Here's what we cover this week!

• School Vouchers and Civil Rights: Highlighting the introduction of school choice in Ohio, which is aimed at bringing educational opportunities to students in rural and poorer areas. This initiative is considered a civil rights issue, as it offers more portability for students to choose their schools.
• Automotive Foreign Tariffs: The impact of a newly announced 25% tariff on foreign-manufactured cars. This is particularly informative for understanding how it might affect domestic manufacturing and potential job creation in the U.S.
• Ohio’s Educational Debate: A nuanced discussion on Senate Bill One in Ohio, which targets DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) in colleges, sparking debates on academic freedom and diversity.

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🔍 Key Takeaways:

• Educational Freedom: School vouchers in Ohio seek to level the playing field, offering students in under-resourced areas more choices for quality education.
• Economic Impact: The car tariff showcases a significant policy shift aimed at bolstering U.S.-based manufacturing and could have widespread effects on the automotive industry.
• Policy and Diversity: Senate Bill One’s approach to DEI in education raises important questions about maintaining diversity while ensuring open academic discourse.

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00:00 Ohio Politics & Policies Overview

07:57 Windmills: Environmental and Operational Issues

14:58 Government Survey Spending Critique

19:07 Fraud in Social Security Calls

23:11 Musk Criticizes Government Spending Waste

27:12 Tariff on Foreign Car Imports

34:24 ClearView: Social Media Image Identification

37:43 Public Photos as Police Resource

43:03 Ohio Senate Bill Targets DEI

52:18 Rural School Choice Dilemma

54:37 Public vs Private School Choices

01:01:43 Coach Placed on Leave Amid Charges

01:08:00 Intel Plant Delayed Until 2030

01:11:17 "Revive Classic Coke Jingle"

01:14:54 Tooth Found in Diner's Food

Recorded at the 511 Studios, in the Brewery District in downtown Columbus, OH.

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Copyright 2025 Common Sense Ohio

Stephen Palmer is the Managing Partner for the law firm, Palmer Legal Defense. He has specialized almost exclusively in criminal defense for over 26 years. Steve is also a partner in Criminal Defense Consultants, a firm focused wholly on helping criminal defense attorneys design winning strategies for their clients.

Norm Murdock is an automobile racing driver and owner of a high-performance and restoration car parts company. He earned undergraduate degrees in literature and journalism and graduated with a Juris Doctor from the University of Cincinnati College of Law in 1985. He worked in the IT industry for two years before launching a career in government relations in Columbus, Ohio. Norm has assisted clients in the Transportation, Education, Healthcare, and Public Infrastructure sectors.

Brett Johnson, My Podcast Guy®, is an award-winning podcast consultant and small business owner for nearly 10 years, leaving a long career in radio. He is passionate about helping small businesses tell their story through podcasts, and he believes podcasting is a great opportunity for different voices to speak and be heard.

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Norm Murdock [: 00:00:00

Welcome to another edition of Common Sense Ohio. As you can see, one of the three is gone. Norm's here. Brett's here. Steve is out doing his job. So, today's episode brought you by. As always, Harper and Company CPA, Harper c p excuse me. Harpercpa+.com and get that website out.

Brett Johnson [: 00:00:20

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Brett Johnson [: 00:01:09

I use them for my business. I feel so comfortable in running my business because I'm working with them. They're great. That's harper c p a plus dot com. Today in history, some really cool stuff.

Norm Murdock [: 00:01:21

Crazy stuff. Yeah. Today in '71, '19 '70 '1 was, Ed Sullivan's last show, and, that was an epic show. I mean, you know, the Beatles, Elvis Presley. Everybody who is anybody, in the sixties and early, you know, up to '71, of course, kinda debuted their act on, The Ed Sullivan Show. You know,

Brett Johnson [: 00:01:45

that type of show doesn't exist anymore if you

Norm Murdock [: 00:01:46

think

Brett Johnson [: 00:01:46

about it. That you you The variety show. You have to be on that show. Like, because it turned into The Tonight Show, basically. Yeah. That if you want to do it, you've gotta be on with Carson Yeah. In Tonight Show. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:01:57

Yeah. It that doesn't really exist anymore.

Norm Murdock [: 00:01:59

No. It doesn't. And and people love those shows back in the day. And it was kinda fun. Some of those shows were were broadcast live. I mean, you know. Yeah. I mean, they were not tape delayed.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:12

So, crazy stuff happened.

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:15

Especially when you get kids and pets. Those were the two danger zones. And then and then well, introducing rock and roll, of course, was a danger zone. But yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:21

I highly recommend for those that wanna do a little research, on DuckDuckGo or Google or whatever, look up Ed Ames on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson when they were throwing, tomahawks. And you will seriously, you're you're gonna need a box of Kleenex, and and you're gonna need something to, recover. So you you need a pillow or the funniest skit that ever went wrong on live TV. It's just I won't say what happened. It's too funny.

Brett Johnson [: 00:02:54

Oh my gosh. Yeah. What else you got?

Norm Murdock [: 00:02:56

Michael Jordan, on this day in 1990, scored 69 points in one game. It was the fourth time that he scored over 60 points by himself in one game. I mean, it's I I don't know how you do that. Was he

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:10

with was he with the, with Cleveland at that point in time?

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:13

I think he was with Chicago.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:14

Chicago. Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:15

The Bulls.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:16

Okay. The Bulls.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:16

The Bulls.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:17

Alright. Yeah. I'm my mind went to something else. I'm sorry. Yeah. When you said that my mind went to LeBron, why I thought that? I'm sorry. Yeah. No.

Brett Johnson [: 00:03:23

No. That's cool. Wow.

Norm Murdock [: 00:03:24

And then, 1990, George Bush gave Jesse Owens, the famous Olympian from Ohio, Went to Ohio State, I should say. He was born in Michigan, but we won't hold that against Jesse. Was my honor to meet him when as a kid and shake his hand. He got the congressional gold medal, posthumously from, president Bush. So today, we got all kinds of stuff to talk about. Mhmm. Like, we're gonna get into Doge. There was this epic interview on Fox with Bret Baier that just blew the lid off of of what they're doing and who these people are.

Norm Murdock [: 00:04:02

We're talking about George Bush or we're talking George Bush. I'm sure a lot of people wish George Bush was still president, but we're gonna talk about, Donald Trump's tariff of 25% on foreign imported cars, Talk a little bit about Dave Yost on the Glenn Beck show talking about this ClearView facial recognition software, senate bill one. Governor DeWine's gonna sign to ban DEI at colleges and universities. Some school choice stuff, some, some teacher, coach, police officer stuff. You know, what do you do when somebody's been accused of something, but they're not convicted yet? How do you red flag them from going to another district or another department when it's unknown, you know, the hiring entity has no idea these people are a potential bad apple? We've had that in Ohio. The Intel deal in in Ohio is crashing hard. They kicked the opening day estimate to twenty thirty, get into that. And then, some, you know, this this battle, shaping up before the Supreme Court between the federal district courts.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:14

That's the lowest federal court system. 600 of those judges versus, the the the ones that are politicized are are basically the only entities that seem to be able to slow down Donald Trump. And, so there's a pitch battle coming there.

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:31

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:31

So Yeah. Little little preview. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:33

A little bit.

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:34

Exactly. What do you do you have some stuff that

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:36

you can

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:36

pay out in?

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:36

I I wanted to add one more thing. We we discussed this off air about, today was the, and I'll bring this to today's discussion, a nuclear disaster through my 3 Mile Island app today back in 1979. Wow. Which you brought up a piece I did not realize, which I love this because we're we've had discussions about energy and where this energy is gonna have to come from

Norm Murdock [: 00:05:57

Big thing.

Brett Johnson [: 00:05:57

Because of of the the, you know, of Amazon's hubs and and Google, all these. Everybody. Yeah. And you mentioned that I did and I'd missed this, that Amazon actually bought 3 Mile Island Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:11

Bezos. For its

Brett Johnson [: 00:06:12

for its energy, because one of the two reactors is still in play.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:16

It's still in play. It was mothball, I think, a couple years ago, maybe maybe a little bit, longer. But in recent history, it had operated right up, like I say, a couple three, four years ago, whatever. And then it was considered impractical because of the rates of electricity, to continue to, you know, maintain and and and, continue operating that that the one that was not damaged. There were two reactors, and one is permanently sealed, never to be reopened. The other one, as I said, continued to operate, and Bezos bought it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:06:54

I love that.

Norm Murdock [: 00:06:54

Which is just incredible.

Brett Johnson [: 00:06:56

It's incredibly smart, plus you're hearing rumblings of the energy use and that those that are sucking up so much energy Yes. They may have to do something like this. They'll it'll be interesting how the AEPs and the Duke Energies of the world look at this. Absolutely. Because if they're generating their own energy, they're not paying AEP or Duke or, you know, whoever it might be any money. So it'll be interesting about the pushback.

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:19

We're going on over forty years since the, NRC, Regulatory Commission, nuclear record, has has licensed a new plant. So I think what Bezos is doing is kind of ingenious. He found a plant that was mothballed, and rather than getting a permit to build it, right, he he's gotta go through all the safety hoops and loops, but he's he's gonna re he doesn't have to build this one.

Brett Johnson [: 00:07:43

I love it. I love it. And it's just real I think it's a great experiment. I I really do. And, again, it's the it's the energy answer Yeah. That it's that we're all concerned about where all this is coming from and how it's gonna affect our rates and stuff. Well, if you got your own little plant

Norm Murdock [: 00:07:57

Yeah. Well, we, you know, we we talk about the the deal with windmills, and and there seems to be concern that, you know, out at sea, when they're at sea, that it confuses, whale herds. And then on land, it seems to be chopping up bald eagles and, you know, other birds that, you know, fly into the blades. And, in Texas, famously, we talked about this on the show when it happened. The windmills froze. They they happen to get some really bitter cold weather. And Texas, which has all this oil and natural gas. Right? There there were there were whole parts of Texas that didn't have any electricity for days on end because the, the the the mills the the blades froze on the hub, and they wouldn't turn, so no electricity.

Norm Murdock [: 00:08:51

So, you know, with with the, I guess, instability or unreliability of some of the sources of energy, not to mention coal, which, you know, causes you know, you gotta scrub it to get the pollutants out, the sulfur, and, you know, prevent acid rain. So there's all these downsides, but nuclear is pretty darn clean. Man. If you don't have a Chernobyl, if you don't have a 3 Mile Island, if you don't have a Fukushima, right, that that got hit by that tsunami wave, if you don't have those kinds of accidents, otherwise, nuclear power is like I mean, there's no emissions.

Brett Johnson [: 00:09:33

Right. I I would think Pennsylvania is fairly safe for weather. I mean, the only thing maybe would be earthquake, you know, fault lines.

Norm Murdock [: 00:09:40

And they have plans for that. I would think that's what of course, terrorism. Yeah. And, you know, they I think one of the standards for a power plant, a nuclear power plant, is the cement casing has to believe this or not, folks, that casing has to be airliner proof. They actually have a standard that if an airliner, like what hit the Pentagon, were to hit a nuclear power plant that it would not pierce it would not completely destroy that dome. Oh. So it's feet thick. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:13

Exactly. So, you know, they have thought about a lot of contingencies.

Brett Johnson [: 00:10:17

Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:17

But maybe not so much about terrorism. I am concerned about that, you know, like

Brett Johnson [: 00:10:22

Well, it can happen. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:10:25

Let's let's dive into your news stories. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:10:27

Yeah. So Doge, had this incredible interview, and it was not political at all. I I would urge you to find it on YouTube, or Fox News or whatever platform. It was, it was an hour show. The first half hour was with, the Doge, I hate to call them employees. I guess you would say executives. So one was the cofounder of Airbnb. One was an oil company executive who's on loan to, Elon Musk.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:03

And then Elon Musk was there too. So I was expecting to see, you know, big balls and, you know, the I was expecting to see a bunch of teenage kids that didn't graduate from high school or college. No. No. No. These these were quite impressive executives that have taken leave from their regular jobs and are working as more or less unpaid volunteers or minimally paid volunteers for, Doge. And the things that they presented and the logic that they used was, I I mean, it was overwhelming. And it it really was a pushback on this theme that's starting to percolate that Doge is full of mean people, you know, that wanna just, you know, gut the government and, you know, end all these services.

Norm Murdock [: 00:11:52

And one of the things that they brought up very quickly is most of the people who are being retired or let go or what have whatever mechanism are voluntary. The, the number of people in the federal bureaucracy who have been outright fired is less than 1%. It's actually point 15%, which is what? An eighth of 1%. So they are not they when when they are eliminating jobs, they're doing it in a way that has a parachute attached to it if it's voluntary and, an an extensive amount of of, of pay to transition to a private sector job or just retire. So it's not it's not as meanie as it's been portrayed. People are not just getting pink notices, you're fired, except for less than 1% are in that category. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:12:57

So that's one statistic. We kinda needed this explanation. I mean, we we Americans want to know what is going on. Exactly. Right. And and Exactly. This was not a strategic plan that had to be kept undercover. It's it's sad.

Brett Johnson [: 00:13:11

And and, again, they moved very quickly, and and everybody is is saying that maybe it moved too quickly, shouldn't have been a chainsaw, maybe a bit more scalpel. But if we understand the reasoning behind it, it it kinda goes down a little bit easier. At least at least you understand the process.

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:28

Well, so Elon's appointment is only for a hundred and thirty five days.

Brett Johnson [: 00:13:34

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:13:34

So Right. He may get renewed, but as a special adviser employee who's not taking a paycheck, he's he's he's only there. And he he sort of sounded in the interview like after he hits $1,000,000,000,000 at their goal, his goal in savings to the federal budget that he he probably will not stick around after that.

Brett Johnson [: 00:14:01

Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:02

So he's under a little bit of a time pressure, Brett. I think that's why they're moving so fast.

Brett Johnson [: 00:14:07

And and and and it's a good reminder. I'd forgotten what the day limit was. I couldn't remember how long. But yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:12

He he doesn't have much time, you know, into and plus he's got all these other companies. Oh, yeah. SpaceX, Tesla. He's, you know Yeah. Busy guy.

Brett Johnson [: 00:14:22

Right. Well, he owns a business, and he can't this is not his full time gig.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:27

So they they rolled out some stats that you're, like I mean, mind blowing stuff. And then they gave some examples. So let me give an example that at least a guy like me, a pretty simple guy, I can wrap my head around this. They gave an example that the National Park Service, okay, has a survey for people who use the national parks. Were you pleased with your visit? Were the rangers polite? You know, a survey. Right? That kind of stuff. Did you see a bear? Did you see a moose? Whatever. Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:14:58

So they have a survey. They are paying a company $1,000,000,000 to maintain this survey, And I don't know how they use it or if they even use it. But, you know, Musk pointed out that instead of a billion dollars, for $10,000 on SurveyMonkey, the National Park Service could do the exact same survey. Right? And and and there just seems to be, like, this overall lack of creativity or out of the box thinking within the federal government. It's like everything has to be done the old way. And another example of the old way, in the nineteen fifties, if you're a federal employee, your retirement documents, your entire, like, history and your benefits are stored on paper in a mountain, in a cave in Pennsylvania. Four hundred million pieces of paper on pallets that when let's say you you you do twenty years, okay, at the National Institute of something. Right? And you're gonna retire.

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:09

You have to do a weeks long, like, course on how to retire, number one. The federal government has a maximum workload. They can only retire 8,000 people per month because they literally have to go to the mountain cave,

Brett Johnson [: 00:16:26

go to

Norm Murdock [: 00:16:27

the file cabinet, go to the the rack that the files are kept in, and physically find, you know, missus Mary Smith. I gotta find Mary Smith, you know, in Sevierville, Tennessee who works for the TVA. Right? And I got I gotta find her papers. And then so they're going to they're gonna digitize all this stuff. And it's gonna take them weeks and months to do that. But at the end of the day, think of how much more efficient that will be both for for the benefit of the federal worker who wants to have their employment records at the tips of their finger.

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:04

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:04

They will be able to go in, check their own Social Secure or excuse me, their own retirement plan, see what their pension is, see what their Social Security benefits are, and, you know, will be you you'll be able to enter the modern age. Who would have thought that we have a paper system for federal employee retirement?

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:24

Well, and I I guess I could see the benefit of it. It's it's the safest thing you can have. It's not in the Internet. I can see that. I I but it's old school. But like you said before, it's old school. It's It it existed before the the digitally. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:37

It's leftover from the from the 1950.

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:40

I would think if there's nothing no personal information that's going to be digitized, which, again, we all get scared about this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:17:48

Well, there is gonna be. I mean, it's your it's your retirement.

Brett Johnson [: 00:17:50

Right? You know what? Yeah. All of our stuff is out there already. It is. Our information is out there already. Well, somebody Digitizing this won't change anything. It just adds more information to it. Your stuff's on the dark web. My stuff's on the dark web.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:03

We get notices all the time. You know, if you sign up for a dark web, or, you know, like a Google alert or something like that, that your stuff's out there already. So we really shouldn't be too scared about digitizing and putting it on a a secure server.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:17

Well, no no more so than our defense secrets or any other thing the federal government does.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:22

Right? Right. Right. Exactly. Exactly. No no no.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:23

We're just talking about computerizing. So if you work for, I don't know, General Motors, you can bet your bottom dollar General Motors has your retirement plan on a computer. Yeah. But the federal government does not for its own employees, which is fabulous.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:38

And and, you know, I'm sure it just comes down to the edge. There's no game plan to digitize it. So it took if they did, it would have to take a committee. They'd have to do a year's worth of research, two years worth of how to do it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:48

They would talk it to them.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:49

I'll talk it to them. To maybe commit a subcommittee.

Norm Murdock [: 00:18:52

They're just gonna do it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:18:53

I'm sure you know what? I bet it's been discussed, but it's been poo pooed because of this, that, or the other. So then that's good. I mean, yes. If you're retiring, you want that information more quickly, and it allows, like, allows more than 8,000 a month to retire if that's the case.

Norm Murdock [: 00:19:07

Well, some speaking of retirement, some other crazy statistics say they disclose. Every day, the Social Security Administration gets calls to change the bank deposit, the the the location of where your Social Security check will be deposited. They get calls every day for that. Thousands. And Elon disclosed that 40% of those calls are fraud. Forty percent of the calls that the SSA gets are requests on the phone to to, discontinue payment to this Chase Bank account or Huntington or whatever, Park National, and to this other account, to the fraudsters account. Right? So, two things are coming out of this. It got portrayed as a negative.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:02

So what Trump and Doge are saying is when seniors when retirees want to do that, from now on, they're have going to have to physically do that. They're going to have to present themselves with ID to make sure that a fraudster isn't redirecting their deposits.

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:21

How does that work when they're closing up Social Security offices, though?

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:24

Well, they're not gonna close-up all of them. Okay. You know?

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:27

Because it doesn't mean it doesn't make it very convenient to do it, you know?

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:30

They're not talking about closing up all of them. They're talking about reducing some of the Yeah. I mean, this is crazy

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:36

anyway that you No. No.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:38

No. I mean, it's kinda nuts that you would be able, right now, legally, to call Social Security and, on the phone, be able to talk an individual into changing the deposit location of your check. Yeah. That's nuts.

Brett Johnson [: 00:20:52

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:20:53

That's crazy. And and and when you think that four out of 10 calls is fraudulent, you're protecting people.

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:01

Right. Oh, for sure.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:02

I mean, this isn't Oh, yeah. This is not an attack on Social Security, but it's being portrayed that way by people who just, you know, are enemies of the Trump administration. I mean, they're they're they're they're picking at things that are are senseless.

Brett Johnson [: 00:21:16

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:21:16

One of the other things that they they portrayed, is $400,000,000,000,000 over the last couple of decades have been paid out from one bank account one bank account that serves 500 departments of the federal government. So there's a single bank account for 500 agencies and departments, and 400,000,000,000,000 of those payments have no identification code that a guy like Glenn Harper and a an auditor or an accountant can go trace a hundred million dollars to x y z corporation from this bank account. And and you you cannot, without tremendous amounts of research, figure out what department cut that check and why. So, I mean, they're they're gonna try to modernize the payment system.

Brett Johnson [: 00:22:11

Yeah. Well I mean. Rectify, make it so it's kind of legal?

Norm Murdock [: 00:22:16

So you can

Brett Johnson [: 00:22:16

It's not even modernizing. It's like Yeah. It's it's illegal for auditing purposes. Oh my gosh.

Norm Murdock [: 00:22:22

And and, you know, some other fun. You know, some other examples of just outrageous stuff. There's something called the Labor Conciliation Commission, and I read an essay about this. There are people there who have not come into work for years. They have not come they have not reported for work for years, and they're being paid. And some of these people have had, like, their portraits painted, you know, like, on the taxpayer's dime. They they've had they've leased multiple cars from multiple households that they own, okay, on the federal taxpayer. So a couple people had landscapers being paid out of this, account for this agency.

Norm Murdock [: 00:23:11

And so it's just been what what Musk is saying is it would horrify people of both from both parties would be horrified at the waste. Because when you think that there's hungry children or there's veterans sleeping under bridges or any or, you know, like, we don't have enough artillery shells to defend our you know, for our own army because we've been shipping them to Ukraine, it's it's like we have needs in this country for our people. Right? For for homeless people. LA has a terrible fire department. Maybe they need a grant. You know? They they couldn't put out that fire or or even stage trucks. You know? Like, there's a lot of stuff, lead in the pipes up in, you know, Flint, Michigan. Or

Brett Johnson [: 00:23:59

Flint. Yeah. Excuse me.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:00

You know what? All I'm saying is

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:01

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:02

Who can be against stuff like instead of the National Parks spending 1,000,000,000 on a survey, spend 10,000, do the same survey, but outsource it. That leaves you $999,000,000 to do something else, maybe build a new guest lodge at Yosemite. I don't know.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:23

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:23

But I mean, it all I'm saying is this this attack on Doge that currently is kinda getting popular with people, I think you're right, Brett. I think a lot of it is bad communication Yeah. Bad transparency. Yes. They're putting the receipts up on a website in more or less real time, but they need to do more communication

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:46

Explain explain what you're putting

Norm Murdock [: 00:24:47

out there. Explain what you're doing.

Brett Johnson [: 00:24:48

And and, again, if mistakes if mistakes happen, I shouldn't say even when if. When mistakes happen, because it's going to happen. It was missed like, there's something Anyway, I forget the example in my mind, but I I remember it's like, it was just misread. Okay. That really wasn't this. It was this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:04

That's right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:05

It's going to happen because, again, it's that, you know, the the the the Elon chainsaw kind of feel to it. But I think if we explain what's going on, give us an opportunity to digest Yeah. The the actions Yeah. And justify it going, okay. That makes sense. Yes. We can So it's not so scary. Spend whether we spend 10,000 or let's say it's even a hundred thousand dollars on Oh my god.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:27

On the on the surveys,

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:28

That's still

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:29

a huge savings.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:30

Rather than a billion?

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:31

Exact yeah. Come on. A billion? Give me a break. Exactly. You know? So anyway, that's good.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:36

You know you know, I think also, Brett, part of this is, like, the personality of a CEO. They're not used to answering to people. No. So so you take the richest man in the world, right, who runs, you know, these mega corporations that he owns. Mhmm. Right? He's used to just issuing orders and not reporting to anybody.

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:57

Yeah. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:25:58

Right? I

Brett Johnson [: 00:25:59

I know. Other than his stockholders, I guess. Right. Ultimately.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:01

But I own the company. You know? And and so, like, yeah, if we're gonna change the windshield on that, I tell you right now, change the windshield. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:09

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:09

Right. And and then they do it. But you bring him into government service. He needs to understand PR. Yeah. And I think this has been a good lesson for him.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:21

And and Trump could have advised him on that too. Trump Trump gets it. He knows it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:26

Yeah. I think so. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:27

You know? He's been through four years before. Right. If nothing else, just the four years and no one.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:31

And he has a White House spokesperson. Yeah. And I think maybe Doge needs to appoint one.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:36

Maybe. That's true.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:37

And hold daily press conferences and answer these questions.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:40

There you go.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:41

You know? So this this to me, I think, is something everybody should watch. Again, Brett Baer did not hold back. He asked really tough quest he asked about the mistakes, and they admitted to to to making mistakes. So, you know

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:55

That's all we ask. That's all I ask.

Norm Murdock [: 00:26:57

That's right. Transparency.

Brett Johnson [: 00:26:58

Is if you made a mistake, correct it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:00

And own it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:01

Own it. Own it. So Own it. Exactly.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:03

You know, another thing that, came up that's kinda hot on the national scene, and then we'll get to Ohio stuff, unless, you know, Brett's got some things.

Brett Johnson [: 00:27:12

Go on.

Norm Murdock [: 00:27:12

But, a a rather dramatic tariff was put into place this week, or at least announced. I'm not sure what day it becomes effective, but a tariff on foreign manufactured cars of 25%. Now to explain, Ford, for example, and GM's the same way and, you know, Stellantis, which is an Italian company actually, but based in The Netherlands, oddly enough. But Stellantis is what used to be Chrysler. Okay? The big three, it were the formerly big three because they're not the biggest anymore. Toyota and Volkswagen and Honda have greatly exceeded the the old big three. The big three, the ex big three have many, many plants overseas, like in places like, Canada, Mexico, Germany, etcetera, Spain. And they import cars from these foreign countries.

Norm Murdock [: 00:28:15

So Ford or GM owns a plant, let's say, in Canada, and then they bring cars across the border into The United States to sell. Those under this tariff are considered foreign made cars. Right? Even though they're owned by an American company. Oddly enough, many of the foreign carmakers like Nissan, Honda, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes Benz have major plants in The United States. So those cars will not fall under this tariff. So your Honda what what is it? The Accord that they make in Marysville. Right? That will be treated as a domestically made car. It will not be 25% more expensive or have a tariff on it because it's made in The United States.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:05

But a a Ford made in Germany, right, or a Porsche made in Germany.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:12

Or go to Jeep here made in Ohio, even though the Wrangler is gonna get hit because a a portion of it's not made here. Well, I parts too.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:22

I I think that this is going to be on the car.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:26

On the wholesale of it versus parts. Gotcha. Okay. So we talked about components before. Okay. That's right. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:31

Yeah. This will be this will be a separate thing.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:34

But but even the stuff that we think is, oh, that Jeep shouldn't be touched, like, yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:39

But this will benefit Jeep.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:41

Yeah. It should.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:42

So the UAW has come out in favor of this tariff. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:45

So so it's a rather than parts, it's gonna be all just on wholesale.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:48

Okay. On the vehicle. Vehicle.

Brett Johnson [: 00:29:49

On the I should say the wholesale vehicle. Yeah. The the vehicle itself.

Norm Murdock [: 00:29:53

Bringing in the the entire vehicle, that would get taxed if it's assembled in a foreign country, 25%. So,

Brett Johnson [: 00:30:02

That's I like that better because we talked about that analysis of Yeah. Back and forth, back and forth across the Canadian border Yeah. Adding up the

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:11

25, 20 five, 20 five. You may you may remember, that, Ford was gonna build this plant in Mexico during Trump's first administration. And he called the Ford people and said, you know, I'm gonna put a tariff on that thing. I think at that time, he was threatening a 100% tariff.

Brett Johnson [: 00:30:29

Oh, I don't know.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:30

So that if you built the let's say, the Ford Bronco in Mexico Mhmm. Instead of it being, say, a $40,000 4 wheel drive vehicle, be 80,000 because it'd be double the cost. Yeah. And Ford decided not to build in Mexico. And Honda was gonna build a plant in Mexico just a few months ago. Now they're building that new plant in Indiana. Yes. So this is actually like, the UAW is kinda going, yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:30:57

You know, we didn't support you for president, but rock on.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:01

Well and and I'll go back and say it again. If it's based on the whole car versus the parts Yeah. Yeah. That it's a little bit easier to digest. I understand Yeah. What's gotta be done.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:12

Yeah. So those those,

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:13

ex Whether you like it or not

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:15

Well, those expensive, you know, competitors to the Jeep, if they're, like, Kia or whoever makes, like, a sporty four wheel drive, if they're made in Korea, they're gonna have 25% extra added on. That's gonna help sell Jeeps. Yeah. You know?

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:32

Real world.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:33

In the in the Yeah. And I think what's gonna happen eventually, of course, because Hyundai builds cars in America. I think Kia will I they're all going to see the benefit of building here, and that's frankly why Volkswagen and BMW have plant and Mercedes have plants in The United States. Yeah. They will never have to deal with this tariff on those vehicles.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:56

Right. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:57

Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:31:57

Let me hear you.

Norm Murdock [: 00:31:57

Now Porsche is in a little bit of a trouble. But

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:00

You know what? Don't know.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:01

Those buyers, another 25%.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:03

Ex that's a vanity buy anyways.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:06

That's right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:06

And they've got money that they're burning. There's just certain models that

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:09

That's right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:10

You know what? That's right. You're buying boats. Right. You've got money to do it. Exactly. Go for it. Right. And that's okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:17

It's okay.

Brett Johnson [: 00:32:17

There's no judgment here, but it's like, yeah, it's gonna be a little more expensive, but it's, you know, not that big of a

Norm Murdock [: 00:32:22

This this was done under previous administrations, for example, for the benefit of Harley Davidson. There was a time when the Japanese motorcycle industry was killing Harley, And, frankly, Harley is not doing that great right now. But at any rate, I think it was president Reagan, who may have, I think, at the behest of Malcolm Forbes, actually, was talked into putting a tariff on Japanese motorcycles in order to give Harley some breathing room, to survive. Otherwise, they were gonna go out of business Yeah. More than likely.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:00

Right. Right. Exactly. Good. Okay.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:02

So anyway Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:03

Thanks for explaining that. Because I I I didn't dig deep enough, and I was still referencing what

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:07

we were

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:07

talking about a couple of weeks ago. So You know, Brett, the

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:09

details are gonna come out. Yeah. And if there are some subassembly details, like if the powertrain is built in Canada then brought into America, you know, will they somehow apportion that? I don't know. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:25

I don't think so.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:26

Yeah. Okay. It's on the assembled vehicle.

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:28

Good. Okay. I think that's so much easier to understand.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:31

Well, it would be really And

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:32

for the automakers to kinda go, okay. This is way this is it black and white.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:36

And for the and for the custom service. Right. Can you imagine them trying to figure out what portion of a car Exactly. Is a drive shaft or a brake drum made in a yeah. Looking at the the

Brett Johnson [: 00:33:47

the a piece of paper against every vehicle going, okay. This is a this is what yeah. Oh my god.

Norm Murdock [: 00:33:53

Yeah. You would you would have to do calculus. So, attorney general of Ohio Davios was on the Glenn Beck show. I did not hear it, but I read I the the transcript is available online if you wanna read the word by word. And there is a facial recognition software that the attorney general's office has used to, investigate cases. So it's not usable in court as evidence. Okay. But it can be used to investigate people and to track down people.

Norm Murdock [: 00:34:24

And they have used it successfully in some murder, rape, and other cases. It's called ClearView, is my understanding. And what they've done is they've hoovered up images of us, the American public, on social media. Mhmm. This company, ClearView. They've hoovered up our images, and then they hold that out for law enforcement. If if they've got a fuzzy picture, you know, like of that Luigi guy that that shot the health care executive in New York, and they've got this fuzzy picture of him. They can take that fuzzy picture and let AI go to town on images off of social media and get, you know, some pretty definite clues of who to go talk to.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:14

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:15

So And Glenn Beck is freaked out by it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:17

Yeah. I I

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:17

He said it's a big brother and, like Hugely. And and, like, right now, Dave, we trust you. You're a good guy. You're attorney general of Ohio when we know we've we've gotten to know you, and you're not a creep. You're not a Nazi. You're not a communist. You know? Like, you're you're a normal guy. But what happens when a bad guy or girl gets in office?

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:38

And could have an r or a d after their name. Or It doesn't matter.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:42

Doesn't matter.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:43

It doesn't matter.

Norm Murdock [: 00:35:44

Because somebody who is not careful with our civil rights.

Brett Johnson [: 00:35:47

I guess what I'm trying and Steve would probably address this better than I can or to answer this question is, okay, are there so many criminals getting away because we don't have facial rec?

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:01

Apparently, this is a so You know

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:03

what I mean? Because it seems to be weird. I know it's gonna make the job easier, but are that many criminals getting away with stuff

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:11

because of it? He walked Glenn through a specific case Okay. That was horrifying about child molestation. Okay. Okay? And they had this image that was that was unclear. But, you know, it was a it was enough to possibly identify somebody, but only a computer could figure out the length of the nose, the eyebrow location, maybe the color of the eyes, things like that, the the type of beard pattern or whatever. And it narrowed it down to one particular person.

Brett Johnson [: 00:36:46

K.

Norm Murdock [: 00:36:47

For now that isn't being used to convict him. Alright. But it is being used for them to go and get, a, you know, a a court order to enter his his house and, you know, it's enough it's enough to trigger a search warrant.

Brett Johnson [: 00:37:06

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:06

That kind of thing. If you could if a but a judge is making that determination.

Brett Johnson [: 00:37:11

Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:12

So the police don't issue their own search warrants. Right. They gotta go to a judge. Mhmm. And a judge, at least a human being is involved at some point, where a judge says, okay. You've convinced me. But, yes, I'm concerned about that. The other thing that Dave Yost mentioned, and this is true, and, Steve and any attorney would would know this, is it is perfectly legal for a police officer, say, to stand in a public square and observe people.

Norm Murdock [: 00:37:43

Like, he can have a little book of the most wanted people with their pictures. Sure. And he can stand on the corner, you know, at at at high broad and high and just look at pedestrians and look at people driving cars by and look to see if he can find the you know, somebody that matches that picture. And Yost is saying, essentially, if you put your puss online, your your your photo, that's a public place. Anybody can go to Facebook, right, and look at your picture if you've got it up there and it's public, if it's not in a if it's not behind some kind of firewall. So it's you've put it out there in the public just like walking down the sidewalk in public, and why can't the police then look at your picture? That's the analogy that he's drawing.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:33

Yeah. Because we've already entered the database of Facebook or Instagram or whatever. We've we've

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:37

And you did it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:38

That we we did it.

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:39

You did it. Now now what if somebody like, it's your high school class photo, and you didn't put it on the Internet Yeah. That might be a different thing. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:38:48

That's true. Yeah. Wow. That's Right? Yeah. I it it all comes down to what's it gonna be used for and how far does it go, and and we've gotta move very slowly with this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:38:58

And I I think courts, we're gonna evolve on this. What is usable Mhmm. And for what purpose? So he's saying right now, he's not advocating it be used as proof to convict, but for investigation. Yeah. I can see

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:11

that. I'm cool with that. Yeah. I I I think. I'm not missing the downside of it, but it's, yeah. But I guess it's that domino effect. Okay. When's the next step happen? Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:21

You know, when's that judge allow it to be or a state to say, you know what? Yeah. We're doing it. We're we're gonna go because it could be a immigrant status. It could be anything.

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:34

Well, let me Then

Brett Johnson [: 00:39:34

all of a sudden, it Pandora's box

Norm Murdock [: 00:39:36

it up. Well, let me let me give let me give an example, you know, of misuse that's potential. So suppose you're a really bad apple, and you wanna find out who all the people are that show up at a, Black Lives Matter rally. And it's an it's a peaceful rally. You've got AC, ACO and Bernie Sanders, and they're talking to people who believe in that, philosophy. And it's it's a perfectly legal event. There's no violence. People are saying what they wanna say, and there's people in attendance.

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:15

I'm uncomfortable whether it's, you know, people going to a a Trump rally or whether it's that. I'm very uncomfortable if, let's say, the FBI wants to create a database of everybody who goes to a Black Lives Matter rally or to a a school choice, people protesting school choice or people protesting abortion or or any subject. You know, if it's peaceful and they're just there, no. I I I don't like I don't I don't want this facial recognition creating a database of who believes in what causes or who attended what events. I'm very uncomfortable with

Brett Johnson [: 00:40:55

it. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:40:56

Yeah. And I think that's what Glenn, it was it was talking about.

Brett Johnson [: 00:40:58

Yeah. Because that information is probably online anyway because going back to our Facebook example, so you're going to a rally. You're probably taking pictures while you're there, maybe, and such. Maybe you're posting it on Facebook.

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:13

I don't know. A lot of people are

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:15

very You

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:15

know? A lot of people

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:16

Of themselves being at

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:18

a protest

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:19

or something.

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:19

Yeah. They

Brett Johnson [: 00:41:20

let's So maybe already be there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:41:22

Well, let's Maybe. Let's suppose you wanna go to your school board meeting, and it it's about, you know, they're gonna fire, they're gonna fire somebody because of DEI, or they're going to change the, curriculum, or they're going to have a book that's, controversial. And let's say you're a mom and you wanna go to the school board meeting, and they have a camera to try to document everybody in the audience, and you just wanna be private. You you have the right to go to a public meeting. You're a parent, and you just wanna sit there, and you you're not gonna speak. You're not going to do any violence, you're not you're just there.

Brett Johnson [: 00:42:01

You're in the office.

Norm Murdock [: 00:42:01

And they're and they use facial recognition to try to figure out who the troublemakers are. Mhmm. And you're just a citizen. That's wrong in my opinion. Yeah. I think I think people should be allowed to go places and be anonymous.

Brett Johnson [: 00:42:16

Definitely has a chilling effect that you're not gonna show up because, you know, a camera's there. Even if you even if they say, well, we have a camera present. You need to sign off. Right. It still doesn't matter. It's capturing you possibly as the folks phone will sell a speaker, and you're in the background because you're watching the speaker speak

Norm Murdock [: 00:42:31

And and whatever. Yeah. And maybe it's not even law enforcement doing it. Mhmm. What if it's some opposing organization Right. That that wants to figure out who to harass, you know, like, who to send stuff in the mail to? Mhmm. Who you know, publish a list of of names of peep of these people showed up to protest this and put it in the paper. Now I where this leads is, I think, it could be abused very easily.

Norm Murdock [: 00:43:00

Yeah. So anyway Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:43:01

No. Okay. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:43:03

We got senate bill one that has passed. And Mike DeWine, our governor here in Ohio, has has, promised to sign it. And this is the bill that will, very vigorously stamp out, DEI courses, departments, professors, and any kind of instructional matter about TEI on Ohio, college and and university campuses. They are doing the same thing with grade school and high school, of course, and, it's gonna get signed. The the one thing that, super troubles me, okay, is that I think universities and colleges need to be an open, place of diversity. I've always believed that. I I think you have, you know, college democrat organizations, college republicans, college communist, college socialist. And I think if there is a student group, for example, and they want to and and they wanna have professors be advisors for the group, pushing for DEI, I think that is perfectly and totally acceptable.

Norm Murdock [: 00:44:21

I have no problem with that even though I totally oppose it. I totally oppose it. But I am in favor of those individuals having an organization and being able to ask professors for help. Mhmm. I I I this is the whole point of of college to me is to learn about the other person and to learn about why are they scared or why are they concerned or why are they angry or why are they happy or what Yeah. I mean Yeah. To me, I don't want ROTC kicked off of campuses where people wanna go to the military. I don't I think campus should reflect the the entire, you know, expanse of our society, Brett.

Norm Murdock [: 00:45:06

Yeah. I'm a little concerned that and I hope it's not gonna go too far, but I'm a little concerned that this no DEI thing goes too far, because I don't wanna stamp on the rights of people that believe that they're that this should be taught. Maybe it should be taught in their opinion, and they have the right to express that opinion. And maybe there's a way to have a student club for that that still gets some of the student activity fee money directed if it's a properly organized club and it's you know, meets all the other criteria. Yeah. But, anyway, that's where we are.

Brett Johnson [: 00:45:48

I think there's some nuances that it it's it's sweeping legislation that maybe some things have not been thought out, and it'll come out in the wash and and It will. It'll be modified. But,

Norm Murdock [: 00:45:58

It'll be challenged in court.

Brett Johnson [: 00:45:59

Exactly. No question. To to an example, and I've made mention this. My wife's a a professor at Wright State University. And, it was, she didn't realize this, but there was some, scholarships that were given through the DEI initiatives Okay. To Appalachian students so they could go to Wright State.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:19

Okay.

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:20

They're white

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:21

Okay.

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:22

Through the DEI stuff.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:23

Okay.

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:23

So I think I think we've got we've got a lot Rural areas. That they never got because of DEI. Okay. And, again, there are pieces of DEI that I like. Don't like everything is that way. For me, you know, that there's always pros and cons to everything.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:36

Right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:36

But it's that we gotta watch. What on? Because they gave that Appalachian White Student an opportunity to go to university, but where they probably would have never been able to. And I think that's great. Of course, that's great.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:47

That's great.

Brett Johnson [: 00:46:47

It's that, okay, everything gets kind of, like you said, hovered up in one fell swoop, and then it's gotta kinda wash in the courts.

Norm Murdock [: 00:46:55

So so Yeah. What I am adamantly against with DEI is when it's forced. Yeah. Like like, when it's made a requirement, like, you can't get out of medical school or law school or get a undergraduate degree unless you take courses in DEI. I'm totally against that. Okay? I mean, I I think it can be an elective. Right? But I don't think it should be a requirement to graduate. And so because it upset so many people that it was a requirement, you know, and it was being forced.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:27

Okay? Now we've gone to complete, you know, like, the pendulum is now all the way over there that I'm afraid that people aren't on campus that even wanna discuss DEI. See, because I'm a free speech er. They should have the right to discuss it.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:41

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:41

They should have the right to have a club. They should have a right to protest, to have meetings, the entire thing. Just like I would say, you know, other organizations that I don't agree with or ones that I do agree with have the same rights.

Brett Johnson [: 00:47:56

Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 00:47:56

So I'm I want them to be able to be on campus, you know, distribute their materials, do whatever they want. I just don't wanna cram down the throat. I it should not be a requirement, you know, to to to take DEI in order to be whatever. That that's my opinion. Okay? And they have the right to have the opposite opinion.

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:19

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and And

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:20

I stand up for them Yeah. To have the right to have the opposite opinion.

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:24

Right. And that mindset is the equilibrium is that equal ground that we've got to address because conservatives watch. Be watch out because what you wish for today and wiping all of the stuff out, the pendulum always comes back the other way.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:37

See, I'm a conservative the old fashioned way. I believe everybody has these rights.

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:41

Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:42

I don't believe just conservatives or just liberals have certain rights. We all have

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:46

these rights.

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:47

Yeah. And I and I respect people that have differences of opinion, and that's what colleges should be about. Mhmm.

Brett Johnson [: 00:48:54

You

Norm Murdock [: 00:48:54

know? There there there shouldn't be these snowflake, whatever they call little zones, where, oh, I'm offended because I heard something I disagree with. So I disagree with DEI, and I can be walking up the steps at the University of Cincinnati to the Tanjeman Center. Right? And there's a DEI guy on the steps, and he's preaching his message. I would not shut him down. Yeah. I would not take his literature. I would maybe even stop and listen to him and try to understand his point of view, Right? Even if I totally disagree. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:49:26

And that's what college is all about.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:27

It it is, actually. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:49:28

For God's sake. You know?

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:30

And and and and I think the voices that are loudest may have never experienced that university Yeah. Situation. Again, whatever I I That's right. I'm not trying to be mightier than thou because I went to university. You went you know, I went to Miami. You went to UC. Our kids have gone to college. Your kids have gone to college.

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:44

Yeah. We are very lucky that we were able to help Right. And do that. But it's it's a great experience.

Norm Murdock [: 00:49:49

Well, you have an open mind, Brett, and so do I. Yeah. I mean, that's the difference. Yeah. Maybe a lot of people will not even tolerate discussing things with with people they just

Brett Johnson [: 00:49:59

They don't they don't like to be uncomfortable. Yeah. They don't because it I think a lot of it is they're uncomfortable that it may may open up something in their mind that they never thought about. It's like, oh, maybe I do agree with this.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:10

That's called learning.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:11

I know. Exactly. We're supposed to be uncomfortable until the day we die. Yes. We're supposed to be.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:16

That's right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:16

We are.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:17

Yeah. I always have in the back of my mind, watch what you say because you might just prove to everybody what an idiot you are. So

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:27

I think about that every day when I open my mouth.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:29

So here's something Brett and I disagree disagree with, and that's Vivek Ramaswamy's claim, and I believe he's right. I don't believe everything he he says, and I haven't decided whether I'm a Yosk guy or a Vivek guy.

Brett Johnson [: 00:50:45

Way early to be decided. I don't yeah. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:50:47

Right. Dude, I am getting three texts a day from the Vague's, governor campaign. It's unbelievable. He's got Marino Bernie Marino, the senator's endorsement. He's got JD Vance's endorsement. He's got Donald Trump's. He's got all these endorsements. And, I feel like Dave Yost is getting swamped right now, but we have a long way to go.

Brett Johnson [: 00:51:10

Yeah. Oh my gosh.

Norm Murdock [: 00:51:11

One of Vivek's, key things is he's targeted on this program that we just started in Ohio of school choice. And I know Brett has strong feelings, about that, and so do I. And the they calls that a civil rights issue. And, you know, in a nutshell, the idea is that if you live in a, say, or like we just talked about, Appalachia part of Ohio, maybe a poor, area of Ohio, and the schools are largely supported by property taxes. So if you're in a really bad neighborhood or if you're in a rural area, or in a, you know, an area of blight or low population area, the property taxes are probably not enough to have a real spiffy school with top teaching talent. And that's not a smear on the teachers who are there, but you have to think of it from a professional teacher point of view. They need a a nice, you know, neighborhood for their family. They need nice schools for their family.

Norm Murdock [: 00:52:18

They they have, you know, a lifestyle that they wanna pursue. And so it takes an unusual or a special person who wants to live in a poor neighborhood or wants to live in a in a rural neighborhood where the school is co lay co located and teach there. That's a very honorable and a wonderful thing for that teacher to do. It's a sacrifice. Same same as with a doctor who who's in a rural or a poor area of of the state. So what that means is those students in those areas, I don't wanna use the word condemned, but they're forced by just the facts of life if there is no all other alternative to go to that public school that maybe doesn't graduate that many people or maybe the the the reading, tests show that they're they're not very literate or not up to speed compared to, say, Upper Arlington's graduates. And so those parents in the rural and poor areas, they want just as much for their children to succeed as in a richer neighborhood. So school choice is designed for those kids and their parents to have portability.

Norm Murdock [: 00:53:32

They can go homeschool. They can go to a charter school. They can go to a, a parochial school. They can go to a Jewish school. They can go to whatever, a a a protestant school. The idea is to give them their little check, of I think it's like 8,000 for elementary, something like 12,000 for high school per year, and go walk that over to a school, of their choice. And I do think it's it's there there is a civil rights issue involved in this of treating everybody, letting everybody make these decisions. Now will it hurt some school districts that do not perform? Absolutely will.

Norm Murdock [: 00:54:20

They will shrink, or they may fail altogether, or they may have to be consolidated. You know, we have, like, 800 school districts in Ohio. So maybe a few of them consolidate to form one strong school district. But that's enough out of me. I'd like to hear Brett's point of view.

Brett Johnson [: 00:54:37

And I think you get some great points because it it does kind of get into that civil it does. I I I can see that. It makes a lot of sense. I guess on the other side of it is so the portability only, only public schools have to accept the portability. Private schools can say, nope. You don't have to come here. What I and and to your example, I can see where the good schools, the the the ones that are looked at as I wanna go there, I wanna go there, they're gonna have problems because so many students are gonna be wanting to go there.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:08

Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:08

And that's gonna overwhelm

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:10

Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:10

The and you to your example, the Upper Arlington or the the Hilliard or I mean, and we're talking Central Ohio schools.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:17

Or it's parochial, like Bishop Hartley. Yeah. They are overwhelmed.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:20

Right. Right. Well, they're But they can say no to it, though.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:22

Well well,

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:23

but when I see if they if they're overwhelmed, they can say we can't take anymore.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:26

Well, they're

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:26

Where Upper Arlington can't.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:28

That's right. Their

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:28

Hilliard has to take.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:30

Their building is a physical size.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:31

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:32

Yeah. And if Upper Arlington has more students than they can handle, they have to build building.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:36

Right. Which is a strain

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:38

A strain.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:38

On Upper Arlington citizens. That's right. They have no say in it. They have ab which is, in my mind, almost illegal.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:46

Well, they can vote against the school levies. Right. I mean, that is

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:50

the way That's all the voice they have.

Norm Murdock [: 00:55:51

The voice that they have. Or they can run for school board themselves.

Brett Johnson [: 00:55:54

They could. Yeah. Exactly. So, you know, the the smaller school districts that are doing excellent work comparatively, you know, on the grading system, that sort of thing. Yeah. I think they're gonna get overwhelmed. And that's gonna be a burden on those areas, and you'll see people eventually moving out of a Grandview Heights area because can't afford the taxes.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:15

So this You

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:15

know, to build new buildings because of EdChoice coming in.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:19

So I I hear you. I hear you. And I so what the marketplace people would say in response to you is that, let's suppose you're the superintendent of one of these struggling schools. Mhmm. Right? And let's suppose you have, structural issues, like you're top heavy with administrators or you don't have the right mix of teachers.

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:42

Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:42

And so maybe what you do is you you try to compete. Like, yes, you can go down, but go down swinging. In other words, maybe bring in some, some people who've gone to Wright is it Wright State?

Brett Johnson [: 00:56:58

Wright State. Yeah. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:56:59

Yeah. To Wright State and have worked with the professors there to get alternative certification. Like, maybe a retired math professor, at the university who doesn't have a grade school or high school teaching degree. But he does some courses at Wright State and gets alternative certification. Maybe retired people, or ex military people or ex cops, ex firemen, people who are good citizens of that area can be brought in, as temporary or brought in as part time teachers. And maybe you start cutting some of the administrative waste to make your school district more competitive.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:43

And and that's whole different discussion valid. I completely agree that the the administration is so tough. Every school district. Every school district. I mean, I mean, there's is even a running joke, and I know in one school district. I'm not gonna name it. It's like, you fail as a teacher, you get higher as administration. Exactly.

Brett Johnson [: 00:57:58

And I'm sure that's pretty much wholesale on every school district, you know, so come on.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:03

Even in private business that happens. That's true.

Brett Johnson [: 00:58:06

So it it's kind of what where it is. But there as as I mentioned before, there's always pros and cons, and I I seem to be wishy washy in the things that I say, but it's like but I see some negatives on the other other side of it too. And I get it that if your school district is just not doing what it should, well, you're you're you're a participant in that community. Maybe you should be going to school board meetings

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:27

That's right. And step up.

Brett Johnson [: 00:58:29

And trying to help get into the schools. I mean

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:31

That's right.

Brett Johnson [: 00:58:32

That's what's we grew up with. Our our parents were involved in schools, and we were involved in the schools. So Like an example. What you can.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:41

Like an example. Say say hall monitors. Right? Rather than tying up a teacher who needs to be in the classroom teaching, rather than having that person out in the hallway, a retired cop volunteers.

Brett Johnson [: 00:58:55

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:58:55

Or, you know, or a veteran. Have to wear a gun. No. Just be in the hallway and make sure that the truancy doesn't happen, that the kids, you know, hey. No fights in the hall. Yeah. Get back in your class. The bell just rang.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:07

Come on, kids.

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:08

Yeah. It's good. Yeah. That's good.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:09

That can be a volunteer person.

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:11

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:11

It doesn't have to be a paid person. Right. And that's where maybe I'm thinking the legislators are hoping that some of the districts that are cratering might resolve to compete. Because what this introduces, school choice. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:26

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:26

That that introduces competition. It does.

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:31

For sure.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:31

For sure. And and also for sure. You could throw your you could throw your hands up if you're a superintendent, or you can roll your sleeves up.

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:39

And just do something and and and protect your community school. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. No. You're right. It it does introduce that to be the best that you can. Not that they weren't already, I think.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:50

Or trying, but but now you, you know, like

Brett Johnson [: 00:59:53

Keep your feet to the fire. Yeah. For sure. For sure.

Norm Murdock [: 00:59:56

Yeah. And Ohio probably needs to do some structural things that frankly aren't at the local level. Like, why do we have 800 school districts? You know, when Florida has, like, 40. You know? Because each county is a school district. And that's where the administration could be way cut down. So instead of 800 busing, directors or busing department heads, people who do the transportation coordination. Instead of 800 of those in Ohio, we have 88 counties. We could go from 800 to 88

Brett Johnson [: 01:00:34

Yeah. If we did the four And have a better logistics team to understand how to

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:38

do it. And then you got one person instead of

Brett Johnson [: 01:00:41

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:41

Like another hundred. Alright. Whatever.

Brett Johnson [: 01:00:43

Yeah. Yeah. Any Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:00:44

Anyway, but that would be a battle royale. I know. I mean, because you would have people giving up local control to the county and, you know

Brett Johnson [: 01:00:53

Yeah. Now, then there's, again, pros and cons to every bit of it. Every bit of it. Yeah. And it's it's something new that they can't get someone can't get their head wrapped around until it actually happened.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:03

Well, and some people are gonna lose jobs.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:04

And they are.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:05

You know, some of those some of the administrators, you know, the people who do food service, the people who do janitorial. I'm talking about the administrators, you know, not the person pushing the broom or

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:17

or swinging the hatch. Exactly. It's up up upstairs. That has a cushy seat in a in a an external building

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:23

And we got 800 of them. Florida's got 40 of them.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:26

Right. There's gotta be some There's gotta be speculative waste We need

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:30

a dirge in Ohio.

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:31

For education. Yeah. Exactly. Jeez. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:34

One one thing that is is in the news here, Brett, that, how we doing on time?

Brett Johnson [: 01:01:40

Yeah. Probably went with one more story. You know? We're probably hitting about one more thing.

Norm Murdock [: 01:01:43

One thing that has occurred is I don't wanna use the name because the man is, innocent until, guilty, but his name is, out there. A a coach, from Pickerington, got a job. He left Pickerington under a cloud of accusations of, sexual imposition or improper activity with a student. Four counts he's been charged with now, but he has been at Johnstown's school district for, this entire school year up till now, and they just placed him on leave because of these new charges. And I'm they never would have hired him if they had known, right, that there were pending charges in an investigation. And this presents a real legal problem because in our society, you aren't presumed innocent until you're found guilty.

Brett Johnson [: 01:02:41

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 01:02:42

So you have police officers. You have firemen. You have school teachers. You have school coaches. You have any number of public servants, who are involved with children or old people or just regular citizens who are in trouble, you know, somehow legally with their former employer. They know that there's an investigation, and then they go apply to a different you know, they they go

Brett Johnson [: 01:03:16

Across the town across town. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:18

And the the previous people certainly can't pick up the phone. Right? Probably, there's all kinds of laws. They would get in trouble. They would be libeling or or something, you know, besmirching the name of somebody who's not been found guilty in court yet. Yeah. Right? And saying to the new school or the new police department, hey. Don't hire this guy or this gal because they're a bad apple. So I'm just wondering what kind of red flag system or what could be done? Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:03:51

It it seems to me like it's enough of a problem. If you know that you're in trouble and you're going to go through the legal mishmash, but you've got a license to use, nursing, doctor, whatever it is, hairstylist, you know, whatever. Mhmm. Right? And you leave and go to another community and set up shop all over again.

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:16

Yeah. You'd think to be special allowances, especially when you're dealing with, the vulnerable age group. You would think being young

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:25

Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:25

And old.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:26

You think you would think

Brett Johnson [: 01:04:27

And, again, I'm not I'm not taking away from anybody that possibly was Yeah. Let's I think, stream of, a 19 year old high school senior that was raped. And, of course, then you're talking Right. 18 to 19. You know? So, again, there's that, but what do you do here? What do you do here? Yeah. I I don't know. Yeah. You would think that we gotta be able to stop the predators So most of without it being overburdening So most of these jobs Until proven guilty.

Norm Murdock [: 01:04:55

Most of these public sector jobs and even private sector, like a doctor working at a private hospital, right, or a nurse. Most of these jobs, there is a license involved. Mhmm. And I just wonder if a complaint could not be filed with the licensing board

Brett Johnson [: 01:05:10

And suspend a licensing.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:12

Spend the license Yes. Where you're not saying the person's guilty, but you're not letting them use that license to obtain other employment pending either some period of time beyond which, hey. You gotta let them work. Mhmm. You know, like, I don't know, ninety days, hundred and eighty days, whatever it is. Yeah. You know, maybe based on the seriousness of it. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:05:39

I don't know. Yeah. Because There's gotta be something.

Brett Johnson [: 01:05:41

Right. Because then you're taking away their opportunity to work in in their And they may be understood. Field. And they may be. That's the thing. Exactly. So then all of a sudden, you weaponize the opportunity to poke somebody in the eye saying, yeah. That coach did this to me.

Brett Johnson [: 01:05:57

Yeah. Never really happened. You're just pissed because you didn't get start.

Norm Murdock [: 01:06:00

And you can say that. You could say that

Brett Johnson [: 01:06:01

about say that.

Norm Murdock [: 01:06:02

You could say that about your Catholic priest. You could say it about, you know, your, whoever. You you could say that you false charges. Well, like this lady in Allentown or whatever. Right? She she said she had a noose on her desk. This was in the news this week. And she made a big deal, and there were these protests held, and everybody assumed that some skinhead or Ku Klux Klan guy put this noose on her desk. And I think she's on a school board or something in Allentown.

Norm Murdock [: 01:06:34

It turned out the police have now charged her with she put the she she made it's like a Jussie Smollett thing. So so you can make up any story Exactly. And inflame a community. Right?

Brett Johnson [: 01:06:48

With social media, instant flame. Make it up. Wow.

Norm Murdock [: 01:06:52

And so I'm concerned that, obviously, this person here who's got these four charges from Pickerington may be guilty, may not be guilty.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:02

It's and then we were talking the scenario of

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:05

He got he got another coaching job Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:07

They're actually

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:08

with more kids in a different school system. Yeah. So we gotta address that. So there's gotta be there's gotta be a way to protect all involved.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:16

Mhmm.

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:17

Yeah. The rights of the person being charged, maybe when they get placed on leave, they continue to get pay until it's resolved and then claw it back if if they were found innocent or then be found guilty.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:29

Right. Which can limit the license suspension to a ninety day

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:32

Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:33

Which is not too burdensome on the school district to pay for ninety days.

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:36

Well, and also You know?

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:37

And kill.

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:38

Get the damn court. Get get get it going.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:40

Get it going.

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:41

Charge the person. Mhmm. Go to trial. They're either innocent or they're guilty. Let's not drag this out for five years.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:47

Yeah. And that's for the victim's sake too. Yeah. Absolutely. Wanna resolve the family of the victim or whatever the case might be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:56

We wanna go into,

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:57

Just real

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:58

quick Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:07:58

The Intel thing?

Brett Johnson [: 01:07:59

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Norm Murdock [: 01:08:00

Yeah. So Exactly. Yesterday or the day before, Intel came out with announcement of more delay. They are now saying that plant will not be producing until 2030. It also came out that because that delay was so they guaranteed this year they were gonna be in production, 2025 to 2026, that that time frame, they were supposed to be up and running, employing as many as 10,000 people. Right? So they're not meeting these goals. And the question was asked of DeWine and Jobs, Ohio. Well, are the taxpayers gonna get their money back? Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:08:38

And DeWine said, well, the contract was written such that we can't do that.

Brett Johnson [: 01:08:43

Jeez, Emma.

Norm Murdock [: 01:08:44

So so Again that is a failure of our state government. Yes. If they're writing contracts where the citizens are not protected because, Brett, you and I are paying, we're subsidizing that intel plant.

Brett Johnson [: 01:08:57

We we accept Our tax money We ultimately, worst case scenario, have sub subsidized a brownfield. It's ridiculous. If that never gets built Right. That place is screwed. So It's gonna be a cement slab

Norm Murdock [: 01:09:09

Let me give you Forever. Let me give you an example. The mayor of Mountain View, California, where Intel had a plant Mhmm. There it's a Superfund toxin site that this mayor is dealing with. Intel's gone, and they left the Brownfield. Damn. I mean, I mean, like, we turned to Greenfield into a manufacturing district

Brett Johnson [: 01:09:34

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:09:34

And now they're behind. We gave them all these enticements.

Brett Johnson [: 01:09:38

With with with no stipulations, basically. They're running it.

Norm Murdock [: 01:09:42

No clawback. Yeah. They they they get all the goodies.

Brett Johnson [: 01:09:45

Right.

Norm Murdock [: 01:09:45

And the and the, the taxpayers of Ohio, including people going to the liquor store, their tax money is going to this intel.

Brett Johnson [: 01:09:54

Yeah. It's ridiculous. Wow. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:09:59

And now they have added so we thought we were gonna get all clean manufacturing. Turns out that these, silicon chip manufacturers do in fact deal in toxic waste.

Brett Johnson [: 01:10:12

I don't know how they couldn't Yeah. Honestly.

Norm Murdock [: 01:10:14

And they do put up stuff with the the the smokes.

Brett Johnson [: 01:10:16

Yeah. I I just just any manufacturer is going to in some fashion, you would think.

Norm Murdock [: 01:10:21

So a big a big paint company. Lovely. A big paint company. I'm sure the fire department out there in Licking County is happy about this. A paint company, I think, a Japanese owned paint company is locating on in the same area of New Albany, Johnstown, in that same area. They're gonna manufacture paint. Yeah. Wow.

Norm Murdock [: 01:10:40

Got Not exactly the clean data center stuff that they were talking about.

Brett Johnson [: 01:10:45

They're gonna turn into Cleveland, Ohio.

Norm Murdock [: 01:10:47

Well, Brett, do you wanna do, best and worst and

Brett Johnson [: 01:10:50

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got I think this is great. I mean, this is it goes into my wheelhouse of marketing and marketing and such, but Coca Cola is gonna be bringing back Share a Coke to reach Gen z. Share a Coke. What is Remember remember the back in the seventies, the the jingle Share a Coke and a smile. Remember that?

Norm Murdock [: 01:11:09

I don't remember that.

Brett Johnson [: 01:11:10

And and I love that idea that it's that, okay, bringing people together. Now what I would love

Norm Murdock [: 01:11:16

I remember it. I'd like to teach

Brett Johnson [: 01:11:17

Teach the world. Exactly. And I'm I'm kinda surprised, though, I get you know, whoever brought the idea to the table has their own idea about what the jingle is. But I think the jingle they're using is like, okay. I see you're going Gen z, but what's wrong with, like, share a Coke, get a smile? I'm singing it now, and it was nineteen seventies. What they're putting on it is not. But I think Bring back

Norm Murdock [: 01:11:41

the fifth dimension. Exactly. That's what you go. But I think,

Brett Johnson [: 01:11:44

you know, it's a nice little piece of, let's just get along.

Norm Murdock [: 01:11:49

There's nothing It's in it. Wrong with that.

Brett Johnson [: 01:11:52

Exactly. I like that. I think it's like share a Coke and a smile. It's like, yes. Share something and talk. I you know, and I know That is true. That's kinda reaching Brett. It's like, no.

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:03

It's not. We gotta start somewhere. So share a

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:06

Coke. That's a nice, gentle

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:07

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Thing.

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:09

And, you know, we need we need more of that.

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:10

I love it.

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:11

I love it. What do you have for your horrible thing?

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:14

Well, you know, I'm gonna go back to our our tariff stuff. I I'm concerned about that. I I am concerned.

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:20

About, all these tariffs?

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:22

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:22

Or just the car? Stuff?

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:23

The car stuff. But you enlighten me a little bit on what will is gonna happen. But

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:27

I think.

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:27

I think. I know. I I just I I'm concerned about all the projections of what the increase on price of car

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:33

It's all in details.

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:34

You know. So we're just we're seeing five to you know? It does

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:37

It does protect American production, and I think that

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:40

is selective on what you what you choose to to to to to buy.

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:44

I think what we're gonna find out is so many of these foreign car companies make cars in America now. It's not gonna have much.

Brett Johnson [: 01:12:52

I hope I hope so because we can't not have this. Yeah. You know, we we

Norm Murdock [: 01:12:57

I mean, I mean, Nissan makes trucks, I think, in Tennessee. Mhmm. Volkswagen makes SUVs in, oh, gosh. Just stripped the gear. I was gonna say Alabama.

Brett Johnson [: 01:13:09

Is it Georgia?

Norm Murdock [: 01:13:10

No. Old Chattanooga. Okay. Yeah. Almost in Georgia.

Brett Johnson [: 01:13:14

I think it does. I I think BMW, South Carolina.

Norm Murdock [: 01:13:17

But you

Brett Johnson [: 01:13:17

know what? I think this does have a positive side to it Overall, if you're looking for a new or used car, you you may investigate a little bit more like, where was this car made? Yeah. I I I you look at the VIN number.

Norm Murdock [: 01:13:27

Right.

Brett Johnson [: 01:13:28

Or the the the the I know VIN number number NN is the number, but if it has a one I'll tell you. It's a one. Right? At the very beginning

Norm Murdock [: 01:13:34

Well, short term, I'll tell you what. You know? There are people before this goes into effect, there are people flocking to Ferrari and Porsche dealers probably because because because they're gonna go up.

Brett Johnson [: 01:13:44

Well, we had this my wife and I had this discussion this morning about, you know, our son may have to get a a new used car. How does that affect the used car that they're saying it may

Norm Murdock [: 01:13:53

It may.

Brett Johnson [: 01:13:54

It may. I

Norm Murdock [: 01:13:55

I think it's gonna be I

Brett Johnson [: 01:13:56

don't know.

Norm Murdock [: 01:13:57

I think it's gonna be less impact than people think.

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:00

I I don't know. Because so many so.

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:02

I mean, just look at Honda. I don't know that Honda brings cars to America from outside America.

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:08

They may they may not.

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:09

I think they make everything here.

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:10

And they probably make more money by not shipping them over from over. I would think. Yeah. You know?

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:15

Less shipping. I mean, it's made here and sold here. Right. Right.

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:19

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:20

No. You So my sellers. Yeah. My best thing is, two weeks ago, Steve was, lamenting the stock market. It's come back basically to where it was.

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:28

And so there was Exactly recently.

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:30

There was that big, correction and over the last two weeks, it's it's worked its

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:34

way back. Log in and look at mine going, I don't I don't know if I want to because I'm not a checker. I I'll look at maybe once a month You can't and just kinda go

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:41

You can't? No. You can't look everywhere.

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:43

Yeah. You can't.

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:44

And eggs are down. I went to to Kroger and, yeah, they were, like, $9 a dozen at one point. They're now down to, like, $4.50.

Brett Johnson [: 01:14:54

So eggs

Norm Murdock [: 01:14:54

eggs have come back for a for a a dozen grade a large. It was $4.50 at the store last night. My worst thing this is a horrible story. But here in Ohio, in Grove City, specifically at a Waffle House, a guy was eating his hash browns, and a human tooth appeared appeared on his fork. And he didn't see it. He put it in his mouth, and he's chewing. Yes. And a part of somebody else's skull was in his mouth and, kinda gross.

Brett Johnson [: 01:15:26

Yeah.

Norm Murdock [: 01:15:27

So I'm not picking I've actually eaten at that Waffle House. The people there are very nice. I've never had any despoiled food. They checked the staff and everybody there had their teeth. So where in the hell this tooth came from? Oh. You know, in other words, the chef didn't smile and had one missing.

Brett Johnson [: 01:15:45

Right. Right. Exactly.

Norm Murdock [: 01:15:47

So that's my worst thing this week.

Brett Johnson [: 01:15:49

Yeah. You're gonna have that.

Norm Murdock [: 01:15:52

That's all I got.

Brett Johnson [: 01:15:53

My god. Oh, man. Hey. Again,

Norm Murdock [: 01:15:57

jeez. I'd like to go on in Ohio. His breakfast bid him back.

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