This episode delves into the cinematic exploration of the film "Say Anything," a work that has garnered both acclaim and critique over the years. We engage in a rigorous examination of the film's narrative, particularly highlighting its central theme: the juxtaposition of romantic idealism against the backdrop of familial dysfunction. Our discourse reflects a spectrum of perspectives, as we navigate the intricate dynamics between the characters portrayed by John Cusack and Ione Skye. While some of us articulate a profound disdain for the film's perceived shortcomings, others find merit in its exploration of youthful aspiration and emotional complexity. Ultimately, we endeavor to dissect the film's cultural legacy and its standing within the pantheon of 1980s cinema, inviting our listeners to reflect on their own interpretations of this iconic piece of film history.

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JJ was in the chicken suit.

You.

You.

You know me.

I was never a key master.

I was the dude that was passed out under the coffee table with popcorn on his face.

Don't get that twisted.

Nobody was trusting me with their keys and staying sober all night.

Welcome to the what's up Podcast, where we fashion ourselves cinematic judge and jury.

My name is J.J. crowder.

I'm here with my co hosts, Mattson Heiner.

Better Red than Dead, and Alec Burch.

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We're into a new month.

It's the month of October.

We let Alec off the hook a little bit because it's not Halloween.

Yes.

Yeah, I was like, we up.

But that's okay.

I kind of got him in the last movie if he hasn't watched it already.

Have you watched us?

No.

Yeah, but it's not that bad.

But it could have been way worse, especially with like.

Like weapons out right now.

We up.

But we also might have gotten Matson divorced some of that.

So.

Yeah.

So anyway, October.

We're doing John Cusack October.

Again, no alliteration.

I'm sad, but that's okay.

We're spoiled and we didn't appreciate.

Yeah, I know, right?

The first month.

It'll never be as good, but we're kicking it off with the classic say anything.

It was written by and directed by Cameron Crowe.

Stars John Cusack, Ione Sky, John Mahoney, Lily Taylor, Amy Brooks, Pamela Adlon, Jason Gould, Lauren Dean, Polly Platt, Jeremy Piven, and Glenn Walker Harris Jr.

It is about a noble underachiever and a beautiful, valid valedictorian.

Fall in love in the summer before she goes off to college.

That's a weak sauce synopsis, but sure, I guess it captures the.

The big story beats Alec.

This was your pick.

Why'd you pick this one?

Man, this movie gets far too much credit.

Ah.

As it is.

It is.

It is not anywhere near a good movie, let alone in like any conversation for being the best movie ever.

But there's one scene in it, everybody knows the scene and it's giving it like cult status or just classic status.

And it gives the movie a free pass.

I hate this movie.

Really with a passion.

Really, really.

It gives way too much credit.

It is not, it's not good.

So of course I put it in the podcast fair.

That's a.

As a resident, man of the people.

Just so you know, if there's a movie I don't like, we're probably not gonna watch it.

I'll save you all the pain.

So as we know, Alex, a little twisted.

Makes sense.

Twisted.

Interesting.

So I'm like one against two on this one.

Is that what I'm hearing?

I think Max.

Oh, I, I.

No, I'm definitely not strongly as opinion as Alec.

Like I do.

I prefer another movie we're going to review over this as a better version of this movie.

Being Better Off Dead.

That feels a lot like it.

But that movie just did it better and probably.

But I'd never seen say anything until I've seen it.

I remember I seen on TV that iconic scene we'll talk about.

But for a second I was like, wait, is this a movie that I know I've seen being better off?

Then I was like, no, it's not.

But it has like shades of randomness and weirdness that fit.

You could have just take some of the scenes in this movie and put in better option like all right, well, probably fit.

I didn't mind it.

I didn't like love it.

But it was entertaining at more than a few spots and I've seen way, way, way, way, way worse things in this movie.

Just a kind of a.

It's an odd movie.

It is a very odd movie.

And I won't say that I completely 100 disagree with Alec in that it is, it is.

It doesn't deserve the status that it garners.

Right.

And I think there's a couple things for that.

One, John Cusack when he was this young was like up and coming until he did a couple of movies later that kind of made his career really weird.

One of which has already been mentioned with Better Off Dead.

Like what a weird ass movie.

But anyway, the other piece that I don't.

It is all based on one real scene.

Right?

Like and it's a throwaway scene if you really get into it because there's nothing even.

There's no value add to the movie other than it's Cool.

Seeing him hold the boombox and poor John Cusack struggling to hold that some up because that was a big ugly bastard, that thing.

And.

And as somebody that grew up in this time frame, like every kid my age has tried this and we're like, that.

That thing's heavy.

But I. I do like parts of this movie, like, beyond just what makes it famous, like, I think it's a very weird movie and there's some really whiplashy parts where you're like, wait, what the fuck am I watching?

But what I really like is like the last 30 minutes from the.

The iconic stereo holding scene.

And after.

I really like this movie.

I think it's got a very interesting story that they went away from because they were trying to make this more of a happy ish movie, right?

And silly in a lot of places.

But, like, the idea of this.

This goofy kid that's got a rough life on the surface, right, Chasing after this valedictorian that's got this, like, perfect, you know, pampered life.

And the fact that when you look at it deep in.

Look at each life deep into the story, like, it's the exact opposite.

John Cusack's character's got this really, what looks like on the outside, a tough life, tougher life anyway, right?

But at the end of the day, his life's pretty good.

He's got a support system.

He's got people that care about him, people that want him to succeed and are there for him to support him.

And then you got this girl that's smart and got money and all this.

And on the surface, looks like her life's great.

Turns out her dad's a crook, albeit a white collar criminal, but still like a pretty gnarly criminal too, because he's stealing from old people.

Like, it's wild.

And so like that juxtaposition of these two different stories, but we don't get into that.

Like, you get little hints of it of, you know, that they're investigating her dad, whatever, throughout the movie, but you don't actually get into the meat of that and how it impacts these two human beings and the decisions they make until after they break up.

And he does this, you know, the in your eyes moment and like.

And I'm like, I would love to have had that been more of a thing throughout it.

I didn't even need the dad trying to get him to break up.

Like, I think it would have made more sense if they had fought over the fact that they had such wildly different lives versus dad's Pressuring me to go to school without a boyfriend.

Like, I hate that part of the story, but everything surrounding it, I'm like, I think it's a very interesting study in human nature and how a lot of times opposites attract in love.

Right.

Especially, like social status, things like that.

Like, you see a lot of that in high school and.

And young love, if you will, to.

Not to coin a cheesy phrase, but.

And then this just ugliness that's hiding in their lives or what seemingly wasn't a great life, but they have a lot of what you could ask for from like an emotional or support, you know, specific realm.

Anyway, I just think it's very interesting, but it's not accomplished.

And you.

Like, I have no idea what the I'm watching until that moment when you're like, oh, wait, there's some serious going on.

Let's just stop.

You.

Like, I never.

My mind never even got that serious because this movie didn't help me get to that point because it was just weird.

Through a lot of it.

What I'm really wanting to know, and I think what America wants to know is were these parties that the party that they displayed in this movie.

Jj, were you a key master at a party once upon a time?

JJ was in the chicken suit.

You.

You.

You know me, I was never a key master.

I was the dude that was passed out under the coffee table with popcorn on his face.

Don't get that twisted.

Nobody was trusting me with their keys and staying sober.

That seems so funny to me.

When she shows up.

I remember turning the tails.

Like, she clearly hasn't really been to any party because she is dressed out to, like, then she's going to homecoming or something right now.

And he's in like, his was this movie made in the 80s, early 90s.

80s.

80S.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

He's like his 80s vibes with his trench coat things.

Got his John Bender coat on.

Yeah.

And which probably fit for the times, but I was like, man, they could be more polar opposite.

And showing up to this party and every.

You can.

It's just funny to see.

He was clearly like in with that crowd.

And she was quickly like, the hell did I get myself into?

Like, I gotta get out of here.

And then she's on the phone with her dad.

You're like, girl, this is weird.

That whole scene just made me chuckle because there was just such random bits.

And I was like.

That was indicative of this whole movie.

There was just a lot of weird things that they put in front of you.

And most of the time, I was here for it.

I was like, all right, this is not making a whole ton of sense.

There's a narrative underneath it that these two people are gonna end up together.

But in what world does this actually happen?

Probably never in reality, but I was entertained and I sure loved that party scene.

There's multiple things that.

That made me laugh.

Like the guy at the end, I was so drunk.

He was like, hyper Jeremy Piven.

Dude, love, Jerry.

You can't have a John Cusack film without Jeremy Piven.

That guy made me laugh.

But like, this movie as well, like John Cusack, he looked like.

I mean, he kind of looked like he was in high school in this movie.

He might have been close enough in age, but shoot.

Dude.

He was not a good looking dude at that point.

Not that he ever really got to be one.

But he had, like, no chin, like, completely baby face, pasty white.

I was like, bro, ain't no way she's showing up with you because you'd, like, fade away into the background because you look like a ghost.

Jesus.

This guy.

So judgmental.

I mean, I could say it.

I'm pasty white myself.

I mean, we just.

We game.

Recognized game.

There you go.

There you go.

So funny.

So funny.

Yeah, listen.

No, go ahead, Alex.

I was gonna say.

So most of my hate stems from this one stupid scene because it's a scene that my wife is obsessed with and mad because I won't entertain it at all.

Right?

Like, that's how she wanted me to propose and stuff like that.

And I kind of told her, get.

And so she.

She claims that she loves this movie because of that scene.

Right.

We're watching it because I couldn't watch it without her, obviously.

Sure.

And she points out something that I never noticed before, but now that I didn't notice it, it is never gonna leave my.

My brain is, where the fuck is he doing this?

Because she lives in the suburbs, right?

We see street with houses on it, and this motherfucker's in a goddamn park with picnic tables and a dirt road.

So where in the world is this?

What kind of speakers this sound system got that it's going a quarter mile to where she's living.

Oh, God.

And so Oshi pointed that out, and now it's permanently etched in my brain to go with the terrible scene that I hate also just does not make sense, logistically speaking.

There's no way you're just underestimating the fact that Seattle has parks everywhere.

No, I'm telling you.

Did you know this is a fact.

Matson, you may or may not know this about the state that you now live in, but Seattle itself, the guy, one of the guys that founded it or was part of it like, or some.

I don't remember if it was later on, but there was somebody that made a law that said every.

There has to be a park within a certain amount of mileage of every home in.

In Seattle.

Seriously?

No, like what Seattle's park rule.

I'm telling you, you wait.

And, and so the fact that this.

And listen, this is a Cameron Crow thing.

He loves Seattle.

So a lot of his takes place in Seattle and pretty sure that's where this is.

Is in Washington.

Well, yeah, I don't remember the distance, but I'm pretty sure it has to be like walking distance or something like that.

Within a certain mileage there has to be.

There's not a single law.

But it's a goal.

Oh, is that what it's a goal?

I mean they do pretty good at it from my understanding.

Like there's parks all over.

The reason being is because they need to give people hope in the freaking fall and winter months and blow their brains out.

What they need is like a mini sun that shows up and says, you know what?

In this special area, it's going to be bright and shiny and dry.

I would assume that your pasty ass would like the fact that it's overcast.

Most of the time, but I like partly cloudy and I like to see that.

I don't want to be a soggy wet piece of bread half the year.

I'm okay with that.

All right, so what I found.

And you guys might have found something different.

It's got to be a 10 minute walk.

There it is.

That's what.

Yeah, that makes sense.

Or that's.

That's the goal.

Yeah.

Okay, so 10 minutes.

Bit early wrenches in my.

Dude, I'm just saying there's a lot of parks in.

In Washington.

JJ, let's not get this twisted.

In the 80s you didn't need to wear a seatbelt in the car.

And you could smoke in airplane.

Dude, my favorite place to be on the freeway in the 80s was in my.

The back shelf that was in the window of my parents car.

Let's not with the business.

There wasn't anything good for humanity at that point.

Which is also probably why we have problems today.

But I will say not smoking on an airplane problem.

I mean I'm here for that because.

People were way tougher back then.

Look, we used to have this when we had a bunch of people.

I had to sit in the middle, hump seat in the back with no seat belt.

Let's, let's.

Yeah.

Trust me.

And I'm still here hanging out.

I mean people are tougher because they gotta lug around a 30 pound boombox just to get a girl's attention.

That's right.

And turn it up so loud that she can hear from a half mile away.

She could have been across the street.

He just said they had a park that was in the center of their neighborhood.

Dude, don't.

Don't make it more complicated than it actually.

Classic Alec finding something rich ass neighborhood.

Like that is not gonna have a park in the middle of it.

Yeah, probably would actually.

That's.

Yeah.

Wood doesn't say either that or it.

Might be like probably probably lived in Bellevue or Redmond and.

Absolutely they had a.

In the 80s, golf wasn't as popular as it is today.

Dude, they.

There wasn't a golf course in every single city.

They were rare back then.

Just be with the rich people.

And they certainly didn't build houses around golf courses like they do now.

That's just dangerous.

I think people.

I'm just waiting for Alec to expound upon some golf story conspiracy theory that he was.

He's been waiting to burn or something.

Don't have any golf conspiracy stories.

Well, now all you guys are doing is maybe want to go golf.

But that's neither here nor there when it comes to say anything but.

Yeah, I don't know.

Like, listen, do I think that this movie deserves the like classic status that it gets?

Probably not.

Like, I, I don't.

There's not anything innately that stands out to this movie other than the fact that some dumbass in a trench coat and weird 80s tennis shoes with his jean because he.

With his jeans like strapped to his leg because they had to like the.

The freaking stretchy at the bottom of their jeans.

Like there's such an 80s staple but like there's not anything as far.

But that's a. I, I don't know.

And I think about Cameron Crow too.

Like I always think about directors and what they.

This is his first movie that he ever directed and so.

And now he's come out with some of the best movies.

Like.

Well, I don't want to say that but they're very.

Some very classic movies that are out there.

I mean like the guy did Jerry Maguire.

He did.

What else did he do.

He's done a lot of stuff.

A lot with Jeremy Piven, a lot with John Cusack, actually.

But like, yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where there's.

He's a weird dude.

So he's got some weird movies that he does.

Like he.

Almost Famous, Jerry Maguire, it was another one that was a big vanilla sky.

So he does weird.

And I guess that's why I think about.

Because when I first saw this movie, I was really young and all I saw was the goofy and the don't even just go the away dude.

Pretty sure I was like 12 and it came out on VHS and it was.

But yeah, I mean, it's not like, yeah, it doesn't stand out.

And I.

But it was a good launching point for Cameron Crow, I guess.

And that's where I get when I think about the underlying story.

Like, he stopped trying to be cute later on in life, like, and he just went for the darker, heavier content in, like, when you watch Almost Famous or even Jerry Maguire for that matter.

Jerry Maguire does it a little bit better in that there's a lot of funny and there's a lot of goofy, but it never lets go of the challenge and the.

The underlying story.

So obviously he grew as a director.

But yeah, this movie feels really disjointed in a lot of ways.

And I think that's where I get frustrated is like, it's like pure comedy.

The first 45 minutes and then the last 30, you're like, the.

Are we doing like, got dads going to jail.

We got 18 and 19 year olds going to England together.

Like, this got wild, like, real quick.

So I. I do get really.

It's very whiplashy, I will say that.

But it does hold some nostalgia to me.

So I'm like, like the scene where at the end of the park and they drive that guy all the way back to his house that, like, lived.

I guess he lived in like core Seattle, but shoot, I was like, did they go to another city or like in Portland?

Like, what the hell?

This took forever.

What was the point of showing that?

They drove all the way back.

I know there's some dialogue, but I was like, why did we do that?

Like, who could?

Like, I don't know.

I think it showed that they clearly hung up for longer than they thought, all that.

And they wanted to show that scene in the street where he was celebrating, which is funny, but just some questionable.

I mean, this movie was short.

Like, don't get me wrong, love that.

But I just Yeah, I think Jay said it best.

That's just what I remember about this movie.

There was multiple times I was like, what is actually happening here?

Like, what.

What am I watching?

But the part about I liked is like, I didn't.

I enjoyed like, those.

Most of it.

I was just like, yeah, this.

The storytelling, as Jay alluded to, just feels disjointed.

And I wasn't sure what I was supposed to be feeling throughout the movie because it flip flopped a little bit and I was like, oh, this is getting more serious at the end.

But I wasn't feeling serious at all about this movie until like the last 40 or 30 minutes.

And now you want me to go from a comedy to, like a drama?

I'm confused, and I think that's the hardest part about this movie for me.

Yeah, for sure.

I'm gonna have to add more Cameron Crow movies to drive you guys crazy.

No, thanks, I'm good.

I will say that's my new go to for Alec, though.

Besides horror is Cameron Crow.

I mean, Alec picked this.

So, like, he did it for the contrary.

Yeah, yeah, he did it so we wouldn't have like, this.

Alec, do you like hammering your own fingernails?

Why would I ever hammer my own.

Your.

Why would you ever pick a movie you didn't like and watch it again?

I don't know.

For the beauty of discussion.

Yes.

And probably the people know, Madison, that this is not as good as everybody hypes it up to be.

That would be.

Be like.

Like picking a Zack Snyder movie just to prove a point.

And I think I just get progressively angrier throughout, like, the whole watching of it and just like, quit this podcast.

That's what it would do to me, Alex.

Like, so more Zack Snyder.

Okay.

Was a listener turned co host.

He knows that they're.

That's still my episode, by the way.

It's been a long time since I went volatile on a podcast.

In fact, it's probably been.

I can't even think of the last time there's only been a couple.

But yeah, I haven't felt that.

That passion.

But I still remember sitting in my basement, laughing my ever loving ass off, trying not to knock the table over.

Matson losing his mind because we recorded it right after we watched the movie at my house.

Like, oh, it was wrong.

It was wild.

It was wild.

I have a bookmark.

I go back and listen to it about once every three months.

Great.

It made one of the greatest cold opens of our show too.

Like, if you haven't listened to our.

Our.

What is what was even that movie, the Justice League.

If you don't watch listen to that one.

God, you should go listen to that one because that's funny.

Didn't have video.

God, I wish we had video back then because of course we never got done.

This is.

The depth of this movie is that we.

There's really very little to talk about other than it's a John Cusack movie, so it fits the theme of the month.

But yeah, I, I would like.

This is a movie that I would like a remake of and to have it be.

And I'm rare that I say that, but I would like that and have it be darker and less about the romantic 80s, late 80s romantic comedy where like teenage angst is at the forefront, but instead like some real life.

That's a great story.

And yeah, I was thinking about Camera Crow because he.

We just.

Casey loves this movie called Aloha that he did that I hate.

And it's the same movie.

Like it's just in it only as adults.

Like that's.

It's pretty much if like these two's lives went on in life and then we came back and revisited after a weird divorce and then like a new.

That's what, that's what Aloha would be.

It's really.

It reminds me of that because I get done watching it with Casey and she goes, oh, it's so funny and weird.

And I'm like.

I feel like I just was in a head on collision.

I'm so whiplash.

Like I don't know what the.

They're trying to show me with this movie.

And that's what this one.

It does do that to me.

I.

This is a movie.

I'm like Alec, I put this on in the background and it's great white noise because I'll hear something.

I go, oh yeah, I want to watch this part like Jeremy Piven running out of the party and getting in John Cusack's face for no other reason than he's hammered, right?

And cry like half crying because he takes his keys.

It's funny as.

But then I'm done again for another 25 minutes or whatever, right until the next interesting scene.

But for the most part it is what it is.

All right, should we rate it?

Let's do it.

God, might be our shortest episode ever.

Alec, your movie, your start.

Oh, it's gonna be very short.

The best part of the movie for me is the very end where they time like the last five minutes to fade to black for the, the you know, plane crash scenarios that that got.

That gets a chuckle out of me.

But otherwise this movie is way overhyped.

It is not as good as people will have you believe as the pop culture has gotten a hold.

This one strong.

It is a very solid two though.

I'll give this a two out of five if I can avoid it.

I will never watch it again.

That's.

That's higher than I thought you'd give it.

I'm gonna give it a two and a half.

I. I think it's a middle of the road movie.

I. I agree.

It's not what the hype would have it be, right?

I also think that 80s movies like this, everybody was copying John Holmes and they.

Or not.

John Holmes.

What the.

His name?

John Holmes.

You can get there.

No, but you can get there.

Why am I.

Why am I talking about a 80s porn star right now?

Like, that's John Holmes.

Why can I not think of his name?

Come on.

Come on, J.J. get there.

Don't make me do this, Alex.

Making my brain hurt.

What's his name?

You can do it anyway.

Yeah, like.

No, I know you can.

I really won't get there anyway.

You know, like Breakfast Club guy.

Like that's.

That's it.

I know who I'm talking about.

Home Alone, Breakfast Club.

Pretty in Pink.

Come on.

Sweet 16.

16 candles.

Rather like.

I know who it is.

And I keep wanting to say it's John, but it's not.

Anyway, I'm gonna let it go.

No, don't do that, J.J. but everybody.

Was trying to recreate what the magic that he found, right?

And he was able to tell stories, but he tells great stories that are holistic and run from start to finish.

This one's a mess.

It's all over the place.

And.

And he tried to just capture the 80s goofy magic of.

And it just didn't work.

So poo poo Cameron Crow for this one.

But it does have some interesting moments and I do enjoy it.

It's one of my guilty pleasures if I have to.

But John Cusack is one of my guilty pleasures, if I'm being completely honest, which I think I've mentioned in this.

So two and a half for me.

I'll watch it again.

But again, if it comes to John Cusack, it's certainly not my first choice.

So if I've got to pick something else, it's going to be something different.

John Hughes.

God damn it.

God damn it.

John Hughes.

It started with an H. Anyway, I'm.

Gonna give this movie a 2.

A little below average.

The next movie we're gonna review next week.

I. I like certainly more but it's in the same vein.

I just think it's done better and weirder and funnier.

This is like a poor man's better off dead for me in a sense.

Odd movie.

I am happy to have watched it.

I guess.

Say it again, we might believe it's an experience.

It was.

I don't think I'll ever watch this again.

But I mean I was entertained like there.

There's worse you could do.

I don't think anyone in my sphere will ever say let's watch say anything.

But if someone did, I wouldn't immediately shoot it down.

Fair enough.

I will say one more thing before we wrap up.

This thing is that much like most 80s movies.

God, did it have a great soundtrack though.

That is true.

Because listen, if you.

I'm just telling you some things Lost in Translation in the.

In the modern day but if you can pump some Peter Gabriel outside of a girl's window in the late 80s, you were probably gonna get laid.

I'm just saying it doesn't work that way anymore.

You gotta do like Wap, I guess.

I don't know.

But it's certainly not Peter Gabriel.

We need to get back to good music being what drops.

Never mind, I'll stop there.

Alec, tell everybody where else they can find us, buddy.

Happy to.

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You know, the ones that aren't good enough for tv but definitely not good enough for radio.

And from there, Patreon is the best place to get involved in terms of content.

We are putting votes out every single month for categories and then within those categories.

Movies.

October, John Cusack month.

This is week one.

There's four more.

Three.

Three more.

Three more small month.

Good on that.

So that's place to get involved with the voting.

Voting is absolutely free, so just follow.

So what's our verdict?

Reviews and Patreon to get involved in the content creation there.

If you want to ask us a couple bucks there is a about 600 episodes of Extra content that range from bloops to full length episodes of movies nobody should watch.

Speaking of Patreon, you know, shout out to our patrons Rich and Charles for making us watch some of those movies that nobody should ever have to watch, you know, so enjoy that a little bit more money and you can actually make a stuff that nobody should watch.

And we'll watch it and review it.

So have fun with that.

With that, I will kick it back.

To the fearless leader.

The let's see the wise year of Wap.

Jack Dunn's baby.

It's been a while since I used that one.

A J.J. much appreciated.

Alec.

Yeah.

Go check us out.

It's a lot of fun.

We're weird, we're dumb, but it's fun anyway.

And with that, as always, we appreciate you tuning in.

We'll catch you on the next one.

Hasta la vista, baby.

Cinematic la.