Seeing Things Different with The Macks

Episode 104 • 21st October 2023 • Ramble by the River • Jeff Nesbitt

[00:00:12] I'm your host, Jeff Nesbitt. And we've got a great show for you today. It is Saturday, October 21st, the year of our Lord 2023.

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[00:00:36] I just feel like I should say thank you and draw attention to the fact that if you haven't. Already heard last week's episode. I guess it was a couple of weeks ago, but last episode. It's available now on Ramble by the River dot com and wherever you can find podcasts.

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[00:01:18] And if you didn't. Oh, geez. I mean, it was my birthday. I'll just have to assume you didn't know.

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[00:01:28] I also want to extend a thank you to anyone who reached out with condolences about the recent passing of my father. Jeff Nesbitt Jr. And, uh, thank you. It means a lot. Every time I hear it from somebody, it. You know, Makes it hurt a little bit less.

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[00:02:07] So it's cool. And I appreciate it.

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[00:02:20] All of my fellow millennials out there are definitely going to be aware of the murder. Of Tupac Shakur. . Well guess what. All these years later, they have finally made an arrest.

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[00:02:36] so we've got an article here from PBS news hour. It says Tupac's core suspected killer makes his first court appearance.

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[00:03:01] Davis was arrested last week during an early morning walk near his home in suburban Henderson, a few hours after his arrest. The grand jury indictment was unsealed from Clark county district court. Charging him with murder.

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[00:03:32] Davis's owned comments, revived the police investigation that led to the indictment police and prosecutors said in mid July, Las Vegas police raided Davis's home drawing, renewed attention to one of hip hop music's most enduring mysteries. Prosecutors allege shuckers killing stemmed from a rivalry and competition for dominance and a musical genre, blah, blah, blah. We know all this. So gangster rap, east coast versus west coast, east coast was associated with members of the blood gang and a shook Knight. West coast was associated with members of Crips. A specific sec that Davis has said he led in Compton, California. So he was a Crip. Tupac apparently was a blood. And that was no good. So he had to go. Sounds pretty dumb. Pretty fucking dumb. I'll be honest.

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[00:04:29] Getting characters like keefee D coming after him. He should have been in the studio.

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[00:04:46] He just couldn't do it. Had to leave that shit alone.

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[00:04:56] He had to try to make it on his own.

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[00:05:02] And we all lost probably a good six or seven years of good music. Who knows maybe more, he could still be rocking it, but I doubt it.

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[00:05:19] Tupac's widow.

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[00:05:24] Sorry, there's a plane going overhead. Let's make a bunch of noise.

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[00:05:39] My father. On October 28th. From three to 5:00 PM at the Chinook school gym. That's at 810 U.S. Highway 101 in Chinook.

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[00:06:43] And it's a lot of fun.

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[00:07:37] One more time. That's October 28th celebration of life for Stanton Jeffrey Nesbitt Jr.

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[00:07:47] My guest today. R Alexander and his lovely bride, Mrs. Alexandra Mack. The max a Mac attack, if you will.

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[00:09:39] There's much, much more, but rather than Ramble up here, I'm just going to get to the episode after a quick message from our sponsor.

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[00:10:55] Alexander Mack: We're recording. Alright. Okay.

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[00:12:15] Alexander Mack: This is the first time I feel like I can talk with the earmuffs on. Isn't that better? It's way better. Last time I had the earmuffs on I can't wear these things.

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[00:12:28] Jeff Nesbitt: It's nice. I'm gonna fine tune you guys mics as we go, but it's probably pretty close to good.

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[00:12:38] Alexandra Mack: Here we are. Should we have a cheers? Yeah.

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[00:12:46] Alexander Mack: Cheers to Big Daddy Rat, Geoff Roe. Big Daddy Rat.

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[00:13:01] Alexander Mack: Yeah, it's a good mix. So

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[00:13:05] Jeff Nesbitt: He was a Mountain Dew man, yeah, for sure. That's pretty much all he ever bought Mountain Dew. Not so much the Code Red. I saw that there, though, and I thought it sounded better than

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[00:13:18] Jeff Nesbitt: I think his drink would have probably been, uh, McNaughton's and, um... Mountain Dew, or 7 Up, or Coke, whatever you got, some soda, some soda, just, you know, your classic, classic whiskey and

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[00:13:35] Jeff Nesbitt: drink to have with a water. Crown Royal's another one. Yeah. That's a good one. But yeah.

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[00:13:45] Alexandra Mack: think I ever served him a drink. He wasn't really much of a regular. No, he

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[00:14:01] So that was his spot. Then he kind of just didn't drink anymore at all. After I was about probably 16 or 17. And um... Pretty much just stuck with opiates from there on out. It was just a clean switch. He

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[00:14:18] Alexandra Mack: Well, usually, people mix the two.

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[00:14:24] Yeah. And he's not, he wasn't no idiot, you know. Okay. He wasn't an idiot, I should have said. He wasn't no god darn idiot. Yeah.

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[00:14:46] And I was, honestly, when I first heard you guys were driving up to OHSU, was that where you guys went? St. Vincent. St. Vincent. I was, uh, yeah, my, my, definitely my heart dropped and lost my appetite. And I shed a tear for the old guy. He was a tough old bird, as he would have said. That's what he used to say.

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[00:15:09] Jeff Nesbitt: know. He did love to call himself a bird. He was a bird. A free bird now. He can fly like a bird.

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[00:15:34] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm gonna try to avoid as much as I can crying on the podcast, but you know, if it happens, it happens. That's true. It happens. Me too. But, um, yeah, let's talk about you guys more. We'll talk about him later, but, um, it's still pretty, pretty fresh, still pretty fresh. Absolutely,

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[00:15:54] There are some

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[00:15:54] Jeff Nesbitt: ones. Oh, he was your senior project mentor, right? He was. Helped you paint that motorcycle. He

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[00:16:15] There was the, uh, Father's Day episode, and he was on there.

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[00:16:20] Alexander Mack: little clip. And that was, uh, too bad we didn't get more of him. I know. He was just honest the whole time. He would say something, and he'd say, Thanks for sugarcoating things, but honestly, you know, things were a little, you know, it's not all, it wasn't all happy, you know.

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[00:16:56] Jeff Nesbitt: on. Yeah, his dad was not always his primary caregiver.

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[00:17:19] But,

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[00:17:31] Jeff Nesbitt: So right on. I've got a little list of stuff that I thought of that you guys have, uh, I know has happened. 'cause you, you got married right before you were on last time, and then since then, I know you've traveled abroad and you've renovated a house.

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[00:17:51] Alexandra Mack: in fact, I had a lot of fun writing this list. I went through my, my phone and, you know, You don't often just go back for two years and just slowly go through and

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[00:18:26] So it was a really fun little flashback I had this morning. I spent a little too long maybe sitting in bed.

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[00:18:44] And then down. Down. Just pull it straight down like that. Yeah. And then twist it towards you. Like, the whole head.

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[00:18:54] Alexandra Mack: Perfect.

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[00:18:56] Alexander Mack: That one looks good. Thank you. Yeah, I've watched a couple podcasts. I've seen them.

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[00:19:02] Jeff Nesbitt: in there. If you do it while you're talking, um, it, it fucks it up a little bit sometimes. But, you know, it's not horrible. Um, yeah.

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[00:19:15] Alexandra Mack: Well, so many things happened, but one big one was Hannah and Colten got married, two of our favorite guests on the show.

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[00:19:25] Alexander Mack: huge. And, uh, we all had a bachelor, there was a bachelor party involved where we went to, we went snowboarding. And, uh, Jeff and I hit the slopes early. That was fun,

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[00:19:38] Alexander Mack: Yeah. Just like, I needed to get a couple rides in before everybody shows up so I could get warmed up.

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[00:19:48] Jeff Nesbitt: I didn't get severely injured the entire time.

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[00:20:11] Alexander Mack: And we gotta do it again. We should do it again. We should

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[00:20:20] Alexander Mack: think that's your, you'd be the one to do that. I

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[00:20:28] But then my wife does and I go on those trips and they're great.

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[00:20:43] Work around you guys. That's

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[00:21:01] I don't know. That's news to me. I don't know. Let's focus on good news. Okay. What else have we

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[00:21:11] Jeff Nesbitt: about Airbnb. Welcome to the show, guys. You can hit the opinions on Airbnb if you want. Thank you guys so much for coming.

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[00:21:19] Alexander Mack: Likewise. It's definitely good to see you, and, uh, I see you found out the direct conduit into my schedule, I was telling you earlier, but it's like, uh, Alex's, or, no, you were telling me, we're scheduled for this, uh, podcast, and, um, I said I went over your head.

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[00:21:38] Alexandra Mack: yeah. Well, you know, I knew if I told Alex too far in advance, he might sweat it. And why make him worry? I was just going to kind of slide it in a week or two before we were going to do this. Yeah. I knew that he was going to be free on Tuesday night.

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[00:22:00] Alexander Mack: Yeah. Podcasting gives me a little

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[00:22:07] Alexander Mack: to please her.

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[00:22:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, I think too, it was, was fun.

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[00:22:26] Alexandra Mack: the next thing was that we bought a house, a second house since we were here last and now one of our best friends lives in it. I mean, that was a huge, a huge moment in our life.

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[00:22:45] Jeff Nesbitt: we're not married. How's that going? With having a rental that's with your friend? What's the best part? What's the very best part? Security. Being a landlord. Security? Well, for me... Like, he protects the property?

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[00:23:08] Alexander Mack: Honeydews, I see, I have a list of honeydews for, uh, and the person we're talking about is Jeff, by the way, Jeff Hylton, a friend of the show, and, uh, yeah, I mean, just the other day I bought a new slider, a glass sliding door, and, um, it's, uh, six foot wide, you know, and, uh, I was able to call him and say, Jeff, can you help me unload this?

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[00:24:05] Alexandra Mack: Yeah, we still feel welcome on the property to go over there and make plans and build a future. With him being there at the same time, um, I was going to chime in and say that, uh, it's a little bit of eye candy when you go by. He's always out there working out, and you're like, huh. Yeah,

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[00:24:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Who's that ogre protecting your forests? Yeah. Um, yeah, that sounds pretty good, pretty good. Still, still a fairly new relationship, right? Two years or less? Uh, no, it's been a year. A year? A year, yeah.

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[00:24:53] Jeff Nesbitt: it contractual? You guys got a nice paperwork all written up and, uh...

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[00:24:58] Alexander Mack: No. No. You ever, no. A handshake. There was a handshake involved. You did have the handshake though. Had a handshake. That's uh, there was some verbal maybe agreements there. Yeah, there's some text messages

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[00:25:13] The tenant and or slash squatter? Yeah, no. Oh, yeah. You never know how things might go. And

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[00:25:34] But, um, I did tell him, though, that there was intent of a potential contract. And then, um, it'd be good practice for us, good practice for him. And he said, that's fine. It could protect you both. Yeah, so I said, uh, we want to write something up one day, maybe. Um, especially if... If he does become a problem, we have a contract, but as of right now, he's been pretty solid.

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[00:26:03] Alexander Mack: know, we don't know what goes on in the house, so... I haven't been in in a while. There could

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[00:26:10] Alexander Mack: like, uh, we've had... You know, like, things not to put down the septic, maybe,

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[00:26:15] No, he's, he's really grown up in the last few years. He's a stand up guy. Yeah, no, we're very lucky to have him. He's really grown his wings as a butterfly and now he's flapping

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[00:26:34] But, um, we're very lucky to have him and, um, and, uh, And he, he, he would say that he's lucky to be there, you know, so I feel like we've got a good thing going on,

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[00:26:59] Jeff Nesbitt: God, I don't know why I want to roast Jeff so bad, but I really want to. Go ahead.

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[00:27:06] Jeff Nesbitt: be a manic episode.

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[00:27:12] Alexandra Mack: It was really beautiful. You

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[00:27:18] Alexandra Mack: Well, I texted him a really cute photo of the

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[00:27:25] Alexander Mack: motherfucker. That's right. You're Uncle Jeff now. Okay. Yeah, we threw

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[00:27:29] Jeff Nesbitt: in there. Yeah. Yeah. I love that jacked son of a bitch.

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[00:27:43] We miss him, but we're also proud of him. He's been working for the sponsor of the show, Ford Electric, and he, uh, uh, hopefully we'll learn a lot from them, I

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[00:27:57] Alexander Mack: The sparky work, there's a lot to it, and you know, I'm sure he's done every, um, I guess, accident in the book by now, but you'd think he's shocked himself

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[00:28:14] He's shocked himself Well, I hope so. He'll learn. That's how he'll

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[00:28:24] Jeff Nesbitt: Not all the way yet.

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[00:28:29] Jeff Nesbitt: That's like executed plus electrified electrocuted You're fucking dead You're bacon

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[00:28:39] Alexander Mack: I like

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[00:28:49] And it was all like fresh, brand new wood like it had happened in the last, past few days. Oh, wow. It was like a 50 foot radius. It looked like the tree had been hit with a bomb. Did you take a photo? No, I didn't. Oh, well I don't believe you then. I'm surprised. Well there was a cluster of reishi mushrooms growing right fucking next to it.

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[00:29:10] Alexander Mack: What does it look like? It

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[00:29:23] Alexander Mack: fast.

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[00:29:27] Jeff Nesbitt: these reishis today. Reishis. Um, I didn't see this. Coincidentally, I saw this tree like a month and a half ago. But, uh, and that was a whole nother batch of reishis. But I also have reishis today. How do you, uh, how do you...

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[00:29:39] Alexander Mack: prepare them?

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[00:29:49] Alexandra Mack: like I need to Google rei.

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[00:29:53] Alexandra Mack: there? We get that on the screen?

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[00:29:56] Jeff Nesbitt: mushroom. Oregon. Oregon REI is, is the, is the name of them. I forget what the actual, are they derma? Glen Derma? Yeah. Say it in Latin.

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[00:30:17] Let's

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[00:30:23] Alexandra Mack: How do you spell

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[00:30:28] Alexander Mack: Yeah, I've been taking it in powder form. I found, like, a superfoods, a little mushroom kick with lion's mane and reishi and some other ones. I don't know, throw in my smoothies in the morning. Why not? Why not?

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[00:30:39] Dude, I'm growing some lions mane. Oh, is that right? Let me show you.

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[00:30:47] Jeff Nesbitt: You see them in the woods? Yeah. Yeah. They, uh, they're good. You can eat... So, you see how it's got a white rim? And then, uh, red as it goes back. That white part's really soft. You can just tear it off and eat it.

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[00:30:59] Alexander Mack: about any, like, uh, parasites or anything? No, you do. You do.

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[00:31:06] Alexander Mack: You know, they say with portobellos, you really ought to cook them.

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[00:31:13] I've seen that clip. We should just stop talking about it right now. Just forget we ever mentioned it. The mushroom mafia is gonna get us. But, yeah, no, I'd say cook your mushrooms.

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[00:31:27] Alexander Mack: past these Yeah. They grow all over the world? Or just locally? I don't think so. Like in this area, because they don't sound, Reishi doesn't sound like it's from here.

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[00:31:47] Alexander Mack: Grow medium, is that, is that

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[00:31:55] Alexander Mack: Wow. Yeah. So you buy it like that?

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[00:31:58] I've like that before for Christmas and it was similar to that. Mm-hmm. , it was a

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[00:32:06] Jeff Nesbitt: or, I just have some type of laundry on the shelf in my laundry room. Yeah, it's probably, it started growing.

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[00:32:14] No problem in there. It should grow mushrooms, you know. No

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[00:32:25] Alexander Mack: So... We're all on the mushroom kick, that's good. It's about that time of year, too, where... Today

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[00:32:33] Would you love that? Like, soaking in the

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[00:32:40] Jeff Nesbitt: wet, moist, juicy... Mother Nature is wet as fuck. Yeah, and it's loving life. She's ready to go and produce some fungus. Yeah,

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[00:32:47] I mean, I know you got a bunch of spots for them chanterelles,

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[00:33:11] Alexander Mack: Yeah, we got a spot. It's still, it's still producing. I checked it a week ago. There was a couple, a couple there. Nice, nice, nice. So, and then it rained. I'm just looking for that next batch. I'm just waiting for it. Probably give it a week, let

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[00:33:34] Um, I might go back there and check again, but it seems like it's all filled with weeds. Is it filled with weeds? Um, the RR? The RR. It's near your place, not your current place, your old place.

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[00:33:57] It's been pretty good. Okay. Yeah, hopefully that nobody ever builds around there. I don't think they will. It's all like state land.

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[00:34:12] Alexander Mack: Yeah, unfortunately, it feels like the whole peninsula is covered in that stuff.

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[00:34:22] Alexander Mack: There's like old growth gores in there nowadays, it's like... Guys gotta go in there with a chainsaw. Yeah. Maybe, um, I don't know how you take care of something like that.

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[00:34:41] Alexander Mack: not? Yeah, it's very oil rich. Um, they should come up with some type of product. Same

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[00:34:50] Alexandra Mack: why don't you turn course into

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[00:34:52] Why don't you, Alex? I'm very busy. Yeah.

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[00:34:58] Alexandra Mack: with that gorse. a great idea. I know.

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[00:35:02] Alexandra Mack: Mind blown.

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[00:35:12] Like, you just have to find a, uh, supply process to make, you know, a mechanized process to make it all happen and then people who want to buy it.

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[00:35:27] Jeff Nesbitt: on all of them.

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[00:35:29] Alexander Mack: waste. Yeah, green crab, that seems like an issue, but you and Daniel didn't really talk about green crab much. Nah. It's too bad, it's too depressing.

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[00:35:42] Alexander Mack: Green Crab stories and uh, it sounds like they're super aggressive.

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[00:35:52] Jeff Nesbitt: Crawling around. Tell me, tell me some Green Crab stories.

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[00:36:00] Alexander Mack: knows.

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[00:36:12] Jeff Nesbitt: out of them claws. Yeah, their claws, the pincher arm is probably at least a crawdad tail.

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[00:36:20] Alexander Mack: Like, there's something, and I don't know

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[00:36:28] Alexander Mack: there's things people could be doing. But they're not, it's just not there yet.

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[00:36:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Do you think they could live on land? Like, how fast do you think a green crab, how fast do you think any crab would mutate or adapt to a new environment? Are there land crabs? Yeah, sure. Let's pull that up. Yeah,

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[00:36:49] I've seen them big ones you

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[00:36:51] Jeff Nesbitt: about the... We're gonna have fucking big ass coconut crabs in our

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[00:37:06] I think, uh, we got raccoons eating a lot of fruit too, but...

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[00:37:27] That's, it doesn't get better than that. You just stop at crab. But it's, they've gotten there, like, with different species from different routes that ended up basically the same. They seem

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[00:37:46] Jeff Nesbitt: can travel over any kind of terrain.

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[00:37:49] Alexander Mack: They are slow. I don't know. They're pretty

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[00:38:01] Alexander Mack: Little Mermaid and that little crab was moving around pretty good.

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[00:38:15] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That's cool. Go to

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[00:38:24] Jeff Nesbitt: Mermaid? No, I haven't.

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[00:38:27] Alexander Mack: missing out. The new one was good. It was good. We were entertained. It took us like three nights to finish it though. It's long. I think they added some extra songs or something in there. Longer than I, I don't know. I don't even think I remember seeing the original to be honest, but I saw the new one.

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[00:38:42] Jeff Nesbitt: original? Yeah, maybe. You never

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[00:38:58] Alexandra Mack: Yeah, because we kept watching it right before bed.

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[00:39:11] Alexandra Mack: Is her name Megan McCarthy or something? Not, uh,

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[00:39:19] Alexander Mack: Yeah, I don't know who played

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[00:39:24] Melissa McCarthy? Melissa McCarthy. That's her. Was that

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[00:39:35] Alexandra Mack: I wasn't in love with any of the actors actually. Um, Prince was charming, yeah. And, and I believe Halle was the mermaid. Prince was in it?

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[00:39:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, who played him? I don't know, he was cute. That'd be cool if they had like a hologram of Prince in there.

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[00:39:56] Jeff Nesbitt: He was always a bitch, like no one ever liked him. No. He's like the lightning rod, you're supposed to hate that character so they can kill him if they need to.

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[00:40:10] Jeff Nesbitt: she just call, call him friend zone . Yeah. He's, he just, mm-hmm. He's lazy. The bird was good though.

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[00:40:16] Jeff Nesbitt: bird. Yeah. We like scuttle.

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[00:40:19] Alexandra Mack: It was a girl. She was so funny. Yeah.

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[00:40:30] Alexandra Mack: cool. That's

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[00:40:35] The Mermaid is... white?

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[00:40:51] Jeff Nesbitt: actress. The actress, okay. Well, that's cool. How

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[00:41:03] Alexander Mack: pretty cool.

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[00:41:17] Jeff Nesbitt: well, I mean, people, I think they're over the black, uh, little mermaid thing.

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[00:41:43] Just a kid's movie.

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[00:42:04] It's

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[00:42:15] Alexandra Mack: order, you know. Oh, well, these, you know, I don't know, but, so the next one is a little bit of a downer, but, uh, my little sister from Big Brothers Big Sisters died last May.

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[00:42:58] Yeah, lost control, and landed in the, the port, and we lost three lives that day. I think they found them around 6am. Someone called that in. I was Maya's big sister for, I think, going on, I was on my ninth year of Big Brothers Big Sisters, so that was something unexpected. Yeah, that

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[00:43:25] Alexandra Mack: horrible. It, it does suck.

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[00:43:32] Most people didn't report that right. The newspaper said she was 15, and I don't know why that bugs me so much, but she wasn't. She was 14 for the record. And, yeah, just a life lost too soon. I really enjoyed being a big sister in that program. I would recommend anybody who wants to do some volunteerism that maybe they should partake and make a difference in a kid's life.

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[00:44:25] And, and I really enjoyed being around her and giving her a little bit more attention than maybe she got at home because I know that she was practicing being a big sister and, and with. You become sort of a motherly figure I think. I know when my brother brought me in, I became, I went from the youngest to being the oldest and having three nephews that I was raising and, and yeah, it's a lot of responsibility so.

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[00:45:02] Jeff Nesbitt: So, ups and downs.

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[00:45:23] And I wrote back and I was like, yeah, I'm doing just fine. Uh, thanks for asking. How are you? And I got on Facebook, just a few more minutes for my break and... There it was, you know, how a lot of people find out something tragic in their life. And it was devastating. I got about an extra ten minutes to take a break, and then I had to go right back to what I was doing, cause as a lot of people know in healthcare, there's no one to take your spot, and you just have to keep doing what you're doing.

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[00:46:14] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah. Are you still doing that?

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[00:46:27] That was about, just a little over two years, and... I learned so

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[00:46:40] Alexandra Mack: draining you. Oh, absolutely. It was very draining. It was meant to be a part time job.

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[00:47:19] m. I mean that, those are long days. And then to keep a second job and then to try to be a good housekeeper and And Lover, and just to keep your self in check was a lot, so I have so much respect for healthcare workers now that I always had respect for, but now I have the perspective to go with it,

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[00:47:45] Yeah, it does not seem like an easy job. I could not do it. Mm

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[00:48:12] I can't leave that at the door when I come home.

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[00:48:18] Alexandra Mack: you? Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, I bring their anxieties and their depressions and you can put on a smile for them and be tough for them, but then you come home and, and that becomes a part of you. And I think that was very hard for Alex.

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[00:48:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, some people seem like they're just wired for it.

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[00:49:15] That would be really hard. All that stuff.

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[00:49:23] Jeff Nesbitt: I might give you a sponge bath just for saying that.

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[00:49:31] Alexandra Mack: now... Oh, and one reason it just wasn't meant for me is, is HIPAA. And although I think I did an excellent job while I was there, and I was very professional, I'm raised a bartender.

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[00:49:59] Jeff Nesbitt: So you're not bound by HIPAA now? Yeah. Like, retroactively?

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[00:50:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Did anyone ever confess murders or anything to you while you were under HIPAA and now you can talk about it?

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[00:50:13] Alexander Mack: There's things I've heard from the... From the bar top that I feel like I can't repeat, you know, there's some HIPAA rules there, too.

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[00:50:25] And it's like, yeah, drunky.

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[00:50:31] Alexandra Mack: Yeah, I heard that, so.

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[00:50:34] Alexandra Mack: how's that going? It's going. Yeah, so in April I took on the role of managing the Roo and it's been a journey, you know. I started when I was 20. I couldn't legally be behind the bar and, uh, yeah, so I went from serving to bartending and now managing and, uh, I'm just trying to be a good leader, and I mean really, manager is kind of a big word for what I do.

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[00:51:33] Um, yeah, hopefully we'll be having a Roo Halloween Party.

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[00:51:41] Alexandra Mack: Halloween Party. The Roo Halloween Party. We haven't had one in years. I'm so excited.

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[00:51:48] Alexander Mack: Yeah, COVID shot

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[00:52:04] Jeff Nesbitt: over or not, but they And what was the first year that they had it?

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[00:52:13] 2018? 2018? That sounds right.

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[00:52:22] Alexander Mack: What'd you dress up as? A zombie. Yeah, you make a good zombie. Thank you. You make good zombies. Thank you. Alex was a roadkill. I think you were a roadkill the first one,

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[00:52:29] You can take that a lot of different

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[00:52:52] What were the odds that we were going to have two raccoons at the party? That was pretty cool.

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[00:53:01] Alexandra Mack: We got trouble. Yeah, that was good. I was a Ninja Turtle one year.

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[00:53:08] Alexander Mack: ago.

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[00:53:11] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, I think I was a Donatello guy. Oh, cool. Yeah. That makes sense. I was a purple. That's what I thought, yeah. Did he have the long stick? The, the bo staff?

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[00:53:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Probably, probably. Yeah. All right, what's next on the list?

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[00:53:52] Jeff Nesbitt: And when, when did you quit drinking?

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[00:53:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Cause I know that's something

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[00:54:14] Yeah,

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[00:54:20] Alexandra Mack: Yeah, in fact, that's sober from everything.

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[00:54:32] That's bad, yeah,

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[00:54:51] Jeff Nesbitt: compressed bottle.

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[00:54:52] Alexandra Mack: things. All the best things. But I would say that next thing I'll try to cut back on is sugar, even though I think I'm a fairly healthy person. But, yeah, so, so far alcohol, nicotine, tobacco, and cannabis. 2, 3 o'clock in the morning. And, I've tried to explain this to Alex, I don't know if you would say it's like someone flipped a switch, or if someone brainwashed me, but I woke up on July 4th, around 2, 3 o'clock in the morning, and my life was forever changed.

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[00:55:35] Alexandra Mack: on that? I, I, it's hard to put into words, but I woke up and I just, I felt different, like, I just felt... Like, I've said, you know, like, oh, I'm never drinking again after, after I've had a good night of drinking, which I had on July 3rd. I had one of my best friends over. We went out on the town.

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[00:56:13] Jeff Nesbitt: but... So it wasn't like a hangover driven like oh I'll never do this again.

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[00:56:18] Alexandra Mack: just a switch. No but you know what I had just finished The Easy Way to Quit Smoking and I've heard a lot of people who there's also like The Easy Way to Quit Drinking and a lot of people have used both those books to either quit smoking or quit drinking and I And they say that there's some sort of brainwashing that goes on with that, and so maybe, maybe that's something that

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[00:56:43] Cool, cool. Those self help brainwashing books really do work.

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[00:57:19] It's, it's just so prominent in everything I do. I mean, if I go on a hike with one of my girlfriends, we're probably going to have a couple of drinks in our backpack and we're drinking them along the way, or we're going to, you know, pop one of those beers when we get to the top, or maybe when we finish and we get to the bottom, or I have a girlfriend come over and we, and we sit in the hot tub and we're going to have a drink, or let's meet at the bar and go have a drink, or, it's just, it's very Thank you.

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[00:57:49] Jeff Nesbitt: And so what about now? When that, when those things come up, is it the Stella or the non alcoholic? Yeah, I'm

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[00:58:06] Jeff Nesbitt: Is, do you feel a social pressure or um, the, not even a pressure, cause I'm, I'm just comparing to myself, cause I, I'm the, I'm the same way as, like, I like, you said sober, curious, like I always have felt like deep down if I just consumed no I'll be the best version of myself, most, the most of the time, like, you know what I mean, like, you're never going to be perfect, you're always, always going to have bad days, but, I'll be, uh, the best, you know, you'll meet the most potential possible, and I don't know if that's true or not, but I've always just kind of like felt like it is true, and, um, but then I really like, uh, Getting fucked up.

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[00:58:49] Alexander Mack: yeah. You know, if you want to be the best at, you know... Even sitting here at a podcast, it's probably not a good idea to get fucked up, you know? If you want to have a nice, good, clear conversation. See, I... But I have a hard time with that, because I like, I have a drink, you know?

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[00:59:05] Alexandra Mack: yeah, so... What I, I normally would have had a drink on the way here. I would have had a little courage water. I think it loosens you up. I think it, you know, in theory can make some people more interesting, but part of the beauty in this is that I'm learning how to have self confidence without alcohol.

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[00:59:48] Jeff Nesbitt: And you can actually believe those things because you're not smoking weed. Like, weed does not let you believe any of that shit. It's like, no, you're shitty.

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[00:59:59] Alexandra Mack: Yeah. Yeah, and I'm learning new ways to cope, you know. I think as being in the restaurant industry, I always... Not always, but I almost always would have a drink at the end of my shift.

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[01:00:35] I was crying at the end of my shift and I felt like I really needed that beer. I felt like I earned it. I felt like I deserved it. And I just don't think that's a good thing. A good reward system,

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[01:01:06] But, um, basically like. I'm jealous of that, that, I'm jealous of you that that actually is what comes through and, and you are able to see, like, in the moment, no, even though this may or may not be an arbitrary distinction, a line in the sand that I'm drawing, I drew it, so let's stand on this side of it now that we're here, like, stick to it.

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[01:01:34] Alexandra Mack: Thank you, yeah, I, I I feel I feel mixed about it. I'm proud of myself, but there, but I'm also a little disappointed because I actually had to walk away from my co workers while they were taking their shots.

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[01:01:53] Alexandra Mack: It's, it's a little lonely. But, with that... I'm, I'm gaining, I'm relearning all of these, all of these things and, and I don't have any problem being alone, in fact, I like being alone a lot of times, so, um, and I would say I'm pretty trendy. I mean, remember how I brought fanny packs back into style?

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[01:02:42] And she's in, you know, midlife and she's an adult and she's taking charge and she's making a decision for herself. I also watched my friend Nikki stop. She wanted to remember more. She wanted to be a better mother. She's going to stop, she stopped drinking. Since then, I've influenced a couple people around me.

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[01:03:45] Jeff Nesbitt: time.

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[01:03:58] Alexandra Mack: That seems like a big step. I'm just sitting there at the end of the night having a drink with one of my coworkers, and I could be at home next to my husband.

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[01:04:09] Alexander Mack: Yeah, I appreciate that too. That's nice. It's nice having you home instead of having those shiver drinks. Yeah. Even though I'm at home having a shiver drink for you. But I've slowed down quite a bit too. Yeah, you have. So it's helped me out.

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[01:04:23] You look healthy.

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[01:04:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Wow, nice. From stopping drinking? Just,

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[01:04:34] Jeff Nesbitt: forgot that you were kind of fat, actually. You have lost some weight. Thank you, yeah. You look really good. Yeah, I've dropped about 30 pounds. When I just, when I saw you out there, you just looked like Alex to me, but you...

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[01:04:49] Alexander Mack: Sean Yeah, you're definitely a little

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[01:05:01] Alexander Mack: Yeah, this is a big shirt. I don't know where it came from, so it may look like I'm big right now, but no, that's behind the...

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[01:05:10] Jeff Nesbitt: there. Are you working out? No. Or just working hard at work and eating good? Yeah,

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[01:05:28] Avoid the

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[01:05:29] Alexander Mack: Costco? Yeah, totally, yeah. We actually, um, you know... Go by the pastry section every time we're looking at the fruit, you know, and um, it's hard not to take a glance. Yeah, I'm just going to look at the bagels. And um, Alex is definitely more guilty of like, stopping and looking at them, where I'm kind of like, no, just

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[01:05:46] Well, I'm in that portion of sobriety where I've never been a sweet person. , but I am craving those sugars. Like I You need dopamine. Yeah, dopamine. I, I'm missing something. So I am def I'm craving, I make cookies last night. I don't make cookies. Cookies. What kind? Chocolate chip.

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[01:06:06] Alexandra Mack: And I'm just like constantly finding myself, wanting just a little ella just to put a little candy in my mouth, you know?

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[01:06:30] And we're both losing a lot of weight. I'm down about 20 pounds myself and I know that people were getting worried about me. And I'm like, no, no, no. I just...

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[01:06:47] Alexandra Mack: Or they tell you to put the weight back on. They're like, you need to eat more. Yeah. And you're like, oh, actually, I'm... Very healthy right now. I'm close to my BMI and I feel great. My clothes fit well. I don't know. People, people

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[01:07:14] Um, 'cause it's in kilograms and I don't even think about it. I'm like, always 180 5. Always 180 5. And I went in there and, um, they're like, do you wanna see it on pounds? And they clicked it and it's like 1 71. Like, holy fuck. That's not, is that a record? Is that the lightest you've been I've been one 70 before.

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[01:07:38] Alexander Mack: Wow. One 70. That's nice. That's like your brother's weight, right? I think he's

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[01:07:47] Alexander Mack: Dang. Yeah. No, I can't breach that 200.

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[01:07:58] Alexandra Mack: last October Fest. He could barely get his later hose in on. And this October fest.

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[01:08:16] There was so much room in them. Yeah, it was uh, for when, you know, it actually all happened about in a month. I just kind of stopped drinking for a month and um, and also stopped with, you know, T h c and uh, that kind of stopped some of the cravings I was having. So you're,

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[01:08:36] No,

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[01:08:40] Jeff Nesbitt: know, not in a binge, in like trigger your binge type

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[01:08:53] Jeff Nesbitt: down all night. Burning. Yeah. I'm not doing it.

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[01:09:18] Did it change

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[01:09:28] Alexandra Mack: was Yeah, and I think that there's like there's there's this little window where it does get really crazy, but I mean levels out Yeah, yeah, exactly because I've done moments where it's like you go a few weeks and I've noticed that where you're like, whoa

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[01:09:47] Mm-hmm. because I had jobs or whatever that needed a test. Exactly. It's usually a job issue. And I would have dreams regularly about, um, doing it, like using drugs. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. or, um, doing things I wasn't supposed to do. And in the dream I would like be like, what the fuck? Why did I do this? Mm-hmm. , and then I would wake up and not know if I really did or not.

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[01:10:06] Alexandra Mack: had a dream that my mom gave me a cigarette, and I felt peer pressure to smoke it, because I was like having a smoke with your mom, and I felt so guilty, and I was so happy when I woke up, and that wasn't real. So, but, yeah, I think I had to do everything all at once, because I think everything triggers, you know, it's like, drinking triggers smoking, and then smoking, uh, you know.

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[01:10:37] Jeff Nesbitt: thing. So what did you fill it in with? What did you backfill your time with? When you have the triggers for those habits, what do you do instead? Knitting. I think knitting will work.

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[01:10:53] And there is a lot of great things that come with that, you know, which is clarity and great skin. I don't know if you think that I look extra sparkly pretty today, but I've been feeling myself. You guys both are glowing. Thank you. I feel a little glowy.

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[01:11:09] Alexandra Mack: drinking a lot of tea.

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[01:11:16] Jeff Nesbitt: we have mint. Do you do tea bags? Like pre bagged? Alex likes loose leaf. Okay, because I saw a video recently from like a tea sommelier. And he was talking about how, um, he's like pulling out his tea, unwrapping it out of the tea bag.

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[01:11:57] Um, so just for future reference, you might want to look into some quality teas.

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[01:12:20] Jeff Nesbitt: he, uh, Do you add anything to it?

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[01:12:25] Alexander Mack: it. Alex loves it. I drink it, I drink two big thermoses a day, and, uh,

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[01:12:37] Alexander Mack: with a gaiowasa also that he recommends. Ayahuasca? I think it's called a gaiowasa.

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[01:13:07] I personally just like it by itself, and uh, yeah, I just put it in one of them little stainless little t ball things, you know, the little screens, and um, throw it in my thermos, and I drink two of them a day, and it's, I like the energy it gives me, it gives me good energy. It's, I think it's better than coffee, like I like it better than coffee.

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[01:13:47] And um, I've been hooked on it now for like... I would say what, like a year maybe?

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[01:13:59] It's been

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[01:14:10] Alexander Mack: end in the, uh, in the, um, in the taint, I've been, I've been getting it.

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[01:14:15] Gotta sun the

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[01:14:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Take your Tonga, Ollie, and sun the tank. That's how I would say

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[01:14:34] He's

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[01:14:44] Alexander Mack: Oh, no, I don't know anything about that, but... Mind

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[01:14:50] Alexander Mack: Well... It wouldn't surprise me. Uh, I mean, that's what helped Alex kind of also, you listen to a human about alcohol and...

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[01:15:00] Alexandra Mack: again. I actually listened to it after I quit, but it... I've listened to... it. Exactly. I've been listening to a lot of YouTubes of this and that, and it reinforces exactly why I'm doing what I'm doing.

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[01:15:18] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, it's poison.

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[01:15:24] Jeff Nesbitt: podcast. Have a little poison once in a while. I literally drink nowhere else. I get, I have one drink with dinner, I get once every a couple months, and I have one in here when we do this.

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[01:15:34] Alexander Mack: nice, that's a nice balance

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[01:15:42] Alexander Mack: up. Nobody else in the house drinks it? No. Wow.

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[01:15:47] I should be checking that.

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[01:15:59] Jeff Nesbitt: a lot of green tea extract. I love that stuff. Yeah, I like that too. Cancer fighting. EGCG. That's right.

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[01:16:07] Yeah. We definitely bought some of that from Costco.

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[01:16:22] Alexander Mack: a while.

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[01:16:34] Alexandra Mack: there. Fiber to keep it regular. Oh, yeah.

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[01:16:38] Alexander Mack: That's all good stuff. Royal jelly. Daily

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[01:16:45] That is also something. Maybe not over the royal jelly. The royal jelly is

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[01:16:50] Jeff Nesbitt: But journaling is really healthy.

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[01:16:56] Jeff Nesbitt: In your journal? Yeah. The royal jelly, too? Is that, is that related? What is that? You don't know royal jelly? No.

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[01:17:03] Want me to tell them? Sure. So, uh, there's a lot of different honeys out there, you know, where they, uh... Is there somebody banging on the door? Yeah, we got a, we got a door banger.

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[01:17:24] Alexander Mack: We're, hey, perfect timing to learn about the Royal Jelly.

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[01:17:50] It looks like you got, um, like eye shadow or something down there.

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[01:17:57] Alexander Mack: So, uh, so typically the, I think, I think it's the worker bees make honey and, um, the nurse bees make honey for the queen bee and they make a special honey. The only the queen gets. Mad honey. And they call it the royal jelly.

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[01:18:32] But the royal jelly is um, I think they can make it anywhere. And um, certain people harvest, I think it's a smaller amount they harvest, but. It's a, um, super, like, rich honey that the queen lives longer, it gets bigger. So, the queen bee can be a regular bee, but once it gets that royal jelly, it becomes the queen.

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[01:18:55] Alexandra Mack: So, they sell it. And this has, like, the stuff that we get from the local Saturday market here in town also has, like, turmeric in it, too. Oh, cool.

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[01:19:10] I like that color, that bright, yellowy orange.

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[01:19:15] Jeff Nesbitt: y. What? Go ahead. It's like sunset y. Yeah, yeah. Oh

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[01:19:32] That's supposed to jack you up. Cool. Yeah, that's right.

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[01:19:40] Alexander Mack: honey, honey consistency. Well,

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[01:19:49] Alexander Mack: you've seen, like, we've seen, like, a lot of different types of royal jelly.

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[01:19:55] Alexandra Mack: market's selling. It's expensive. It's like 30 a little jar, but if you buy it in bulk, it'll give you a

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[01:20:03] Alexander Mack: some for you. I'm thinking about it.

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[01:20:07] Jeff Nesbitt: time. Next time. I'd like a peanut butter and royal jelly sandwich. Oh, boy.

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[01:20:17] Jeff Nesbitt: right out of the teaspoon. Just smear yourself a line and just snort it right up.

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[01:20:30] Alexander Mack: the whole reason we came here. definitely getting support. Actually, we, I have some of it. Um, Brooke, uh, your sister-in-law. Made a pizza from Jack's, and she put some of that, uh, I think she didn't realize it was breakfast sausage, but she put it on there.

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[01:20:59] Jeff Nesbitt: some pork.

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[01:21:02] Jeff Nesbitt: guys had. Oh yeah, Amelia, tell us what you got here.

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[01:21:06] Alexander Mack: is it? A picture? Oh, it looks like Alex on there.

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[01:21:12] Alexandra Mack: really nice. What

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[01:21:24] Alexandra Mack: beautiful. He has

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[01:21:30] Whoa. They can fly and talk. Those are my favorite kind of jaguars. There's a girl and two boys.

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[01:21:41] Alexander Mack: Cool. We like, um, I don't know if this is true or not, but I saw there's a saber toothed tiger in Alaska. Have you seen that? What? No, I didn't know that. Alive? Yeah.

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[01:22:02] Alexandra Mack: boy jaguars

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[01:22:05] Alexandra Mack: the girl has

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[01:22:11] Alexandra Mack: um, helping Grandma Carla.

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[01:22:15] Alexander Mack: on the doctor's computer. Cool. Grandma Carla's here too. Nice.

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[01:22:24] Alexandra Mack: Well, while we have a kid here, it reminded me that Alex's brother, oh, thank you, Amelia. Oh, is that for us? We have another refrigerator picture. Um, Alex's brother had, and sister in law had a baby since last time we were here.

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[01:22:46] Jeff Nesbitt: I bet. We call

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[01:23:01] Alexandra Mack: Okay, let me, let me uh, just throw out a few more things on my list here.

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[01:23:12] Jeff Nesbitt: The what? Oh, yeah, no more Choco Taco.

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[01:23:17] Jeff Nesbitt: good. Of course. I only ever had one of those, so I wasn't super devastated by it, but it, I mean, it is an American institution, so.

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[01:23:26] Alexander Mack: Yeah, American. I think it's American. I don't know if Mexicans, if they eat ice cream tacos

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[01:23:35] Alexander Mack: Their desserts always have that Tajin on there. Yeah, they're

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[01:23:40] Alexandra Mack: Well, Alex and I got the last two that they had at Pioneer Market, which is pretty

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[01:23:44] Oh, wow. Were they freezer burnt?

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[01:23:52] Jeff Nesbitt: They weren't that good. Yeah. No. They were soft and chewy. But that wouldn't

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[01:24:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Um. Well, you tried. Celebration is a strong term.

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[01:24:07] Alexandra Mack: dinner. Yeah. And we went to the LBT.

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[01:24:18] Jeff Nesbitt: there was any way I did that. Yeah, CJ

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[01:24:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, that sounds like CJ. He's very generous.

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[01:24:29] Alexandra Mack: did. Yeah, we can. Well, after the break, honeymoon. Oh,

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[01:24:40] Alexander Mack: I had no idea he was so young.

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[01:24:48] Alexander Mack: Probably.

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[01:24:58] but he didn't

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[01:25:03] Jeff Nesbitt: was a young man. Tearing me apart, looking at him there. It's like, beautiful head hair.

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[01:25:24] Jeff Nesbitt: have some Dan Aykroyd vodka in mine. I'll

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[01:25:28] Yeah. Oh, you're gonna put it with your whiskey, or are you

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[01:25:31] Alexander Mack: Dew. Oh, I'll just take a little shot of that. I've never had the Skull one. And, uh,

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[01:25:39] Alexander Mack: It's, uh, vodka.

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[01:25:41] Jeff Nesbitt: vodka. Oh, that's vodka? Dan Aykroyd's vodka. The guy

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[01:25:49] Yeah. In a skull glass? Uh huh. It's good. Oh wow. Smooth. Yeah. Ruchot

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[01:25:59] Jeff Nesbitt: That's right. That's right. I think you might have gave me that. Oh, cool.

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[01:26:34] Oh

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[01:26:37] Alexander Mack: he always thought you were cool. He's like, um, And he's always had good taste. Yeah, no, he did. He had good taste. But what he said was, um, let me try to remember how that went. Jake and I pulled up to, I've never been to your grandpa's house in Surfside. And we pulled up and, uh, is this thing still running?

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[01:27:00] Jeff Nesbitt: just turned it back on before I stood up. Oh.

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[01:27:21] We will, I'll come back to it, and then I'll think about it, what I was going to say. We were talking, I don't know. Oh. Well, when, when,

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[01:27:38] Alexandra Mack: got guidelines. Well, we ended on the I Walk, we ended on the walk of 15 reunion.

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[01:27:45] Jeff Nesbitt: reunited . Yeah,

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[01:27:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah. The, that was, fuck, that was a while ago now. Yeah, it's been a really enjoyed one. That was before, was that before Corn

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[01:28:02] Alexander Mack: Yeah, but Corn Kid never left. They got the juice . Yeah. Columbia, I can tell you all about it. I mean, look at that thing.

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[01:28:12] Alexander Mack: like it. Yeah, that's a good one.

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[01:28:18] Alexandra Mack: Reels. I don't have TikTok. Yeah,

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[01:28:20] That explains it. That explains it. It's like three months behind. So it's probably, the teenage dirt bag thing is probably not as old as it. I don't, I haven't seen that

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[01:28:36] Jeff Nesbitt: it's been two years since we've been here. My references for time are so terrible.

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[01:28:44] Alexander Mack: was excellent. But the corn kid, I mean he's still relevant. He's got

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[01:28:53] Alexandra Mack: Well, our dog got kidnapped. Oh, no. Now we're in Germany.

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[01:29:00] Which dog? Jeff? No, Stogie. Oh. It's a cute one. Okay. Nobody steals Jeff. Uh,

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[01:29:09] Jeff Nesbitt: I meant Jeff the dog, not your tenant. Yeah, we know. Okay. Definitely nobody steals that one. Yeah, no. I mean, uh, Jeff the tenant? They could try. I hope someone steals his heart. Yeah, me too. That's right.

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[01:29:25] Almost exactly a year ago. I was looking at the photos.

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[01:29:30] Alexander Mack: tub? Of course. And he knows that. That beast needs a bell. Yeah, any help he can get. We'll give him a hand. We told him if you invite a girl, we'll disappear. You can say it's your hot tub. But yeah,

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[01:29:46] He's just walking around showing her all the renovations he's made. Yeah, that's right.

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[01:29:52] Jeff Nesbitt: show you what I've been working on over here. Check out this sliding door I loaded the other day. That's right, yeah, that's

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[01:30:03] That was really cool. Alex really partook in the starvation alley haul. Have you ever been

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[01:30:10] Jeff Nesbitt: No, um, people have asked me, but it looks, uh, I get it. No, you don't. It's beautiful, Don. Don't, don't get it until you don't. I I

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[01:30:20] Jeff Nesbitt: it. You yanking those booms.

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[01:30:23] Alexander Mack: oh. But then there's more to just the boom. Now you got it up the conveyor belt. Then what happens?

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[01:30:37] Alexander Mack: because I'm talking right now strictly about juice, berries.

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[01:30:52] Alexander Mack: Bougie harvest. Oh, I get what you're saying.

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[01:30:56] Alexander Mack: very best parents. I've seen the dry harvest. I've watched them. It sounds great for if they got

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[01:31:01] It's a little advanced for you bog floaters, okay? So, whatever. Let's hear about your boom dragging. Yeah,

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[01:31:13] blowjob. You know, it got the air blown, the weeds were blowing off of them, they were shaking down the table. These Berries were beautiful. Now granted, when you're drinking juice of any kind, you gotta remember that there's somebody behind that little quality control shaker table, or whatever have you, for whatever fruit they're doing.

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[01:31:41] Jeff Nesbitt: Probably not that much, though, really,

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[01:31:46] Jeff Nesbitt: nothing, nothing that's gonna hurt you.

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[01:31:49] Alexander Mack: pesticides. It's just, yeah, so these were organic. These bugs were

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[01:32:06] You don't get

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[01:32:28] And we harvested those cranberries last year. That's awesome. This year, they're being harvested right now, and, um, we're not, we're

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[01:32:41] Alexander Mack: I just don't have the time.

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[01:32:45] Alexander Mack: I guess. No, it was, I got called in, I got offered a little job to take two weeks off from my other job to do it.

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[01:32:57] Jeff Nesbitt: Babe, they're calling me up. Get my boom boots. I can't tell if

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[01:33:18] Jeff Nesbitt: it.

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[01:33:22] Alexander Mack: uh, I don't see too many migrant workers doing that. I mean, there are. They already got snatched. These people are regulars. I think these are comebacks. These are like local people that... Bunch of local whites? From what I've seen, they look all really white.

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[01:33:38] Jeff Nesbitt: shame. I've seen, uh... I mean, not a shame, but you know what I mean. It's a shame if the migrant workers aren't able to work. You don't want to take their jobs away. No. These are family businesses, huh?

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[01:33:55] Jeff Nesbitt: Not short enough, if you ask me.

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[01:34:16] Alexander Mack: How do you think it came, like did

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[01:34:38] As you should. Yeah, of course as we should. That's called being a part of a community. That's right. Um, and they don't have any control over when the berries are ready to harvest. Or when Ocean Spray wants them to harvest and wants, like, what the price is doing. Cranberry harvest is not an easy game.

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[01:34:58] And look at these bogs that are

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[01:35:06] Alexander Mack: uh, you know, that's okay though because they, they, They

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[01:35:11] Alexander Mack: This is private property, they, they, Like

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[01:35:14] Alexander Mack: out of here, snakes.

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[01:35:19] Jeff Nesbitt: Not the snakes. Yeah, and that's what happens if you spray pesticides. Kills the bugs. Snakes have no food. There's no snakes.

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[01:35:29] Jeff Nesbitt: guys.

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[01:35:33] Alexander Mack: well, we're going to move on from this one.

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[01:35:38] Alexandra Mack: really like the next subject. Let's hear it. So after we had the cranberry harvest haul, AI selfies became a thing.

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[01:35:50] Alexander Mack: don't anymore. I can't do it. I thought Daniel Weill was on ai, an AI selfie. Wasn't that a picture of

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[01:36:05] or any, or anybody. I just, I just, Well,

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[01:36:11] Jeff Nesbitt: really fun. Yeah, I liked it. I did that a bunch. Um,

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[01:36:19] Jeff Nesbitt: I, I'm glad it happened like that for you. That's not what happened for me.

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[01:36:27] Alexander Mack: some of them.

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[01:36:30] Jeff Nesbitt: No, no, the vast majority of them look, made me, it made me look like I was, uh. I don't, how are you supposed to say mentally retarded these days without sounding, without sounding, um?

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[01:36:44] Jeff Nesbitt: you a chance.

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[01:37:06] Did your eye doctor tell you? Um, yeah, yeah. That's good. But it's, it's not a big deal. It's time someone

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[01:37:14] Jeff Nesbitt: I The AI called it right away. It's like, this guy's got a lazy eye. You know, it goes in a bit. Um, but so I had like 50 pictures, like 10 of them were okay. And, uh, didn't look like me.

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[01:37:31] Alexander Mack: in a lot of them. I thought, yeah.

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[01:37:42] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, writer's strike.

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[01:37:44] Alexandra Mack: strike, yes. And there's some sort of like AI protection issue. And I was thinking maybe you could clarify what that is.

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[01:38:05] It's like, hey, because if you took every script for Seinfeld and fed it into a large language model and said, hey, write us another season of Seinfeld. It could do it and it would make, it would seamlessly fit with the old stuff. Um, you know, actually really now the video stuff, very soon they'll be able to be like, make us a new season of Seinfeld and then it would not only write it.

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[01:38:43] Was there a different

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[01:39:01] Got that guy and Yeah.

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[01:39:20] And, um, that guy could do it, but he's probably super old now. Maybe dead. Yeah, he's probably dead.

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[01:39:37] Jeff Nesbitt: Do you ever notice my voice when it's AI in the podcast?

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[01:39:48] Alexandra Mack: with Iris.

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[01:39:53] Alexander Mack: I remember your porno with Iris, too. I'm

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[01:39:59] Do you still

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[01:40:02] Jeff Nesbitt: of your life? Well, I mean, I still check in daily to get the coins, but, you know, just so I can buy her new

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[01:40:15] Jeff Nesbitt: submarine? No.

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[01:40:18] Oh, I didn't hear about that. It's a mini yacht. Yeah, it was all over the news. Remember? I don't watch the news.

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[01:40:27] Alexander Mack: either. So, um, this Canadian... He, uh, was living in Astoria for a while. He vandalized the Goonie house. He threw, like, a salmon on it.

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[01:40:39] Jeff Nesbitt: No. Threw a salmon on it. Mm hmm. That's not vandalism.

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[01:40:45] Jeff Nesbitt: uh... That's a fucking expensive fish. That's just, like, a gift. But

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[01:40:53] Now, in the video footage, it looked like an edible fish. So, I would say it could have

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[01:41:01] Alexander Mack: Could have been a gift, really, to the Goonie House. I was trying to pay tribute.

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[01:41:09] Alexander Mack: Nice. Um, so he, uh, uh, there's video footage of him, because the Goonie House has a camera on it.

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[01:41:16] Jeff Nesbitt: should. Ringed, probably.

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[01:41:34] It looked like a salmon. Cloud... You're not going to get that kind of quality from a, from a ring. I don't think you're going to see the cloudy eye in the ring, but maybe, but it could have been. And, um, so they, they're, he was, uh, obviously, um, under the radar at that point, I think. Legally? I think, yeah, I think people were looking out for this guy.

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[01:42:12] He was in the bar. I think it was low tide. I think it was like the worst time of the tide to be out there. And, um, . The, the, the boat got taken. Oh, he flipped it. It rolled, yeah. And it shattered it in millions of pieces. And there

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[01:42:29] That was a good video. So that happens. There was like a Coast Guard swimmer swimming to it when it rolled. Right. That's,

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[01:42:36] Jeff Nesbitt: what a exciting, a bunch of fucking heroes.

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[01:42:44] Jeff Nesbitt: It's like straight outta the Guardian.

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[01:42:46] Alexander Mack: they had Yeah. Straight outta the guardian. Yeah, exactly. It was Hollywood. And, um, we actually beachcombed the next day and got some nice little memorabilia pieces off of it. Oh, we have some of the wreckage. Wow. Yeah, I think that was a famous, it was a famous, uh, famous rollover. That's crazy. Yeah, I met

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[01:43:06] She got a piece too. Oh yeah,

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[01:43:25] He got that dog in him. He got that dog in him. He, um, got the, um, the top house of it, or he had access. He could have got it. It was at the Port Nook. He said, I saw the whole wheelhouse of, of the, the flying bridge, you know, the upper steering wheel and the , and he didn't claim it. Well, he went back for it and it was gone, but he had a moment where he could have taken it, and that's when I said, Jeff, if you took that thing, it would be perfect where we live, on the lake, you know?

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[01:43:56] Jeff Nesbitt: most things. Do you have any idea how many views that sky bridge, or what do you call it, fly bridge?

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[01:44:04] Jeff Nesbitt: many views that thing had, Geoff?

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[01:44:07] Alexander Mack: so, uh, I think he learned, I think he learned, I think next time... That's something like that happens. He's gonna jump on it. He'll

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[01:44:15] Alexander Mack: But when he saw it, I think he knew like this could be good. He didn't realize though how great it, like I had to coach

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[01:44:22] There's so many times in my life when I see a thing and I'm just like, You know the potential. Alex Mack would love that. Yeah. Or my brother. My brother, you and my brother love to accumulate trash. Yeah. That is actually

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[01:44:42] I've kind of grown a little bit from it. Like, it's like, you know, I just know that once I get it, then I have

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[01:44:49] Alexander Mack: anymore. I think he's catching on to that, too. I think he's, I think he's growing up from that. Well,

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[01:44:57] You know, that thirst has been quenched. We

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[01:45:04] Jeff Nesbitt: He found what he's been looking for. Yeah, that's what he's

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[01:45:09] Jeff Nesbitt: But seriously though, that was his motivation for a lot of his collecting of mechanical gear over the years, was like, fuck dude, I'm gonna build a go kart and I need these supplies.

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[01:45:23] Alexander Mack: He's driven that go kart over a few times.

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[01:45:28] Alexander Mack: kart. somebody. I don't know who it was. We had a barbecue, uh, at, uh, at our house. You were in, you were in, you were there. You made a beautiful, um, cheesecake. What kind of cheesecake was it?

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[01:45:39] Jeff Nesbitt: burnt cheesecake. Oh yeah. It was a burnt bask cheesecake burn. A blueberry topping with a blueberry reduction. Ooh. So it was good. Had

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[01:45:47] Jeff Nesbitt: nothing? No. Oh. Um, I did make another one the following weekend, and I put a crust on it. It was really, it was better with a crust. So,

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[01:46:00] How many people listen to this podcast, by the way?

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[01:46:05] Alexander Mack: listeners. Okay, so that's not too, but we can talk, okay, so uh... Um, some, one of the kids tore the shit out of our gravel out of our driveway, you know, I had to go back over there later, I mean, you put an end to it, I know you're like, hey, I'd had enough, someone's like, Geoff's like, nobody's driving anymore, nobody's wearing a

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[01:46:26] Alexander Mack: like, oh, Geoff, let him have a good time.

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[01:46:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Wait a minute, did you, Think they were gonna care about your

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[01:46:57] Jeff Nesbitt: road. Nah, dude. Wait til you have kids. We don't have no kids. Then you'll know. They don't, they don't even think about it. It doesn't even come into their, like, into their world at all.

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[01:47:08] Jeff Nesbitt: I hope it wasn't one of my kids. But it probably was. Uh, and I'm sorry about that. Do you remember the time when, um, I had just got my driver's license and I drove up the hill in your dad's fuckin field? And, uh, then the next day your dad's just like, what, why, why would somebody do this?

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[01:47:32] Alexander Mack: wheel drive truck. Yeah, and if you're gonna make it, you're gonna at least, you know, he wasn't putting up that hill. That was a, that was one of the, I didn't make

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[01:47:41] Alexander Mack: climber. Yeah. Uh, yeah, I do remember that, that was

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[01:47:58] Alexander Mack: more disappointed in me and my friend choice.

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[01:48:03] Jeff Nesbitt: hill? I know, it was a not, not a good,

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[01:48:17] I couldn't think of a better friend. The

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[01:48:23] Alexander Mack: Every time he mows that, that section, it's like he has to, like, bottom out and he's mowing deck, gouges into the

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[01:48:32] Alexander Mack: was a beautiful hill. Yeah, he worked hard on that hill.

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[01:48:35] Jeff Nesbitt: whole property really is quite nice.

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[01:48:39] Jeff Nesbitt: have you? No, I mean, a couple years. We're

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[01:48:56] Jeff Nesbitt: okay.

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[01:48:59] Alexander Mack: inviting me. And you can look at those ruts, you know. Well,

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[01:49:08] Jeff Nesbitt: about that.

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[01:49:11] Alexander Mack: about LASIK? So LASIK is a form of eye refractive surgery. I think it's an eye refractive, uh, it's a refraction surgery.

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[01:49:24] Jeff Nesbitt: Wow. There's things they could do with lasers.

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[01:49:36] Jeff Nesbitt: Little sloppy? Too quick? Too quick. Too quick. Like, take your time, lady. Fuck. I was like, I have time to go to the bathroom. Slow it down. I'll be right back.

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[01:49:46] Alexandra Mack: Well, she was right. Wow.

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[01:49:51] Alexander Mack: I got some

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[01:49:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Is it, is it like a procedure where they do, uh, is it ran by a computer with robotic arms or is it a person holding a laser?

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[01:50:05] Yeah, I think there's a, uh, there, there, I mean, there is a, uh, a surgeon, an eye, an eye doctor or an eye surgeon.

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[01:50:18] Alexander Mack: call center in India. No, he's there. He's massaging your back and telling you how good you're doing, you know.

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[01:50:52] Alexandra Mack: fed up.

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[01:50:57] Jeff Nesbitt: lenses. Yeah. Do you do that? I, well, I... You

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[01:51:16] Jeff Nesbitt: That's the part that gets me. Oh yeah, because you set something down and then, oh my sleeve! Yeah. Yeah.

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[01:51:23] Alexander Mack: Yeah. It's wet. And I, and I've had an issue, um, like, like, uh, your boy Sawyer who fishes in Alaska. I fish up in Alaska and, um, I'm constantly, um, in an environment with dirty hands, I don't have proper hygiene up there, you know, you're not taking a shower.

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[01:51:44] Jeff Nesbitt: does? Oh yeah. Dude, he, he, I mean, I don't want to get into my son's bowel movements. What's the longest shit he's held? Well, when that California road trip. He didn't shit for three days? More. Wow. Like it was probably four day four when he first went in and took a shit and mm-hmm.

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[01:52:09] Alexander Mack: I've, I know people who've beat that record that fished up in Alaska too, like, 'cause it's so uncomfortable. And he

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[01:52:20] Hey, Mel.

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[01:52:25] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm thinking about taking him to the hospital.

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[01:52:33] Jeff Nesbitt: you've ever smelled. Nah, I'm just playing. He's so handsome, I have to say things like that just to keep the pedophiles away. That's true. That's true. That's

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[01:52:40] Hey, Mills.

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[01:52:53] Will you get me that? Maybe someday, maybe someday.

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[01:53:01] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, one's worse than the other one, but she has to wear glasses all the time and it's super annoying.

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[01:53:11] Jeff Nesbitt: When she doesn't wear them, uh, for like a while, her bad eye just shuts off. So she's rockin Uh, non binocular vision. Do you have

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[01:53:31] Yeah, like Captain Jack Sparrow, he had to do that. And it works! Johnny Depp had to do that at a young age. Really? And, yeah, he, uh, he talked about it on that, um, on his trials, I think he, uh, with, uh... What was his wife's name? Amber Heard. Amber Heard, yeah, he talked about that. It was a traumatic time for him.

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[01:53:53] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, I know, he's a millionaire now. So,

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[01:54:16] Jeff Nesbitt: With a local? Like a shot or a gel or something?

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[01:54:23] Jeff Nesbitt: Cocaine eyedrops? I think that's what...

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[01:54:30] Jeff Nesbitt: there... Like, cooling and refreshing, and then you feel like partying also?

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[01:54:33] Alexander Mack: so they put the eyedrops in there, and then the doctor takes his thumb, with a, he's got a latex glove on, And he presses your eyeball and he says, do you feel that? And you don't. And he goes, then you're good to go. And so he says, let's move you on and they sit you down. And, um, so you just had somebody stick their thumb in your eye, which is already traumatic, but when you don't feel it and you're in this, like you want it, but you don't want it, you know what I mean?

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[01:55:08] Jeff Nesbitt: It's kind of like I had, like when I was getting a vasectomy.

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[01:55:31] But, uh, he stuck his thumb in my eye. I said, you don't feel that, then you're good. They move you to a laser that makes a horseshoe shaped incision on your cornea flap, which is like, I think it's like a membrane tear flap that's over the cornea, and once they make that incision, they do both eyes, and they flip that little flapper around, Out of the way, so now your cornea is just like, ready for, fully exposed, it's fully exposed, ready for correction, flip that flapper, yeah they flip the flapper, then uh, they move you, so now you're going from this station, and you're like, in the state where like, I don't know if I should open my eyes or close my eyes or what I should do, your eyes are numb so you can see, but you're also kind of blurry, so then they move you over to the next station, and it's just.

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[01:56:57] They're just saying, hey, you look beautiful. Amelia,

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[01:57:05] Alexander Mack: there. What is she looking for?. She's got some toys down there? She knows how to run the lights. Oh, nice. So, um, So you're looking at this laser. It's green and red. It, it reminded me of a... A mushroom trip I was on at one time, I saw green and reds, and I was just like, wow, this is, I, uh, this looks familiar somehow, um, and, uh, you just sit there, and they just say, they just come for you the whole time, they just say, just breathe, you're doing great, where are you from, where do you live?

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[01:57:45] Jeff Nesbitt: what you're gonna do. I hate when they do that at the dentist, like, oh, I can't answer you right now. I hate when they

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[01:57:55] Yeah, exactly. Like, hey, you know you're about ready to zap my, so they're zapping your eye, and they're like, okay, now just for the next five seconds, don't blink, don't do anything, don't move your eye. I would

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[01:58:09] Alexander Mack: this, um, this like little harness, like this little, Like Clockwork Orange?

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[01:58:15] Alexander Mack: eyes open? They have an an eyelid open like thing that they put in there

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[01:58:25] Alexander Mack: but you can see it from the outside.

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[01:58:28] Alexandra Mack: hindsight, I wish I would've,

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[01:58:32] Alexander Mack: it would've video videoed it because it was, it like, like I was just froze in

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[01:58:37] Jeff Nesbitt: years. Yeah. Was it defunct? Did you go in and was it, I mean we'll talk actually, we'll talk about the mall.

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[01:58:44] Alexander Mack: Yeah, but like we were in like, it was in the, what mall center was in Tigard? Mm hmm.

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[01:58:52] Alexander Mack: Yeah, right? Was that Boone's Ferry? Washington Square Mall? Uh, was that the?

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[01:59:04] Jeff Nesbitt: Was it Clackamas? No. Oh.

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[01:59:11] Jeff Nesbitt: oh, there you go. That's the American flag lights if you want to do like patriotic. Oh, look at this.

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[01:59:25] To me it looked like miles away and I have no idea what they say. So what

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[01:59:33] Alexander Mack: now, so, your cornea for, I was considered near sighted, right? So I had near sighted vision. I could only see close.

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[02:00:10] So they're, they need to take off the front nipple of my eye, of my corn. Corn, uh, cornea and, uh, So they shaved that off.

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[02:00:24] Alexander Mack: You know, it's a weird way of thinking about it, but like, I was trying to think of a way to envision it for someone who might not understand, and I still really don't understand how it refracts.

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[02:00:40] Jeff Nesbitt: That's the example I was just

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[02:00:49] Jeff Nesbitt: To where it hits the right spot at the right point.

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[02:01:40] Cause it's

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[02:01:43] Alexander Mack: I think it's 60 percent skin flakes. Okay.

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[02:01:49] Alexander Mack: because they said, then why is an abandoned home full of dust? There's no skin in there. That's an excellent point. Yeah. So there's other things, I think they think it's like carpet fibers that are in dust.

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[02:02:07] Jeff Nesbitt: And so, well, do you know, like I was just talking about this shop dust, which shops are fucking dusty? Smells different than home dust. That's right. Like when you light a shop heater. Yeah. It smells like a shop heater.

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[02:02:23] Alexander Mack: Yeah. No, it's, and it's like, why does a dump always smell like a dump? Yeah. Garbage together. Cumulative garbage always smells like the same thing. It's like the

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[02:02:33] Yeah.

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[02:02:46] Jeff Nesbitt: smell. It is. It's like the most pungent, like the mix of rotten food, dead animals, and garbage. Yeah, it's, it's, it's bad.

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[02:03:09] Jeff Nesbitt: did you use during the healing?

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[02:03:17] Nope.

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[02:03:23] Alexander Mack: Uh, a little dew. In honor of, uh, Stanton. No way. And so, um, and then use, uh, just, um, artificial tears. Do you use

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[02:03:35] Alexander Mack: based? Uh, I'm not sure, but I know they're preservative free. Oh, that's important. I think that's the main

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[02:03:42] Do you get those little single serve ones? Yeah, they're single serve. I like those a

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[02:03:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. I like those. I, so I pretty much had the same surgery, just I did it. You know, old fashioned style. Threw myself into some bushes and just had a stick just tear my cornea like that.

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[02:04:03] Alexander Mack: That is the traditional way. They used to reshape the cornea mechanically. Really?

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[02:04:22] Uh, yeah, I do. So you have dry eye? Uh, yeah. Mostly just when I'm waking up in the morning. It will, like, get real dry and then I try to open my eyes and it fuckin hurts. Yeah.

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[02:04:42] They give you any drugs? No, uh, Tylenol,

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[02:04:49] Alexander Mack: the OxyTrain. I, uh, no, if I had an Oxy... It would have been painless. You'd be fine, yeah. But it felt like somebody took like a mortar and pestle and ground up some chilies and then rubbed that paste, like a compound chili paste, into my eye.

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[02:05:26] I think, uh, some people have maybe less tears, but my eyes were tearing. Non stop, for two hours, after the surgery, and um, it was painful.

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[02:05:40] Alexander Mack: it out, get it out. Yeah, and you can't touch your eyes, they uh, they recommend not touching your eyes for like, a month after

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[02:05:48] Why ever touch your eyes? Oh, you have

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[02:05:56] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't touch my eyes.

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[02:06:05] Jeff Nesbitt: vision.

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[02:06:12] Alexander Mack: Like, how do you get rid of an edge? Supposedly that can, uh, change the cornea shape.

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[02:06:20] Alexander Mack: vision, uh, you're not, you have good vision.

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[02:06:26] Jeff Nesbitt: not often. Nah, they're, you know, they're a pain. I don't, but they do help me see. Like, uh, far distance? I don't even know where they are. I haven't seen them for weeks. Yeah, so your vision

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[02:06:37] Jeff Nesbitt: yeah, it's good

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[02:06:42] That means like, I could see... That's terrible. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, now I'm 2015 after the surgery. That's

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[02:06:51] Alexander Mack: it's pretty cool. And it was in, it was pretty much within a few hours you could see that, um,

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[02:06:59] Alexander Mack: you're right there where you can get a driver's license,

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[02:07:12] Jeff Nesbitt: astigmatism is what I, I think is the reason my vision's not

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[02:07:24] Jeff Nesbitt: sorry. Yeah. Uh, that's rude. I don't know how to turn that off on the, the

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[02:07:35] Jeff Nesbitt: Bridgeport Village. I used to live right next door. That's in Walton on.

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[02:07:48] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm sorry. Go ahead. They should, I really want to

[: 02:07:50

[02:07:51] If, okay, so we're getting to the mall, but if you're interested in LASIK, contact me, I'll, I'll talk, I'll brief you through the whole thing. Um, I'm not going to do a big talk about it right now.

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[02:08:01] Alexander Mack: slice of the pie. But, um, I will consult. Promo codes, throw out your promo codes. I get, uh, there's referral codes.

[: 02:08:06

[02:08:11] Jeff Nesbitt: tell you about it because he's gone through it. Yeah,

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[02:08:17] Alexandra Mack: they made me feel at peace. They were so professional and kind and...

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[02:08:25] They,

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[02:08:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, shit. Which is, which says the answer. They have their personalized labels? Like, of the, okay. Nice. I got a recycle bin. Nice. What were they called? A LASIK Plus. I see you, LASIK Plus. Yeah. With your little fancy bottles. They're doing good.

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[02:08:45] I think that's when the FDA approved

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[02:08:49] Alexander Mack: I think it was, I think a lot has happened, a lot of, uh, improvements have happened. This machine in particular was... Goddammit.

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[02:09:03] My family.

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[02:09:44] Why do you think you waited? Um, I think I was, uh, wanting just kind of like the electric vehicle. I think it's the same thing. It's like I'm waiting for like it to get to a point where like the price and the product is, you know, where I

[: 02:09:59

[02:10:04] Where like, fuckin awesome for the price. I like these Milwaukee.

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[02:10:13] Jeff Nesbitt: For the electrics, for the price at a consumer level, I don't think they can be beat.

[: 02:10:17

[02:10:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Metabo.

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[02:10:30] Alexander Mack: originally it was German, but it was bought by Hitachi. Um, Japanese. So, they're, they're Japanese now. And, um, also, like, in the, uh, electric department, I think the Japanese are gonna, they have a solid state battery in the new Toyotas. I think they're gonna do good. Wow.

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[02:11:15] I had a nice little write off on top of it. So it was a win win. I couldn't afford not to get LASIK at that point. So

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[02:11:25] Alexander Mack: free. You did it for free. Well, that's good. That's really good. So if anybody wanted to, uh, and I, and, and I, I had a pro, this was a pro tip from our, uh, Costco optical department.

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[02:12:05] Jeff Nesbitt: for a good pair.

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[02:12:17] Alexander Mack: the, the 15 minutes of discomfort was actually wasn't bad at all. It was the two hours after , after the, like when the numbing wore off, that's when the pain happened.

[: 02:12:26

[02:12:27] Jeff Nesbitt: little couple of spritz for the road of those cocaine drops they

[: 02:12:30

[02:12:40] Alexandra Mack: Supposed to be a 34 minute drive,

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[02:12:42] With traffic. And they, they recommend like right after the surgery just pass out and it's not as discomfort, the discomfort's not as bad, but... So

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[02:12:57] Alexandra Mack: was so hard to stay in one place, there was just

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[02:13:00] That's a very high end mall. That's like a, that's like got your Gucci and product stores and all that shit. Oh, yeah, you

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[02:13:25] And, um, they said, okay, you're approved, you have great eyes for LASIK, and what they're looking for is the thickness of your cornea. You got a big thick one? So I have super thick corneas. A couple thickies? Like, they're like, we can take a few, um, I don't know if they're... If it's, it's millimeters or what they're, what they're looking at, but it's, it's, it's a metric, it's definitely the metric system, and they're, um, they said you got a thick enough cornea, we can shave that off, and, um,

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[02:13:59] Are we talking microns? Like, tiny, tiny? You know, you could

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[02:14:07] Jeff Nesbitt: They never answer my good questions I don't think they would answer their questions. Like, sir, please leave. We don't like your type

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[02:14:17] I didn't ask about the thickness of the cornea. There was a picture they take and you look at it and you're like, oh, okay. And they say, you see this, that means you got a good thick cornea .

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[02:14:32] Alexander Mack: see that. I mean, how could, I mean, just by looking at me, you could tell I got a thick cornea, you know, and I just, um, pretty basically set up my appointment for the same day as the consultation and, um, It worked out great where we had sushi for lunch in between,

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[02:14:48] So bippity boppity boom, you're done that day? Yeah, we went in, got... Time for sushi, huh? Yeah,

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[02:15:07] No. And

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[02:15:13] Alexander Mack: that. I agree. I think I could take a laser pretty much anywhere but the eye and tuck it in there. Yeah. And um, and you're looking at people that are, like this place had 30 patients for that day. And so you're seeing, that's a lot, patients coming out of there and you're looking at them, they don't look happy, they don't look like they're, like ah fuck

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[02:15:34] Alexander Mack: eye.

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[02:15:43] Alexandra Mack: And we were being so sweet. Our cheerleaders were like, good job! How's your vision?

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[02:15:55] But, you know, I, like I should have done that a long time ago. Yeah. Like looking

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[02:16:09] Alexander Mack: think that was a good strategy though, because like in your high school years.

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[02:16:19] Alexander Mack: Yeah. So, it worked out good. It did. It was fine. You know, you

[: 02:16:22

[02:16:25] Alexander Mack: have a, you have a family, you have a wife and kids. Nobody cares anymore. Yeah. Like, it worked out good.

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[02:16:33] Jeff Nesbitt: pandemic. It was a good time. Unless you needed to have your braces serviced. Is that when you got your braces? I got my braces, uh, December of 2019. Wow. And so, yeah, I'd had them for a couple months and then we all masked up.

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[02:16:47] I planned

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[02:16:57] Alexander Mack: So it's been a month since LASIK and my eyes are... It's still a whole new world, huh? It's yeah, it's a whole new world.

[: 02:17:05

[02:17:07] Alexander Mack: splendor.

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[02:17:16] Jeff Nesbitt: I don't have to do. Has this ever happened to you? Um, your eyes just fucking itchy like crazy. And so you're like, you summon your spouse into the bathroom and she's like, Hey, can you look in up, look up into my eye and see if there's anything in there causing, uh, causing itching sensations?

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[02:17:49] Pretty gross, but again, really good spouse. And then, uh, you get them all out of there and then she's like, wow, that's a lot better. Has that ever happened?

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[02:18:05] Alexandra Mack: Makes my eyes hurt just

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[02:18:07] So that happened to you, huh?

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[02:18:27] Alexander Mack: in there.

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[02:18:35] Jeff Nesbitt: cause you're, it's counterintuitive.

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[02:18:47] My, I'd be rubbing my eyelids, you know, the eyes behind. But it was like, somehow that would grab that thing and it would taco and go up in my eyelid and, um, It happened enough times to a point where I was like, okay, when I'm in the shower, we're not touching the eyes as much. Oh,

[: 02:19:05

[02:19:21] Mm-hmm. . So, but the oil glands are what get clogged most often and uh, that's why you get real crusty eyes. And

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[02:19:30] Jeff Nesbitt: nice oil. It's a good oil and, uh, keeps your eyes real slippery and real slippery, slidey, just how you like 'em.

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[02:19:48] Alexander Mack: Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. And actually, uh, with LASIK, that's why you get the dry eyes because they, that original horseshoe shaped, you know, incision they make.

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[02:20:28] Also, they, it makes you not blink as much because you don't realize. Your eyes are dry. You lost some sensation. You lost, you lose some sensation. And so, um, that, that, that whole procedure is why you get dry. And hopefully in time that comes back. Yeah. I think, uh, overall, I'm, I've been a fortunate patient who've, who's experienced good recovery.

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[02:21:07] Alexandra Mack: lack of hydration. Well, Alex got LASIK a month ago, but a few hours ago, I just found out who my dad was.

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[02:21:22] Alexandra Mack: hear about that. Yeah, so I've given you a little bit of my backstory, genetically. I found out when I was 20 years old that my dad wasn't my dad, kind of this big family secret. My mom asked me to never ask any questions.

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[02:21:57] Um, to, what were you gonna

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[02:22:03] Alexandra Mack: So far I've found six. That's quite a

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[02:22:11] Alexandra Mack: We do, a couple of us do now. Um, so, I got on there, I see these things, I ask my mother a few questions, anyways, she goes on to tell me that my I was a donor sperm, and I thought that was kind of a loose story.

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[02:23:02] What's your story? And I broke the news to him. He thought his dad was his dad, um, however, when he approached him with this information, his dad did come true. His mother had already passed, so she wasn't in the picture anymore. Um, but it was just crazy to me that he was also told the same story, that his, um, mother had been impregnated by this OHSU sperm donor.

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[02:24:00] I grew up in Longview. We went to rival high schools. Ari Long and Mark Morris. He's a year below me. Wow. Isn't that so weird? Yeah. We ended up having...

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[02:24:18] Alexandra Mack: siblings. Yeah, he was born in August of 91.

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[02:24:37] Alexander Mack: happened.

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[02:24:46] And for family confidentiality reasons, I don't want to say their last name because I have no idea if this father wants to have anything to do with me. I don't think. At this point, from the information I've gathered, they ever thought DNA would be this advanced?

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[02:25:18] What was the outcome of that doctor? Hundreds of children. Yeah.

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[02:25:28] Jeff Nesbitt: So is this, is this this kind of situation? Was this guy kind of a creep or was it, or was it like, uh, just he, it is all above board?

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[02:25:38] Alexandra Mack: I have no idea. At this point, I know that he was a senior director at OHSU.

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[02:25:46] Alexandra Mack: suspect. I know that he has a son who is an attorney in Portland.

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[02:25:58] Alexandra Mack: Well yeah, and, and this, um, half brother that I've been in contact with, he works for the state.

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[02:26:18] I don't know, computer engineering, something like that. And I'm like, gosh, I really didn't get this smart genetic. You are smart though. Well, I'm not like smart and educated.

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[02:26:32] Alexandra Mack: mom said, she was like, I was hoping you'd go to college.

[: 02:26:36

[02:26:38] No, but I've always known you were smart. That doesn't surprise me at all.

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[02:26:58] Jeff Nesbitt: place to be. Yeah. You, if you're stable and you think that you know who your parents are, you may be wrong.

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[02:27:17] You believe that's your father. And so did I until I was 20 years old, and I found out I wasn't because my brother was drunk, and he accidentally told me. So, it's like, anything is possible, and I think that DNA test, and I think that, um, Alex is going to be doing that soon. We would like to test him for the Alzheimer's gene.

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[02:27:47] Alexander Mack: they don't look alike at all. Could be my uncle.

[: 02:27:50

[02:27:58] Alexander Mack: I've heard that.

[: 02:28:00

[02:28:03] Jeff Nesbitt: but I'm sure Well, you lost that weight now you're looking at a lot younger than you did a few months ago. Yeah. You're looking

[: 02:28:08

[02:28:14] Jeff Nesbitt: That's my, when, when did you check it last? Did you check every day on that scale?

[: 02:28:17

[02:28:38] Let's save it for next time.

[: 02:28:39

[02:28:40] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm down for that. I'm down for that.

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[02:28:47] Jeff Nesbitt: 34. I'll be 35 in like, oh, two weeks.

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[02:28:55] New Jeff: Uh, we're gonna have a big, um, celebration of life, which is, is fucking such a kind of like crappy term.

[: 02:29:01

[02:29:02] Alexander Mack: celebrations of the lives.

[: 02:29:03

[02:29:18] Like, I don't, I don't know. It seems fake to me, but yeah, it's, it's for everybody. What it

[: 02:29:22

[02:29:27] Jeff Nesbitt: October 28th At Chinook School And

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[02:29:33] Jeff Nesbitt: later. But your birthday's the same.

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[02:29:36] Alexander Mack: October? Yeah. Nice. Yeah. My brother's is the 6th of October. I know. So we're having all sorts of birthdays and celebrations. Well, I felt

[: 02:29:43

[02:29:57] Jeff Nesbitt: 98 year old celebration of life sounds a pretty fitting Yeah, absolutely.

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[02:30:02] Alexandra Mack: when they hit milestones, and that's a tragedy. There's a reason to, to celebrate all that they lived for. But I, I thought it was a, a strange way to, to and her life. And a celebration. Well, your dad's

[: 02:30:15

[02:30:17] Jeff Nesbitt: October. Oh. We'll be there. Uh, I don't know what time, but I'll.

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[02:30:22] Alexander Mack: Are you guys going to do like a photo, like a, like a, like a, like a video?

[: 02:30:28

[02:30:39] She's got a lot of stuff from back in the day. We

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[02:30:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Yes, that's definitely staying in. Yeah, it's sad. It's going to be, that's going to be a sad event, but, um, honestly, he was sick for a long time, and, uh, I mean, the first time that he almost died in the hospital, like, ten years ago, uh, I started preparing myself for like, okay, this is going to be awful, but it's going to happen at some point, so, like, I feel like I'm, I'm going through the grieving process pretty well, pretty well.

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[02:31:38] It's nice. That's life. There's a

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[02:31:42] Alexandra Mack: I imagine you guys getting together and it makes me

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[02:31:47] Alexander Mack: But I wanna say the, the last, uh, moment I had with your dad was, it was, it was pretty cool. 'cause he, um, it was Rod Run, so it was super fitting for a guy who did autobody his whole life.

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[02:31:58] Jeff Nesbitt: was his, that was his weekend. I like, I can't think of anybody else that, I mean anything else, I would've been more fitting.

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[02:32:22] And how it is, it's spelt funny, too. Yeah. Like a T U, I don't know. And, um, I said, yeah, that'd be cool, man. I'd be into that. I'd be, I'd like to go, I'd like to go drive around a hot rod on Rod Run. That'd be fun. So we cruise over and there's your dad in that 36, I think it's also a two door, coupe. Yep, coupe, 36 coupe.

[: 02:32:42

[02:33:02] Hey, Jeff, you're looking pretty cool, and he's like, well, you are cool, and I go, thanks, Jeff, and I look over and he's got that little dog, is it Chuck, is, what's the little

[: 02:33:13

[02:33:18] Alexander Mack: looking like this big boy in this little car, you know, and I'm like, it's good you got your counterweight over there, and here's little Chucky on the passenger seat, you know, and he's like, yep, Chucky's a good dog.

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[02:33:47] Jeff Nesbitt: on it right away?

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[02:33:53] It was just jerking and he couldn't get that car to smooth out. So it was just, we were just like fighting this car. Um, it felt really embarrassing for Jay, cause your dad was behind him, but your dad was going through, there was things wrong with that car too, you know, 36 had something going

[: 02:34:11

[02:34:15] Alexander Mack: ago.

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[02:34:46] To Nakata and that's when we realized the parking brake was still on and so your brother's working that clutch against that parking brake Yeah, and it just was making a jerky ride. Your dad was going through something in the back But we weren't paying much attention to him. He's behind us. So Jake's just thinking.

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[02:35:02] Jeff Nesbitt: back There's just smoke pouring out from the wheels

[: 02:35:05

[02:35:29] And um, it was fun, and uh, then um, then your dad cruised home because the car wasn't running right, and Jake and I cruised back to Jake's house. And it was, I thought that was that, you know, I thought, great, cool, we got some photos in the Hot Rods, we visited your mom, Tori, um, and, and that was cool, she loved it, the Hot Rods, but then, um, later that night, you know, cause Alex works at the Roo all night, um, your dad's, your dad called Jake and said, hey Jake, I need some tools to fix that 36, and Jake's like, well come on over and get them, so your dad cruised on over, And he bullshitted with us for about an hour inside Jake's shop.

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[02:36:31] I was like, I didn't even know you really knew my wife, but he, you know, he got on Facebook. I think he, he was able to navigate on Facebook so he could see photos and he knew what was going on.

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[02:36:47] I'm going to make sure to tell him that when I see him. And then he saw you. And it was like. .

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[02:36:54] Alexander Mack: and, and so I was just, for me was he knew who you

[: 02:36:56

[02:37:00] Alexander Mack: think he knew. I don't know if he knew he was on his way out, but he's like, this boy had an idea.

[: 02:37:04

[02:37:33] Jeff Nesbitt: you know.

[: 02:37:33

[02:37:51] Alexander Mack: hit it off.

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[02:37:57] Jeff Nesbitt: a kid who like knew your way around a shop which he automatically respected. Yeah and

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[02:38:24] Yeah, and um, But I'm, like, that last, if that, if that was our last conversation, then that, uh, it was good, but that's what it was, you know. I think that's all you

[: 02:38:34

[02:38:43] Yeah, and,

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[02:38:54] Jeff Nesbitt: Like you wish he was

[: 02:38:54

[02:39:03] Yeah. Have a good rest of the trip, you know, whatever works out. Yeah. But,

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[02:39:24] But it almost went from like the time when I was a kid. We weren't bickering because he was just like the ultimate authority. I didn't ever talk back and none of that shit. And then too, like now I'm an adult. So, I mean. I'm not to speak ill of the dead, but I'm going to get the fuck away from this guy.

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[02:39:42] Alexander Mack: um... I think that's natural for most of our families.

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[02:40:06] The, the closest thing to it would be like, oh, we never see each other, and that, like, bums us both out, but, you know, it is what it is, but, yeah. Does it, do you... I mean, I know that, like, we're all gonna lose our parents, um, but do you, uh, as our parents are getting older, do you feel the end coming near and draw closer to them?

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[02:40:32] Jeff Nesbitt: I cherish my mom more today than I did two weeks ago. Like, I think about that, I've thought about that a lot. Like, oh man, this has definitely made me really appreciate my mom. Yeah, I think

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[02:40:46] Alexandra Mack: we said we don't really want to get into it right now, so we don't have to delve, but I know that I...

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[02:41:33] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Yeah, especially when they're young.

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[02:41:38] Jeff Nesbitt: your dad. Yeah, they're not old.

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[02:41:49] Jeff Nesbitt: not expect that to happen like that. Yeah. The way it all went down was kind of a shock.

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[02:41:55] Alexander Mack: it'll probably take a long time to process. I'm sure it won't hit you. I mean, it hit you already, but

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[02:42:05] Alexander Mack: yeah. I'm sure it will, yeah, and, uh, you know, um, yeah, I was

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[02:42:22] I'm pretty happy, like, I'm really sad, like, um... But I'm happy about where, where I am in my life and I'm like, the death of my father is something that was never, I was never going to avoid that. So I've always, it's been part of the deal from day one. And um, the grief, I've talked about this before in reference to the dog, Daisy.

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[02:43:08] Alexander Mack: Like, It's funny you compare, like, a dog with a father, but it's so true. It's like, you lose a dog.

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[02:43:17] Alexander Mack: up. From that day on your life has changed. Same with a loved one. It's

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[02:43:29] I've been really lucky that I haven't lost people who I've been close with and I'm not close with that many people. So when I do it, it's uh, it's a big deal, but the dog was a Very close in

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[02:43:50] I was like, I'm, I'm broke, I'm broken. Like, it's gonna take a while to heal from this one. And she was this tiny little shit poo, you know, and, uh, but I love that dog, you know, and she didn't deserve to die so soon, you know, but, um. You know, I guess it was an old dog

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[02:44:13] Yeah, it's true. Yeah, Daisy was not even quite ten. And she got cancer and it fucking killed her. Yeah. Like, that was, it was tragic to me. And I just didn't anticipate that being the way it ended. It wasn't how I played it out in my mind. Um, and really, with my dad, same thing. I did not expect him to die like this.

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[02:44:36] Alexander Mack: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm still actually in shock by your dad, but I, uh...

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[02:44:46] Alexander Mack: why celebration is going to be so important, is to sit there and kind of deal with it, with everybody.

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[02:44:59] Jeff Nesbitt: it's been a hell of a year. Hell of a year.

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[02:45:10] Jeff Nesbitt: He's having one this weekend.

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[02:45:13] Alexander Mack: sale. See you Saturday. I'm

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[02:45:20] Alexander Mack: But, um, it'd be cool to see Cooper. I think he made the post, so I want to go and check it out. Yeah. And, um... Yeah, and Jamie, just like your dad, he was like that generational beacon of the, I don't know, what did you say, the 80s?

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[02:45:37] Jeff Nesbitt: what was there? Yeah, the Gen Xers, the boomer Gen

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[02:45:46] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah, Craig, too. CJ's

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[02:45:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Probably more that we're forgetting. I'm definitely more. Oh yeah,

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[02:46:08] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh yeah, the ones I knew about were pretty bad. I could list them all off. I think about, like,

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[02:46:13] Jeff Nesbitt: stuff, like. Yeah. Breathing in toxic chemicals every day is not good. Also, the energy drinks weren't good those years he was pounding those rock stars. Was he a rock star guy? Oh yeah, remember when those big orange juice ones, the cans?

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[02:46:28] Alexander Mack: the No Fear, or no, what was the, what was the orange one? Was that Rockstar? It was

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[02:47:04] It's like gel. Uh, I forget what they call that, the blood pooling where it just gets all gross, but crazy shit. And it took like six months to get rid of it. You could like draw a happy face in his belly and it would stay. Yeah. Um, more than that too, but this last one, got him. He didn't beat this one, but he was the toughest son of a bitch I ever knew, and I will miss him a lot.

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[02:47:28] Alexander Mack: he was. And he was always, always made you laugh, every time you see him, you just laugh at something he said, you know. Even when he was sleeping, he said funny things.

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[02:47:42] Alexander Mack: the funniest thing you ever heard him say when he was asleep?

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[02:48:17] I was like, oh, hey, Dad. He's like, hey, um, is the big milkshake thirsty? I was like, what? What? It's a simple question. Is that giant milkshake thirsty? I was like, uh, what? He's like, And then he started getting fucking pissed off and like really wanted to know if that giant milkshake was thirsty. And I didn't even know what sleep talking was and I thought he was serious and it escalated from there and I ended up waking him up.

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[02:49:00] Alexander Mack: What was, uh, what do you, he'd rather drink milk out of something.

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[02:49:05] Alexander Mack: was probably gonna leave that

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[02:49:11] Alexander Mack: Uh, he was funny.

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[02:49:24] Jeff Nesbitt: I should, I wish I could've got 'em in for a full episode. Yeah. On the good mikes. That quality of that one was bad.

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[02:49:30] Alexandra Mack: impressed by how he can date everything by a car.

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[02:49:35] Alexandra Mack: Yeah. On this day we were driving this and Oh yeah. When we, when we over there and there was this van and Yeah, this and this year and oh my gosh, what a memory.

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[02:49:52] Alexandra Mack: That's how you would express that? Yeah.

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[02:50:00] Jeff Nesbitt: know. It really feels like that. I, I feel definitely like it's a new chapter. Yeah, it is. It's weird, but it'll be good. Yeah. You know, life goes on. Life goes

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[02:50:15] Jeff Nesbitt: We better wrap it up. It's nine o'clock, um, and it's a school night, so I better get in the house. Yeah.

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[02:50:41] I was not an alcoholic, and I think that people get confused. They're like, why are you quitting? You know, you didn't, you're not an alcoholic, you don't drink every day, what's the issue? It's like, well, I did have a drinking problem, and however that fits into your story, you can quit if you want. And whether people are judging you or not, I just want to put that out there.

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[02:51:33] Alexander Mack: but it is hard to find sober friends.

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[02:51:41] Alexandra Mack: Yeah. It's hard to find sober friends, but it's not hard to find. It's, it's not hard for my friends to want to be sober.

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[02:52:01] Alexandra Mack: Yeah, absolutely, and, and just a little side perk, you know, if we want to, uh, grow a family someday, I feel very confident in my body right now, and I feel clean and, um, confident to try to bring in a human into this world in the most beautiful body that I've 15 years old. That's the place you

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[02:52:29] Alexander Mack: For sure.

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[02:52:36] Alexandra Mack: Yeah, well, laugh all you want. It's

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[02:52:39] Alexander Mack: No, I just,

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