In this episode, we continue our series on race and the enneagram and interview Chichi Agorom, author of the brilliant book, The Enneagram for Black Liberation. 

[0:45] What’s energizing Chichi right now? 

[3:00] The importance of considering the collective, not just the individual, when using the enneagram

[7:35] A bit about Chichi’s Nigerian background

[9:10] What’s challenging about being from a collectivist culture

[11:00] The difference between individualism and individuality

[14:00] What Chichi wishes people truly understood about the enneagram

[18:15] The role that our armor plays in our lives

[25:45] If our type/strategy is armor, is it ever ok to get rid of it? 

[29:30] On the concept of “centered”

[33:30] On the importance and nuance of vulnerability . . . and the role privilege plays

[37:50] Chichi turns the tables and asks us about our armor

[49:00] What can listeners do to increase understanding of the collective? 

[54:50] Where can listeners find Chichi? 

Follow Chichi : www.chichiagorom.com and @theenneagramforblackliberation on Insta. 

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Fathoms | An Enneagram Podcast: “Discovering our inner depths, one fathom at a time.”

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Co-hosts: Seth Abram, Seth Creekmore, Lindsey Marks, Drew Moser

Production/Editing: Seth Creekmore

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