00:00 Introduction and Greetings

00:43 AI and Christian Ethics

04:26 The Impact of AI on Critical Thinking

09:00 Politeness with AI

09:49 Daily Bible Reading: Matthew 17

11:01 Understanding the Timeline: Six or Eight Days?

11:21 Elijah's Return: John the Baptist's Role

12:58 Jesus Heals the Demon-Possessed Boy

13:36 Jesus Predicts His Death and Resurrection

13:58 The Temple Tax and Jesus' Authority

15:03 Faith and Prayer: Lessons from the Disciples' Failure

17:15 Childlike Faith and True Greatness

22:21 Concluding Thoughts and Prayer

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another edition

of the Daily Bible podcast.

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Happy Tuesday.

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Yep.

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It is Tuesday 21st, the 21st.

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And I've got a question

for you, pastor Rod.

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Okay.

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I'd love to ask you the same question.

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Well, no, it's for you because

you are the leading AI expert

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amongst all of us on staff here.

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That's not true.

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I think Mark is pretty,

we're pretty close.

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Okay.

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Well, if he's not further than I

am it's apropos that you bring up.

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Pastor Mark, because he I

know is a big fan of Grok.

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Yes, he is.

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Does he, maybe he uses super grok.

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I don't know.

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You know, I wouldn't be surprised

if he told me that he did.

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Yeah.

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But I'm not sure.

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So, I think you've dabbled

in many of them, chat.

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GPT played with a few of them.

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Yeah.

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You mentioned that in yesterday's Gemini.

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I played with Grok.

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I have, I, you know, I played with them.

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You multiple AI friends?

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I played with them, yeah.

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Okay.

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So part one of my question is this it

was on the briefing recently with Dr.

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Moler.

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That chat, GBT recently came

out and said, we're pulling back

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restrictions that we would say as

Christians no don't pull this back.

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Those are good restrictions

to have in place.

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The restrictions against certain types

of content that you can create with ai.

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Yes.

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And so chat, GBT has come out and

said, Hey we're pulling back on that.

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Mm-hmm.

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If I have a subscription to chat, GBT.

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Am I complicit in supporting

some of this if I continue my

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subscription with chat GBT?

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So you can get chat GBT plus for

I think like 20 bucks a month.

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Yes.

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And so part of my 20 bucks a month

now is going into developing things

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that now we would say, hey, whoa.

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And not that every use of AI was

above board before that, but now

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this is a very clear, like we're

crossing lines here and they're like,

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Hey, we're gonna have an age gate.

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To Mueller's point, how

effective is an age gate really?

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And what are the other nefarious

things that are gonna be

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done here with this software?

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If there are other things out there,

should a Christian consider, maybe

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I should use something else instead.

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That's a good question, and if

you're asking that, good on you

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for at least considering it.

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Let me offer a few more

thoughts for your consideration.

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If you buy a car and a car has a

governor on it, a speed governor,

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where you cannot go faster than

65 miles an hour you might be.

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Thankful for that, especially

if you're prone to speeding.

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But if you need to drive 85 to pass

a certain person on the freeway to

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get beyond someone else you would

appreciate having that governor removed.

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And so, even if you use a vehicle in

inappropriately and improperly, and if

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you use it to break the law, let's say

you use that vehicle for vehicular

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manslaughter, is the vehicle suddenly

something that you're now supporting?

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Murder.

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If you buy cars, that can kill people.

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The same can be asked for about a gun.

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A gun can be used to protect people.

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It can also be used to murder people.

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You can use this argument

for a whole lot of things.

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If you can buy a web browser and buy

access to a really high-end browser that,

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it's coded with all these cool features.

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But the browser.

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Gives you access to everything.

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And in fact, there are some browsers that

are fitted for things like the dark web.

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If you want to get an onion

router, you can use it to do this.

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It's a VPN added software thing where

it can do all sorts of things and it

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give you access to things that a lot of

people don't need access to, and neither

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do they want them, but are you complicit

then if you're buying things like this

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and in supporting an nefarious cause?

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And I think the answer is maybe.

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Definitive maybe, and it

depends on your conscience.

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I think a lot of people can probably take

part in buying a Starbucks drink and not

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think twice about what they're supporting.

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Right.

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And their conscience is not moved.

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A person can buy a car that goes

really, really fast, you know, a big

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engine, multiple exhaust situation,

all these cool things, and they're

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not thinking about the potential

downsides of going 120 on the freeway.

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Shouldn't do that, by the way.

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But if they're not bothered by

that they're okay with having

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that speed and they feel like

they can steward that well then.

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Okay.

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Fine.

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God bless you.

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I think the same is true when it comes to.

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Advanced technology, and I think that's

what we're talking about with ai.

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You can buy these things and take part

in them and enjoy the benefits that

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they come with while also knowing in

your heart, some part of my dollar

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is going to supporting the server,

which is being built to do all these

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things that I don't want any part of.

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And so if your conscience bothers

you, you should no longer use it.

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Yeah.

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But my suspicion is that most of

them will eventually allow this AI

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is going that direction and we know,

we've seen how technology often the

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best technology goes there first.

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Sad to say, but that's the way it goes.

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Our job as Christians is to

redeem the use of these things

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and utilize 'em for good purposes.

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Bernard: Like the Daily

Bible Podcast, folks

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And if you're not able to do that.

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Your heart's not there.

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You can't stand that temptation.

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You should know yourself well

enough to do what Jesus says.

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Cut off your right hand,

pluck out your right eye.

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Yep.

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Definitely cancel your subscription.

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Go somewhere else.

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Find a different AI that's not doing

it for now, but I suspect they're

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all gonna go that way at some point.

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What do you think?

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Yeah , I would agree with that.

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It's a matter of conviction, a

matter of conscience, and if you

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have that conviction in and that

weighs under conscience, then don't

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sin against your conscience in that.

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And I think that's perfectly

reasonable and fine.

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Question number two, regarding

ai, multiple questions.

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I have a second question here.

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Didn't sign up for this.

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The danger of AI making me dumber.

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And it's maybe a bit of a twist because

I think AI is out there saying, Hey,

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this is meant to help us and we're

gonna be smarter because we have ai.

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Yeah.

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But I think that the danger is.

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It's so easy for us now to export critical

thinking to artificial intelligence now.

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Mm-hmm.

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And is that something that as a Christian

man, I need to be careful about that

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because it's really easy for me to not

have to think critically or think hard

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about something or even read a book

anymore because I can jump on AI and be

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like, Hey, summarize this thing for me.

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Yeah.

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So there was a study

that came out recently.

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It was a small study, short term,

but it was all over the news about

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AI making people effectively dumber.

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And the results were shocking enough

to be a headline on a lot of news

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articles saying, AI's making people dumb.

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Stop using AI for these things.

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And I think it's fair to say that ai,

if you export your thinking, you're

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going to not be as good at thinking.

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Absolutely.

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Right.

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I, it's perfect sense to us.

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Right?

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Right.

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It's the same reason none of us know

our, maybe we know our spouse's phone

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number, but we don't know anybody

else's because we don't need to

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use that part of our brain anymore.

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All of our memory is primarily

located on our devices.

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And so I think that

principle makes sense to me.

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That if you practice critical thinking

only on AI and you're never doing

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it yourself, you're gonna struggle

to practice your own critical

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thinking when the time requires it.

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So, absolutely that.

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I don't think that's shocking.

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I don't think that's revelatory.

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I think it's just common sense.

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If you don't practice your own

thinking, you're gonna have a hard time.

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I don't mind using GPT

like Google, though.

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You know, how many square miles

to this or what, you know.

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Sure.

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How long to that.

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And I do use AI for book summaries.

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I'll throw in my PDF of my book

summary and I'll say give me the

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outline of this, and then I'll ask

it questions, follow up questions.

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How does it defend this?

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How do we understand that according to

this author, what does it mean to do this?

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So I love all the.

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Opportunities at AI affords, but

they do know now the AI makers that

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people are struggling with this.

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And so chat, GPT specifically has a

study mode, a study and learn mode where

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you flip a switch and it works as a

tutor and not just someone who's feeding

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you answers, which I do appreciate.

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Schools are gonna have to figure

out how to say, look don't use ai.

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You're not learning, right?

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You're not learning, right.

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It's just not gonna work for you.

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So I think it can make us dumber

if we let it, but as someone

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who's learning to use a tool.

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The best way to guard yourself is not

let the tool do all the work for you

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unless it makes sense to do the work.

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If it's some kind of brainless,

like, I need you to do

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administration for me, fine.

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Do that.

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Right.

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But don't let it do your thinking.

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Well, there's a difference too,

between I think information gathering

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and having it think for you.

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'cause what you're talking

about is information gathering.

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Hey, summarize this book for me.

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How does he defend this?

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It's helping you , gather information.

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Yeah.

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Versus, if I've got a point that

I don't like in my sermon prep.

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And I'm like, oh man, , this

point could be reworded.

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I can drop that point into chat,

GBT or gimme 15 ways to say this.

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Yeah.

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Gimme 15 different and be like, oh, I

like that one, and throw that in there.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not thinking

critically at that point.

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Yeah.

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Now, if I've exported my critical thinking

process to an AI , and the risk is.

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Man, now, I'm dependent

upon that eventually.

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Yeah.

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And I can't sit with a point that I

don't like the wording of in my office

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by myself or on a run or wherever and

go, how, there's another way to say this.

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What's the better way to say this?

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Yeah.

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That's the danger that I sense that

I'm like, man I don't want to be

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that, to be so easy to do that.

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'cause I would've never asked

Google that in the past.

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And that's where it's

different from Google for me.

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Yeah.

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I would've never Googled like, hey.

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What's this point?

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Different 'cause, partially 'cause it

couldn't do that, but also just 'cause

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I never would've thought to do that.

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And now that something like that is out

there it's that temptation to export

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our critical thinking abilities that I

think can make us dumber as a society.

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Yeah.

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And I think the danger is there for

us, all of us, especially for those

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of us who are unaware it's gonna

be everywhere AI is being plugged

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into Anything that you can think of.

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Bernard: Yep

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Yeah.

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So I, I'm okay with using its

intelligence features and treating

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it in some ways like a human.

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Or I would say, tell me what

do you think about this?

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If I say this, what are the

potential holes in my saying that,

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what am I missing in my outline?

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I'll copy and paste my notes, my

sermon notes into AI all the time.

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And I'll say, tear this thing apart.

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How would an unbeliever think about this?

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How would an older believer,

how would they see this?

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And I'm using it as a tool to

help supplement my thinking and

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not a supplanting of my thinking.

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And I think that's really the key.

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You have to use it the right way.

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Yeah.

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And you have to be

responsible enough to do that.

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But I think that requires a certain

person, and I'm not sure that

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we're developing that as a nation.

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We're not building.

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Character into the curriculum.

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Our curriculum does not treat

character as the primary thing.

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That's being shaped and formed.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's understanding facts or

even just turning in work.

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And I think that's how we best use ai.

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We have character that says, I'm

not gonna use this improperly.

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And that's a choice that you have to make.

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I agree.

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Alright.

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Final question in a short one, 'cause

I know we gotta get to the DBR.

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Do you say thank you to ai?

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I've gone back and forth.

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I've heard.

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Because it was trained on humans with

human information that just like a

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human tends to interact better with

other people when there's politeness.

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I thought, okay, well,

let me give this a shot.

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I got over it.

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I no longer do that because I got bored

and I got upset having to add thank you.

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And I'm like, you're not a person.

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I don't wanna do this.

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So I, on principle, I stopped

doing it and out of, also, I'm

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like, this is not efficient.

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But I did hear it gives better answers.

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I'm not sure.

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I couldn't tell the difference.

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Well, I've also heard that

it is massively costly.

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It's expensive to say Thank you.

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Yeah, because you're, it's having

to process that on the servers

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and then kick back like, oh,

you're so welcome for whatever.

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I don't care about some

Altman's pocketbook.

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If it gives me a better

answer I would do it.

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I'm just not sure.

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I've not noticed a difference when I was

saying thank you versus when I don't.

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Thank you for your input on that!

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You're very welcome.

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I appreciate that.

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All right, let's get into DBR

Matthew 17 and Mark chapter nine.

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Matthew 17.

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We've got the transfiguration.

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I talked about it yesterday.

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I think this is what Jesus meant

by some will not taste death until

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they see the kingdom of coming.

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Kingdom of God coming.

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So there's, I think there's two

realistic possibilities here.

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First would be the transfiguration,

and he's saying some, because he's

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only gonna take Peter, James and

John up on the mountain with him,

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and he's gonna be transfigured.

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He's gonna appear there

in his glorified state.

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We've talked about this already.

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He's gonna hear the voice from God.

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The father there approving him,

Moses and Elijah Peter, saying,

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let's stay here, and then they're

gonna come back down the mountain.

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So that's part the second

thing is he could be referring

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to his resurrected body.

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He could be referring to the resurrection

appearances that he'll make after that,

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and then his ascension into heaven.

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Some in this generation will see

the kingdom of God come either way.

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I think the gospel writers,

multiple of them, are intentional

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to place that statement right

before the Transfiguration, which.

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In my mind tells us that this is

probably what he had in mind is what

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happens here on the transfiguration.

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Agree, disagree.

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I would be inclined to agree with that.

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I've always seen it because of its

proximity to the last thing that he says.

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I have a hard time saying this

isn't what he has in mind.

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Yeah, I would agree.

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Yeah.

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There's a discrepancy here.

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Matthew says six days.

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Later.

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Mark is also gonna say six days

later, Luke says eight days later.

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And the reason Luke uses eight is

possibly because he's including the

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two days prior to this when Peter had

made his confession before and then

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the day of the transfiguration itself.

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So, we can get to the eight,

even though it's six in Matthew.

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In six in Mark.

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It's not necessarily a discrepancy.

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It could be just.

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What he's perceiving within this

group of days here in Matthew 17, nine

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through 13 we get a reference to Elijah

and Jesus is going to say that Elijah

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has indeed come, which is interesting

because when John the Baptist was

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asked, are you Elijah, John said, no.

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And yet Jesus is going

to say he was Elijah.

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And so Pastor Rod, how can John the

Bap be both Elijah and not Elijah?

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Not Elijah in his own mind,

but Elijah in Jesus' mind.

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It's possible.

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Two things are possible.

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Number one, it's possible.

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John understood the crowd is asking

a different question than the one

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Jesus is answering, and that the

crowd is saying, are you Elijah?

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Are you the guy?

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Are you the Elijah Reincarnate?

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And that John is answering that question

saying, no, I'm not, which he wasn't.

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She wasn't.

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That's true.

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Jesus can say, yes, John is Elijah.

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He is the Elijah that was foretold.

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He is the fulfillment of the

prophecies, what Jesus is saying.

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So I think Jesus could be answering

a question that maybe those who

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asked John that question were

not asking or it's, or that John

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was unaware that's a possibility.

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John was unaware that he was

fulfilling this function.

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That's harder for me to see

because it looks like he's aware.

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Yeah.

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Of the similarities.

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He's a man of the word.

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So it would be hard for

me . To not see the parallels,

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certainly everyone else did.

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So maybe he's unaware and Jesus

is aware, and obviously Jesus'

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word would be authoritative.

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Or he's answering a question

that the crowd was asking that

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Jesus is not answering here.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And I think John's humility

too plays into that.

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And the reason why he would've

deferred from answering that

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by saying, yes I'm Elijah.

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Which would kind of cross

over with both of those.

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But yeah, so Jesus says he is Elijah, and

so he's basically saying, you're waiting

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for Elijah to come and saying The Messiah

has to come only after Elijah has come.

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Well, hey, Elijah has come, and

here I am, here's the Messiah.

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In other words, after this is this

encounter with the demon possessed

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boy that the disciples couldn't heal.

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And Jesus is the one that can Jesus

here calls the generation twisted and

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perverse faithless and twisted here.

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Jesus' frustration with the faithlessness

and the immorality around him.

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It kind of comes to a head here

with this particular situation.

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And again, some of that is directed

at the disciples because they

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didn't have the faith to be able to.

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Go to the Lord and seek the

Lord's seek God's help in seeing

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this demon cast out of this boy.

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And again, Jesus is gonna say some can

only be cast out by faith or by prayer.

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And so Jesus is able to

heal him though heals this.

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You get another prediction of

the cross here in the gospel.

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Writers record that.

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Record these, although at the time

they didn't understand what he meant.

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Here.

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It says here in Matthew's account that

they were greatly distressed, and you

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can understand why he keeps talking

about this, but what does this mean

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and what is this gonna look like and

how can somebody go to the cross?

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They didn't know about the resurrection.

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They didn't know about

all that at this time.

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So yeah, that's why

they're greatly distressed.

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And then Matthew 17 wraps up with a

little bit of a flex move by Jesus

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because they're asked about that.

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The question is asked

about the temple tax.

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And so the, teacher said, or people

come up to Peter and said, does

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your teacher not pay the tax?

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And Jesus said, well, no, he does.

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And he comes to talk to Jesus.

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And Jesus asked, what do you think Simon?

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From whom do the kings of the earth

take a toll or tax from the sons?

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From their sons or from others?

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And Simon said from others,

Peter said from others, Jesus

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said, yeah, you're right.

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The sons are free.

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In other words, what he's

indicating there is that.

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He is the son of the king.

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He's the son of the father.

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And so he has no need to pay the tax.

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The tax is not for him, but for

those that are part of creation

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and yet he's gonna condescend

still to pay the tax nonetheless.

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So, little bit of a flex from Jesus,

but because it's not his hour yet,

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he's not gonna draw that the ire

the way that he could have by really

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trying to make a stink out of this.

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Well, and I think he also implies

that Peter's also one of the sons.

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Right.

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Which is also kind of cool because that

foreshadows the future relationship

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that Christ would secure by his death.

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Yeah.

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We are no longer just.

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Kids in the general sense.

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We are now Sons of the King,

which makes it really cool.

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Right, right.

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In Mark's gospel, mark chapter nine,

we have the transfiguration again.

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We have the demon possessed boy again.

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Jesus has the.

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Statement of his own unbelief here, where

he says, if you can and I, his interaction

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with the father the father is the hero

of the story here, where he's indicting

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the faithlessness of the disciples.

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The father says I

believe, help my unbelief.

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And Jesus then responds and heals the boy.

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And so the father comes saying, Hey,

if this is possible, and Jesus kind

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of confronts his own lack of faith,

saying, if you can, and the Father

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says, I believe, help my unbelief.

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And Jesus delivers his Son back to him.

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And again, another sweet

moment here between Jesus.

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Caring for this father and for

his son in restoring his son,

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and in casting this demon out.

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What do you make of the statement

at the end in verse 29 that says,

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this kind cannot be driven out by

anything but prayer in the last story.

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Being told in Matthew, it says, this

can only be driven out by faith.

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How do we put these pieces together?

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And what do you think he means by this?

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Is were they not praying

enough beforehand?

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Were they not praying when they

were casting the demon out?

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What do you think is the

sense of what's happening?

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Yeah, I think prayer is the

expression of our faith.

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And I think the, whether

the disciples were kind of.

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Crossing over into this thinking that

there were something special kind of

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motive behind this going, look at us.

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We've got the power to do this, so bring

them to us and we can cast them out.

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You don't need to go straight to Jesus.

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We can do this for him.

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Who knows what their

mentality may have been.

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I get that's reading between the lines

a little bit, but we do know that Jesus

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said you lack faith and you lack prayer.

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And without those two things operative

in a ministry, no ministry is gonna

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be effective in the eyes of God.

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And so here with this particular example

there, there's something where whether

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it's pride or just laziness or whatever.

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They were neglecting to express

their faith through the prayer to the

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father saying, Lord, we need you to do

this because you are the power here.

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It's not us, it's you.

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You've granted us the power

to be able to do this.

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This one's particularly hard.

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We need you to intervene

in a special way here.

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Such a great point.

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Because even though they did

have the authority granted by

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Jesus to do it, the authority.

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Seemed like it hit a stop or it got

pent up because they weren't praying.

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Yeah.

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And I think that can

happen to any one of us.

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We can be operating and doing what Jesus

calls us to do, but if we're not doing

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it through faith as an expression of

our dependence on him in prayer, then

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we're gonna find ourselves powerless.

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Running outta steam soon, perhaps.

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Yeah.

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Just like the disciples.

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Yeah.

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From here, we have another prediction

of the cross there and then the argument

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that takes place on the road there.

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As they came to Ke Capernaum, he

said, what were you discussing?

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What you arguing on the way?

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And they didn't want to tell him

because they were embarrassed, but

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then they basically own up to it

and they say, we were arguing about

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who was gonna be the greatest.

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And then Jesus makes the great statement.

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If anyone would be first, he must be

last of all, and he uses an object

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lesson, which for anybody that thinks

that there's no, no room for an object

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lesson in preaching or teaching you,

you've got a problem with Jesus here.

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'cause Jesus calls a child over to

him and puts him in front of them

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and says, Hey, hate theatrical.

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It is very theatrical.

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Stop.

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And he says, whoever receives one

such child in my name receives me.

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Whoever receives me receives

not me, but him who sent me.

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So he's saying, childlike faith here.

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Which I was talking to

somebody recently about this.

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We had baptisms this past

Sunday, and you know, we.

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We have this, we have a policy that,

that we don't baptize younger than middle

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school age as a church just by practice.

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And the reason being is we wanna

make sure that the faith is real.

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That the faith is truly in Christ

and not in the act of baptism.

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So it's not saying that

somebody can't be saved younger.

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We're not arguing that at all.

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There's no age limit to salvation.

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We just wanna be careful to say, we wanna

make sure that when they're baptized,

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their faith is fully in Christ and not

in the fact that Pastor PJ is baptizing

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me or somebody else is baptizing me.

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So we're careful to make

sure that's in place there.

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Now that's arbitrary.

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Other churches do it differently,

but I was talking to somebody

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about saving faith in children and

even the age of accountability.

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And I think there might be something

here too that saving faith can

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happen even at a younger age.

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Mm-hmm.

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Here.

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Yeah.

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And God expects less from them at

that age than he does of the one

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who's been exposed to more truth and

has had their mental faculties and

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sense of conviction and right and

wrong, develop more as they get older.

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So it may require more.

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In other words, for somebody to

repent and believe at the age of 16

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than it does for somebody who is at

the age of six to have saving faith.

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Mm-hmm.

531

I think the saving faith at the age of

six is possible because I think that

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we're talking about here childlike faith.

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I think the older that we get, the harder

it is for us to have childlike faith,

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because we have our minds are different.

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We've been influenced by a

lot of different sources.

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We have more access to different

voices in our lives as well.

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So there's something commendable

about this here that Jesus says.

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It's simple, childlike faith is enough.

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And so that that parent that says, okay,

my, my faith, my kid says they, they

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believe my kid says that they're saved.

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But I don't know because

they're seven years old.

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And how do you see a lot

of fruit in a 7-year-old?

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I think there's room that,

that kid could be saved.

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At seven years old and in the tragic

situations where the Lord takes a child,

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young, you know, 8, 9, 10 years old.

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I think there's room to say that that

simplicity of faith, that they may

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not have the, all the theology and

doctrine formulated, that they may

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not have been able to show a life of

full transformation and bearing fruit.

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I think there, there can still be

saving faith at that young age there.

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And I think this might

be an example of that.

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Absolutely.

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We would never say that a young

child could not have saving faith.

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I've spoken to people before that were

saved really young and they hold to that.

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John Piper, if I'm not mistaken,

says he was saved Yeah.

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At the tender age of

six or seven something.

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I like that.

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And I, he's not the only one I've

heard, I've had, I've a close

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friend who also would say he got

saved at a really young age too.

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He felt grief for his sins and

he put his trust in Jesus to

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the best that he understood it.

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And then he's been walking ever since.

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So we would never say that.

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We would still exercise wisdom

and caution and saying, we, we

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don't want to baptize too soon.

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And we wanna give time for fruit

and maturity to, to manifest.

566

But it isn't that he's talking

only about children here.

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He's actually talking about believers,

he's talking about Christians.

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And what he wants from Christians

is, as you said, childlike

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faith, not childish faith.

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Not ignorant faith, but childlike

that is dependent, trusting.

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There's a sense of intimacy in that

where you have a young child and a

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parent there's that kind of confidence

and that's what Jesus is calling us to.

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And so you have another sandwich

story here between those two.

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So you have Jesus commending

a child to the disciples and

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saying, look, you wanna be great.

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This is what it looks like.

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Become like a child.

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And then in verses 42 and following, he

says, look, if anyone causes one of these

579

little ones to sin, man, it's better

for you not to even deal with that.

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But between that, in verses 38 through 41.

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I'm wondering if Jesus is

communicating that the teacher or

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the one who is casting out the demon.

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In Jesus' name was another little one,

but not part of that band, which is also

584

fascinating to me because that means

that there was other people following

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Jesus maybe at a distance, right?

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And that he would say, yeah, they're my

people, but they're not following my band.

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That doesn't make sense to me.

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I'm not sure how I put that in my

mind, but it seems like because

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of that sandwich, the little ones.

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Little ones, it seems like

he's talking about that guy.

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Yeah.

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That guy's a little one as well.

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That's fair.

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And he has power to cast out demons.

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Isn't crazy.

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They didn't say he was

trying to, they said he was.

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Isn't that crazy?

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Yeah.

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That, that also gives me a bit of

a pause, like what was happening?

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Who was this guy and he was successful.

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I, man, this just, this opens

up so many questions for me.

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I don't even know where to begin.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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' cause Philippians, Paul, Hey Paul, there's

people preaching Christ and they're doing

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it to try to provoke you to jealousy.

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Yeah.

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It's like, hey, whatever their

motive, as long as Christ is

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being preached, let it go.

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If it's accurate, keep it going.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's, yeah.

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Puzzling.

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He's not an, he's not an apostle.

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He's a disciple.

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He's not an apostle though.

621

Right.

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That challenges me.

623

Right.

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Yeah, it does.

625

All right.

626

Yeah.

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Well, let's wrap up this episode.

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It's been a lengthier one, but we

appreciate you sticking with us.

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It's my fault asking double

speed US AI questions.

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Double speed us, put it into

AI and get a summary about us.

631

They could do that too.

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They could.

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Let's pray.

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Father we thank you that the

requisite is childlike faith,

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and I pray that you would even.

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Just cultivate more of that in us, that

dependency upon you, that, that trust

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in you no matter what, that we would not

be so clouded by education or clouded

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by our doctrine and our theology.

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Those things are all good, but Lord, that

they would not supplant our faith in you.

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That, that we would have a relational

faith, a trust, a love for you

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that like a child with his father.

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And so pray that you'd cultivate

more of that in us, and pray

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this in Jesus' name, amen.

644

Amen.

645

Keep in your bibles.

646

Tune in again tomorrow for another

edition of the Daily Bible Podcast.

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We'll see you.

648

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649

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652

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657

PJ: Yeah.

658

I would agree with

everything that you said