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SBP 130: Zombie Metrics: Don’t Fall for Misleading Data. With Dale Harrison.
Episode 1301st July 2025 • Sleeping Barber - A Marketing Podcast • Sleeping Barber
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In this episode, Dale Harrison discusses the concept of 'zombie metrics' and their misleading nature in marketing.

He emphasizes the importance of data literacy for marketers to gain credibility and make informed decisions. The conversation critiques the traditional funnel model, suggesting it is outdated and does not accurately represent the marketing process.

Dale proposes a new way of thinking about marketing metrics, focusing on the impact of brand marketing and the often unreliable nature of intent data.

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Our guest:

Dale Harrison

Consultant - Inforda Life Sciences Services

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dalewharrison/


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https://www.linkedin.com/company/sleeping-barber/⁠⁠

https://www.sleepingbarber.ca


Get in touch with our hosts:

Marc Binkley: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcbinkley/

Vassilis Douros: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/vassilisdouros/⁠


Chapters

00:00 - Introduction

02:12 - Understanding Zombie Metrics

10:28 - The Importance of Data Literacy in Marketing

12:21 - The Role of Financial Metrics in Marketing

22:04 - The Funnel vs. Gumball Machine Model in Marketing

26:41 - The Evolution of Sales Tactics

29:21 - Understanding Marketing Models and Buyer Behaviour

30:22 - The Role of Memory in Marketing

32:36 - Measuring Marketing Effectiveness

35:29 - The Impact of Brand Marketing

37:51 - The Misconception of Intent in Marketing

45:12 - The Limitations of Intent Data


Takeaways

Zombie metrics can mislead marketers and decision-makers.

Data literacy is essential for credibility in marketing.

The traditional funnel model is outdated and oversimplified.

Marketing should focus on altering future buyer behaviour.

Brand marketing has a lasting impact on consumer memory.

Intent data is often unreliable and can lead to false assumptions.

Marketers need to evaluate the metrics they use critically.

Understanding contribution margin is crucial for marketing effectiveness.

Effective marketing requires a balance of performance and brand strategies.

The cost of acquiring customers is often exaggerated in marketing discussions.

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