Live action Spider-man vs Animated Spiderman: With the success of “Across the Spider-verse”, it appears that Sony has another Spider-man franchise on its hands. How will this one stack up against the others? Will it succeed or end in another flop and reboot? Listen in and find out!
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Announcer Man:Now here are your anchors, Derek Johnson II and Nicholas Killian.
DJ:Hey everyone.
DJ:Welcome to Film Center.
DJ:My name is Derek Johnson.
DJ:Ii.
DJ:And I'm here with my co-host Nicholas Killian.
DJ:Nicholas, what are we getting into today?
Nicholas:So today we're getting into Spider-Man,
DJ:talking about Spider-Man.
DJ:Nicholas and I recently saw today is the 4th of June 20 2020.
DJ:Spider verse.
DJ:Yes.
DJ:We just saw across the spider verse.
DJ:Literally earlier this morning was a late Yeah,
Nicholas:We went at 11:00 PM
DJ:Yes.
DJ:And it's been doing really well.
DJ:Its numbers have been really well.
DJ:It's only out, been out for I think about 24 hours
Nicholas:and it's it came out on the second and it's the
DJ:fourth.
DJ:It's the fourth, so then about 48 hours in.
DJ:And it looks something like it's going, it's crossed over 120.
DJ:Mill.
DJ:Yeah.
Nicholas:It debuted at 51 million which edged out Guardians
Nicholas:of the Galaxy Volume three.
Nicholas:Yes.
DJ:Although two favorite guardians of the Galaxy, volume three has been out longer.
DJ:And on top of the fact that worldwide is looking at 208 million
DJ:and both of these numbers are coming out from the numbers deck.
DJ:So it's looking like it's going to be quite successful,
DJ:just like his predecessor.
DJ:Although, to be fair, I argue that it's gonna be more, much more
DJ:successful than his predecessor.
DJ:It's predecessor only having $375 million.
DJ:That was
Nicholas:worldwide.
Nicholas:Worldwide, exactly.
Nicholas:And just in the two days it's been out, it's already had 120 million.
Nicholas:You're right.
Nicholas:Mind you, the budget for it was a hundred.
DJ:So it's already made back its initial budget, quote, unquote, without the
DJ:marketing, because everyone knows that marketing isn't added as that added on
DJ:to that hundred a hundred million budget.
DJ:Nicholas, what are we really looking at when it comes to how
DJ:these animated Spider-Man look compared to the live action one?
DJ:Do you think there is room to not really room to grow because we're
DJ:not gonna be able to spoil this for the movie in this episode?
DJ:No spoilers.
DJ:'cause like I said, it just came out however.
DJ:How did this live action animated Spider-Man look towards the live
DJ:action ones and is there something else that people should be
DJ:copying for their own franchises?
Nicholas:Yeah, so the thing is the Live Action Spider-Man are more successful.
Nicholas:And the reason why they're more successful is the top three grossing
Nicholas:live spidermans are Spider-Man.
Nicholas:No Way.
Nicholas:Home.
Nicholas:Yes.
Nicholas:Which is with Tom Holland.
Nicholas:Tom Holland one point,
DJ:and Andrew Garfield.
DJ:And and to McGuire with all three
Nicholas:Spiderman.
Nicholas:With the No Way Home is.
Nicholas:1.9 billion.
Nicholas:Spider-Man, far from home was 1.1 billion.
Nicholas:And Spider-Man three, which was the Toby McGuire edition
Nicholas:over 189 million worldwide.
Nicholas:In contrast.
Nicholas:You
DJ:mean the opening days, you mean?
DJ:No, this is total.
DJ:It made a hundred.
DJ:Over a hundred million.
DJ:What did you say?
Nicholas:No, in total.
Nicholas:Spider-Man three with over 890 million worldwide.
Nicholas:Okay.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:And then the highest grossing animated Spider-Man film, spider-Man
Nicholas:into the Spider Verse, which came out in 2018, earned over 375
Nicholas:million like we just talked about.
Nicholas:Despite all its critical acclaim, it, yeah.
Nicholas:It only made.
Nicholas:And that was 375 million worldwide.
Nicholas:That's not just domestic box
DJ:office.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:You know what?
DJ:Looking at the numbers, comparing that one to the or really any of the
DJ:trilogies, it doesn't make as much.
DJ:Why do you think that is?
DJ:Do you think it's because of, because my personal hype.
DJ:I can tell you what I think.
DJ:I really think that This is because there's not as much star
DJ:power behind the animated one.
DJ:And then also it's competing with the M C U.
DJ:You gotta think about it like this.
DJ:When Toby McGuire Spider-Man came out, there was no other superhero competition.
DJ:There was the X-Men.
DJ:The X-Men was coming out, but it wasn't in direct competition with Spider-Man.
Nicholas:No.
Nicholas:It was something entirely
DJ:different.
DJ:Spider-Man, you're talking about the third highest grossing movie of 2002.
DJ:At the time when it came out, it was the highest grossing superhero film.
DJ:It was the sixth highest grossing of all time at its release.
DJ:It was the first film to reach over a hundred million
DJ:dollars in a single weekend.
DJ:And this is, you could say, oh inflation has something to do with it, right?
DJ:You're making more money as more money becomes.
DJ:Less expensive, you know what I'm saying?
DJ:Like with inflation.
DJ:So possibly if you accounted for inflation, maybe things like Star Wars
DJ:or Lord of the Rings might do better.
DJ:At the time this, it was the first failing to reach a hundred million
DJ:dollars in a single weekend.
DJ:We're talking about making over $821 million, right?
DJ:So it was really huge.
DJ:But it was huge because it stands stood alone, right?
DJ:True.
Nicholas:X-Men was a team superhero, and Spider-Man was the first like solo.
Nicholas:Solo superhero movie,
DJ:the X-Men.
DJ:I think X-Men came out after it, right?
DJ:I think so,
Nicholas:yeah.
Nicholas:But then you have to look at the first Spider-Man trilogy.
Nicholas:The live action success of it, directed by Sam Ramey from 2002 to
Nicholas:2007 had a combined worldwide box office gross of over $2.5 billion.
Nicholas:The first film in 2002 grossed over $820 million against 139.
Nicholas:Million dollar budget.
DJ:And these numbers, these are coming from the numbers to account, right?
DJ:W but it was also like you have celebrities are in this Will the foe.
DJ:You have James Franco.
DJ:James Franco, christian Dents.
DJ:Sam Remey himself to McGuire.
DJ:You are stat padding, star padding this movie.
DJ:Spider-Man entered the spider verse.
DJ:The first one, the first anime was not pitched that way.
DJ:No.
DJ:With all these celebrities in it now without spoiling anything Nicholas
DJ:and I did see across the Spider Verse, which is the second animated one.
DJ:And it does have more celebrities in it.
DJ:Yeah, a considerably amount.
DJ:However, in their marketing, they did not push for these celebrities to be there.
DJ:I would argue after seeing it, it's because of the story.
DJ:They were more like surprises, like good surprises, but still.
DJ:They, because they couldn't use it for their marketing.
DJ:It was, it's not gonna do as well.
DJ:I think that the success of it so far is really due to how good the first
DJ:movie was compared to Spider-Man with the first one took in choir,
DJ:where it's like from the jump people knew okay, this is gonna be great.
DJ:Looking at the trailer, From 2002, comparing it to
DJ:other stuff that was there.
DJ:It just occurred to superhero movies.
DJ:Excuse me.
DJ:Before then.
DJ:It's no
Nicholas:comparison.
Nicholas:Leagues beyond.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:Leagues, leagues beyond.
Nicholas:That's the thing that you also have to understand is also you can't
Nicholas:ignore the elephant in the room.
Nicholas:Spider-Man live action movies have more, have had more time.
Nicholas:Yeah they've had more time.
Nicholas:And the thing is the old movies are now nostalgic.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:I think even if you look at them from their own time period, it's to be fair,
DJ:the amazing Spider-Man that some people claim that they don't like whether you
DJ:like those movies or not, we're not gonna break, we're not gonna debate the
DJ:critic side of the Spiderman movies.
DJ:We're not gonna do that here.
DJ:No.
DJ:But they made a lot of
Nicholas:money.
Nicholas:They made
DJ:a ton of money.
DJ:They made a lot of money.
DJ:Okay, the second Spider-Man movie.
DJ:Spider-Man two with McGuire making over 790 million.
DJ:Right?
DJ:Third one, making over 890 million with Andrew Garfield, the first, the Amazing
DJ:Spider-Man made over 750 million.
DJ:It might not be as much as the it's predecessor you, right?
DJ:But you're still talking leagues above 3 75.
Nicholas:And then you also have to, you also have to say what
Nicholas:the budget was against, right?
Nicholas:They made all this money Spider-Man two, like you just said, with a
Nicholas:$2 million, $200 million budget and Spider-Man three with a $250
Nicholas:million budget, and it made all of
DJ:that money.
DJ:Yeah, to be fair though, the amazing Spider-Man, not the the animated
DJ:Spider-Man, its budget wasn't as big,
Nicholas:wasn't it like 90
DJ:million.
DJ:Yeah, it was just shy over a hundred for the animated one.
DJ:Right now they have not released the official budget for Spider-Man two
DJ:spider-Man across the Spider verse, the second animated Spider-Man movie.
DJ:Probably 'cause it's so fresh still.
DJ:However, do you think it would've been what, twice as
DJ:budget you think it would've?
DJ:First of all, we already know why the budget was so much higher.
DJ:They were doing live action.
DJ:The budget's gonna be higher, however, I don't even think a higher budget would
DJ:have done anything to improve the movie.
DJ:Let's get real here.
DJ:The first into the Spider Verse anime movie is pretty good.
DJ:No it's great.
DJ:It changed animated movies.
DJ:A that came therefore afterwards.
DJ:You gotta take a look at Puss, some boots.
DJ:Puss boots.
DJ:It's a di like the animation is uncannily similar to, into
DJ:the into the Spider verse.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:But then is it worth it?
DJ:To make these smaller, animated movies and not get this money
DJ:from the live action one.
DJ:Like, how much did the Tom Holland make?
Nicholas:The Tom Holland one no Way Home, the
DJ:first Tom Holland movie, homecoming over 870 million.
DJ:And then the, and the other two made over a billion dollars.
DJ:One of which, almost making $2 billion.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Now, to be fair, there's some argument there where it's okay, he was using
DJ:the star power of Robert Downey Jr.
DJ:And the star power of the giant M C U.
DJ:Those are fair arguments, and especially with the one that almost made $2 billion.
DJ:You have literally all three Spider-Man in it, right?
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:But it's like they make so much more money.
DJ:Is this, it just makes me afraid that people are, that
DJ:studios rather are not going to.
DJ:Push for animation as much, and we cannot say that it's an animation thing.
DJ:There have been plenty of animated movies that have done really well.
DJ:Yeah, they have definitely made more than this.
Nicholas:I think though that the live action ones make a more cultural
Nicholas:impact than the animated ones.
Nicholas:Why?
Nicholas:Culture of, they're people, it's an, it's not animated.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:So they might relate to them more.
Nicholas:It's not animated.
Nicholas:Plus, whenever you have an animated film, you have to rely really
Nicholas:heavily on the voice acting.
Nicholas:That's true.
Nicholas:That's true.
Nicholas:If so, for example, if you have somebody in a live action Spider-Man.
Nicholas:Okay.
Nicholas:You can rely on a multitude of different factors than just.
Nicholas:Voiceover acting,
DJ:The only thing you, two things you can rely on is that and the animation,
DJ:but it's like there are not a lot of movies that are animated to a degree
DJ:where people are going to, it's gonna read as well as just natural body movement.
DJ:Once again, I think this is probably due to its marketing.
DJ:I don't know.
DJ:What do you
Nicholas:think?
Nicholas:I think it's, I think it's due to its marketing.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:I think the thing is the, this being the second Spider-Man animated movie,
Nicholas:even though it's done really well for itself, I think it's still,
Nicholas:I think studios are still a bit scared to do these types of movies.
Nicholas:Even though it's proven that it's done really well, they're still a bit scared.
Nicholas:And
DJ:it's crazy that it's, it's Spider-Man, right?
DJ:You know what I'm saying?
DJ:Why?
DJ:I feel like the marketing push for this second one was not as
DJ:hard as it was for the first one.
DJ:No.
DJ:And it's like why?
DJ:And what is it going to take for those audiences to pay and not pay the suit?
DJ:'cause that's what it's done, comes down to the money.
DJ:You know what I'm saying?
DJ:That's what it all calms down to.
DJ:It always comes down to the money.
DJ:The studios aren't pulling it from thin air.
DJ:They're pulling it from people's pockets.
DJ:So what's it gonna take for this animated Spider-Man movie to
DJ:even meet the live action ones?
Nicholas:I don't think that's possible.
Nicholas:I don't think that's possible.
Nicholas:Because you have nostalgia, right?
Nicholas:You have nostalgia.
Nicholas:You have I'm
DJ:talking about, I'm talking about like in the future, right?
DJ:For when it's making new movies.
DJ:Because there was no nostalgia when these movies were coming out.
DJ:There's nostalgia for someone, McGuire one.
DJ:But, and I guess so I guess it just started, but then that same nostalgia
DJ:for the previous character would somehow need to work for this new animated one.
DJ:And the nostalgia didn't work there.
DJ:You know what I'm saying?
DJ:So it's I just really afraid that the studios will look, take a look at
DJ:this and say, okay, it's not worth it.
Nicholas:You also have to the thing you also have to look at is
Nicholas:what was happening in the world while these movies were also coming
DJ:out.
DJ:Which franchise you talking about?
DJ:Toby?
DJ:You talking about Toby and Toby McGuire movies?
Nicholas:Or Tom?
Nicholas:The Toby McGuire movies.
Nicholas:Okay.
Nicholas:Okay.
Nicholas:What's happening in the world right now?
Nicholas:Everything is from what If you could tell everything.
Nicholas:If you were to believe something, everything's up in flames right now.
Nicholas:Oh, with inflation.
Nicholas:With inflation, with everything else.
Nicholas:And to look back on not only great Superman spider-Man movies, you also
Nicholas:think of what a time was like back
DJ:then.
DJ:Yo, that's a year after nine 11.
DJ:Not a even a year afterwards.
DJ:Not even a full year.
DJ:After nine 11 this movie came out.
DJ:I remember seeing this movie.
DJ:With my dad in the summer of 2002.
DJ:And yeah, this was like the war on terror.
DJ:'cause it because nine 11 you had to still, nine 11 people
DJ:will still talk about that.
DJ:So and I don't think that will ever will stop.
DJ:So it's but it was so much more fresh back then.
DJ:That was when it happened and that's when people were like, you were seeing
DJ:people still on the news every day.
DJ:They were still picking up the pieces and those shots.
DJ:You look at the marketing for it of Spider-Man on the American Flagpole.
Nicholas:So you, there are a lot of X factors that you have to count on
Nicholas:and then also a lot of people, even we've talked about this, spider-Man
Nicholas:two being the greatest Spider-Man movie, live action movie there
DJ:is.
DJ:Exactly.
DJ:I, yeah, I fully believe
Nicholas:that.
Nicholas:And then no way home.
Nicholas:Is a close second.
DJ:And then, no way home.
DJ:If you were, 'cause they pulled out
Nicholas:literally all the
DJ:stops, right?
DJ:They got all the Spider-Man back together.
DJ:Tons of villains are in it.
DJ:I think that it broke the three villain cursed the Spider-Man hat
DJ:was like, oh, they revamped it after.
DJ:Which is weird because looking back at these numbers it's shocking
DJ:to think that studios thought that we had to shut it down.
DJ:Like you just made $894 million.
DJ:Regardless of what people are saying about the, you just made tons of money.
DJ:I guarantee you.
DJ:If they made, shoot, if they, Andrew Garfield movie was happening in
DJ:currently, these movies are coming out currently instead of animated ones.
DJ:They would continue to make them.
DJ:Yeah, they made enough money back for it to warrant.
DJ:Nowadays, I think it, I think you're right.
DJ:You have to think about the time in which they
Nicholas:came out.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:The time in which they came out.
Nicholas:What was happening around it.
Nicholas:When it came out, I, to, to be fair, I had not seen any of the
Nicholas:Spider-Man movies besides the, to me.
Nicholas:McGuire movies prior to us filming this podcast.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:So the thing was, is when I had watched the Andrew Garfield ones,
Nicholas:I was like, these movies are great.
Nicholas:These movies are great.
Nicholas:They made tons of money.
Nicholas:What was the issue and what was the problem?
Nicholas:And you were telling me, you were like basically it wasn't
Nicholas:Toby McGuire Spider-Man.
Nicholas:Crazy.
Nicholas:It's
DJ:basically that's the main, I mean there are some, there are a couple script
DJ:issues in it, but like almost every movie has some script issues, right?
DJ:That's just how movies work.
DJ:There's always someone who has some opinion of, oh, this should have
DJ:happened, this should have happened, this should have happened in any movie.
DJ:However, yeah, most people are still really nostalgic for time of wire.
DJ:And then also for the first, the Amazing Spider-Man, they made the move of using
DJ:the lizard, which was originally pitched to be to McGuire's fourth villain.
DJ:And not fourth villain, but in the fourth movie you would be fighting that
Nicholas:character.
Nicholas:Yeah, exactly.
Nicholas:So there, there are so many things that you can think of as to why
Nicholas:the live action Spider-Man movies are better and the quantifiable
Nicholas:metric of being more successful.
Nicholas:Because being better is objective in a creative business where, it's.
Nicholas:It's just your
DJ:word over mine.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Based on pen and a whole bunch of he said, she said stuff.
Nicholas:So the thing is you have to look at opening
Nicholas:weekends, so Spider-Man, no way.
Nicholas:Home grossed a total of $260 million, which is the second biggest opening
Nicholas:weekend of all time behind Avengers.
Nicholas:And ahead of Infinity War.
Nicholas:Yeah.
DJ:But it had so much going for it, you know what I'm saying?
DJ:Like
Nicholas:vers versus the first animated Spider-Man movie.
Nicholas:Which opening weekend made 56 million.
DJ:But you're looking at, a movie that's not as backed as that one is.
DJ:Like True.
DJ:And it's, once again, the Tom Holland movies are using the power of the M c
DJ:U, the largest movie franchise of all time to go ahead and make these movies
DJ:on top of the fact that once again, they have Disney money backing them.
DJ:Their marketing campaigns are way bigger than Sony's was for into the Spider verse.
Nicholas:That's another, that would be another reason why I
Nicholas:would cast my vote for more for the live action Spidermans is cross
DJ:Universe.
DJ:So do you think that they should be making the live action if they want, like you
DJ:think it should be making live action?
DJ:Yeah.
Nicholas:I'm not saying that you should stop making animated.
Nicholas:Spider-Man movies, but it's Amazon or Apple right now.
Nicholas:Okay.
Nicholas:Okay.
Nicholas:So they've opened up streaming services, correct?
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:Alright, now.
Nicholas:They don't really have to worry about making money on their shows.
Nicholas:Obviously they do wanna make money on their shows or else why would
Nicholas:they make them, but their main thing is not working on those shows.
Nicholas:Their main thing is selling iPhones and selling
DJ:product.
DJ:Really, the shows are an advertisement for the product.
DJ:The actual
Nicholas:products.
Nicholas:Yes.
Nicholas:So that's what I think, that's what I think.
Nicholas:The animated Spider-Man should be,
DJ:is, it should be an advertisement for the larger Spiderman Act.
Nicholas:Live action ones.
Nicholas:Live action ones.
Nicholas:Oh because the thing is you're not gonna be able to compete
Nicholas:with 20 years of buildup.
Nicholas:You're just not gonna be able to do that.
DJ:And then also think about it like this.
DJ:When's the last time we, I actually can't even really think of a.
DJ:The last animated Spider-Man movie that came out theatrically.
DJ:I don't believe it's happened in this, it was not happening in this capacity.
DJ:No.
DJ:Yeah, no.
Nicholas:Plus there's so much more you can do with live action
Nicholas:that you can't do with anime.
Nicholas:Now, with animated, you're not constrained by anything.
Nicholas:You're only constrained by what you can imagine.
DJ:And it's wild to think that, the animated Spiderman movie was
DJ:it did wonders for animation.
DJ:It made breakthroughs in animation.
DJ:The second one, it said previously, Nicholas and I saw it last
DJ:night and we enjoyed the movie.
DJ:We enjoyed the the second animated Spiderman movie There is they take,
DJ:I would say they, they take what they did in the first movie and
DJ:animation wise really built on it.
DJ:There are some new animation styles in this movie, again,
DJ:that kind of pushes it farther.
DJ:And they really they really, had the space to do that, right?
DJ:They're innovating the industry that way.
DJ:That's not I would argue that live action does not do the same thing.
DJ:Ah, I
Nicholas:would argue against that because you talk about the evolution
Nicholas:of visual and c g I effects.
Nicholas:That's Spider-Man
DJ:right there for you.
DJ:Yeah, but they're, yeah, but they're, if you're talking the
DJ:first Spider-Man trilogy or Yeah.
DJ:The first Spider-Man trilogy.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:When I'm talking about in current modern times, they're getting very
DJ:cookie cutter with how they look.
DJ:C g I wise.
DJ:If they gonna make a new, it would've
Nicholas:never happened though, if had it not been for the first
DJ:trilogy.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:But I'm talking about right now.
DJ:Okay.
DJ:The live action with Spider-Man right now versus the animated ones?
DJ:The animated ones are making more headways.
DJ:Oh, absolutely.
DJ:And making more innovations compared to the newer stuff.
DJ:Yeah, the newer stuff is literally just I would say that I really
DJ:actually did no way home.
DJ:But as far as the M C U goes, I mean it's starting to get very,
DJ:they're starting to get more laxed.
DJ:They're not gotta try as hard 'cause they know they're gonna go see you.
DJ:They're gonna go see it.
DJ:I feel like.
DJ:This be real here.
DJ:The real reason why No way.
DJ:Home Whistle Barber was Stone McGuire.
DJ:People heard Tony McGuire, Spiderman was coming back.
DJ:And if you are a fan of Spider-Man in, if you know who Spider-Man is, you were
DJ:like, I'm gonna go see this, right?
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Come here to the mates Spider-Man one where it's oh cool.
DJ:This is like a, it almost feels like a smaller ripoff compared to
DJ:the regular M C U, even though it's not even though it's own thing.
DJ:I don't know why they didn't give it the same, love and treatment that
DJ:the others live action ones had.
DJ:Do you think if it had that same love and treatment it would do better?
DJ:Possibly.
DJ:Obviously it was made for one from with care, but like they didn't
DJ:get these bigger stars to be in it.
Nicholas:Possibly, but also at the same time, you have to look at the
Nicholas:demographic that's coming to the movies.
Nicholas:So the thing is the demographic back then when the first Spider-Man
Nicholas:came out those people now have kids.
Nicholas:So what they're doing is
DJ:their, then that, that should be even a bigger reason why the
DJ:animated ones should do better.
DJ:'cause it's literally animated.
DJ:It's four children and
Nicholas:yet it doesn't.
Nicholas:And yet it doesn't.
DJ:Yeah.
Nicholas:Facts and facts.
Nicholas:That's just a thing, right?
Nicholas:You say that hey, it's animated, it's a family film.
Nicholas:Listen, the one that just came out's doing really well for
DJ:itself, right?
DJ:It's not like the movies are doing bad, but they're just not doing
DJ:as well as the live action stuff.
DJ:So it's I'm trying to figure out what does the missing piece here,
DJ:to me personally, it feels like the star power in the marketing is
DJ:what are the two missing pieces?
DJ:I actually don't even know what other things that they're
DJ:missing besides those two things.
Nicholas:The thing is it's animated.
Nicholas:Okay.
Nicholas:That's when you have live action.
Nicholas:It's the realism is more, the immersion is more, yeah.
Nicholas:The
DJ:I'm unable to buy it as much,
Nicholas:Your suspension of disbelief is harder.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:Yeah, that's true.
Nicholas:Plus you have time.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:You're not gonna beat the time, you're not gonna beat the nostalgia.
Nicholas:You're not gonna beat the fact that these people that saw these
Nicholas:movies when they were kids, now they're seeing it with their kids.
Nicholas:It's the same thing with Star Wars, right?
Nicholas:Star Wars has what, three or four generations?
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:But you can't argue that any movies can't make that hand of money.
DJ:Look at an Nemo Finding Nemo made over, made them a Lion King.
DJ:There's so many plethora of movies.
Nicholas:But we're talking about, we're not talking about
Nicholas:the, we're talking about animated
DJ:Spider-Man.
DJ:That's fair.
DJ:But it's okay, so then what do they do?
DJ:No, what did those movies do that this movie didn't?
DJ:This movie doesn't have, once again, it's a star power.
DJ:And also yeah, their marketing campaigns, which is bigger.
DJ:I don't know what is going on recently.
DJ:This, there's this recent trend in movies, to just have.
DJ:So like the marketing, that's what they're cutting the budgets, it seems to
DJ:be like in their marketing department.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:And I know what people are gonna say.
DJ:They're like, oh, I saw it everywhere.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Digital marketing is not something that's, the studios are as good with compared.
DJ:They're good with paying for commercial spots, so you're
DJ:gonna see it on YouTube ads.
DJ:But as far as like real marketing, they're not.
DJ:The best at it just yet, but even still, it doesn't seem like they're
DJ:pushing as hard for marketing as they were like five years ago.
Nicholas:Also, you have to look at the times that we're in right now, right?
Nicholas:So you have to sit there.
Nicholas:You can't really make that case for the 2008 animated Spider-Man, but
Nicholas:you definitely can make the case for the Spider-Man that just came out.
Nicholas:Look at the inflation.
Nicholas:Look at how everything's going.
Nicholas:Inflation is the
DJ:exact reason why it should be doing better across the board when there is
DJ:inflation, when there is a recession, when any of those things, yeah, it's
DJ:not when all those things happen.
DJ:Art does well, right?
DJ:So it's like clearly there is something missing because it's not right.
DJ:So you can't say, oh, it's the inflation's fault.
DJ:You can't say, oh, it's the, those are usually when art
DJ:makes movies do really well,
Nicholas:and yet they're doing
DJ:the opposite.
DJ:So what else could be possibly missing besides star power and better marketing?
DJ:Because I tell you, I'll tell you this right now, they might just
DJ:after supposedly there's supposed to be a third movie, We don't know,
DJ:but there's supposed to be a third movie that's supposed to come out.
DJ:What's gonna, this second one's doing really well, so I'm not gonna act like
DJ:they might not they're not gonna get it.
DJ:If it keeps going at the pace is going, it's gonna make plenty of money.
DJ:But looking at what happened to Andrew Garfield's, him and the first and
DJ:second amazing Spiderman, it wasn't that they weren't making money, it's just
DJ:that they weren't making enough money.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:I, and they might get the same feeling about the animated
DJ:Spider-Man, which I don't want it to happen to them, basically.
DJ:But
Nicholas:also we were talking about the fact that it was too
Nicholas:close to the original Spider-Man.
DJ:That's true.
DJ:That's true.
DJ:It was very close in release to the original not close as in the
DJ:next year or nothing like that.
DJ:But like there, it's just so hard to follow up that first strategy to be
Nicholas:fair.
Nicholas:And then the thing is it is, We haven't talked about this, but the
Nicholas:fact that it's animated, animated is geared towards children.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:You have live action.
Nicholas:You can gear it towards
DJ:everybody.
DJ:Isn't that yeah, that's true.
DJ:That's true.
DJ:Adults are more likely to go see live action than they
DJ:are gonna see animated films.
DJ:Unless it's something, that's like star pack things with.
DJ:Star power, which they didn't do that's this has been film center and our
DJ:comparison to live action and animated.
DJ:Nicholas, what's your verdict?
DJ:Should they do a live action Miles Morales movie?
Nicholas:Yes.
Nicholas:Yeah.
DJ:Yes.
DJ:It's such a long pause.
DJ:The thing is because based on the numbers, we just looked at the numbers,
Nicholas:man, based on the numbers.
Nicholas:Also at the same time you have the experience.
Nicholas:You've been making live action, Spider-Man movies for forever.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:You already know how to do it.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:Why not make a live action Miles Morales movie?
Nicholas:You already got Donald Glover.
DJ:Yeah, and there are already some people like who there are some people
DJ:already speculating that it might happen, but to be fair, at the end of No Way
DJ:home there was like little venom symbio.
DJ:So that I think that, alright, I would rather see Tom Holland Venom, then
DJ:a miles, and then a movie with him and Miles Morales just because of.
DJ:Venom's just a better story.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:There's so much more that you could do with Venom than
DJ:you can with Miles Morales.
DJ:Especially because Miles Morales is supposed to have a similar backstory
DJ:to Tom Holland's, like Tom Holland, spider-Man is, was basically based
DJ:off the Miles Morales's backstory from the comic book, and then it was kinda
DJ:like mixed in a little bit with yeah.
DJ:His own little flare.
DJ:So it's I don't really think.
DJ:I think that they should continue with the Venom thing.
DJ:I don't really, I don't know what they're gonna do.
DJ:'cause to be fair, Tom Holland is young looking.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:He's not, he's young looking.
DJ:I like, if you standing him next to a middle schooler, he is not gonna
DJ:look like he's the older mentor.
DJ:He's gonna look like that's his friend or something.
Nicholas:But they were, which is true.
Nicholas:And the way that I could corroborate that was whenever Tom Holland
Nicholas:was filming for his noway home, he actually went to like a.
Nicholas:Very high performing high school.
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:And to, because he had told Mar Marvel.
Nicholas:Hey maybe I should, go to one of these high schools if
DJ:what's crazy.
DJ:He is yeah, I haven't been to high school before.
DJ:I said this might be fun
Nicholas:to try.
Nicholas:And he wasn't even like suggesting, and Marvel was like yeah let's get you in.
Nicholas:And so he went there for a few days
DJ:and days.
DJ:That's how you experienced high school in 72 hours.
Nicholas:Exactly.
Nicholas:And so the guy, there was a student that was like, Hey man
Nicholas:You're like a mystery here.
Nicholas:Nobody knows really much about this.
Nicholas:You kinda just
DJ:showed up.
DJ:How
Nicholas:did you get here?
Nicholas:And he was like, listen I'm just going to tell you like, like I'm Spider-Man.
Nicholas:That's why I'm here.
Nicholas:And he was like, dude, you're crazy man.
Nicholas:And then just
DJ:Yeah, this guy's weird.
DJ:Yeah, this
Nicholas:guy thinks he's Spider-Man
DJ:link.
DJ:That's so weird, right?
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:But yeah, and then he turns out he, he is Spider-Man.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Could you imagine being that guy, you're like, like you're not Spider-Man, and
DJ:then you see him in the movie, you're like, oh my God, that was Spider-Man.
DJ:And realizing you had a chance to make a friend, but instead
DJ:you chose us to be a jerk.
DJ:It's a, it's the same.
DJ:To be fair, I mean it that, that would be my reaction to someone
DJ:saying that and being serious
Nicholas:about it.
Nicholas:It, the same thing happened with Henry Cal's grandson.
Nicholas:Oh yeah.
DJ:And he's oh, my uncle's Superman.
DJ:And not his
Nicholas:grandson.
Nicholas:His nephew.
Nicholas:His nephew, yeah.
Nicholas:And 'cause that would be crazy.
Nicholas:But anyway, the teacher was like, Hey, you need to stop telling
DJ:lies.
DJ:And he's what?
DJ:Lie?
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:What
Nicholas:lie?
Nicholas:And then she was like, listen, if you don't quit telling lies, we're
Nicholas:gonna have to put you in timeout.
DJ:He's right that you're, that.
DJ:He's I'm not lying.
DJ:My uncle is Superman.
DJ:She's no, he's not.
DJ:So you got all these kids convinced that, and then what?
DJ:Then Henry Cavel had to show up.
DJ:Yeah, Henry Keller showed up.
DJ:Person be like, yeah, this is my nephew.
DJ:I am Superman.
Nicholas:And then they had a the last story that I'll share
Nicholas:is the fact of the Hulk, right?
Nicholas:Yeah.
Nicholas:The guy who plays the Hulk.
Nicholas:He went to a preschool with his little daughter and sat down and they were
Nicholas:doing little preschool things and this little kid was like, Are you the Hulk?
Nicholas:And he was like, ah.
Nicholas:I don't know.
Nicholas:He's she and his daughter was like, yeah, he is the Hulk.
Nicholas:And he was like, do you want him to turn into the Hulk?
Nicholas:And he was like, I don't know.
Nicholas:And he, so what he did was is he was like, and the priest said no.
DJ:He's like the Hulk out.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Yeah.
DJ:Like he's gonna all g Yeah.
DJ:It's so funny.
DJ:But yeah, this has been film center.
DJ:My name is Derek Johnson ii.
DJ:My name is Nicholas Killian, and we'll see you next time.
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