When did we become so afraid of estrogen? This hormone is vital for our health, yet we are so scared to have it and constantly told to clear it or avoid it. In this episode, I break down the different types of estrogen, how to assess it properly, the testing that is available and how to balance it. Tune in to learn more.

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Key Takeways

05:04 Types of estrogen and their effects

10:41 Testing estrogen levels through bloodwork

14:13 Using the Dutch test for hormone analysis

19:50 Impact of xenoestrogens from environmental toxins

21:52 Avoiding toxin exposure in daily life

24:24 Importance of clean, unprocessed whole foods

25:56 Moving estrogen through the body

Memorable Quotes

"Estrogen is a vital hormone for the female. We need it. There's so much fear that's been created around estrogen. But we want estrogen, you guys. Estrogen is really, really important."

"The body has so much infinite wisdom. It is the smartest machine on this planet. It knows exactly what it's doing. We just might not understand why it's doing what it's doing."

"80% of your food shouldn't have a label. And if it does, limit the amount of things that are on that label."

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When you're spiraling downwards, like, everything is the inflammation and the blood sugar dysregulation and infections are causing you to gain more weight, and then that weight causes fatigue in the food that they crave and then the estrogen production. And so, like, it's a big spiral down, but the opposite is true. When we start to decrease inflammation and get rid of infections and, you know, optimize nutrient levels, all of the sudden everything starts to fall into place. So I do like to look at that ratio through blood work.

And then if a woman, if you are struggling with hormonal imbalances, like, I love running the Dutch test, I never just run it on its own because hormones are not the root cause of what's going on. And we'll talk about some root causes in a second. Pregnancy is a natural process. So if it's not happening or if it's not sticking, something is missing. After having a family member go through infertility and experiencing a miscarriage myself, I realized how little support and education women have around infertility. I want to change that.

I'm Dr. Jane Levesque. I'm a naturopathic doctor and a natural fertility expert. Tune in every Tuesday at nineam for insightful case studies, expert interviews, and practical tips on how you can optimize fertility naturally. If you've been struggling with infertility, pregnancy loss, women's health issues, or you just want to be proactive and prepare yourself for the next big chapter in your life, this show is for you. All right, ladies, Today I want to talk about estrogen dominance. And I'm careful to say that because it's really, for a lot of women that I'm seeing is estrogen displacement and breaking it down.

Where's this estrogen coming from? How do we test and see what kind of estrogen we have and how we're metabolizing it? And, of course, the approach to treat it. We are seeing so many women, and maybe you are one of those women walking around with heavy periods and PMS and fibroids and endometriosis, adenomyosis, all of these fibrocystic breasts, all of these symptoms that are basically screaming estrogen dominance.But when I go into testing, what I'm actually seeing in my patients is that they are not estrogen dominant, but that estrogen is displaced, meaning it's all displaced in the female reproductive system. And whether that's the breast tissue or the uterus and the ovaries or even the bowels. For those of you who are struggling with endometriosis that has infiltrated into the bowels.

So I want to shed some light on this topic. And sometimes I have a hard time recording podcasts because it's so easy for me to go down rabbit holes. And then I'm like, oh, my God, I've revealed another piece of information. And then, oh, there's another piece of information. I'm not ready to record a podcast about this yet because I'm not done learning. And what I'm realizing is that while I'm never really done learning and I want to share what I know with you today, and then whenever I learn a little bit more information, I will continue to essentially update you. Because now with AI and just in general, so much more research is coming out the field, the fertility space, the health space is really, really changing, and it's changing fast. And I think it's changing for the better. But because there is so much information, it's very difficult to know what's what.

And so the hope is that I'm going to help you gain some clarity about this one particular topic, which is estrogen. Now, the reason that I say estrogen, don't say estrogen dominance, and the term that I've been using a lot is estrogen displacement, is because I've seen a lot of women who have been told they have estrogen dominance. And whether they've been told by a naturopathic doctor or that's, you know, another practitioner, or they saw it online and they matched up with their symptoms and they started to do a lot of things to clear estrogen. So things like dim and calcium d'glucarate.

And, you know, even for some women, it's medication because they're told if you take this medication and it helps to block your estrogen or helps to get rid of it, then your endometriosis is going to go away. And what's happening is these women are throwing themselves into early menopause. And maybe you are one of those women who is now starting to experience hair loss and hot flashes and zero libido and vaginal dryness and muscle atrophy and even like bone density decrease, depending, of course, obviously, if you've had that tested or not. But I'm seeing all these women throwing themselves into early menopause because they're clearing estrogen.

And there's so much fear, fear that's been created around estrogen. And estrogen is a vital hormone for the female. We need it. And so I want to gain some. I'm going to help you, give you some more clarity around this. But what I have seen is a lot of estrogen displacement and I'll talk about that, how we want to move that estrogen and see why it's concentrated in certain areas. And so if you're one of those women where you have estrogen dominant type symptoms, but if I look at your testing and I see that your estrogen is actually not high, it's just displaced in only your breast or only in your uterus or in your ovaries or only in your abdomen, it's helping the body process it and move through it.

So we can have good estrogen levels in the body and not have it displaced in one space. So obviously understanding your testing is going to be really important and that's what I'm going to talk about next. So then we can provide the appropriate treatment. And something that I've learned from my mentor, Dr. Leah Hetchman. I'm excited. I'm going to have her on the podcast soon. And maybe you're listening to this and she was already on the podcast, but you know, she talks a lot about how if you hear advice online and you have a condition like endometriosis or pcos or an autoimmune, I mean any serious quote unquote diagnosis or condition and you're trying to fix it yourself because you went to the conventional doctor and they told you there's nothing you can do about it, I think kudos to you for taking that ownership and the responsibility of “I want to fix this and I know that my body can do it”, but we're seeing the mistake now.

And this is what I tend to see those patients is after years of trying to figure it out on your own, you kind of tend to create a bit of a mess because you don't actually know if you need a certain supplement or what dosage you need or what form you need because you're doing it based on feel and based on essentially just what you've heard guessing as opposed to critical data that allows me to make those decisions. So let's talk about the testing. I'm not sure if you know this. We know that there's more than one estrogen. There's E one, E two, E three, and there's actually E four as well. So E four is just produced by the fetal liver.

So when you are pregnant, the fetus will produce E four. There is some more research and studies coming out about how it is hanging around in the woman after she gives birth. So more to come on that, but just to kind of give you that. Hey, there is this other type that most of us are not aware of, and then we are aware of the E one, E two and E three. If you're not, you are. Now, E two. Estradiol is the dominant, the strongest estrogen. It is the one that's produced by the ovaries, by the granulosa cells, that is produced as the follicle is growing and maturing, that triggers the ovulation, the LH surge.

That is the one we want, the estrogen, the estradiol, when we have good levels of it as a female. And you'll see when you are cycling, and maybe your cycles are irregular now, but you used to have them normal, or maybe you've never had them normal. And that's what I'm seeing in practice as well. But a woman that has good levels of estrogen, and especially around that peak in ovulation, you're going to have great libido. You're going to feel you're going to recover after workouts and you're going to feel like you can do a lot more. You're going to feel a lot more confident. This is if you are working out on a regular basis, it is a great time for you to push your intensity.

You will recover more, you'll feel greater in the workouts, and you'll actually see, like, it's great for muscle building, it's great for your bones, for your hair, for the elasticity of your skin, your mood. We want estrogen, you guys. Estrogen is really, really important, and that estradiol is the one that we want the most of. And we want it obviously in the right times of the cycle and in proportion to progesterone. And that's a whole other podcast. But in terms of just estradiol, we do need it in proportion with other hormones. And you do want good levels because it tells us that the ovaries are functioning well.

Now, the other two types that are the most dominant ones that we know about are the E one and the E three. So the estriol and estrone, the E one is kind of moderate to weak. A little bit is produced by the ovaries, but a lot is produced by your adipose tissue, so your fat tissue, and it kind of aromatizes from testosterone into this estrogen. So stereogenesis pathway, the pathway that we make all our hormones starts with cholesterol and then it slowly goes into pregnenolone and then branches out into progesterone and Androstenedione and trickles down into dhea, testosterone and then estrogen.

So estrogen is at the very bottom of the stereogenesis chart. And essentially when we have too much adipose tissue, and I mean, honestly, any amount of adipose tissue, any amount. And now I'm not saying because there's healthy levels of adipose tissue for the female. So between eighteen to twenty two percent% is ideal for body fat percent starting to go under. We're going to see issues with hormone production because we don't have enough adipose tissue to make the hormones or enough cholesterol to pull in and make the hormones. And when we're going over twenty two percent, twenty five percent%, we're now starting to see more inflammation that's associated with that. So the body is very much all about balance. And when we have too much adipose tissue, when it is higher than that twenty to twenty four percent, that fat tissue is like it's not just sitting there, it's producing, making hormones.

And E one is one of those hormones, which is this weak estrogen that doesn't have the same effect as the estradiol for all the bone, the muscle, the mood, the libido, the reproductive health, but it does raise your levels of estrogen. And so when we're talking about estrogen dominance, is it estrogen dominance or is it estrogen displacement or estrogen imbalance? And we are then seeing it associated with more endometriosis and fibroids and, you know, fibrocystic breasts, all that stuff. The other one is E three. Now E three and I'll talk about how I'm testing these in a second. But the estriol, the E three is the weakest. It is produced a lot by the placenta. So you will see it rise when you are pregnant. But I have seen it in women where women who have endometriosis or fibroids or any of these kind of estrogen dominant symptoms, they have higher levels of E three because their liver is actually having a hard time converting between E one, E two and then going down into the metabolism pathways and getting rid of excess hormone, getting rid of the old hormones and rebuilding new ones. So I have seen the E three build up.

So how I test, let's talk about that. E four, we cannot test right now. There's lots of experimental things going on. But, you know, let's watch the space. And like I said, there's another podcast probably coming about this. But E one, E two and E three, we can test on blood work. And I do, I used to only test E two. I started testing all three because I'll see E two for a woman who I know has estrogen dominance or estrogen displacement, and her estrogen levels are in perfect range. And I know that they're not perfect because of the symptoms that she's experiencing. So you always have to, like, your practitioner always have to listen to you and your symptoms instead of just running the lab work and saying, well, I'm not seeing your estrogen as high, so you're fine. But I know that this patient is telling me something, and the symptoms that she's experiencing are all showing me that her body is having a hard time metabolizing estrogen or making estrogen in enough forms or the good type of estrogen.

So I do test it day two to three, so I can see that base when everything is nice and low, if I have the luxury, I'll test it around ovulation so we can see the peak of estrogen, and then around day nineteen to twenty three, so seven days post ovulation, so I can kind of see that pattern of estrogen. And ideally, you're also not ever just testing one hormone. You're also looking at progesterone and testosterone and dhea, you know, and liver enzymes, inflammation, all that jazz. But just for the sake of estrogen, I do like to see it through that cycle. So then I can look at the ratios and I can see the comparison between E two and E one and E three. A lot of the time the E three is not going to be detected unless the woman is pregnant. And honestly, even with endometriosis with fibroids, I don't tend to see that E three elevated the blood work. I'll see it in Dutch and I'll show you that in a. I'll talk about that in a second.

So I do want to see that ratio. And E one is higher than E two. It's a huge flag that the ovaries are not actually producing good levels of estradiol. And we have this adipose tissue, essentially, that's producing and aromatizing the testosterone into estrogen that's weak. And so you don't get the benefits, but you kind of get all the negative side effects. And I'm not sure why the body is designed that way, but it's almost like, you know, when you're spiraling downwards, like, everything is the inflammation and the blood sugar, dysregulation and infections are causing you to gain more weight, and then that weight causes fatigue in the food that they crave. And then the estrogen production. And so, like, it's a big spiral down, but the opposite is true.

When we start to decrease inflammation and get rid of infections and, you know, optimize nutrient levels, all of the sudden everything starts to fall into place. So I do like to look at that ratio through blood work. And then if a woman, if you are struggling with hormonal imbalances, like, I love running the Dutch test, I never just run it on its own because hormones are not the root cause of what's going on. And we'll talk about some root causes in a second. So the Dutch will show me what your hormones are doing and how you're breaking them down. But it's not going to give me the why. It's not going to give me an assessment of your environmental toxic load or your nutrient analysis or even your gut function.

So then I could see why the hormones are doing what they're doing. But the Dutch, which stands for dried urine test for Comprehensive Hormones, is really helpful because it helps us understand from an estrogen perspective of how you are metabolizing it. So there's two oh, four oh and sixteen alpha oh pathways. And two oh is the most protective, the best pathway for the body to move down. We want it. You know, obviously we can assess phase one and phase two and then methylation that gives us a glimpse of it.

But that's the most protective pathway. And that's where most of the estrogen we want to be traveling down versus the four OH pathway. You're now going to see more DNA damage, and that's the one that's associated with higher risk of cancer. So I've tested women and I see this red, you know, and in the Dutch, it gives us a red marker and says, hey, this person is pushing down, quote, unquote, bad pathway. There's a lot of DNA damage that's being caused because of this pathway being driven. And that pathway is driven because there's already a lot of inflammation and infection, and there's probably some genetic predisposition and nutrient deficiencies.

So when, if we are worried about developing cancers of any kind, and if my patients have had family history of cancers of any kind, in terms of reproductive breast cancer, ovarian, uterine, cervical, that kind of stuff, I want to look at this pathway and I want to make sure this is exactly what we do in preventative medicine, is we can see which way is the body breaking down that estrogen, and we can give the body specific nutrients to help support it, go in the right Pathway. And this is where I'm not going to get super specific into the nutrients and the supplements because I don't want you guys to try this stuff on your own and create a mess.

You might need dim, you might need calcium D glucarate, you might need some sulforaphane, you might need some comt. Comt. Gene support and methylation, and you might need all of it. You might need some inflammation or antioxidants, I don't know. But I don't want you to go, ooh, I have bad estrogen. I should take dim and calcium D glucarate. Because then what happens is you're clearing not just the. The bad estrogen, you're also clearing the good estrogen. And that predisposes you to all sorts of things. And, you know, obviously going into early menopause is not something that we want, especially if having children is your goal.

Like women, we need to keep the function of our ovaries as long as we can. It is a sign of good vitality and energy and, you know, good aging instead of shutting them down and saying, oh, I guess now I just don't have a period. We depend on hormones for a lot of things, so we want to keep them around for as long as possible. And obviously our ovaries are the prime source of that stereogenesis, our sex hormones. So two most protective four oh, the worst one we want, you're going to have some of them going that pathway, but we don't want very much. And then there is the sixteen alpha oh, which is also kind of associated. It's very proliferative, and it is associated more with higher inflammation, higher weight, and therefore fibroids, endometriosis, and fibrocystic breasts. SO2OH is the pathway that you want to be going down the most.

And like I said, when I see the Dutch in comparison with the blood work next to it, and then I look at the symptoms and the symptoms that the woman is presenting to me, I love when I can piece the protocol together. I do. With a Dutch. If ovulation is something you are struggling with or it's confusing, I do like running the Dutch cycle map, which essentially you're peeing on a strip through the entire menstrual cycle, you know, starting on like day five or day seven and until you get your period. So then we can see the hormone fluctuation is, are you ovulating? When are you ovulating? What's happening after ovulation? Is the progesterone rising? Is the estrogen, because I'll see women who are quote unquote estrogen dominant and it's not that their estrogen is in great range, but their progesterone is non-existent.

And so we're trying to decrease estrogen where in reality what we need to do is improve their progesterone production and that is going to come from ovulation and the health of that egg and that follicle. So then the corpus luteum can go on to produce progesterone in the second half of the cycle. And it's very connected to stress. So not a single hormone works alone. Nothing in the body works alone. It's all interconnected. And you know, that's my job as a practitioner, is to help connect the dots for you so we can understand what the body is trying to tell us.

The body has so much infinite wisdom. It is the smartest machine on this planet, if you want to call it a machine, but it's the, it's so smart and it knows exactly what it's doing. We just might not understand why it's doing what it's doing. And, and it's our way to reflect and say, if my body's not doing something that I think it should be, then we should be looking at our environment, both physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. So then we can provide the support that it needs. Right. If the flower doesn't bloom, don't blame the flower. Check the soil, check the environment. That's the same thing with literally everything in the system.

So once you have identified what estrogen issue you have, is it dominance? Is it a lack of progesterone? Is it, you know, displacement of that estrogen? Is it that you have estrogen, but it's poor quality? then we can figure out what to do about it. What I will say on the last piece of it is xenoestrogens because it kind of ties into the environment. We don't actually have a way to test xenoestrogens and these are like the fake estrogens that are coming from environmental toxins and you know, the plastics and over antibiotic use, like you name it. And even with having a higher body fat, we don't have a way to test that yet. But you can look at someone and say she has the symptoms of higher estrogen but her body is not making good estrogen.

And so it's this fake estrogen that's mimicking our good estrogen. But of course it doesn't have the same effect. The, you know, the bad estrogens or even the weak ones don't have the same effect as the E two. We want the estradiol, we want it in good ranges and most women, because the body's really smart and ovaries are producing this and there's a feedback loop that's going. The body isn't going to produce too much. And so what I find happens is we have a bunch of this fake estrogen that's mimicking.

And so it's kind of shutting down the response from the ovaries because they're like, well, there's enough estrogen I don't need to slash. Then there's usually inflammation and nutrient deficiency. So like you don't even have the nutrients that you need or the blood flow that you need to those ovaries to get the follicle to grow and to get those granulosa cells within the suite to start producing within the egg to start producing good levels of estrogen. So we want E two, we don't want the other ones or we want, you know, very little of the other ones. And we want to understand how your body is breaking you down.

So once you have an idea, I'm going to give you three really simple things. But they're probably very. They're s. Simple is not easy. So the first one is you want to really avoid toxin exposure. And I like, hear me when I say this, people do not know how much plastic we are surrounded by, how many things are in our food, what we are putting on our skin. It still blows me away when I go to the airport and I see so many people spraying themselves and smelling it with all the perfumes, drinking out of all the plastic bottles, eating out of all the plastic containers with literally like scorching hot food that's just melting the plastic into your food or even drinking that hot coffee, which is this paper cup that's lined with plastic.

Like we are surrounded by toxins. And so what I'm saying is you might not have control when you're traveling, but at home create this environment where you know the source of water and where it's coming from and it is super clean. You know what you are putting into your mouth and where that food is coming from. If it's organic versus non organic, it makes a huge difference. If it's a local farmer that you know and they picked those carrots a day before you got them and made a stew with them, that is the. Even if it doesn't have the quote unquote organic label on it. But you know that farmer and you know that he doesn't spray his food with anything that is organic.

He just doesn't want to pay a hundred thousand dollars a year fee to get the organic label. But talk to your local farmers and understand where the food is coming from. Start a garden and grow some of your own food so you get that idea and that connection back to food. I find it so, like, I have kids now and I try to teach them about the soil because that's how I grew up. And so you have so much more appreciation for food and you have that filter of like, what am I eating? Like, what is in this package? I don't even know what I'm putting into my body. And the food that I'm eating is literally becoming my cells and fueling either the inflammation or the blood sugar dysregulation, or rebuilding my cells and giving me fuel for good.

Hormones have that filter. What am I putting into my mouth? Like, what am I actually feeding myself? Because a lot of us are mad at ourselves that the body's not doing what it's supposed to be doing. And it's like it's working as hard as it can with what you're giving it. You're just not giving it very good stuff. And it's not that you mean to do that. It's just a lack of awareness. Right? And so I love that you're listening to this podcast because you're going to bring awareness to that part of your life.

So avoiding toxin exposure is huge. Huge, huge. Like, clean up your water. And the second one is to clean up your diet. So make sure you know what foods you're eating. And eating unprocessed whole foods. I went to my daughter's school to talk about food to a bunch of second graders. And I asked them, I'm like, where does food come from? And they all said, nature, which made me so happy. Instead of, you know, I expected them to say things like grocery store or, you know, my mom just brings it into the house. So the fact that they like had this understanding that food comes from nature. Then I said, does a carrot have a label? And they're like, no, it doesn't have a label. That's silly. You just pull it out of the, like, great. eighty percent of your food shouldn't have a label.

And if most of us look at eighty percent of our food, like, literally write it down, you would say that twenty percent% of your food doesn't have a label. And eighty percent of it does, even if that label is quote unquote good. We still have labels on the foods. And so I'm not talking about a cauliflower that's wrapped and has a label on it, unless they put something on it. But you know what I mean, like if it's vegetable, if it's meat, if it's even certain grains, like you have to be careful, like it just needs to be the grain, there's nothing else in there. So eighty percent of your food shouldn't have any labels. And if it does, limit the amount of things that are on that label. And then the last thing is moving estrogen.

So what I mean by that is if we don't have a lot of excess estrogen, but it's the quote unquote bad kind of estrogen and it's displaced, or even the good kind of estrogen is displaced, placed, and it's just all in one area. We really need to create movement to help the body process it. I always say the body needs two things. It needs nutrients and it needs blood flow. So the blood flow needs to go to the area so it can bring the nutrients and that part of the body can heal. So if you think about something like ovaries, if there's a lot of adhesions, if there's a lot of restriction, that means the blood flow cannot get to the ovary or if there's any cysts or endometriomas, right?

Then you can't get blood flow into that ovary. And that's why it's poor ovarian reserve, because those ovaries are not getting blood flow. And that means they can get nutrients that you are taking in. And so it's working on all of those, it's making sure that you have the right nutrients and the toxins are not depleting those nutrients. But then what are you doing to bring blood flow to the area? And for some of you, you're going to have to do a lot. And the simple things are things like castor oil packs or drinking anti-inflammatory ginger shots. So anything with turmeric and ginger, it's going to really help to bring movement into the gut and then obviously into this whole peritoneal cavity area. Actual movement. So, Pilates is really great. Dancing is really great when you can get your hips involved, yoga, squatting, lifting weights, where you're going for walks.

We're so stagnant now, we spend so much of our time sitting. So it's really important that we're incorporating movement on a regular basis. And then if you do know you have a lot of adhesions and, you know, kind of fibrous tissue. You might need to get acupuncture. And there's some specialized visceral practitioners, visceral physiotherapists that can get in there and actually start and show you how to do it. Like the massaging that you need to do with castor oil. And I always recommend to my patients, like, take notes, let them show you what they're doing. And then you can do that every day with castor oil and put some red light to really bring some good heat into the area.

And then, of course, we can take some supplements, whether it's things like curcumin or, you know, proteolytic enzymes to just help break down some of that tissue while we're working on it physically as well. So I think movement is really, really important. And then when it comes to actually fixing, you know, quote, unquote, this estrogen dominance or the symptoms that have you, you need testing. You need testing so you can be specific with the supplements that you need. A lot of women do need calcium d glucarate, but we need to be careful of how much we give them and for how long and how we are tracking it after.

Why was that estrogen off in the first place? Because if it's a higher adipose tissue, then why is the body holding on to that? Is there a histamine reaction that's coming with that? Because estrogen and histamine are really closely related. And usually there's inflammation, an immune system response that's activated. I don't want to overwhelm you, but what I want to show you is that the body doesn't do anything without a reason. And a lot of the time we're trying to solve a very complex problem with a very simple solution. Now, don't get me wrong, a lot of the steps that I told you are like, it's simple.

Move your body, eat, clean food, clean up your environment. But to help the body actually restore nutrient levels and get the hormones functioning, you know, getting rid of the infections and getting blood sugars controlled. There's so much more to it, and it's knowing, you know, the right step for the right person at the right time. I say right therapy, right person, right time. That's where the practitioner is going to come in. That's what, you know, myself and my practitioners do. Because when you've done the basics and it's not that, I guess my body is broken you still have to do the basics. The basics is like the entry into the game. So then we can now really start working with the body and understanding how long those imbalances have been there for, what is driving it.

How, you know, is there a heavy metal that we need to think about detoxing? Because that's going to look very different than someone who has mold versus a bacterial infection. There's so many different layers and we as humans are messy. We're messy, I'm messy, my husband is messy, all my patients. So being able to work with the body and the current life circumstances is an art. So I hope you guys find this helpful. And my hope is that you stop blaming your estrogen and you start listening to it. Because we do need estrogen and it is very healthy for us women to have it in the right forms and the right types.

But we do need help metabolizing it sometimes and we might need some help understanding what the source of, you know, the quote unquote, bad estrogen is. So I will keep you updated because I'm constantly learning in space. And like I said, I hope this just kind of gives you an idea of, oh, I don't actually know. I didn't know there were these two other types of estrogen or three. And I've never had them tested and I've never looked. And so if you've jumped to the supplements before the testing, this is where I encourage you.

Do some testing first, work with a practitioner and then, like, save your money, put your money towards that instead of the supplements because over time you're going to spend so much more.Right? I've seen people spend tens of thousands of dollars on supplements. They've never done any testing. It's a little bit backwards to me and my goal is to really help to change that. So thank you so much for being here. Thank you so much for listening and I'll see you guys next week.

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