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What if the witches we grew up fearing weren’t villains, but visionaries, healers, or queer-coded rebels whose power threatened the status quo?
In today’s rich and revolutionary episode of More Human, More Kind, Heather Hester uncovers the truth behind witch hunts, both historical and modern. From midwives to queer teens, anyone who dared to live outside the norms has been branded dangerous. But when we revisit who the “witch” really was, we open a portal to connection, empathy, and courage.
If your child is drawn to witches, monsters, or magic, this episode will show you why it’s not about rebellion, it’s about belonging, power, and healing. And how you, as a parent or ally, can show up with more curiosity, not control.
- Why witches were originally midwives, healers, and women with ungovernable knowledge
- How LGBTQ+ communities reclaim the witch as a symbol of queer power, survival, and self-trust
- 4 ways you can use this history to better understand and affirm your LGBTQ+ child
- Unlearn the myth that witches = evil and explore what society really fears: truth, autonomy, and joy
Press play to uncover how history, horror, queerness, and allyship collide—and how this ancient archetype can help you raise brave, inclusive, empowered kids today.
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At the heart of my work is a deep commitment to compassion, authenticity, and transformative allyship, especially for those navigating the complexities of parenting LGBTQ kids. Through this podcast, speaking, my writing, and the spaces I create, I help people unlearn bias, embrace their full humanity, and grow their capacity for courageous, compassionate connection.
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More Human. More Kind. formerly Just Breathe: Parenting Your LGBTQ Teen is a safe and supportive podcast in a heartfelt and empowering space where a mom and advocate offers practical guidance and education to parents and allies, fostering empathy, kindness, love, and strong boundaries while supporting LGBTQ teens and the diverse LGBTQ community—including gay, lesiban, bisexual, trans, transgender, and queer individuals—through conversations about mental health, grief, gender identity, sexual orientation, human rights, social justice, parenting, parent support, and meaningful LGBTQ allyship and allyship in action.
Resource Spotlight
Historical & Theoretical
- The Malleus Maleficarum (1486), Heinrich Kramer & Jacob Sprenger
- Silvia Federici, Caliban and the Witch (2004).
- Anne Llewellyn Barstow, Witchcraze: A New History of the European Witch Hunts (1994).
- Brian P. Levack, The Witch-Hunt in Early Modern Europe (2016).
- Lyndal Roper, Witch Craze: Terror and Fantasy in Baroque Germany (2004).
- Mona Chollet, In Defense of Witches (2022).
- Alex Mar, Witches of America (2015).
Feminist & Cultural Reclamation
- Pam Grossman, Waking the Witch (2019).
- Kristen J. Sollée, Witches, Sluts, Feminists (2017).
- Sarah Lyons, Revolutionary Witchcraft (2019).
- Pam Grossman, The Witch Wave Podcast. The witch became the archetype of anyone reclaiming power denied to them—especially queer and trans people who have also been branded unnatural or dangerous.
- As Grossman says, “To be a witch is to be a person who chooses themselves.”
- The Love Witch (2016), The Craft (1996).
- Queer Witch Podcast.
Academic Articles & Essays
- Marianne Hester, “Patriarchal Reconstruction and Witch Hunting,” Gender & History (1991).
- Deborah Willis, Malevolent Nurture: Witch-Hunting and Maternal Power (1995).
- Smithsonian Magazine, “The Witch Craze That Swept Through Europe” (2018).
- Teen Vogue, “Why Queer People Identify with Witches” (2022).
Transcripts
Witches were never just villains.
Speaker A:They were women with power in a world that feared it.
Speaker A:Welcome to More Human, More Kind, the podcast helping parents of LGBTQ kids move from fear to fierce allyship and feel less alone and more informed so you can protect what matters, raise brave kids, and spark collective change.
Speaker A:I'm Heather Hester.
Speaker A:Let's get.
Speaker A:What if the witch you feared growing up wasn't evil at all, but a mirror for what society most fears.
Speaker A:Women, queerness, and rebellion?
Speaker A:What if she was never a monster, though, but a woman who refused to bow?
Speaker A:A healer who refused to stop healing?
Speaker A:A truth teller who refused to stay quiet?
Speaker A:In today's episode, you'll learn why witches have long symbolized outsiders and rule breakers.
Speaker A:You'll discover how queer communities embrace witch imagery as empowerment, and you'll find ways to connect this symbolism to your own parenting and allyship.
Speaker A:And stick around for today's unlearn, where I will dismantle the myth that witches are villains rather than visionaries.
Speaker A:Welcome back to More Human, More Kind.
Speaker A:I'm Heather Hester, and today we are exploring witch hunts.
Speaker A:The historical ones that targeted women and healers, and the modern ones that target queer people, marginalized groups, and anyone who dares to live outside the norm.
Speaker A:I am really, really excited to share this very timely topic with you today.
Speaker A:It was super fun to research and to learn so much more about the history of witches and to really be able to connect the dots to what's going on today.
Speaker A:The fact that you are here shows that you care about truth and justice and protecting your kids from the kind of fear that divides and destroys.
Speaker A:But we also know how hard that is, because fear spreads fast, misinformation distorts reality, and sometimes it can feel easier to stay quiet than to speak up.
Speaker A:In this episode, we'll uncover how witch hunts have always been about control, about silencing difference and consolidating power, and how we can break that silence cycle and our families and our culture.
Speaker A:Join me as we travel back to the roots of one of the most powerful myths in human history.
Speaker A:The witch.
Speaker A:She's haunted our fairy tales and Halloween costumes.
Speaker A:But the real story is older, darker, and far more revealing about who we fear and why.
Speaker A:When we understand history, we can see the patterns, and when we can name the patterns, we can stop them.
Speaker A: Between the: Speaker A:There were plagues, famine, religious wars, entire economies absolutely collapsing.
Speaker A:People were desperate for explanations.
Speaker A:And the church offered one.
Speaker A:Evil walks among us.
Speaker A:Enter the witch.
Speaker A:A Catholic church later joined by Protestant reformers needed to re establish authority.
Speaker A:For centuries, community healers, mostly women, held local power through herbal knowledge, being midwives and having spiritual practices rooted in older earth based faiths.
Speaker A:They were loved by their neighbors and didn't answer to priests or kings.
Speaker A:So to centralize power, those women had to be rebranded not as healers, but as threats.
Speaker A: lleus maleficarum, written in: Speaker A:It sold more copies than any book except the Bible for two centuries.
Speaker A:That's how deeply the fear took hold.
Speaker A:This wasn't random hysteria.
Speaker A:It was institutionalized misogyny, serving a purpose to make people obedient through fear and to eliminate competing sources of wisdom.
Speaker A:Religious and political leaders discovered that witch trials did more than punish dissent.
Speaker A:They created unity through terror.
Speaker A:Public executions were theater, crowds gathered, sermons thundered, and rulers appeared righteous.
Speaker A:Every hanging and burning whispered the same.
Speaker A:Obey, conform, stay small.
Speaker A:Does this sound familiar?
Speaker A:At the same time, early medical guilds were forming.
Speaker A:Male physicians backed by universities and the church, wanted to professionalize healing.
Speaker A:Midwives and herbalists, women without degrees, were branded as dangerous meddlers.
Speaker A:Accusing them of witchcraft conveniently erased centuries of female medical knowledge and handed control of birth, fertility and the body to men.
Speaker A: ban and the witch, written in: Speaker A:When the new economy demanded disciplined workers and patriarchal family structures, independent women, the widows, the spinsters, the healers, were labeled subversive.
Speaker A:The witch became the cautionary tale that taught women to stay dependent, chaste and obedient.
Speaker A:Federici writes, the witch was the symbol of the world turned upside down, of female insubordination and the refusal of work.
Speaker A:Destroying her was how the new world order enforced unpaid domestic labor, sexual control and silence.
Speaker A:Witches embodied every form of female autonomy.
Speaker A:The patriarchy feared the midwife who understood and can control or at least affect birth and miscarriage.
Speaker A:The healer who knew plants that soothed pain without the church's permission, the widow who lived without a husband's rule.
Speaker A:By painting these women as servants of Satan, male institutions could claim moral and physical dominion over women's bodies.
Speaker A:The witch became the shadow cast by every woman who dared to know too much or desire too freely.
Speaker A:Whenever disease struck or crops failed, someone had to take the blame.
Speaker A:That someone was Rarely the priest or the nobleman.
Speaker A:It was typically, though, the poor woman living alone at the edge of town.
Speaker A:Across Europe, over 100,000 people were tried for witchcraft, and historians estimate between 40 and 60,000 were executed.
Speaker A:The majority were women over 40, and the message was unmistakable.
Speaker A:Aging, independence and knowledge were dangerous.
Speaker A:And every time society faces upheaval, economic crashes, pandemics, social change, the same reflex reappears.
Speaker A:We look for someone to burn.
Speaker A: By the: Speaker A:Yet the archetype endured.
Speaker A:She lingered in fairy tales as the jealous crone and Halloween decor as as the hag with a hooked nose.
Speaker A:Her image carried a warning.
Speaker A:Don't be too loud, too curious or too powerful.
Speaker A:That message still echoes whenever women are called hysterical, queer people called unnatural, or activists called radical.
Speaker A:The witch never died.
Speaker A:She just changed names.
Speaker A:Beginning in the 20th century, feminists and queer thinkers began to reclaim her.
Speaker A: In the: Speaker A:Modern witchcraft, Wicca, paganism and magical activism became languages of empowerment.
Speaker A:Writers like Pam Grossman, Kristen Soleil and Sarah Lyons reframed witchcraft as a practice of self trust, intuition and resistance.
Speaker A:Queer communities in particular connected deeply with witch imagery because it mirrors their own histories of scapegoating, persecution and eventual reclamation.
Speaker A:As writer Kristen Soleil says in Witches, Sluts and Feminists, to call oneself a witch today is to acknowledge the power once feared and punished.
Speaker A:To say, I am not afraid of my own magic.
Speaker A:Fast forward to today and we see echoes of these witch hunts and new forms, book bans targeting queer authors and queer topics, moral panics around drag shows, sex education or trans health care.
Speaker A:The idea that inclusion itself is a threat.
Speaker A:If witches once symbolized what society feared most female power, sexual freedom, queerness and autonomy, then reclaiming the witch becomes a radical act of healing.
Speaker A:Modern witchcraft has become a movement of empowerment, especially within queer and feminist communities.
Speaker A:The witch stands for agency, creating change without permission.
Speaker A:The witch values intuition, community, ritual and connection with nature, things that the patriarchy and capitalism dismiss as weakness.
Speaker A:Queer people have reclaimed this imagery as a metaphor for living authentically in a world that still punishes difference.
Speaker A:Writer and witch Pam Grossman, in her book Waking the Witch, describes witches as people who choose themselves, those who don't wait for permission to be whole.
Speaker A:When queer youths say they love witch aesthetics are magic.
Speaker A:It's rarely about spells, it's about self determination.
Speaker A:They see in witches the courage to live truthfully, to turn pain into power, to find community among the misunderstood.
Speaker A:So for parents, when your child is drawn to witches, magic or fantasy, it's not rebellion, it's curiosity about power, agency and most of all, belonging.
Speaker A:So you may be thinking this was a super empowering history lesson, but what am I supposed to do with it?
Speaker A:Well, first of all, share it far and wide.
Speaker A:And second, use this information to connect with your kids.
Speaker A:They'll likely think it is super cool and you may just learn a thing or two about them along the way.
Speaker A:First, reframe the story.
Speaker A:Tell your kids witches weren't evil.
Speaker A:They were healers, rebels, survivors.
Speaker A:Help them see how society's villains are often its truth tellers.
Speaker A:Encourage exploration.
Speaker A:Ask your child, what do you love about witches or magic?
Speaker A:You'll often hear words like freedom, creativity, mystery.
Speaker A:Understand and validate that these are healthy forms of self expression and imagination.
Speaker A:Draw parallels to modern witch hunts.
Speaker A:Help your family recognize how fear of difference repeats, whether it's against queer people, immigrants or anyone who challenges the norms.
Speaker A:Ask them, who do you see as being labeled dangerous today?
Speaker A:And why do you think that's happening?
Speaker A:And then model curiosity, not control.
Speaker A:If witchcraft, fantasy or queerness feels unfamiliar, read about it together.
Speaker A:Try waking the witch or revolutionary witchcraft.
Speaker A:I will have all of these linked in the show notes for you so you can go right there and click through them.
Speaker A:The goal isn't agreement, it's understanding.
Speaker A:When I began to deconstruct my own ideas about witches, I felt something.
Speaker A:Loosen in me.
Speaker A:I felt a freedom.
Speaker A:And like this opening of my soul.
Speaker A:All of my life I had been taught to fear witches, to see them as evil, dangerous, even demonic.
Speaker A:But when I started learning the real history about healers, the midwives, the women who lived close to the earth, it felt like remembering something I'd been told to forget.
Speaker A:And then I watched my kids approach stories about witches and magic and earth based rituals with this pure curiosity, completely unburdened by fear.
Speaker A:They weren't scared, they were fascinated.
Speaker A:And their openness invited me to wonder again, to see the beauty where I was once told to see danger.
Speaker A:Witches remind me that what society fears, it tries to burn.
Speaker A:But what it burns, it doesn't always destroy.
Speaker A:And that resilience lives in us.
Speaker A:And maybe that's why I also find the witch so beautiful.
Speaker A:Now she's the embodiment of what it means to rise from the ashes.
Speaker A:Over and over again.
Speaker A:Kindness.
Speaker A:Here is permission that permission to let your child's fascination with witches, monsters or magic be more than fantasy.
Speaker A:It's the courage to say, I see your power.
Speaker A:I see your curiosity, and I'm not afraid of it.
Speaker A:Today's entire episode has been one giant unlearned.
Speaker A:But because repetition always helps us remember, here is the summary version.
Speaker A:Today's Unlearn is about one of the oldest myths we've inherited, and that is that witches are evil.
Speaker A:For centuries, we were told that witches were a danger to society.
Speaker A:Corruptors of morals, enemies of God.
Speaker A:But that myth wasn't about truth.
Speaker A:It was about control.
Speaker A:It taught us to distrust power that didn't look like authority.
Speaker A:So what if the witch was never evil?
Speaker A:What if she was just free?
Speaker A:The witch stands for resistance, community, survival, the courage to exist without permission.
Speaker A:When we reclaim her, we reclaim our right to belong to ourselves.
Speaker A:This week, share a witch story, whether it's fictional, historical, or something that you feel is very real in your life, share that with your child or a close friend and ask what makes this character powerful?
Speaker A:Let that question open a doorway to conversations about bravery, authenticity, and being misunderstood.
Speaker A:When we unlearn fear of rebellion, we reimagine difference as magic.
Speaker A:Today, we uncover the true history of the witch and how witch hunts, both past and present, reveal what society fears most difference, power and truth.
Speaker A:You learned that witches were never villains.
Speaker A:They were healers, rebels, survivors.
Speaker A:Reclaiming their story helps us teach our kids courage and compassion in a world that still punishes what it doesn't understand.
Speaker A:When your child is drawn to witches, monsters, or magic, it's not darkness calling.
Speaker A:It's curiosity.
Speaker A:It's their imagination, and it's the memory of power that was never truly lost.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for being part of this brave, thoughtful community.
Speaker A:Remember that new episodes drop every Tuesday and Friday, so make sure you follow and subscribe.
Speaker A:And if you want to keep exploring what it means to raise brave, kind kids and to unlearn fear along the way, visit MoreHumanMoreKind.com until next time.
Speaker A:Stay curious, stay kind, and remember what society tries to burn, it can never truly destroy.
Speaker A:Sa.
