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Live action Spider-man vs Animated Spider-man
Episode 526th July 2023 • Film Center News • Derek Johnson II and Nicholas Killian
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Live action Spider-man vs Animated Spiderman: With the success of “Across the Spider-verse”, it appears that Sony has another Spider-man franchise on its hands. How will this one stack up against the others? Will it succeed or end in another flop and reboot? Listen in and find out!

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DJ:

Hey everyone.

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Welcome to Film Center.

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My name is Derek Johnson.

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Ii.

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And I'm here with my co-host Nicholas Killian.

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Nicholas, what are we getting into today?

Nicholas:

So today we're getting into Spider-Man,

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talking about Spider-Man.

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Nicholas and I recently saw today is the 4th of June 20 2020.

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Spider verse.

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Yes.

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We just saw across the spider verse.

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Literally earlier this morning was a late Yeah,

Nicholas:

We went at 11:00 PM

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Yes.

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And it's been doing really well.

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Its numbers have been really well.

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It's only out, been out for I think about 24 hours

Nicholas:

and it's it came out on the second and it's the

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fourth.

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It's the fourth, so then about 48 hours in.

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And it looks something like it's going, it's crossed over 120.

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Mill.

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Yeah.

Nicholas:

It debuted at 51 million which edged out Guardians

Nicholas:

of the Galaxy Volume three.

Nicholas:

Yes.

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Although two favorite guardians of the Galaxy, volume three has been out longer.

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And on top of the fact that worldwide is looking at 208 million

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and both of these numbers are coming out from the numbers deck.

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So it's looking like it's going to be quite successful,

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just like his predecessor.

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Although, to be fair, I argue that it's gonna be more, much more

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successful than his predecessor.

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It's predecessor only having $375 million.

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That was

Nicholas:

worldwide.

Nicholas:

Worldwide, exactly.

Nicholas:

And just in the two days it's been out, it's already had 120 million.

Nicholas:

You're right.

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Mind you, the budget for it was a hundred.

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So it's already made back its initial budget, quote, unquote, without the

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marketing, because everyone knows that marketing isn't added as that added on

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to that hundred a hundred million budget.

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Nicholas, what are we really looking at when it comes to how

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these animated Spider-Man look compared to the live action one?

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Do you think there is room to not really room to grow because we're

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not gonna be able to spoil this for the movie in this episode?

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No spoilers.

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'cause like I said, it just came out however.

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How did this live action animated Spider-Man look towards the live

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action ones and is there something else that people should be

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copying for their own franchises?

Nicholas:

Yeah, so the thing is the Live Action Spider-Man are more successful.

Nicholas:

And the reason why they're more successful is the top three grossing

Nicholas:

live spidermans are Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

No Way.

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Home.

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Yes.

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Which is with Tom Holland.

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Tom Holland one point,

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and Andrew Garfield.

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And and to McGuire with all three

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Spiderman.

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With the No Way Home is.

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1.9 billion.

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Spider-Man, far from home was 1.1 billion.

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And Spider-Man three, which was the Toby McGuire edition

Nicholas:

over 189 million worldwide.

Nicholas:

In contrast.

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You

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mean the opening days, you mean?

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No, this is total.

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It made a hundred.

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Over a hundred million.

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What did you say?

Nicholas:

No, in total.

Nicholas:

Spider-Man three with over 890 million worldwide.

Nicholas:

Okay.

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Yeah.

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And then the highest grossing animated Spider-Man film, spider-Man

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into the Spider Verse, which came out in 2018, earned over 375

Nicholas:

million like we just talked about.

Nicholas:

Despite all its critical acclaim, it, yeah.

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It only made.

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And that was 375 million worldwide.

Nicholas:

That's not just domestic box

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office.

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Yeah.

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You know what?

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Looking at the numbers, comparing that one to the or really any of the

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trilogies, it doesn't make as much.

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Why do you think that is?

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Do you think it's because of, because my personal hype.

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I can tell you what I think.

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I really think that This is because there's not as much star

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power behind the animated one.

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And then also it's competing with the M C U.

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You gotta think about it like this.

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When Toby McGuire Spider-Man came out, there was no other superhero competition.

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There was the X-Men.

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The X-Men was coming out, but it wasn't in direct competition with Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

No.

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It was something entirely

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different.

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Spider-Man, you're talking about the third highest grossing movie of 2002.

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At the time when it came out, it was the highest grossing superhero film.

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It was the sixth highest grossing of all time at its release.

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It was the first film to reach over a hundred million

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dollars in a single weekend.

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And this is, you could say, oh inflation has something to do with it, right?

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You're making more money as more money becomes.

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Less expensive, you know what I'm saying?

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Like with inflation.

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So possibly if you accounted for inflation, maybe things like Star Wars

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or Lord of the Rings might do better.

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At the time this, it was the first failing to reach a hundred million

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dollars in a single weekend.

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We're talking about making over $821 million, right?

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So it was really huge.

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But it was huge because it stands stood alone, right?

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True.

Nicholas:

X-Men was a team superhero, and Spider-Man was the first like solo.

Nicholas:

Solo superhero movie,

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the X-Men.

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I think X-Men came out after it, right?

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I think so,

Nicholas:

yeah.

Nicholas:

But then you have to look at the first Spider-Man trilogy.

Nicholas:

The live action success of it, directed by Sam Ramey from 2002 to

Nicholas:

2007 had a combined worldwide box office gross of over $2.5 billion.

Nicholas:

The first film in 2002 grossed over $820 million against 139.

Nicholas:

Million dollar budget.

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And these numbers, these are coming from the numbers to account, right?

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W but it was also like you have celebrities are in this Will the foe.

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You have James Franco.

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James Franco, christian Dents.

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Sam Remey himself to McGuire.

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You are stat padding, star padding this movie.

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Spider-Man entered the spider verse.

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The first one, the first anime was not pitched that way.

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No.

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With all these celebrities in it now without spoiling anything Nicholas

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and I did see across the Spider Verse, which is the second animated one.

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And it does have more celebrities in it.

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Yeah, a considerably amount.

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However, in their marketing, they did not push for these celebrities to be there.

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I would argue after seeing it, it's because of the story.

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They were more like surprises, like good surprises, but still.

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They, because they couldn't use it for their marketing.

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It was, it's not gonna do as well.

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I think that the success of it so far is really due to how good the first

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movie was compared to Spider-Man with the first one took in choir,

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where it's like from the jump people knew okay, this is gonna be great.

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Looking at the trailer, From 2002, comparing it to

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other stuff that was there.

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It just occurred to superhero movies.

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Excuse me.

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Before then.

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It's no

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comparison.

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Leagues beyond.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Leagues, leagues beyond.

Nicholas:

That's the thing that you also have to understand is also you can't

Nicholas:

ignore the elephant in the room.

Nicholas:

Spider-Man live action movies have more, have had more time.

Nicholas:

Yeah they've had more time.

Nicholas:

And the thing is the old movies are now nostalgic.

DJ:

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think even if you look at them from their own time period, it's to be fair,

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the amazing Spider-Man that some people claim that they don't like whether you

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like those movies or not, we're not gonna break, we're not gonna debate the

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critic side of the Spiderman movies.

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We're not gonna do that here.

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No.

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But they made a lot of

Nicholas:

money.

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They made

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a ton of money.

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They made a lot of money.

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Okay, the second Spider-Man movie.

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Spider-Man two with McGuire making over 790 million.

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Right?

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Third one, making over 890 million with Andrew Garfield, the first, the Amazing

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Spider-Man made over 750 million.

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It might not be as much as the it's predecessor you, right?

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But you're still talking leagues above 3 75.

Nicholas:

And then you also have to, you also have to say what

Nicholas:

the budget was against, right?

Nicholas:

They made all this money Spider-Man two, like you just said, with a

Nicholas:

$2 million, $200 million budget and Spider-Man three with a $250

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million budget, and it made all of

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that money.

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Yeah, to be fair though, the amazing Spider-Man, not the the animated

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Spider-Man, its budget wasn't as big,

Nicholas:

wasn't it like 90

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million.

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Yeah, it was just shy over a hundred for the animated one.

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Right now they have not released the official budget for Spider-Man two

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spider-Man across the Spider verse, the second animated Spider-Man movie.

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Probably 'cause it's so fresh still.

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However, do you think it would've been what, twice as

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budget you think it would've?

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First of all, we already know why the budget was so much higher.

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They were doing live action.

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The budget's gonna be higher, however, I don't even think a higher budget would

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have done anything to improve the movie.

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Let's get real here.

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The first into the Spider Verse anime movie is pretty good.

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No it's great.

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It changed animated movies.

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A that came therefore afterwards.

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You gotta take a look at Puss, some boots.

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Puss boots.

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It's a di like the animation is uncannily similar to, into

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the into the Spider verse.

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Yeah.

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But then is it worth it?

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To make these smaller, animated movies and not get this money

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from the live action one.

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Like, how much did the Tom Holland make?

Nicholas:

The Tom Holland one no Way Home, the

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first Tom Holland movie, homecoming over 870 million.

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And then the, and the other two made over a billion dollars.

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One of which, almost making $2 billion.

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Yeah.

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Now, to be fair, there's some argument there where it's okay, he was using

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the star power of Robert Downey Jr.

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And the star power of the giant M C U.

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Those are fair arguments, and especially with the one that almost made $2 billion.

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You have literally all three Spider-Man in it, right?

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Yeah.

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But it's like they make so much more money.

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Is this, it just makes me afraid that people are, that

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studios rather are not going to.

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Push for animation as much, and we cannot say that it's an animation thing.

DJ:

There have been plenty of animated movies that have done really well.

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Yeah, they have definitely made more than this.

Nicholas:

I think though that the live action ones make a more cultural

Nicholas:

impact than the animated ones.

Nicholas:

Why?

Nicholas:

Culture of, they're people, it's an, it's not animated.

DJ:

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So they might relate to them more.

Nicholas:

It's not animated.

Nicholas:

Plus, whenever you have an animated film, you have to rely really

Nicholas:

heavily on the voice acting.

Nicholas:

That's true.

Nicholas:

That's true.

Nicholas:

If so, for example, if you have somebody in a live action Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

You can rely on a multitude of different factors than just.

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Voiceover acting,

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The only thing you, two things you can rely on is that and the animation,

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but it's like there are not a lot of movies that are animated to a degree

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where people are going to, it's gonna read as well as just natural body movement.

DJ:

Once again, I think this is probably due to its marketing.

DJ:

I don't know.

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What do you

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think?

Nicholas:

I think it's, I think it's due to its marketing.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

I think the thing is the, this being the second Spider-Man animated movie,

Nicholas:

even though it's done really well for itself, I think it's still,

Nicholas:

I think studios are still a bit scared to do these types of movies.

Nicholas:

Even though it's proven that it's done really well, they're still a bit scared.

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And

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it's crazy that it's, it's Spider-Man, right?

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You know what I'm saying?

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Why?

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I feel like the marketing push for this second one was not as

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hard as it was for the first one.

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No.

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And it's like why?

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And what is it going to take for those audiences to pay and not pay the suit?

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'cause that's what it's done, comes down to the money.

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You know what I'm saying?

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That's what it all calms down to.

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It always comes down to the money.

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The studios aren't pulling it from thin air.

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They're pulling it from people's pockets.

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So what's it gonna take for this animated Spider-Man movie to

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even meet the live action ones?

Nicholas:

I don't think that's possible.

Nicholas:

I don't think that's possible.

Nicholas:

Because you have nostalgia, right?

Nicholas:

You have nostalgia.

Nicholas:

You have I'm

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talking about, I'm talking about like in the future, right?

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For when it's making new movies.

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Because there was no nostalgia when these movies were coming out.

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There's nostalgia for someone, McGuire one.

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But, and I guess so I guess it just started, but then that same nostalgia

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for the previous character would somehow need to work for this new animated one.

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And the nostalgia didn't work there.

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You know what I'm saying?

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So it's I just really afraid that the studios will look, take a look at

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this and say, okay, it's not worth it.

Nicholas:

You also have to the thing you also have to look at is

Nicholas:

what was happening in the world while these movies were also coming

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out.

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Which franchise you talking about?

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Toby?

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You talking about Toby and Toby McGuire movies?

Nicholas:

Or Tom?

Nicholas:

The Toby McGuire movies.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

What's happening in the world right now?

Nicholas:

Everything is from what If you could tell everything.

Nicholas:

If you were to believe something, everything's up in flames right now.

Nicholas:

Oh, with inflation.

Nicholas:

With inflation, with everything else.

Nicholas:

And to look back on not only great Superman spider-Man movies, you also

Nicholas:

think of what a time was like back

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then.

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Yo, that's a year after nine 11.

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Not a even a year afterwards.

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Not even a full year.

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After nine 11 this movie came out.

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I remember seeing this movie.

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With my dad in the summer of 2002.

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And yeah, this was like the war on terror.

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'cause it because nine 11 you had to still, nine 11 people

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will still talk about that.

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So and I don't think that will ever will stop.

DJ:

So it's but it was so much more fresh back then.

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That was when it happened and that's when people were like, you were seeing

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people still on the news every day.

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They were still picking up the pieces and those shots.

DJ:

You look at the marketing for it of Spider-Man on the American Flagpole.

Nicholas:

So you, there are a lot of X factors that you have to count on

Nicholas:

and then also a lot of people, even we've talked about this, spider-Man

Nicholas:

two being the greatest Spider-Man movie, live action movie there

DJ:

is.

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Exactly.

DJ:

I, yeah, I fully believe

Nicholas:

that.

Nicholas:

And then no way home.

Nicholas:

Is a close second.

DJ:

And then, no way home.

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If you were, 'cause they pulled out

Nicholas:

literally all the

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stops, right?

DJ:

They got all the Spider-Man back together.

DJ:

Tons of villains are in it.

DJ:

I think that it broke the three villain cursed the Spider-Man hat

DJ:

was like, oh, they revamped it after.

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Which is weird because looking back at these numbers it's shocking

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to think that studios thought that we had to shut it down.

DJ:

Like you just made $894 million.

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Regardless of what people are saying about the, you just made tons of money.

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I guarantee you.

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If they made, shoot, if they, Andrew Garfield movie was happening in

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currently, these movies are coming out currently instead of animated ones.

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They would continue to make them.

DJ:

Yeah, they made enough money back for it to warrant.

DJ:

Nowadays, I think it, I think you're right.

DJ:

You have to think about the time in which they

Nicholas:

came out.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

The time in which they came out.

Nicholas:

What was happening around it.

Nicholas:

When it came out, I, to, to be fair, I had not seen any of the

Nicholas:

Spider-Man movies besides the, to me.

Nicholas:

McGuire movies prior to us filming this podcast.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

So the thing was, is when I had watched the Andrew Garfield ones,

Nicholas:

I was like, these movies are great.

Nicholas:

These movies are great.

Nicholas:

They made tons of money.

Nicholas:

What was the issue and what was the problem?

Nicholas:

And you were telling me, you were like basically it wasn't

Nicholas:

Toby McGuire Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

Crazy.

Nicholas:

It's

DJ:

basically that's the main, I mean there are some, there are a couple script

DJ:

issues in it, but like almost every movie has some script issues, right?

DJ:

That's just how movies work.

DJ:

There's always someone who has some opinion of, oh, this should have

DJ:

happened, this should have happened, this should have happened in any movie.

DJ:

However, yeah, most people are still really nostalgic for time of wire.

DJ:

And then also for the first, the Amazing Spider-Man, they made the move of using

DJ:

the lizard, which was originally pitched to be to McGuire's fourth villain.

DJ:

And not fourth villain, but in the fourth movie you would be fighting that

Nicholas:

character.

Nicholas:

Yeah, exactly.

Nicholas:

So there, there are so many things that you can think of as to why

Nicholas:

the live action Spider-Man movies are better and the quantifiable

Nicholas:

metric of being more successful.

Nicholas:

Because being better is objective in a creative business where, it's.

Nicholas:

It's just your

DJ:

word over mine.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Based on pen and a whole bunch of he said, she said stuff.

Nicholas:

So the thing is you have to look at opening

Nicholas:

weekends, so Spider-Man, no way.

Nicholas:

Home grossed a total of $260 million, which is the second biggest opening

Nicholas:

weekend of all time behind Avengers.

Nicholas:

And ahead of Infinity War.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

DJ:

But it had so much going for it, you know what I'm saying?

DJ:

Like

Nicholas:

vers versus the first animated Spider-Man movie.

Nicholas:

Which opening weekend made 56 million.

DJ:

But you're looking at, a movie that's not as backed as that one is.

DJ:

Like True.

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And it's, once again, the Tom Holland movies are using the power of the M c

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U, the largest movie franchise of all time to go ahead and make these movies

DJ:

on top of the fact that once again, they have Disney money backing them.

DJ:

Their marketing campaigns are way bigger than Sony's was for into the Spider verse.

Nicholas:

That's another, that would be another reason why I

Nicholas:

would cast my vote for more for the live action Spidermans is cross

DJ:

Universe.

DJ:

So do you think that they should be making the live action if they want, like you

DJ:

think it should be making live action?

DJ:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

I'm not saying that you should stop making animated.

Nicholas:

Spider-Man movies, but it's Amazon or Apple right now.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

So they've opened up streaming services, correct?

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Alright, now.

Nicholas:

They don't really have to worry about making money on their shows.

Nicholas:

Obviously they do wanna make money on their shows or else why would

Nicholas:

they make them, but their main thing is not working on those shows.

Nicholas:

Their main thing is selling iPhones and selling

DJ:

product.

DJ:

Really, the shows are an advertisement for the product.

DJ:

The actual

Nicholas:

products.

Nicholas:

Yes.

Nicholas:

So that's what I think, that's what I think.

Nicholas:

The animated Spider-Man should be,

DJ:

is, it should be an advertisement for the larger Spiderman Act.

Nicholas:

Live action ones.

Nicholas:

Live action ones.

Nicholas:

Oh because the thing is you're not gonna be able to compete

Nicholas:

with 20 years of buildup.

Nicholas:

You're just not gonna be able to do that.

DJ:

And then also think about it like this.

DJ:

When's the last time we, I actually can't even really think of a.

DJ:

The last animated Spider-Man movie that came out theatrically.

DJ:

I don't believe it's happened in this, it was not happening in this capacity.

DJ:

No.

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Yeah, no.

Nicholas:

Plus there's so much more you can do with live action

Nicholas:

that you can't do with anime.

Nicholas:

Now, with animated, you're not constrained by anything.

Nicholas:

You're only constrained by what you can imagine.

DJ:

And it's wild to think that, the animated Spiderman movie was

DJ:

it did wonders for animation.

DJ:

It made breakthroughs in animation.

DJ:

The second one, it said previously, Nicholas and I saw it last

DJ:

night and we enjoyed the movie.

DJ:

We enjoyed the the second animated Spiderman movie There is they take,

DJ:

I would say they, they take what they did in the first movie and

DJ:

animation wise really built on it.

DJ:

There are some new animation styles in this movie, again,

DJ:

that kind of pushes it farther.

DJ:

And they really they really, had the space to do that, right?

DJ:

They're innovating the industry that way.

DJ:

That's not I would argue that live action does not do the same thing.

DJ:

Ah, I

Nicholas:

would argue against that because you talk about the evolution

Nicholas:

of visual and c g I effects.

Nicholas:

That's Spider-Man

DJ:

right there for you.

DJ:

Yeah, but they're, yeah, but they're, if you're talking the

DJ:

first Spider-Man trilogy or Yeah.

DJ:

The first Spider-Man trilogy.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

When I'm talking about in current modern times, they're getting very

DJ:

cookie cutter with how they look.

DJ:

C g I wise.

DJ:

If they gonna make a new, it would've

Nicholas:

never happened though, if had it not been for the first

DJ:

trilogy.

DJ:

Yeah.

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But I'm talking about right now.

DJ:

Okay.

DJ:

The live action with Spider-Man right now versus the animated ones?

DJ:

The animated ones are making more headways.

DJ:

Oh, absolutely.

DJ:

And making more innovations compared to the newer stuff.

DJ:

Yeah, the newer stuff is literally just I would say that I really

DJ:

actually did no way home.

DJ:

But as far as the M C U goes, I mean it's starting to get very,

DJ:

they're starting to get more laxed.

DJ:

They're not gotta try as hard 'cause they know they're gonna go see you.

DJ:

They're gonna go see it.

DJ:

I feel like.

DJ:

This be real here.

DJ:

The real reason why No way.

DJ:

Home Whistle Barber was Stone McGuire.

DJ:

People heard Tony McGuire, Spiderman was coming back.

DJ:

And if you are a fan of Spider-Man in, if you know who Spider-Man is, you were

DJ:

like, I'm gonna go see this, right?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Come here to the mates Spider-Man one where it's oh cool.

DJ:

This is like a, it almost feels like a smaller ripoff compared to

DJ:

the regular M C U, even though it's not even though it's own thing.

DJ:

I don't know why they didn't give it the same, love and treatment that

DJ:

the others live action ones had.

DJ:

Do you think if it had that same love and treatment it would do better?

DJ:

Possibly.

DJ:

Obviously it was made for one from with care, but like they didn't

DJ:

get these bigger stars to be in it.

Nicholas:

Possibly, but also at the same time, you have to look at the

Nicholas:

demographic that's coming to the movies.

Nicholas:

So the thing is the demographic back then when the first Spider-Man

Nicholas:

came out those people now have kids.

Nicholas:

So what they're doing is

DJ:

their, then that, that should be even a bigger reason why the

DJ:

animated ones should do better.

DJ:

'cause it's literally animated.

DJ:

It's four children and

Nicholas:

yet it doesn't.

Nicholas:

And yet it doesn't.

DJ:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Facts and facts.

Nicholas:

That's just a thing, right?

Nicholas:

You say that hey, it's animated, it's a family film.

Nicholas:

Listen, the one that just came out's doing really well for

DJ:

itself, right?

DJ:

It's not like the movies are doing bad, but they're just not doing

DJ:

as well as the live action stuff.

DJ:

So it's I'm trying to figure out what does the missing piece here,

DJ:

to me personally, it feels like the star power in the marketing is

DJ:

what are the two missing pieces?

DJ:

I actually don't even know what other things that they're

DJ:

missing besides those two things.

Nicholas:

The thing is it's animated.

Nicholas:

Okay.

Nicholas:

That's when you have live action.

Nicholas:

It's the realism is more, the immersion is more, yeah.

Nicholas:

The

DJ:

I'm unable to buy it as much,

Nicholas:

Your suspension of disbelief is harder.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Yeah, that's true.

Nicholas:

Plus you have time.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

You're not gonna beat the time, you're not gonna beat the nostalgia.

Nicholas:

You're not gonna beat the fact that these people that saw these

Nicholas:

movies when they were kids, now they're seeing it with their kids.

Nicholas:

It's the same thing with Star Wars, right?

Nicholas:

Star Wars has what, three or four generations?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

But you can't argue that any movies can't make that hand of money.

DJ:

Look at an Nemo Finding Nemo made over, made them a Lion King.

DJ:

There's so many plethora of movies.

Nicholas:

But we're talking about, we're not talking about

Nicholas:

the, we're talking about animated

DJ:

Spider-Man.

DJ:

That's fair.

DJ:

But it's okay, so then what do they do?

DJ:

No, what did those movies do that this movie didn't?

DJ:

This movie doesn't have, once again, it's a star power.

DJ:

And also yeah, their marketing campaigns, which is bigger.

DJ:

I don't know what is going on recently.

DJ:

This, there's this recent trend in movies, to just have.

DJ:

So like the marketing, that's what they're cutting the budgets, it seems to

DJ:

be like in their marketing department.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

And I know what people are gonna say.

DJ:

They're like, oh, I saw it everywhere.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Digital marketing is not something that's, the studios are as good with compared.

DJ:

They're good with paying for commercial spots, so you're

DJ:

gonna see it on YouTube ads.

DJ:

But as far as like real marketing, they're not.

DJ:

The best at it just yet, but even still, it doesn't seem like they're

DJ:

pushing as hard for marketing as they were like five years ago.

Nicholas:

Also, you have to look at the times that we're in right now, right?

Nicholas:

So you have to sit there.

Nicholas:

You can't really make that case for the 2008 animated Spider-Man, but

Nicholas:

you definitely can make the case for the Spider-Man that just came out.

Nicholas:

Look at the inflation.

Nicholas:

Look at how everything's going.

Nicholas:

Inflation is the

DJ:

exact reason why it should be doing better across the board when there is

DJ:

inflation, when there is a recession, when any of those things, yeah, it's

DJ:

not when all those things happen.

DJ:

Art does well, right?

DJ:

So it's like clearly there is something missing because it's not right.

DJ:

So you can't say, oh, it's the inflation's fault.

DJ:

You can't say, oh, it's the, those are usually when art

DJ:

makes movies do really well,

Nicholas:

and yet they're doing

DJ:

the opposite.

DJ:

So what else could be possibly missing besides star power and better marketing?

DJ:

Because I tell you, I'll tell you this right now, they might just

DJ:

after supposedly there's supposed to be a third movie, We don't know,

DJ:

but there's supposed to be a third movie that's supposed to come out.

DJ:

What's gonna, this second one's doing really well, so I'm not gonna act like

DJ:

they might not they're not gonna get it.

DJ:

If it keeps going at the pace is going, it's gonna make plenty of money.

DJ:

But looking at what happened to Andrew Garfield's, him and the first and

DJ:

second amazing Spiderman, it wasn't that they weren't making money, it's just

DJ:

that they weren't making enough money.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

I, and they might get the same feeling about the animated

DJ:

Spider-Man, which I don't want it to happen to them, basically.

DJ:

But

Nicholas:

also we were talking about the fact that it was too

Nicholas:

close to the original Spider-Man.

DJ:

That's true.

DJ:

That's true.

DJ:

It was very close in release to the original not close as in the

DJ:

next year or nothing like that.

DJ:

But like there, it's just so hard to follow up that first strategy to be

Nicholas:

fair.

Nicholas:

And then the thing is it is, We haven't talked about this, but the

Nicholas:

fact that it's animated, animated is geared towards children.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

You have live action.

Nicholas:

You can gear it towards

DJ:

everybody.

DJ:

Isn't that yeah, that's true.

DJ:

That's true.

DJ:

Adults are more likely to go see live action than they

DJ:

are gonna see animated films.

DJ:

Unless it's something, that's like star pack things with.

DJ:

Star power, which they didn't do that's this has been film center and our

DJ:

comparison to live action and animated.

DJ:

Nicholas, what's your verdict?

DJ:

Should they do a live action Miles Morales movie?

Nicholas:

Yes.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

DJ:

Yes.

DJ:

It's such a long pause.

DJ:

The thing is because based on the numbers, we just looked at the numbers,

Nicholas:

man, based on the numbers.

Nicholas:

Also at the same time you have the experience.

Nicholas:

You've been making live action, Spider-Man movies for forever.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

You already know how to do it.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

Why not make a live action Miles Morales movie?

Nicholas:

You already got Donald Glover.

DJ:

Yeah, and there are already some people like who there are some people

DJ:

already speculating that it might happen, but to be fair, at the end of No Way

DJ:

home there was like little venom symbio.

DJ:

So that I think that, alright, I would rather see Tom Holland Venom, then

DJ:

a miles, and then a movie with him and Miles Morales just because of.

DJ:

Venom's just a better story.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

There's so much more that you could do with Venom than

DJ:

you can with Miles Morales.

DJ:

Especially because Miles Morales is supposed to have a similar backstory

DJ:

to Tom Holland's, like Tom Holland, spider-Man is, was basically based

DJ:

off the Miles Morales's backstory from the comic book, and then it was kinda

DJ:

like mixed in a little bit with yeah.

DJ:

His own little flare.

DJ:

So it's I don't really think.

DJ:

I think that they should continue with the Venom thing.

DJ:

I don't really, I don't know what they're gonna do.

DJ:

'cause to be fair, Tom Holland is young looking.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

He's not, he's young looking.

DJ:

I like, if you standing him next to a middle schooler, he is not gonna

DJ:

look like he's the older mentor.

DJ:

He's gonna look like that's his friend or something.

Nicholas:

But they were, which is true.

Nicholas:

And the way that I could corroborate that was whenever Tom Holland

Nicholas:

was filming for his noway home, he actually went to like a.

Nicholas:

Very high performing high school.

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

And to, because he had told Mar Marvel.

Nicholas:

Hey maybe I should, go to one of these high schools if

DJ:

what's crazy.

DJ:

He is yeah, I haven't been to high school before.

DJ:

I said this might be fun

Nicholas:

to try.

Nicholas:

And he wasn't even like suggesting, and Marvel was like yeah let's get you in.

Nicholas:

And so he went there for a few days

DJ:

and days.

DJ:

That's how you experienced high school in 72 hours.

Nicholas:

Exactly.

Nicholas:

And so the guy, there was a student that was like, Hey man

Nicholas:

You're like a mystery here.

Nicholas:

Nobody knows really much about this.

Nicholas:

You kinda just

DJ:

showed up.

DJ:

How

Nicholas:

did you get here?

Nicholas:

And he was like, listen I'm just going to tell you like, like I'm Spider-Man.

Nicholas:

That's why I'm here.

Nicholas:

And he was like, dude, you're crazy man.

Nicholas:

And then just

DJ:

Yeah, this guy's weird.

DJ:

Yeah, this

Nicholas:

guy thinks he's Spider-Man

DJ:

link.

DJ:

That's so weird, right?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

But yeah, and then he turns out he, he is Spider-Man.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Could you imagine being that guy, you're like, like you're not Spider-Man, and

DJ:

then you see him in the movie, you're like, oh my God, that was Spider-Man.

DJ:

And realizing you had a chance to make a friend, but instead

DJ:

you chose us to be a jerk.

DJ:

It's a, it's the same.

DJ:

To be fair, I mean it that, that would be my reaction to someone

DJ:

saying that and being serious

Nicholas:

about it.

Nicholas:

It, the same thing happened with Henry Cal's grandson.

Nicholas:

Oh yeah.

DJ:

And he's oh, my uncle's Superman.

DJ:

And not his

Nicholas:

grandson.

Nicholas:

His nephew.

Nicholas:

His nephew, yeah.

Nicholas:

And 'cause that would be crazy.

Nicholas:

But anyway, the teacher was like, Hey, you need to stop telling

DJ:

lies.

DJ:

And he's what?

DJ:

Lie?

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

What

Nicholas:

lie?

Nicholas:

And then she was like, listen, if you don't quit telling lies, we're

Nicholas:

gonna have to put you in timeout.

DJ:

He's right that you're, that.

DJ:

He's I'm not lying.

DJ:

My uncle is Superman.

DJ:

She's no, he's not.

DJ:

So you got all these kids convinced that, and then what?

DJ:

Then Henry Cavel had to show up.

DJ:

Yeah, Henry Keller showed up.

DJ:

Person be like, yeah, this is my nephew.

DJ:

I am Superman.

Nicholas:

And then they had a the last story that I'll share

Nicholas:

is the fact of the Hulk, right?

Nicholas:

Yeah.

Nicholas:

The guy who plays the Hulk.

Nicholas:

He went to a preschool with his little daughter and sat down and they were

Nicholas:

doing little preschool things and this little kid was like, Are you the Hulk?

Nicholas:

And he was like, ah.

Nicholas:

I don't know.

Nicholas:

He's she and his daughter was like, yeah, he is the Hulk.

Nicholas:

And he was like, do you want him to turn into the Hulk?

Nicholas:

And he was like, I don't know.

Nicholas:

And he, so what he did was is he was like, and the priest said no.

DJ:

He's like the Hulk out.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Yeah.

DJ:

Like he's gonna all g Yeah.

DJ:

It's so funny.

DJ:

But yeah, this has been film center.

DJ:

My name is Derek Johnson ii.

DJ:

My name is Nicholas Killian, and we'll see you next time.

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