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Finding The Outcomes of DEI with Lily Zheng
Episode 22nd June 2023 • Communicate Like You Give A Damn • Kim Clark
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What is our DEI strategy achieving? Communicators need to be able to answer this question and Lily Zheng, DEI Strategist, Author and Consultant, tells all to Kim Clark on everything we need to consider when guiding leaders through effective DEI work that produces measurable outcomes. Lily is on a mission to help differentiate DEI activities and initiatives from real actionable long-term processes that aim to create accountability for those looking for genuine change. This episode is jam packed with gems from both Lily and Kim as they also take a deep dive into Lily’s book, DEI Deconstructed: Your No-Nonsense Guide to Doing the Work and Doing it Right, which serves as a guide for refining the way to a new North Star in the world of DEI.

Learn more about Lily Zheng’s books:

  • Reconstructing DEI: A Practitioner’s Workbook - available for pre-order here
  • DEI Deconstructed: Your No-Nonsense Guide to Doing the Work and Doing it Right - purchase here


LILY ZHENG (they/them) is a no-nonsense Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion strategist, consultant, and speaker who helps organizations and leaders achieve the DEI outcomes they aspire to. A dedicated practitioner and advocate named a Forbes D&I Trailblazer, 2021 DEI Influencer, and LinkedIn Top Voice on Racial Equity, Lily's work has been featured in the Harvard Business Review, New York Times, and NPR. They are the author of Gender Ambiguity in the Workplace (2017), The Ethical Sellout (2019), DEI Deconstructed: Your No-Nonsense Guide to Doing the Work and Doing it Right (2022) and most recently, Reconstructing DEI: A Practitioner's Workbook (release fall of 2023).  Lily holds an MA in Sociology and BA in Psychology from Stanford University. They live with their wife in the San Francisco Bay Area and can frequently be found putting together yet another all-black outfit and enjoying good Chinese food. 


About Kim:

Kim Clark (she/her) focuses her work on the communicator and content creator's role in diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI). She is the co-author of The Conscious Communicator: The fine art of not saying stupid sh*t, an Amazon #1 bestseller and the leading voice for DEI communications and social justice messaging for brands.

She speaks at conferences, writes custom workshops, writes inclusive communications guides, and consults with companies on all things related to diversity, equity, and inclusion communications. Kim is a member of the LGBTQ+ community, a cisgender woman, Native American (Muscogee Nation) and a mom of two kids with disabilities. These marginalized identities and the privileges that come with society seeing her as White motivate her daily for social change.

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