Shownotes
As the clock ticks down to the end of the world, we dive into the chaotic landscape of high school politics with a sharp look at the dark comedy Election. Directed by Alexander Payne, this film cleverly dissects ambition, moral ambiguity, and the absurdity of student government. We debate whether it deserves a place in our vault of cinematic treasures or if it should be cast into the apocalyptic abyss.
With the characters' flawed motivations and ethical dilemmas laid bare, we explore how the film mirrors broader societal issues of power dynamics and ambition. Plus, we engage in a lively 1999 Movie Draft, selecting our favorite films from a year packed with unforgettable releases. Join us as we navigate the moral wasteland of Election—and stick around for a draft that promises to be just as entertaining as the film itself.
Time Stamps
- 00:52 Welcome to the Podcast
- 01:44 Discussing 'Election' (1999)
- 47:31 Final Thoughts and Ratings and VAULT DECISION
- 52:51 1999 Movie Draft Begins
- 01:14:56 Wrap-up and next week's film 'Magnolia' (1999)
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We all know it doesn't matter who gets elected president of Carver.
Speaker A:Do you really think it's going to change anything around here?
Speaker A:Make one single person smarter or happier or nicer?
Speaker A:The only person it does matter to is the one who gets elected.
Speaker A:The same pathetic charade happens every year and everyone makes the same pathetic promises just so they can put it on their transcripts to get into college.
Speaker A:So vote for me, because I don't even want to go to college and I don't care.
Speaker A:And as president, I won't do anything.
Speaker A:The only promise I will make is that if elected, I will immediately dismantle the student government so that none of us will ever have to sit through one of these stupid assemblies again.
Speaker B:Welcome to Back to the Framerate, part of the Weston Media Podcast Network.
Speaker B:Join us as we watch and discuss films on VOD and streaming platforms, deliberating on whether each one is worthy of salvation or destined for destruction in the face of the impending apocalypse.
Speaker B:You can find more episodes of this podcast on backtothe framerate.com where you can subscribe and share our show and find us on our socials at Back to the Frame Rate.
Speaker B:I am Nathan Shore and accompanying me by the extraordinary movie mavens Brianna Budworth and Sam Cole.
Speaker C:Hello.
Speaker D:Hey.
Speaker B:Hello.
Speaker B:Welcome back to the podcast.
Speaker C:Wait a minute.
Speaker C:Sam Cole's on this podcast?
Speaker C:Holy shit.
Speaker B:He's a part time host.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:How are you doing, Sam?
Speaker B:Welcome back.
Speaker D:Not too bad.
Speaker D:Cannot complain for sure.
Speaker B:Well, we are happy that the Holy Trinity is now whole again.
Speaker B: elections from election from: Speaker B: Like it's: Speaker B:I don't know if that's something that we officially coined, but I did a month ago when I was thinking about this.
Speaker B:But this is.
Speaker B:This should be a fun discussion tonight.
Speaker B:Have we all watched this movie before?
Speaker B:Were we familiar with this?
Speaker C:Oh, yes.
Speaker D: it in the theater in the year: Speaker B:In the theater I saw this.
Speaker B:And when I used to work at a video store.
Speaker B:And this was.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker C:Hollywood Video.
Speaker B:Hollywood Video.
Speaker B:Of course, I actually worked at both at different times in my Life.
Speaker B: But in: Speaker B: and: Speaker B:I rent.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Well, I have to rent them.
Speaker B:I just like took home, you know, loads and loads of VHS tapes and I didn't have a DVD player at the time, so I was.
Speaker C:Have either of you read the book?
Speaker C:I have not no.
Speaker C:Illiteracy is a growing epidemic.
Speaker B:Words reading.
Speaker B:Okay, so.
Speaker B:So we're mixing up a little bit tonight.
Speaker B:As you heard in the beginning, we started off with one of the more well known clips from this movie.
Speaker B:What happened to Brian's intro?
Speaker B:Well, we have it right here.
Speaker B:Let's start the show right here.
Speaker B:If I could just cue it like what I was supposed to.
Speaker C:We'll edit that out.
Speaker E:In the dying embers of human existence, as the asteroid of Behemoth, the sides of Texas hurdles relentlessly toward Earth, the world braces for an apocalyptic end.
Speaker E:Deep beneath the bunker, a refuge plunges into the bowels of the earth.
Speaker E:Here the chosen gather their purpose clear to preserve the very soul of our civilization.
Speaker E:The 35 and 70 millimeter prints that encapsulate the magic, the emotion and the dreams of generations past.
Speaker E:These masterpieces, each frame a testament to the human spirit, are carefully cataloged and cradled in the cavernous confines of the bunker.
Speaker E:Perhaps there was room for more, for friends and family yearning for salvation.
Speaker E:But sacrifices must be made.
Speaker E:The movie nerds stand united.
Speaker E:The keepers of a flame, promising a future where the art of storytelling endures, transcending the boundaries of time and space.
Speaker E:God help us all.
Speaker B:I'm supposed to do the music now.
Speaker B:Music?
Speaker B:In the beginning of the thing anyways.
Speaker B:We're working on it, everyone.
Speaker B:We're working on it.
Speaker C:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:Work in progress.
Speaker B:Oh, boy.
Speaker B:It's right.
Speaker B:You know, we should put a little like, you know, construction sign somewhere.
Speaker D:404 Yakuza do you remember our discussion, sir?
Speaker C:I do.
Speaker C:Well, I remember our discussion more than the movie, which says a lot.
Speaker B:I'm trying to forget the discussion.
Speaker D:I listened to that while driving.
Speaker D:It was pretty.
Speaker D:It's pretty captivating.
Speaker B:Heavily edited.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Know what you're talking about.
Speaker C:Flawless episode where nothing happened.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:Nothing at all.
Speaker B:No, I did not just completely lose it and fall off my chair at all.
Speaker B: Election: Speaker B:Screenplay from Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor.
Speaker B:Cinematography from James Glennon.
Speaker B:Composer Ralph Kent.
Speaker B:And pretty cool cast here.
Speaker B:Matthew Broderick as Jim McAllister.
Speaker B:Reese Witherspoon, right when she was breaking out around the time as Tracy Flick.
Speaker B:Chris Klein in his very first film role as Paul Metzler.
Speaker B:Jessica Campbell as Tammy Metzler.
Speaker B:Mark Herlick as Dave Novotny.
Speaker B:Phil Reeves as principal Walt Hendricks.
Speaker B:Molly Hagan as Diane McAllister and Delaney Driscol as Linda Novotny.
Speaker B:That was the main cast in this.
Speaker B:I have a plot synopsis and we can get into all the good stuff in this movie here.
Speaker B:Jim McAllister.
Speaker B:Jim McCall.
Speaker B:Jim McAllister, played by Matthew Broderick, a well liked high school government teacher, can't help but notice that successful student Tracy Flick uses less than ethical tactics to get what she wants.
Speaker B:When Tracy runs for school president, Jim feels that she will be a poor influence on the student body and convinces Paul, a dim witted but popular student athlete, to run against Tracy.
Speaker B:When she becomes aware of Jim's secret involvement in the race, a bitter feud has sparked.
Speaker B:We'll move on now to the presidential race with three candidates running.
Speaker B:The first is Tracy Flick.
Speaker D:One thing that's important to know about me is that I'm an only child.
Speaker D:My mom is really devoted to me.
Speaker D:She likes to write letters to successful women like Elizabeth Dole and Connie Chung and ask them what advice do they have for me.
Speaker D:Tracy, her daughter.
Speaker B:The next candidate for student body president is Paul Metzler.
Speaker B:I just don't think somebody would do something like that on purpose.
Speaker B:I think you did it.
Speaker D:And if you want to keep questioning.
Speaker B:Me like this, I won't continue without my attorney present.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think we're good.
Speaker B:So election B, I think you were really pulling to review this movie.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, tell us.
Speaker C:I love this movie.
Speaker C:I think Tracy Flick is like one of the most interesting portrayals of ambition on screen.
Speaker C:She's just such a wonderfully fleshed out character.
Speaker C:And it's been interesting to see how the public perception of her character has shifted over time since this movie came out.
Speaker C:I think she was really the villain for a long time and now there's a lot more sympathy for her, which is interesting because I think Payne, and we're, we're all big Alexander Payne fans on this podcast, right?
Speaker C:But yeah, I think he portrays her with so much empathy.
Speaker C:Like, I think he really is very sensitive to her and her character.
Speaker D:But yeah, I'm blown away by.
Speaker D:To me, it's magic.
Speaker D:I mean, for me, Sideways is still my top Alexander Payne film.
Speaker D:I put that in my top 10 films of all time.
Speaker D:But his understanding of character blows my mind because at the beginning of this, it intercuts between Matthew Broderick and Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker D:You just see their daily routines and within seconds you know who these characters are, the differences in their personality.
Speaker D:And that to me is magic.
Speaker D:I know what he's doing and he makes directing films look easy.
Speaker D:And then you can go and try to do an intercut scene like that yourself.
Speaker D:And I don't quite.
Speaker D:To me, it just the understanding of character blows me away in a way that is captivating and engaging and he's so visually sharp and quick that it's like his movies.
Speaker D:It's like chewing the best character bubble gum imaginable.
Speaker B:Yes, I completely agree, Sam.
Speaker B:I like how you also feel like you under who these characters are, but it also kind of subverts it as well.
Speaker B:Because I think, as you mentioned, Bea, we think we.
Speaker B:I think as the public has, as we have some distance from when this movie came out, I think opinions have also changed on Tracy Flick as a villain.
Speaker B:And maybe that's flip flopped over over the years as well.
Speaker B:And I want to get into that in a little bit.
Speaker B:But the Matthew Broderick character, you can't ignore the fact that at this time in his career, everyone associated him as like the 80s, you know, Ferris Bueller is stamped all over him.
Speaker B:And this movie opens with a scene of him in the shower which hearkens right to a very memorable scene from Ferris Bueller.
Speaker C:And he's might be the opening.
Speaker B:Yeah, it is a scene where he's singing like in the shower.
Speaker B:So already you're getting those vibes like, oh, I know who this person is.
Speaker B:And it's a real deconstruction.
Speaker B:At first you're thinking this could be who Ferris Bueller is when in his mid-30s.
Speaker B:But no, we are going to completely deconstruct somebody.
Speaker B:And it's really a dissection of this midlife malaise days, which.
Speaker B:Yeah, really depressing.
Speaker B:It's brutal.
Speaker C:Did you.
Speaker C:Did either of you watch the commentary on this movie?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:I know it's on Christmas commentary and I really wanted to.
Speaker B:I didn't have a chance.
Speaker C:Super fun fact.
Speaker C:Alexander Payne, at the time you recorded the commentary anyway, had not seen Ferris Bueller.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:He was hiring Matthew Broderick.
Speaker C:He saw him as kind of like his alter ego and so he put him in the role.
Speaker C:But he wasn't really aware that Matthew was doing this deconstruction.
Speaker C:He was just excited to have someone go all in on this part.
Speaker B:Yeah, fascinating.
Speaker C:Because isn't that cool?
Speaker D:I can see why Matthew Broderick would want to take the role.
Speaker D:Like, I could see why it was appealing to him because it's so different.
Speaker D:But it's amazing.
Speaker D:There's nothing bad direction would indicate too much.
Speaker D:Like so and so is a slob, but you just know in the slightest gesture that he is casual, a little bit more sloppy.
Speaker D:And Reese Witherspoon's character, Tracy Flick, as she's perfectly unfolding this table and getting to the school at like 6:00 in the morning.
Speaker D:You're like, okay.
Speaker D:She's incredibly organized.
Speaker D:She's more uptight.
Speaker D:She's insanely driven.
Speaker D:Like, not as much of a sense of humor.
Speaker D:He's like middle of the road kind of.
Speaker D:But it shows that so quickly that I think that it's the perfect movie to show to film students how to visually create characters.
Speaker D:Because I saw that and I immediately said to myself, I know who these people are.
Speaker D:And I've seen them on screen for 30 seconds.
Speaker D:Like, that's an Alexander Payne mind blowing gift.
Speaker B:That's so true, by the way.
Speaker B:I completely forgot this was a MTV production.
Speaker B:Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker B:Do you remember how big a deal they were in the film industry back in the late 90s?
Speaker C:I actually used to play music videos.
Speaker B:Yeah, but they were so cool, so cutting edge around this time.
Speaker B:I mean, they gave us Joe's Apartment and Beavers and Butthead Do America, Varsity Blues, 200 cigarettes in the south park movie.
Speaker B:They were really trying to capture a voice of a generation.
Speaker B: And then even in the: Speaker B:Remember Pootie Tang?
Speaker B:Oh God, Zoolander.
Speaker B:I mean, they, you know, so.
Speaker B:And then they got like Oscar caliber films like Hustle and Flow.
Speaker B:So they had an amazing run of movies in the 90s.
Speaker B:It really defined the era.
Speaker B:So this was right smack dab in the middle of it.
Speaker B:I think it's, it's got that cutting.
Speaker D:Edge, like independent movie vibe.
Speaker D:Like you're talking about how it subvert things, Nathan.
Speaker D:But like it, it has shock value, realistic character moments and like a perfect example of that.
Speaker D:And like I'm not actually going to repeat the line, but like when, like Matthew Broderick's teacher friend, it just cuts to a close up shot of him out of nowhere and he's like, her bleep is so.
Speaker D:And you're just like.
Speaker B:Up until that point, feels like we're in like a High School PG PG 13 movie.
Speaker B:And all of a sudden it's like, I wonder.
Speaker B:You can't say that to Matthew Broderick.
Speaker D:You can't.
Speaker B:That's what I'm thinking to myself.
Speaker B:Like, he's innocent, he's naive.
Speaker B:You can't say that.
Speaker B:He's Ferris Bueller.
Speaker B:He's too white American, pure.
Speaker B:And it's like I felt, I felt bad for him that somebody would say that in front of Matthew.
Speaker D:No, exactly.
Speaker D:But like even the shock value is always in service of character.
Speaker D:And Alexander Payne will have those shocking moments a lot.
Speaker D:Like you're.
Speaker D:And really briefly, you're at like the hour and 40 minute into sideways, and you go, okay, this movie has had a bunch of surprises.
Speaker D:What else can it do?
Speaker D:And then all of a sudden, Paul Giamatti is, like, getting Thomas Hayden Church's wallet from this crazy guy, and he runs out the door naked.
Speaker D:And you're like, what?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:Yeah, I.
Speaker C:This is a real black comedy.
Speaker C:I think that's a term that gets thrown around a little with a little bit of disregard.
Speaker C:But this is a perfect example of a really dark comedy.
Speaker C:It's just done so well.
Speaker C:And in the commentary he talks about, this was shot in a real high school.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:That's how he found some of the cast and the extras.
Speaker C:I mean, it was functioning.
Speaker C:They were having classes while they were filming this movie.
Speaker C:I mean, that is, to your point, Sam, really indie.
Speaker D:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker D:I'm so glad they did that, because it definitely looks like it.
Speaker D:I mean, I was.
Speaker D: graduated from high school in: Speaker D:And plus, because it's late 90s, too, it reminded me a little bit of my own high school.
Speaker D:Totally different, but it had that 90s vibe of 90s high school.
Speaker D:And I was like, wow.
Speaker D:Oh, my God, I'm transported here.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think the fact that it was a black comedy, I mean, we all heard the trailer.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:I don't think they really knew how to market this.
Speaker B:It did not do well in the box office.
Speaker B:And I think all they could do was try to market this as, like a high school comedy.
Speaker B:And it's not that at all.
Speaker B:In fact, this is not, I don't think, geared toward that.
Speaker B:This is really, I feel, geared toward an adult audience, really, because it's complicated.
Speaker B:It is complicated.
Speaker B:And you've got.
Speaker B:Your main character is a man in his mid-30s going through a midlife crisis, and that's who you're really with.
Speaker B:Or if you, I guess, are in high school, you've got this other young girl, and that's also a very complicated story as well, where she is dealing with relationships with teachers and statutory.
Speaker C:With harassment from teachers.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:And it's like, my God, like, who is this movie really?
Speaker B:How do you market this?
Speaker B:So it's no surprise to me that this movie probably was like, it was a hard sell.
Speaker B:I totally mention.
Speaker C:Oh, go ahead, Sam.
Speaker D:No, I was just going to say I totally hear that.
Speaker D:And, like, the thematic element of the movie is embedded really early when Matthew Broderick's talking about ethics versus moral, and then he's the one that betrays his own Like Mo.
Speaker D:You know what I mean?
Speaker D:But then you kind of sympathize with him because he's flawed.
Speaker D:But it's like, man, this guy is having a rough time.
Speaker C:Kind of a schm.
Speaker C:I mean, he's.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I don't have a ton of as much sympathy for the broader character, but even before the conversation on ethics, we saw.
Speaker C:We see him cleaning out the refrigerator and he misses the trash can with the Chinese food.
Speaker C:And I just think, wow, what wonderful foreshadowing is that there's so much garbage in this movie that's being thrown away.
Speaker C:She uses the trash can to rip off the posters.
Speaker C:I mean, it's just.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then the maintenance guy gets him in trouble because of that.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm so happy that's paid off.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:So good.
Speaker B:Well, a few things here, so I think we need to talk about, like, how this.
Speaker B:The thing instigating moments in this is that Tracy and Jim's friend from school, another teacher, we find out is, ha.
Speaker B:They are having this affair.
Speaker B:And I don't.
Speaker C:We can't even call it that.
Speaker C:Tracy thinks she's having an affair.
Speaker B:Are they sleeping together?
Speaker B:I mean.
Speaker C:Oh, they're sleeping together.
Speaker C:I think it's.
Speaker C:I think it's sexual harassment and rape.
Speaker C:It is statutory rape.
Speaker B:All those things.
Speaker B:First of all, this.
Speaker B:This is the most disturbing thing.
Speaker B:I don't even know how to talk about this, because there's the scene, first of all, they have the scene where they're at the restaurant after the yearbook meeting, and it's just so.
Speaker B:It's dripping with these predatory vibes from Dave, the way he's asking.
Speaker B:He's acting like he's trying to be a caring friend, but what he's really doing, he's being very calculated, trying to test the waters to confirm if Tracy can be discreet.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker C:You get a real Lolita vibe from it.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker C:A real, like, Nobuko of Lolita kind of thing.
Speaker C:And you see that in the Broderick character, too, where he starts to villainize her for the actions.
Speaker C:And she's just confused and ambitious, and she's like, I don't know.
Speaker C:This seems to be.
Speaker C:Apparently the book makes her much more sexual, but Alexander thought that would be the wrong direction, which I agree with.
Speaker B:But it gets worse.
Speaker B:Back at his house, he has the audacity to put on Once, Twice Three Times a Lady by Lionel Richie and saunters over to Tracy on the couch, and he's so transparent.
Speaker B:And he shares a mug Root beer.
Speaker B:Not only is this man pathetic, he's got no game either, right?
Speaker D:And he said that she's like, would be willing to read his novel, which he hasn't written yet.
Speaker D:That was the funniest thing.
Speaker D:She's like your novel.
Speaker B:And it makes me wonder how he even found someone to marry him in the first place because he's just that sad.
Speaker C:It made me think of Juno too for like a more modern comparison.
Speaker C:You sort of have that happen there too.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:So the school finds out about this.
Speaker B:And there is one thing, there's a couple things in this though that I find so completely unrealistic.
Speaker B:And I'm married to somebody who works in a school.
Speaker B:I have a hard time separating myself from what really happens in schools.
Speaker B: And I know this is: Speaker B:It's a satire, it's a farce.
Speaker B:Everything that happens in this movie, but still nothing that actually happens in the school would actually really happen if it really went down this.
Speaker B:If these things really happen.
Speaker B:Like Jim would not be in that meeting.
Speaker B:When they were presenting this letter to Dave.
Speaker B:Did you write this note?
Speaker B:Why is Jim in the room?
Speaker B:And this he is then complicit with this.
Speaker B:He would be.
Speaker B:If he, if they found out that he knew about this relationship, he would be in trouble as well.
Speaker B:So I don't really understand why he's in that meeting.
Speaker B:It all makes no sense at all.
Speaker D:That's true.
Speaker D:You just reminded me that I like the actor that plays the principal.
Speaker B:Oh, he's great.
Speaker D:The way he delivers design.
Speaker D:He's like.
Speaker D:So what I need to know here is he's like, did you cross the line with this girl?
Speaker D:And he's like, we were in love.
Speaker B:I love him because.
Speaker D:Delusional.
Speaker B:I love him because he represents a lot of the male characters in this movie.
Speaker B:Because every male character is undermined by poor decisions and the ability to handle like strong willed female their counterparts.
Speaker B:And like Jim is the frustrated every man.
Speaker B:We haven't talked about Paul yet really, but he's like this naive privilege and Dave is just a self destructive man with unchecked impulses.
Speaker B:But the principal, he is just, he appears authoritative but he's really just a passive enabler.
Speaker B:So I mean there's not a single male figure in this that is a good person.
Speaker D:It's counteracted well by Reese Witherspoon, by Tracy Flick who's very like manipulative and obnoxious and like a spoiled like Brat, like only child.
Speaker D:Like when she finds out that she won and she's jumping around the hallway, or when she like rips the sign and pitches that fit, you know what I mean?
Speaker D:Like, she's just a really like obnoxious, like, flesh crawling kind of character.
Speaker D:And I thought she did a brilliant job playing that.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, I did too.
Speaker C:I think Rhys is amazing in this role.
Speaker C:She totally like the way she just holds her face in this movie.
Speaker C:You can just see so much emotion in it.
Speaker C:And she is a brat and she is manipulative and she is.
Speaker C:She's also like 15, you know, and she's put, you know, the movie kind of puts the men on the level of a 15, 16 year old emotionally.
Speaker C:Like, sure, she can't handle anything, but neither can the adults in the room, which I think is the greater sin, but she's hard to root for sometimes.
Speaker D:I could root for Matthew Broderick's character.
Speaker D:I just felt that he made some poor decisions, but I definitely hear that.
Speaker D:I also think when he throws out the two votes, why did he put them in the trash?
Speaker D:If he had pocketed those, he would have been scot free.
Speaker D:He could have gotten his life back together.
Speaker D:I hate it when that happens to him.
Speaker B:Well, I actually done a real 180 on a lot of this because I think Matthew Broderick, Jim's character is set up to be like the protagonist in this, but he just sinks lower and lower, becomes more pathetic and there's nothing really redeeming about him.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:We have.
Speaker B:His marriage is a disaster.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:His.
Speaker B:He's trying to convince himself that he is a good teacher and he has a good job.
Speaker B:But is he convincing himself or is he convincing us?
Speaker B:And I think it's even under my underlined at the very end.
Speaker B:We haven't even gotten to the end, but like, we should later on because he's teaching.
Speaker B:He's not.
Speaker B:He says he's a teacher at the end of this movie and he's proud of that, but he's not teaching.
Speaker B:He's a glory.
Speaker B:He's giving tours at a museum.
Speaker D:That's the perfect example of like Alexander Payne because he presents characters that you think, okay, oh, he's going to be the protagonist.
Speaker D:But then he has falls into these pathetic, like, flawed.
Speaker D:Like the characters like that are in Sideways or about Schmidt.
Speaker D:They're these people who are.
Speaker D:They're really like, when I say three dimensional, they're very like, really flawed, you know, or like when he gets like stung by the bee and he's all like pathetic.
Speaker D:It's like, oh, gosh.
Speaker C:And who have opinions of themselves that directly, like diametrically oppose their day to day actions.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:You can be sympathetic towards someone who's stuck in a rut with their career, who's stuck in a rut with their marriage.
Speaker C:But then he finds out his friend is raping a student.
Speaker C:He sleeps with his friend's wife who left him.
Speaker C:I mean, just.
Speaker C:And somehow he's still painting himself as this kid.
Speaker C:Her running for student body president has ruined my life.
Speaker C:And I don't know that's true.
Speaker B:Well, I agree.
Speaker B:Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker D:I don't think he has the emotional intelligence.
Speaker D:I don't.
Speaker D:I think that with everything going on, he's like, you know what?
Speaker D:I have to put a stop to this obnoxious kid.
Speaker D:He thinks he's doing the right thing, but he can't see what he's done.
Speaker D:He can't see it.
Speaker B:Like, I think my thought is that what's really going on here is that Tracy represents everything that Jim is lacking.
Speaker B:He is a middle aged man.
Speaker B:He's at.
Speaker B:He is working.
Speaker B:He's been at the school for like 12, 13 years.
Speaker B:And he realizes that this is all his life is going to be.
Speaker B:And what's really bothering him is he's jealous.
Speaker B:He sees someone so young, so determined, and he can't stand it because he feels that like he's stuck in his own life, barely keeping things together.
Speaker B:And Tracy's out there making things happen, pushing for what she wants, and Jim's just watching, feeling like he missed his shot.
Speaker B:That's why he's coming down so hard on her.
Speaker B:He's just mad.
Speaker B:He's not just mad about the affair that he had with Dave.
Speaker B:He's threatened by her success in her fearlessness.
Speaker B:She's everything he wishes he could be because he is just a pathetic loser and he's jealous of her.
Speaker C:I think that's a great read.
Speaker C:I do.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker D:He also thinks that she has life handed to her on a silver platter and is trying to like, knock her down a few notches and be like, she has to grow as a person.
Speaker C:I think he does think that.
Speaker C:And I think this movie has every male in it.
Speaker C:There's some like, deeply rooted misogyny in the men in every single man.
Speaker C:Where he's like, oh, Tracy.
Speaker C:Because he says explicitly that, oh, things are easy for her.
Speaker C:She just had this.
Speaker C:She's got it.
Speaker C:She's got to learn to work for it.
Speaker C:If she doesn't, if I don't take away this win from her, then she'll just get everything she wants in life.
Speaker C:And then he goes and picks, like, the captain of the football team, conventionally attractive, popular jock to run against her.
Speaker C:And it's the same thing.
Speaker B:Can we talk about Paul?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Paul Metzler has this opening introduction of narration, and I think the first thing we do is we see him passed out with a copy of the Celestine Prophecy from James Redfield.
Speaker B:I had to look up what this was, but I don't understand why that's the choice, do you?
Speaker D:I miss that.
Speaker D:You just remind me of the fact that in one of the opening shots, I think it was during Matthew Broderick's monologue, he's reading a newspaper and there's a picture of Casper Van Dien from Starship Troopers on the paper.
Speaker D:And I was just wondering, like, what's that doing there?
Speaker B:But, yeah, the Celestine Prophecy is all about spiritual awakening and finder deep, deeper meaning in life.
Speaker B:And I just feel like that couldn't be more out of sync with Paul's laid back, go with the flow personality.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:That's the thing.
Speaker D:All the characters, every character in this movie is flawed.
Speaker D:And their inner monologues are so realistic because you see what everyone's thinking and everyone has these thoughts in real life, but when they don't say it.
Speaker D:So when you hear it out loud in the form of a monologue, it's, like, shocking, but it's hilarious because it's, like, deeply truthful.
Speaker B:I'm guessing that he never even opened a book and fell asleep before he started reading it, is all I could think.
Speaker B:But he is.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:He's so adorable is really what it is.
Speaker B:He's so naive.
Speaker B:He is.
Speaker B:He is one of my two favorite characters in this film.
Speaker B:Is he playing the same character he does in American Pie, though?
Speaker B:Like ostrich or.
Speaker B:I feel like his.
Speaker B:He could be going to the same school, playing the same role.
Speaker B:He's a little bit more naive than the character from American Pie, but I feel like it's pretty much like the same guy.
Speaker D:They were so close together.
Speaker D:I mean, like, American Pie was like, later that summer.
Speaker D:And like, in American Pie, he's a little bit bit more savvy, but it's almost like they.
Speaker D:When he was cast, they were like, we'll cast this type.
Speaker D:Maybe they saw dailies from Election because it was like, who knows?
Speaker C:But yeah, they found him at the high school and chose to cast him for this.
Speaker C:Chose to have him read.
Speaker C:And I think he does a fantastic job with this because he's given a lot to do, but it's all just very, like, earnest.
Speaker C:He's the one character who's really just earnestly trying to do some good.
Speaker D:Yeah, no, exactly.
Speaker D:And I love it when he gives his, like they.
Speaker D:They.
Speaker D:When he gives his speech to.
Speaker D:To want to be the, like, school president, and he just mumbles and he stands there and everyone is silent.
Speaker D:I thought that was really good because it shows that, like, yes, he's an athlete and he's this and that, but, like, his public speaking skills are zero.
Speaker B:Actually.
Speaker B:I thought that it was a terrible speech, but that the, the high school was going to eat it up because usually they don't have very high standards for.
Speaker D:I thought they would too.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:I liked that we got the apathetic sister, which, by the way, that whole B plot where Paul has a lesbian sister, Tammy, who is so good, she feels like the.
Speaker B:Really the only real person in this movie.
Speaker B:I feel like, like, I.
Speaker B:I wouldn't say I necessarily relate to her, but like, she feels like somebody that actually has like, some of.
Speaker B:Actually, I love her ending, like the way that her story is sewn up, but feels like somebody that, like.
Speaker B:I knew that person in school as well.
Speaker D:I didn't know that actor had died.
Speaker D:That was a surprise to me.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:She died at 38.
Speaker B:Jessica Campbell.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:And I read about it.
Speaker D: details, but it was December: Speaker D:I mean, that just.
Speaker D:That's kind of what I read between the lines, but that's tough.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Since we're talking about the speeches, I played the Tammy speech in the opening here.
Speaker B:I still, I love Tammy, though, because what she brings to this, she represents the rebellion, the individuality, and this, like, disillusionment with the system.
Speaker B:And while everyone else is playing by the rules, whether it's Tracy with her obsessiveness or obsessive, you know, she has this ambition and Paul with his cluelessness and Jim just trying to manipulate the system.
Speaker B:Tammy is like the outlier who isn't afraid to call out the charade.
Speaker B:And her speech is like a direct challenge to the idea of student government.
Speaker B:And it's hypocrisy.
Speaker B:And I like that she just sees through that facade.
Speaker C:She's leading the revolution, man.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker C:She really feels like the Gen Xer in this movie.
Speaker B:So, Jim, I.
Speaker B:So there's another.
Speaker B:There's a lot of B plots going on here.
Speaker B:So Jim is in this marriage that is going nowhere.
Speaker B:And there's a scene where he's.
Speaker B:Him and his wife, they talked about, like, trying to have a baby, and they.
Speaker B:There's a really awkward scene where they're making love.
Speaker B:That is.
Speaker B:I have to call this out because it is the gross.
Speaker B:Grossest thing.
Speaker B:So them trying to make a baby.
Speaker B:I felt like was watching two people move a piano.
Speaker B:It was the most awkward thing ever.
Speaker D:I think it was supposed to.
Speaker D:I think it was supposed to be like that because I remember seeing that in the theater and being just like, oh, God.
Speaker B:But this also leads to the fact that Jim begins this friendship with his friend Dave's ex wife because they separated.
Speaker B:Dave's the one that was sleeping with Tracy.
Speaker B:And that just becomes a very awkward situation as well.
Speaker B:Is this a thing, I mean, where husbands start hanging out with the wives friends and go to malls and stuff?
Speaker B:I don't think that's supposed to happen, but so it's weird.
Speaker B:And then on the drive back, he says something that.
Speaker B:It just comes out of left field and says that.
Speaker B:Do you want to get a room?
Speaker B:And at the family motel, Motor lodge.
Speaker B:And I was trying to figure out, is this something that actually was said or was this, like, in his head?
Speaker B:Because he says it.
Speaker C:Oh, it's definitely said.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it was like.
Speaker C:Because there's a call back to it.
Speaker B:Where did this come from?
Speaker B:Because I didn't even think there was much of a.
Speaker B:Was there much of a spark or chemistry?
Speaker C:I don't think that matters to Jim McAllister in his life right now.
Speaker C:I think he is a man who feels adrift and is kind of clinging to anything that's coming into his path.
Speaker C:And the objects of his obsession and desire are floating through his head instead of where the focus should be when he is trying to be with his wife.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:And that's my read on it.
Speaker C:I don't know how you guys feel.
Speaker B:It was just so casually dropped and without.
Speaker D:It did seem like out of nowhere.
Speaker D:I mean, I picked up on the thought.
Speaker D:It was like, whoa, that was a little forward for his character.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:But I don't disagree.
Speaker B:B.
Speaker B:But it just seemed like it was just said without any pretense.
Speaker B:It was like, yeah, is that like, one of those things where, like, it's in his head or something like that?
Speaker B:But no.
Speaker D:And then it's like, you think that there's no.
Speaker D:I sense no sparks whatsoever.
Speaker D:And then there were sparks between them later on.
Speaker D:And then she ratted him out.
Speaker D:So I was like, Well, I guess there were no sparks, but yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't understand the point.
Speaker D:Or she felt guilty.
Speaker B:The motel.
Speaker B:Because didn't they already hook up at her house?
Speaker C:No, not before then, I didn't.
Speaker B:Oh, I thought they did.
Speaker B:I thought they started me.
Speaker B:I thought they started.
Speaker B:I thought they made love at the house.
Speaker D:They hooked up at the house.
Speaker D:And then it was like, hey, let's actually.
Speaker D:Then.
Speaker D:Then she said, meet me at the hotel.
Speaker C:Oh, that's.
Speaker D:And so he got all excited about it and then went to the hotel and like, set it up.
Speaker C:That was after.
Speaker C:After he had made that awkward comment, right?
Speaker D:Yeah, after.
Speaker D:Because they hooked up at the house.
Speaker D:And then.
Speaker D:So he goes there and then that was cringe inducing where he gets there at the 3:30 and then it keeps calling her and calling her and calling her, and you're just like, oh, this.
Speaker B:Is not rubbing the tub in his underwear.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:I felt.
Speaker B:I felt gross.
Speaker B:I felt gross.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, well, anyways, I love the touch that.
Speaker B: Jim drives a blue: Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:It gets the job done, but it's just lacking any shred of excitement or flavor.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker B:Just like.
Speaker B:I like Next life.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I like his.
Speaker C:His dream car, though, because, God, haven't we all had that moment where we feel like we're driving something cooler than we actually are?
Speaker B:I thought it was Freddy back in, you know, from tell the Mr.
Speaker B:Ripley.
Speaker C:Oh, God, Freddy.
Speaker C:He's another perv.
Speaker C:I don't miss so much.
Speaker C:Yeah, I just.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker C:So I was kind of wondering if that offhand remark that he made about the motel was kind of like how his colleague Dave really descended and then started that awful harassment of Tracy.
Speaker C:I wonder if this is kind of like the more McAllister deals with Tracy, his descent into craziness.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker D:And I think Dave is too stupid to realize that he was harassing Tracy.
Speaker D:I think he was like, just like, oh, we're actually in love.
Speaker D:Like, he's just.
Speaker C:I've definitely known that guy who just lying to himself.
Speaker B:And then.
Speaker D:I love it when it, like, cuts to where they are in the future.
Speaker D:It just shows him, like, punching, like.
Speaker D:And I was just.
Speaker D:I laughed out loud at that moment because I was like, exactly.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, totally.
Speaker C:And like, I do think Tracy's a victim in this movie, and I think he's an idiot.
Speaker C:And like, it's.
Speaker C:There is something to be said about privilege in this movie.
Speaker C:And how people use it and manipulate it, whether knowingly or not.
Speaker C:Which to your point, Sam, I think that's a great take.
Speaker D:No, exactly.
Speaker D:Including her.
Speaker D:When she like threatens his Matthew Broderick's career.
Speaker D:And it's like.
Speaker D:And if a certain someone knew, a certain lawyer that I would report this two guys out, it's like, oh yeah, but.
Speaker C:And she'd be in the right.
Speaker C:But for me, her moment is when she tears down the posters and she's about to be caught for it.
Speaker C:And then Tammy takes the blame for it and she's like, yeah, sure, it was Tammy.
Speaker C:How dare you.
Speaker C:Look at you.
Speaker D:It really bothers me that Tammy takes the blame for that.
Speaker D:Like, I understand why, but I'm like, why?
Speaker D:It just that.
Speaker D:That got to me.
Speaker B:She wanted to go to another school.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:You mentioned something a moment ago, B, that Tracy is a victim.
Speaker B:And I wholeheartedly agree.
Speaker B:And this was.
Speaker B:I didn't finish my point from before where I used to.
Speaker B:I flip flop on this where you know, originally I watched this is like, oh, poor Jim McAllister, poor Matthew Broderick.
Speaker B:But I have very little pity for him watching this time around.
Speaker B:And I actually have a lot more sympathy for Tracy.
Speaker B:I don't necessarily see her as a villain in this.
Speaker B:I do see her as a victim.
Speaker B:I see.
Speaker B:It's strange because I can't help but see her as a child in a teenager throughout this film.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker B:We never actually see the affair, the, the that interaction with that affair with Dave because there's abuse in this.
Speaker B:There's statutory rape on the.
Speaker B:But it doesn't happen on screen.
Speaker B:And as I'm watching this, I still see this young, innocent, yet very driven go getter who's got these teenage qualities.
Speaker B:She's vulnerable.
Speaker B:But I don't see someone at the same time who would be easily manipulated into something that, that Dave is offering.
Speaker B:And I, I do struggle with this.
Speaker B:I don't see her as someone who's desperate.
Speaker B:I don't see her.
Speaker B:She seems smart and confident and that's.
Speaker C:Why she's also alone though.
Speaker C:And I think that move, I think the movie makes a point of that.
Speaker B:It tries to, it does make that point that she is alone.
Speaker B:She was only child and she has this weird relationship with her mom.
Speaker B:But I, this is my personal opinion, but my feelings.
Speaker B:But I had a hard time buying into that.
Speaker B:The character that is presented to me in this movie is somebody that being Tracy would be somebody that would fall victim to what day who this, this Dave character, she seems way Too together and driven and smart.
Speaker B:This is not someone who is.
Speaker B:Has like.
Speaker B:And there's no.
Speaker C:I know so many women.
Speaker C:I mean, this is.
Speaker B:There's not a shred of sexuality to her either.
Speaker C:It doesn't.
Speaker C:I've known so many.
Speaker C:I mean, my lived experience in high school.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:Like, I've known so many young ambitious women who would.
Speaker C:Of course, because this is a person.
Speaker C:Tracy's ambitious.
Speaker C:This is a person in position of power.
Speaker C:She's a go getter who thinks she's heads and shoulders above her peers in intelligence and ambition, what she can do.
Speaker C:And now here's someone who's in that position who affirms that for her, who says, yes, you are.
Speaker C:And Tracy has all of these qualities that are teenager and shitty and manipulative and all these things, but she's a kid and the adults can't.
Speaker C:Are on the same emotional level as her and can't guide her in a better direction.
Speaker C:They're all going down a destructive path and dealing with them worse than she is, which is just bananas.
Speaker B:I agree with you.
Speaker B:Be there.
Speaker B:I have known, of course, people like that as well.
Speaker B:But this version, this person that I'm seeing, at least what we're seeing on screen, they talk about that she is that this is who she is, but I don't see it.
Speaker B:And maybe because they don't show what happened with her and Dave, we don't see her being sexual.
Speaker B:We don't see her being.
Speaker B:I don't see her being that manipulative either.
Speaker B:I mean, except for her, like threatening Jim when he comes at her like, did you steal these posters where she really is.
Speaker B:Turns on him like.
Speaker B:Well, in that.
Speaker B:In his office, which I don't even think is all that bad.
Speaker B:What she said.
Speaker B:I didn't find her to be that terrible a person.
Speaker B:I find her just to be very smart and ambitious.
Speaker B:And I don't really now see her as a villain at all.
Speaker D:I don't think she's been meant to seen as a villain, but I do think she is meant to be seen as very obnoxious with her personality, but it's not villainous.
Speaker D:She's just very like.
Speaker C:She's a lot.
Speaker D:Yeah, she's.
Speaker D:Yeah, she's.
Speaker B:She is a lot.
Speaker D:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker D:And I also don't think.
Speaker D:I don't think the movie roots for Matthew Broderick and I don't root for him, but.
Speaker D:But I think the point is that the whole point of the movie is that good people can screw up.
Speaker D:You know what I mean?
Speaker D:Like it's like, I mean, and so Matthew Broderick is like.
Speaker D:You kind of like him, but he's also flawed and he gets himself into this ridiculous mess.
Speaker D:So it's like everyone is kind of.
Speaker D:There's no, no one comes out of this film a hero.
Speaker D:It's just like humanity.
Speaker D:Humanity is.
Speaker D:Humanity is a mess.
Speaker C:That's so true.
Speaker C:Yeah, I, Yeah, I love the Tracy character.
Speaker C:I mean, I really do.
Speaker C:And I love that she's just unabashedly going for what she wants.
Speaker C:I do wonder if the intention is to be a little bit ambiguous around how far her ambitions will go.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah, definitely.
Speaker D:I think so.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Which for me, I just, I don't read that part that way.
Speaker C:I, I do see her as the victim, but yeah, she's.
Speaker D:She's just also with her mom too.
Speaker D:You see how bad her mom is when her daughter's crying and her mom is like, well, maybe this is the reason why you screwed up.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:Or this is the reason and it's like, oh, okay, so you're one of those, like, push, pushy, like moms.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Only thing that she.
Speaker B:The only thing that she does that would be kind of contemptible would be that she tore down the posters and kind of a fit of rage and who really cares, honestly?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:When she's.
Speaker D:She's an only child too, there.
Speaker B:She has a little temper tantrum.
Speaker B:That's the only thing that really, I could like, yeah, you know, that is not the nicest thing to do.
Speaker B:But she doesn't really do anything other than being kind of a little much and a little annoying here and there.
Speaker C:So I think that's what makes her such a funny foil for the Pogger character who's objectively doing really shitty things over and over again.
Speaker D:I don't, I don't think the movie sees her as a villain either.
Speaker D:I think Alexander Payne, I agree, is presenting all these characters with their flaws, throwing them into a melting pot.
Speaker D:And it's basically like, look what happens when you get all these different personalities together.
Speaker D:It makes for one hell of an entertaining, character driven film.
Speaker C:I totally agree, Sam.
Speaker C:It was hard for me to, when I first watched this movie a while ago, now really understand why people hated Tracy so much.
Speaker C:Because to me, the movie is very clear that it doesn't hate Tracy and it doesn't really hate anybody.
Speaker C:But it especially doesn't make Tracy out to be a villain, I don't think.
Speaker C:No, but it's.
Speaker C: I think just thinking back to: Speaker C:And culturally, you know how it was for women and ambitious women.
Speaker C:I think she got compared to Clinton.
Speaker C:Even, like, later years later, she was still compared to Hillary Clinton.
Speaker D:Oh, that's right.
Speaker B:Speaking of real politics, politicians, this is Barack Obama's favorite movie about elections or politics.
Speaker B:I was reading.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, it is the best one, so.
Speaker C:Yeah, right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why don't we just mention quickly a little bit our thoughts on the ending of this?
Speaker B:Because it was changed also after test audiences did not like the original ending.
Speaker D:What was the original ending?
Speaker B:The original ending.
Speaker B:Jim is a used car salesman after he gets fired and he bumps into Tracy and they reconcile and he signs her yearbook.
Speaker B:Oh, this did not go.
Speaker C:I don't like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:So obviously that's out of character too.
Speaker D:He would.
Speaker D:He wouldn't.
Speaker D:They wouldn't reconcile.
Speaker D:She would.
Speaker D:She would not reconcile with him.
Speaker D:He would not reconcile with her.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker B:I do appreciate the change in this because I think it's better because as Jim gets lower and lower and more despicable, as this movie goes, he actually.
Speaker B:It's topped off by the most childish move of the entire film for him out of.
Speaker B:I feel like pure jealousy.
Speaker B:He sees her working for some politician, some representative in a Republican, by the.
Speaker C:Way, which I think is a very funny nod.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:And he throws his Big Gulp at the car as he's driving away and he scurries off like a weasel.
Speaker D:And his voice over there is great.
Speaker B:This is easily the lowest point of the whole movie for him.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I love his voice over there, too, because he's, like, tried to compose himself.
Speaker D:He's like, I wish her the best, but how does she get there?
Speaker B:What?
Speaker D:And then his, like, anger grows up.
Speaker D:He's like, who the does she think she is?
Speaker D:And you're just like, ah.
Speaker D:So there's his.
Speaker D:The truth is coming out in his character.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He's not healed at all.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:No, not at all.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:Oil and water, those two.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:It's such a good movie, man.
Speaker C:Alexander Payne, that guy.
Speaker C:Keep making movies.
Speaker C:Glad I rewatched the Holdovers.
Speaker B: t a documentary coming out in: Speaker B:He's.
Speaker B:I don't think he's done a doc before.
Speaker C:I heard they're making a part two.
Speaker C:Two elections.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:You know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, that's been kicking around for a long time, but I hope directed by him.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker D:That would be.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:I think that'd be really fun.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I would love to see that.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:I wanted.
Speaker D:I mean, there's.
Speaker D:There's three Sideways novels.
Speaker D:I wanted him to do the other two movies, but I can understand why he did, because it's lightning in a bottle and it's impossible to recapture that.
Speaker D:I totally understand it.
Speaker D:I just.
Speaker D:I'll put it this way.
Speaker D:I sympathize way more with Paul Giamatti's character than.
Speaker D:Because he's flawed and.
Speaker D:But he's not a morally bad.
Speaker D:He's just a depressed, like, neurotic.
Speaker D:Like, could work harder on his novel, but yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's more self destructive than he is outwardly destructive.
Speaker C:The Broderick character feels destructive.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:And the br.
Speaker D:And the destructiveness of the Broderick character sneaks up.
Speaker D:Like, you don't.
Speaker D:He does things worse and worse, and you're like, wait a minute, he just interfered in the election.
Speaker D:Like you.
Speaker D:That's like.
Speaker D:That he's doing.
Speaker D:He thinks that he's the good guy, but he's not.
Speaker D:And that becomes clearer later on.
Speaker D:You're just like, oh, my God, he really crossed the line.
Speaker D:And Dave is just a whacked out idiot from the beginning.
Speaker D:The second Dave speaks at the beginning, you're like, oh, don't like this guy at all.
Speaker C:Right, right.
Speaker C:And they're in a ban together in his basement.
Speaker C:You know, like, it's just all just gross.
Speaker C:It's just gross.
Speaker C:But, yeah, like, just wonderful, intricate portraits of people muddling through the world together.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker B:All right, shall we take a break and come back with our final thoughts, our rating and vault decision.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker B:Napoleon, this is Pedro.
Speaker B:Would you mind showing him where his locker is?
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's, like a buttload of gangs at this school.
Speaker B:This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with the BO staff.
Speaker B:Did you ride the bus to school?
Speaker B:No, I ride my bike.
Speaker B:What kind of bike do you have?
Speaker B:It's a sledgehammer.
Speaker B:Dang, you got shot pegs.
Speaker B:Lucky.
Speaker B:You ever take it off any sweet jumps?
Speaker B:You got, like, three feet of air that time.
Speaker B:Can I try it really quick?
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Speaker B:Okay, we're going to do our final thoughts on this and our rating.
Speaker B:Who wants to go first here?
Speaker B:Sam, thank you for volunteering.
Speaker D:I actually was just about to volunteer because I usually always avoid.
Speaker D:I would give this movie four stars and I would say 100% yes to the Vault.
Speaker B:Okay, Bea, why don't you jump in there?
Speaker B:What are your final thoughts, your rating and your vault decision?
Speaker C:Love this movie.
Speaker C:Love Tracy.
Speaker C:Flick.
Speaker C:I'll pick flick any day.
Speaker C:Four and a half for me.
Speaker C:And get out of the vault.
Speaker C:We need some.
Speaker C:We need something funny to watch while we're in there.
Speaker C:Can't just be Yakuza all the time, guys.
Speaker C:Yakuza.
Speaker D:We only knew each other an hour.
Speaker B:I'll expand just a tad before I give my rating.
Speaker B:I think this movie is a real oddity.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I know it has a devote following and I respect the film on a level where its quirkiness and bizarre tone are constantly playing this tug of war both with laugh out loud lines of dialogue, but also some extremely dark themes with infidelity and statutory rape between a student and a teacher and that ping pongs between these types of themes with this real laid back attitude that honestly you're either on board with or you're not.
Speaker B:For me, I laughed out loud a decent amount of this film and I like digging into this movie for the podcast, but I have to say I don't.
Speaker B:Didn't take a lot of pleasure in watches.
Speaker B:I feel really awkward watching this movie.
Speaker B:It's almost kind of like watching the film Happiness, which is a much darker film.
Speaker D:Oh, I like this so much better than Happiness.
Speaker D:Sorry.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love.
Speaker B:I like Happiness.
Speaker B:I feel that pit in my stomach while I watch it.
Speaker B:Like I'm watching just miserable people do miserable things.
Speaker B:That's a much more extreme version.
Speaker B:But I get a similar kind of vibe out of this that it's almost like it's pointing in that direction.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:And it might also.
Speaker B:Because I have a hard time relating to anybody in this movie also.
Speaker B:So I had a hard time vibing with this.
Speaker B:I'm still giving this 3.3 and a half out of five stars.
Speaker B:So it's just, it's not Even on my upper tier, Alexander Payne, that it's probably six.
Speaker B:Six.
Speaker B:There's because I like so many of his other movies a little bit more.
Speaker B:But this is a director I adore.
Speaker B:So even like bad, even like middling, Alexander Payne is still really good.
Speaker B:I'm saying no.
Speaker B:And it's not my favorite pains and but because you two have already said yes, it does go into the vault.
Speaker C:Nice.
Speaker D:I realized that in my review and the vault I forgot to actually like give the final word review.
Speaker D:But just go back and listen to the podcast again and everything I said before is part of the final review.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker B:Perfectly fine.
Speaker B:Keeps things nice and tight.
Speaker B:I forgot to mention the top of the show which I keep.
Speaker B:I need to do because that way people know what's to come.
Speaker B:But we've got a really exciting segment that we're about to transition to.
Speaker B:You must choose.
Speaker D:Choose wisely.
Speaker B:You take the red pill.
Speaker B:You stay in wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole.
Speaker B:I reprogram the SO simulation.
Speaker B:So it was possible to rescue the ship.
Speaker B:Yeah, he cheated.
Speaker D:I don't like to lose.
Speaker D:Kobayashi Maru in the house.
Speaker B: refore we are going to have a: Speaker B:Woohoo.
Speaker B:Do it, Sam.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker D:Woo.
Speaker B:I should have had the clip queued up.
Speaker B:If you remember, a year ago, we did this for.
Speaker B: With a: Speaker B:So I think this would be pretty cool.
Speaker B:The whole idea of this is that we can.
Speaker B:We draft films.
Speaker B:We can.
Speaker B:If a film has been drafted, it is.
Speaker B:Nobody else can draft it.
Speaker B:Okay, so we have our order set.
Speaker B:It is going.
Speaker B:We're doing 10 rounds.
Speaker B:The order is going to be Sam, then B, then myself.
Speaker B:Snake order.
Speaker B:So that means that it wraps around Sam gets the first pick because the second pick, I get the third pick.
Speaker B:But then I get the fourth pick as well.
Speaker B:And we just keep wrapping around until we do 10 rounds.
Speaker B:All right, is everyone ready?
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Let the games begin.
Speaker B:Sam, to you.
Speaker B: s your number one pick in the: Speaker D:The Blair Witch.
Speaker C:Damn it.
Speaker D:I love that film.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker D:Still terrifies me.
Speaker D:Actually.
Speaker C:I made Tom watch it for the first time.
Speaker B:Oh really?
Speaker D:I don't know why it works so well, to be honest.
Speaker D:There's so many other movies that try to do that thing and.
Speaker D:But it really scares me.
Speaker C:It's scary.
Speaker B:Did you when you saw it for the first time, did you see in the theater for the first time?
Speaker D:Saw it in the theater, yeah.
Speaker C:Did you think it was real?
Speaker D:No, I never thought it was real.
Speaker D:I just was so impressed by it.
Speaker D:And I remember coming home to my home in Massachusetts and, like, listening to the crickets in the woods and just being kind of like, in the world of the movie still.
Speaker B:The theater that I saw in their.
Speaker B:I think their air conditioner or their central air had died, and it was about 110 degrees.
Speaker B:It was rough.
Speaker B:Watch it.
Speaker C:Is rough.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That good.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Open strong.
Speaker B:Be.
Speaker B:What is your number one pick?
Speaker C:Ghost Dog by Jim Jarush.
Speaker B:You went early for that.
Speaker B:I knew you were going to take it.
Speaker C:It's one of my favorites.
Speaker C:I got to have it.
Speaker C:By the way, if no one's seen it, watch it.
Speaker C:One of the best soundtracks, one of the coolest movies, incredible performances.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I have my second and third pick.
Speaker B:Well, my top tier, I had two movies, and I get them both, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker B:I'm going with the Matrix and for the first round.
Speaker B:And right after that, I'm taking.
Speaker B:I'm just gonna take Fight Club right after that.
Speaker C:Oh, you can have it.
Speaker C:So I'm next?
Speaker B:You are next.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:I'm sticking with the kind of indie feel, but it's just true to me.
Speaker C:One of my favorite 99 movies.
Speaker C:Kind of in the same vein as Election I'm doing, but I'm a cheerleader.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:That movie's so funny.
Speaker B:I haven't seen it.
Speaker B:We talked about.
Speaker B:Didn't we talk about doing that for June?
Speaker C:Yeah, we did.
Speaker C:It's great.
Speaker C:You can watch it any time of year, though, and it's still good.
Speaker B:Sam, you have two picks to use.
Speaker B:Second and third round.
Speaker D:Second and third round.
Speaker D:One is the Insider.
Speaker B:Oh.
Speaker D:If you light up, you're gonna get your fix.
Speaker D:And let's see.
Speaker D:And well, two would be Magnolia.
Speaker C:That was on my list.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I'm excited to talk about Magnolia with you guys.
Speaker C:It's gonna be so fun.
Speaker D:That'd be fun.
Speaker C:Well, fun might be strong.
Speaker C:It's gonna be something.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker C:For me, my third pick, because I just want to get movies with endlessly hot people is the Mummy.
Speaker B:The Mummy?
Speaker B:Mummy.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's a movie I haven't seen in 20 years, and I always felt like it was so derivative of, like, the Indiana Jones films.
Speaker B:Do you feel that way now, now that you've seen that franchise?
Speaker C:Yeah, probably, but I saw it first, so I don't care.
Speaker D:You know, the Mummy's a lot of fun.
Speaker D:It's a fun.
Speaker C:It's so fun.
Speaker C:And like I said, and I cannot stress this enough, everybody in that movie is hot.
Speaker C:Rachel Weiss, hot.
Speaker C:Brendan Fraser, hot.
Speaker C:This is important.
Speaker B:I have two picks here, so I am going with maybe my favorite Spike Jonze movie, being John Malkovich.
Speaker B:That is going to.
Speaker B:Me.
Speaker B:I love this film, although I haven't seen it in ages.
Speaker B:And like, every.
Speaker B:I keep thinking, like, I gotta watch it again.
Speaker B:I gotta watch again.
Speaker B:It's probably been again, another 20 years since I've seen it.
Speaker B:But it.
Speaker B:I had such a good time seeing this, and I think it changed movies.
Speaker B:Like, I've never seen anything quite like it before.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And I have another pick going into this is.
Speaker B:We just closed out the third round.
Speaker B:This is going to be the beginning of the fourth round.
Speaker B:And I don't know if anybody else had this on their list, but this next movie, I think, changed indie action going forward and launched this guy's career.
Speaker B:I'm going with Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels.
Speaker C:Oh, that's a cool pick.
Speaker B:Guy Ritchie.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Not as good as Snatch, but set the tone for his entire career.
Speaker B:A lot of fun.
Speaker B:And Jason Statham launched his career as well.
Speaker B:Fourth round.
Speaker B:Fourth pick will be going to you.
Speaker C:Well, I'm torn because there's two that are, like, super tied for me here.
Speaker C:But unlike you guys, I don't get to pick two at once.
Speaker C:I only get to pick one at once.
Speaker C:I'm going Virgin Suicides.
Speaker B:That was on my next.
Speaker B:My third suck.
Speaker C:Nathan.
Speaker B:I love Virgin Suicides.
Speaker C:It's a great movie.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's Sophia.
Speaker C:She's got something, you know.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Sam, this is closing out the fourth round and the start of the fifth round.
Speaker B:So what is your fourth pick?
Speaker D:The Thomas Crown Affair.
Speaker C:I have not seen that movie in for, like, I don't even.
Speaker C:I haven't seen that movie as an adult.
Speaker C:I just remember seeing that movie, like, on TV when other adults in the room watched it.
Speaker C:I've got to give that a real shake.
Speaker D:Yeah, it enjoyed it.
Speaker C:What's your fifth round pick?
Speaker B:Fifth round pick.
Speaker B:Sam.
Speaker D:Oh, me again.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Spoiled for choice.
Speaker D:Hold on one second.
Speaker D:Five, four.
Speaker D:I'm gonna go with.
Speaker D:Because it's so interesting to me, I'm gonna go with the 13th Warrior.
Speaker C:Never even heard of that.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I don't like that movie.
Speaker D:John McTiernan.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm Antonio Banderas.
Speaker B:I remember this.
Speaker B:I remember this movie.
Speaker C:Bringing out the Dead.
Speaker C:Scorsese and Schrader.
Speaker B:Bring in the dead.
Speaker B:Bring out the dead.
Speaker C:Bring the dead.
Speaker C:Bring out the dead.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Good don't confuse me.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:I'm writing shorthand on my good pick.
Speaker B:That was on my list.
Speaker B:You stole it.
Speaker B:You stole it.
Speaker C:Once again, Nathan, we're aligned.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:I was hoping that would, I would snatch that one.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:This could be recency bias, but I had such a good time last week talking about the talented Mr.
Speaker B:Ripley.
Speaker C:I had that in mind.
Speaker B:I, I, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take that one.
Speaker B:Talented Mr.
Speaker B:Ripley.
Speaker B:Such a good movie.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I wanna, it was beautiful.
Speaker C:It was so fun to be back in that world.
Speaker B:I'm gonna take that as the last.
Speaker B:My fifth pick, fifth round.
Speaker B:I have another one here and trying to figure out I still have another film on my, my second tier, which I don't think anyone's gonna take.
Speaker B:So I have to kind of strategize here.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:I'm gonna, I'm gonna chance it that it's gonna hang around for another round or two.
Speaker B:I am going to, I'm looking.
Speaker B:What have I got?
Speaker B:Do I have.
Speaker B:I've, I feel like I got a lot of serious.
Speaker B:I don't have a lot of fun.
Speaker B:I mean, like, I got a lot of hardcore movies.
Speaker C:Nathan, make a choice.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I am going to go with a comedy because I need some fun in my life.
Speaker B:I got a lot of serious movies here.
Speaker B:I'm going Office Space.
Speaker C:Damn it.
Speaker C:Fine.
Speaker C:I'm in protest.
Speaker C:I'm not.
Speaker C:All right?
Speaker C:I'm torn between two animated films, but hopefully it'll work out.
Speaker C:I can have both.
Speaker C:I'm going to go for now with Princess Mononoke.
Speaker B:Oh, I totally forgot that came out in 99.
Speaker B:Great.
Speaker B:That is actually my favorite.
Speaker B:Miyazaki.
Speaker C:So it's up there.
Speaker B:Sam, sixth pick.
Speaker D:Galaxy Quest.
Speaker C:Hell yeah.
Speaker C:Hell yeah.
Speaker C:Hey, if you like Galaxy Quest, you should come out on January 10th.
Speaker B:Have we talked about this?
Speaker B:We have a live event.
Speaker B:Our 100th episode.
Speaker B:January 10th, Weston Art and Innovation Center, 6 to 10pm we'll be there.
Speaker B:Special guest prizes.
Speaker B:So much fun.
Speaker C:So much fun.
Speaker B:Be there.
Speaker B:Check our website, check our socials for more information.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Sam started the seventh round.
Speaker D:Sleepy Hollow.
Speaker C:Solid.
Speaker C:Re.
Speaker C:Watched it this year for Halloween.
Speaker C:So fun.
Speaker C:Holds up.
Speaker C:All right, it's back to me.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker C:That's so hard.
Speaker C:I'm gonna go with a movie I saw on TV 700 times.
Speaker C:The green Mile.
Speaker B:I want to revisit it.
Speaker B:Every time I think about putting that on, I look at the three hour great movie and I'm like, I gotta, like, power through And I haven't done it.
Speaker B:I loved it when I saw it in the theater.
Speaker C:I saw it 800 times, and it's just so sad that I almost never want to rewatch it.
Speaker C:But it was one of those.
Speaker C:That and the Shawshank Redemption were just playing for me all the time.
Speaker B:7Th pick.
Speaker B:I only got.
Speaker B:I got four movies left here.
Speaker B:I gotta really think this through.
Speaker B:Oof.
Speaker B:I got a comedy last time.
Speaker B:I feel like any more fun, I'm gonna.
Speaker B:But this is not gonna be a fun pick.
Speaker B:This can be actually a movie that is one of my favorite Spike Lee movies, which I really dig, and that is Summer of Sam.
Speaker C:I've never seen that one.
Speaker B:I really love this movie.
Speaker B:And it's the movie that I think I consider to be Adrian Brody's breakout as well.
Speaker B:I discovered him and it's not a very big role for him, but he is fantastic in it.
Speaker B:It's really, really great.
Speaker B:I think it's very underrated.
Speaker B:I'm guessing nobody was going to take it, and maybe I took it too early, but.
Speaker B:All right, so Summer Sam, next up.
Speaker B:There's only other one other animated movie on here.
Speaker B:I have to take Toy Story 2 because it is a fantastic Pixar movie and I want a little animation.
Speaker B:I want some more comedy.
Speaker B:Want some more fun on my list.
Speaker B:I'm going with Toy Story 2.
Speaker B:Really good Pixar movie.
Speaker C:It's a great movie.
Speaker C:Yeah, that was not my animated movie, but yeah, that's a great one.
Speaker B:But you took the Mononoke one, so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Eighth round.
Speaker C:So I got three more.
Speaker C:Eight, nine, ten.
Speaker C:I'm gonna go with Run Lola Run.
Speaker B:I saw that in the theater at the Nickelodeon in Boston.
Speaker B:Great pick.
Speaker B:Great pick.
Speaker B:I love.
Speaker C:I love that movie.
Speaker C:Yeah, super fun.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Sam, it is the eighth round.
Speaker B:You got two picks here.
Speaker B:Eighth and ninth round.
Speaker D:Okay, I'm gonna go with October sky and.
Speaker D:Oh, man, I'm gonna get slammed for this one.
Speaker B:It's coming.
Speaker B:Phantom Menace, right?
Speaker D:No, no.
Speaker D:This movie's a guilty pleasure and.
Speaker D:But I.
Speaker D:Here we go.
Speaker D:Here we go.
Speaker D:Bicentennial man.
Speaker C:I thought about it.
Speaker B:U, G, L, Y.
Speaker B:I guess I.
Speaker B:I have never seen it.
Speaker D:I love it and I love the Celine Dion song and I just suck it and it got terrible reviews, but I highly enjoy it.
Speaker D:Was that.
Speaker D:So that was.
Speaker D:Did that take me up to.
Speaker D:That was eight and nine for me, right?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Eight and nine.
Speaker B:We are up to B for her ninth round pick.
Speaker D:Let me guess, the wing commander.
Speaker D:Just kidding.
Speaker C:Analyze this.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Fun, Fun movie.
Speaker C:Fun.
Speaker C:Comedy.
Speaker B:It's a comedy.
Speaker C:Like, when the guy mispronounces consolidi, it's fun.
Speaker B:It is a comedy.
Speaker C:You're like, technically, it's a film.
Speaker B:Okay, how do I want to wrap.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:See, this is the thing.
Speaker B:Now I got two.
Speaker B:I gotta, like, wrap up my whole list with these two picks.
Speaker B:And I want to be.
Speaker B:I want my list to be well rounded, and I feel like it's not equally weighted, but I don't know.
Speaker B:There's two.
Speaker B:There's a movie here I really love, but it kind of falls into a lot of the themes of other things.
Speaker B:Really heavy dramas in here.
Speaker B:I need an action movie.
Speaker B:Well, I have Matrix.
Speaker B:I have Fight Club.
Speaker B:I need.
Speaker B:Okay, I'm gonna go a little deeper into my list and grab something kind of just silly, stupid.
Speaker B:But it's a movie that is a guilty pleasure for me, that I can't.
Speaker B:Not anytime I see it on tv.
Speaker B:I have to stop what I'm doing and watch it because it is just so stupid and so much fun.
Speaker B:And it's Deep Lucy.
Speaker C:I almost put that on mine.
Speaker C:That's a great movie.
Speaker B:And it actually is, like, a really low tier on mine, but it was so much fun.
Speaker B:Fun.
Speaker B:So I am going, is it Deep Lucy or the Deep Lucy?
Speaker B:I forget.
Speaker B:But just Deep Blue Sea, because there is the Deep Blue Sea, which is a completely different film, which came out around the same time.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So that's my ninth pick and my final pick.
Speaker B:I gotta think here.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:There's some big ones still on here.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:And I realized.
Speaker B:I feel like the stakes should be that if I don't pick these movies, I will never watch these other ones.
Speaker B:I'm looking at it that way.
Speaker C:Mm.
Speaker B:All right, I'm gonna.
Speaker C:Here's what Disney Channel original movie Johnny Tsunami.
Speaker C:Is that what you're thinking?
Speaker B:This is what I'm.
Speaker B:This is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:I'm gonna pick what I feel is the second best.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So, Sam, you took the best Pierce Brosnan movie of that year, but I'm gonna take the second best Pierce Brosnan movie of that year, and that is the second best James Bond entry, and that is the World Is Not Enough.
Speaker B:I think it's a one of.
Speaker B:I think it's the second best one, and it's a really good James Bond movie after goldeneye.
Speaker B:So I'm gonna take the World Is Not Enough.
Speaker D:I revisit Tomorrow Never dies about 12 million times.
Speaker D:For some reason.
Speaker B:That's when I don't But I love that one.
Speaker D:I wait.
Speaker B:I get the world.
Speaker B:Wait.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Tomorrow Never Die.
Speaker B:The World is not.
Speaker B:No, I am Right.
Speaker B:I like this one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:The World is Not Enough is the.
Speaker D:One with Tomorrow Never Dies is with.
Speaker D:With Michelle Yeoh and.
Speaker D:And Jonathan Price is the villain.
Speaker D:I love that one.
Speaker B:I think that one's.
Speaker B:I think the World is Not Enough is.
Speaker C:I've never seen this movie that you guys are talking.
Speaker B:We're gonna have to do a Bond retrospect.
Speaker C:Oh, that would be so long.
Speaker B:Not like all of them.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Maybe more.
Speaker B:More.
Speaker B:Vember.
Speaker C:Maybe.
Speaker D:Nathan, Re, I don't expect you to like it better than the World is Not Enough, but revisit.
Speaker D:To revisit Tomorrow Never Dies once.
Speaker B:And I watched it in the theater.
Speaker B:I watched it again, like, a couple years later on at home.
Speaker B:And is that the one that has to do with, like, a newspaper?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I see.
Speaker D:Interestingly, I prefer that one to Denise Richards.
Speaker D:Really bothers me in the World Is Not Enough.
Speaker D:I mean, she's okay, but she's just like.
Speaker D:Yeah, I hear you, though.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker D:Critics liked it.
Speaker D:I mean.
Speaker B:Yeah, I wanted some variety.
Speaker B:B.
Speaker C:It sounds like a pretty flatline pick.
Speaker C:I'm torn between two.
Speaker C:Do I get.
Speaker C:Do I announce what they both are and give you two the power to decide?
Speaker B:Because you want to give us.
Speaker B:We can pick for you.
Speaker C:Yeah, maybe.
Speaker C:Election.
Speaker C:I do just love this movie of our 99s.
Speaker C:This is a movie that I just could go back to again and again.
Speaker C:Or Buena Vista Social Club because I love having some vim, so I could do either.
Speaker B:I don't know how to pick between those.
Speaker B:Those are like.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:They're totally different.
Speaker C:They're totally different vibes.
Speaker C:Let's go with election recency vibes.
Speaker B:Here's what I will say.
Speaker B:I have not seen the movie Buena Visa Social Club, but I've listened to the soundtrack so many times.
Speaker B:Yeah, I love the music, but I've never seen the actual film.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I like the soundtrack more than the movie Election.
Speaker B:I'll tell you that.
Speaker C:I love the movie Election.
Speaker C:I think I'm gonna pick flick.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Just had to work it out with you guys.
Speaker B:Election is your 10th and final pick.
Speaker B: ou have the final pick of our: Speaker B:Johnny Tsunami, Kansas, Phantom Menace is still out there.
Speaker D:Three Kings.
Speaker C:Like the six cents and three Kings.
Speaker B:Three Kings.
Speaker B:I think you're gonna go like, end of days or.
Speaker B:Come on.
Speaker B:Three Kings.
Speaker B:That's a good.
Speaker C:I'm surprised neither of you did either of you do any given Sunday?
Speaker D:Oh, that movie.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:All right.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It's on my fifth or sixth tier.
Speaker D:I have to watch it again.
Speaker D:Yeah, Yeah.
Speaker B:I don't know if it holds up.
Speaker B:I mean, Al Pacino gives a really audacious performance in it, and he's probably.
Speaker B:He's fun in it, but I haven't seen it a while.
Speaker B:The one movie that I kind of danced around that I didn't do was man on the Moon, which is a movie I love.
Speaker D:I love that movie.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I would have picked that.
Speaker D: I Forgot it was: Speaker C:I was thinking about Iron Giant as my second animated.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:I would have picked Tomorrow Never Dies if I could, but that's a 97.
Speaker D:Pierce Brosnan.
Speaker D:It's not 99.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:Good year for movies.
Speaker B:Any other regrets?
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker D:No regrets.
Speaker D:Let the past die.
Speaker D:I kill it if you have to.
Speaker C:There's a lot of fun.
Speaker C:Like, I don't know.
Speaker C:I like my list.
Speaker B:I'm happy with it.
Speaker B:The only thing I told between if I didn't pick Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels, it was either gonna be that or the Boondock Saints.
Speaker B:So that was.
Speaker B:That was my choice.
Speaker B:I think I picked the right one there.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:About Girl, Interrupted, maybe that I was surprised no one went for American Beauty or the Sixth Sense.
Speaker C:Although I'm.
Speaker C:I'm glad no one went for Beauty.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know what?
Speaker B:I feel bad at the time.
Speaker B:I liked American Beauty when it came out.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:And I wonder if.
Speaker B:Is it one of those movies that we're not allowed to like anymore?
Speaker C:I don't think that's a thing.
Speaker C:But I think if you.
Speaker C:If you had a hard time watching Election, maybe don't revisit it for some reason.
Speaker B:Like American Beauty, I was.
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B: Back in: Speaker B:I can't explain why.
Speaker B:It's maybe because I was at the time a big fan of Kevin Spacey.
Speaker B:I thought he was a fantastic actor.
Speaker B:And I think most of the world.
Speaker D:Would agree with you on that at that time.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In hindsight, it is maybe the cringiest movie there is.
Speaker D:What's.
Speaker D:The director is amazing, though.
Speaker D:It's Sam Mendes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Was it Alan Ball or Sam.
Speaker D:It was Sam Mendes.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Why am I thinking Alan Ball?
Speaker B:But you're right.
Speaker B:Sam Mendes.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:I also thought about the Limey.
Speaker B:Really good.
Speaker B:Steven Soderbergh.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Terence Stamp.
Speaker B:Good Revenge movie.
Speaker C:I like Turn Stamp.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker C:Who doesn't?
Speaker B: think that that concludes our: Speaker B:But the most important thing is you, our audience.
Speaker B:Who do you think won this draft?
Speaker B:Which host do you think drafted the best?
Speaker B:Is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker C:And why is it B?
Speaker B:Why is it B?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:Well, this was fun.
Speaker B:We'll have to do this again.
Speaker B:Maybe next year or some other time when with another type of draft, we'll do 94.
Speaker B:94 is a great year.
Speaker D:Such a better year.
Speaker D:Way better than 99.
Speaker B:Yeah, 99.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker D:99 is one of my least favorite years of the 90s.
Speaker D:It's decent, but it's got so much like.
Speaker D:It's the kind of.
Speaker D:It's a lot of hoity toity independent.
Speaker D:Like i90.
Speaker D:94 has just like movies.
Speaker D:100 years from now, people will love not.
Speaker D:But 99 is like, man, you know, we're smart.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker C:I recently watched Hudsucker Pro, and that's a 94 movie.
Speaker C:And I was like, crying at the end of it.
Speaker C:That's great.
Speaker B:It is My top five Coen brothers.
Speaker C:Well, they haven't made a ton of movies.
Speaker C:Nathan.
Speaker D:I would even argue that 94 is the best year of the 90s.
Speaker C:I love 94.
Speaker C:It's a year for me.
Speaker D:It has everything.
Speaker D:It fires on action, thrusters on emotional.
Speaker D:Like, it's just 99 is.
Speaker D:Does have a lot, though, you know, I love Stargate.
Speaker C:Anyway, this is not an issue.
Speaker D:Yeah, I love stargate.
Speaker B:Next week.
Speaker B:94 movie draft.
Speaker C:No, next week.
Speaker C:Magnolia.
Speaker B:Next week we are coming back with our discussion of Magnolia from Paul Thomas Anderson.
Speaker B:Our first Paul Thomas Anderson movie.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:And I can't wait for his movie coming out next summer, too.
Speaker B:Should be pretty cool.
Speaker B:All right, I think that concludes it.
Speaker B:That does it.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, let's wrap it up here.
Speaker B:That's our show.
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Speaker B:Go.
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