Bobsht returns to boost the podcast's average height. Laura accuses Xhafer of a years-long conspiracy. Xhafer notices some divine lighting choices. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 18: Islanded in a Stream of Stars.

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done

sci-fi watch cast hosted by two

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former strangers, now friends.

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We're currently watching

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I'm Jafare,

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Laura: I'm Laura

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Xhafer: and today we're joined by…

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BobSht: Bob's shit.

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Xhafer: Hey, Bob.

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Welcome back to the pod.

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BobSht: Thank you

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Xhafer: Good to have you.

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Laura: Yeah.

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you called this one pretty early too,

just like Kristen called her shot.

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Xhafer: Last episode, yeah

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Laura: yeah.

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So glad you made it

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BobSht: Yep.

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Uh, I'm sorry I missed that.

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The last one, what was

the name of the last one

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Laura: I don't remember.

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BobSht: be on.

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Xhafer: I don't remember.

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Laura: had to be season three, right?

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BobSht: Yeah, it

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Xhafer: I think it was towards the end.

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Oh, yeah.

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BobSht: Yeah

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Xhafer: Yeah, the boxing episode.

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BobSht: Ja.

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Laura: Which uncharacteristically I loved.

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I usually hate a boxing episode,

but I was like, "This is good.

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I like it."

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BobSht: Well, I'm sorry I missed that.

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My life imploded, but, um, there

was a cool behind-the-scenes story

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I was gonna share for that episode,

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Xhafer: We got time now

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BobSht: badly.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if you knew this or not, but

when they were reading the script, they

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were doing a script read for it, the early

draft for the script had Apollo beating

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the shit out of Helo in the fight night.

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And Tamo Pennickit is a very tall man.

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He's nearly

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Laura: Угу

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BobSht: he's reading the

script, and he's like, no.

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No, no, he's not."

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Laura: Just strains credulity a little bit

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BobSht: Yeah, just a little bit.

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He's like, "Yeah, no, Lee is

not knocking me out in a fight."

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And

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Laura: tall is Jamie Bamber?

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Have we looked this up?

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BobSht: Uh

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Xhafer: Is he in short king territory?

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Laura: any for googly, googly moogly here.

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Xhafer: Five nine

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BobSht: Yep.

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And uh, Tomo's over six foot.

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I'm six foot eight.

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I met him, and we're

nearly the same height.

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And he was just like, "Yeah, no,

not beating me in a fight," so

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Laura: Yeah, you're gonna have to

change some of this up a little bit.

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BobSht: Yeah, and the writers

looked at him and they're

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like, "Yeah, you're right."

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And then so they, then

they changed the script

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Xhafer: God, the average height of this

podcast is six foot four right now.

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Laura: Oh, beautiful.

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We picked the one form

where no one can tell.

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Xhafer: I know.

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I know we make jokes about it sometimes

about being statistically probably the

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tallest Battlestar Galactica podcast.

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So that's fun.

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That is a good story though.

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Uh, Yeah, I don't see Jamie Bamber

beating up Tahmoh Penikett at all.

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BobSht: No.

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I-

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Xhafer: No

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BobSht: not happening.

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So yeah.

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Xhafer: And he had a little

run as an action star for a

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minute in, like, B movies,

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BobSht: Yeah

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Xhafer: uh, Bamber

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BobSht: yeah, you should

see him in Titanic 666

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Xhafer: We had

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Laura: I think

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Xhafer: b-

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Laura: about this, haven't

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Xhafer: so before we settled on

the movie b- like, originally we

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were picking bad movies that the

actors were in for the movie breaks.

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We were gonna do Blade Runner

as, like, a, a joke to start, and

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then we were gonna do Titanic 666,

and there's a terrible one Mary

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McDonnell's in that we had picked out.

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There was a couple other

ones we had decided on.

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And then we had found the, like, the

director, like, before you, like,

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came on the show, they would send

the directors a gift basket, and in

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that gift basket they included three

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A Space Odyssey, and Black Hawk Down.

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And we're like, "Oh, okay.

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That's the visual language of the show.

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We should watch these movies

for our movie breaks."

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That's what we ended up doing.

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But before that was the plan.

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Titanic 666 was on the list.

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BobSht: I think you should still

do Titanic 666 'cause it's a hoot

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Xhafer: Duly noted

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Laura: I'm interested

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BobSht: if you do, I have

to be in that episode

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Xhafer: Okay.

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BobSht: that

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Xhafer: Noted.

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Noted.

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BobSht: Yeah

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Xhafer: Well, Laura, it

happened again, by the way.

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Bob watched both the broadcast

cut and the extended cut

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Laura: I, I made sure I had the extended

cut, I'm, I'm fairly certain, so

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Xhafer: Okay.

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I, m- mine was 63 minutes that I watched.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Yes

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BobSht: I was telling Joffer before we

started recording, I got the Blu-ray, so,

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Laura: Ah, does that just have the…

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Oh, it has both on it?

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BobSht: Ja

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Laura: cool.

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Okay

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BobSht: Yeah, the Blu-ray is

all the extended cut episodes,

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and so, it's worth getting.

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It's, it's nice to have

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Laura: That sounds like it, yeah.

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'Cause I, I've been watching on, you know,

just streaming stuff and, and on iTunes,

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so it was a little more work to get the

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BobSht: Yeah.

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Xhafer: All right

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BobSht: I just watched both before we

started recording, so it's all fresh in my

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Laura: Oh, good.

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BobSht: Yeah

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Xhafer: Fantastic.

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So, let's get into this episode.

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We've got Battlestar Galactica,

Season 4, Episode 18, " Islanded

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in a Stream of Stars."

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Man, I don't know why my brain doesn't

wanna say those words in that order.

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Laura: I was just thinking

it's a very JMS kind of title.

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Like,

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Xhafer: It is.

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Laura: kind of title.

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Xhafer: feels that way for sure.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: No, that's a good call-out.

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We open on a dream.

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We see Hera playing with the battle

planning models in CIC, and we get

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a brief glimpse of the opera house.

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We cut over to crews repairing the damage

Boomer did to the ship with her jump at

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the end of the last episode, and tensions

are running high between the rebel Cylons

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in part of the repair crew and the humans

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Laura: Yeah.

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A six and a crewman are kinda going

at it about who's doing a worse job.

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Xhafer: Yeah Over in the admiral's

room, the writers decide to roll

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a high six on the plot to try and

get the audience to buy in on any

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reason they can muster to set up one

big last space battle for this show

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Laura: The Colony, right?

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Is

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: to?

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Xhafer: The colony.

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They gotta go to the colony

and do this big attack.

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It's the Cylon's first colony

world from-- that was founded

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by the Centurions that had freed

themselves during the First Cylon War

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Laura: So I'm thinking the implication

of this is A, mostly Centurions, and

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B, because we see that they go to

where it was and it wasn't there.

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Like, it's, it's not exactly like a

planet, but it's more like a space

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vehicle of some sort or space thing

that can be moved, FTL jumped.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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so they talk about the reasons to go.

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There's Hera, there's the

magic music, all this stuff.

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And Lee, rightfully, is just incredulous.

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He's all like, "We're really gonna

risk the entire fleet for one kid?"

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: Sarbis clarifies, "You're

not risking the fleet for one kid.

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You are risking the fleet for its future."

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And Papadama turns around and

is all like, "Fuck destiny.

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Nah, brah."

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BobSht: Yep

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Laura: I am over it.

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Xhafer: Yep, I'm done with this shit.

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Laura: He's, he also says like, "I walk

around my ship every day wondering who's

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gonna shoot me next," like, because

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: bad.

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And, you know, Ellen seems to have…

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She seems to know where this colony is.

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That's the, the we're being told.

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And Saul's like, "Well,

just give me a recon bird.

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We'll go look for it

with just one raptor."

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And finally Adam is like, "Whatever.

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Fucking go, I guess."

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But nobody tells Hilo and Athena.

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Xhafer: Yeah if you take a

Raptor, they will know, so

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you gotta take a heavy raider.

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Which if you're going to look

for a fucking Cylon base, of

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course you take the heavy raider.

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BobSht: Yeah

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Xhafer: Duh.

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BobSht: blend in.

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Yeah

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Laura: Yeah, that's the way to do it

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Xhafer: We cut over, speaking of Helo and

Athena, we cut over to the two of them.

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Athena is crying and Helo tries to

get her to talk about it to no avail.

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Obviously very complicated feelings

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Laura: Very complicated feelings.

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he says, "You hate me," right?

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And she doesn't respond with

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: like, the appropriate response

is, "No, of course I don't hate you."

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anything else, not good.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: we talked about this last

time, but it's like there's something

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so difficult about these Cylons

for humans to tell apart, and I

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just feel kind of, of bad for Hilo.

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Like, it's, was never

his intention to wrong

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Xhafer: No

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Laura: and, n- not notice that

someone was getting Hera, but oops

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, obviously

the feelings here, I think on

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both sides are pretty legitimate,

but also it is such a impossible

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sci-fi situation that it's like,

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Laura: Like how do

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Xhafer: how, do I empathize with this?

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It's like, I guess if your, your

spouse had a twin, identical twin

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or something, and they had fool…

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Like, it's a real world-ish

analog, but honestly, that

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feels like a really shitty…

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god, what, what's, what was

the, the, the, the, the creepy

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porn dude, um, with the letters?

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Larry Flynn.

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It feels like a Hustler letter.

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That's what I was trying to find.

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Okay.

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BobSht: Yeah.

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Dear Penthouse.

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Xhafer: exact- thank you.

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Yes, that thing.

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Uh, We uh, we see Rosalyn and

Caprica Six both in the med lab

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having the opera house dream again

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Laura: Угу

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Xhafer: and everyone in the room working

is exposed to the violent decompression.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: and that Six that was having

that argument with the human saves that

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human's life, sacrificing herself to theme

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Laura: This is very sad

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Xhafer: Yes, it is.

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Laura: I've, I wondered here,

you know, you've told me

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about the count a few times.

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We're about

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: again.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: Uh, we're still not

counting Cylons in the count?

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Xhafer: 100%.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: proof of that in this next scene.

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So we get our survivor count,

39,521, which is down 35.

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The very next scene is Ty walking

around the halls with those killed and

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talking to Cottle, and Cottle was all

like, "61 were killed, including 26

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Laura: Mm.

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There, the math is

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Xhafer: 61 minus 26, 35 humans.

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Laura: Mm.

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Xhafer: Cylons still not counting

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Laura: It kind of feels like when

we have a grand sacrifice like that,

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like maybe we can, maybe we should

consider updating the numbers?

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Xhafer: Well, you would've had to have

like shot it up a couple of thousand

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BobSht: Yeah

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and that

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Xhafer: at some point

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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BobSht: that'd give you false optimism

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Xhafer: You could have done it

like four episodes ago when the

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Cylons accept military control in

exchange for the seat on the Quorum.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Ja

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Xhafer: like you could have like even

like had that scene, done the intro,

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and then fade, change, like change

survivors to like population or something.

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Gotten rid…

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'Cause it, does it say human survivors

or does it just say survivors?

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I think it just says survivors.

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BobSht: Just, survivors,

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Xhafer: so you could just say like

change survivors to like population

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and then add them and like show that

transition as part of the theme,

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Laura: You know

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Xhafer: you probably could've

made it work that way

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Laura: It could be really interesting

if you know, 'cause we had the

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survivor count from the theme,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: survivor count sometimes shown in

political situations on the whiteboard.

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And if the theme had not changed, but they

had, like, made some sort of update to

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Xhafer: On the whiteboard?

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Laura: that would be interesting to me.

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I don't know.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: Um, d- but we think there's a

couple thousand of them on the base ship.

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Is that what

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Xhafer: That would be my expectation.

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Between the ones that are currently

on the base ship and the ones that

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are doing stuff throughout the fleet.

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Laura: OK

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Xhafer: I mean, base ships are big

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Laura: Man, and so with,

it's three models, right?

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It's sixes, eights, and lead opens.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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Laura: It just thousands of

them running around of the same

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: person.

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That would be trippy.

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It'd be

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And this

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Laura: weird.

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Xhafer: this is close to the last

survivor count we're gonna get.

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Little spoilies.

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Laura: Okay

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Xhafer: get one next episode.

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We do not get one in Daybreak part two.

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Laura: Okay

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Xhafer: but depending on what cut

you watch Daybreak part three, if you

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have the one where it's cut into a

separate episode instead of the two-part

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finale, that does have a count in it

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Laura: Hmm.

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Okay

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Xhafer: And then there's also a, uh…

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I won't say anything else

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Maybe an appearance of a whiteboard

or something, one last one.

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There, there's, there's

something else that in the

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story that alludes to the number

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Laura: feels like

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Xhafer: the very end.

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Laura: another whiteboard, right?

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So we know where these, everyone winds up.

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Sure.

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Xhafer: Yeah so anyways the engineer

that was saved gives us a little

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bit more of a clock than Tyrell did.

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He said five or six jumps at

most before she falls apart

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Laura: 90% chance, which

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uh,

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BobSht: Yep.

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Laura: does not, he wants 100%

certainty of what's gonna happen

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Xhafer: Well, that's not how

this works, Saul, but sure.

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You'd think you would know

that, but be a cranky old man.

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That's fine.

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We know who you are

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Laura: He is the oldest man, as

is pointed out a couple of times.

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Xhafer: In this episode, yeah.

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BobSht: Yep

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Xhafer: Rosalyn overhears this and

comments that Bill is losing both

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her and the ship at the same time

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BobSht: Yeah

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He's all like, "No.

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No."

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Not losing either of them

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Laura: Yeah.

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I did wonder, like, if Hera was

here, I guess, the magic blurred was

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just, like, a infancy thing or a, a

fetal cells thing because, like, we

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would've tried that already, right?

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Xhafer: My…

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Yeah, I don't, I think they, they

must have hand-waved that at some

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point, the magic blood either no

longer being effective or Hera

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no longer having the magic blood

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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BobSht: Yeah,

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Laura: Right

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BobSht: that, I mean, they set

up earlier, it's like she doesn't

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live to see the Promised Land.

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And, you know,

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: of the…

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BobSht: aga- yeah, it's part

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Laura: Yeah,

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BobSht: that she doesn't live

to see the Promised Land.

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So if she got healthy all of a sudden,

they'd be like, "Well, nothing matters."

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Xhafer: Yeah, pithy is wrong.

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Great.

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BobSht: Yeah.

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Laura: Well,

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Xhafer: Uh

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Laura: I mean, Pythia was wrong, right?

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BobSht: Well

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Xhafer: I mean, that's the thing

about religious texts, Laura, they

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can be open to interpretation, I say.

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Laura: series that did that, yeah.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Um, so we cut over to the Quorum

of Fleet Captains here, and we

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recognize some of these folks as

the judges from Baltar's trial.

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Laura: mhm

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Xhafer: That's fun.

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And they are upset about losing

Galactica, rightfully so.

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It's a shitty situation.

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BobSht: Yep

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Xhafer: but they're more upset that the

base ship is the only alternative, but

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they really don't have anything else

that can launch a bunch of fighters.

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So I don't know.

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BobSht: No.

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Xhafer: They deal

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BobSht: with

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Laura: Yep.

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BobSht: that can shoot

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Xhafer: Yeah, right?

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Laura: Mm-hmm

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Xhafer: Sheila, the Cylon representative,

affirms that they will be taking orders

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from Adama, and this is when the captains

start calling dibs on parts of Galactica.

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Laura: yes.

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Xhafer: Lee's all like, "Not

until Dad says it's okay.

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You can't do this until

Dad says it's okay."

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BobSht: I don't blame him.

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I mean, yeah.

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I

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Laura: yeah

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Xhafer: not wrong

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BobSht: mean, th- here's the

thing about the Galactica.

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It's not over until the old man

gets into a Viper, claps his

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hands and says, "That's it."

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You know?

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Xhafer: Yeah

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BobSht: You know, it's like

Galactica, nothing's happening

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to Galactica until that happens.

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He'll clap, and the clapper will

shut all the lights off, and he'll

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shoot out the tube, and that's it.

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Xhafer: Yep

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BobSht: happens, Galactica's staying put

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Laura: Yeah.

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I, I love how demanding and entitled

these folks are, and that they're like,

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"Well, I get this and I get this."

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And it's like, how are you guys

gonna take it if the if the

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people in charge of engineering on

this ship aren't ready to do it?

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Like, you, you got nothing.

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You're not doing it.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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BobSht: Yep

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Laura: Come take it from my hands

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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the, we, we have a great cut here

where one of the captains is all like,

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"That's not what Gaius Baltar says."

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And then Lee's all like,

"Gaius fracking Baltar?"

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And then we cut right over to him.

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BobSht: in his voice when

he says, "Gaius Baltar?"

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: good

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BobSht: just like, "Don't…

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We do not mention-- We do not

say that man's name here."

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Laura: I c- I just wish that, you know,

I understand why we, we haven't had

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this, but if we could have had that

as a drop for every time Laura got

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mad at Gaius Baltar throughout this

whole podcast, and then Aaron just

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cuts in, "Gaius fracking Baltar," like,

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it's just, it's exactly how I feel, Lee.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for putting some

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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If, so if this had been a situation

w- like, with Babylon 5 where I

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had just finished the rewatch,

that would've happened 100%,

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because this would've been perfect.

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But uh, that's what happens when we're

both uh, I'm on a rewatch from 20

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years ago, and you're a first-timer.

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So

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: yeah, it's just been a long time.

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But we cut over to the Bang Bus, and

Gaius is like, "Prophets are bullshit.

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Anyone can hear God.

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You just need to listen to the

angels that are trying to help us.

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Angels take the guise of those around us."

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And then we cut to Kara Thrace so hard.

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It's so subtle, guys.

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I want you to know, it's the most

subtle hard cut to Kara Thrace.

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Laura: H- honestly, that we were on such

a close-up of a side profile I, I turned

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and asked my husband, "Who is that?"

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Like, I, I was not…

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I, I don't know if I have, like, weird

face blindness, but when you take

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people out of context or you give

them different hair or something and

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they're a totally new person to me.

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That, that side profile, I

was like, "Somebody's crying.

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Somebody's teared up."

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And we go back to Gaius saying that

he sees angels as he's staring at 6PT

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's talking about Six PT here.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: I, do wanna talk more

about her, but I think I wanna

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do it in a minute after we get a

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: but Paula's got a

busy schedule for Gaius.

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w- we've got lots of in- offers to

entertain for where we're gonna go when

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we leave Galactica, and we've gotta

give all these captains a, an interview.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: Uh, but apparently they're

just so good at food distribution

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now, everybody wants them around

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Xhafer: 6BT is all like, "Hey,

everything's coming up Gaius.

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How about that?"

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And as she says this, he sees Caprica

Six starting to leave the bang

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bus and he runs to go talk to her.

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6BT is like, "She's not the one."

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And he's all like, "She's the only one."

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Laura: Yeah.

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6BT is looking a little spurned

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Xhafer: Yeah, not particularly pleased.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Uh, Gaius offers uh, his

condolences on her loss, offers to help

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take care of her if she needs it, and

she's like, "I'm not joining your harem."

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Just like point blank, like, "Thank you."

510

6PT.

511

Uh, He tries to tell her that's not

his thing anymore, and then she's all

512

like, " I had the old dream, you know?

513

The problem is that you

haven't changed, but I have."

514

Laura: It was at this point

that I paused for a second,

515

Xhafer: Yeah

516

Laura: and I wondered, you

know, when, when we started

517

this whole thing Bob, we…

518

Every time a different head person

came up, they were some- We, we

519

named them after some LLM sort of,

520

Xhafer: Yeah.

521

BobSht: Okay

522

Laura: We had 6PT, and we had

Gracchus for Gaius, and yeah.

523

Uh, Claudiane for…

524

What was her name?

525

Adama's head person.

526

Oh.

527

Xhafer: Oh, his ex-wife?

528

Yeah.

529

Laura: Whatever her name was.

530

Um,

531

Xhafer: Yeah

532

Laura: of naming them

all after LLMs, right?

533

And I was like, "Has Jafer been playing

a long game with me this whole time?"

534

Because 6-

535

Xhafer: but continue onto

what this particular one is

536

Laura: the 6PT in head is just

very, like, i- i- like, like an LLM

537

biased towards what you wanna hear.

538

Like, it just takes the words you've

said and tries to say more words

539

like it that maybe you want, right?

540

I was like, is that what this projection

or whatever she is this whole time…"

541

we're wondering, like, is

she a real Cylon or not?

542

Is she just some sort of leftover program?

543

Or the projections seem to be, like,

what the Cylons want, you know?

544

We, we had Boomer in her little house.

545

Xhafer: Yeah

546

Laura: I know we've had other

projections, but the, that's

547

the most salient in my mind.

548

and it's just, like, a thing that

they want real bad, rather than what,

549

you know, what we want and what we

need are not always the same thing.

550

So I was

551

Xhafer: Угу

552

Laura: you been playing a long game

with me that, yes, these uh, little

553

head people are about LLM stuff,

where they just say what we want.

554

They just play to internally

what we're desiring."

555

So I don't know.

556

It was just like, "Okay,

557

Xhafer: Maybe.

558

Yeah, you'll find-- Or you won't.

559

Yeah.

560

You find out or you won't.

561

We'll talk about it later.

562

There's

563

Laura: if it, if it's a long game

that you were playing, like, bravo.

564

Xhafer: I will say there is some

stuff, especially like in the

565

first two seasons, that I say that

I have gotten yelled at about.

566

There, there's been some things

where I've said some things that m-

567

were, could be taken a, a different

way, and I have caught shit for it.

568

Laura: Hmm.

569

Xhafer: deserved it.

570

But, and you'll see all that when you

get into Spoiler Town in three weeks.

571

Laura: Yeah.

572

Xhafer: Right?

573

Are we just gonna run through

the recordings this weekend so

574

we can open up Spoiler Town?

575

Laura: I mean, I have

an intent to do my best.

576

Xhafer: Okay.

577

We'll, we will, we should

discuss the timing of that later.

578

Laura: Yes

579

Xhafer: and Eight asks Ty

to chill while she dies.

580

BobSht: Yeah

581

Xhafer: I don't know if you're

familiar enough with the song to

582

notice her last words are a line

from All Along the Watchtower

583

Laura: I am not familiar

enough to have caught that.

584

Xhafer: Yep.

585

Laura: Yeah, she just wanted

to meet Dad before she

586

Xhafer: Yeah.

587

Yeah,

588

Laura: kinda sad

589

Xhafer: it's kinda sad.

590

We cut over to the Raptor where

Hera is crying to Boomer to take

591

her home and take her to her mommy.

592

Laura: Mm-hmm.

593

Xhafer: It's uh, good that

Hera can tell the difference

594

Laura: Yeah.

595

I thought that was interesting too,

that like Hilo clearly couldn't,

596

Xhafer: Yeah.

597

Laura: but Hera does.

598

Hera, Hera

599

Xhafer: It's that Cylon bird

600

Laura: Mm-hmm.

601

And I don't know, I found this

very distressing, like the cries

602

Xhafer: Yeah

603

BobSht: one thing to say about Hilo

not being able to tell the difference,

604

Boomer put on a very bad performance

while they were going at it

605

Laura: Yeah, there were some hesitations

there that maybe weren't natural feeling.

606

I don't know

607

BobSht: Yeah,

608

Xhafer: mean

609

BobSht: the, moans didn't sound authentic.

610

I mean, it ju- she was just

playing it up because uh, just

611

trying to keep up appearances.

612

But

613

Xhafer: I mean, the crux of their

relationship is that Helo can't

614

tell the difference between Athena

and Boomer because they met when

615

Athena was trying to be Boomer.

616

BobSht: Yeah,

617

Laura: Ugh, good point.

618

Xhafer: It's

619

Laura: point.

620

Xhafer: Hilo can't tell.

621

That's the thing about

Hilo, he can't tell.

622

That's why he's in this situation

623

BobSht: but he's been with

Athena for a while now, and so,

624

Xhafer: He knew Boomer for years.

625

BobSht: but not sexually,

626

Xhafer: Fair

627

BobSht: you know, not intimately.

628

So it's like she would

know reactions to things

629

Xhafer: I mean

630

BobSht: and then all of a sudden she's

making all these different noises.

631

I would be like, "Oh, you're Boomer."

632

Xhafer: Um.

633

So,

634

BobSht: you're not my wife

635

Xhafer: The th-- I mean, especially those

two specifically, knowing that Athena was

636

like, at one point just a copy of Boomer.

637

BobSht: Yeah

638

Xhafer: So like, I don't know.

639

Like, I would like to

think that Hilo is like…

640

It's, it's not a slight against him.

641

It doesn't make him a bad person for

not being able to tell the difference.

642

Laura: He is himbo, yeah

643

Xhafer: He is himbo, and even if he wasn't

himbo, telling the difference between…

644

Like, Gaius has a hard time with

it, and he is the baseline we

645

have for smartest dude alive

646

BobSht: Yeah

647

it's

648

Laura: Yay

649

Xhafer: or not you wanna…

650

I mean, like, l- we could talk

about that for a while too.

651

Laura: Sure

652

Xhafer: But, just to, like, put it on a,

like, perspective, if Gaius has a hard

653

time and can barely do it sometimes,

what are we expecting from Hielo here?

654

Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah

655

BobSht: well yeah, I mean, the

thing with Guy and so it's like

656

he didn't even remember Kara.

657

It's like, come on

658

Xhafer: Yeah.

659

BobSht: It's like you've interacted

with like a total of six women

660

throughout this entire series,

and you don't remember Kara?

661

Laura: Mm, mm

662

Xhafer: So, Athena goes to visit Tyrol,

speaking of Athena's past and Boomer,

663

who's locked in the Cylon playpen now

664

BobSht: Yep.

665

That is not in the uh, original cut

666

Xhafer: This scene, that makes sense.

667

Athena grills Tyrol.

668

She's like, "I have Boomer's memories

from the, before the war," as part of

669

her impersonation in Season 1, as she

notes the irony of Boomer pretending

670

to be her now, like we just discussed.

671

Laura: Угу.

672

Xhafer: Athena says, "I know you didn't

know, and I know you turned yourself in

673

as soon as you knew what happened, and

I know I'm never gonna forgive you."

674

Laura: Yeah.

675

Xhafer: Yeah.

676

Laura: I, I thought it was

interesting that Tyrrell tried to

677

like, when she confronts him with

like, "I know about the house.

678

I know that that's what she used to

trick you," he, he just like tries to put

679

down the phone, and she's like, "Mm-mm.

680

I am not done talking to you.

681

You don't get to walk away from this, boy.

682

You got my daughter stolen,

you big, dumb idiot."

683

Xhafer: Yep

684

We go over to the Thai quarters

where Sol is looking for a bottle

685

to crawl into and can't find one.

686

Ellen wants him to focus on saving

their people, but he says his

687

people are the people of the ship

688

Laura: Yeah.

689

Interestingly, she's like, "I

don't drink when it's important."

690

Xhafer: Yeah

691

Laura: "Huh."

692

I, I, I believe her.

693

Like, she's been pretty

sober this episode.

694

Um

695

BobSht: She's been sober

since she came back

696

Laura: Yeah, I think

697

Xhafer: we saw her drink at one point.

698

BobSht: Yeah, but she

699

Xhafer: Yeah.

700

BobSht: to it.

701

She hasn't drunk, gotten

drunk like she did

702

Xhafer: Yes

703

BobSht: knew

704

Laura: And when she was, like, asking

about drinks, it wasn't totally clear to

705

me, like, when she was, like, looking for

alcohol, if that was her really looking

706

for alcohol or sort of, like, playing to,

like, "This is how you remember me, so,

707

Xhafer: yeah

708

Laura: I need to meet your

expectations, meet you where you're at."

709

but yeah, it's just, it, it, it

was a nice delineation of, like,

710

the whole time Ellen was the Ellen

we knew before she resurrected

711

nothing was important to her, like,

712

Xhafer: Yeah

713

Laura: lady, and now we have this

lady who has something to care about.

714

I don't know.

715

I kinda like it for her.

716

Xhafer: Yeah, it, I mean, it's

interesting range for the actress.

717

It gives her, Kate Vernon,

a lot of space to work with.

718

Laura: Mm-hmm

719

Xhafer: and, you know, she has

the full memories of their 2,000

720

years together that he doesn't,

721

Laura: Yeah

722

Xhafer: crushing to her.

723

Laura: Угу

724

Xhafer: like you just love

Bill Adama because you don't

725

fucking know better right now.

726

but, you know, she knows who he is.

727

she just wants him t-

728

Laura: together.

729

They

730

Xhafer: yeah, the

731

Laura: dream of ending the cycle of

war between the man and the machine,

732

but he doesn't know that, and so

his noble dream right now is to

733

Xhafer: Yeah.

734

Laura: care of people for Bill Adama until

some of them or him or Adama expires.

735

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

736

Laura: So

737

Xhafer: she's all like, he's like,

"Yeah, you failed at that dream.

738

We failed at that dream."

739

And she's like, "Yeah, but we have

another chance now through Harrow.

740

We have an opportunity that's new

741

Laura: Yeah, we have that

and we're not dead yet.

742

We haven't

743

Xhafer: Yeah.

744

Laura: it until we're dead.

745

Xhafer: Yeah.

746

Boomer in the Raptor goes into the

mindscape and Hera is able to join

747

her there, much to her surprise

748

BobSht: I know that this

is all in their head

749

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

750

BobSht: moving through the through

Boomer's cabin, but my funny

751

thought is it, it's just them just

crawling around inside the raptor

752

Laura: opening cabinets.

753

Xhafer: Yeah.

754

BobSht: in the raptor and just crawling.

755

And when Hera's jumping on the bed

in the, in the, in the kids' bedroom,

756

it's her jumping in the pilot's seat

757

Laura: Mm-hmm.

758

She does get her to eat

something finally because

759

Xhafer: Yeah

760

Laura: before she shows her the

cabin, she's like trying to get

761

her to eat a protein bar and she's

refusing, and then once she's in the

762

house she's like, "Oh yeah, okay.

763

Xhafer: I'll have a cupcake

764

Laura: Yeah

765

Xhafer: We cut over to Gaius

who's shaving and Starbuck who

766

is using a stall with no door.

767

Laura: Mm-hmm.

768

Mm.

769

But you, but if you taking a shit in

the stall with the no busted door,

770

like, you're doing it on purpose, right?

771

You're, like,

772

Xhafer: Oh, yeah.

773

BobSht: yeah

774

Xhafer: For sure.

775

BobSht: I can just imagine her coming

in and seeing Baltar shavings like,

776

"Well, I'm gonna take a shit with

the door open, and then I'm gonna

777

talk to him when the time is right."

778

Laura: Mm-hmm.

779

Yeah, it beg, it begs the

question, who was there first?

780

BobSht: Yeah

781

Laura: did he just walk in and

not clock somebody taking a

782

shit in the stall with no door?

783

Or did she walk in and do this?

784

Xhafer: Were the other stalls available?

785

I have to imagine they were and this

was an active choice Starbuck made.

786

Laura: Yeah.

787

No, Starbuck always goes

to this stall, I think.

788

Xhafer: Yeah.

789

Mm-hmm.

790

She asks him to figure out what she is

because Rob Zombie isn't a real answer.

791

Laura: Yeah, she tells

him the whole thing.

792

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

793

Laura: my dead corpse.

794

She's like, bust out the Cylon detector

or whatever, and I was like, did

795

that, was that a, did that function?

796

Was that real?

797

Or I

798

Xhafer: It did.

799

It did.

800

It correctly identified Boomer

as a Cylon in season one

801

Laura: Okay.

802

There was so much, like, bullshit

around the Cylon detector

803

that I legitimately could not

804

Xhafer: So it worked at first, and

then he programmed it to always say

805

positives so that he wouldn't have

to live with the knowledge of knowing

806

Laura: That's right.

807

But

808

Xhafer: Yeah

809

Laura: Starbuck doesn't know then, 'cause

it was a, he kept it secret about Boomer

810

Xhafer: Yeah.

811

Laura: and the Cylon detector

812

Xhafer: No one knows the Cylon detector

worked but was also rigged to not work

813

Laura: Yeah.

814

So I, I, I would, if I was a person aboard

Galactica, I, under those circumstances,

815

I would've just assumed it never worked.

816

It never panned out.

817

So why does Starbuck beas like…

818

she's just joking.

819

Maybe she's being sarcastic.

820

That's a very Starbuck

821

Xhafer: Cara?

822

yeah, she's just like, "I know

I'm a lot of things, but I

823

know I'm not a fucking angel."

824

And then she walks out of the room and

is immediately illuminated like a fucking

825

stained glass portrait of an angel.

826

Laura: Yes.

827

Xhafer: I wanna call out at this point

because we've, in the scene before

828

we had, saw some really interesting

lighting with Ellen and Ty talking too.

829

Did Juchuchu direct this episode?

830

Laura: I, did not

831

BobSht: They were James Olmos.

832

Xhafer: Sure was

833

Laura: Oh.

834

Good job, Eddie.

835

Xhafer: Yeah.

836

And this scene where Kara's

illuminated like an angel walking

837

forward, walking forward, and then

walks into the room where Sam is and

838

it's all red and devil-like 'cause

it just casts the light completely

839

differently and it's all hellish

840

Laura: Are, are hybrids the devil?

841

uh

842

Xhafer: I mean, it's y- when you're saying

you're an angel and you're illuminated

843

and then you cast a red dark light

on everything, you're making a very

844

obvious allegory, which I'm here for.

845

It was a great scene and

a great great transition

846

Laura: Yeah

847

Xhafer: Kara's talking to Anders.

848

He is fully hybriated out

now, and she wants Sam back.

849

And when she's like, "I'm gonna

remember you as the ideal version

850

of yourself who never actually

existed," and then pulls a gun on him

851

Laura: But that's how you turn

on a hybrid apparently sometimes

852

Xhafer: yeah.

853

We've seen it,

854

Laura: life.

855

Xhafer: I think we've seen this more

than once now, where hybrids react

856

to this kind of external stimulus.

857

Laura: true, yes.

858

Mm-hmm

859

Xhafer: And he goes full hybrid,

the ship's going all wonky, lights

860

are flashing, it's weird, there's

power outages, and he says a bunch

861

of stuff, including reminding her

that she is the harbinger of death.

862

Laura: Mm-hmm.

863

Yeah

864

Xhafer: when he blinks, the lights flash

And then the Cylons reveal to us as they

865

come back in that Anders is controlling

the ship through accidental networking.

866

Painting galactic…

867

Yep, the, the goo is conductive and has

allowed Anders to accidentally control

868

the entire ship, including the FTL

869

Laura: Chekhov's goo finally went off.

870

BobSht: theoretically the FTL

871

Xhafer: Oh, yeah, yeah.

872

Theoretically, sorry.

873

Laura: Right.

874

Not for sure.

875

We don't see that yet.

876

Xhafer: yeah, that's definitely not the

first thing that happens next episode.

877

Don't worry about it.

878

Um,

879

Ty is pissed, so they take Sam off

of the ship's system so that he

880

can't jump them, which puts him

back into a little comatose state

881

Laura: Yeah.

882

Unplugged, but it's not like a

life-threatening unplugged, just like a

883

Xhafer: Yeah

884

Laura: can't talk right now

885

Xhafer: Yeah.

886

Uh, Adama is reading his

favorite book to Rosalyn.

887

She has him open to a page later

in the book where she is hidden

888

a jay of that new Kamprica dank

889

Laura: Mm-hmm.

890

Xhafer: Yeah.

891

Laura: We're-

892

BobSht: fun scene

893

Laura: I love the way that,

that Adama pulls the curtain.

894

Like,

895

BobSht: He's

896

Laura: it's

897

BobSht: we're doing this."

898

Laura: just very cute and

subtle, and it's like, "Mom

899

BobSht: the

900

Laura: and Dad."

901

BobSht: cut has one line cut.

902

She's looking at him in his dress uniform

and uh, it's not in the broadcast cut,

903

but she just tells him, "You look spiffy."

904

Laura: Mm.

905

Xhafer: Yeah.

906

BobSht: In his

907

Xhafer: Cut for time.

908

BobSht: Yeah

909

Laura: How dare you cut my,

my moments with Mom and Dad?

910

How dare

911

BobSht: I mean,

912

Xhafer: Rude

913

BobSht: think back to season two

and you can pinpoint the exact

914

moment he falls in love with her

915

Laura: Угу

916

BobSht: it's the moment where she's

uh, not feeling good on Colonial 1.

917

He's visiting her on Colonial 1,

918

Laura: Угу

919

BobSht: and you could just see something

change in his eyes when he's looking

920

at her, and it's like that's the

exact moment he fell in love with her.

921

And yeah, so I always I love

922

Xhafer: Oh, God, this show's so good.

923

BobSht: Yep

924

Xhafer: Um, so they uh, they smoke

down, they talk about the cabin, they

925

talk about what home actually is.

926

Laura: Угу

927

Xhafer: then she's all like,

"You better hurry up and stay the

928

course and get us off this ship.

929

we gotta, we gotta find a planet soon.

930

This is-- We can't do this."

931

Laura: Yep.

932

You don't

933

Xhafer: And then we

934

Laura: both at once.

935

You can't have us both on this ship.

936

Xhafer: Yep.

937

Helo and Kara, we cut over to

them, they're getting loaded.

938

And yeah

939

BobSht: is not in the broadcast cut

940

Laura: Yeah, I could see that.

941

Like, it's

942

Xhafer: Угу

943

Laura: necessary to the plot.

944

It is kinda good to see Starbuck get,

like, slapped a little bit for being

945

Xhafer: M-

946

Laura: a character who doesn't

947

Xhafer: yeah

948

Laura: to hear your shit.

949

BobSht: But it does, set up how is

behaving when he next sees Adama

950

Xhafer: Yes.

951

Laura: Mm-hmm.

952

Yeah,

953

Xhafer: Yeah, because

we know he's drunk now.

954

BobSht: yeah.

955

And he, and then the broadcast cut.

956

think maybe he was drinking, but you don't

know for sure because that was cut out.

957

So,

958

Laura: yeah.

959

Mm-hmm

960

BobSht: yeah

961

Xhafer: Yeah, Kara brings up a

point where it's all like, "Okay,

962

so I'm still the Harbinger of Death?

963

I thought leading them to ruined

Earth was what that meant.

964

That doesn't mean that?

965

There's something else?

966

Fuck."

967

And Halo's just all like, "I don't

fucking care about your problems, Kara.

968

I've got my own shit right now,

and you're being a bad friend

969

Laura: Yeah Uh, Helu is not wrong.

970

Xhafer: I would go as far as

say his helo is very correct.

971

Laura: yeah

972

Yeah

973

BobSht: Although devil's advocate, it's

like they both got their own shit going

974

on, and Kara's trying to lean on him,

he's trying to lean on her, but they're

975

both leaning in different directions right

976

Laura: Yeah.

977

Xhafer: Yeah.

978

Laura: real.

979

Like, neither of them is really

listening to the other and yeah.

980

BobSht: No

981

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

982

Laura: Starbuck is listening to these

fools sitting their ass on the piano

983

and does yell at them before the scene

is over to get away from her piano.

984

That's fun

985

Xhafer: Baltar pulls blood from Kara's

dog tags and he does a science as

986

the scouting mission reports back

that the Cylon colony world has moved

987

Laura: Oop

988

Xhafer: Boomer tells Hera she can

make things in the Mind Palace

989

and she makes a cupcake so that

she actually eats something.

990

Laura: Угу

991

Xhafer: the scene with Hilo, who

is drunk as fuck with the dad

992

role on his way to the funeral,

asking to go on this recon mission.

993

He's all like, "We already did that.

994

I'm not sending you on a suicide mission."

995

Laura: Yeah, but Hilo really

tries to convince him the

996

merits of suicide mission.

997

He, even though Adama

does the thing of like…

998

I, I think we have like three

times he asks, and on the final

999

time Adama just walks away.

00:40:40,534 --> 00:40:41,004

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

00:40:41,057 --> 00:40:43,087

Laura: Adama's like,

"You are in a military.

00:40:43,087 --> 00:40:44,017

We have authority.

00:40:44,017 --> 00:40:45,047

You have to listen to me."

00:40:45,047 --> 00:40:46,837

And Hilo keeps begging.

00:40:46,857 --> 00:40:49,357

And so we're just gonna go to the funeral

00:40:50,014 --> 00:40:50,364

Xhafer: Yep.

00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,150

BobSht: but he does grab his

shoulder before he leaves.

00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:54,180

So I mean,

00:40:54,555 --> 00:40:54,975

Laura: Sure, yeah.

00:40:55,145 --> 00:40:55,415

Sure

00:40:55,544 --> 00:41:00,400

Xhafer: Yeah we go over to that

funeral and we have three different

00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,040

ceremonies that take place.

00:41:02,610 --> 00:41:06,060

There's the military service,

there is the Cylon service, and

00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:12,270

then there is the Baltar-led

monotheistic service that all happen.

00:41:12,926 --> 00:41:14,533

and then uh, after…

00:41:14,563 --> 00:41:16,083

The last one is the military one.

00:41:16,083 --> 00:41:20,463

Adama orders, you know, "Okay, do the

thing with the airlock," or whatever.

00:41:21,033 --> 00:41:26,723

But Baltar jumps up and starts preaching

about the afterlife and life eternal

00:41:26,723 --> 00:41:31,653

and resurrection, and then is all

like, "Kara, you're like Jesus, right?"

00:41:31,983 --> 00:41:34,733

And she just comes up and

just slaps the shit out of him

00:41:35,022 --> 00:41:37,002

Laura: It's very satisfying, yes.

00:41:37,029 --> 00:41:38,319

Xhafer: Quite satisfying, yeah

00:41:38,835 --> 00:41:41,425

Laura: I don't know what we're

accomplishing here by yelling

00:41:41,435 --> 00:41:46,161

about the afterlife and that one

of us has gone over and come back.

00:41:46,221 --> 00:41:47,911

She's definitely a human.

00:41:48,362 --> 00:41:52,992

yeah, so I guess he must have run her

through the Cylon detector, right?

00:41:53,012 --> 00:41:53,352

The,

00:41:53,703 --> 00:41:54,213

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:41:55,293 --> 00:41:56,763

Or he forgot that he rigged it.

00:41:58,142 --> 00:41:58,682

Laura: Yeah.

00:41:58,942 --> 00:42:01,682

Well, that, that was one thing

I was seriously thinking.

00:42:01,682 --> 00:42:05,512

I was like, you know, if it's anything

like me coming back to my code after, you

00:42:05,512 --> 00:42:08,432

know, a couple months, I'm like, "I don't

know what the fuck this does anymore."

00:42:09,139 --> 00:42:09,769

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:42:10,859 --> 00:42:12,449

You gotta finish it while it's fresh.

00:42:13,032 --> 00:42:13,552

Laura: Yep

00:42:13,607 --> 00:42:16,387

BobSht: the question is

how'd he get into a lab?

00:42:17,111 --> 00:42:20,331

I would assume his, uh, security

clearance has been revoked at this point,

00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,600

Laura: Oh, yeah

00:42:21,711 --> 00:42:23,421

BobSht: he wouldn't have lab access.

00:42:23,461 --> 00:42:25,741

So he get the lab equipment?

00:42:26,195 --> 00:42:29,725

Xhafer: also the Cylon detector needed

a nuclear warhead to work, and he

00:42:29,735 --> 00:42:32,735

gave that up at the end of season two,

00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:33,450

Laura: warhead.

00:42:33,515 --> 00:42:34,155

Xhafer: so it…

00:42:34,610 --> 00:42:34,780

Laura: it.

00:42:34,780 --> 00:42:35,100

There was,

00:42:35,225 --> 00:42:35,585

Xhafer: Oh.

00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,480

Laura: not need that.

00:42:37,065 --> 00:42:38,855

Xhafer: Oh, that's entirely possible.

00:42:39,095 --> 00:42:39,575

Yeah.

00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:40,500

Laura: warhead, yeah.

00:42:41,525 --> 00:42:41,925

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:42:43,335 --> 00:42:45,695

We see, get shots of

everyone after the funeral.

00:42:45,695 --> 00:42:47,645

They're cleaning up or repairing the ship.

00:42:48,315 --> 00:42:53,935

Adama takes his admiral's pips off as

the ship is creaking, and he goes to

00:42:53,935 --> 00:42:57,225

his quarters and goes around the corner

to a part of it that's been damaged,

00:42:57,225 --> 00:43:00,845

where he saw the crack a couple episodes

ago that started this whole thing,

00:43:01,427 --> 00:43:01,547

Laura: Угу.

00:43:01,931 --> 00:43:02,101

BobSht: Well, you,

00:43:02,115 --> 00:43:02,205

Xhafer: and-

00:43:02,331 --> 00:43:04,341

BobSht: you missed the

part from the extended cut.

00:43:04,926 --> 00:43:05,566

Xhafer: Oh, what a mess

00:43:05,771 --> 00:43:08,750

BobSht: He goes to see Laura

first, and she's sleeping.

00:43:09,127 --> 00:43:09,777

Laura: Oh yeah, he was

00:43:09,822 --> 00:43:10,832

Xhafer: Oh, yes.

00:43:11,022 --> 00:43:11,442

Yeah.

00:43:11,647 --> 00:43:12,657

Laura: she is asleep

00:43:12,750 --> 00:43:14,090

BobSht: And he's gonna

go read to her, yeah,

00:43:14,192 --> 00:43:14,542

Xhafer: Yeah

00:43:15,445 --> 00:43:17,575

Laura: Yeah, so I might

as well paint my wall, I

00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:18,320

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:43:18,460 --> 00:43:18,820

BobSht: Yeah

00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,500

Xhafer: So he starts throwing paint.

00:43:21,500 --> 00:43:27,220

He try, he's like, starts to paint very

sloppily and then just starts weeping

00:43:27,835 --> 00:43:28,635

Laura: Yeah

00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:29,200

BobSht: I don't blame them.

00:43:29,580 --> 00:43:29,830

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:31,010

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:43:31,010 --> 00:43:31,790

Totally justified

00:43:32,149 --> 00:43:36,599

Laura: It definitely very reminiscent

of the shower scene where he's,

00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,389

like, falling down in the shower

and Lee's, like, holding him after

00:43:40,389 --> 00:43:42,999

he finds out about Saul, right?

00:43:43,452 --> 00:43:43,922

BobSht: Yeah.

00:43:45,494 --> 00:43:50,174

Xhafer: I mean, Eddie almost wanted a

good crying scene, so he gave himself one

00:43:52,566 --> 00:43:55,566

Lee catches Kara at the

Wall of Remembrance.

00:43:56,216 --> 00:43:59,350

He doesn't care about the

mystical, she is still his friend.

00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,460

And that's enough for him.

00:44:02,030 --> 00:44:04,770

We see that she's looking

at the picture of Cat.

00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,050

Although if you catch real quick, you

can see that Dee's right there too

00:44:08,887 --> 00:44:10,177

Laura: Mm, yeah

00:44:10,362 --> 00:44:15,701

Xhafer: And then she puts her own photo

next to Kat on the Wall of Remembrance

00:44:16,097 --> 00:44:20,507

BobSht: there's a, in the extended cut

after the funeral, she's uh, going through

00:44:20,507 --> 00:44:24,467

the halls of the ship and she's having a

little bit of an anxiety attack because

00:44:24,629 --> 00:44:25,929

Laura: Угу

00:44:26,153 --> 00:44:26,523

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:44:27,217 --> 00:44:29,677

BobSht: she goes to the officer's

quarters and she's taking her uniform

00:44:29,677 --> 00:44:33,817

off, and she gets that picture of

herself out of her locker before

00:44:33,817 --> 00:44:35,447

she goes to the remembrance wall

00:44:35,664 --> 00:44:39,514

Laura: she's like making a decision

to accept what happened, I guess,

00:44:39,514 --> 00:44:46,634

and that I think I'm really alive

or I did die, but I am really alive.

00:44:47,484 --> 00:44:48,254

don't know.

00:44:48,937 --> 00:44:54,042

Xhafer: Yeah Uh, Bill tells Ty

it's time to stop fighting the

00:44:54,072 --> 00:44:56,332

futility of trying to save the ship.

00:44:57,032 --> 00:45:00,832

We need to strip it for

parts, offload the civvies.

00:45:01,442 --> 00:45:03,342

Galactica's time has come to an end.

00:45:04,252 --> 00:45:06,902

He wants all crew transferred

out by the end of the week.

00:45:07,699 --> 00:45:12,539

And then he tells Saul what he told Helo

when Saul fights against this, "You need

00:45:12,539 --> 00:45:15,139

to learn to move on at a certain point."

00:45:15,639 --> 00:45:17,909

Now, when he said it to Helo,

it was way too fucking early,

00:45:18,259 --> 00:45:20,969

'cause it's been, like, 15 minutes

since his daughter was kidnapped.

00:45:22,069 --> 00:45:24,119

Saul, this rings a bit more true

00:45:24,434 --> 00:45:29,412

BobSht: yeah, there's a extended bit that

that's not in the uh, the broadcast cut.

00:45:29,854 --> 00:45:30,194

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

00:45:30,602 --> 00:45:33,802

BobSht: Uh, Saul tells him, he's

like, "Yeah, I'm 2,000 years old

00:45:33,802 --> 00:45:35,082

and I still got all my teeth."

00:45:35,265 --> 00:45:35,965

Laura: Yes.

00:45:36,112 --> 00:45:36,642

Xhafer: I saw that.

00:45:36,652 --> 00:45:36,672

Yeah

00:45:36,835 --> 00:45:37,785

Laura: the big smile.

00:45:38,045 --> 00:45:40,985

And I was like, "I would've been

too self-conscious as an actor

00:45:40,985 --> 00:45:45,995

to show you all my teeth in

such a, a close-up sort of way."

00:45:46,804 --> 00:45:47,244

Xhafer: Yeah

00:45:48,157 --> 00:45:50,602

BobSht: you know, and then uh, Bill

tells them while they're having

00:45:50,612 --> 00:45:54,052

that conversation, it's like, "You

don't need to be the XO right now."

00:45:54,836 --> 00:45:55,336

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:45:55,742 --> 00:45:57,532

BobSht: It's like, "You

know we have to do this."

00:45:57,612 --> 00:46:02,632

And just sit down, they're like,

"Ugh," like two old men, and

00:46:02,632 --> 00:46:04,212

they're just like, "To Galactica."

00:46:04,392 --> 00:46:04,782

And they

00:46:04,844 --> 00:46:06,424

Laura: Угу

00:46:06,842 --> 00:46:08,182

BobSht: off into the middle distance

00:46:08,935 --> 00:46:09,855

Laura: I almost

00:46:09,896 --> 00:46:13,056

Xhafer: Pan flute plays

the end of the episode.

00:46:13,275 --> 00:46:14,395

Laura: I was like, "Is

00:46:14,466 --> 00:46:15,916

Xhafer: It felt like

the end of the episode

00:46:15,925 --> 00:46:16,665

Laura: we're gonna cut it?"

00:46:16,685 --> 00:46:17,845

But no, it's not

00:46:18,325 --> 00:46:22,915

Xhafer: Nope, because we cut over

to Boomer arriving and taking Hera

00:46:22,995 --> 00:46:28,023

to Cavill Uh, we see people being

ferried off Galactica as Adama and Tigh

00:46:28,023 --> 00:46:31,261

watch on And then Kara talks to Sam.

00:46:31,781 --> 00:46:34,611

She notes that they've both been

resurrected in their own ways.

00:46:35,401 --> 00:46:39,691

She talks about the song and how

she's gonna sit here with him and

00:46:39,691 --> 00:46:42,341

talk it out as she plugs him back in

00:46:42,913 --> 00:46:43,633

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:44,225 --> 00:46:51,705

The saddest part of this for me

actually was, like, when Hera is

00:46:51,705 --> 00:46:54,725

being handed over to Cavil and

00:46:54,749 --> 00:46:56,010

Xhafer: Угу

00:46:56,115 --> 00:46:58,755

Laura: her first words in this

episode were crying for Mommy,

00:46:58,765 --> 00:47:00,295

now she's crying for Boomer.

00:47:01,175 --> 00:47:06,815

And I just was like, "I- just

don't give her to, to that man."

00:47:07,525 --> 00:47:08,695

That man is bad.

00:47:08,745 --> 00:47:10,305

Everything about him is bad.

00:47:11,211 --> 00:47:11,581

Xhafer: Yeah

00:47:13,218 --> 00:47:15,808

Laura: But yeah.

00:47:15,888 --> 00:47:16,048

I'm

00:47:16,195 --> 00:47:16,695

Xhafer: Yep

00:47:16,778 --> 00:47:17,498

Laura: for Galactica.

00:47:17,608 --> 00:47:19,648

I'm more s- scared for Hera.

00:47:19,678 --> 00:47:21,328

I want that to be okay

00:47:21,671 --> 00:47:22,151

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:22,541 --> 00:47:25,951

He like puts her in an empty room

and is all like, "Don't worry,

00:47:25,951 --> 00:47:27,411

you're gonna have friends soon."

00:47:28,112 --> 00:47:28,802

Laura: Yeah, it's

00:47:29,111 --> 00:47:29,601

BobSht: Yeah

00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,339

Xhafer: It's super creepy

00:47:32,810 --> 00:47:34,240

Laura: creepy and gross.

00:47:34,996 --> 00:47:36,726

Xhafer: And that's the episode.

00:47:38,186 --> 00:47:41,586

So, on a scale of one to 12

colonies, Bob, as our guest, you

00:47:41,586 --> 00:47:42,936

get to give this first rating

00:47:43,785 --> 00:47:47,355

BobSht: Well, it leads

into the spectacular series

00:47:47,355 --> 00:47:50,955

finale, so gotta give it a 9.5

00:47:51,703 --> 00:47:52,033

Xhafer: Okay

00:47:52,308 --> 00:47:52,698

Laura: Okay.

00:47:53,465 --> 00:47:54,665

BobSht: Oh, out of 12?

00:47:54,871 --> 00:47:55,431

Xhafer: Out of 12.

00:47:55,551 --> 00:47:55,861

Yeah.

00:47:55,875 --> 00:47:56,185

BobSht: Yeah,

00:47:56,261 --> 00:47:57,491

Xhafer: Our s- our scales are weird.

00:47:57,861 --> 00:48:01,241

We, we refuse to use a normal scale here.

00:48:01,465 --> 00:48:03,715

BobSht: then 11.5.

00:48:03,751 --> 00:48:04,231

Xhafer: All right.

00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:04,930

Laura: All right.

00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:06,260

Yeah.

00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:09,856

Uh, there's a lot being set up here.

00:48:09,856 --> 00:48:10,110

I'm…

00:48:10,110 --> 00:48:15,510

I guess I kind of expected it

to be even more dramatic, so the

00:48:15,510 --> 00:48:20,420

fact that it wasn't makes me very

worried for the next episodes.

00:48:20,669 --> 00:48:21,089

Xhafer: You should be

00:48:21,793 --> 00:48:22,113

BobSht: Ja

00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,250

Laura: Um, I, I don't know, it's, it's one

of those things, it kinda is bittersweet.

00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:33,930

It kinda hurts a lot, um, there's

important things need to see resolved.

00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:36,690

So don't know, I may…

00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:42,060

I've gotta give this one, like,

a 10 'cause, you know, it's,

00:48:42,070 --> 00:48:45,870

it's setting some things up very

beautifully, and there's a lot of

00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:47,970

touching moments, but I, I need more.

00:48:47,980 --> 00:48:49,110

You gotta give me more.

00:48:49,140 --> 00:48:50,160

I've gotta know what…

00:48:51,271 --> 00:48:53,331

Xhafer: You got about two

and a half hours or more,

00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:54,130

Laura: Okay.

00:48:54,817 --> 00:48:55,377

Xhafer: uh

00:48:55,536 --> 00:48:55,886

Laura: 'Em.

00:48:56,236 --> 00:48:57,276

Bring me the answers

00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:02,890

' Xhafer: Cause we, the, this last the,

the two-parter, three-parter Daybreak

00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,450

part one, Daybreak part two together have

a runtime of two hours and 33 minutes.

00:49:07,459 --> 00:49:07,879

Laura: Okay.

00:49:07,979 --> 00:49:08,349

Okay

00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,340

Xhafer: you got, you got more coming

00:49:10,979 --> 00:49:11,349

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:49:12,169 --> 00:49:15,539

I have a feeling though, there's so

many things I feel like are unanswered.

00:49:16,329 --> 00:49:19,469

I'm like, some of these are just

gonna stay unanswered, aren't they?

00:49:20,382 --> 00:49:21,872

Xhafer: things stay unanswered.

00:49:22,272 --> 00:49:22,982

That is…

00:49:23,992 --> 00:49:24,142

BobSht: But

00:49:24,282 --> 00:49:24,632

Xhafer: And,

00:49:24,722 --> 00:49:25,572

BobSht: do get answered.

00:49:25,882 --> 00:49:31,292

Xhafer: even still unanswered to the

point where someone at STLV a couple

00:49:31,292 --> 00:49:33,472

weekends ago was like, "Hey, this thing."

00:49:33,712 --> 00:49:37,082

He's all like, "Isn't it great that we're

still talking about it 20 years later?"

00:49:40,392 --> 00:49:42,552

Sometimes it's more fun to

have the question than the

00:49:42,552 --> 00:49:44,462

answer, and just left it at that

00:49:44,945 --> 00:49:45,455

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:45,525 --> 00:49:49,805

Which I get it, you know,

that's a very valid answer.

00:49:50,125 --> 00:49:50,585

He's outta

00:49:50,632 --> 00:49:50,692

Xhafer: Eh.

00:49:50,905 --> 00:49:52,055

Laura: but he's right, you know?

00:49:52,132 --> 00:49:52,692

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:54,615 --> 00:49:58,815

Laura: but I was like, man, I think

I'm trying to decide what question

00:49:59,225 --> 00:50:01,065

I need answered the most badly.

00:50:01,654 --> 00:50:01,974

Xhafer: Yeah

00:50:02,425 --> 00:50:07,145

Laura: And I think it's, like, if I don't

hear anything else about Daniel, you

00:50:07,145 --> 00:50:11,995

know, we had super secret 13 Cylon Daniel

was just like, "Oh yeah, that gu- that

00:50:11,995 --> 00:50:16,895

one got all fucked up," and we don't,

you know I'm so sad about it, Ellen.

00:50:17,325 --> 00:50:21,405

And I'm like, if there's nothing

else said about that, that's just

00:50:21,525 --> 00:50:23,435

what it was, I'll be kind of upset.