The final installment of The Crow series holds its breath and dives into the 2024 reboot that inspired the series in the first place. When the first 2024 trailer was dropped, it marked the only time Kyle marched into his studio and recorded a "reaction" podcast(something Kyle prides himself on never doing). It was there that the MWP Crow series was born. The hosts express their disappointment with the film's failure to capture the essence of the original, highlighting how it lacks the compelling character development and emotional weight that made the 1994 version a classic. As they dissect the film's plot, pacing, and character motivations, they point out that the reboot feels more like a generic action movie, drawing unwarranted comparisons to the beloved original. The conversation reveals a split among the hosts regarding the film's merit, with some leaning towards a more forgiving view while others maintain a critical stance. With engaging banter and insightful commentary, the episode underscores the challenges of rebooting a cherished franchise and the impact of expectations on audience reception.

The discussion centers around The Crow franchise, particularly the latest reboot, which has prompted mixed emotions among the hosts. Kyle expresses his relief at finally wrapping up the Crow series, while Seth shares the challenges of the endeavor, emphasizing that the reboot was essentially an excuse for him to revisit one of his favorite films from 1994. As the conversation unfolds, Kyle critiques the reboot for its lack of originality, insisting that it shouldn't have clung to the original characters' names, Eric Draven and Shelly. The hosts compare the reboot to previous installments, noting how the reboot fails to capture the essence of the original while trying to appeal to a younger audience. Drew suggests that the film could have benefited from a different title altogether, emphasizing that the reboot's reliance on familiar names detracted from its potential to stand alone as a unique story.

As the conversation progresses, the hosts dissect the pacing of the film, lamenting how it takes a significant amount of time before any Crow action occurs. They draw parallels to the original movie, which established the action early on, allowing viewers to invest in the characters and their motivations more deeply. The reboot's slow buildup and emphasis on backstory lead to a lack of emotional investment in the characters, particularly in the romantic relationship between the leads. Despite some positive elements, such as the cinematography and soundtrack, the overall consensus remains that the reboot doesn't live up to the original film's legacy. The conversation concludes with the hosts ranking the films in the franchise, ultimately placing the 1994 Crow at the top, with the reboot falling lower on the list.

The episode effectively captures the hosts' nostalgic reflections on the original Crow film while critiquing the latest reboot for its shortcomings. Their discussion delves into themes of originality, character development, and the challenges of reimagining a beloved franchise. The hosts' camaraderie and humor shine through as they navigate their differing opinions, leading to a thoughtful exploration of what makes a film truly resonate with audiences. Each host brings their unique perspective to the conversation, resulting in an engaging dialogue about the Crow franchise's past, present, and future.

Takeaways:

• The podcast discusses the Crow franchise, wrapping up its commentary on the reboot.
• Listeners are led through a comparison of the Crow reboot to its predecessors.
• The hosts share personal experiences and views on the evolution of the Crow series.
• Critiques focus on the choice of names and character development in the reboot.
• There is a significant discussion about how the setting and lighting impact the film's tone.
• The conversation highlights the expectations set by the original movie and its iconic status.

Movie wars.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're wrapping up our Crow franchise.

Thank God.

Been a struggle, but we're finally making it.

It's so funny because the whole reason I did this is because of the reboot.

Remake, whatever they're calling it.

They don't want to call it that, but they use the name Eric Draven.

So we're going to call it a reboot, unfortunately.

Yeah.

And I.

For me, it was an excuse to get back into one of my favorite films of all time.

1994 is the Crow.

It's top 50 for me.

It's.

You know, when I was a kid, I was, you know, a good barometer for what movies you loved when you were a kid.

Is.

Were you that person for Halloween?

Yeah, you know, I was Terminator.

I was the Crow.

Like, you know, that's a fun.

Yeah, that's a good way to look at it.

Yeah.

Notice, y'all, we're talking about anything other than this movie because we're just trying to avoid it.

No, this is actually true to form for the movie.

We're going to take an hour and a half into this podcast before we actually talk about the Crow.

Yeah, just like the Crow.

Is it called the Crow reboot?

Is it just called the Crow, Whatever we want to call this movie.

Like, I seriously, 10 minutes in was like, am I watching the right movie?

Yeah.

Like, this should have been called John Wick Resurrection.

Yeah.

We have like 40.

40 minutes before any Crow activity.

Literally.

Yeah.

I think that.

I think they shouldn't have.

I mean, whoever.

I think I probably agree with people that say it's not a reboot.

Like, even if they're calling it a reboot, they should have given it another name.

You know, we had Salvation.

We had City of Angels.

We had Wicked Prayer.

This one could have been like Soul Caliber or something.

Like Soulmate, sir.

I feel like Rehab.

Yeah, I agree partially.

The part I disagree on is, Yes, I agree.

But all the studio had to do was do anything but use the name Eric and Shelly.

Absolutely.

And they would have saved.

There are a lot of other names out there.

They would have saved a lot of pain.

Because the most commentary I've gotten.

And I agree with this, fans.

The reason fans, they're not just.

They're not mad explicitly because of a Crow remake.

They.

They're mad because they use the names.

Yeah.

And although the other ones are horrible, at least they tried different stories.

Right.

Names.

Well, different iterate.

They.

I mean, this.

Even.

This was still different.

This had nothing to do with the original Crow Yeah, they.

All they had to do was not use those names, but they chose to.

And so I think they deserve every piece of negative feedback because literally they didn't have to do that.

Yeah.

If this had literally just been the Crow 5, I think I would have favored it significantly more than yes.

Yeah.

And where I'll start off as I'm going to have to eat a little bit of crow right now.

I am not.

Our Movie wars fans know.

I'm not a reaction guy.

I'm not a movie review guy.

That's why we have this format, because it lets us have intelligent discussion about movie without saying, I give it a 10.

You know, it's just, it's a new format.

But the only time that I've literally marched into my studio and turned on my microphone and did a reaction podcast was when I saw the announcement for this.

And I have a rando for that.

But I knew eventually would happen.

But when I, when I saw the trailer, I was incensed.

I could just tell from the trailer it looked very plasticky.

Yeah.

And I love Bill Skarsgard.

You and I have talked about that.

Like, I admire him as an actor.

I think he's actually really talented.

But I just, the look of the trailer just gave me really, really bad.

And I didn't react.

I'm a diehard Mad Max fan.

I didn't react this way to Fury Road.

Fury Road, kind of the trailer, I was like, that kind of looks true to form.

Yeah.

I mean, like I've said before, I'm pretty sure the last 15 minutes of Thunderdome set the stage for the entirety of what became Fury Road.

So, I mean, no, it, yeah.

Soft reboot, new guys, the characters.

Sure.

But it ended up being a 10 out of 10 in my book.

Yeah.

This.

Yeah.

Very different.

And I will say the reason I'm gonna eat a little bit of crow is I'm not saying this is a great or good movie.

What I am saying it, it did exceed my expectations.

I will agree with that.

Yeah.

I, I, I see it being somewhat split on the votes here because I, I do think there are positive things to pull out of this movie.

Yeah.

And I, I didn't expect to like things about it.

And, and I think back to my, My reaction podcast.

And this is why I don't do reaction podcast, because now I'm like, think, oh, yeah.

That's why I don't do reaction podcast, because I usually will eat.

You need to now do a reaction to your reaction podcast.

Like, just sit there and hit record.

Of Turn around right now.

Hit record of me listening to myself go on a rant and be like.

Nope, he was wrong.

It was a.

It was a.

Here's why that guy's so wrong.

It was a.

It's crazy because it was a 30 minute dialogue or a 30 minute monologue.

And I had actually written an essay about the crow that I planned to do when I was in between this 2.0 and 1.0.

I was going to just do movie essays.

Yeah, I was.

One point.

And I was literally.

And I already had this, like, monologue written up just about my thoughts about why I love the crazy crow.

And.

And I pulled some of that in, but it was just listening back, it's like, God, you were angry.

It's like, there are starving children.

That was your war.

Yeah.

That was your back.

Yeah.

But forget the starving children.

Let's talk about the crow.

I get that it was an okay movie.

Like it, like, I.

I went with all of these movies.

I didn't.

I hadn't seen them.

I hadn't really heard much about them until I mentioned on social media that I was doing this and I was watching them.

And before each movie, I always talk about, or I'll give people, the audience, the opportunity to, like, share their thoughts on whatever movie I'm about to watch.

And so that's how I knew, like, that's how I knew, like, this one and Wicked Prayer, we're going to be bad because, like, everyone was.

Yeah, but so City of Angels.

Yeah, I.

Also, to me, that was, to me, more people should have been pissed about that one than any of the other ones, but that's okay.

So I.

So I would say I went into this one kind of afraid that was going to be really bad because that's what everyone said.

And, like, most of it was boring to me, but the last maybe 45 minutes, I actually thought it would redeem the movie.

I think I text you guys.

It's like, okay, I think I like this movie.

But it was like an hour and 15 minutes into it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I can't.

I can't go as far as saying that the last bit of it redeemed the movie, but it definitely made it not shit.

Yeah.

For me, it's really easy whether I think a movie's.

And it's all personal opinion, but what I think a movie is good.

If I enjoyed watching it, if it was because, you know, I like Stories I like, you know, I like escapes from real life.

So if I don't have to feel feelings or think about life and just watch something that's, that's a good time.

And so.

But in the first half of this movie, I was like, what, what are we.

What are.

For example, did they ever reference why he went to the insane asylum and like, oh, no.

What?

At the rehab facility.

Oh, the rehab.

So what was.

Yeah, so my first question was, is this a prison or is it rehab?

And then I was like, are there even co ed prisons?

What did you do to warrant getting there?

Also, what happened to that poor horse at the beginning?

Also, like, how easy was it for them to escape?

I mean, don't get me, I just binge watched Prison Break.

So watching people escape out of prisons.

Yeah, I feel like I'm kind of an expert on it now.

And they got out of there so quickly.

Yeah.

Well, honestly, knowing that it is a rehab facility and not an actual prison, that made a little more sense because.

They have a lot of freedom in there.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's, it's, it's.

This film didn't do a great job of doing that.

And I actually myself was like, kind of like, why, why are they all wearing pink sweats?

Right.

That's an.

Also an odd clothing choice.

Yeah.

And the fact that it's a rehab and it looks like a very like it does, but it looks like a prison.

It doesn't look like an area where they're nurturing.

Not a nice rehabilitation facility.

Definitely not a.

That's where I'm like government funded rehab.

Yeah, well, that's where I'm like, maybe everyone there did commit some sort of crime, but it was related to drugs.

Well, the girl option, either prison or go to rehab.

His woman killed a bunch of like, killed people.

That's probably what got her there, right?

No, what got her there was the cocaine that they found in her purse.

That'll do it.

The police had no idea that she was a part of whatever had just happened over there.

Literally, she dropped her purse, cocaine fell out in the.

That's why she got sent to whatever the rehab thing was.

That's a good reason to go to rehab.

Yeah.

If you have a lot of cocaine in your purse right now, just a friendly suggestion, don't drop it.

I think my biggest problem with this movie, especially compared because, and again, like you said, if they hadn't said it was a reboot, I could look at it individually and make different assumptions.

But because they labeled this a reboot, because this is supposed to sort of relate to the original story.

My biggest problem is what made it so not unique was that the entire movie was backstory.

The entire movie held your hand and said, this is what's going on.

Before we even get to the inciting incident, which should happen formulaically within the first 20 minutes of the movie.

Yeah.

Like you should know why shit's going down or at least.

At least see what's going down within 20 minutes.

This was 45 minutes before anything happened.

That would be the crow.

But with the original movie, it started with the action.

The inciting incident literally happened before the cameras technically turned on.

Yep.

And so we spent that whole movie learning about the backstory as it was going, but it still started you in the action.

This just felt like another generic action movie.

It was weird because a little bit into the movie, he did actually die and go to the afterlife.

And I was like, oh, this is.

This is where he's going to grow up.

Yeah.

And then we had like about another hour into the movie, and then he re.

Dies.

Yeah.

And then he crows up.

I'm like, that seems like.

Yeah, there's a lot of filler.

Yeah, there's a lot of filler.

Which they could have made that underworld situation so much cooler.

Yeah.

I looked that side of the underworld.

I'm like, oh, that doesn't seem like a bad place.

I could.

I could see myself in a little townhome.

Yeah.

It's like a bridge.

It's like the last of us without zombies.

There seemed to be some nice greenery in there.

I mean, the.

The black pole with the skeleton.

I mean, maybe put a fence around that, but other than that.

Yeah.

Fence that off.

Yeah.

Don't walk into the time warp.

Yeah.

Hole.

I think it was.

It was.

It was interesting because this is what we said in the first movie, how we really appreciate.

You could tell it had that like, 90s movie feel where it didn't over explain it.

You were, you.

You were.

You didn't know the plot and you were explaining experiencing it as you're watching the movie.

Yeah.

And every question that was asked got answered.

Yeah.

You would be wondering things and then they'd eventually cover it.

Yeah.

And in this movie, I mean, it.

You.

I mean, so on one hand, you know, it looks so.

I mean, the.

The, you know, it looks so much like fresher and cleaner, but on the other hand, it's like you're like, oh, maybe, maybe we don't make as good of movies anymore.

I mean.

Or we just try to reboot things that don't need to be rebooted.

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

I agree.

Really hard with something.

Yeah.

I was processing.

I was like.

Yep, I agree.

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Really.

I had this exact thought and I said it in a different way, but something you said really resonated.

Of a relationship that we love and admire with flashbacks and just imagery and very little dialogue.

A lot of those flashbacks don't even have words.

It's just them interacting.

And the coloring is really great.

They somehow illustrated more of a relationship that I care about with that situation and throwing us right into the story.

Then 40 minutes of backstory.

Yeah.

And my problem.

And then the flashbacks had nothing to do with the backstory.

They were all things that we didn't see see in that friggin.

And it's like supposed to be days.

It's not supposed to be like years that they were out of rehab.

And making the iPhone video, the crux of the.

The whole thing that.

That's where I always.

I complain about this a lot, but technology in films, ruining films, making an iPhone video, the crux of this whole thing, like really pissed me off.

Yeah, really pissed me off.

But then something you said, like they're.

They're trying to do a lot of things here.

The white horse is actually.

It is an excerpt from one of the comics.

I don't know which one.

I haven't read all of them, but I did.

I just did come up in my research.

What they were trying to do was say Eric has a rough childhood and this is why he does drugs and this is why he's in rehab.

But they don't make it clear.

Okay.

Yeah.

I was like, I didn't get that from the.

And maybe they could have reduced.

If they really wanted to get that point across, they could have spent 40 minutes.

Maybe reduce that 40 minutes down to 30 and give us 10 minutes of experiences that.

Or dialogue or something that point back.

We could have seen a rough iPhone video of something bad of a horse.

This is me saying saving the horse and then going and buying crack.

But one thing, this movie, this is what one of my friends was talking about.

And I kind of see it is.

It's easy for us to watch this movie and not appreciate some of it because it wasn't meant for us.

This is definitely trying to do like let's make a crow movie for Gen Z.

Yeah, like that.

100.

Yeah.

This is like, we are not their target demographic, whereas the past several people our age would have been.

I disagree with that, though.

Like, if you're going to make the Crow and you're going to reboot it, you're not going to make a sequel, you're not going to further the franchise.

You're ultimately trying to bring back the people who were interested in the first one.

I will say, though, he's actually right.

Not to correct you, but in the Rupert Sanders in the special feature says we purposely made this to tell a new story to Zoomers.

Yep.

That's actually what his intent was.

Why reboot it?

Yeah, just tell a new one.

Or just don't use the Pro 5.

Yeah, you already gave him the mullet and the face tattoos.

That's all the Zoomers need.

They don't need anything else.

Ranks.

They don't need.

Did.

Did anyone else, when they did close up of his face, like, take note of all the different tattoos and try to point.

What is it about this person that needs this kind of tattoo?

Because maybe, maybe there you.

Maybe you have a rando about it.

But I'm pretty sure none of those tattoos have anything to do with this guy.

Granted, he was friends with a tattoo artist, so that kind of does make sense.

You would just have the guy's like, hey, I got 10 minutes.

There's always a tattoo artist in these movies.

Yeah, that's true.

That's their.

You're so right.

I've never.

I wish that was a bigger thing in these movies.

Like, I wish I have major quips with the tattoo artists, by the way.

But real quick, to your point about how this was supposed to be a Gen Z remake, if that's the case, then fuck you, because you're literally shitting on the people who made this what it is.

You're shitting on the people who were fans of it.

And there's a difference between.

We would like to expand the audience and we're going to say fuck you to the old audience so we can get a new one.

Yeah, I just.

There's totally agree.

If that's the case, then I'm sorry, you did an even worse job than you than you thought you did.

Maybe there's a way to go into movies.

We're doing exactly what you say.

Like, you want to.

You want to make a movie that reaches this audience, but you also want to make the kind of movie that would reach any audience that is into this kind of movie.

I mean, great example again, is Mad Max Fury Road.

Like, same director.

So Obviously, there is some consistency there.

But while he did make a fully updated version of that story, instead of saying we're going to now tread on the great, let's say Mel Gibson had died.

Instead of saying we're just gonna.

On the grave of Mel Gibson by recreating this iconic story, they just said, no, we're gonna move on and we're gonna keep the character alive.

But we're gonna tell it in a slightly different way.

We're going to make sure everyone who was into the old ones are still into this, but we're also going to tell it in a way that is going to be more exciting for modern audiences.

This, I don't think did that.

I had.

I had two problems that were like, minor, but to me were like, okay, come on, crow people.

Come on, birds.

First of all, what we.

What I've said over the past few movies is like, I love that once they become the crow or like crow ish.

Because I do feel like he had some crow adjacent time where he was dead, but not crow yet.

Yeah.

Like, you see this manic personality which I attribute, like, that's the crow's personality that comes into this person and they get more crow tendencies.

Like in the past two movies, there were scenes where both the guys like jumped up on the car as if they were like a crow perching.

Like they're.

And just.

They're like, they're more sarcastic.

They're more like.

And.

But like over the many years of these movies have come out, you've seen that and that's been like a characterization of the crowd.

This guy never got that.

He was just like emo and sad the entire time, which I get it.

His girlfriend died and he's bummed out he's got to save her soul.

We've all been there.

But yeah, if you're.

You got the spirit of the crow in your man, act like it, you.

Know, crow up, crow up, get your crow on.

Yeah.

And then speaking of the crow, this is the first movie where one of the plot points isn't like he's kicking all his ass and then someone hurts the crow and it, it hurts.

Forgot that the crow really just has.

It's just almost like a subtle thing to the movie.

And I feel like, you know, talking.

About symbolic than an actual character talking.

About what you were talking about the very first episode that we did.

Talking about crow one is like, the big part about this universe is they live in a world where like, it's the.

The spirit of the crow inhabits you to Help you exact revenge against, you know, so, like.

So, like, that the Crow should have a bigger part in a movie called the Crow?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

100%.

Yeah.

Like I said, it's.

It's.

It's more of a symbolic situation than an actual character.

And.

Yeah, I agree with you.

I didn't like.

Yeah, but I did like.

I did like the villain in this one.

I did like the connection that, like, his.

You know, you saw the Crow's motivation in trying to save the soul of his woman or trade places.

That was a different.

That was a different touch.

Yeah.

And then you also saw this villain's motivation in that, like, he saw this guy with his power not to die, and that's his big thing.

He just doesn't want to die.

And so he's wanting that, like, it makes sense that their path crossed.

Like, I.

But again, if this had been a sequel and not a reboot, I think all of these.

Oh, yeah, 100%.

This had nothing to do with the first movie.

Like, they should have called it the Crow Key Assault.

And then just something you said earlier was really funny.

I was trying to imagine a Gen Z version of Fury Road where they're driving Nissan leaves around, you know, and, like, they're all mad because they just.

They can't find a charging station.

All the bad guys are driving Teslas.

Yeah.

I was like, how would they have.

Nothing but a fleet of cyber trucks?

Oh, my gosh.

And they're just, like, talking about each other on, like, you know.

Tick Tock videos.

Those are really great points.

And.

And a lot of people had a problem with that.

And, you know, and also you were talking about, you know, Danny Houston's character, which Danny Houston's a fantastic actor, about the problem with that character.

It's like.

It's like, did Satan just make this deal with you and you don't ever talk to Satan anymore?

Is like, you know, what happened was he had sex with Terror Reed.

Yes.

He's the product of that.

Yeah.

He's the product of that interaction.

Maybe he did finish.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it's like, did Satan really make this deal with you and you just haven't seen Satan in 300 years since you made this deal?

It's like, he never comes back to tell you about your progress.

Like, what are you doing?

Like, are you just living?

You couldn't ask him for a little reinforcements here?

I guess I.

I guess the thing is, he is when he kills people, he's sending them to, like, I guess not straight to hell, which would make sense because that's where Satan is.

He's sending them to some kind of internal term torment.

Because that was the whole thing was she wasn't going to heaven or else she was just suffering.

Yeah.

In limbo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Good old purgatory.

Thanks, Catholics.

Yeah, no, I totally agree.

It is hilarious because there is this like it.

The end almost feels like John Wick with a sword.

Yeah, it really does.

Exactly.

Uses a sword.

Yeah.

I loved it.

That was when I officially started liking the movie.

When he came back with a sword, started killing people.

The.

Honestly, that's where it lost me.

I literally was like.

I was like, okay, I'll keep watching.

I mean I was going to keep watching anyway, but that was when I was like, this is something.

Yeah.

How did.

It lost me because the action was so mid.

It was not great.

It wasn't bad.

It definitely was no crow for it was no wicked prayer.

But now that I am used, now that I have seen four John Wick movies and I have seen other movies even try to get somewhat close to that and do a really good job watching the most generic fight scene where he is still like a.

The amount of blood he was losing shouldn't have happened in my.

Because the.

All the other Crow movies doesn't ever drip blood.

Like he has no blood anymore.

That was just weird.

They were trying to make it extra gory for no reason.

Does he have.

I feel like he's.

I feel like in previous movies he's gotten pretty.

From what I remember after he's become the Crow, he doesn't really ever bleed.

Like especially in the first one.

If we're even.

Just because this is a reboot, we're going to compare this to the first one.

He doesn't really ever bleed after he dies.

Just a little bit.

Like it's usually like a wound and.

But it closes up really fast.

But it's never like dripping blood.

Like he was spleen falling out.

Yeah, exactly.

So there was that.

It looked like dollar store version of John Wick, but even then.

So, okay, this was probably my biggest peeve with the entirety of watching the action in this movie is it felt like the stunt actors had a week of training because all of them were doing the very over obvious.

I'm going to show you I'm about to hit you and then boom.

Well, then you watch something of high quality like John Wick and everyone's been rehearsing together for so long for months that it's such a dance that you don't have to over Exaggerate your.

Your set to show them you're about to hit.

They know exactly what's going on.

Everything throughout this movie was so overly acted because it felt like no one was prepared for the action scenes.

Yeah.

I mean, sticking with the Keanu theme, I mean, for the Morpheus Neo fight in the first one, that was three months of choreography and rehearsal just to do that one scene.

And this felt like the entire movie was just.

Yeah, everyone was like.

It felt like the union was there every time they filmed a scene, and everyone felt too nervous to actually go for it.

I feel like this is a call to the congregation just to take a moment and really admire Keanu Reeves.

Yes.

I mean, yeah, the fact that he does all the stunts and does all the choreography, John Wick and all the work, like, they tried to do that here.

And I agree.

Like, it was my favorite part of the movie.

That doesn't mean it's good.

I'm just saying, in a shitty movie, that was the highlight.

Exactly.

But, man, can we just take a moment?

Say, holy Keanu Reeves.

Like, that dude, he's ruined action for most other people, Right?

So high, in his 50s.

Yeah.

And it's.

It's kind of the same thing with, like, fantasy movies and Lord of the Rings.

When you watch Lord of the Rings, the big battle scenes, if you see a single person that's physical actually on camera, they're all doing an actual bit of choreography versus most other movies like that.

You're literally watching guys with sword just go, eh.

Eh.

Yeah, because they're in the background.

They're not what's being focused on.

But Peter Jackson and his stunt coordinators wanted to make sure that everyone looked like they were actually doing something.

And this just doesn't look that way.

It looks like everyone's waiting for their cue and then they run in and it's.

Yeah, I feel like this movie, like, I feel like a strength of this movie, which I didn't care about, was, like, the acting and dialogue between, like.

Like, the main two characters and stuff like that.

Like, there's a lot of, like.

But, like.

So in contrast to the one we just reviewed, where we were like, what the.

What were they?

There was no script.

There was no acting.

There was no.

Like, it did feel like this was like an indie British film with good acting and a good storyline.

But I was like, is this the crow?

Like, that was my one question.

I was like, there's a storyline here, but, like, it has nothing to do with what I've come to realize for the Crow.

Based off of the four other movies.

Excuse me, three other movies.

Wicked.

Excuse me.

Two movies.

City of Angels and Wicked Prayer.

Yeah.

One of the weird things that I think actually would have made the character a little more compelling is if Alexander Scars or not.

Alex.

Bill Skarsgard had not fully put on an American accent.

Right.

I feel like if he had stuck with his native accent, I feel like it would have added just a weird little bit of depth to the character.

Yeah.

Didn't feel as whitewashed.

I liked that he and her were kind of weird weirdos, like.

And I think that's part of the things that they want to use to speak to the Generation Z is like, hey, look at these weird guys and face tattoos.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like that I.

It was.

It was kind of fun, you know, like, they were just oddballs.

And I liked watching, like, because it felt like I watched because I didn't know it was a rehab facility.

In my head.

It made a lot of sense that they escaped insane as.

I don't know.

Yeah, they're a little off their rocker.

Like, that's okay.

Yeah, you're right.

In the first one, Draven was a rock star.

Yeah.

You know, he was a good looking.

Like someone that you would want to be around.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I guess.

I also loved the.

The.

The murder scene in the opera.

For so long, nobody had any idea that all that killing was happening.

Yeah.

Like, I was like.

Yeah, I was like, I feel like they're either really into this song or like as.

As kind of decent as it was.

My problem is I've literally seen that done four other times.

Yeah.

So by the time I saw this, it just felt like literally a.

There's a scene in the show Leverage where they do that.

They blow up a safe underneath a symphony hall.

I wonder if this element was the first one to do that with the alien possibly singing opera while the action happens.

You're right.

That is a typical.

As soon as I saw that, I was thinking, like, this has been done before, But I was like, I'm here for it.

It's one of those things where, yeah, it's one of the cooler parts of the movie, but it's the coolest part of a 6 out of 10 movie.

Like, it doesn't make it good.

Unfortunately.

They just picked a trope that has been done so many times that I've seen done better with cheaper projects like Wicked Prayer.

Like.

Yes.

No, but like with Leverage.

Like, literally, it's a TV show.

They're probably spending half a million an episode versus, you know, however many millions of dollars are spent on this.

And I feel like the way that that cheaper show did it was more compelling than the way that they did it in this.

Yeah.

50 million for this.

Oh, my God.

This is the most expensive Chrome movie that's been made.

And they've done all.

They did a lot of this with the tunnel.

This new thing they invented, that tunnel that's not.

Not green screen, but it's like.

Oh, okay, okay.

With the, with the LED screen.

All the action.

Yeah.

Is on those LEDs.

And I forget what it's called, but.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's crazy to me that this one is so much.

Was so much more expensive than the other ones because like to.

I mean, especially the first one.

So much even then 50 million is cheap for a movie of that size.

Yeah.

Like that.

That was supposed to look like 100 million dollar movie.

Yeah.

And it looked good.

Like I look good.

I mean, like, I feel like they.

Yeah, people.

Whereas the last one, we were like, they.

No, nobody was doing their job correctly or at all.

This one, like this was very professional.

This one I was like, they.

They did well, they made.

I just.

If someone's like, hey, do you want to watch the new Crow movie?

And they put this on and then at some point, about 30 minutes, I'm like, hey, when are we watching the new crew movie?

Is what I.

You know, if I hadn't seen the first one or any of the others, I might have enjoyed this one.

But honestly, the first one is so good for them to call this a remake just honestly kept pissing me off throughout the whole.

Can you imagine if someone only watched the last one?

Pick this up.

Well, I mean, that's what I did with Mad Max.

I watched Fury Road first.

I watched it eight times in theaters, and then it came out again in the black and white version.

So I watched it the ninth time in theaters before I ever saw any of the originals.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So it.

But again, that one holds up the rest of the series.

This just shits on it, in my opinion.

This one was.

This one honestly was like the Tokyo Drift of.

Of the Crow because there was actually character development.

There was a story.

Yeah, it was good.

It had nothing to do with like the rest of the overall franchise, but like you could watch it by yourself and back.

Hmm.

That's a movie.

Yeah.

Yeah, Totally agree.

So I had two questions, but you actually already answered when my first question was going to be.

If they wouldn't have called them Eric and Shelly, would you have Would it added more love to it?

Yeah, I totally would.

So much I would have enjoyed seeing a new crow story versus we're going to take the original but change it.

Yeah.

I'll be honest, I honestly didn't know their names.

And so that was further.

I was like, why did they call this a reboot?

But knowing that they named them the same, I was like, oh, that's what they're trying to do.

Yeah.

I didn't know.

I didn't ever hear her name, but I heard his name a bunch of times.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they.

And I think they neutered them too.

Like, like being a rock star, I think they were giving you because we were in an era where we had.

We had mon.

We loved our rock stars.

Yeah, we have this admiration for these rockstar.

So we.

We're thinking, this guy's awesome.

They've totally turned these characters into like sad, like broken, technically shitty people.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah, I didn't, Yeah, I didn't like either of them at all.

Like, they, I wasn't like, like I wasn't really rooting for them.

Yeah, I like them together, but I didn't like them as people, I guess.

Yeah, that's the thing I was rooting for.

Like, I felt bad for their relationship and I felt bad that she was just like an internal suffering and like, I was like, oh, cool move.

You're gonna take her place or whatever.

So I, I like, I was there for like the mission that he was doing.

But like, like, like he as a character did nothing for me.

And then like, even, even her, like, I was like, really?

You'd escape rehab for this one?

But yeah, the love story is very mailed in for as much time as they spend developing it.

Like, I don't ever buy the love story.

Yeah.

I'm like, he feels the need to avenge her.

But for me to like agree with and buy this love story, the type of love they have, she has to cure something in him.

Yeah.

And we just never get that anecdote, like, what is it about this bro, this other broken person?

What is it curing now?

It's very common.

And they talk about this in the behind the scenes features that like rehab and people that are in recovery, like, they often find salvific nature in their.

Co.

Yeah, but you never showed that.

Yeah, they become like addicted to each other.

They did.

They.

I guess they're.

You did kind of see throughout their interaction how knowing.

To rehab how they did start kind of getting more addicted to each other in the before.

You know what would have been interesting is, and I feel like I would have liked the movie better.

We've said this a few times with other crows, but this one would have been now better than the other one.

Timing is if she became the Crow.

Yeah.

If he had died.

If she became.

Or they both died, but then she came back.

And then she's already got that backstory with the villain.

So that would have added to it.

They would have to cast a much better actress.

She's.

She's serviceable here.

But to pull that off, they would ask.

Poor woman from Shia LaBeouf to the Crow reboot has just made some terrible decisions in her life.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We would need a Charlize Theron power.

Also, her character just came across as the type of girl who was like.

With all the questions she was asking him.

I just feel like the next one was going to be, would you love me if I was a worm?

But she was.

She was crazy.

Like, she would have made for a fun, crazy crow could have.

Yeah.

And this other guy just was giving us nothing.

Yeah.

My other question.

Did they.

Okay.

Talk show.

Talk show host, voice on.

And you and I actually.

You texted me.

It's so funny.

You were right on the same page.

Did they really make a side character with the tattoo artist?

It's like a video game side quest for Eric.

After he gets his first round of powers, he just walks to his apartment to ask him to have a gun.

Yeah.

You've got powers, man.

But you had to march all the way to your tattoo artist apart apartment to ask him for a gun.

And let's also.

This is I.

This is what I texted you about.

Dude just escapes a rehab facility.

All right.

Dude walks into your apartment.

Dude says, you're thinking, oh, my gosh, you're dead.

Are you okay?

Are you fine?

What happened?

Also, should we get you back to the rehab facility?

Yeah.

And then his first question is, I need a gun.

Yeah.

And then the guy questions it.

He's like, ugh.

And he's like, okay.

Yeah.

And we're just like, okay with this.

Like, I don't.

Yeah, you've got powers, dude.

Yeah.

You couldn't.

You couldn't find a stick and do.

Do yeoman's work with it?

Of course not.

This is like when you're playing a great video game and then they send you on the worst retrieval quest.

But did he.

But here's the question though, at that point, did he have crow powers?

Because he dies again.

And like, I think he had really.

Immortality but no strength powers.

But did he have even the immortality because he made a deal once he was in the nice shrubbery area with the creepy skeletons in the black water because he was like, well, you wasted it.

I apologize for the light across the table, ladies and gentlemen.

My cat is jumping into the Harry, just ignore Harrison Ford over there.

I thought we were all about to be like, given crow powers.

The fourth co host of Movie wars.

To answer your question, my interpretation, someone who knows, feel free to correct me in the comments.

But here's the meanest way possible with all the harsh language.

Here's what I gathered from watching this movie is that that first death gave him that immortality.

And every time he went back to that middle world, it was only when he jumped in water or put himself underwater.

I think the water was his bridge to whatever this underworld was.

And then after that, by the third time he went in is when the crow finally fully inhabited him.

Okay, that is my interpretation of what I saw.

Please feel free to correct me if you know differently.

If you're just going to disagree with you, go with me.

Go yourself.

Go, go to Reddit.

Honestly, like, that could be it, but they just didn't do a good job of explaining what happened the first time he died.

Yeah, like, it was awesome.

When he got back when, you know, the face paint and he came out, it was like, let's rock.

Yeah.

You knew as a Crow fan, you're like, oh man.

The fact that it was an hour and 20 minutes into the movie.

Yeah, we finally got the makeup.

They could, they, they could have done that a little bit sooner.

They could have.

We could have seen less of them working out in a rehab center in pink onesies.

Yeah.

Pink sweats.

Rando.

Rando.

By the way, if you love the show, we're wrapping up this Crow series.

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Love y'all.

Also, if y'all have suggestions for other movies or series that we don't have on our list, please feel free to comment this.

Honestly, I would love to see what you guys want to see.

Also, if you just want to tell us your favorite bird, that would make for a decent species that to inhabit you from afterward world experiences, we'd love to hear that.

Also, if someone could tell me who is FKA Twigs.

I don't.

I still.

I'm a die Hard movie guy.

And I still don't know who that is.

She's a rapper that then dated Shia LaBeouf and then dumped him because of shit.

And then now it's just a mediocre.

I'm sorry, FKA Twigs.

I'm sorry.

Like I said, if you're watching this podcast to being in this movie, she's made some terrible.

Please make better choices.

But also, thanks for watching.

So I alluded to this earlier, Rando.

This movie took a long time.

And the previous owners of the IP who had bought it after it had come up for sale, they had approached James O'Barr, the original author, at a comic con, and they asked him if he wanted to be involved.

And he.

They.

After several iterations, like, no, I don't want to be involved.

I think it was Relativity Media.

I think he was just done.

I think he's just.

He still makes the comics.

But I just think as far as the films go, I think he saw Wicked Prayer and said, I can't do this.

I would do it.

Yeah, that's only four years after Wicked Prayer.

And someone's like, do you want to do another one?

He's like, I mean, could I shoot myself with.

Maybe the crow is Edward Furlong stole.

I don't know if we can still.

I don't know.

Listen to all these iterations.

First iteration, after they.

James O'Barr dumped it.

The first iteration was Bradley Cooper.

And the.

It was going to be directed by Juan Carlos Freshen.

It's so hard to say Fresno 20 either director of 28 weeks later that actually, I like his style, sure.

But Bradley Cooper, I don't know.

Perfect.

At the time, it could have.

He was very hot.

Yeah.

At the time I could see it happening.

He also does.

If they had kind of stuck with it being a sequel, unless of a reboot, could have fit that kind of crazy crow person a little better.

And it was going to be set in like a Blade Runner type of world.

That was the world they were at.

That would have been cool.

That would have been cool.

But hey, we don't do new and cool ideas here.

That's not our goal here.

Not with the Crow.

Yeah, yeah, new, maybe.

Cool.

And then it was Stephen Norrington who did Blade An Extraordinary League of Gentlemen.

And get this, Mark Wahlberg.

I would have loved that.

Can I can I pitch.

I've decided I want to make a crow movie and Mark Wahlberg would be perfect for that.

The premise of the movie is Mark Wahlberg dies and comes back with crow powers.

And the vengeance he's bringing is he's killing all the cast from Wicked Prayer.

He's just going and killing all the different people that were with his boss.

Yeah.

In Bourne Ultimatum style.

And every time he kills someone, he goes, your mother.

That's who.

Yeah, that's the movie.

That's the movie that should have been made maybe next year.

And this one, this one threw me because I always get excited when I hear his name.

But this didn't.

Ryan Gosling.

I love Ryan Gosling.

But again, I could.

Having seen him actually act, I think there is merit to that.

I don't think he would have fit the Persona as well, but I could see him actually putting.

I think they would have.

I mean he would have done fine and he would have definitely had name wreck recognition.

But I wish.

I wish I liked Ryan Gosling as much as everyone.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean like he's top 50 for me.

He's five's the one that convinced me he could act.

He's.

He can act, but I don't understand the like the hysteria around a place.

A place beyond the pines too.

I've heard good things.

So good.

Again though, Bill Skarsgard is not my issue with this film.

No, I mean he's.

He.

He does what he can.

Just the best job he could with what with the directions he was given.

Channing Tatum and James McAvoy.

Alex Skarsgard also got really close.

This actually was the close closest one.

Well, actually the second closest.

They actually scouted locations for that one.

It was going to be F.

Javier Gutierrez, who directed the Rings, I guess.

Is that the sequel to Ring.

The Ring, I guess.

I didn't know there was a sequel.

I guess they are only looking very fitting sequel horror film directors here.

But the one that almost got there and this is the one I remember reading about.

This is the one that got publicized the most.

Jason Momoa.

And it got to the point where Screen Rant and all the major publications even had retrofitted the crowd paint on the Jason Momoa's face and publish it.

Like there were actually articles.

So that probably also used the Ozzy Osbourne video.

He did.

Yeah.

He looked very crow like in that.

Yeah, that could have been.

Could have been interesting.

He couldn't do it.

He was doing fast X.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All interesting ideas, but we don't do interesting ideas.

No.

At the.

At the Crow sequel factory here.

No, no, sir.

Make sure you take your 15 minute break.

We don't want your hand to get caught in the machinery here.

This is interesting.

You know, it's early on.

We talked a lot about how.

And I guess both of these are true, but you know, what's his face?

Iggy Pop was a huge inspiration for the bodies and how, like, the musculature of the comic.

But he actually told Rupert Sanders, the director of this one, that Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Natals was his idol.

And so a lot of his look was actually modeled.

And they tried to translate, like, early Trent Reznor onto Bill Skarsgard to kind of appeal to that Trent Reznor look.

Interesting.

But I'm a Die Hard Nine Inch Nails fan, but I didn't pick up on it.

Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, that's one of those things.

If I hadn't.

If you hadn't said it, it's not something I would have noticed, is it?

Because your head is like a hole.

I'm sorry, is that always.

No, he said head like I was like a hole.

Yeah.

I'm a Dire Snails fan, but, yeah, I wouldn't have picked up on it.

Some of the clothes actually belong to the.

To the designers, and they were actually vintage 80s clothes.

And then they made copies of them.

But they.

They actually were goth folks themselves.

And so that's why they picked.

I can't remember their names.

They're legendary designers.

But the costume designers.

But they.

They were actually.

Some of the trench coats and things they were using were from their personal collection from the 80s.

It's cool.

I mean, I liked his.

I liked when he went crow and got the look and like, suited up, crowed up, crew up, grow up.

Honestly, that I was so disinterested by that, I barely remember what he looked like.

Yeah, and this is another one where I'm my age is showing.

Lil Peep was the model for Eric's image and the tattoos and everything.

And.

And also it was like they described it as Lil Peep mixed with Sid and Nancy, again as Lil Peep hanging out with FKA Twigs.

I don't know these people.

Who is.

I honestly think so.

Probably that would actually make sense.

Who is Lil P?

I have no idea.

He's a Mumble rapper.

Are we old?

Oh, yes.

Okay.

We're getting old here.

Yes.

Harry, love you.

This cat is awesome.

I love you.

That look is so judgy right now.

Like, are you guys still here doing this.

You're actually making me want to get a cat.

I love your.

Your whole energy, dude.

Cats are great.

Yeah.

I've got two retrievers, same energy.

They would probably chill with the cat.

Let's.

You're awesome.

And then lastly, this actually was really cool, and it has nothing to do with the movie itself.

Skarsgard.

When he finds out he's playing a new character, he will find a song or a playlist to help him prepare.

And the song that he used to prepare for Eric Draven was Mary Wagner, and it was a song called Death, and it's a Finnish folk song, so.

Oh, I would have guessed that completely.

Is that the same one that they used at the beginning of Until Dawn?

Oh, man, I don't know.

I haven't seen that in a long time.

Y'all keep talking.

I'm gonna do a little bit of digging here.

Shall we remake?

Shall we reboot?

Shall we get mullets?

Let's do.

No.

Shall we get eyebrow tattoos?

Yes.

100.

All right.

Let's war.

This is gonna be interesting.

I'm really interested.

This could be our most divisive.

Not between us, but just the card, like.

Cause it's just.

It's just hard to analyze this.

But let's go top Bill Cass.

Let's go.

Bill Skarsgard, and we'll go.

Let me see if FKA Twigs, my new friend and FKA Twigs.

I think she was the second in the credits.

Yeah.

And then Danny Houston, which I gotta.

Before we even get into those.

I've got to say, I'm sick and tired of opening credits in modern movies.

Yeah.

Like the opening credit sequence, if it's not furthering the plot of the story.

Just cut it out, y'all.

Yeah.

Just get straight to the story.

I do not, as much as I do care about the.

The lovely people who worked on this movie.

All the ones who are in opening credits are just heads that depend departments.

None of them are the people who are actually, like, in the trenches day by day, doing the work.

That's what the end credits are for.

Stop with the opening credits.

Show me the title.

Get straight to the movie.

I'm done with waiting 45 minutes for you to just get to the stupid.

I gave you my money already.

Yes.

Show me the movie.

Or, like, do it in a creative way.

Sometimes they.

They, they.

As they're showing you the credits and doing the cool little thingamajiggers, they're showing you part.

The beginning part of the movie.

They're like, it's like it's a ramp getting into the movies again.

Like I said, if it's going to further the story, do it.

But if it's just a stupid little artistic sequence.

I'm sorry, I don't care.

I.

I almost skipped it when I watched it because I was so bored.

Please stop.

If you guys do want to see the best opening credits scene, fast and furious 6 Hands down, watch it.

And you.

It.

It literally tells you the first five movies.

Yeah.

In the opening credits.

If anyone else said that to me, I would call bullshit.

But because you're saying it, that's definitely.

That's definitely the truth.

It's literally no other truth has been spoken besides that.

And when you're six movies in and you can somehow make up.

Previously on Fast and Furious with your opening credits.

You got no respect.

We need to do like a side episode.

But I agree there that's one of three things.

I think modern filmmaking struggles with that connective pieces.

And the example is this idea of him running and getting a gun.

Like the way they try to connect things, they do it in the weirdest way.

Whereas like really great filmmakers like make that stuff explicit without trying.

And then the last part is how they include technology with cell phones and things.

The way they lean on those like those three things to me really stifle modern filmmaking.

Yeah.

I agree completely.

That could be like an hour long side pod, but 100%.

But as far as the leads of this film, I think that they did the best job with what they were given.

I don't think the script is that strong, but I think all of them put in the work.

I think they all did what they were supposed to do.

I think I'll get.

I think I'll agree with that.

I their the plot and what they said did not captivate me one bit.

But I felt like, hey, you guys are doing a good job of doing this.

Yeah.

Never once did I feel like it was shitty act.

Yeah.

From anybody.

Yeah.

So I'll say as the crow flies.

Yeah.

Flies on that one.

Yeah.

I actually go the same.

It's really hard because we're doing a franchise.

It's like do I compare this to all of film or do I live in this crow world that we've.

Crow's nest that we've built.

Love it.

I think this one's worthy of both.

I think it's.

It's worthy of comparing it to the originals but also because it is a modern mid budget film.

I think it's also worth comparing to the rest of It.

And again, I think they did their job.

Yeah.

I.

If I'm looking at it from the crow's nest only I think I can't shit so hard on the middle three and then come here and shit on this one too.

I think we got.

And listen, I.

I don't love what FKA Twigs does here, but I think for what they were asking her doing the.

The.

This defeated, drug addicted, this kind of broken spirit.

She really does.

Absolutely.

I actually.

I actually was impressed.

I didn't know what to expect coming.

So when you look at it from that way, I give it a.

Crow flies.

And honestly, I'm just constantly impressed with Bill Skarsgard.

This guy keeps taking on beloved roles.

I mean, I thought he was crazy for taking on Tim Curry's it.

I mean, to be Pennywise.

I mean, even though that was straight to tv.

I don't know, you probably feel the same because, you know, I've talked about.

I haven't actually seen the original.

Oh, you haven't?

No.

It's one of those, like, you don't touch that.

Yeah.

People.

That's how people feel about Tim Curry.

But I think he.

He does a great job.

He does a great job.

And the acting is not.

And then Danny Houston, I mean, he's in supporting.

We'll do that.

But no.

Yeah.

No one stood out to me as poorly acting their character.

Yeah.

Good to know.

We all agree on that.

Yeah.

Yes.

Remember last movie and we were about to get in fights on the couches and now we're.

Well, no one quite got to the heights of Edward Furlong here, but let's just.

But I mean, they're doing their best.

It's unfair to thrust that expectation upon anybody.

Oh, my God.

Why did they cast him?

I'm still angry.

I thought you were gonna say, why did they make that movie?

Which would have been just as valid.

Yeah.

I don't know.

What's the bigger sin?

I guess you gotta have a wicked prayer to figure that out.

Nice.

God, I love.

I love wordplay.

All right, supporting cast here.

Danny Houston is Vincent Rogue.

I love how rogue is spelled weird.

Yeah.

R O, E, G.

Satan's one time transactional partner here.

Yeah.

I give you eternal life in exchange for this, but I never talk to you again.

He's so annoying.

I give you eternal life and leave me the fuck alone.

He was like a temp at Satan's.

Yeah.

Industry.

Yeah.

Robert Half.

Yeah.

Interim Satan.

Yeah.

He was like.

We just, you know, it's seasonal work.

We hope.

We just, you know.

Yeah.

Racking up.

We could use an extra guy to take some souls.

Then we got Josette Simon and Sophia, the mother here, which was.

She did all right.

I forgot about her.

Kind of an interesting, weird character, Marion, by Laura Byrne, who was kind of like a great Bond.

Ish.

I got, like James Bond.

What are they?

Femme Fatale.

Yeah, yeah, I like that.

Sammy.

Sammy Buhalia.

Sorry.

Bualia as Kronos.

But you never know.

His name is Kronos in the movie.

What a cool name.

He's the guy in the in between.

Oh, yeah, that makes sense.

It's a good name.

You never know that.

That's.

And then Roman is Carol D.

Jordan Bulger is Chance, and then it gets worse from there.

All right, what do we think?

Supporting cast?

I'll give.

I'll give them.

As a crow flies.

I feel like they all did fine again.

Like, the.

The movie itself bored me, but I don't think it was the actors.

I.

I am very split on this because.

Well, I don't think anyone necessarily did a bad job.

Right.

Other than the lead villain.

I don't think anyone.

Really, really good job.

You don't think.

You didn't.

You didn't think he was good at being whatever he was like?

I mean, I don't.

I'm not gonna say his character.

The character was a little lame, but, like, I feel like he was.

I mean, I.

No, no, I think.

I think he did a good job.

Oh, okay.

I don't think anyone else did either a good or bad job.

They were just kind of bodies in a movie.

So it's like, I want to give it a crow flies just because I'm.

I'm so happy to not be watching Wicked Prayer.

Yeah.

But honestly, I'm probably gonna go away from.

From the pack on this one.

I'm gonna go eat crow because none of them were memorable in any way, shape, or form for me.

Fair enough.

Yeah.

I actually.