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Ether and the Space Between Things
Episode 2125th October 2022 • A Lone Traveler's Guide to the Divine • Amanda Lux
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Welcome dreamers, seekers, empaths, and healers! My name is Amanda Lux of the Elevation Hive school and community for energy medicine and dreamwork. In this podcast, I share teachings, musings, poems, songs, and interviews with other amazing humans who walk the healer's path. 

In this episode 

Join myself and Kim Pinckley for a candid, hilarious, deep and personal conversation about the Ether Element and the space between things.

In this episode:

  • I share about my recent break from the podcast
  • I also share about the transitioning of the Hive Membership
  • Kim shares about her amazing North Door retreat coming up in January of 2023
  • We both explore the polarity perspectives and practices related to death, grief, and the importance of taking space.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Go to Elevationhive.com to learn more about upcoming polarity therapy classes

Thank you for listening, sharing, reviewing and sending me your dreams! 

I love to read them. 


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Alone/All One theme song written and performed by Amanda Lux

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Kim Pinckley:

If you think about our culture and you think about

Kim Pinckley:

our resistance to death typically.

Kim Pinckley:

, we have a little, you know, we have fear of death in our culture and at

Kim Pinckley:

that is, I would say at the root of the fear of pausing in our lives.

Kim Pinckley:

Like the same idea of slowing down, stopping being, still, being with

Kim Pinckley:

the nothingness, doing the nothing like, I think that that's a little bit

Kim Pinckley:

intimidating to many of us in our world.

Kim Pinckley:

Like what happens if we're just still quiet and what.

Kim Pinckley:

Will we have to hear

Kim Pinckley:

?

Kim Pinckley:

teacher, co-teacher of Polarity therapy, Kim Pinkley, and I'm so excited to

Kim Pinckley:

have this conversation with Kim.

Kim Pinckley:

It was inspired by multiple conversations we've had and just, it's also just

Kim Pinckley:

a conversation that's in the field.

Kim Pinckley:

Where the podcast has been, which is to say it's been on pause.

Kim Pinckley:

So , we're gonna be talking about ether and the space between things today and

Kim Pinckley:

what that means in the polarity paradigm, and also what that means just in life,

Kim Pinckley:

and how we probably all use a little more ether, a little more space than we're

Kim Pinckley:

getting so I wanna invite you, Kim, to introduce yourself and maybe a little bit

Kim Pinckley:

about your work and the different facets of healing work that you have studied,

Kim Pinckley:

and how these different perspectives have contributed to your journey with

Kim Pinckley:

the ether and to your healer's journey.

Kim Pinckley:

So good to be with you again.

Kim Pinckley:

, thank you for inviting me to talk about this like really special

Kim Pinckley:

subject that I feel doesn't get as much attention in our culture as I.

Kim Pinckley:

I think we could use, more of this in our culture, this ether element.

Kim Pinckley:

And just to give a little peace about who I am.

Kim Pinckley:

, I have been studying the healing arts I say for 25 years, but really

Kim Pinckley:

for as long as I can remember, I've been interested in how.

Kim Pinckley:

to process my life in a better way.

Kim Pinckley:

And I took the time to go and learn , polarity therapy and

Kim Pinckley:

cranial sacral therapy and.

Kim Pinckley:

Both of these modalities are a little bit of a hero's journey on their own

Kim Pinckley:

to learn them because you get to go through your own healing process as you

Kim Pinckley:

learn the teachings, as you experience the work, and this moment with you is

Kim Pinckley:

very interesting to me because we're both kind of in a pause place in our,

Kim Pinckley:

in our journey and being able to stop and just take a minute and digest.

Kim Pinckley:

And rest with it and be able to talk with each other around.

Kim Pinckley:

It just sounds like, you know, sounds so magical, So healing.

Kim Pinckley:

So anyway, , I again, started this journey many, many, many moons ago, and I not

Kim Pinckley:

only do this work in an office, I'm a practitioner, but I also share this work.

Kim Pinckley:

I teach it to other people to learn how.

Kim Pinckley:

For them to learn how to be practitioners and to take this

Kim Pinckley:

into their own lives as well.

Kim Pinckley:

I've had the great fortune of studying with a teacher , who walked with a

Kim Pinckley:

medicine man from the Cree tradition and experience , these teachings

Kim Pinckley:

through that filter as well, through this beautiful filter of how.

Kim Pinckley:

ether and all of the elements show up in nature, and then in

Kim Pinckley:

relation to your life as well.

Kim Pinckley:

So just, you know, that's my daily day is to be in my office tuning

Kim Pinckley:

into people and to their process and.

Kim Pinckley:

Them find resolution to challenge and to consistently be related to

Kim Pinckley:

how these teachings show up in nature and in my own life as a seeker.

Kim Pinckley:

Mm.

Kim Pinckley:

I

Amanda Lux:

love that.

Amanda Lux:

, we are here in the middle of teaching a polarity therapy course

Amanda Lux:

on the elements and embodying the elements and the chakras, that's

Amanda Lux:

why you flew here from Arizona and.

Amanda Lux:

And we're doing our third round of teaching here together

Amanda Lux:

in the Pacific Northwest

Amanda Lux:

on my family's land.

Amanda Lux:

And we're looking out over the water and because that's the context, I

Amanda Lux:

also wanted to invite you to just.

Amanda Lux:

, , just a little bit about what polarity is to you.

Amanda Lux:

Like what is polarity, what are the elements,

Amanda Lux:

What is ether even?

Amanda Lux:

Right?

Kim Pinckley:

Hmm.

Kim Pinckley:

That's one of my favorite questions, ? And I always, every single time I'm

Kim Pinckley:

asked, I stumble on it because it's so.

Kim Pinckley:

Dimensional this work and to just try and bring it down to

Kim Pinckley:

a little bit of a nutshell.

Kim Pinckley:

This polarity therapy is a very holistic healthcare system that relates to all

Kim Pinckley:

of our bodies, our mental, emotional, physical, energetic, structural

Kim Pinckley:

bodies tuning into the places where energy is not circulating optimally.

Kim Pinckley:

Making relationship to those places, tuning that energy so that it can

Kim Pinckley:

find its way into circulation and it can animate these bodies in a way,

Kim Pinckley:

We can be fully expressed emotionally and physically and mentally out in our worlds.

Kim Pinckley:

And one of the ways that we.

Kim Pinckley:

With this energy is through the chakra system, and the five chakras

Kim Pinckley:

are related to the five elements, and these elements would be ether

Kim Pinckley:

and air and fire and water and earth.

Kim Pinckley:

And each of these elements that are related to these chakras, they carry

Kim Pinckley:

different qualities and they govern different parts of our lives and our

Kim Pinckley:

bodies and different systems in our bodies, and they work independently and

Kim Pinckley:

together consistently trying to create and sustain a balance that helps us

Kim Pinckley:

be in that place of full expression.

Kim Pinckley:

That's be.

Amanda Lux:

and in case you listening are like, Wait a minute, I thought there were

Amanda Lux:

seven chakras, , or more than you are.

Amanda Lux:

Correct.

Amanda Lux:

There are, there are many more energy centers in our body than than these five,

Amanda Lux:

but the five PR primary physical chakras each relate to one of the five element.

Amanda Lux:

And Ether is related to the throat chakra and that is considered the

Amanda Lux:

gateway to the upper energy centers.

Kim Pinckley:

So just listening to you, if I were to riff off of that for

Kim Pinckley:

a minute, ether is the place, the transformer between spirit and form, like

Kim Pinckley:

as source energy comes in through the crown chakra into our chakric system.

Kim Pinckley:

Ether is that gateway.

Kim Pinckley:

I love when you say gateway.

Kim Pinckley:

It's one of my favorite words, and I think about etheric energy as

Kim Pinckley:

the spark or the initiation or the invocation or invitation from Spirit.

Kim Pinckley:

That would inspire us to go out into the world and become expressed

Kim Pinckley:

or become manifest to make change, to do something, to honor spirit,

Kim Pinckley:

ultimately, to go out and be in this world in a way that serves ourselves,

Kim Pinckley:

our brothers and sisters, that brings something of source energy to fruition.

Kim Pinckley:

. Amanda Lux: How's that?

Kim Pinckley:

I think that's perfect.

Kim Pinckley:

We're discussing ether and the space between things and how, you know, I guess

Kim Pinckley:

this is a good moment to bring in sort of the general cultural relationship that

Kim Pinckley:

we have to space and to the pause between moments, between movements of our life.

Kim Pinckley:

There isn't a lot of honoring of the transitions or of the beginnings before.

Kim Pinckley:

The beginnings, even what's in the field before you embark on a new thing, right?

Kim Pinckley:

That's the ether what's in the field of your life, of your mind, of your

Kim Pinckley:

spirit, before you begin to create something there's not a lot of

Kim Pinckley:

ceremony in general, in most modern culture, , that honoring of that.

Kim Pinckley:

Initial spark and ether is sort of that, the hoop of the wheel, right?

Kim Pinckley:

So it also embodies the the final ending as well when, when something goes all the

Kim Pinckley:

way through from the ether to the air, to the fire, to the water, to the earth, and

Kim Pinckley:

finally is in physical form, and then it changes again and goes back to the ether.

Kim Pinckley:

And that's our life cycle.

Kim Pinckley:

And that's the life cycle of every creation.

Kim Pinckley:

And.

Kim Pinckley:

What we teach in polarity is that energy cannot be created or destroyed, right?

Kim Pinckley:

That's a Einstein quote, I believe.

Kim Pinckley:

Um, it's always transforming, so as soon as something has its full expression and

Kim Pinckley:

is comes to the end of its expression, it, it just changes form, and that's

Kim Pinckley:

what we do in our lives as well.

Kim Pinckley:

How do we honor the beginning and the end?

Kim Pinckley:

And even more interestingly to me in the moment is how do we honor the space

Kim Pinckley:

between the beginning and the end?

Kim Pinckley:

? How do we honor that etheric moment where we are between things where

Kim Pinckley:

we're not what we were and we're not yet what we're becoming, where we

Kim Pinckley:

haven't yet had the new idea, but we've let go of something that was.

Kim Pinckley:

What?

Kim Pinckley:

What do we do in that place when we're sort of free falling or we're

Kim Pinckley:

just suspended and we're not moving at all and there's just nothing.

Kim Pinckley:

I have a thought about that.

Kim Pinckley:

. I bet you do.

Kim Pinckley:

we listen.

Kim Pinckley:

Mm-hmm.

Kim Pinckley:

, it's a quality of Ether is about listening, and it's like, I'll

Kim Pinckley:

tell you where this brought me.

Kim Pinckley:

It brought me to, again, a teaching that came from one of my teachers, Heather

Kim Pinckley:

Principe, and she speaks about the moment of creation when we're talking about a

Kim Pinckley:

human being coming into creation, talking about when the sperm and the egg meet,

Kim Pinckley:

and that moment where in the ethers our.

Kim Pinckley:

Hear that spark of creation that happens and we hear that as our song.

Kim Pinckley:

Our song is being played, and we have that choice to come and follow

Kim Pinckley:

our song and come into creation and we, you know, you have to be

Kim Pinckley:

listening if you wanna hear your song.

Kim Pinckley:

Right.

Kim Pinckley:

And I just kind of like think about, we were just talking too, you're talking

Kim Pinckley:

about this evolutionary process.

Kim Pinckley:

An evolutionary process, how there's the begin the space before everything begins.

Kim Pinckley:

The space where if you're quiet and you're still, and you hear your song,

Kim Pinckley:

you can come in and then you come in and you do this whole thing and you, you

Kim Pinckley:

do this thing called a life a lifetime.

Kim Pinckley:

And then at the end of your life, there's a stillness that comes too, where

Kim Pinckley:

you're gonna hear your call back to.

Kim Pinckley:

and it is very much like this space between like, okay, we're alive as

Kim Pinckley:

a human being, and then there's this liminal space, and then we have this

Kim Pinckley:

transformational process called death where we then move into a different

Kim Pinckley:

form and we have all of the experiences that came through in this lifetime.

Kim Pinckley:

So we're.

Kim Pinckley:

We, we have a different frequency than when we came in as a thought.

Kim Pinckley:

You know, I speak that and I'm not sure if that's true, but I

Kim Pinckley:

have a thought that that's true.

Kim Pinckley:

We've just gone through something, a transformational piece, picked up

Kim Pinckley:

some things, let go of some things.

Kim Pinckley:

And you know, it's a kind of an interesting thing.

Kim Pinckley:

If you think about our culture and you think about our

Kim Pinckley:

resistance to death typically.

Kim Pinckley:

, we have a little, you know, we have fear of death in our culture and at

Kim Pinckley:

that is, I would say at the root of the fear of pausing in our lives.

Kim Pinckley:

Like the same idea of slowing down, stopping being, still, being with

Kim Pinckley:

the nothingness, doing the nothing like, I think that that's a little bit

Kim Pinckley:

intimidating to many of us in our world.

Kim Pinckley:

Like what happens if we're just still quiet and.

Kim Pinckley:

what Will we have to hear

Kim Pinckley:

? Amanda Lux: Right.

Kim Pinckley:

Good point.

Kim Pinckley:

, I love so much that you brought in the life cycle in polarity when we talk about

Kim Pinckley:

either when we teach about either as an element, as an entity, as a quality,

Kim Pinckley:

as a way Ether has both a positive and negative pull as all of the elements do,

Kim Pinckley:

as everything does, and in the positive pull of Ether is that blissful, euphoric

Kim Pinckley:

experience of oneness with everything and in the negative pull of Ether is grief.

Kim Pinckley:

and I think grief is something that is becoming a lot more

Kim Pinckley:

talked about in our culture.

Kim Pinckley:

I think it hasn't been talked about, there hasn't been space for

Kim Pinckley:

it for a really, really long time.

Kim Pinckley:

And that as we consider how we relate to death or how we relate to pausing

Kim Pinckley:

between things to sit and take them in.

Kim Pinckley:

Then oftentimes we have to meet grief.

Kim Pinckley:

, you know, and it's right there next to the euphoric experience of oneness.

Kim Pinckley:

They're right next to each other.

Kim Pinckley:

They're not, the opposite poles are are like on a circle where the one end

Kim Pinckley:

meets the other all the way around.

Kim Pinckley:

They're not far.

Kim Pinckley:

And so it's an interesting non-linear journey and.

Kim Pinckley:

I don't know.

Kim Pinckley:

I have, I have a lot of thoughts about that, about grief, but I, I'm

Kim Pinckley:

gonna pass it back to you and just see what you, what you have to say, Kim.

Kim Pinckley:

Well, I'll tell you what kind of came to me is

Kim Pinckley:

that it's, it's a thought that just coming here and incarnating

Kim Pinckley:

carries a certain amount of grief.

Kim Pinckley:

As we come into a more dense form and we separate, if you wanna say that word, it

Kim Pinckley:

doesn't feel right, but whatever level of separation we have from Source Energy, as

Kim Pinckley:

we come and become more in a human body, in a human form, and we meet the draws

Kim Pinckley:

and the the density of this world and that there's such a deep, longing to go back

Kim Pinckley:

to source, to kind of release ourselves from the heaviness of this place.

Kim Pinckley:

. Really, you get to feel the oneness or you will feel the longing.

Kim Pinckley:

Right.

Kim Pinckley:

And I think too about substances in our world and I think about

Kim Pinckley:

how alcohol and drugs, anything that brings us to a, a high.

Kim Pinckley:

In some way, shape, or form are a way of trying to reconnect to source energy too,

Kim Pinckley:

to like be in the ethers, to be higher, to be shedding the heaviness of this world.

Kim Pinckley:

And I think that this is, again, one of those things where if we do take these

Kim Pinckley:

pauses, if we do take these places of the space in between, if we do give

Kim Pinckley:

ourselves moments and even days, Of time to just be able to allow ourselves to

Kim Pinckley:

have our E it opens up the possibility to make relationship to these two poles.

Kim Pinckley:

Hmm.

Amanda Lux:

Beautiful.

Amanda Lux:

Right.

Amanda Lux:

I do wanna interject here and just give a little plug for the fact that

Amanda Lux:

you're offering a retreat in January, 2023, and I would wanna invite you to

Amanda Lux:

just speak to, in case you listening are like coming to this before that

Amanda Lux:

date and you might be interested, but also just as a mind blowing, you

Amanda Lux:

know, little invitation to consider this in your life in whatever form.

Amanda Lux:

So, speak about your retreat.

Kim Pinckley:

I would love to speak about my retreat and I wanna just talk

Kim Pinckley:

to you and tell you a small story here of how, where this retreat came to me and.

Kim Pinckley:

, It was in a vision quest.

Kim Pinckley:

I actually spent four days out on the land alone with nothing

Kim Pinckley:

to do, no reading, no writing, no food, no water, just me, right?

Kim Pinckley:

Doing this thing that we're talking about, taking space from

Kim Pinckley:

the craziness of my life, from the busyness of my life to make relation.

Kim Pinckley:

And I do regularly take four days of silence.

Kim Pinckley:

I don't do it to the extent of no food.

Kim Pinckley:

And, you know, this is, this was a held ceremony with my teacher

Kim Pinckley:

, and for me, what came up was giving

Kim Pinckley:

the time after I've completed something.

Kim Pinckley:

to honor it, to not just jump onto the very next thing.

Kim Pinckley:

Cuz usually I'll be doing that before the last thing's over.

Kim Pinckley:

You know, I'm already on the next thing and so that's normal.

Kim Pinckley:

Like in our culture, I don't know if it's normal to nature, but I would say that

Kim Pinckley:

we all have a little bit of a challenge of just pausing after, you know, you can

Kim Pinckley:

do this from your dinner, you can pause after eating dinner and allow yourself

Kim Pinckley:

five minutes to just be with the meal.

Kim Pinckley:

You just.

Kim Pinckley:

And you can be in a space of blessing the nourishment that has

Kim Pinckley:

just come through your system.

Kim Pinckley:

This is a way to, a simple way to make relation to your e in

Kim Pinckley:

your, your etheric energy in your life, or to cultivate it more.

Kim Pinckley:

And so back to my vision quest as I was on the land, I.

Kim Pinckley:

Had this thought come through about holding a retreat,

Kim Pinckley:

which is something that I do.

Kim Pinckley:

I, I love holding retreats.

Kim Pinckley:

This retreat was inspired by taking space though.

Kim Pinckley:

And so in the native world, they talk about the four directions and the.

Kim Pinckley:

How they relate to the four seasons too.

Kim Pinckley:

And so if you take this northern door, which would also be the winter, and

Kim Pinckley:

you think about what happens in nature during the northern door and everything

Kim Pinckley:

goes down, there's hibernation.

Kim Pinckley:

We get still, we go and get resourced.

Kim Pinckley:

We take naps.

Kim Pinckley:

We should like, You know, that's a thought, right?

Kim Pinckley:

But nature, that's what happens is that there's not a lot of movement.

Kim Pinckley:

We're not doing anything new.

Kim Pinckley:

We're relaxing.

Kim Pinckley:

We're, we're resting.

Kim Pinckley:

We're taking the space between the fall and the spring.

Kim Pinckley:

And the spring is the place of the new, But in the winter months, it's

Kim Pinckley:

the place of the non-doing, just being.

Kim Pinckley:

If you're a seed, you're just waiting underground to crack.

Kim Pinckley:

You're not doing.

Kim Pinckley:

And so I thought to myself, you know, what about holding a retreat

Kim Pinckley:

where the invitation is to just come and be in that space with others?

Kim Pinckley:

Be in this space of unplugging, of not needing to respond to your

Kim Pinckley:

phone or to your boss, or to your spouse, or your children or your

Kim Pinckley:

partner, and just being and taking.

Kim Pinckley:

of yourself, Like eating what feels right, doing what feels right, and most like, I

Kim Pinckley:

don't know if this is most importantly, but I feel like it's something that,

Kim Pinckley:

you know, again, just doesn't get its space in our world, especially as adults.

Kim Pinckley:

I wanted to invite play, and I wanted to.

Kim Pinckley:

, just say, Let's laugh.

Kim Pinckley:

Like, you know, we do all this work on ourselves.

Kim Pinckley:

We go inward.

Kim Pinckley:

We are doing the hero's journey.

Kim Pinckley:

We're tuning into the places that need healing and the things that

Kim Pinckley:

need to get met in our lives.

Kim Pinckley:

Well, what is it like to just sit around and maybe play a game and laugh with

Kim Pinckley:

each other and you know, go to bed as early or as late as you want, and really

Kim Pinckley:

just tuning into you the being of.

Kim Pinckley:

Hmm.

Kim Pinckley:

I love that.

Amanda Lux:

So just to say, Coming out of a pause for the podcast itself, , , I

Amanda Lux:

didn't know how long the pause would need to be, but I knew I needed a

Amanda Lux:

little break and I had an idea that I would start at the beginning of fall,

Amanda Lux:

but we had a really long summer here in the Pacific Northwest and fall.

Amanda Lux:

Really, just started . And that's when I was like, Oh, it's time.

Amanda Lux:

It's time to pick this up again.

Amanda Lux:

I was hearing the, the soul of the podcast speak to me and suddenly I was

Amanda Lux:

inspired, but I kept thinking throughout this, few months that has gone by

Amanda Lux:

where I have not put out an episode.

Amanda Lux:

, what will happen if I take a break?

Amanda Lux:

Will it die?

Amanda Lux:

Will it go away?

Amanda Lux:

Will it be hard to pick it back up?

Amanda Lux:

What will happen if I step away?

Amanda Lux:

What will happen to me?

Amanda Lux:

What will happen to the podcast?

Amanda Lux:

Will it stick around?

Amanda Lux:

Will the spirit of this creative thing, you know, continue to choose

Amanda Lux:

me to move through ? I wasn't really totally sure, but I just knew I

Amanda Lux:

had to honor my own need for space.

Amanda Lux:

Yeah, so I did, you know, and part of that came through my dreams too.

Amanda Lux:

I just heard it in my dreams.

Amanda Lux:

It was time to close the computer.

Amanda Lux:

It was time to reengage in my teaching in a more in-person way.

Amanda Lux:

It was time to start running outside more and just doing some things

Amanda Lux:

differently than I was doing them.

Amanda Lux:

And in addition to pausing the podcast I also heard that it was time

Amanda Lux:

to transition the membership and my entire platform for the Elevation.

Amanda Lux:

Hive Dreamwork community with its own app and all of these courses and

Amanda Lux:

forums that I had developed and poured myself into for the last two years, it

Amanda Lux:

suddenly was telling me that it was time.

Amanda Lux:

So there's the flush of the toilet

Amanda Lux:

. Kim Pinckley: That's so on point.

Amanda Lux:

I don't

Amanda Lux:

know if the mic picked that up, but right as I said that

Amanda Lux:

suddenly there was this flushing of a toilet in the in the background.

Amanda Lux:

From who knows where, The proverbial toilet just got flushed, so I flushed

Amanda Lux:

it all down the toilet and everything I made, everything I created, I pulled

Amanda Lux:

the plug, you know, and I said goodbye.

Amanda Lux:

And it was one of the most like intense grieving processes.

Amanda Lux:

It's been really, really sad because to me, providing a space

Amanda Lux:

for people to share their dreams.

Amanda Lux:

and come together regularly to create art from their dreams and to learn

Amanda Lux:

about dream work and energy medicine, you know, from anywhere in the world

Amanda Lux:

has always been really important to me.

Amanda Lux:

It's for a very long time, it's been my dream, but I was hearing

Amanda Lux:

that it was time to take a pause.

Amanda Lux:

It needed to transition, and I could have resisted that very easily.

Amanda Lux:

I could have said, No, I've built this thing.

Amanda Lux:

I wanna keep it going.

Amanda Lux:

, but I just had to honor the movement of the, soul of this project and this thing.

Amanda Lux:

And so in the midst of the pause of the podcast, I also closed down the

Amanda Lux:

membership and I let it transition into something new, They say that when

Amanda Lux:

someone dies, there's this window of time,

Amanda Lux:

? Where it's not time to get

Amanda Lux:

? And then finally you get rid of the body, but the soul's doing its work.

Amanda Lux:

In many, many cultures throughout history, there are sacred processes to hold that

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space for those who are transition.

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, maybe not so much in this culture now, currently in this day and age, but

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some of those are being remembered and.

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Reenacted rejuvenated brought back, thankfully, , respectfully.

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And, , we're starting to get more consciousness , we're

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starting to learn that babies have feelings when they're born.

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They can actually feel pain

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you know, we, they didn't even know, you know, at that point there wasn't

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the consciousness that babies feel things and that maybe we feel things

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after , we go and leave this body, you know, maybe it's not in the physical.

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We're feeling them in different ways.

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There's different reverberations the energy goes through and maybe it's not

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always the same, but there are processes.

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So I feel like I'm in that place with the hive.

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It.

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, I'm honoring the process of the death of that thing that was, and I'm listening,

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you know, I'm really listening.

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How does it want to be reborn?

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How does it want to take new form and what is the course of its carmic

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journey or whatever it is, you know, that's that, that creative spark.

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How does it wanna keep.

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And how can I foster that?

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How can I be of service to that?

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But more importantly than even asking those questions, there's the, just

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sitting with it, being gone and feeling the hole where that place was, where

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I used to have a place to share dreams and to read others' dreams every morning

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when I woke up and that place is gone.

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And rather than filling it with something, I've really been sitting

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with that, sitting with my own dreams in the silence of my morning and

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sitting with the emptiness of not having others to share them with and

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honoring the grief and that hole, , that place was filled up with beauty and

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connection and, and it isn't now you.

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And there have been moments where I could, touch it and I could say,

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Ugh, it hurts . It really hurts.

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And then, but then I don't have to label it that because in the

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next moment it's joyful because I'm free to do other things.

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That energy is still moving through me.

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It's just moving in different directions.

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and I can also be in that quiet stillness and just be curious with it,

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you know, and observe the hole that that place used to fill up for me.

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And I know that everything is in a constant state of

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transformation, so it's not over.

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And I certainly know that my mission of being of service on the planet,

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Bringing people's dreams and awareness around energy and sharing these sacred

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practices and, , ways of living and perceiving are, they're not going away.

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And I'll keep doing that, but I don't know yet what it'll look like.

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So I love that you're doing that retreat, Kim, and that I appreciate you coming

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onto the podcast and helping me initiate this pick it back up because I heard in

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the quiet space between what was and what hasn't yet become that new thing.

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I heard that it was time to talk to this, to like, to give this voice , to inspire.

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Maybe for the listeners out there who are listening, who are listening to

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their own energy, who are listening to our collective energies to inspire that

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appreciation for the space between things.

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Oh, my , oh my goodness.

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I really just have to take a minute and really honor that whole piece.

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There's something about.

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, just where you started with this, like the, the little

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fears, like what will it be?

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What will I be, will spirit still talk to me in the same way?

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Is it gonna come through if I let this go?

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And, you know, I, I frequently relate ether to this idea

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of floating in space and to.

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Vastness.

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The infinite possibility.

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The clean slate.

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And . The vastness like the untethered.

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Like, which way will it go?

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Which way will I float off into, and for how long and for how far will I

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just keep going and going and going out into space and to consciously and

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willingly go into that place is a thing.

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And I heard so many, I heard you just speak to all of the qualities of either,

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I mean, I can tell you I heard listening and I heard space and I heard freedom

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and I heard grief and I heard, I heard my version of your connection to spirit.

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I heard solitude.

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I heard, you know, I think that might cover like most of the.

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of Ether, and it's a beautiful story and it's a beautiful journey.

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Me sitting here, getting to watch it with you, witness be with you,

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and to some degree, , even if it's just, , in witness and, hmm.

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Again, I just, I really, really honor your willingness to go there and that

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for me, , talking about this with you, with this subject with you, , that I, I

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would hope that there's an inspiration that comes from this piece for all of us.

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To just take a little bit of a deep dive into outer space, , , and

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just be there and see where it goes, and see what happens.

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And being able to have, This is another one faith, you know?

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Mm-hmm.

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, just tuning to your, to your source, to your relationship

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with your creator in the floating emptiness that has such possibility.

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Yeah.

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Oh my gosh, Kim, you totally like sparked something when you were just

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speaking to that, but I suddenly had this thought that like, the

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positive and negative pole.

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, that they're all inclusive.

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That we can't really experience one without the other.

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That the entirety of our experience is meant to contain them all.

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Right?

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And we have this aversion.

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We as in sort of culturally there is an idea that it's, we don't wanna

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go to the negative poles of things.

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You know, We don't wanna be in grief or we don't wanna be in.

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And yet I thought about this and how for the negative and positive

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pull of the earth . So the ether is the fifth element, right?

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The fifth chakra, the throat, and that's the beginning of spirit coming into form.

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And it moves down through each of these elements into denser and

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denser qualities or frequencies until it reaches the earth plane.

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And that's our root chakra and the.

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The positive and negative is fear and courage and oh my goodness, you can't

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have courage without fear because courage is not the absence of fear, right?

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It's about, you know, facing our fears.

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It's being afraid and doing something.

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and that feeling of oneness and connection with all things is not

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about not grieving or not having grief.

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It's about moving through grief.

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It's incorporating grief and the, and the longing.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's, it's, it's all of that.

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Right?

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So that, I don't know.

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I just had this, uh, this great feeling that, that full body

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epiphenal feeling of just how.

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in those moments when we don't resist the negative pull of something and

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we really just welcome it how we get to have this ecstatic, wonderful,

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joyful experience of grief.

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Even like I loved my grieving.

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Mm-hmm.

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, right?

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These months of grieving or these weeks of grieving, you know, I mean

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literally the platform just poof, disappeared yesterday officially.

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I came to a close a few weeks ago.

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It was really just literally yesterday that it disappeared.

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That the, if you go to that website now, there's just nothing.

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It'll say there's nothing here.

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It's in the ether.

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But like sitting with that and really going into that feeling

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of the, ugh, this is so sad.

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Or to the, to the non-existence of a.

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and welcoming that, grieving and welcoming the emptiness or welcoming the fear.

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If we can welcome the fear with trust or with faith or with.

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Maybe some neutrality.

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Can I please?

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So I just love this.

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Like, you, you can never make it up, right?

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This, this evolutionary process of energy.

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We, we've spoken about it a few times about how the energy becomes

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more and more dense as you come down from spirit to matter.

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And then we spoke a little bit about how once you hit the.

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Yes, there's that idea that the energy then transforms and comes

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back into the ether element, right?

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It's, it's transmuted or however you wanna like be with that idea.

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And I hear that if we speak to the positive, like another way to look

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at the positive and negative polls of Ether with there being this idea

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that at one poll it is invocation.

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Inspiration inception, and at the other poll it's integration.

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And I just heard you come through this whole piece and just talking

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about how to just be accepting of the quote unquote negative, Right?

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How to be with the grief, and what that comes to for me is you've integr.

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this piece in your life.

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And you know, this whole idea of being able to go to the website now.

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And see this piece and make relationship to that and go on with your day.

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Yeah.

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You know, not like in a way of dismissiveness or I'm not gonna deal

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with that right now, but of inclusion.

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Right.

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And that is integration.

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And integration again, is something that I think we fight in this world

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because it it, it absolutely involves us being able to be with both poles.

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I think one of my favorite tools within Polarity is to really

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be able to see that continuum.

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Mm-hmm.

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and witness that continuum from a place of neutrality.

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Witnessing myself in the negative poll and the grieving there and

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the hole in my heart and the empty webpage that comes up when I type in

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my, you know, it makes me wanna cry.

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Right.

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But I can be with that simultaneously on the same continuum as the joy

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and excitement and freedom and who knows what's next and the space.

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I have to get up and do something else , right?

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Instead of get on my computer, which I was really craving, ? I just was

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so busy, ? And at the same time, I'm missing that, I'm longing for that,

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but I'm also so joyful about it.

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So yeah, that continuum, the simultaneous experience of both

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ends, it's a really ecstatic thing.

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It really is.

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It's like when you're, when you start laughing really hard and suddenly you

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start crying and sobbing and then you start laughing really hard cuz you're

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crying and sobbing and then you cry some more and it's like . Do you know

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that thing, that hysterical place?

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Maybe that's just me.

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. Kim Pinckley: I love it.

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No, I know what you

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mean.

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But like, can we do that, you know, in a conscious way, be with the

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cry, be with the laugh, be with the forgetting what you were crying or

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laughing about, be, be with all of those aspects in a sort of simultaneous.

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I think the more what we practice, then the more simultaneous it becomes.

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That's how it's been for me.

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And now I just love that I can hold space for myself to, to have those processes.

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And it doesn't have to define.

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. You know, I can say, Oh, I'm grieving, but that doesn't mean that's all I am.

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I'm just having an experience of grieving, simultaneous to loving my

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life, you know, and loving myself and loving the space and the possibility.

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So Maybe for the listeners out there wherever you are in your

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journey on your healer's journey, , I invite you to try that on in your

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own way, whatever that is for you.

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And maybe you already.

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and you have your own wisdom around it.

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That piece about being with the fear or the uncomfort of going

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into that space, in the deeper way?

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You know, it's, it is, It's an evolutionary process.

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It's something that I've certainly met in different ways before, and a

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lot of times, especially with grief, it's not something that you ask for.

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Like it comes and you have to deal.

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Right.

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You don't have a choice sometimes, you know when you lose people in your life.

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Right.

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And so there's been times where I've had to meet it like that.

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And there's some things, like I said, just so for me, so powerful about

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you talking about going into this space when you didn't have to mm-hmm.

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like you chose to, you chose to do this thing for yourself.

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And that is inspiring to me, and I'm really hearing that

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and listening to it and tuning.

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And grateful for your share cuz I'm tuning into that energy of it and

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That's what I can speak to right now , I just really have such an honoring

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for you to show up to that by choice.

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And it's a big deal.

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Hm.

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And I also hear this piece too, that I think about your grief that

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you spoke to around your process.

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And under my understanding of polarity, my understanding of the

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universal truths is the amount of energy that is in that grief.

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It is impossible that there isn't the same amount of energy in the positive.

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Like that's what we're talking about, this continuing this, this positive and

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negative, and the inclusion of the all.

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And this idea of like how do you be with that?

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How do you sign up for that?

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Right?

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How do you sign up for being in love with your grief?

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And when I hear that, I think about how much love you had for the thing that

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you lost or that you chose to let go of or whatever the context was, right?

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And that they are absolutely equal.

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and you can't escape that.

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And if you couldn't have one, you couldn't have the other.

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It's like that age ageless saying, Right.

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And.

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For some reason it feels like harder to be with this than like, Oh, if you don't have

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night, then you don't have day . Right?

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This is a little bit more intense.

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And so I just, again, for me, with you right now in this space, it's

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an honoring and, , I wanna just tell you that I'm inspired and thank you

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for bringing me here and sharing your story and allowing me to speak

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and articulate and move through my process even just a little bit more.

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Mm.

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Thank you.

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Mm.

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Thank you so much Kim.

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That like really, really touches me so deeply.

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And I've also just, you know, to say like I have totally gathered inspiration from

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observing you and your walk with Ether and space and just our conversations

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or my observations of your life and how you do that and how you speak.

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and it was definitely your voice in my ear when I was like, Oh, I wanna do this.

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It's time . First of all, I could hear the podcast speaking, but

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it was like Kim in there too.

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Like, Oh, Ether, . How do we honor that space?

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How do we do the stillness?

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How do we do the non-doing?

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How do we do that and how do we.

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better.

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You know, how do we do that as a practice, with commitment to it?

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And for me, I, I think anybody that knows me, I'm a.

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Doer, like, whoa.

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Both of us are actually . We're both very like fire constitution,

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air fire going for it.

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And somehow you're anchoring that ether finding balance.

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And it's just totally magnificent how you're doing life and how you're doing

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the non-doing in between and within.

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Right?

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And we kind of get to that place too.

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If we practice, I think we can practice that even while we're

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running from thing to thing.

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We're holding that space for ourselves, right?

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Even when we're in the moment of deep grief, we're experiencing ecstatic joy.

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, ? That's the practice is how can we hold it all and how do we be with nothing?

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Aho,

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You know, just that.

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That's just that

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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participating in this episode of a Lone Traveler's Guide to the Divine.

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May this deepen your own inquiry and exploration of your energy and your

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soul's path, and I am so, so grateful to be in sacred community with you.