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Living on a boat lifestyle with Sophie Darsy
Episode 6531st October 2021 • Success Inspired • Vit Müller
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Ryan and Sophie are a couple in their mid-thirties that quit their start-up jobs in 2017 after nearly 10 years of a career that left them dissatisfied. They departed from their home port of Stockholm Sweden in 2018 to pursue a life of adventures at sea, sailing around the world in a 40 foot sailboat. They have sailed 13000 nautical miles from Sweden to the Mediterranean sea and twice across the Atlantic. 

Check out their youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/c/ryansophiesailing

Links:

  • https://www.instagram.com/ryan_and_sophie_sailing
  • https://www.facebook.com/ryanandsophiesailing

Highlights:

  • [00:01:50] How to get started with freedom, travel lifestyle?
  • [00:08:23] What is the lifestye of living on a boat likeww
  • [00:12:35] What motivated Ryan & Sophie to live this lifestyle
  • [00:15:24] Sophie talks about her experience starting a Youtube Channel
  • [00:17:56] What is true success? Me and Sophie discuss that in this part of the interview
  • [00:20:43] What is a bad day living on a boat like?
  • [00:26:23] What is a good day on a boat like
  • [00:29:15] Places to look out for when sailing
  • [00:38:36] How do you plan for this living on a boat lifestyle
  • [00:39:59] Consider to have the end in mind.. we talk about resell value of a boat and more
  • [00:41:25] Going through challenges during covid pandemic and being stuck on a boat.
  • [00:52:10] 3 Take aways

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Welcome to the Success Inspired Podcast, a business and personal development

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podcast to help you accomplish more in life and realize your true potential.

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And now here is your host Vit Muller

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Welcome to another episode of the Success Inspired Podcast.

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Today my guest is a traveling enthusiast in her mid thirties that quit her startup

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job in 2017, after nearly 10 years of a career that left her and her partner

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dissatisfied, they departed from their home port of Stockholm, Sweden in 2018,

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to pursue a life of adventures at sea sailing around the world in a 40 foot

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sailboat, they have sailed 13,000 nautical miles since from Sweden to

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the Mediterranean sea and twice across the Atlantic, they are now getting

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ready for third Atlantic crossing that will take them from the Canary islands

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to the south of the Caribbean sea.

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What am I talking about this?

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Why is this important?

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Well, we are all stuck at home and it's bloody COVID.

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So it's just really nice to hear from somebody that is able to travel.

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They present a true example that living a traveling lifestyle of

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your dreams is possible even during global COVID pandemic.

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So please welcome to the show Sophie from Ryan and Sophie Sailing.

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If I want to have like a little background of, applause, like,

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it sounds like I'm on there.

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Woo that's awesome.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for having me.

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It's been a, it's been a long time coming.

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It was in the right.

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We tried twice.

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Didn't work out.

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I know you guys were selling at a time and try to find a little,

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little a stopover to do this.

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And then, you know, I stopped off my time and then you stuffed up

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your time and then there we go.

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Third time.

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Lucky we made it spread to heat.

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So Sophie, tell me how this whole thing started for you and Ryan.

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Like, tell us, take us to the beginning because you know, there's so many

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people that might be listening to this.

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They are living their regular, let's call them regular lifestyle.

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Like may like, you know, having a day jobs and living, you

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know, in our home, in our town.

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but we all kind of have that, you know, thought every now and then,

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like what would be like to go and have that freedom, like lifestyle,

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a freedom of lifestyle to be able to travel, but not everybody does it.

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So, how did you, how did you do it?

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I think it's a, it's a really good way to start because when we first get the

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idea, we were, that we had that life.

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We went to work from nine to five, both Ryan and I were working

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in the startups at that point.

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And I think that we would not be here today talking to you

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about our sailing adventure.

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If we did not dislike our jobs, there was a point it was back in 2015.

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And when we first got started, when, we just w camo, we, we would just

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come home and wonder what it is that we were doing with our lives.

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And so sometimes, you know, a fate pushes you and give you a little push to put

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you in the right direction that push for Ryan came in the form of a, of a goose,

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Oh, yeah, we're, we're getting there.

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so we were both pretty supportive.

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We're both people.

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And at that time were, training for us.

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So comes marathons.

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We were both running a lot and we were big into, and you're in sports

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and runways into mountain climbing.

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So he was training for big mountain summit, somewhere into.

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I think he was too high you, that he was going to climb.

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And Ryan was on the run in Iowa where he's from, training for

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SoCal marathon and at kilometer 30.

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So he was like way far in the wrong.

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he passed by a group of geese.

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One of them had babies and thought that Ryan posed a threat, proceeded to

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attack Ryan fly to his eyes and Ryan in an attempt to escape the gurus run

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in the other direction, slipped in a puddle of mud and fell on his arm.

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And he dislocated his shoulder, broke the socket bone, had to have major

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reconstructive surgery and pretty quickly he realized that, everything that he

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was training for and everything that was fun in his life, you know, aside

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from the job that he didn't really like, well, I was gone for a while.

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and on my side, I was on the very same path being at a job.

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I had been at my company for four years at that point, and I was really questioning

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why I was saying, you know, start at jobs.

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You're generally not being paid very well.

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It's very political, lots of things happening that you question anyways.

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So one day I was at work and Ryan sends me a text and he's bored and he

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was bored, Panda, fantastic websites.

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And he had read about the story of a couple, our age, who had

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sold everything to buy a sailboat.

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And me born at work was like, yes, this sounds like a great idea.

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and it's funny because you know, every time that we tell this story,

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we look back at who we were and where we were sitting in 2015.

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And we're like, yeah, well, we made it

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so like, Something had to happen that, that, like that moment, that important,

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like, something that, how do you say it?

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Like, let me say it, like put a wedge wedge in, into kind of a rate,

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like, because of that juice, right?

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Like if that gives didn't happen, do you reckon that you

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would eventually do this or.

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No, absolutely not.

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maybe we would have done something else.

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I think that would happen is that we were just at a point in our lives,

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you know, where we were heating early thirties end of your twenties.

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And you've been working for a while and you start looking at your life and ask

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yourself, what is it that I want to do?

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And it ended up being sailing, but I think it could have been, you know,

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other things like starting a farm, moving to another country or change career.

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But I think that at this point, what was really happening is that we just didn't

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like the career path that we were on and we needed something new, to focus on.

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And it happened to be sailing and sailing worked for us.

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But yeah, so without that event, we would, we would probably not be sailing,

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maybe something else would've happened that would've pushed us in another

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direction, but that goose attack really?

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Yeah.

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Kick started everything.

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Now, so you had a career, that's an interesting one.

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So why people have certain carers that they feel dissatisfied in your case?

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That's that's you got to that point, but initially obviously you did

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you, did you choose that carrier?

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Did you wanted to pursue

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that career initially?

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Well,

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it's a bit interesting, you know, because I'm French.

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If you count here, Ryan, my partner is American and we both met in

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Sweden where we were working.

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And the reason why I'm moved to Sweden is because in terms of

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your professional life, you know, you, you work to have a good life.

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You do not leave for your job, which is what I experienced

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starting my career in France.

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And so I moved to Sweden so that I would have a better, it's a bit cliche

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to say that, but work-life balance.

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The problem is that at that time I was working in marketing and advertising and

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in Sweden, I didn't speak the language.

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So I had to find a way to make an income.

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And my career took a path that I didn't really initially anticipate.

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I was like open to it and I just ended up doing something that

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was completely unrelated to what I enjoyed doing professionally.

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and that left me really, you know, questioning the choices that I made.

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I'm still really happy that I moved to Sweden.

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I was great move, amazing country.

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love it became a civic citizen, but what I ended up doing professionally

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was just nuts, the right thing for me,

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circumstance of being in that country and not speaking the language,

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you kind of had to do what you had to do at that at that time.

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yeah.

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Cool.

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Awesome.

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So, I mean, yeah, so fast forward.

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So now you guys living on the boat.

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So tell me about this lifestyle.

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What is it like?

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So, okay.

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I think maybe we should like backtrack a little bit.

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Okay.

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You know, there is, there is this thing that most people, that dream

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of, you know, living this lifestyle have to do, which is to learn how

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to deal with the boats and ran.

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And I had never lived on a boat before and that we've never, we'd

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never been on a sailboat before.

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We didn't know how to sail.

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And that is the case for a lot of people who want to leave this lifestyle and

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our learning curve really impacted a lot of this experience that we have living

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on the boats because we're permanently learning something new because we were

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complete newbies when we get started.

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So I would say that for somebody who's a routine sailor and very experienced,

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you know, living on a boat may come a lot more naturally, but when

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you're a complete newbie, it is so much that you have to learn at once.

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It's not only how to handle your boat and maneuver rates through whatever

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kind of weather or eating out of Harbor.

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it's also learning to repair that boat.

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It's learning all of the systems in the boat.

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So that's the electric system.

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How do you produce and consume power?

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It's a, the toilet system, because now you're in charge of that as well.

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You know?

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You have to be self-sufficient and learn everything.

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And you know, the boats is not going to wait for you to learn something.

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The boot is going to break and then you're going to have to fix it.

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And you're going to have to fix a system that is probably new to you.

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And that's why, you know, when you ask me the question, how

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is it like to live on the boat?

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Well, it really depends where you are in your level of knowledge of boats.

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And when we get started, we started at zero.

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So it's, it's very, it's very challenging.

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Like imagine you living a life and all of a sudden you're going to make a change

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that involves, you're going to change the way that you, you house yourself because

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now your house is moving all the time.

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You're going to change the way that you feed yourself.

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Because you know, going to the grocery store is not as convenient.

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And because you're traveling the world.

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You're going to you, whatever you find, and the story's going to change

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based on where you are, you're going to change the way that you earn money,

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because you're transitioned from having a full-time job and a monthly

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salary to maybe being a remote worker.

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You're going to change the way that you spend the money that you

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earn, because all of a sudden, you're not paying rent anymore.

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You're not paying for a lot of things that would go into maintaining your lifestyle.

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They were paying for completely different things.

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And those expenses vary a lot from one month to the other.

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Maybe in April, your boat breaks a lot or it's maintenance month, and you have

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to spend a lot of money on the boat, but in July you spend all of your, all

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of your days sailing or being on anchor and you barely get the credit card out.

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And so.

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Everything in your life changes the moment that you move onboard a boat

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and start moving the boat around.

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so it's, it's a very interesting experience.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say that in itself, just, just getting your head around

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the boat, like living on the boat lifestyle that you just said.

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But the other thing that, that I want to point out is also the fact that

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you did it, you know, in, in like in your thirties, you didn't do it

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like when you were in your twenties.

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So by the time you already had an established way of lifestyle.

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So that in itself also that transition must've been hard.wasn't it?

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It's it's really hard in the sense that, it's very tiring.

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Like you don't realize the amount of energy that goes into

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adjusting to new circumstances.

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And so for the first three months that Ryan and I were traveling on our cell

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boats, and at that time we were sailing between Stoker and the north sea.

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We were exhausted.

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We were physically tired all the time because everything was so new.

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What kept you going, obviously?

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So like I said, it was very hard, but obviously you kept pursuing it.

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So what was the main motivation behind your do?

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What was, what was the ideal outcome for you at that time like

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that you were looking forward to?

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It's funny that you say that because yesterday night I was watching old videos,

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neck from very early days and, And it was the idea that runs a, we would be

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living in the sun in a tropical paradise with cocktails in our hands every night.

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And, and you know, that happens, obviously it happened at a price, right?

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It is a lifestyle that is very challenging, but, but the rewards

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of this lifestyle is high.

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You do get to see much more of the world and 99% of people, you do get

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to experience countries and cultures in a way that you would never do as a

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regular tourist living on a Saturday, staying, staying a week in the country,

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trying to visit everything that's syndicated books, and then go on.

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To your normal life, right?

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With our boats, we get to exist.

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Places that nobody ever goes.

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We get to meet locals.

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We live like locals.

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We go to the same supermarkets.

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We get to the same bars, the same restaurants, we do the same things.

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And this way of traveling is so rewarding.

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And that is why, you know, that is why we're okay.

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Living a lifestyle that is very challenging

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the way you just said it, all that, that makes me like

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it, it sounds super exciting.

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I love that.

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And obviously this podcast is all about inspiring success.

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So this, this be considered as a success of a lifestyle of your

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dreams that you've achieved.

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Well down to that, that's bloody amazing.

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And I did it yet.

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I know, like we kind of went into like the, the hard times and how hard

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it was the beginning, but, you know, anything good, worth doing is, is, it

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doesn't comes without a sacrifice.

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Right.

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So,

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yeah, absolutely.

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Now you mentioned videos, so you guys have a YouTube channel or what, and

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we do.

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Okay.

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It's called Ryan & Sophie Sailing.

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And, and as I, as I mentioned, I thought about this name a lot before I

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started it, when, when we get started.

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so that's backtracking the band again, but I quit my job a year before we

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actually left Stockholm and so I spent a year establishing a little

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bit of a freelance business, and I want it to go back to what I love

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the most, which is digital marketing.

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And so I was freelancing and making.

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websites and social media marketing for my clients.

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And I make a point to always try to become better at what I do

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and the year that we departed,

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I decided that I was going to try YouTube because I really want it to know and

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understand the platform, and what makes a good YouTube channel, spoiler alert.

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The first times of me doing YouTube were not amazing.

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I was not great at it.

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but I, I just had this idea that I would make my friends

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laugh with a couple of videos.

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and so I started making them and I had a good laugh and I really enjoyed

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editing and cracking jokes on the camera.

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and eventually, you know, other people started to laugh at my, questionable

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humor and a and a year later I was like, man, this, this has potential.

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I could actually.

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You know, do it as a job.

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and you have this image of YouTubers being really big and really

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famous and making a lot of money.

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But, when you get started, I mean, I'm not at this point, okay.

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I can make a living with YouTube, but it's not like woo.

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and the two first year is of working full-time on YouTube.

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I made absolutely nothing.

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Ryan was paying for all of the expenses.

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But you can see your little baby grow and you make those connections

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with, the people at which our video, and it's such a wonderful thing.

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And it is the job, the one job that I've had in my life that has had

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the most impact on other people.

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And, and to me, that is the success.

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It's not, yeah, it is not, you know, how much money I can make.

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Cause I really do not make a lot.

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And a lot of what we make, we, we put back in channel, it's not the amount of videos

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that I'm able to produce or how good they are, how good the production quality is.

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It is that impact that you make on people's lives.

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It's the emails that I receive every week telling me.

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I watched your video and now I bought a boat and this is amazing.

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Thank you.

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And you were like, wow, damn.

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That's that's incredible.

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That's why I want to work.

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That's to me, that makes sense.

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It has purpose.

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That has meaning.

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I love that.

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I love that, but what's the general.

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So Sophie and Ryan sailing, is that how it's, how people can find it on YouTube.

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Yeah, you should.

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You should use Google.

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Right.

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And Sophie, he it's the same thing, you know?

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so he and Ryan, Ryan, and Sophie, you will find us, cause

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that's, that's our internet name.

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So you talk about, you know, income, like this is like your income generating,

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a way, and it's not, you know, you're not going to become a millionaire,

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but it covers your expenses and isn't allowing, and it's allowing

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you, to make an impact for others.

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A and then B is helping you cover some of the expenses.

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So at the end of the day, I mean, like you could either make a lot

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of money, but be unhappy or have a lifestyle of your dreams, right?

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Like at the end of like the whole, the whole thing that like,

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sometimes I hear it in a movie.

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So, you know, when you're on your death bed, like, what's the, what's

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like, are you gonna think about how much money you've got in bank account?

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Or are you going to think about the experiences, the life

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experiences that you've had and the impact on the people you've had?

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So I think this is the right way.

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This is the, I mean, yeah.

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And, and that's, and that's, perfectly aligned with what I

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believe a true success is as well.

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I go into having some financial freedom is great as well, because

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it allows you to buy stuff.

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But ultimately you want to, you want to be able to have those

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experiences go and explore the world.

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I think that ultimately when I.

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I viewed success as making more money, being promoted, having

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the ability to buy a beautiful apartment in the center of the city.

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not having to count my money in terms of being able to go out, going out to

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dinner, buying clothes, go shopping.

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That was my vision of success.

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And, but that vision of success did not make me happy.

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It, it felt very empty.

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And since we've changed our lives to do something that we have chosen and that

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we love, we don't love it every day.

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Granted, no life is perfect, but, but I make no, no less like nowhere close to

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the money that I made when I was employed.

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But I feel so fulfilled.

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And content with both life and work that it doesn't matter that, you know,

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I feel that I can't buy clothes or that I should be careful how much I go up.

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It doesn't matter because at the end of the day, I get to go to my

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boats and count the amount of amazing places that I will get to visit

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in the coming two or three months.

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And that is, yeah, that is worse.

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So much more than the difference between my current salary and my old salary.

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Hm.

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Now I want to talk about some realities behind the curtain kind of thing.

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You know, like, I mean, this all sounds pretty cool.

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this, this whole lifestyle, but the way you picturing it and, and, yeah, it sounds

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amazing, but like you said, there's some, some that sometimes it's not perfect.

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So what would that be like?

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What would be like a bad day, living on the boat.

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Oh, wow.

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Okay.

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how much time do you have

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a bad day often starts with sleep deprivation because that is a

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reality of the life that relieve our boats is like our baby.

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She is very much alive and he very much talks to us.

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We call her sheet, her name is polar seal.

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and he's a character in our lives.

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He breaks he needs to be secured.

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So when we are at the marina, she needs to be properly secured.

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If she is not properly secured, the lines will Creek, or hall is

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going to chase against a dock.

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the fenders that are those little inflatable things that

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protect us from the dock.

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they can, They can squeak.

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They can not be placed at the right place.

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And for us, that means that the boat breaks and when the boat

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breaks, it's very expensive.

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and it takes a lot of

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time crux in the.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's happened to us several times.

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And so you have to take the time and the money to do the repair and that's,

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that would be a pretty minor break.

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But one day we were arriving in Antiga beautiful island in the Caribbean.

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we were about to drop the anchor and all of a sudden, Ryan hears a pop coming

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from the windlass, which is this part of the boat that controls the anchor chain.

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So it takes it in and out of the water and the chain isn't budging it.

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Yeah.

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And we realized that the windlass is completely corroded and it's a big part,

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you know, like imagine a big winch that's, has a chain wraps around it and it's

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disintegrating because of corrosion.

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And here we are in Antiga in the Caribbean and we have no way

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to take the anchor up or down.

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We had to do it manually and it's very heavy.

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so the boat talks to us and sometimes she doesn't happy.

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Sometimes he breaks.

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And if you have first Sydney probation, because the wind was really bad

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denied before, so you didn't get a good night of sleep cause you were

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rolling, you know, at Anchorage.

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And the wind was really, really loud on top of that.

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You have breakage, so something breaks and it's not only very inconvenient

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at the time that it breaks.

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It's also very expensive to fix.

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I imagining that you're in a place or you can not find replacement

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for the part that breaks.

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It means that you have to go somewhere else.

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So all the things that you want it to do, where you are you're, you're not

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going to be able to do them because now the priority is to repair the boats.

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So you were missing all those places.

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That's happened to us many times, and now we mentioned that by the weather is

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coming and I can make the list very, very long, but essentially a bad day is a day

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that problems accumulates and, and you're just, and you just don't have the energy

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to, you know, deal with it with calm.

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And then, and those days happen, you know, the, those days happen

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more often than you'd imagine.

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And you need to develop a lot of emotional flexibility in order

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to, to deal with those days.

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I love resilience.

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Yeah, because I was going to ask them what keeps you going right.

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Well, you need to be really kind to yourself and your partner, but you

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realize that, okay, this time I went very far in my reaction to those events.

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Tomorrow's another day we will do better.

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We're not always perfect.

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We will miss deadlines.

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We will miss our objectives.

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We will miss things that we really want to do, but we need to be okay with that.

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This is part of the life that we've chosen.

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And so if we feel like giving up every time that something bad

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happens, then you know, the negative aspects of the lifestyle disappear,

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but the rewards disappear as well.

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And there are two good.

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If everything was just picture perfect all the time, you wouldn't have, you

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wouldn't have, what to compare it against.

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So it wouldn't feel as though.

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Yeah.

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And you know, sailing has taught me something that I think is

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very valuable and I think it's valuable for everyone in life.

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You know, I hate sailing in heavy weather, you know, like

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big waves, really strong winds.

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It's very, very stressful.

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And I really do not like it.

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I don't think anybody really does, but in sailing, everything is temporary.

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The weather changes, you know, a storm that's coming is not going to look

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the same in six hours or in 12 hours.

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And so you have to wait and you have to just make it through

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those hours that are bad.

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and on the other side, You'll be okay.

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You will arrive on land and everything will be fine in disbelief.

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You just become a good story.

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And I think that this applies to everything in life, like

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everything is temporary.

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So when you have a bad day, when everything breaks and you have to

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spend a lot of money to fix the problem and you miss a beautiful

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place, at the same time, you have to remember that this is temporary.

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It's gonna end.

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And on the other side it will, it will be better.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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That's that resilience and yeah, you're right.

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You just got to persist and it'll get better.

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Now.

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What does a good day look like?

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Just like let us in, because I'm really curious.

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Like what, like, if I was to wake up on a boat, what w what could

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I expect from like a good day?

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And also, when I got struggling, that's the other question you can answer later,

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but, when, when you guys are sailing, how, how often would you change places?

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How long would you normally stay in a, in a place and that sort of.

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That's a million dollar question, but here is a good day.

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We just arrived in a pitiful place.

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Let's say easily.

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We love Italy.

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Italy is wonderful.

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If you are to pick one travel destination in your life, go to

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Italy and Portugal and Cape Verde.

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We have, we have a long list of beautiful places in the

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world, but, so you just arrived.

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You need to leave.

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The sail was good and you felt rested and relaxed.

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Now you're going to drop the anchor.

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Everything's going to go well, can, blow up the dinghy, which is the little boat

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that we take from our big boats to shore to go to this beautiful little Harbor

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where there is a coffee shop waiting for you with a magnificent breakfast.

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And here you are sitting at the dock in the little Harbor.

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wonderful local breakfast with not tourists around you.

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And you can just sit there and contemplate how amazing life is.

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That is a good day.

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Nice.

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And knowing that freedom that at any point, you can just go back to your

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main boat and we've moved locations.

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Exactly.

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I think that another, very not underrated, but maybe not very talked about aspect

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of our lives is that we get to meet incredible people everywhere we go.

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And because we are this tight knit little community of sailors that

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we rely on each other, because as I said, boot breaks problems happen.

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And the community, the sailing community is always here to help

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each other and to meet each other.

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And so everywhere we go, there is a boats where we can invite

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the people to have drinks and.

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Since we left the dock in coming in 2018 and have been

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traveling the world on our salvo.

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I have never met such, a variety of different people because it doesn't matter

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what socioeconomic background we have, what kind of jobs we have, where in the

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world we come from, or, or even a how old we are, we all end up becoming friends

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and they are at, you know, people that are less nice than others, like everywhere,

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but generally sailors are really kind and generous people and super, super fun.

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So we have met amazing friends.

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So yeah.

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Good day also ends with that.

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Having drinks with your friends on their boat, watching the sunset.

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That's cool thing.

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That sounds really nice.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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And

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what about, some of the things that you need to look out for some places that

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you might want to go and explore him?

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I'd have to be a bit more cautious that maybe there's the thing about Somalia.

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I know like it's pirates and little things like.

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Yes.

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So, every, I would say every region of the world has its

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own risks, risks, and rewards.

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So for example, we started in the north sea and the Baltic and

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there, you know, weather patterns can be very, very different.

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you know, you can have strong winds and storm.

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It can be really cold in the north sea.

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You also have a lot of, shallows, so you can be really far off

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shore and steel hit send back.

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And as a matter of fact, the day before we sailed through that place, a boat

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that we followed on Instagram had, not rights, but they gets trended and

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had to be evacuated from the boats.

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And they had to spend a month at the yard, repairing the boat that had been well, not

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wrecked, but it's trended and damaged on a sandbank far off shore in the north sea.

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But that is not a problem that you're going to encounter in the middle of

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the Atlantic or even the Mediterranean.

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Right?

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So every region of the world come with its risks.

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And the thing with our life is that we're not going to visit, several

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region of the world at the same time.

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So we generally choose one region.

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So that would be either the Mediterranean or the Caribbean, the east coast of the

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United States, or maybe the Pacific.

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And before we go there, we study the risks.

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and, and it, it's very, very different.

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And I know that this is a very vague answer to your question, but for every

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place that we choose to visit, we need to assess what are the different

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risks associated, with this reaching.

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Absolutely.

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And do you have to have a, what about self defense?

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Do you have to consider that too?

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No, not yet.

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So self-defense against, yeah.

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We know friends that have crossed the red sea and they hired mercenaries to

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protect the boats in case of problems, because this region is known for piracy.

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I heard that it's getting better now, but we're not interested in going there.

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So we haven't really thought about it ourselves.

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Other friends of ours, sail to an island called . Does that ring a bell?

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No.

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Okay.

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So this fall Bard is a big island north of Norway.

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So it's referring to some TV show here or something.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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It's just friend of ours sailing.

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And when you go to , what you need to defend yourself against are polar bears.

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So when you go to small bar, you need to have a rifle

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because you need to defend yourself against polar bear.

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And again, you know, it goes back to, where in the world are you going

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to sail and travel and explore?

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And what are the risks associated with that?

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But typically, you know, in the regions that we sail we're safe.

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So we never really had to think about it.

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Right.

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What about food?

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How do you handle food?

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Like, like I said, you don't always have, you don't always have access to shopping.

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What are some considerations there?

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Do you fish a lot or,

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we do fish though.

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It also depends, you know?

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Okay.

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Talking about risks again, but in the Caribbean, there is a

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toxin in fish in reef fish.

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That's called a cigarette Tara and the cigarette.

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Tara is not a disease that you want to get.

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It attacks your, your immune system and the symptoms can be really, terrible and

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also lifelong it's like, you can get, see whatever I want and be impacted for life.

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And because there are fewer resources in the Caribbean to

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study the toxin and the disease.

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it's very difficult to know what fish are safe or not.

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It's in the Caribbean Ryan and I decided that we were not going to

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eat fish because we just don't know.

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And we want to eliminate that risk.

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Now when we cross the Atlantic and we go, like anywhere else, where you

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spent a lot of time fishing and we love eating our own fish, it's really fun.

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it's both entertaining and very tasty.

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but what we do on the boats in terms of, of the food is, well, first off, we

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had to learn to provision and to always keep a stock of food that we can have.

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So when COVID hits people, rated supermarkets, to buy canned food

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and toilet paper, well, we were already really well-stocked.

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and the other thing that happens is that we get to learn about

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local foods and local cultures.

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So we go to the local markets, the farmer's markets and the supermarkets,

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and we look at what's vulnerable and what we can do with that.

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And it's such a fun part of our lifestyle.

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so I've, in Italy, I learned to make really good pizza and you

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know, what makes with pizza?

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in Spain, we were doing a lot of different hams and a lot of tapas, you know,

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in the Caribbean, it was a little bit different because food supply, there is

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not as abundant as it is in, in Europe, but generally where we go, we, we tried

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the local food and it's really fun.

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That's amazing.

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That's amazing.

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So you not only get to explore locations, but also the food,

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it's like a gastro tourism.

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That's awesome.

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Oh,

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oh, absolutely.

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And, right now we are in the A's doors.

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I mean, the boat is in the source, which is a part of Portugal.

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Our next destination is Madeira.

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And if you want a food and wine destination, Portugal is fantastic.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Madeira Madeira wine, pour twine, you know, really being in Portugal.

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Fantastic.

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and the food and the seafood in Portugal is really diverse

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and surprising and incredible.

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I love it.

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so yeah, you want to eat and drink Portugal?

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Is there a place?

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I love it.

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So Sophie, you know, I'm sold, I'm like, I'm ready.

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Where do I sign?

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Tell me how do I get started?

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Just, just wait until I tell you how you have to flush the toilet

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on the boat and we'll see if you're still excited about it.

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And I don't want to hear about that.

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That's so cool.

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I'll learn about it later now, but seriously, like, I mean, this is

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so exciting, like hearing, hearing about this lifestyle that you and

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Ryan leaf, and I'm sure there's a bunch of people listening right now.

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They're kind of thinking the same, like me right now.

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I'm like, this is actually something I w I wouldn't mind

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to do, you know, even if it was.

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And we've got, you know, me and my wife, we've got a nine months old sounds.

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So it would be, I guess, a bit more tricky with a kid, but, maybe, maybe not.

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maybe you can tell me that

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you would be surprised how many people sail with babies and toddlers and kids.

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Yeah.

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Well, okay.

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There you go.

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So yeah, I could definitely see myself, like, you know, talk my wife up to it

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and maybe in a couple of years to do it.

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So, and on the same token, there probably a bunch of other people listening.

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So what would be, I don't say a blueprint because everyone's circumstances are

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different, but obviously the biggest thing is the, is, is the investment.

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Like you need to buy a boat.

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So what are some of the consideration?

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Will that be the first thing to start with?

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I would say before you even buy a boat, because there are so many different

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types of boats that you can buy, right.

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It'd be like buying a house.

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Where do you buy the house?

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How big is it going to be?

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How comfortable is it going to be?

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Is it going to be a house that you have to completely overhaul?

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Or is it a house that's, you know, turnkey?

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So you have to consider all those things.

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So my biggest step for somebody who wants to do what we did and it starting

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from scratch is first learn how to sail, go on different boats, you know, go on

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boats that you are interested in, you know, the type of boats that you would

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want to buy and try to try as many different boats as you possibly can.

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And build up a little bit of experience sailing because changing.

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Lifestyle from going from land-based to sailing full time.

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Is it so much more difficult when you have no idea how to sail?

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We've known people who've done it.

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Absolutely.

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You know, it exists, but that is personally not what I would choose to do.

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Because it would be so difficult.

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So, so yeah, if you want to buy a boat before buying a boat, I would

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recommend trying different boats, like actually go out and sail with them.

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go to boat shows, find your crowd, find people like me and Ryan, you know,

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we're, we're not unique or so many different people leaving on boats.

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So, so find those people and ask questions.

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the sailing community is super open and, you know, always very helpful.

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so yeah.

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And then once you figure out what is it you like about those different boats

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and what type of budgets you have to buy your boats and what you expect out of

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the boat that you are going to buy then?

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Yeah.

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Go for it.

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And also, what about, what about the planning?

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Like how would somebody decide, you know, how long, how long am I going for?

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How long am I going to do this lifestyle for it?

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Is that, is there something that you can like plan for

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it or how did you guys do it?

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Did you say to yourself we're going to do it for five years?

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We'll get, we'll get back to

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and though there are two ways of doing it three ways.

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I mean, it's very flexible.

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it sounds like we have our shit figured out and it's just not the case, but a lot

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of people will save for many years so that they can do this for one or two years.

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And when Ryan and I get started, we initially thought that we were

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going to get ourselves remote jobs.

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And then we were going to try it, try the lifestyle for 60.

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Oh, that was three years ago.

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So that worked well for us.

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So, no today our, she loves it.

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She is, we're going to do it for as long as we think that it's fun.

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And as long as we can afford it, but we know that a lot of other people are more,

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okay, we're going to do this for one year.

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And those are the places that we will be visiting over the course of the

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one year, where a lot more now we'll go over where the wind takes us.

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If this is fun, that we'll stay.

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If this is not fun, that will leave.

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And the day that we feel that we are two tights money-wise or,

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which is not enjoyed any more than we'll just constantly stopping.

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But we're far

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from that, I did get to that point.

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What is the resell value typically on boats?

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Is that that's another thing to consider, right?

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As well.

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Like if you're going to do these, if you, if you, you know, that you have.

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And then an end date to it.

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Like if you only going to do it for a year or two, I'm not sure

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about bullets, but I'm like, it's not like a real estate houses.

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The goes up, I would assume the boats, the values going down, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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You have to think of it more like a car, you know, it also boats break.

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So the value of your boat can dramatically decrease if you've

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had, you know, a grounding with it.

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but it can also increase if you add equipment to it.

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So the boat is a terrible investment.

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You know, you buy a boat.

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you're not going to make money.

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You have, you buy a boat because you were getting something out of it, right.

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And maybe, hopefully you can get your capital back.

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I will say something interesting that it's happening in a boat market

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these days, that everybody wants to buy boats, COVID-19 has made

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the book market absolutely explode.

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And it's actually really hard and difficult to find sell boats these days.

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and when I look at the prices, I'm like, are you serious?

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Like that much money for that kind of boat?

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so yeah, absolutely unbeknownst to us and due to circumstances, the value of our

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boat is actually increased in the last year and a half, but it's, it's, it starts

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to physical and absolutely temporary.

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Yeah, that's what I was going to say.

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It's just a short window.

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And if you didn't want it to, you'd have to do it now.

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It goes, that demand's going to drop again.

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So, what about COVID how did you guys do of that?

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Did you have to, was it, was it something, you know, regulate, like,

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was there something by government for, for, for the, for the boat people?

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Or was it kind of like, just like, where were you parking?

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I mean, docking, and then you had to kind of ally over those local rules and,

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oh man, that's a, that's another Pandora box, but, so how well you fared during

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COVID 19 during the pandemic and the lockdowns, really, depending on where you

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were, what country you were in and down to the city that you were at, and right.

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And I did not win the lottery on that one.

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because you know, both people are an afterthoughts, right?

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Like we were tourists technically, but during confinements and

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lockdowns, there were not supposed to be any tourists anywhere.

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Right.

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and on top of that.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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so we were not locals, but also, you know, we had certain needs

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because of the nature of what we do and needs that the local government

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sometimes had a hard time addressing.

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So, for example, in a 2020, you know, dependent make started in March, that's

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when we started seeing all this big lock downs and travel restrictions everywhere.

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We were in St.

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Martin in the Caribbean, which sounds absolutely lovely and gorgeous.

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but the reality of the experience was very, very different.

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We were stuck in an inland lagoon, which sounds lovely, but that's where

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all the sewage of the island went.

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So it was everything, but crystal clear blue.

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and we couldn't go out because to get in that inland lagoon, you had to go

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through bridges and because of the lockdown, those bridges were not operated.

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So we were effectively stuck.

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Now, St.

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Martin was hit by hurricane Irma in 2017.

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So they were wrecks all around us on top of, you know, sewage.

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so it was not a Preti landscape.

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It's not the coconut trees and the white Sandy beach.

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also for us, it was a 45 minutes Deany ride to go to shore to

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the grocery store because it was forbidden for us to put the dinghy

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anywhere else, but designated, docks.

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So for us going to shore was extremely difficult.

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so we stayed most of the time on board.

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And then on top of that, we were also surveilled by the police.

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You know, the first time that we saw the police coming on anchor,

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we thought that they were here to protect us because during Irma,

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there was a lot of looting in St.

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Martin and we were getting, we were a bit afraid, you know, that's with everything

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locked down and the boat being effectively locked in the lagoon, they would

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start to be some robberies happening.

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But the police was not here to, to make sure that we were okay.

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They were here to make sure that we were not going on other people's boats.

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They were counting dinghy is at the back of each book.

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And so the entire atmosphere was just completely surreal.

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also very quickly there were, COVID death on boats in the Anchorage, when

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one man and his wife, get infected and he had to be repatriated to the

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United States and, subsequently died.

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And so, you know, the atmosphere in the Anchorage, in the boat community,

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which are the only people that we talked to because we're completely

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disconnected from the locals.

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It was very tense.

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It was very anxious.

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and on top of that, it's because, you know, no problem happens alone.

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we had hurricane season coming and hurricane season came very early in 2020.

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So, and, and we had nowhere to go because borders were closed.

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There was no where

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first.

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So you could not just like undock and go to somewhere else.

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No, not allowed.

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So, so later leisure, cruising pleasure.

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Cruising was forbidden during the lockdown in San Martin.

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And so we couldn't even move our boats.

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We couldn't change.

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I encourage that changed thankfully, back in may, April or

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may I believe so we could escape.

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We, we were eventually able to leave the lagoon and feel a little more free,

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but, but apart from that, no, we had, we had nowhere to go because borders were

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shots and hurricane season was coming.

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So it was a bit nerve wracking for a moment.

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So you say in April, so April last year, not this year, you

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were in there for holiday?

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no, Becky in April, we were unlocked down again, but this time in Bonaire,

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which was a very different experience.

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but yeah, we we've been confined on board two times now.

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Hmm.

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How about that?

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Just you and your partner on a boat, always, you know, just that same person.

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Do you ever get, you know, like that submarine, they call it submarine

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disease, like, you know, just, you don't get to see anybody else you,

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do you ever go mad from, from,

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I think that we live in a permanent state of submarine disease.

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No, of course.

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You know, it's, it's very, it's very difficult to live with

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your partner, 24 7 all the time.

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And it's only the two of you, you know, there is no, I'm going to

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go have a beer with my friends.

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And I'll see you later, or I'm going to go to work and I'll talk to my

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colleagues all day and I'll see you later.

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You know, there is none of that.

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We spend all of our time together, which creates tensions, obviously,

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because we're not always the best versions of ourselves, let's face it.

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and also in our lives, we have to feel all the roles for each other.

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You know, like when you look at your life, you have, your friends that are

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your confidence, and then maybe you have a therapist or you have a friend

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that ex therapists, you have a problem with, you know, like a health problem.

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You go to the doctor or a nurse, you know, we are everything for each other.

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We are coworkers, doctor.

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That's when we actually need medical attention.

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We, we go to a professional healthcare provider, right.

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But I'm, I'm the first line nurse.

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we are therapists, psychologists.

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We are confidence.

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We are also, coworkers, you know, on the boat.

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When we take the boat from point a to point B, we are effectively

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working together sometimes with the YouTube channel.

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We also work together.

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and, and we do all that in 15 square meters of very small space, a

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space that moves, so that we're not always, we're not always friends.

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Let's put it this way.

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All in all.

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Would you say that your relationship is even stronger as a result of doing

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this experience than it would be?

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Absolutely.

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this lifestyle really tests the resilience of your relations.

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It is very, very, very difficult.

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There are days that I want to leave the boat.

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There are days right.

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And wants to leave the boat.

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but we have learned that for stuff we need to be kind to our

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relationship in terms of accepting that sometimes it's going to go south.

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and we have learned to take a step back and, and deal with our conflicts.

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And so when you survive, I'm going to quote unquote survive.

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But when you go through all of these things together, at the end of the

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day, you go to land and you're like, I could not do life with somebody else

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because we can go through so much.

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And at the same time, knowing that we have each other's back, you know, and how

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many people on earth are there, that you are going to be able to travel the world

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on the tiny little cell, but with, for multiple years, probably not that many.

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And if you can do that can probably do a lot.

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So, yeah,

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that's amazing.

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Sometimes he drives me nuts, but I still love him very, very deeply.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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That's awesome.

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I think you're totally right.

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Like, I mean, in any relationship, if, if you, if you've gone through some

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tough time together, whether it be on a bottle, w w whatever circumstances

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by overcoming those challenges together, truly belief, that's what

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makes your relationship stronger.

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And, and if you've got something that you, you, you can relate, you can

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come back to those memories together.

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And, and I think your whole relationship becomes, more enriched and deep, not

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just, some kind of a shallow, you know, dating thing that somebody that

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you see once a week and whatever.

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Yeah.

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So this is great.

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I have to say that I make it sound like we're making it work and it's easy,

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but, one thing that we have in our lives that has been absolutely instrumental.

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To Ryan and I, working together is our couples counselor.

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we started seeing a couple counselor before we moved on to vote for something

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completely unrelated because you know, Ryan is American, I'm French.

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We live in Sweden and we don't have family in Sweden.

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And we felt that we needed to talk to somebody who could

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help us work out something.

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And we ended up, we've been working with her for five years now.

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So she's been in our lives for a very long time and moving on the boat, you

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know, having that card that we can play when we feel that we're stuck,

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no, we're stuck in a discussion in a conflict or disagreement.

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And we're like, all right, well, let's bring it up in, in therapy.

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Let's call Veronica.

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Our therapist's name is Veronica.

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and knowing that you're going to be working it out, working the

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problem out that there is an outlet.

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It really is, is the pressure at a level that is incredible.

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And you know, it's not Dawn yet.

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Like you still have to actually work it.

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But knowing that there is a willingness on both sides to work it out is just, wow.

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And that's the first step that willingness, because you might have a

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conflict, you might have a different point of view to your partner.

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And yet at the end of the day, you just need to sometimes bring, bring in that

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mediator that, that, that somebody in the middle who can listen to both sides

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and help you kind of both meet, meet halfway and then, and then happy days.

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And while, and while you talk through the problem, you cannot sound like an asshole.

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If you have to be civilized

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and there's a third person you have to be at and respectful and all that.

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Yeah.

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That's.

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Awesome.

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Well, Sophie, that was, well, thank you so much for sharing all this

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and sharing with our listeners.

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you know, I was, I was really excited to have you on the show

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today and, and, you know, share this whole lifestyle of the bus.

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And, yeah.

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So thank you for that.

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now on the parting of this episode today, what would be top three key

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takeaways that you'd like our listeners to walk away with after listening?

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Okay.

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Three takeaway, first off, if you are listening to this podcast and you're

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thinking about lifestyle change, you know, it can be moving on a sailboat, or as I

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said, moving on to far or moving abroad, starting to travel, quitting your job

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to start your own business, you know, whatever it is that you have in mind at

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the time that you were listening to this, explore it, take the time to explore it.

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And then the second thing would be acting on.

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And it doesn't mean that you need to go from one to the other and, and do that

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thing that you're thinking about, but it's taking small commitments towards

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that vision that you have, and it doesn't need to be, I'm going to quit my job

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tomorrow, but it can be, I'm going to, I'm going to commit to meeting other

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people that are doing what I do and, and take their opinions, you know,

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small commitments towards your vision.

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And then the third thing is really ask yourself, you know, when you're

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old, what is the story that you want to tell about your life?

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You know, do you want to tell the story of how you continue to do something?

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Or do you want to tell the story of how you tried this thing that you had, you

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know, a vision off and maybe it works, maybe it didn't, but you've tried it.

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so yeah, those would be, if you're listening to this, this,

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those are my three takeaways.

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Thank you so much.

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Absolutely.

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You don't want to live a life of regrets at the end.

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I mean, I mean, you don't want to have regrets at the end when, when

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you, when you, when you reflect back on your life, absolutely

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Real stories, not regrets,

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Real stories, not regrets

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I love it.

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Awesome.

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So, Sophie amazing.

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Thank you so much for being on the show for those guys listening.

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makes you go check out Ryan and Sophie's, YouTube channels.

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That's Ryan Sophie.

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That's actually youtube.com forward slash there's a C there.

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Okay.

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Let's just go.

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Connie YouTube and look up Ryan, Sophie sailing.

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there's also a website you can go to, which is ryanandsophie.com in one word.

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we can find out more about their, their, latest adventures and, yeah.

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And that's it guys.

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So thank you.

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and once again, thank you, Sophie.

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I appreciate you jumping on and, I know you had to sort of get into

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a co-working space to jump on this zoom with me so we can record it.

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So appreciate that.

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And for those guys listening, thank you for listening for today's episode

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