Host Kortney Ross dives deep into the significant costs businesses face when they lack proper support structures for working parents, particularly those dealing with pregnancy and lactation-related issues. Kortney highlights startling statistics and shares real-world examples to illustrate just how much organizations can lose—both financially and in terms of talent retention—when they fail to provide necessary accommodations. She also emphasizes the importance of awareness and training, especially with the implementation of the Pregnant Workers Fairness Act. If you're keen on building a family-friendly, future-ready workplace, this episode is a must-listen.
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Welcome to the NextGen Work Culture podcast, where leaders learn
Speaker:to support working parents. Because being a family friendly
Speaker:business isn't just a nice to have anymore. It's
Speaker:essential for businesses that want to stay competitive, and it is
Speaker:critical for the next generation and those who are raising them. I'm
Speaker:your host, Courtney Ross, and I am so glad that you're here.
Speaker:Welcome back to the NextGen work culture. We're
Speaker:coming at you with a solo episode today. I want to
Speaker:talk about how much it can cost an
Speaker:organization if they don't have
Speaker:support in place for working parents. Specifically, we're
Speaker:going to talk about pregnancy and lactation related
Speaker:issues. So let's pretend that
Speaker:a company has about 40
Speaker:employees working for them, 40 female employees.
Speaker:The statistics show that about 30 of them are going to
Speaker:become pregnant during their career. And
Speaker:if you don't have good support structures in
Speaker:place, chances are about
Speaker:six of those original 40 are going to leave. Because around
Speaker:20% of women quit work just
Speaker:before or shortly after giving birth. The cost
Speaker:of replacing each of those employees is probably going to cost about
Speaker:six to nine months of their salary. So let's say
Speaker:for easy math that each of them makes $100,000 a year.
Speaker:That means it's going to cost at least $50,000 to
Speaker:replace each one of those six employees that left
Speaker:just because they weren't feeling supported during or after their
Speaker:pregnancy. Now, multiply that by six and you've got about
Speaker:$300,000 just in the cost to
Speaker:replace these employees that you've lost.
Speaker:And if one of them left because they felt that they were being
Speaker:discriminated against during their pregnancy, and they file a pregnancy
Speaker:discrimination claim, the average cost of those, if
Speaker:you settle outside of court, is about
Speaker:$18,000. So those
Speaker:costs added up really quickly for a relatively small
Speaker:organization of just about 40 female employees.
Speaker:Now, let's say that you're a much larger company
Speaker:with about 1000 female employees.
Speaker:That math is going to really add up, because out of
Speaker:those 1000 employees, 75% of them, or about
Speaker:750, are going to become pregnant at some time during their
Speaker:career. And that's going to cost over seven and a half
Speaker:million dollars in recruiting and training new
Speaker:employees to replace the all of the pregnant women
Speaker:who are leaving either shortly before or shortly
Speaker:after they give birth. So
Speaker:why is this important? Why should we be
Speaker:caring about supporting pregnant employees in the workforce?
Speaker:Well, times have changed significantly. In the early
Speaker:1960s, only about 44% of women
Speaker:worked at all during their pregnancy. But
Speaker:in the early two thousands, that went up to about
Speaker:66% of mothers who gave birth to their first child between
Speaker:2006 and 2000, 866 percent of those
Speaker:moms were working during their pregnancy. And in the early
Speaker:1960s, only about 35% of women
Speaker:actually worked up to that 9th month of pregnancy, and
Speaker:82% worked into the final month
Speaker:in the early two thousands. That's a pretty big difference.
Speaker:So now we have up to 82% of women
Speaker:working up to or very near their due dates while
Speaker:they are pregnant. And that was just not happening
Speaker:40, 50, 60 years ago. So now we have the
Speaker:pregnant Workers Fairness act in place. We have the pregnancy
Speaker:Discrimination act. We have some laws that are supposed to help
Speaker:ensure that women are getting the support that they need at work,
Speaker:that they're not being discriminated against, that they're getting the accommodations that they
Speaker:need. But we still have a lot of organizations that just aren't
Speaker:quite getting it right. But times have
Speaker:changed. We have a lot of women who are breadwinners or
Speaker:are single parents. And our workplaces
Speaker:really have got to catch up to
Speaker:the new norm. And it's not even new. It's been
Speaker:around for decades now. It's just time that we got up.
Speaker:Let's think about a couple of examples of
Speaker:when it could really cost you if you don't have this sort
Speaker:of support or accommodations routines in
Speaker:place in 2020. There
Speaker:was a very large food processing plant, Purdue,
Speaker:who told a pregnant employee that she
Speaker:was not going to be able to keep water nearby and have extra
Speaker:restroom breaks when she came back to work. She had a high risk
Speaker:pregnancy. She was coming back off of
Speaker:having an infection, and those were the bare minimum things she needed just to be
Speaker:able to do her job. She needed extra water, and she needed to go to
Speaker:the bathroom more often. And an HR manager told her that that
Speaker:wasn't going to be possible, that she needed to take leave
Speaker:and apply for short term disability, which she
Speaker:did, but she was still eventually fired, and they cited that her
Speaker:extended absence was the reason. Of course, she got
Speaker:very upset about this, as she should have, and she filed a suit
Speaker:claiming discrimination due to sex, pregnancy, and
Speaker:disability. Poor Duke settled out of court. So I don't know
Speaker:the exact cost of this litigation, but I'm sure
Speaker:it was a lot. And this was before the pregnant workers
Speaker:Fairness act. Now, under the
Speaker:PWFA, we have some
Speaker:accommodations that just must be done every time they're asked for. These are
Speaker:called predictable assessments. And those predictable assessments are
Speaker:the right to carry or keep drinking water nearby, have extra
Speaker:bathroom breaks, sit or stand, the opposite of what may
Speaker:be normal for the job and have extra breaks for eating and
Speaker:drinking. So that would have been a clear cut case under
Speaker:the Pregnant Workers Fairness act, that this woman absolutely
Speaker:should have been given those accommodations. But one manager told her
Speaker:no, and that cost the company a lot of money to file
Speaker:outside of court. Earlier this year, in 2024,
Speaker:Walmart also had some problems where a
Speaker:manager told a female employee that she was
Speaker:not promoted just because she was a mother with young children. And this isn't
Speaker:exactly related to pregnancy. But of course, she had gone through
Speaker:a couple of pregnancies to get to those children. Probably. But
Speaker:this is just an example where one manager cost the
Speaker:company a lot, and I think we're going to run into that problem
Speaker:very frequently with the Pregnant Workers Fairness act. The EEOC
Speaker:even specifically states that managers must
Speaker:be trained to be able
Speaker:to recognize accommodation requests, which may be a simple conversation
Speaker:or even something like a text message from an employee. And
Speaker:they must be trained to act on those requests quickly.
Speaker:So they need to know the predictable assessments. They need to know what to do
Speaker:if a pregnant employee asks for accommodations, and they need to
Speaker:know how to do it quickly, they have to be empowered to do it themselves
Speaker:without going through a bunch of hoops and loops and jumps and
Speaker:paperworks and forms or third party
Speaker:providers like that is just not going to be acceptable under the Pregnant
Speaker:Workers Fairness act. So it's super important
Speaker:that companies train their managers
Speaker:on this new law that they understand they have
Speaker:to give accommodations and that they have to support
Speaker:women or employees during their pregnancy and
Speaker:after, during the phases of lactation or maybe
Speaker:postpartum depression or other issues come up. That's all
Speaker:covered under the Pregnant Workers Fairness act, and it can really cost the company
Speaker:a lot of money if they're not doing this.
Speaker:The settlement for that Walmart case
Speaker:that I mentioned, where one manager messed up,
Speaker:told an employee that she wasn't promoted
Speaker:just because of her children. The cost of that was
Speaker:$60,000 in settlement fines, plus, I'm sure, an
Speaker:additional corpath costs, and they had to promise to train all
Speaker:of their managers. And that wasn't even a claim under the
Speaker:Pregnant Workers Fairness act. That was just a discrimination claim. The Pregnant Workers
Speaker:Fairness act, we are going to start seeing claims that are going to cost
Speaker:companies a lot of money when most of it is going to
Speaker:boil down to one manager was asked by one
Speaker:employee for a relatively
Speaker:simple and short term accommodation.
Speaker:So if your managers don't know about this, they absolutely need to.
Speaker:And if you need some help training them, you could check out
Speaker:courtneyross.com leadershiptraining to learn more about
Speaker:the programs that I offer to help, be sure that all of the
Speaker:frontline managers understand how to comply with this new law, because it's
Speaker:super important and it can cost your organization a lot of money if you
Speaker:don't do it. So go check it out.
Speaker:If you enjoyed this episode, I know you'll love the future ready work
Speaker:culture framework. Head over to courtneyross.com
Speaker:framework to download your copy and start building a family
Speaker:friendly, future ready workplace today. Don't
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