scott

in this and at this time, so 83.

802

This is very early in Patrick's career.

803

was coming off of The Outsiders and

would go on right after this to do

804

Grandview USA and Red Dawn in 1984.

805

Covered Red Dawn and Grandview

USA is yet to be covered.

806

But prior to that he was

in a lot of TV movies.

807

He was also a dancer in

the video Rosanna by Toto.

808

Did you guys know

809

Steve: I never knew that.

810

Katie: I didn't either, but I, I

wanted to bring up his very 1st

811

movie role ever was in 1979 he was

in a movie called skate town USA.

812

You guys heard of

813

Scott: I have heard of

814

Steve: Nope.

815

Nope.

816

Katie: dirty dancing on skates,

but it's why it's wild and crazy.

817

Marine McCormick is then it's got in it.

818

Scott: Scott Bale.

819

Katie: It's a wild ride and I,

I covered it and so you guys,

820

if you haven't listened to that

episode, it's, it's a fun 1.

821

Steve: I will.

822

Katie: you that.

823

Yeah.

824

Steve: I'll check it out.

825

I

826

Katie: What did you guys think

of Robert Stack as McGregor?

827

Steve: only know him from Airplane.

828

Scott: thing.

829

So, you know, from airplane, I know from

it was an unsolved mysteries over here,

830

soon as I saw it, I was like, Oh

shit, we got to solve a mystery.

831

Like something, there's a mystery here.

832

Robert's tax, but the Dallas who

disappeared, why they disappeared.

833

He was so underused.

834

I felt also in this film, but again.

835

That's probably because I'm looking

at it through the eyes of remembering

836

him through unsolved mysteries.

837

So,

838

Katie: mysteries.

839

Scott: you know, so

840

I'm like, wait a minute, why is

Robert stack not more important in

841

this film than he, than he truly is.

842

So it was weird to see him, you

know, cause when you see someone

843

post what you remember them for

and you forget, oh my God, they

844

had a life before they did this

thing, you go, oh, Robert stack.

845

I'm like, huh.

846

that voice, that voice of his, he

was perfect for unsolved mysteries.

847

I mean, he was good in this.

848

He's only unscreened,

maybe, maybe four scenes.

849

because

850

out of the blue,

851

out of the blue, Gene calls him that one

time and that's the first time you see

852

him, he tells him to keep sending the

money, because for a while you kind of go,

853

how is Gene Hackman affording this shit?

854

You know what I mean?

855

Steve: Yeah.

856

Scott: kind of like,

who's bankrolling this?

857

Like, is he selling drugs too?

858

Like, how?

859

And then you find out, you know,

kind of through that, probably

860

some of the stuff lost in editing

because, you know, back in the 80s,

861

you didn't have three hour movies.

862

You, made your two hour movie and

move the fuck onto your next project.

863

That was it.

864

So I'm sure we lost a

few things that got cut.

865

And then he's shows up again,

out of the blue, holding that

866

clipboard with the timer.

867

At one point I was like, when

did they invite him to this?

868

Sometimes he just popped up.

869

You're kind of like, that's the

unsolved mystery is when's Robert

870

Stack going to pop up in this movie?

871

Katie: mysteries in this.

872

Yeah.

873

So he he's, yeah, he's like

an oil tycoon or something.

874

Scott: Yes.

875

Katie: bankrolls this

876

Scott: It makes, it

877

Steve: Because his son is,

because his son was over.

878

Scott: Oh

879

Steve: Yes, I, I kind of liked that.

880

I thought that,

881

Scott: First,

882

Steve: right,

883

Scott: that, well, his, then Gene

884

Steve: that Gene Hackman's But,

885

Scott: and they're unable to make it to

886

Steve: but I, I thought that was

a pretty good, you know, beat.

887

Good little story beat there

that explained a lot and

888

was easier to swallow.

889

Katie: though.

890

We'll get to it later, but we only

find that out at the very end we, cause

891

this whole time, and I had a theory

about who he was, but this whole time

892

we're like, why is he so invested?

893

Or at least I was, cause we don't find out

894

Steve: No, you're right.

895

Katie: I was like, why is he so

invested in this, this, mission?

896

Scott: He

897

Steve: Yeah.

898

Scott: something about to Gene's

character about bring them home.

899

So I assumed at that moment, the

only reason he's paying for this is

900

that his son was also over there.

901

I didn't know that that was the gentleman

shot in the beginning until we get

902

to the end, like you said, but I, I

had assumed when he said that, I was

903

like, okay, one of them over there.

904

Yeah.

905

One of the four guys that apparently

they'd seen at this prison was going

906

to be Somehow his son to oh, you know,

had to be somehow, otherwise he's

907

just not bankrolling it or anything.

908

I was like, well, that may be

Robert stacks is like a grandfather.

909

Like I couldn't figure it out

because Gene Hackman's 94.

910

Now

911

he,

912

Steve: I know.

913

Scott: I saw a picture and he doesn't

look anything like himself anymore.

914

I can't believe

915

Steve: No.

916

Scott: he was 1930, but 94.

917

It's

918

Katie: I was

919

guessing at his

920

Steve: Yeah, I mean

921

Scott: that made him 50.

922

You're right.

923

It made him 53 in this film.

924

Steve: I mean, I've seen I've

925

Katie: Yeah.

926

Scott: Steve, you're

927

Steve: Oh, man!

928

Scott: Jason Rhodes!

929

Katie: You

930

Steve: No um, but Well, I saw

But I, I mean, to be clear, I

931

saw Uncommon Valor pretty much

around the time that it came out.

932

Maybe a couple of years later.

933

But I saw it a lot of times.

934

I probably, yeah, like I said

earlier, I've seen it about ten times,

935

but I haven't seen it for years.

936

That was so familiar with me when

I watched it again the other day.

937

That was like, I could, I could

remember everything about it.

938

So it must have made a

massive impression on me.

939

The man on a mission thing to a, obviously

to a kid who's like 13, probably,

940

resonates or just fills your head with

you know, I, I mean, Red Brown, the

941

Katie: Blaster.

942

Steve: I, I, that really, I loved him

in this when I, because when I watched

943

it again the other day, I was like,

this is the guy, I, he was my favorite

944

character in the movie, you know,

945

Katie: I really liked most of them.

946

Steve: Well, no, I mean, no,

I mean, you know, Fred Ward.

947

I mean, I love Fred Ward.

948

Scott: I like

949

Randall Tex Cobb, he,

950

Katie: Yeah.

951

Steve: well,

952

Scott: I

953

Steve: well, you know,

954

Scott: most of us know him,

especially when you're younger,

955

you know, him from raising Arizona.

956

And so

957

Steve: the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse.

958

Scott: And she

959

Steve: Yeah.

960

Scott: so when I saw him

again, then he's dance.

961

I'm like, I was like, this is

962

Steve: Yeah.

963

Well, that's it.

964

Well, that's the thing that, you know,

watching Uncommon Valor again reminded

965

me of when I watched Raising Arizona

and when he came on I was like, It's

966

the guy from Uncommon Valor, and I've

got, you know, give him props, he's a

967

quick fighter for a big guy, you know,

when he kicks, when he beats up Patrick

968

Swayze, I mean, he's doing all these

flying kicks and stuff, he's, sorry,

969

Scott: Spoiler alert.

970

That's the Uncommon Valor part.

971

That's good.

972

Steve: but yeah, yeah but yeah, Red

Brown was just, I thought he was awesome,

973

and you know, I didn't know who he was.

974

But I just thought he was great.

975

Scott: Does anyone know, did Adidas

get some kind of sponsorship?

976

Because

977

Steve: I've got that written.

978

Scott: they were working out like,

979

cause

980

Steve: Yeah,

981

Scott: the military and I was like, we

never, and again, no, they weren't in the

982

military at the time they were doing their

extra training was like Adidas sneakers.

983

Don't seem like the best fit to go on.

984

when we get overseas, when

they land, the only person that

985

were in them is Gene Hackman.

986

He's

987

Steve: I've got that.

988

Yeah, that's what.

989

Yeah, you beat me to it.

990

Yeah.

991

Scott: must've got, they

were really in on the game.

992

Katie: it was a major product placement

because not only did they have Adidas, all

993

of them had Adidas on but different ones

994

Scott: Yes.

995

Oh, yes.

996

Steve: Yeah.

997

Katie: And, but they were, the rest of

their outfit was the standard, like.

998

Scott: Yes.

999

That's what I was saying.

00:42:14,088 --> 00:42:14,398

I was like,

00:42:14,533 --> 00:42:15,183

Katie: wearing their boots?

00:42:15,758 --> 00:42:16,118

Steve: Yeah.

00:42:16,138 --> 00:42:18,478

Scott: they changed because it must

be some kind of clothing thing or they

00:42:18,488 --> 00:42:19,808

had like maybe separate themselves.

00:42:19,808 --> 00:42:21,868

Like they were like the the

village people, because they were

00:42:21,868 --> 00:42:23,768

in their green olive drab stuff.

00:42:23,768 --> 00:42:26,828

They normally, when they're training, they

get over there and they're dressed like

00:42:26,828 --> 00:42:31,048

fishermen or they're dressed like this

guy's a coach and I have a soccer team,

00:42:31,058 --> 00:42:32,128

like they all had a different outfit.

00:42:32,198 --> 00:42:33,838

I was like, wait a minute.

00:42:34,878 --> 00:42:36,358

We all just train in the green.

00:42:36,358 --> 00:42:37,718

So why are we not going over?

00:42:38,088 --> 00:42:39,608

It seems like that's a better camouflage.

00:42:39,608 --> 00:42:39,888

They're kind

00:42:40,098 --> 00:42:41,918

Steve: But like you, but

00:42:41,988 --> 00:42:42,378

Scott: jacket.

00:42:43,178 --> 00:42:46,098

Steve: like you say, through the

entire siege at the end, Gene Hackman's

00:42:46,108 --> 00:42:47,438

wearing, still wearing his Adidas.

00:42:47,548 --> 00:42:48,418

Scott: Adidas, baby!

00:42:49,028 --> 00:42:50,548

I kick ass when he's in Adidas, huh?

00:42:52,133 --> 00:42:54,053

Katie: Let's get through

the rest of the cast

00:42:54,153 --> 00:42:58,223

. So, Fred ward, he is so handsome in this.

00:42:58,373 --> 00:43:03,233

He is just that he is that plays

always like that kind of a role.

00:43:03,243 --> 00:43:05,403

He is that ruggedly handsome dude.

00:43:05,813 --> 00:43:09,903

He plays Wilkes in this funny

enough, he's in 2 other movies.

00:43:10,138 --> 00:43:14,458

It's covered in, in my Patrick Swayze

and Kurt Russell season Silkwood.

00:43:14,498 --> 00:43:16,298

He was in Silkwood with Kurt.

00:43:16,658 --> 00:43:18,458

Also in Swing Shift with Kurt.

00:43:19,118 --> 00:43:19,648

Breadboard.

00:43:20,188 --> 00:43:21,358

Steve: I think, I've seen Swing Shift.

00:43:21,388 --> 00:43:21,818

Is that, is

00:43:22,258 --> 00:43:22,608

Katie: Goldie

00:43:22,928 --> 00:43:23,578

Steve: Hawn in that?

00:43:23,708 --> 00:43:28,408

Scott: I feel like Fred Ward was on

the precipice of them pushing him,

00:43:28,418 --> 00:43:29,428

especially in Hollywood, to be something.

00:43:29,468 --> 00:43:31,008

Because he was in Remo Williams,

which was supposed to be

00:43:31,008 --> 00:43:32,488

like this action movie thing.

00:43:32,728 --> 00:43:33,368

Steve: I've seen that.

00:43:33,555 --> 00:43:36,523

Scott: was It felt like

he was this close, right?

00:43:36,533 --> 00:43:39,173

I feel like he was being

pushed into the Kurt Russell,

00:43:39,523 --> 00:43:40,083

Patrick Swayze,

00:43:40,453 --> 00:43:41,663

but just never made it.

00:43:41,703 --> 00:43:45,133

Like it just ends up being a really

good character actor or a guy you

00:43:45,133 --> 00:43:50,033

go, I remember him, but he never,

maybe it was because Remo Williamson

00:43:50,123 --> 00:43:55,133

wasn't successful, but it just felt

like he was in line to be that guy.

00:43:55,563 --> 00:43:57,913

And then just never made

it unfortunately for him.

00:43:57,913 --> 00:43:58,913

He's, he's the Rick

00:43:58,948 --> 00:43:59,098

Steve: He,

00:43:59,293 --> 00:44:00,533

Scott: of this piece of what we're talking

00:44:00,538 --> 00:44:01,488

Steve: he was in Tremors.

00:44:01,518 --> 00:44:03,018

He was in Tremors though, which is,

00:44:03,063 --> 00:44:04,083

Scott: he hasn't been in some good stuff.

00:44:04,113 --> 00:44:04,533

I'm just saying,

00:44:04,543 --> 00:44:05,823

Steve: No, no, I know, no.

00:44:06,473 --> 00:44:10,013

Scott: the guy as opposed to Oh my

God, I know that guy type of guy.

00:44:10,053 --> 00:44:10,293

Steve: Yeah.

00:44:10,303 --> 00:44:12,463

He's more of a character

actor type, isn't he?

00:44:12,463 --> 00:44:13,043

So, yeah.

00:44:13,353 --> 00:44:13,523

Scott: Yeah.

00:44:13,523 --> 00:44:14,033

Patrick should

00:44:14,123 --> 00:44:14,903

Steve: I love him, love him.

00:44:14,903 --> 00:44:15,763

Scott: to be on this episode.

00:44:15,773 --> 00:44:19,193

He's supposed to be Kurt Russell and

Fred Ward and not Patrick Swayze.

00:44:19,203 --> 00:44:20,083

And unfortunately

00:44:20,153 --> 00:44:20,443

Katie: no,

00:44:20,473 --> 00:44:22,203

Scott: Swayze danced his way past

00:44:22,383 --> 00:44:25,603

Steve: I can imagine Fred Ward in Dirty

Dancing, even though I haven't seen it.

00:44:25,743 --> 00:44:26,963

Scott: could, neither could Fred Ward.

00:44:27,703 --> 00:44:28,253

Katie: no.

00:44:28,463 --> 00:44:30,653

Patrick is like an amazing athlete.

00:44:30,873 --> 00:44:31,033

Yeah.

00:44:31,073 --> 00:44:31,593

Scott: Oh God.

00:44:31,593 --> 00:44:31,893

Yes.

00:44:32,073 --> 00:44:32,753

Katie: he's so good.

00:44:33,223 --> 00:44:35,963

So Red Brown, I did not know him from

00:44:36,258 --> 00:44:36,378

Scott: mm.

00:44:36,418 --> 00:44:36,678

mm.

00:44:37,633 --> 00:44:39,613

Katie: So he plays blaster

to your point, Steve.

00:44:40,053 --> 00:44:40,623

Steve: Sorry, yeah.

00:44:40,953 --> 00:44:42,963

Katie: Randall techs Cobb

00:44:43,068 --> 00:44:43,778

Scott: Mm hmm.

00:44:43,968 --> 00:44:44,058

It's

00:44:44,193 --> 00:44:45,403

Katie: the crazy one.

00:44:45,638 --> 00:44:46,308

Scott: amazing.

00:44:46,533 --> 00:44:47,143

Katie: the group.

00:44:47,543 --> 00:44:49,723

Noted that he was in Kickboxer.

00:44:50,643 --> 00:44:51,583

Steve: Yeah, yeah, you're right.

00:44:51,583 --> 00:44:53,203

Yeah, he's a, he's a, and a boxer.

00:44:53,503 --> 00:44:56,433

I think he beat Leon Spinks in

a boxing match as well, so he's

00:44:56,463 --> 00:44:57,763

Katie: actual real

00:44:57,933 --> 00:44:58,383

Steve: yeah, yeah,

00:44:58,503 --> 00:45:03,423

Katie: real life, but he plays, he

plays the gruff type, con man type

00:45:03,938 --> 00:45:04,573

Steve: yeah, yeah.

00:45:04,733 --> 00:45:05,613

Katie: Every, in everything.

00:45:06,083 --> 00:45:09,813

Did you guys recognize Harold

Sylvester from anything?

00:45:09,813 --> 00:45:13,603

He plays Johnson, one of the

helicopter pilots, the black guy.

00:45:14,543 --> 00:45:15,343

Did you recognize

00:45:15,478 --> 00:45:15,638

Scott: This

00:45:15,643 --> 00:45:16,633

Steve: A familiar face.

00:45:16,633 --> 00:45:16,963

But

00:45:17,173 --> 00:45:17,373

Scott: face.

00:45:17,413 --> 00:45:20,473

And that sounds terrible, but if a

familiar face, especially considering

00:45:20,613 --> 00:45:24,633

the timeframe we're in, so there

would be a standard, I know this is

00:45:24,633 --> 00:45:27,433

going to sound terrible, but it'd

be a standard set of like black

00:45:27,453 --> 00:45:31,843

actors that you would see traveling

00:45:31,883 --> 00:45:33,673

And, and even in the TV shows, right?

00:45:33,673 --> 00:45:34,563

Like a Mr.

00:45:34,563 --> 00:45:35,993

T's a, a unicorn.

00:45:36,063 --> 00:45:38,953

He's someone who comes out of

nowhere and rises to stardom,

00:45:38,953 --> 00:45:40,383

but there would be your standard.

00:45:40,383 --> 00:45:40,763

Okay.

00:45:40,763 --> 00:45:41,453

We're going to use.

00:45:42,133 --> 00:45:43,693

Place him in this spot.

00:45:43,973 --> 00:45:45,023

It's yeah, exactly.

00:45:45,023 --> 00:45:46,373

You're choking black guys in this film.

00:45:46,373 --> 00:45:52,443

And he filled that role, especially one

who doesn't have the air like a a Denzel

00:45:52,553 --> 00:45:54,943

came to be, or even Lawrence Fishburne.

00:45:54,943 --> 00:45:57,193

Like he, you know, those

guys wouldn't be just.

00:45:57,383 --> 00:46:00,523

Pigeonholed in because they were such

great actors, not that this gentleman

00:46:00,523 --> 00:46:04,373

wasn't, but he would have been a guy who

was like, okay, and so is not available.

00:46:04,393 --> 00:46:05,363

Who's next on the list?

00:46:05,373 --> 00:46:08,293

I know all the words coming out

sound terrible, but that was the

00:46:08,293 --> 00:46:09,883

times that they were in and he would

00:46:10,003 --> 00:46:10,753

Steve: that was the times.

00:46:10,753 --> 00:46:10,963

Yeah.

00:46:11,003 --> 00:46:11,973

Scott: person on the list.

00:46:11,983 --> 00:46:13,523

They'd be like, yeah, he'll

fit the role perfectly.

00:46:14,213 --> 00:46:14,713

Katie: He's like

00:46:14,713 --> 00:46:14,783

a

00:46:14,838 --> 00:46:14,968

Scott: We're

00:46:15,183 --> 00:46:15,603

Katie: actor.

00:46:15,603 --> 00:46:17,233

He had a ton of credits.

00:46:17,263 --> 00:46:18,123

A lot of TV.

00:46:18,123 --> 00:46:27,323

But, he played Bundy's friend

Griff in Married with Children.

00:46:27,573 --> 00:46:27,723

Steve: Wow.

00:46:28,868 --> 00:46:29,238

Scott: not.

00:46:29,258 --> 00:46:29,628

Yep.

00:46:29,793 --> 00:46:30,703

Katie: That's who he is.

00:46:32,088 --> 00:46:33,118

Scott: What a show that was too.

00:46:33,148 --> 00:46:33,808

Oh my God.

00:46:34,913 --> 00:46:35,673

Katie: Al, not Ted.

00:46:35,858 --> 00:46:36,278

Scott: I mean, sorry.

00:46:36,278 --> 00:46:36,758

Yeah, Al.

00:46:36,758 --> 00:46:37,248

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:37,508 --> 00:46:37,918

Ted.

00:46:38,408 --> 00:46:39,588

Different kind of shoe salesman.

00:46:39,933 --> 00:46:42,153

Steve: He was Ted Bundy,

Bundy's that best friend.

00:46:42,743 --> 00:46:44,333

No wonder his career didn't take off.

00:46:45,873 --> 00:46:47,293

Katie: Tim Thomerson.

00:46:47,323 --> 00:46:48,213

That's quite a name.

00:46:48,223 --> 00:46:50,963

He plays charts, the

other helicopter pilot.

00:46:51,103 --> 00:46:51,883

Steve: Part part.

00:46:51,913 --> 00:46:53,003

Katie: familiar character actor

00:46:53,238 --> 00:46:53,748

Scott: Yeah.

00:46:53,748 --> 00:46:54,428

What else has he been

00:46:54,443 --> 00:46:58,043

Steve: He used to be a, he used to be a,

he used to be a standup comedian as well.

00:46:58,043 --> 00:47:02,283

I think I, I read a bit about him

before he was, I love that guy.

00:47:02,343 --> 00:47:07,233

He's, there's a eighties

like B movie called Trances.

00:47:08,123 --> 00:47:13,103

where he played a detective who has to

go, I think he has to go forward in time.

00:47:13,573 --> 00:47:14,593

to solve a crime.

00:47:15,133 --> 00:47:18,123

And I used to, I like, that was like

a familiar video rental in the 80's.

00:47:18,143 --> 00:47:22,983

I think the tagline was, his

name is Jack Death in trances.

00:47:22,983 --> 00:47:28,563

And, and the tagline was, Jack Death is

back and he's never even been here before.

00:47:29,113 --> 00:47:29,513

I just remember,

00:47:31,013 --> 00:47:32,033

Katie: You do a good movie guy

00:47:32,043 --> 00:47:32,343

voice.

00:47:32,448 --> 00:47:34,338

Steve: But no, so I love that guy.

00:47:34,338 --> 00:47:37,058

And, and that's probably, I saw

him first and definitely saw

00:47:37,058 --> 00:47:38,728

him first in Uncommon Valor.

00:47:38,808 --> 00:47:39,858

Scott: Can't seem to pinpoint it.

00:47:40,198 --> 00:47:40,988

He's one of

00:47:41,023 --> 00:47:43,433

Steve: Bit of a Thomas

Jane of his time, Scott.

00:47:43,578 --> 00:47:44,248

Scott: a Thomas

00:47:44,633 --> 00:47:46,933

Steve: One of my, one

of my favorites, sorry.

00:47:46,968 --> 00:47:48,158

Katie: yes, this sounds familiar.

00:47:48,158 --> 00:47:49,538

I don't know where I heard that from.

00:47:49,728 --> 00:47:51,968

Scott: You know, he's, you know

why I think he was in a bunch of

00:47:51,968 --> 00:47:53,518

Hawaii, five, Oh, Mark and Mindy.

00:47:53,518 --> 00:47:55,388

He did a lot of eighties TV shows as

00:47:55,613 --> 00:47:56,963

Steve: Ah, right, okay.

00:47:57,798 --> 00:47:58,198

Scott: especially

00:47:58,353 --> 00:47:59,913

Steve: I only saw Jack dead.

00:47:59,913 --> 00:48:00,403

That's

00:48:00,648 --> 00:48:03,088

Scott: see him in these shows and

you go, oh yeah, that guy, but

00:48:03,358 --> 00:48:03,858

Katie: Okay.

00:48:03,898 --> 00:48:04,668

Scott: just that guy

00:48:05,438 --> 00:48:06,798

00:48:08,538 --> 00:48:10,108

Oh, he's also an iron Eagle.

00:48:10,118 --> 00:48:10,848

That's another one.

00:48:11,138 --> 00:48:12,278

Steve: Top Gun rip off, right?

00:48:12,358 --> 00:48:14,618

Oh,

00:48:14,633 --> 00:48:16,063

Scott: a Top Gun rip off, basically.

00:48:16,163 --> 00:48:18,293

Steve: Actually, have

you ever seen Near Dark?

00:48:19,143 --> 00:48:20,683

The vampire movie?

00:48:21,393 --> 00:48:24,113

Yeah no, sorry, no, he's

in that, he plays the

00:48:24,153 --> 00:48:24,373

Katie: Okay.

00:48:24,643 --> 00:48:25,923

Steve: Dad of the League character.

00:48:25,923 --> 00:48:27,933

It's like a vampire love story thing.

00:48:28,363 --> 00:48:31,733

That's got a bit of a cult following,

but he's been, you know, he's one of them

00:48:31,733 --> 00:48:36,783

guys, he just crops up in things and, you

know, he's got that, that vibe about him.

00:48:37,943 --> 00:48:41,113

Katie: Quan He Lim

hopefully I am pronouncing

00:48:41,113 --> 00:48:41,633

that correctly.

00:48:43,173 --> 00:48:44,433

He plays Jiang.

00:48:44,643 --> 00:48:45,343

Jiang.

00:48:45,913 --> 00:48:48,183

He, and he's great in this.

00:48:48,213 --> 00:48:48,953

I liked him a lot.

00:48:48,963 --> 00:48:50,233

I liked this character.

00:48:50,583 --> 00:48:55,263

He's most known, apparently, for

playing Lieutenant Tanaka on Magnum P.

00:48:55,263 --> 00:48:55,693

I.

00:48:55,798 --> 00:48:56,968

Scott: Oh, Jesus.

00:48:57,903 --> 00:48:58,373

Steve: Right.

00:48:58,923 --> 00:49:02,403

Katie: Yeah, then Kelly

Junkerman plays McGregor's kid.

00:49:02,723 --> 00:49:07,203

Todd Allen plays Rhodes's,

Jason Rhodes's kid, Frank.

00:49:07,213 --> 00:49:12,803

That's, he's the whole reason for this

mission is to, to save Jason's son.

00:49:12,833 --> 00:49:14,703

I feel like their names

need to be swapped.

00:49:14,743 --> 00:49:16,933

I feel like and Jason,

00:49:17,353 --> 00:49:17,843

Steve: Yeah.

00:49:17,963 --> 00:49:18,393

Yeah.

00:49:18,543 --> 00:49:19,323

Katie: Jason's the young guy

00:49:19,473 --> 00:49:19,773

Steve: Yeah.

00:49:19,773 --> 00:49:20,003

Yeah.

00:49:20,003 --> 00:49:20,583

You're right.

00:49:20,631 --> 00:49:21,898

Scott: heh heh heh heh heh.

00:49:21,898 --> 00:49:22,405

Mm hmm.

00:49:22,405 --> 00:49:22,658

Django

00:49:23,523 --> 00:49:25,653

Katie: Todd Allen was also in Swing Shift.