Join Laura and Xhafer, two internet strangers as they get to know each other while making jokes about one of their favorite TV shows from their childhood, Babylon 5.

Laura and Xhafer take a quiz to find out who from Babylon 5 best represents them. Meanwhile, a mysterious stranger arrives on B5 claiming to be King Arthur and Garibaldi embraces his inner Ron Swanson as he takes on the Post Office in Babylon 5, Season 3 Episode 13: A Late Delivery from Avalon.

Hello and welcome to, who Are You?

It's a Babylon five watch cast by a couple of former strangers, now

friends who are continuing to get to know each other over one of their

favorite shows from their childhood.

Babylon.

Five.

I'm Laura,

And I'm Jafe

and today I get to ask Jafa, who are you from?

Babylon five.

That's right.

We're gonna do a quiz.

we're doing quiz time again?

It's been a little while.

We found another one.

Last time We did.

Uh, What was it?

Something about cuisine?

Yeah, it was, who are you from?

Bevel five.

Based on your food choices, I think.

Yeah,

This one is just a lot more generic.

I have not taken this yet.

I did not like preemptively take it.

It's 20 questions.

And the link is gonna go in our discord.

So you'll see it there if you are already part of our discord.

If not, you should join our discord.

if maybe one of our, one of our Discord friends wants to reply and put it up

there on the tweet before I get a chance to, because I promise I'm gonna forget.

I would really appreciate you.

So.

My first question is, have you ever shoplifted.

Oh man.

I mean, when you're kids, you do stupid stuff, right?

Yeah, I have accidentally shoplifted a couple of times, I'm sure.

Sometimes like when I'm getting a couple things, I might put something in my pocket

and then forget to check out with it.

Um, I'm sure this has happened.

I can't recall a specific instance.

It's not something I aim to do, but it's something that's definitely happened.

I do recall one particular instance from my childhood where I shoplifted

uh, not intentionally again.

I was at Best Buy with my mom and we were buying a bunch of stuff.

And I had a Cowboy Bebo DVD in the cart that got totally missed and we

got out of there and my mom's like, shopliftings wrong, but we just

dropped like $700 in this Best Buy.

We're not going back in for 20 bucks.

Man, you can't do that at Best Buy these days.

They got everything locked down inside of Best Buy.

yeah.

Yeah.

I'm gonna go with, I'm sure I have Miss Rung something at self checkout.

You know, like when you're scanning your produce and you're supposed to

select what type of produce it is.

I know I've mis rung something there, so let's

A hundred percent.

Okay.

So we have the choices.

I have before, but I know it's wrong.

Yep.

Still do and never have.

Never will.

So I gotta go with, I have, I guess

Yeah, same.

All right.

What gives you fuel in the morning?

Energy.

Drink tea, water, coffee.

I am a coffee drinker.

I wish I could be a coffee drinker.

I love coffee, but I'm a tea drinker.

My girlfriend is about to go spend two weeks in Hawaii with her

family and I, the, my very strict instruction was a hundred percent Kona.

You gotta bring me back some pure Hawaiian coffee.

The Kona blends we get here are nowhere near as good.

Okay.

Number three.

You're in a group project and one group member is extremely bossy.

What do you do?

Hmm?

Confront them in private.

Call them out on it in front of everybody, silently brewed and do your own thing.

Secretly.

I am the group member that is extremely bossy

Yeah.

I was gonna say, I don't know what this is.

Like

That's, I've been in groups where I've silently bred

because it was not worth arguing.

I've been in groups where I thought my, if I feel like my grade was at risk in

the group project in school I would.

Say something if I didn't think my grade was at risk, like I wouldn't do it this

way, but I'm, you, you know, clearly you have a good grade in this class.

I'm just gonna let you run the thing.

Won't argue with it.

So I've done both.

I've never confronted in private though.

Yeah.

This one's tough.

It's very contextual.

Yeah.

I'm gonna go with, call them out in front of everybody because statistically

that is probably my most common answer,

Mm-hmm.

But it's, it does very much depend on the situation.

I have definitely done silent brood, but I think that.

I am now confronting private person.

Like I would try to try to let them save face publicly a little

bit and keep it private, but it really depends on the context.

All right.

Question four.

You unintentionally say something hurtful in a conversation.

What do you do?

Ignore it.

Who said it was unintentional?

Apologize profusely.

oh man.

. Xhafer: Um, you apologize.

You apologize.

We're both apologize.

I mean, my Midwestern won't let me walk 10 minutes without saying sorry to something.

I see.

I apologize to potholes.

So like it's Of course I'm gonna apologize.

definitely.

what character flaws do you hate the most?

Dishonesty, authoritarianism or egocentrism.

I'm gonna go with dishonesty.

I hate that

I dislike dishonesty, and I will, I will not respect

someone for dishonesty occasion.

There's context with dishonesty, but with authoritarianism,

Mm.

Okay.

gonna fly with me, never.

Yeah.

Would you consider yourself a responsible person?

Some, sometimes.

By whose definition And yes, vary y Yes.

I am the responsible one in, I am literally called the dad friend

with, without even having kids.

Uh, I'm the dad.

I have friends who are actual parents who have called me the dad friend,

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm gonna have to go with sometimes because my husband edits this

podcast and he will know the truth.

Cuz there are some things I'm very responsible with.

I'm a very responsible accountant for one thing.

Am I a very responsible, just like general adult?

I don't know about that.

sometimes you're driving and a semi-truck going full speed misses you by an inch.

How do you feel?

Totally freaked out, man.

It didn't hit me, so it doesn't matter.

Slightly freaked out, but mostly fine.

No, I'm, I'm freaked out.

That's, that's easy.

this, this has almost, I almost died like this actually when

I was a senior, so my dad bought me a car so I could drive my sister to school

so she wouldn't have to take the bus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I was driving it and I had taken her to a concert for her birthday

and it was the winter and we spun out on some black ice on the expressway and

my car was perpendicular to the road.

So we're sideways and cars are coming.

towards the side of us and we slowly drifted back into the, the median as

roads are designed to push things as a semi just barreled right in front of us.

Yep.

And I was a little freaked out, but mostly fine.

Some parallel universe me died and now there's less of me when I get jet.

Lead the one.

So I'm here for it.

Complete this sentence.

I blank.

Put the needs of others before my own.

Never, often, sometimes,

I mean, that's another, sometimes for me

um,

my therapist has yelled at me for doing this too much.

I don't know.

I don't feel that's particularly accurate, but that's the whole

point of going to therapy.

So maybe

true.

That's true.

I was gonna say, I mean, I think as far as women go, because women

are very socialized to do this.

Yes.

Like in, at least in our culture, . Well, most sculptures I think, but we're

socialized to put everybody else first.

I think if you're pulling me on a scale against my peers that I have improved

on this and maybe I don't do it as much as some others, so I'm gonna go with the

sometimes instead of often this time.

Okay.

I feel like the exact opposite is a man.

I'm told to almost never do this by society and I feel

like I do it very, very often.

Uh, but not too often.

That would be too much, but once again, I will listen to my therapist

outside objective advice is important.

Yeah.

Would you say you are a leader or a follower?

More of A follower, definitely a leader.

I don't like to do either.

I prefer to be left alone.

I'm, I'm a leader.

That's, yeah.

tend to, Lead.

Lead things.

Yeah.

one of the great joys of my life is helping people become

better versions of themselves.

Yeah.

And that's not something you do by sitting on the sidelines.

I don't know that I could say something that altruistic or noble.

I just tend to rush at things and people come with me.

other people are a kind of annoying, sometimes B, possibly new

friends, companions, family, et cetera.

C pawns,

can it be A and B?

I, I'm not a C person at all.

I don't look at the world that way, but I, I can definitely see both A and B.

Yeah.

I mean, I'm

Probably lean more toward B,

I'm definitely a b I'm an extrovert.

Yeah.

I'm interested in people, even if they do get on my nerves on occasion.

What do you think your greatest strengths are?

Being honest.

Being kind.

Being selfless?

Yeah.

Not the selfless.

I do tend to be kind, but again, I think that's the socialization of women thing,

Hmm.

But I, I think I'm very good at being honest and I think as that's one

of my career strengths as well, so.

Yeah.

Of these three I think I have to go selfless.

Not that I lie particularly often but I do enjoy a good ruse

I'm

not good.

at bruises.

and a good prank.

You know, the, the, the long, the long term joke on friends is something

that me and my group of friends will do to each other quite often.

And sometimes that doesn't involve being perfectly honest

with each other all the time.

Uh, It's . Not, it's not from a place of malice.

You know, it's from a place of creating joy later.

So, I, I don't think I can put honest, and I know that I have

been outright mean to people.

People have been outright mean to me.

I don't hold against anyone, so I think I gotta go selfless here.

All right.

What is your greatest weakness?

You put a lot of emotion into things.

You put other people's wants and needs before your own, or you tend

to be a little bit of a pushover.

I do not feel like a is a weakness, Mr.

Quiz?

I mean, for me it is sometimes I have to go with a definitely

because sometimes I cannot get that emotion under control when,

when I need to be more functional.

So

Fair.

I mean, if it, if it is emotional, if it is emotion to the point of harming your

your functionality, then I suppose that would be too much emotion into things.

But I feel like that's a phrase that gets thrown around a lot, especially

towards women in our society.

Yeah.

It's kind of a weapon against us a lot.

Yeah, it's shitty.

It's real . Shitty.

This is something I've had conversations with my mom about.

My, my mom is a very emotional person and also, you know, she's

considered a pushover . As well.

When a pushover probably isn't a pushover, you're probably just not being a dick

Mm-hmm.

most of the time.

I don't like any of these answers.

I think for men too, it's like I know lots of very emotional men at work.

Their emotion is anger

uh, okay.

Uh, uh, I, I, I was not talking about, you can definitely put

too much anger into things.

yeah, but I'm, I'm just saying like, you know, women get criticized all

the time for being emotional, but it's

like they're just as emotional.

They've just got one that's socially acceptable for them, and that is anger.

So

Yeah.

Which

of the following do you fear the most?

Closed spaces.

Insects or bugs or public speaking?

. Well, we know which one.

It's not

Yeah.

If you have a podcast, you're not allowed to pick public speaking.

right?

Um, And, and due to my recent experience trapped on a train in

London, I know it's not closed spaces.

I'm not a closed spaces person.

I, I'm really not that bothered by insects or bugs anymore

since like my son's so into them.

I have a bit of a irrational fear about putting my hand someplace

where I can't see where it is, like my foot underneath a sofa or like

in between the cushions and my, like the car seats or something, you know?

And like a scorpion getting me.

Yeah.

Like, oh, something's gonna come and get me.

And I'd like to say that this fear is completely irrational, but I've,

I've been attacked by a scorpion.

Yeah.

And then I have also encountered in real life a black widow spider.

Yeah, me too.

So the fear of respect, but fear, nevertheless.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I think I'm gonna, I'm gonna go with insects or bugs because snakes

and heights are not on the list.

those are my two things.

All right.

Someone tries flirting with you, but you're in a serious relationship.

How do you handle it?

Hmm.

A, just ignore them and hope they get the message.

B, shut them down quickly and avoid them the rest of the night.

C immediately turn them down and tell your, so what happened?

I'm noticing D isn't here, which is not realize you're being flirted with,

accidentally flirt with them back and then realize what happened six years later when

you wake up in the middle of the night.

that's the most realistic option.

Yeah.

Of these bad options.

I think I would just pick a, just ignore them and hope they

get the message, because that's what we're taught to do as women.

Again,

Yeah,

don't make them angry, you know,

fair enough, I I would definitely if someone was flirting to the point of

this is clearly more than just a casual kind of thing, I would definitely be

like, Hey, sorry no, I will go with C

in your group of friends, you're usually, oh, we get four choices now.

A the storyteller, B, the planner.

C, the comic relief.

D, the adventurer.

As the person who makes Facebook events for their parties

three months in advance so everyone can make sure their plans align.

I think I have to go with the planner.

Yeah.

I don't think I'm the planner.

I don't think I'm that funny, so I'm probably not the comic relief.

I'm not that adventurous.

But I do talk a lot.

I'm probably the storyteller.

What kind of TV show makes you feel better?

Reality, thriller comedy.

it's not reality for me.

No, I abor reality television and I don't like thriller TV shows.

At least not I have to be in a mood.

Right?

They don't make me feel better if I, like, feel bad, you

yeah.

What would you do if someone dropped a $50 bill while walking

on the street in front of you?

Stop the person and give it back.

Seriously.

Try to find the person, but keep it if you can't or just leave it.

A implies that B is not

right, right.

A A implies that you know who it is, but B says maybe you don't.

If you can just stop the person, but you, you seriously try

to find them, but you'd keep it.

Well, yeah.

I mean, I would seriously try to find them, but if I can just stop the person,

they're right in front of me, I'm just gonna give them their $50 back.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Same.

someone spills coffee all over themselves.

You laugh and keep walking, snicker at yourself, but offer to help quickly grab

some napkins and help clean them off.

Oh, I'm, I'm getting those napkins.

I've seen enough babies puke in my house to know that I'm

grabbing paper towel immediately.

It, it sucks.

Everybody's had this happen.

Do something nice.

Yeah.

How would you deal with someone you're at odds with publicly?

Call them out, bring up your concerns and try to hear them out.

Try your best to ignore them and just do you, and it's, it's the context thing.

Yeah.

Someone I'm at odds with implies that I'm not ignoring them

like they're part of my life.

If they're part of my life and there's something wrong, I'm

gonna talk to them about it.

Yeah.

and probably not publicly, unless it is something that requires

public shaming, which is few and far between, but is a thing

depending on, you know, them saying stupid shit or something.

yeah.

Sometimes you gotta go for public shame.

All right, last question.

Pick a word that best describes you.

Considerate, compassionate, and friendly.

Hmm.

. Those are three very similar choices to me.

They are what makes this easy for me is I try to be considerate.

I try to be compassionate.

I don't try to be friendly,

but I have friends, so it must be the thing that is most natural to

me because I'm not trying to do it.

Yeah.

Okay.

I, I think I'm gonna go with compassionate because I do feel

like I see other people's point of view very easily all the time.

And sometimes I do have to try to be friendly.

Just depends.

All right, let's find out who we are.

All right.

You wanna go first?

I got veer.

No.

Yep.

So did I.

We had a handful of similar answers.

Also, this might be one of those quizzes where if you don't pick all of the, I

am the master manipulator and the world is my pge, then you just get veer.

It is B.

Maybe veer and alando are the only options.

Yeah.

We're gonna need everybody to go and do this quiz

Yep.

cuz we need to know how many more veers are out there

or if there's any other choices.

Well, I mean, veer is not the worst character to be, right?

He's we just saw him do some great things in that last episode.

We just have veer on the brain from the last episode.

Quite possible.

Yeah.

What are we gonna get on our brain in this episode?

We have King Arthur.

We're going to talk some King Arthur.

We have season three, episode 13, a late delivery from Avalon.

Yes.

Now this episode, Michael York, the guest star, we'll talk

about him when he gets here, but I did read a lot of stuff and the one

thing I have to point out is that J m s brought his cabaret laser disc to

the set and had Michael York sign it.

I

want the cabaret laser disc.

Oh my god.

I think my dad still has his laser disc player.

Yes.

I read that and I'm like, that has to be the first

thing I say about this episode.

the second

thing,

Listener.

I've talked in the past a bit about my history and my knowledge

and my passion of sword fighting.

There's sword fighting in this episode, which means I'm a

nerd out about Swords Bunch.

So hope you're ready for that.

There's your content warning right there.

Jafa.

Gotta talk about swords, Yeah.

So we open with the transport Asimov coming through the jump gate.

Uh, this is like one of the first earth transports in months it seems like.

Yeah.

They call out.

It's the first one since they declared their independence.

And so we get, we get a handful of things that are kind of set off by this.

I would say our C plot is set off by this with packages arriving.

But also our alot, but we start with the C here.

Um, After a quick mention of our blot, which is they need more than

the mbar protecting the station, and then we go to the post office,

Yes.

It's the post office episode.

prices have gone up.

Garabaldi.

This is why you buy . Forever Stamps.

Get with the game.

It's gonna be a hundred credits for him to get this package

out of Hawk at the post office.

Yeah.

This Postman, did he look familiar to

He does a little, tell me about this Postman.

This is Michael Keegan and he is a guest star on your favorite

sitcom that has aired since 1995.

Just whatever it is.

Decent chance he was on it.

From Friends to Desperate Housewives and everywhere in

between, like everything like how I met your mother, Hannah Montana.

He was on four episodes.

He was in Voyage.

He's in all kinds of shit.

Dude has probably the second most impressive CV in this episode, that's

not his fault.

Well, Michael York and this guy

wonderful.

so I had forgotten how this wraps up.

He's great.

He's hilarious.

Rain nor show snow nor Shine, nor alien Invasion, nor Meteor Strike.

Yep.

making Ben Franklin proud.

, Laura: Garibaldi tries to, to tell him

it . From him, but he is not getting it.

When he tells him what's in it, he doesn't give garal to the option

to pay the a hundred credits anymore.

He just, he's like, oh, pepperoni.

Shoves it in back.

Yeah.

Why did Aldi think this was gonna work?

he's just, he's just giving him more reasons to like seize the package and then

sell everything on the black market like

Mm-hmm.

Okay, man.

After this we cut to Michael York.

O b e.

he's having some bad dreams in a endless hallway.

Yeah.

Gray hallway.

so Michael York, obviously very famous actor.

Mm-hmm.

Probably gotta be the most famous guest star on this.

Yeah, I mean, like he, he got an Oscar for Cabaret, right?

Am I making that up?

I have some awards that he's won or been nominated for that

we'll talk about Um, so he filmed this uh, if you're looking at his film career,

he filmed this and a couple of other things in between in between playing

Merlin in a Yankee in King Arthur's

court.

Uhhuh.

And then he would've gone from this to playing Basil

Exposition in Austin Powers.

Yeah.

Trying to list everything he's done is a fool's errand, like

it's just an incredibly massive cv.

I do want to call out his 2001 D V D exclusive awards nomination for

best animated character performance in the land before times seven.

The stone of cold fire, And then of course, who could forget in 2011 his

lifetime achievement award from the Sylvania International Film Festival.

Oh, that's adorable.

I hear once you're invited to that you can keep coming back.

Whether or not they send you another invitation.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's a vampire joke.

get it.

I get it.

Anyway, he grabs a sword in one of the worst ways to theme.

Oh my God.

I was looking at this and I was like, that's obviously a prop sword.

Or you would've hurt yourself very badly.

Well, he probably would've been fine.

So what makes this grabbing of the sword very dangerous is not how or

where he grabs the sword, because those are both correct actually.

Okay.

It's the direction he's coming from that is the problem.

Okay.

Like coming out from under

Exactly.

So swords were typically, well, one, not very sharp.

They didn't really need to be sharp.

That was not their job.

Most swords are not slashing weapons.

They're stabbing weapons.

Yeah.

And when you do slash with them, you slash with the top 33% of the blade.

Right?

So anything past that point was typically not sharpened on purpose so that the

wheeler could grab it in a similar fashion and do a technique that's noticed half

sorting, which is what you do when you're in too close to be able to swing your.

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

So he grabs a sword in the right spot and he uses a

good grip on it when he grabs it.

But the direction is completely wrong because all it takes is the person

holding that sword to yank it the way that it is naturally going to go when you

Yeah.

Yep.

If this sword instead of being downward were up and he were

to grab it like that, that is a,

that's a good maneuver.

That's what you wanna do sometimes.

But yeah.

Sword facts,

There are

So we we grab the sword to theme, and then when we come

back from theme we have Dr.

Franklin and Marcus and down below, and they have got this

mysterious . Illness spreading amongst the people of down below.

And I, I could have sworn Jafa

, but he said Banta flu.

I thought he said Banta flu too.

And I thought

yeah.

Wars joke.

Yeah, me too..

, when you look it up, I guess it's Banta flu.

Yes, I had it with subtitles on uh, so it was spelled correctly for

me, but I did pause and be all like, huh, have to rewind that a little bit.

Roll it back for me.

But apparently this is spreading Franklin's really excited that Marcus

managed to catch this so quickly

because I guess it's not something that, you know, shows a lot of signs

early

It's a flu that generates from mixing alien food and human

food that's fermenting and that's what makes a communicable disease.

It doesn't make one person sick.

It's food sickness that spreads.

This is terrifying.

This is a stomach flu, right?

I mean,

Yeah.

we gotta take away from this

Yeah.

This isn't a respiratory, this is the stomach flu.

this is not pretty.

But he caught it because he saw some people eating out of the garbage.

And

Yeah.

Yeah.

we get a great line here that really defines Marcus as a person,

more so maybe than most of his other actions this episode, which is crazy

cuz it's a very good Marcus episode.

And he comments how he used to wish life were fair until he actually

thought about it and how terrible it would be to know that we deserved every

bad thing that ever happened to us.

Yeah.

This is one of my favorite quotes.

Just like life quotes.

Even

This is like something that you see put up on LinkedIn on like an

inspirational post without attribution,

Uhhuh . And you're like, that's from Babylon.

Five

Yep.

That's actually happened to me.

I've seen the truth of the three Ed sword.

Make the rounds on LinkedIn before

Me too.

and I, every time I see it, I just wanna be like, that's from Babylon.

Five y'all,

Right?

, I've watched this

That's from my show.

Get off my show.

Cheap plug for the podcast,

Exactly.

I'm

right?

, you know what's not on my LinkedIn profile.

Yeah, I've thought about it.

I have my LARPing nonprofit days like nonprofit president

for my LARP club on my LinkedIn profile, and I don't have this.

no,

It's not Slightly embarrassed

a little embarrassed anyway.

A shuttle docks after a brief conversation in med lab and

Michael York walks through the metal detectors in full chain mail

with a sword with the confidence of a boomer holding an expired

coupon, asking for a manager.

Yeah.

I don't mean like a few days here.

This thing is like a year old and he knows what he's doing.

How did

he get onto this transport with this sword?

Does TSA only go one way?

Well maybe

it's an earth transport and maybe, maybe they've got future Second

Amendment stuff and you know, oh, you're going to a non earth colony.

Hope you've got a weapon, you know.

Yeah.

So obviously security, our TSA here at, at bevel on five is not

cool with this they they drug ends.

He brought a sword to a gunfight.

he says his name Arthur Penn Dragon's son of King of the Britains.

And then Marcus jumps in and deescalates without force,

huh?

Huh?

A novel concept.

It is possible

Mm-hmm.

And he has

fantasy,

with him.

right?

He uh, convinces him to go to med lab to get checked out.

We get some quick background lip service that someone's gonna check his DNA

and he talks to Arthur, who can't explain the 1700 year gap in his history,

but he recounts being taken to Ava.

And if he is returned now, it is because when he is here and

now is where he is most needed.

Yeah,

So we know how this ends.

We've watched this episode to be able to record this podcast.

Uhhuh.

I want to pause it something for you.

Okay.

We get the like first line in the next scene.

Is Marcus telling us this is not outside the realm of possibility.

You fucking met Jack the Ripper,

Yes.

Yeah, he did point out that Volans exist.

What if that was the case?

What if Michael York is Arthur?

What if more than that?

He becomes Captain King of Babel on five because this is where he is needed most

and the rest of the series just takes a hard left turn and it is Arthur leading

the armies of light in the shadow.

Oh man,

Like every episode before this, completely unchanged.

Don't do anything different.

And just from here out, it's the Arthur Pendragon in the sci-fi show.

How nineties is that?

That would, that would be so much fun.

It's

I would watch the shit of that, of that show.

I don't know that I'd be hosting a podcast about that show 30 years

later, but I would've watched the

Yeah.

of that show as a kid.

Mm-hmm.

That has to have been a thing, right?

That like reverse Yankee in King Arthur's court.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It, that could have been

That has to, that has to be a thing.

there has to be some inspo in there.

Yeah.

I

internets do our research for us, please.

Yeah.

So we don't know how he got here.

no one seems to, at the, at the, you know, the conference table

where we're discussing that, could he really be a war on,

transplant?

Nobody seems to like go say we should go ask Kosh We're we don't,

we don't even really talk about k.

At all at this point?

Franklin shit's on this super quick, and it's just like, no,

because he's speaking modern English.

If he were truly just awoken and transported, he would not be,

he'd be speaking old English.

Right.

Okay.

All right.

I mean, Sebastian did talk weird.

Yeah.

But not too weird.

But he had also been woken up a number of times and done stuff that was kind of,

that was part of his thing is he was at the end of his penance, not at the start

of it, he had been awoken a number of times to test people throughout history.

So maybe he adapted more.

He had a chance to but this does not like, oh, no, he speaks modern English.

Like dude, once you've played the Arthur Pendragon could be in front of you card.

You don't just get to use his linguistic state as a dismissal.

But all that doesn't matter because, oops, we get a call from Med Lab

and Arthur has escaped somehow because we don't have security in med lab either.

There was literally a security guard posted outside of his room.

, like in the previous scene, they're just hanging out in the shadows.

What happened to those gns?

Those gns were really good at security.

they will be involved in the security in a couple minutes.

Yeah.

But we see Arthur, he's down below and he goes to help in aged old lady,

Kars, picking up some letters from home.

When he hears fighting, he investigates to find Arthur taking on some Fugs

Yeah.

fun sword.

Fact, his . Sword gets called a pig sticker.

Mm-hmm.

This is a historic term for swords.

Swords were

Oh, fun.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

but this is not a sword you would use for bore.

A bore hunting sword.

Traditionally a German bore hunting sword is this vender, which is,

you know, in, if you're a fantasy nerd, it's the giant fucking sword.

It's a six seven foot sword, right?

These things are massive to the point where you didn't swing them.

That's not how you would use a sword.

When bore hunting, what you would do is you'd find a boar, you'd sneak up,

get kind of close, but not too close.

Put the sword point down in the ground, goad the boar into charging you, and

then pivot the sword in front of you so that the boar charged into the sword.

Yeah.

Okay.

Still seems risky.

Lots of risks there

Yeah.

Yeah, it's terrifying.

But that's why you want a seven foot sword.

So that way when you are a little four and a half foot tall, medieval peasant

ass, throws it down in the ground.

Seven foot hypo noose.

This thing is feet in front of you.

Okay.

Well, I don't expect our down below lurkers to be historically

accurate with their terminology

No, but they were,

fun, thing.

Yeah.

maybe he wasn't.

Maybe it's not really that fun.

It's kind of terrifying.

You want some more sword fighting notes?

sure.

So Arthur goes into sword fighting here and is fighting like five dudes.

Mm-hmm.

so a couple things.

The initial strike is a punch to the face between Arthur and the dude with the pipe.

Why are either of you that close?

You shouldn't be within melee, you shouldn't be within punching distance.

You both wanna swing your weapons at each other.

Dumb.

Good thing.

Gotta gotta be in the shot though.

yeah.

Gotta be in the shot for sure.

So he punches the one dude.

He kind of comes around, the dude that's right to his right.

He swings that real quick and kind of gets away.

And then what he, he does a blind swing from behind while rotating.

And what this does is this forces the third dude who's coming up

behind him to back the fuck up.

He doesn't hit him.

This is really good.

This is exactly what you'd want to do here.

You're creating distance.

You have a distance advantage with a sword.

That's the point of the weapon.

You want to use that as much as you can.

Shortly after this, he blind blocks as part of his turn,

but he does it super early.

, right?

Just like he, he throws the sword up behind him and then like the dude starts

to swing at him after his sword is up behind him, you would just not hit the

sword cuz you know where the sword is bad.

One last good thing though.

After that blind block, he steps away and slashes the dude's leg

while moving farther away from him.

Perfect.

This is exactly what you want to do.

You've taken away his mobility and you're moving away from

him removing him as a threat.

When you're fighting multiple people, this is the most important thing is you

want to generate space to be able to fight them one-on-one so that way you don't

have to worry about getting snuck up on

Yeah.

Okay.

Okay.

After this, Kar is a theatrical bitch.

He just jumps into help and is just like I, this is, this

is the moment where we stand.

Kar

Yeah, no, he's got a great sense of dramatic flair and

yeah.

clause

Narn Claw.

Reminder that he's effectively second in command of station security at this point.

Which in turn puts legitimization on Arthur's vigilantism here.

Hmm.

I hadn't thought of it that . Way.

I just thought of it as cool, cool.

Fight between cool guys.

We're with cool guys.

Yeah.

So they take these guys down, we come back from commercial and they

return the lost item to the old lady.

It was a, a gold picture frame.

It was stolen because it was valuable.

I'm air quoting the word

valuable.

metals.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm like, okay, sure.

Meanwhile, Garabaldi is looking for Arthur to, to try to fi or Aldi's sending

his people to try to look for Arthur.

Yeah.

But he's got something else.

Something else to do.

Arthur is getting drunk with Kar on Yuhu

Mm-hmm.

. I was like, what is this?

What is this beverage?

actually.

Yuhu.

Oh, really?

Like confirmed.

Yeah.

Someone asked jms on Usenet and he was all like, oh no, they, we use

real food whenever possible, just cuz the actors have to actually eat it

for their scenes most of the time.

So he notes that like, whenever we see Garabaldi, , they actually brought

in the, the dish, you know, and that they were drinking Yuhoo here.

That's funny.

I was like, is this a big giant black Russian or something like

Oh, that sounds good.

Hm.

Do I have chocolate milk?

Go for it.

I'm gonna figure that out in 30

for your later bubble bath

right?

He nights your car search a the Red Knight.

Mm.

I don't think he gets called this again.

The rest of the series.

I don't

which is

I don't recall.

Right.

He should get at least one more of these

He's the Red knight of my heart.

Garabaldi gets got again, going after his package

instead of doing his job.

oh my God.

Garabaldi, when will you learn

But while he gets got, so does Arthur, this time with

a flashback fighting mbar.

Mm-hmm.

Marcus catches up with Kar and Arthur and lets them know the Fuzz

is looking for them and Kars just all like, fuck that ACAP and then passes out

Jahar Act.

Drunk is my favorite kind of act.

Drunk

Andreas is clearly having a blast filming this episode.

Yes

and also getting to work with Michael York, I'm

sure was a lot of fun for him.

I'm sure.

I mean, This, this would be the most fun episode to work on.

Just in general, I think.

I should have checked if they had done anything together beforehand.

I am unaware.

I did not think to look until just now.

We get a throwaway line here about how uh, Gwen got the nickname The

Green Night was from drinking too much and being sick in the morning.

Mm-hmm.

Chef's kiss that

These are, these are good details.

Yes.

Yeah.

And then uh, we cut to the B five Council.

where the treaty is delivered to the league of not aligned worlds.

Yeah.

So we want, we want the League of Non-line Worlds to all hop up and,

and offer some ships to defense

Mm-hmm.

, Over in me lab Franklin has found the

think he should be told about it.

Franklin doesn't budge and nor should he really he needs to heal from his

delusions to be reset into reality.

Sure.

that's important.

And I think, I don't wanna say it's childish of Marcus.

It's definitely selfish of Marcus,

Mm-hmm.

To want this fantasy to be real.

yeah, yeah.

and also just because his delusions are like cool and useful now

does not mean that they are always going to.

for sure.

Like you know, if we encourage this King Arthur persona king is a powerful

position, , who's to say, that's not gonna go to his head in some way,

for sure.

I just think besides the detriment to the person, it also just logistically

doesn't make sense to continue with it.

And, no,

Even for Marcus's desire,

Yep.

we get his real name, David McIntyre, and we get a bit about his

history, including his participation in the Battle of the Line and his personal

role in starting the Earth, Maari war.

Yeah.

Arthur.

Arthur has been a little bit obsessed over this whole last battle that he was

in and that someone that the battle only started, you know, the two armies were

working out, whatever disagreement they have, I don't know, my R 30 and legends

very well but they were working it out.

But somebody drew a sword to strike a snake, and that was the

sword that stuck, struck the atter that got the two sides fighting.

Well, now we know that the sword that struck the atter was gun ports being open.

Mm-hmm.

the guilt of the war and humanity's loss has transposed itself to

the knights of the round table.

Yeah.

We get a lot of cuts between reality and the delusion here.

Mm-hmm.

The editing and the cuts around the room after he is stunned

and speechless, where we get kind of like super far shots with him,

just still in the empty room.

And then it ends with B five, kind of off center and the silence of space.

This is art.

This is beautiful.

Mm-hmm.

We'll talk about it when we get to our reviews, but this is the

part of the episode where people turn.

Typically, if you, if you are not a fan of this episode, it is these

black and white flash cuts uh, that kind of feel hokey and old timey.

I don't think they look as good on our TVs today.

I remember being very impressed with this when I was young.

I'm not sure that the, the images held up in the same way.

I feel like the image quality on Voodoo is not as

good as it was on H B O Max.

Okay.

Maybe

don't know if, I don't know if you're noticing anything.

I feel like it says it's HD and like I checked the, like my streaming

stats and stuff and it's HD.

, but it doesn't look 10 80 p to me.

And maybe that's cuz I'm watching on a 4K tv and the upscaling in the HBO Max app

is better than it is on the Voodoo app.

I would believe that wholeheartedly.

I think my TV just does most of that itself, to be perfectly honest.

I don't know.

I feel like not happy.

We're gonna have to, this is the first one that we watched, not on HBO

Max, so we're gonna have to put a pin in that and revisit in a few episodes, cuz

I just assumed that that was something about this episode and the, you know, the

black and white and the back and forth and I just didn't, didn't clock it as maybe.

Something

we'll have to listen.

The League of Non-Aligned Podcasts is gathering again soon and neither of us are

gonna be able to make it unfortunately.

But this is something I believe they will be talking about.

So

Yeah.

And they would

know this stuff better than I would for sure.

Yeah.

I'm, I'm interested to see what the rest of the Babylon five

podcasting community feels about it.

So,

Me too.

all right.

We find out the Babylon Treaty was a success but Franklin has

to eat his hubris sandwich here.

He is not able to fix everything.

Again, again, again, again, again, again, again, again.

He says something about, you think I would've learned

my lesson by now or something?

And

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We, we fucking hope so, but no.

We'll just have to see, won't we?

Yeah.

He's kind of gone catatonic, right?

He's not responding to any stimuli.

He's taken it very badly

Yep.

remember his past.

They talked through the legend and how Arthur had to go full circle

back to where it began, and this leads them to their solution in Delen.

Having been there when Duco was killed, comes to take the

sword, his burden, his pain.

Mm-hmm.

jms confirmed that Dylann was told exactly who he was and his

role in her past before assisting.

Okay.

So

yeah.

Yeah,

I mean, they wouldn't have been like, oh, he was on the ship

that fired on you when you held Du Kat's r you know, dying in your hands.

But they would've been like he was on the Prometheus that

fired on the ship, you know,

Yeah.

destroyed Mbar one or whatever the name of the great council ship was.

They've told us, I've forgotten.

But from what we know of Dylan,

I ev, even if they had told her every single detail, I

don't see her refusing this.

Current Dalen.

No.

Season

yeah.

yeah.

No.

But we're

Yeah,

the right point in time for her.

for sure.

You know, she takes on his.

And releases him of that burden in a way that only she can

and does it all without words.

And this is a super moving scene.

Mm-hmm.

. agree.

Garabaldi gets his package the full price way, but gets the

postman back by charging him 101 credits to not start charging him rent.

Which is fucked because that's not something Garabaldi

can be, should be doing.

One,

Yeah.

blackmailing him.

It seems like a bribe.

Yes.

Yeah.

This is not cool cuz Ava's even gone on record of bitching about how they don't

have enough money coming in right now.

Mm-hmm.

So it's not even like this is a not a contemporary issue.

This is very much an active problem that Aldi is making worse.

Totally agree.

Uh,

go.

Garibaldi.

Kar and Franklin see David out, who is going to

Nan to join the resistance.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

. I liked

He's gonna help his buddy.

Yeah, I like it too.

We get a little bit about our characters and their relation and overlap

with the arturian legend to close us out.

This is a direct shot at people at the message boards who are doing this

Yeah.

. Shots fired.

Yep.

It's not like, it's not just the Arturian legend guys.

Yeah.

He's like, it doesn't, it's not a perfect analog.

You can't just assign characters like that.

Who is Morgan Lafa?

There isn't one That's why he says it.

I like a Vaus.

Or gne.

That's a good one.

All right, Laura, scale babylons one to five.

How do you feel about this?

I unapologetically love this episode and it is five out of five for me.

Same.

It's so good.

Some

I know there's silly shit.

I know.

There's like, how did he get this chain mail?

How did he get that cape?

How did he get it all on the spaceship?

You know, there's . Lots of questions you can ask yourself.

This episode is too fun to ask those questions, people

Yep.

If you think that this is a bad episode of Babylon five, I think you're a hater.

I said

it

I, think you don't like fun

right.

This is a very fun episode, and it's also a very real and very deep episode about

the unbearable weight of unknowable grief.

Like this episode is fucking heavy, but it does so in a way that is fun and.

As relatable as you can make it.

You know, you can't understand what he is going through.

The, the grief has quite literally driven him insane

where he cannot exist in reality.

Yeah.

so he doesn't

And I, I think it's beautiful where he's processing this with

something, a legend so deep in

the

mm-hmm.

and we are in the future.

yeah.

It's, it's a, a beautiful juxtaposition for us in

the present to be watching.

Mm-hmm.

I think it's

fun.

I think that the b or c or whatever plot of the post office with

this episode is two great tastes.

The great taste great together.

Like I love it

Mm-hmm.

And I, I will not apologize for feeling this is a five outta five

Yep.

Loved it.

All right, next week, season three, episode 14, ship of Tears.

Oh, okay.

This is our first chance to compare Voodoo and Apple episode previews.

Sheridan informs an uneasy alliance with a former nemesis.

As free speech is curtailed back on earth, the shadows continue

to expand their conquest.

I have the same description except it.

Mine ends with Walter Kig, guest stars.

Oh,

Yay.

that makes me more excited.

Yeah.

Didn't

I remember this episode now.

from the description, I did not think Fester episode, but

now I know it's a fester episode.

Yay,

same.

I think this is the one I missed I

was a kid.

This is the one with all the telepaths and cryo storage?

I think so.

Well, we'll find it out soon,

Yep.

This is the one I missed,

All right.

That I only saw for the first time two years ago when I did my rewatch,

Fantastic.

which is crazy because it's a huge plot point episode.

Yeah, it, when buster's around, there's a lot of plot happening.

Yep.

All right.

Well, we'll be back with that one next week.

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