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Trust Over Testing: What Finland Can Teach Us About Keeping Teachers
Episode 79 • 14th November 2025 • Be A Funky Teacher Podcast • Mr Funky Teacher Nicholas Kleve
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In this episode, I explore why teacher retention looks so different in Finland compared to the United States and what that contrast reveals about trust, autonomy, and respect in education. As Mr. Funky Teacher, Nicholas Kleve, I reflect on a post by Dr. Brad Johnson that stopped me in my tracks and pushed me to think deeper about why teachers stay—or leave.

I share insights from Finland’s education system, including fewer teaching hours, more collaboration time, multiple daily recesses, and a culture of professional trust. I reflect on how these structures honor teachers as skilled professionals rather than employees who must constantly prove their worth.

I connect these ideas to my own experiences in Nebraska, including recent conversations around teacher burnout and retention. I talk honestly about what happens when educators feel micromanaged instead of mentored and how constant testing erodes morale.

I end by encouraging educators to cultivate trust and joy within their own classrooms while continuing to advocate for systems that value teachers as professionals. Retention doesn’t start with recruitment—it starts with trust.

Show Notes

• Highlighting key differences between Finland’s education system and the U.S. model.

• Explaining how trust and autonomy impact long-term teacher retention.

• Discussing the role of collaboration time and reduced teaching hours.

• Exploring how student recess and regulation support effective teaching.

• Reflecting on the cost of teacher turnover beyond financial measures.

• Connecting national research to Nebraska’s teacher retention challenges.

• Emphasizing mentorship over micromanagement in school leadership.

• Encouraging classroom-level culture building even when systems lag behind.

Key Takeaways

• Teachers stay longer when they feel trusted and respected.

• Excessive testing and micromanagement contribute to burnout and attrition.

• Collaboration and reflection time are essential to effective teaching.

• Retention problems cannot be solved without addressing working conditions.

• Trust-based systems benefit both educators and students.

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unky Teacher (Nicholas Kleve):

This is Mr. Funky Teacher with BeAFunkyTeacher.com. I’m coming to you with another Be a Funky Teacher podcast. Welcome back, everyone.

Today’s episode is called Trust Over Testing: What Finland Can Teach Us About Keeping Teachers. I recently came across another post from Dr. Brad Johnson, a leading educator, author, and advocate for teacher well-being, and it stopped me in my tracks. He compared Finland’s education system to ours, and the numbers tell a story we can’t ignore.

Before we get into it, let’s talk about three things that I’m thankful for.

First, I’m thankful for my fifth-grade teaching team. I’m grateful for colleagues who collaborate, care, and support one another. When the team works, everything else flows.

Second, I’m thankful for classroom mascots and silly fun. From Ligament Larry to Cocoa Puffs, those playful elements build community and bring joy into learning spaces.

Third, I’m thankful for Christmas lights. They bring warmth and comfort during long, dark days and remind me that light matters.

So let’s dig in. Who is Dr. Brad Johnson and why does his message matter? He focuses on teacher morale, professional respect, and educational reform. His post highlighted Finland, where nearly 90 percent of teachers stay for their entire careers. Compare that to the United States, where almost half leave within five years.

When teachers feel trusted, they stay. When they feel tested, they leave.

Finland does several things differently. Teachers teach fewer hours and spend more time planning, collaborating, and reflecting. Students have multiple daily recesses, which improves focus and reduces behavioral issues. Teachers have professional autonomy within broad guidelines, and leaders mentor rather than micromanage.

Evaluation exists, but it isn’t weaponized. The belief is that teachers want to improve, not prove their worth.

In the U.S., we often say we trust teachers, but our systems don’t show it. Mandates pile up. Planning time is sacrificed. Recess is treated as optional. Meanwhile, we spend billions replacing teachers instead of fixing the conditions that push them out.

The real cost of losing teachers isn’t just financial. It’s broken relationships, disrupted learning, and lost mentorship. You can’t recruit your way out of a retention problem if you don’t stop the bleed.

Trust is transformational. It builds ownership, fuels creativity, and allows teachers to focus on students instead of survival.

Being a funky teacher means challenging the status quo with heart. While we may not control the system, we can cultivate trust and joy within our classrooms and continue advocating for better conditions.

The difference between Finland’s success and ours isn’t talent. It’s trust. When teachers are valued and trusted, they stay. And when teachers stay, students thrive.

I hope you found value in this episode. If you did, head over to Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen and leave a five-star review. Remember to inspire greatness in young people—and don’t forget to be a funky teacher. Bye now.

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