In this weeks episode of Push To Be More we once again dive into the archive to present Matts conversation with Andrew Kelly. Andrew explores the unsexy wisdom of just turning up. It's a lesson that really hits home in a world where everyone seems to be searching for quick fixes and magic bullets. From his days as an elite road cyclist to his current role leading groundbreaking research in Antarctica. Andrew's journey is a testament to the power of persistence and of just showing up no matter what.

Key Takeaways:

1. The Power of Persistence and Consistency: Andrew Kelly emphasises the importance of persistence and consistency in achieving success. Drawing from his experiences as an elite road cyclist and in his professional career, he highlights the "unsexy wisdom" of just showing up and putting in the effort daily. This approach, he explains, often leads to unexpected opportunities and long-term success, even in challenging and unpredictable environments.
2. Relevance and Curiosity in Learning: Andrew discusses the significance of curiosity and the ability to discern relevance in the vast amount of information available today. He believes that curiosity drives learning and innovation, and the skill of identifying relevant information is crucial for making informed decisions. This mindset has been instrumental in his work, both in the corporate world and in his current role at the Antarctic Science Foundation.
3. The Importance of Antarctic Research: Andrew Kelly highlights the critical role of Antarctic research in understanding and addressing global climate change. The Antarctic Science Foundation supports groundbreaking research that provides vital insights into the Earth's climate history and future trends. By drilling ice cores and studying ancient atmospheric conditions, scientists can develop strategies to mitigate climate change's impact. This research is essential not only for scientific advancement but also for informing global policy and conservation efforts.

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The Art of Just Showing Up

Sadaf Beynon: Hey everyone, while we're busy recording some fresh new episodes for Push To Be More podcast, I wanted to bring back the conversation Matt Edmundson had with Andrew Kelly from the Antarctic Science Foundation. Andrew dives into the unsexy wisdom of just turning up. It's a lesson that really hits home in a world where everyone seems to be searching for quick fixes and magic bullets.

From his days as an elite road cyclist to his current role leading groundbreaking research in Antarctica, Andrew's journey is a testament to the power of persistence and of just showing up no matter what. With everything going on in the world right now, especially the climate change discussions, Andrew's work is work in Antarctica is more important than ever.

Matt Edmundson: Welcome to Push To Be More with me, your host, Matt Edmundson. This is a show that talks about the stuff that makes life work. And to help us do just that, I am chatting with today's special guest. All the way from the other side of the world, Andrew Kelly from the Antarctic Science Foundation.

Now, Andrew started his career with eight years in banking and at the same time competed at an elite level in road cycling. Oh yes, not an easy sport. And it was here that Andrew learned the importance of preparing for racing, training, visualization, strategy, analysis, persistence, tenacity, determination, accountability, all the buzz words, of course.

Two. Check these out, Youth Off The Streets, The Smith Family, The Refuge, Advice and Casework Service, The Society of Saint Vincent de Paul and Children's Medical Research Institute. And if that's not enough, Andrew is now the CEO of the awesome Antarctic Science Foundation, which connects, uh, which creates connections between philanthropists and researchers to enable catalytic scientific research on the icy continent.

Andrew, welcome to, uh, push to me more. It's great to have you here. Thank you for joining me all the way from the other side of the world. How are we doing?

Andrew Kelly: Thanks, Matt. It's terrific to be with you. Thank you for the invitation. Oh, no,

Matt Edmundson: it's great. Glad you turned up. Now, I'm assuming you didn't have to cycle anywhere to get to the interview.

Andrew Kelly: No, no, I'm well ensconced at home now, uh, on, uh, on Monday evening.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it's funny, isn't it, with the time zones and how that works. So it's Monday morning for me, it's Monday evening for you. Uh, and you are based in Sydney, Australia, right? That's right,

Matt Edmundson: Yeah, yeah. So tell me about this, right, the cycling thing, um, how did you get into that? Was just that you just, when you were a kid, your dad bought you a BMX and you got hooked or how did that work?

Andrew Kelly: Actually, it sounds strange because it's from another age, but we used to have this program here in Australia called Wide World of Sports. It was on a Saturday afternoon, and they used to cut up bits of the Tour de France and spread it across the whole afternoon, you know, the previous week's stages. And I'd sit there and watch these little three and four minute segments and sort of piece together the Tour de France over.

And, and so I got a bike and I started herring around on it and, and then I realized it's, it's really hard. Um, I went to a club, club race and started club racing and, and realized after a little while that the, You know, at the top level, it's, it's really hard and, and the, the romance of it, um, leaves, um, stage left pretty quickly.

And, and so I just focused on that, um, figured that I could be okay at it and, and really experimented quite a bit with, with my mind and my body. I'm training it and seeing how far I could go.

Andrew Kelly: Yeah, uh, I was, yeah, I was a teenager. I started off when I was about 13, 14. And, uh, that's, that's junior level. Uh, and, and then got to seniors when I was 18, uh, while I was doing school. And then in my early career, when I was in banking, I was, uh, I was actually in, overnight markets, so European, US markets, uh, working overnight and training during the day, uh, to, to see how far I could take it.

Matt Edmundson: So you were training during the day and you were doing this sort of, uh, I, I never really thought about people working night shifts in banking, but I suppose it makes sense with the worldwide market, right? Um, And so you're, you're working nights and you're training during the day, see how far it gets. So how far did you actually manage to get with the, the cycling thing?

So I spent a season in Europe in 93 racing and they said, come back and win a Commonwealth Games or do well at a national level and then come back in 93. 95. So I would have been, you know, in my mid getting to my mid twenties by then, which was the normal time for writers to turn pro. [00:08:00] Um, what happened in between was, um, everybody turned pro under the new, the new system in 94 when, uh, pros were allowed to go to the Olympics.

And so amateurism Basically, uh, stamped out and, and I also had a burst appendix. So on the eve of going back to Europe in 95, I had a, a burst appendix. Oh wow. Almost killed me. And, uh, and, and that, that took, put paid to, to cycling. Uh, the cycling world changed. Um, it took me quite a while to recover from that.

And, you know, in some respects, if I had continued on, I would've gone into the. Probably the Lance Armstrong era, which was obviously one of the less glorious periods of pro cycling. So in some respects, the path diverged and though it wasn't pleasant at the time, uh, I'm I'm pretty pleased with the way things have worked out.

Yeah,

It's almost fortuitous in some ways, but you, um, I don't know whether I, I mean, I'm not saying that, you know. Destiny did this, but I think people make the best of the road that they're on, don't they, and they can sort of find a New Zealand passion on that road. Is that what happened to you?

Andrew Kelly: Absolutely. I agree that it's not fate and it's not some sort of pre destiny.

So there's, there's that wisdom that's not, uh, existent in, in a younger person, which with a few years and a few scrapes, you, you start to accumulate that. Uh, and then you can see how valid and also how limiting some of, uh, Your earlier thoughts or dreams or ideas or projects might have been.

Matt Edmundson: That's interesting.

Um, what were some of the things that you sort of, you know, we call the show Push To Be More. I'm always curious where people have had to sort of push and overcome things. So here you are, uh, you know, a young man cycling. There's, I'm sure there's a lot of lessons there where you've had to overcome, right?

Andrew Kelly: Yeah, so the first thing about, um, road cycling particularly, I was just thinking about this the other day, which is, you know, one of the big races here in Australia. Called Goal of Liverpool, it's 180 kilometres and it's a, it's a pretty Taurus race back in the day. And I remember when I ended at the first time, I figured that I'd probably be counting each of those kilometres off.

And so that's that whole notion of you've got to conserve energy, uh, during a race that's as long as that. And especially when those races are back to back like the Tour de France and big stage races. And then when you are called upon or you call upon yourself to make that Supreme effort, it has to be absolutely all out.

So then. That's a bit of a motto that I've carried through my life as well. Yeah. The big one, I suppose, is that notion you talked about, which is Just keep turning up. And, and that was a, that was a really formative moment in my life. Uh, I was late to training one day. And again, this is back in the day when we didn't have mobile phones.

We did the training session and we got back to training. Where we, where we used to, um, split up and my coach said to me, you were late to training this morning. And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and sort of just brushed it off. And he said, you know, Andrew, um,

He says, and then there'll be race meeting out in the country where it's rained for a week and a whole bunch of people who were going to go to that race, that road race, they won't go. They'll stay at home instead of venturing into the country, knowing it's going to be a really wet, wet parkour. And then the morning of the race.

People will look outside the hotel and they'll say, Oh, it's been raining overnight. And so they'll stay in the hotel rather than turn up to the, to the start line, but you'd turn up to the start line. And then the race starts off, it's rain, it rains for the first two hours and a whole bunch of riders just peel off and jump into the team cars.

And there'll be a rise in the road. Everyone's looking at each other. It's been a really hard day and you go away, you just turn up when there's that opportunity and you end up winning a race that you had no business winning. Uh, and it's simply because of the cumulative effect of turning up. And that's a message, Robert, my coach, uh, you know, he still rides his bike.

Um, even in, you know, he's really pushing on and he's had enormous health problems. Um, but that's a message that I've taken out of cycling and into everything else that I do. And it's that cumulative effort, uh, of just turning up, putting in the effort each day, which, which builds a career and it also, uh, builds connections.

Matt Edmundson: That's really powerful. It's really powerful, isn't it? The power of just keep turning up. I mean, it's, it's, you know, we'd say when it comes to things like social media, the way you win in social media is consistency, right? It's just the, you just keep turning up and you do something of value.

Obviously, you don't turn up with drivel, but you do something of value and you just keep turning up. And eventually you win because everybody else drops out. And it's a really interesting one, isn't it? That, um, that here you are on the bikes learning the same lesson that actually everyone just drops out at the same in eCommerce.

I don't know if you, whether it's just me that thinks that Andrew, or whether you've noticed this as well, there is a sort of a, I don't want to hear that. I want the sort of the latest technique or silver bullet or something. You go, well, it's just keep turning up and you're like, well, no, no, no, no, no.

Surely I need to know. Yeah, you just keep turning up. Uh, it's, it's a really. What do you find actually when you talk to people about this? I'm curious. Do they roll their eyes or do they go, Oh, okay.

Andrew Kelly: I think intuitively we know it's true. At the same time, if you switch it into finance, people talk about the cumulative effects of bank interest, the compound interest.

of turning up, doing the work, um, and, and building your craft. That's the other, that's the other piece. You know, they often say, you know, they, There's only one question you ask a surgeon when you're going into hospital for an operation, which is, how many times have you done the surgery? If he says, I'm really excited to do it for the first time, you know, you want to run and don't look back.

Yeah. Uh, so that's what you're looking for when you put your life in somebody else's hands. So, uh, I just figure it's probably a good, uh, a good approach in, in anything that's worthwhile doing.

Because I, I, I, I find actually the, the, this is what separates the, the craftsman Just from people who are really, they're okay at something is the craftsmen don't get complacent. They're always trying to look at how to, how to improve or how to make it better. Whereas the complacent guys go, well, I know what I'm doing.

It's fine. It'll be all right. Um, and I'm outside of work. I do a lot of joinery, woodwork type stuff. I just love making stuff out of wood with my hands. And, um, I learned this lesson when I put my hand through a table saw, uh, just being complacent. Uh, and you kind of think, well, yeah, how do you, how do you stop that complacency?

How do you, how do you keep building your craft?

And, and they're pretty easy to spot, uh, if you can ask them a question about, you know, what the current, uh, trend is or the, or the latest technique, uh, in any field. I find that really interesting, just talking to people in different fields to understand their craft, how they keep up to date, what led them to do that craft and, and what keeps them curious.

But one of the things that I think is probably quite true that people don't really mention is, I think I'm successful because I've learned how to ask questions along the way. And I, and for some reason, I asked the right question at the right time to the right person, which opened the right door. And you kind of.

You, you, you, you get kind of intrigued by this, don't you, that the ability to ask questions and the ability to be curious is one of those things which makes us distinctly human, but somehow I think in the advent of, maybe it's social media again, I don't know if you've got any thoughts on this Andrew, we, because so much information is given to us, we seem to have lost the ability to ask Questions of people.

I don't know.

Looking at something and understanding, is that relevant to me? Can I make that relevant to a situation that I'm in or might be in? So it's collecting information, not just as trivia. But it's information, techniques, approaches, mindsets, uh, through a relevance realisation lens. Uh, which actually narrows down what you're looking for, uh, and, and I think that that'll probably become one of the skills that is, is really in demand, uh, and will be, um, you know, [00:23:00] the, the, the, uh, I suppose the distinguishing, um, talent or skill of, of people who can, who can navigate all of that information, cause we've just got too much of it at

the moment.

Andrew Kelly: Much more than we ever had.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah. Yeah. No, it's very true, isn't it? That, um, I like that. Uh, very clever. Very clever. Are you a, are you a learned man? As in, do you, Do you read a lot?

Andrew Kelly: Yeah. When I'm, when I'm not walking or working, I'm, I'm reading, I read an enormous amount and it's, yeah, it's one of the life's great pleasures. And again, it's that, uh, curiosity and, um, testing my views and my opinions or my ideas against those of others. And I think it's one of the, the great things.

So, yeah, reading is tremendous and novels I think are the are the most understated and probably the most counter cultural and subversive art form that there is because it's somebody putting an idea, a story, uh, the machinations of relationships into your brain, uh, which I find endlessly fascinating. I have enormous amounts of, uh, admiration for people who can write that well.

You kind of disassociate with You suspend reality, is maybe a better, and you get drawn into this story, which in your head is not real, but you're so engrossed in it. Uh, and I find it a remarkable way just to sort of switch off and, and, and just relax and recharge, is just to read a novel, you know. And I'm, I'm, I, I just re read.

And, uh, and there is something quite powerful, quite magical, like you say, about a novel.

Andrew Kelly: Yeah, the suspension of disbelief that you're reading letters off a page. And you're feeding this imagination in your mind when every other, uh, absorption technique that we have has been improved enormously. We now have super high definition televisions and cinema screens.

That's the other thing where, where, uh, you see something on Netflix or the cinema, it's being done to you, uh, in, in real life. Almost every sense, whereas with, with reading, it's, it's hard yakka. There's a, there's a real effort that's required. You don't build up momentum when you're reading, except if you're drawn into the story, as you've said with, with the novel.

So, so reading is hard and, uh, and writing in an age where reading is getting harder is, is a real skill.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it is. It is. I like that. So reading, I mean, my son would listen to, do you listen to audio books? Uh, you know, I, I, my son listens to novels as opposed to, well, one of my sons listens to novels, the other son likes to read them.

Very good, we could wax lyrical about that. It's always nice actually to find, uh, people who, like me at the end of the day, just like to sit and read a novel and just enjoy the novel for the novel's sake. Um, I think it's a great way to sort of unwind at the end of the day, so. So you, do you read business books as well or is it just predominantly novels?

You know, he's the godfather of chaos. Chaos Theory and his applications to human behavior and also to markets is, is pretty interesting. I like Nassim Taleb, uh, and his work around black swans and being fooled by randomness. That, that whole series is excellent and it's very counter cultural. Uh, so, uh, you know, that, that would be the, uh, The extent of, of business related books that I've read and there's trading books and the like, but I also like science and history and, um, maths and poetry.

Matt Edmundson: You know what, we're so similar, Andrew, uh, I said to, my wife said to me, uh, my wife and my daughter and I were sat around the table, uh, and Zoe, my daughter, was like, what do you want for Christmas?

I said, oh, this, these books I've been recommended and Sharon's like, you don't need more books. You've got 20 books by the side of the bed. You've got four books on your Kindle, which you're reading right. You don't need any more books. I'm like, I definitely need more books. It's just funny. There's just something quite lush about it.

And so, whether it's, uh, you don't know the end of the particular novel series that you're on, or you don't know a particular, um, the history of a particular country or region, it's, it's a good, uh, it's a good provocation to have information around you that possibly you might not get through in a lifetime.

But it's there. And it's, it's whispering that, that you don't know everything. And I think that that's a, that's a good life. I find it healthy.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah, well, it drives curiosity, doesn't it? Going back to, to what you said, you know, it drives that curiosity ideal. You said on your, um, LinkedIn bio, Two great tasks of my life have been learning how to think and being in the service of others, which I thought was a really interesting quote, right?

Or is that something that you consciously developed later in life?

Andrew Kelly: I think early on, I got a sense that, you know, we have this amazing, amazing mind that's given to us. And I read, uh, Edward de Bono's Six Thinking Hats. Really early

in,

Andrew Kelly: yeah, uh, I think I was a teenager when I read that. Um, I think my dad gave that to me and, and also, uh, towards the end of school into university read, uh, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which is just a brilliant book, which I read, I reread every 10 years, uh, out of school.

And what would I have to believe for this to be wrong? And so I try to take that, you know, that, uh, two handed approach or, uh, opposing views of a situation, of a view, uh, of an opinion. And, and quite often that helps [00:34:00] uncover. Blind spots that are just, just out of the periphery, uh, of, of my vision. Um, so that's, that's really in, you know, in, in, in simple terms, what, what I've tried to do is, is just avoid fooling myself.

Uh, and, and we, we can be, um, We're all prone to fooling ourselves, we can BS ourselves the best, you know, if you can do it to yourself, you can pretty much do it to anybody else. And so if you can, if you can just step back and look at situations and not participate in magical thinking, that's another piece, which is, you know, that somehow this will work out.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah, yeah, it's interesting that um, I, as you were talking and I was reminded of the the book Jim Collins Good to Great And he talks about one of the things in there was the confrontation of the brutal facts is what he called it And he was he referenced Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning book He talked about life in concentration camps, phenomenal book if you ever get a chance to read it and my book Oh yeah, just eye opening, um, and this whole idea of actually the magical thinking is what made me smile and think of this actually, this understanding that actually you can't do that.

You have to confront the brutal facts, uh, and you have to, you know, be aware of them and, and, uh, and deal with those. So this is, um, you know, your, your sort of desire to learn. The second part of that, uh, statement you put on LinkedIn was in being in service of others. And there seemed to be a very distinct career.

And you're now with And the Antarctic Science Foundation. Tell us a little bit about that. What does the Antarctic Science Foundation do? It sounds really cool, by the way. Uh, you know, it's probably the best job title ever. I am CEO of the Antarctic Science Foundation. It just sounds really cool.

Andrew Kelly: It's pretty amazing.

When, when the first explorers went down there, You know, 200 years ago, they called it hell, uh, no GPS, no email, uh, facing 200 meter cliff faces of ice, not knowing where they're going to park the, the wooden ship that they've sailed away from, from home and family on. And so the foundation backs people through our supporters, our amazing supporters back these people to go south into this environment, to, to do the research, which arguably.

But again, we've barely read any of the books. And you can only get down there, uh, About five months of the year, the rest of the time it's impassable. It's easier to get people on and off the International Space Station most days of the year than it is to get them in and out of Antarctica. Of

Matt Edmundson: course it is.

And then if you like repercharge back to, to, to get that information and then put that into, uh, strategies in society that will allow us to flourish. So that's the, that's the work of the foundation. We do it with the support of, uh, amazing, uh, supporters, philanthropists and donors, um, from the very big to, to the, to the mums and dads.

Matt Edmundson: That sounds fantastic. Is that what drew you to the Antarctic Science Foundation?

Andrew Kelly: Absolutely. Antarctica is the canary in the coal mine, if you like. It drives our oceans, the circumpolar current in the Southern Ocean drives all of the oceans in the world. It drives, it is the engine room of global climate and weather systems. It has a tremendous effect on us here in Australia, uh, but also right around the world for, uh, arguably, uh, 150 million years, it's been taking carbon and heat and returning

We can see leaded fuel turning on and turning off and unleaded fuel coming in. So it's almost like CSI Antarctica. We can see the fingerprint of human interaction.

And,

Andrew Kelly: and it's that knowledge, uh, which is absolutely unique to that environment, which we need to, we need to grab. We need to discover, we need to put the best of the best.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah, that's amazing.

Uh, I find the whole thing down there fascinating. I mean, I, I have to be honest since connecting with you, I obviously understand it a little bit more than what I did. So, um, if you'd like to know more about The Antarctic Science Foundation, the work that's going on there, why it's so important. Um, head over to asfantarcticsciencefoundation.

Matt. aq might actually still be around. So you've been doing that for a couple of years, right? So, um, here you are sitting in Sydney, which in my head is probably one of the warmest places on the planet, doing work in probably what is the coldest place on the planet. Um, and you, you know, You've been raising funds and awareness.

You told me actually a story, Andrew, which really intrigued me about a lady who came to the website and left a donation, I can't remember what it was, like 70 bucks, it was a small donation, you wrote to her and she left the donation on behalf of somebody else. Do you know, do you remember the story that I'm talking about?

Andrew Kelly: Yeah, so, uh, The, there was a lady who

It turned out that he'd been in Operation Deep Freeze in the US program in the 50s. And such was the impact of his time in Antarctica that he, uh, I suppose much like my cycling has taken that experience and it has informed the rest of his life and he still gives a learning in the community [00:45:00] program at Oregon State University, even in his 90s.

and uses his experience in Antarctica as the cornerstone of, of that, that program that he still delivers.

Matt Edmundson: Fantastic. Fantastic. How it all sort of brings all of this together. So as we sort of, uh, finish out the show, I, I understand, I suppose, areas where you've had to push, I understand, you know, In terms of how you fill your tank, whether it's on your bike, reading a book or just being around people and being intensely curious.

What's your hope for the future, Andrew? What do you, what do you want to be involved? What do you see? What do you want to grow into? What do you want to be more of? Those kind of questions. What, what, what, five, three, four, five years time, what are we, what are we hoping for?

Andrew Kelly: Well, the thing I hope for most and work for is, is to have energy.

And, and be a, you know, vibrant dad and husband, um, and, and also to give as much as I can, uh, in, in my work. And when you say three, four, five years time, uh, for Antarctica and, and for humanity, we are really facing some, some serious questions over, over the next, uh, five to 10 years. Uh, and what we do in that time period, we'll have, Serious knock on effects for the future.

Matt Edmundson: Oh, fantastic. Outside of, um, cycling and reading, uh, how, how do you maintain or build energy?

What are some of your insider secrets?

Attractive people like you, Matt.

Sorry, I shouldn't laugh. But conversations are terrific. Yeah. Terrific energy builder. In fact, I think it's one of the, one of the great ones because it's, it's, again, it's that, sharing that communion between two or more people where you're sharing ideas, you're comparing experiences. Letting curiosity run.

Uh, and, and I find that even when I'm at, at my most tired, uh, a good conversation, I've always got energy for that.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah. No, true. It's very, very true. It's why when you see friends you've not seen for a while, you're quite happy to stay up until two o'clock in the morning, just chatting away. And this is just a beautiful thing, right?

Uh. I'm really curious to know who your guests would be, who would you want to have on the show? Are they the people that have impacted your life, or people that you think could have the best impact on what's going down in, on down in Antarctica? Who'd be on the show and why?

Andrew Kelly: Well, I mean, my, my first top of the list would be my dad who passed away 20 years ago, if I could have anyone on the show, um, absolutely.

Uh, so yeah, certainly some of the, some of the scientists that I work with who have, uh, a tremendous sense of humor, an amazing sense of application. And again, that tenaciousness that, um, sends them back down to the icy continent when, uh, it's a pretty tough, pretty tough environment.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if there's a Netflix streaming service on Antarctica, so I, yeah, it's one of those, isn't it?

It's one of those. I'm curious, why would you, if you don't mind me asking, why would you have your dad back on the show?

Oh, it's brilliant. You know, and, and I just look back at my dad and I'm just amazed at the wisdom that he had. Uh, you know, he, he grew up in Nottingham. He was a, he was a Nottingham boy, uh, left school when, at the age of, uh, you know, the equivalent of year six. Um, and. You know, had, had, had businesses, raised a big family.

Um, and, and I think the, the quality that I love most about him is that he was always open to good things happening.

He

And most of the time they, they reply and the conversations that I've had with the great and the good is, you know, quite remarkable. And I owe that to my dad. Fantastic. Fantastic.

Matt Edmundson: I like your Mark Twain quote as well. I'm gonna put that on a piece of paper and give it to my kids. I wonder if it will help them, might help me, I don't know.

Uh, Andrew, listen, it's been a great conversation, I've lived every minute. How do people reach you, how do they connect with you if they want to do that, how do they find out more about the Antarctic Sounds Foundation, all of that sort of stuff.

Andrew Kelly: Certainly connect with me on LinkedIn, Andrew J Kelly, you'll find me there.

Matt Edmundson: Yeah, definitely check those out. Uh, we will link to Andrew's info in the show notes, uh, which as I've said, you can get it for free along with the transcript at pushtobemore. com or direct to your inbox if you've signed up for our newsletter.

Uh, Andrew, thank you so much, bud, for joining me. Thoroughly enjoyed. The Conversation. Thank you for all the work that you do down in Antarctica as well with, uh, with the foundation. Appreciate you looking out for us. And, um, honestly, mate, it's, uh, it's been an absolute joy and a privilege.

Andrew Kelly: Thanks, Matt. I've really enjoyed it.

Thanks for the invitation.

Matt Edmundson: Ah, it's been great. What a great conversation. Huge thanks again to Andrew for joining me today

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