In this episode of Spirits and Stories with Donald Dunn, we bring you a powerful storytelling podcast experience grounded in real life stories, inspiring interviews, and the depth of the human experience. We sit down with Christopher Mayer, a former U.S. Navy SEAL whose personal journey challenges everything we think we know about toughness, resilience, and healing.

Christopher opens up about the invisible wounds carried from childhood and combat, and why the traditional “push through it” mindset fails those living with unresolved trauma. His story is one of overcoming adversity by redefining strength—not as endurance, but as the process of becoming whole. Through deep conversations, he shares how trauma lives in the body, how the nervous system holds stress, and why true healing must be physical, emotional, and mental.

Drawing from ancient Chinese medicine and modern neuroscience, Christopher developed the True Body Intelligence system—an approach that helps restore the nervous system and unlock the body’s innate capacity to heal. These resilience stories reveal that recovery is possible, that inherited pain can be released, and that your past does not determine your future.

This episode delivers profound life lessons for veterans and civilians alike, reminding us that healing is not weakness—it is transformation. Whether you’re drawn to veteran stories, personal growth, or real conversations about trauma and recovery, this conversation offers clarity, hope, and a new definition of resilience.

Takeaways:

1. Childhood and combat trauma shape how resilience is formed and expressed.
2. Traditional toughness often fails to resolve emotional and physical pain.
3. True Body Intelligence blends ancient wisdom with modern science for holistic healing.
4. Resilience is redefined as becoming whole, not merely enduring.
5. Healing releases inherited trauma and limiting beliefs.
6. These methods have transformed veterans and high-performance athletes alike.

Links Referenced in This Episode:

truebodyintelligence.com

freeforlife.com

instagram.com/truebodyintelligence

youtube.com/truebodyintelligence

My guest today is Christopher meyer, a former U.S. navy SEAL who has dedicated his post military life to understanding and healing the toll that intense physical, mental, and emotional stress leaves behind.

After years of pushing his body and mind to the limit, both as a child and in the teams, Christopher realized that traditional toughness alone doesn't heal the hidden wounds of trauma.

Drawing from his own journey, he began developing powerful methods for transforming stress and unlocking the body's true potential.

His approach is rooted in traditional Chinese medicine and the universal healing dao system.

And he integrates ancient wisdom with modern scientific principles to create what's now known as the true body intelligence system.

His system has become a secret weapon for ncaa, professional and even Olympic athletes, helping them increase performance, eliminate stored stress, and achieve a level of inner peace most people never reach.

Today, he shares how emotional health, somatic healing, and nervous system regulation can change not only the lives of veterans, but but anyone carrying invisible weight from the past.

Let's welcome to the show Christopher Mayer.

Hey, how's it going, Chris?

Hey, hey, hey, hey.

Alive.

Another day is a good day, right?

It's sunny, I'm in Southern California.

The weather's nice and cool, and I'm happy to be here talking to a football fan.

Yeah, absolutely, man.

We had a good conversation before the.

The recording.

It's good to talk to somebody that follows teams, not just when they're.

They're doing well and then the rest of the time not watching.

Yeah, I mean, I've been an Eagles fan since the 70s when they sucked, and I'm happy that I've just stayed on board, but I'm just loyal.

You know what I mean?

Yep.

Like, the Sixers are terrible.

You know, they've had all the opportunities in the world.

Penn State football, James Franklin and his poor decision making.

When.

When it matters most in games, you.

You just have to stick to your teams and eventually hope that they find a way to win.

And it's just, it's so nice being an Eagles fan now because they're so consistent.

But I'm sure at some point I will be looking at, you know, four and.

And what's that, 13 seasons again?

@ some point.

But for now, I'm happy to ride the happy.

Train.

Yeah, I mean, you guys are inventors right now, you know, inventing the tush push, you.

Know, the brotherly.

Shove.

The brotherly shove, Absolutely.

Man.

Dude, did you.

Did you see that episode with.

On late night with, oh, what's the guy?

Jim on.

On the Jimmy Fallon show, and then Saquon Barkley.

They ask him about the tush push and he's like, well, the pusher of his tush.

It was really, really funny.

That was.

I think it was the night they won the Super.

Bowl.

I had not heard that.

That's.

Funny.

Yeah, yeah, it was.

Good.

So.

Well, let's.

Let's dig into a little bit of your background, man.

What brought you to the.

Navy?

What brought me to the Navy?

I went to a boarding school in Hershey, Pennsylvania, named Milton Hershey School.

And my mom had committed suicide when I was seven.

And I was.

Within about a week.

I was in the foster care system and I was living, you know, I was actually kind of happy.

I was with Charlie and Kitty Evans.

They were great foster parents.

I had a new set of siblings and going to school and, you know, just enjoying my life.

And then before I knew it, my grandmother was picking me up and driving me up to Hershey, Pennsylvania to, To be indoctrinated into Milton Hershey School.

And if anyone doesn't know, Milton Hershey School, it has the largest endowment of any institution.

It owns 51% of.

Of the stock of Hershey Foods Incorporated and tons of other companies.

It's.

It's basically a world conglomerate when it comes to energy and food.

And the campus was 10,000 acres.

And while I was there, I was an athlete.

I ran track and field and cross country and swimming and gymnastics and.

And one of my buddies that I was really close with, guy named Mark Riggleman.

Mark.

I went into a basement at his house and they had a biannual magazine about SEAL training in the SEAL teams.

And as soon as I picked it up on the COVID was like six boat crews running down the beach with telephone poles on their shoulders.

And, you know, being a runner and endurance athlete, I was looking at that like, yeah, I think, I think that's what I need.

I need.

I could tell that they were going to challenge.

Me.

Yeah.

And I knew that I needed that.

I had just dropped out of college recently.

I had a business that I started, a sandwich shop called Hoagie King that I walked away from because I was like, this is boring.

And I don't want to keep getting up at 4:30 in the morning, driving to Pottsville, Pennsylvania to pick up cold cuts.

Cheese and meats and bread and tomato and lettuce and onion and bringing it back here.

Like, I'm still young.

Like I'm 19 years old.

Like, I want to have fun and, you know, I want some kind of adventure.

And I was the type of kid in school where I was paying attention with my right ear, but I was looking out the window all the time and fantasizing about what I wanted for a life.

And when I saw that magazine, it just seemed that everything fell in line and I could sort of make it work with all of the goals that I had in mind.

And I looked at SEAL training even before I got there, as, As a rite of passage, and, and it wasn't easy.

Right.

A lot of guys come through SEAL training and they, they get through the program pretty quickly.

I ended up being diagnosed with probable epilepsy.

That's a mandatory discharge from the military by a doctor named Dr. Catron.

And so I had to go through all the hoops you need to jump through to get back into SEAL training and to prove that his diagnosis was false.

And I did that, and that took a while.

And then I had an unfortunate accident while I fell off the slide for life, which I probably fell, what, 30, 32.

34Ft.

Wow.

Into the ground.

As you know, you're approaching terminal.

Velocity.

Yeah.

And, you know, I ended up with some ankle injuries, and then I got pushed back and I eventually made it through the program.

I had a, A, an instructor that was pissed off at me without warrant and wanted to make sure that I didn't make it through SEAL training.

Senior Chief.

Well, I won't mention his name.

I won't give him any credit, but he was a pain in my ass.

And in the end, I got through, made it to the SEAL teams, got my goal, and, you know, had my rite of passage.

It was good for me.

Emotionally.

Yeah.

I think me, mentally, to just.

I think at some point, a young man needs to know that he is a man, and whatever he wants to make happen in the world, he can do it as long as he's willing to apply diligent effort and be consistent, be focused towards his.

Goal.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, by far, there isn't any other school in the military, and I'm including all the special ops out there, all the training schools.

I would say SEAL training takes the highest amount of resiliency that you have to have coming into it, understanding not just the, the mental aspect of what part of what these trainings are, that aspect is, is within the Ranger community, the SF community, and the SEALs.

You know, they'll play these mind games to see how do you handle failure and how do you.

You come up.

Sometimes, if you're young, they'll even just not select you to see if you're willing to come back and go through it all.

Again.

Yeah.

And I had.

That.

Yeah, it is.

It is a very physical, but it is also extremely mental as well.

And for good reason.

Because.

Because once you're on a team, you know, your missions and everything are not going to be ordinary, normal missions.

You're going to need that ability to be able to.

To say, hey, we're, we're behind, but let's figure out how to win this and, and keep moving.

Forward.

Yeah, I think.

I think they need to know what's interesting and unique about SEAL training is they need to know that when things suck, it's really cold, it's really wet, somebody beside you is.

Is dead that you care about, that you're not going to throw in the.

Towel.

Yep.

You're going to keep moving forward and you're going to figure out a way to complete the operation and get.

Home.

Yep.

To your loved ones, and they need to put you through the wringer.

And the number one tool that they use there is, well, two tools.

Complete physical exhaustion coupled with freezing your tail off and water that's, you know, 53 degrees, 54 degrees, 56 degrees for hours at a time.

Right.

I think it's easy to build endurance into the body, but I think it's difficult to build endurance into the body, into the mind when your body is in pain.

Like, if you've got.

If you can.

If somebody asks you to run 14 miles and you don't have joint pain, it's one thing.

But if you've got to run 14 miles with 50 pounds of rocks on your back and every step you take, there's a sharp pain in your right knee, that takes a different type of endurance.

And for me, that's mental and emotional.

Endurance.

Yeah.

I mean, that was one of the things that I talked to a lot of people that were struggling with running.

You know, you would find real quick that once they got out of breath and it was almost like they panicked because they couldn't.

Breathe.

Right.

And it's not normal.

That's not a normal reaction for your body to have is to be so out of breath and out of winded and your brain's going to tell you you need to stop, you're overexerting yourself.

And to be able to push past that, you need to have a similar type of resiliency in your mind to push through it, knowing you're okay and still able to keep.

Moving.

And David Goggins is like the epitome of that.

Right.

He's like, if I'm on a treadmill and I get to mile 14.

And my body says, okay, I think we're done.

I run an extra.

I run an extra five miles.

Right.

Like, you know, to be able to push yourself outside of the demand of an institution, that's a whole nother skill.

Set.

Right?

Yep.

So how long were you in the.

The.

Navy?

1997.

Okay.

So I came in in 94.

97 was Desert Storm.

Ish.

97, 98.

Somewhere around there.

Bosnia and those lovely Croatian countries over there.

Yeah, it was a time in the army for me.

You know, when I came in, it was a 9 to 5 job.

You know, there was not much going on in 94.

Democrats were in office, so a lot of details and doing stupid stuff that contracts weren't paying for.

You know, I did a lot of people ask what it was like and, and it's changed so much since then that, you know, people just don't understand how the army was ever a 9 to 5 job.

You know, you could set your watch by it.

How when your training cycles were, what time you were getting off work, I mean, all these things.

And it all changed after 9, 11.

What was, what was an average day like in the seals back.

Then?

What's an average day?

Well, there's there, there.

There were two days.

There was the work day and then there was the nightlife.

And when we were deployed would be different because our forward operating base was, was in the South Pacific.

And when we.

I was at Seal Team 5.

So Seal Team 5, every team has like a team like nickname.

So Seal Team 1 is Stalag 1 because they're so.

They're like, we're the first Seal Team.

And you know, we're rigid and strict and if you're going to represent us, you know, we do it by the letter.

There's that, that whole idea you got Team three, which was, you know, was a desert team.

You got to fight Seal Team 5, which is fat weather team, which they called Team Hollywood.

Right.

So the guys at Team 5 typically had, you know, longer hair and they wore, you know, their favorite ball cap to wear.

It was very relaxed environment.

It was the best situation for me.

A SEAL Team 1 would have been too much.

And you know, you're at work at probably 6:45 and then depending on what you're working on that week.

So let's say it's jump week, you know, you're probably getting off.

Well, you got night jumps, right.

So you could be getting home at nine, ten o' clock at night.

And if you're doing, you know, diving, well, you got to dive in the morning, you got to dive at night.

So, so the interesting thing is our job because we use the element of surprise as a key factor when we are approaching an operation.

Most of what we're doing is after, after the sun sets.

And so you have to work in an environment.

Right.

Like it's.

You know, and, and we're using, you know, very specialized apparatuses in order to allow us to stay cloaked in clandestine.

And so late nights, early mornings, depending on what we're doing, but mostly late.

And then of course, you know, the chief is going to say, hey, I've been working the guys a little too hard.

Maybe we'll take off on Friday at 12 o' clock in the afternoon, take a long weekend.

It's Memorial Weekend.

It falls on a Monday.

Have, have, have a good time, relax, try not to get in trouble.

Right.

But when we were at work, we, we were.

Working.

Yep.

And the good thing is, you know, when you go through SEAL training, you're trained to work like that.

So if, if you're not working, you know, you're going to be getting in.

Trouble.

Yeah, yeah.

You, you know, I spent 10 years on the army side with the, the 160th, and it was similar to that as, well, not quite as relaxed.

You know, when we were, when we were home, we did have to shave and so forth.

But the thought process was real similar.

You know, a lot of first name basis, a lot of, you know, rank really didn't matter.

You know, if you were an E8 and you were standing next to a job that needed to be done, you did it.

You know, that whether that's loading, you know, pallets for deployments or whatever, you just took your shirt off and you, you picked up your, your job and you did.

It.

Yeah.

And it was expected from the highest to the lowest was the same way.

You know, rank didn't get you out of work.

You were expected to, to be part of that.

Team.

And it's one of the things I.

Miss.

Yeah, me too.

I do too.

The, those 10 years that I spent was probably the, the best years of my military career.

That's, you know, also where all the deployments came from.

You know, after 9, 11, we stayed busy.

Busy as just about everybody else.

But I would go back in a heartbeat.

It was, it was a unit.

I wish I never left and when I left, I had decided at that point I was retiring, so.

But I miss it.

In the civilian world, you don't see anything like that.

Community.

Yeah.

You know, I just love the teamwork, and I love the pride in a job well.

Done.

Yeah.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah.

So when you.

You got to the.

The end of your career, right, and you decided you were.

You were getting out, what was that transition.

Like?

It's in.

Yeah, it was an interesting transition for me.

I had a guy at Seal Team 2 that wanted to come to Seal Team 5 who was from the West Coast, I was from the east coast, and I wanted to go to seal Team 2 so I could, on the weekends, could go home and spend time with my family and friends.

And Seal Team 2 was gonna pay for all of his effects to be shipped to Seal Team 5.

And then when I went to Seal Team 5, expecting the same kind of generosity, they were like, nope, you're leaving Seal Team 5.

That's what you want to do.

You're gonna pay for all of it to go out there.

And I thought.

And then I said, well, look, they're paying for his stuff.

And they were like, nope, well, we're not paying for yours.

And I thought, you know What?

I've got 90 days leave on the books.

They're investing in him.

They're not investing in me.

I haven't gotten the good schools that I wanted at Seal Team 5.

I got all what I call the crappy schools.

And you know what?

I just don't think they're going to invest in me.

Is this the environment that I want to be in any longer?

And I thought, no, not at all.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

And if you can't show up and show me the same kind of generosity and consideration, then I don't think I. I need to be here any longer.

And that's when I switched.

So within those 90 days, I just already started preparing myself to be out of the military.

And a Christmas vacation came.

I took my leave.

I had 90 days on the books.

I sold, I think, 70 back to the military, picked up a big check, and decided I was going to go back to college and get into track and field and start training my body.

I created a new goal.

I wanted to make it to the Olympic trials.

I knew I had the work ethic.

I just didn't realize I no longer had the body.

I had a body built for grunt work, not a body built for speed and.

And sophistication anymore.

When it comes to being athletic and, you know, I made the mistake of applying the principles of SEAL teams in SEAL training to athletic training and I ended up with a bunch of overuse injuries and a lot of.

Frustration.

Yeah, yeah.

A lot of people don't understand, you know, that training in the military, you're training for a set criteria that benefits the, the machine.

You know, that they're training you to do what they want you to do.

And, and I'm talking physically or I'm not talking about mental, I'm just saying physically, they don't want a seal that is 350 pounds solid muscle because he's going to get exhausted.

Especially in today's world where you're up in the mountains, you know, they want a light, mobile, strong fighter and you don't have to be huge to do that.

A lot of the seals I worked with had that kind of physique.

They were strong as hell, but they weren't 6 foot 4 and, and £320 either.

You know, they, they were lean and strong endurance and mental resiliency.

And when you get out now that mission has changed and the criteria had to change.

So it does make sense of what you're saying as far as with the overuse injuries and, and, and so forth.

How did, how did you work through.

Those?

How did I work through those?

The truth is I didn't.

Right.

I didn't work through that.

I didn't wake up quickly enough.

I continue to keep applying the same strategy and my injuries kept changing and I just eventually had so much pain in my body that I had to reach out and ask someone for help.

And that's when one of my buddies who was in the SEAL teams and in SEAL training around the same time that I was brought a yoga mat and a juicer to my house and introduced me to stretching and, and tissue, soft tissue detoxification, which was a wake up call because in that moment I thought I was a healthy person.

And I realized that, no, I'm fit, but I'm actually toxic and stressed.

And I didn't have the language at the time for stressed.

I just knew that he was fit and he was healthy and I was fit and I was the opposite.

And that was a tough pill to swallow because I thought I was doing all the things that you should be doing.

And the truth is I wasn't doing near enough of what I needed to be doing.

And of course, I never reached or attained my goal.

I got a different goal instead because once I started opening up my body, reducing the stress, reducing the tension, detoxifying.

All the symptoms that I had, they went away.

And at one point, I got my body to where it was really, really healthy.

And I thought, okay, I'm going to push the envelope again physically.

And I woke up one morning and I just heard the voice, and the voice was like, you put all this energy and effort into putting your body back together.

You feel great.

You're a reflection of health in every way you can think of.

Do you really need to get to the Olympic trials to prove that you have value?

And I looked in the mirror and I thought, no.

And I retired that.

Day.

Yeah.

From being an athlete.

I was like, yeah, I'm done.

That.

That doesn't have any value for me.

And then I thought, well, what could I do with my life?

And I said, there must be other people out there who are suffering from the same limiting beliefs that I had.

And I started working with people.

I started helping them use the tools that I used on myself to get myself free from the pain that I was in.

Whether it was emotional pain, whether it was psychological pain, whether it was physiological and structural pain, I helped a lot of people, and that felt better than it did.

Looking for.

Glory.

Yeah.

And I knew I made the right.

Decision.

Yeah.

I think, you know, that's one thing that.

That I hope all my listeners take from.

From all my episodes is, is if you're looking for peace, then you've got to find it when you get put on the path that you were meant to be on, you know, stop focusing on what you think you want and.

And start looking at what you were meant to.

To do.

And when you find it, you'll know it.

You know, you're not going to be able to just say, oh, I was meant to do this, and then go start doing it.

But eventually, you're going to find that path.

And for me, I thought I wanted to be an entrepreneur.

And when I got out of the military, I started a trucking company.

And, you know, I didn't realize what PTSD was at that point.

And I didn't understand how healthy I was putting myself into being in a truck for six weeks at a time by myself, driving for 11 hours a day, sitting in my head, thinking all the time, and I just hated it.

But I thought that's what I was supposed to be, was an entrepreneur.

And, you know, I didn't even care what the business was.

I just wanted to say I owned a business, and.

And I thought that's what was going to make me happy and make Life all better since then.

I have, you know, retired.

I do this full time.

I run my nonprofit full time, and I make a lot less money.

But I am, I. I'm tremendously happy.

I wake up every day looking forward to what I'm gonna do that day.

And I could never say that before.

You know, there was a lot of things I missed from my transition.

You know, I missed being responsible for soldiers and, And.

And taking care of them and mentoring them and, and helping them through the mistakes that I made, you know, that.

That every young soldier is going to make.

And those were all gone.

And I noticed, I learned real quick that the civilian world didn't have any of that.

You know, that every, Every CEO I can think of has a guy, a book wrote by a Navy SEAL on leadership, you know, but they read it like a Bible.

They pick and choose out of it what they think they need just to make more money, make the company more profitable, and they forget about all that.

You know, what they're really talking about is putting your people in front of you, putting your thoughts into them and mentoring them and helping them.

I don't mean, you know, not punishing, not handing out disciplines when it's needed, but stop focusing on the end of the mission, but how you're going to get there.

And that comes from taking care of people.

And I'd never seen that in the civilian world very.

Much.

Yeah, the investing into.

Others.

Yep.

Right.

Is.

Is important for me.

It's essential part of being.

Happy.

Yeah.

And I mentor people.

I have a group that I've been mentoring for the last seven, eight years, and I love it.

You know, it brings me a lot of joy to share what I have to help make their lives better.

You know, what could be more important?

Like, you know, that whole idea, reach one and teach one.

And I think going to Milton Hershey School, that really set that up for me because you're in a student home, you got 15 other boys and two house parents and you know their children, and you got chores.

And the faster you get done your chores together collectively, the sooner you can go out and play hide and go seek, basketball, T ball, football.

And so I looked at Milton Hershey School was offered an opportunity.

They were mentoring me, even though at that age I didn't want to be mentored.

Right.

I wanted to sort of be left alone to.

To figure things out on my own.

Yet I relate to what you're talking.

About.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, people, I think it's.

It's part of the healing process to be Honest.

Because so many people that.

That fight through these.

These problems find themselves serving others when they come out on the other side.

And.

And I think that's part of, you know, it's very therapeutic to.

To help others.

I want to dig into a little bit about your process, because there was a part that you said earlier that I'm not familiar with, something about tissue.

What exactly does that consist.

Of?

Yeah, so when you look at soft tissue, we're talking about muscles.

Everybody knows that word.

But then there's another soft tissue, which is what wraps around muscle called fascia.

And fascia is quite like.

It's analogous to a wetsuit.

It's like wetsuit material.

Right.

Have you ever been in a.

Wetsuit?

I.

Have.

You have.

Right.

So you know how it's snug.

Okay.

Well, that fascia is applying that snugness to all of your muscles.

It's called connective tissue.

And so when your connective tissue gets really thick, dense, and short, what happens is you lose a lot of range of motion.

Now you're able to conserve energy, you're able to conserve heat.

Okay.

What the problem is is that it makes it easier for your knee to feel compressed, your shoulder to feel compressed, your neck to feel restricted, your back to feel tight.

And so all that stress that I was experiencing in SEAL training, physically and physiologically from all the cold water was making all of my fascia really dense and thick for very good purpose.

It was doing everything that it could to conserve heat so that I could maintain 98.6 degrees AS, AS.

As a coherent body temperature to keep physiologically healthy.

And so that body that I had built in the military put a lot of damage into all of the soft tissues.

Ligaments, tendon, bone.

You could consider bone hard tissue, but I consider it soft tissue, fascia and muscle.

And so what you put in takes an equal amount of time to take.

Out.

Yeah.

So I put it in for seven plus years, and I needed seven plus years to take it out of my body and get the fascia so that it was thin and it was long, and it was no longer constricting my muscles.

And then my body felt free, and then my mind felt free.

And as my body got more open, my emotions opened more.

As my emotions open more, my spirit opened more, my spirit opened more, my mind opened more.

And I just did everything I could every single day to open everything up of just a little bit more.

And day after day after day after day.

You do that for seven years, every day, for hours at a time.

And Then eventually you have a body that feels good.

And I always have noticed in myself, when I feel good, I do good.

When I feel bad, I do bad.

And I think, you know, it's.

It's.

It's a generalization.

I think philosophically that rings true for most.

People.

Yeah.

And when I open my body and I open my mind and I open my spirit, I got to walk away from managing my stress with alcohol.

I got to walk away from managing my stress with sugar.

I got to walk away from managing my stress with excessive exercise.

And then suddenly I no longer needed to manage my stress because I had resolved it.

Successfully.

So what is.

What does the day look like that, you know, you said that you're spending hours throughout the day, but what does that look like?

As far as if somebody was trying to.

To do the same things, what is the process that they need to.

Do?

Well, it's easy for them now because, you know, before I was born, the.

The tools that I'm using in a way that I'm using them, they didn't exist.

Right.

So it took me, you know, after investigating for what, decade and a half, flying all around the world, meeting with people, teaching me this and teaching me that, and then me applying it.

It took years for me to figure out how to turn it into a science.

And what I mean by a science is I could produce predictable outcomes regardless of the circumstances, and the outcomes were repeatable and they were verifiable.

So that fits the standard law of science.

Right?

Yep.

Is the thing that you're doing produce producing predictable results?

Is it verifiable and is it repeatable by anyone?

And so I turned it into a science.

So someone.

No one ever needs to go through everything that I went through in order to get to where I got seven years down the road.

They could get there in a relatively short amount of time.

And so I understand the implicate order of true.

Transformation.

Okay, so let's.

Let's dive into your process then, you know, you take on a new.

New client.

What are, what are the first steps that they're gonna.

Do?

Yeah, the very first step is they need to read the book Free for.

Life.

Okay.

And the reason for that is really, I don't care if they read it, but what they need to have is they need to have some investment.

Right.

If you're not.

Vested.

Yep.

At least with your time or your energy or some of your money.

Typically humans, from my experience of humans, ah, they don't move any further down the road.

And I really don't want to spend my time on the phone wasting my.

Time.

Y.

So you have to spend $24 or $25 to get a book.

You got to spend three or four hours of time to read it.

And if you're willing to do those two things, I'm willing to get on the phone with you and have a conversation that could potentially lead to us working together.

But the very least, me hearing what's going on for you and me being able to guide you towards somebody who might be able to offer you some help.

Right.

But the first step of what we're doing is you have to be vested.

You got to jump through two hoops.

If you're not willing to jump through those two hoops, I'm not willing to spend any time on you because I know the time is going to be wasted.

And, you know, as you're getting older, time is the second most valuable commodity that any human has.

Yeah, right.

The first, obviously, is unconditional love.

Right.

So.

Or we could say that differently.

Their.

Their relationship through God.

Right.

Yep.

And the betterment of themselves.

Those are the two most important commodities.

Commodities.

After we have a conversation, they say, hey, look, I would like to come see you.

I go, okay, look, I would love to help you, but I think you need time to process you, like you said.

Yes, just a little too quickly for me.

Foreign.

Let's talk in a week.

I'll send you a welcome packet.

You read through it.

Let's have a conversation again and see if this is something that.

That you really want to do.

Because I need to know that they're going to read through the welcome.

Packet.

Yeah.

Because if they do, they're going to have questions.

Right.

And if they have questions, then I know.

Oh, they're.

They're a little more vested.

And for me, it's.

You have to be vested intensely, because the work that we're going to do is going to be very, very intense.

And it's also a filter for me.

It allows me to figure out if this person is serious or not.

And then, you know, we take the step.

They fly out to California, or they fly to.

To meet me in Thailand, or they fly to meet me in Hawaii, or they fly to meet me in Boston, depending on where I'm at.

And we get into it for five days straight.

Monday through Friday, I'm seeing them twice a day, and we're stripping away some layer of them.

That's not them.

Right.

So some people come in because they got a difficult relationship with their.

Mom.

Yeah.

Some people come in because they, they, they want to be a better coach.

Right.

Some people come in because they want to win a world championship.

Some people come in because they want to be an Olympic champion.

Some people come in because they, they want to make more money.

You know, everyone's motivation is different, but the strategy is always the same.

Let's just strip away what's not you.

And the question is, what's, what truly is the opposite of who they are.

And what it is is the generational tension coming from at least seven generations deep.

Right.

The limiting beliefs, the inner deficiencies and the insecurities that they pick and the fears they picked up from their parents.

You know, those are the things that are limiting us in terms of being successful at whatever they want to be successful at, whether it's to be the best guitarist in the world, the best pianist, whatever is in their way has come from their.

Childhood.

Yeah.

And if people start to understand that, they start to go, oh, okay, I get it.

So you're saying that when I was in a precognitive state of function, I made up things about reality that were false, that are in my way as a 47 year old adult that are causing my marriage to fall into the tank and be ripped apart by the insecurities, the fears, the limiting beliefs and inner deficiencies that my parents never overcame.

And I'm going, yeah, that's exactly what's going on.

And so when you look at humans, you have to understand that between womb and 13 years old, they're either in a subconscious precognitive state of function between womb and seven or unconscious precognitive state of function between seven and 13 years old.

Humans don't become cognitive until they're 13.

And the charge in the water molecules changes from negative to positive.

So they shift from being a receptive agent to being an initiating agent.

And they need the confidence to go out into the world and make mistakes so that they can learn.

Right.

Like without mistakes, like if you're avoiding mistakes, there's no way you're ever going to be really.

Successful.

Yeah.

So.

So when they come in and they sit down in the chair and they're sitting in front of me, we do like a two hour investigation and figure out what?

Well, why are you really here?

I know you said that you came here because you want to have a better relationship with your wife.

Maybe that's the bait, the hook that God gave you in order to get you in the chair.

But I want to know why you're really here.

And then once we start investigating Them, we figure out why they're really there, and we set a clear intention.

And then once they set that intention, I do all the body work, all the energy work, all the.

All the emotional work necessary in order to separate them from the inner deficiencies, the insecurities, the limiting beliefs, and the fears they picked up from their parents.

So they can now take an emotional risk that will produce a very profound result in terms of moving their life forward in the direction that they wanted to move.

Forward.

Yeah, you know it.

For me, I have learned that trauma isn't just what you encounter.

Right.

Trauma is passed down through your.

Ancestry.

Amen.

Traumas that happen to your parents and your grandparents that were left unresolved are going to pass down into the younger generations.

And at some point, something traumatic in your life, you may never know it up to that point, but something traumatic in your life happens.

And all of a sudden all these little other things that you didn't know about pop up with them and.

And it becomes a block party of trauma that you have to deal with.

You weren't invited, you didn't want to be there, but.

But here we are.

And so it does make sense that a lot of people would think, hey, I'm just going here to get help because I want to run faster or I want to be a champion and leave saying, man, my problems had nothing to do with my goals.

It was all these other problems that was stopping me from achieving these.

Goals.

Yeah.

And so that makes perfect sense to me.

You know, is this process considered like a.

Because I've really gotten into a lot of, like, breathing techniques and, and.

And a little bit of.

I'm starting to look at a.

Meditation and stuff to help deal with stress and ways that we can implement things for our, Our soldiers as they're training up for.

For combat that they can use to help kind of prevent some of these.

These traumas.

Is this similar to what we're talking about when they come to meet you and they.

Start.

Look, how would I say it?

Like, most of that stuff is like, if you, if you compared it.

To.

Trans transportation.

Right.

Most of the systems that are out there, because they're not doing them all together, they're doing it separate.

Either person is focused purely on breath work, or their focus purely on meditation or the focus purely on fitness.

The thing is, is that all of these systems that they need to synthesize together to produce a more whole, complete result.

And so what we do, because it's.

There's 10 stages and 10 steps, and each step feeds into the other step, you need to do all of it.

Like breath work is great, but breath work alone is not nearly as effective as breath work and meditation.

Like breath work and meditation together is great, but once you start adding bodywork and mastery around movement to it now, the changes become exponential.

Right.

And for me, I want to make sure that we produce the greatest impact possible.

So we're using all of these things together but in the correct order.

The first thing you have to do is you have to turn on both hemispheres of the brain electrically.

There must be a piezoelectrical response to a ganglion of nerves that sits right behind this, this part of your head here, to turn on the brain, both hemispheres, left and right, so that both sides of the body can relax and come into coherence.

That's first.

Step.

Yeah.

Then we've got to turn on all the emotional intelligence which is held in so as major and so as minor and the iliacus.

Okay.

We gotta, we gotta turn that part of the body on.

And then we have to strip out all the excessive stress sitting in the master channel which runs up and down the entire back of your body so that all of.

So we can tonify and strengthen all of your systems.

We can strengthen your diaphragm, your vision and your breath and, and your analysis.

We have to do all that.

So that's, you know, we're just four sessions in.

And then I have to be able to teach you how to do all of that to yourself.

So now you're on a program and you're tethered and someone's helping you hold yourself accountable for at least 90 days while you build a new lifestyle and a new relationship with food, a new relationship with sleep, a new relationship with movement, a new relationship with energy, a new relationship with your spirit and a new relationship with God.

And so that's, that's, you know, that's a tongue fool.

But it's, you know, it's deep and.

Intensive.

Yeah, because I think that makes sense.

And I never really thought about it until just listening to what you were saying.

You know, there's, there's a lot of, what you're doing is focusing on strengthening each of the pillars of life that you.

Need.

Yes.

And that's the perfect.

Language.

And a lot of people, you know, when they, they look at that, they say, okay, my weak pillar is faith.

So they go out there and they just focus on building their faith.

But at the same time, if you strengthen your left knee, your right knee is going to, to give out, you know, you've got to strengthen all of the pillars, not just, not just focus on the ones that you want to focus on or the ones that you think that you're, you're needing the most help.

On.

Exactly.

So, yeah, that makes sense.

You know, and then the next step is just learning what processes work to do those.

And that's where getting with somebody like yourself that, that you can walk them through the stages and teach them these steps to come out with a strong foundation to be able to handle anything in the future that's going to come at them and apply it to more goals.

You know, you won your, your national championship, but now maybe you want to be a top rated TEDx speaker or something like that and you can apply those same goals to your new goals or your same tactics as your, your new goals that you want to go for.

So, yeah, it makes perfect sense.

It definitely doesn't sound easy, but, but it, it does make.

Sense.

No, no, it's, it's, it's an intensive and you know, there's, there's, for a lot of people, doesn't matter whether they're a 340 pound offensive lineman for the Detroit Lions or they're, you know, a five foot two single mother with three kids.

Right.

The tears are going to come, right?

There's going to be pain moving out of your body.

And I like the word that you used is that you will become more resilient.

And once you're resilient, it doesn't matter what environment you step into, you're resilient.

But as long as you have a massive amount of tension, a massive amount of unresolved stress, a massive amount of emotional, structural or psychological distortion, it's going to be very difficult for you to be resilient at any one.

Thing.

Yeah.

And that's why when people trend trans, when they transition from goal to goal with the people that I work with, they're guaranteed to have.

Success.

Yeah, I, you know, I think a lot of what you're saying here is a direct result of why over the 20 year war that we just had so many soldiers get to that breaking point.

There's no, there's no caught catch at these levels where, where somebody could catch you and say, hey, I see this happening.

Let's, let's work on this.

Let's, let's fix this now before it becomes too big of a problem.

And, and I think the reason for that is because we talk about resiliency in the military, but we don't practice it.

No, we don't train it.

We don't teach it.

We don't talk about any of these steps that, and implement them in our training.

We, we, we believe that if there isn't any pain from what you're doing, you're not getting anything out of it.

So if you're, if you can run 20 miles, but it doesn't hurt, well, then put a ruck on your back and run 20 miles, you know, and those aren't necessarily going to make you handle the, the psychological resiliency that you're going to need after years of.

Trauma.

Yeah, so, yeah, you're absolutely correct.

It's, it's interesting because the military and sports is the one place where you see a lack of resilience, and you're basically just using up your body till it can no longer perform, and then you retire.

Whether you retire from basketball or you retire from the army, it's the same exact strategy, like ownership.

So if you're a Laker and you retire at 40, if you could play at the same level that you could when you were 30, you wouldn't retire at 40, you'd keep.

Playing.

Yeah.

If you're in the military and you felt as good at 45 as you did.

If you felt as good as you did at 25 when you were 45, well, guess what?

You do.

You'd continue to keep serving in the military.

But the truth is, people don't.

Yeah, they feel bad, and then they got to get away from the thing that's making them feel bad.

And I think with your insight, what they should be focusing on is what do I need to do in order to become physiologically, structurally, psychologically, emotionally, and energetically resilient so that when I wake up in the morning, I pop out of bed inspired and present.

I never feel tired, I never feel exhausted.

And I am absolutely capable to show up and serve to whatever service it is, whether it's, you're going on a mission and you're part of the LDS community or, and you're in, you know, you're in East.

East Africa, or you're, you're an NFL football player and you're, you know, you're a defensive tackle for the Cincinnati Bengals or you're a GM for the Lakers.

Like, whatever your interests are, you should be able to be resilient.

And every single year, your body, your mind, and your emotions should be improving.

And that's never happening.

And I think that's part of the reason why God put me on Earth is to be able to build out These systems so that anyone who wanted to continue to expand and experience their potential connection for love and service could continue to feel better and better every single day.

I serve more, I feel.

Better.

Yeah.

But we get used up and thrown into the.

Corner.

Yeah.

I'm definitely going to put you in contact with the Bengals offensive and defensive line because they're not mentally or physically resilient.

So they need a lot of.

Help.

Oh, it would be easy.

Literally.

You know, I have been instrumental in helping Penn State.

Like, when I got to Penn State wrestling, they.

They were winning championships.

Right.

Like, the coaching staff, all that, they have all the systems in place.

But then when I got there and started implementing these other things that they didn't understand, I don't even think they even knew the impact of what I was doing.

They were winning NCAA championships by 100.

Points.

Wow.

Right.

Like, it's one thing to win by four or 11 or.

Or even 25, but you could split Penn State's wrestling team into two and they would still win the NCAA.

Championship.

Wow.

Right.

So I made them ridiculously resilient.

Resilient to the.

To the pace that no one that I worked on consistently every year ever was injured and unable to complete their season.

Every single person that I worked on and I helped completed every single season.

And there's only one person on the team that got injured for the rest of the season.

He was the one person that I didn't.

Help.

Wow.

Because, you know, because of that word, the work that we do, true body intelligence helps you become resilient.

And no matter what the level of.

Of stress is, however deep or broad the stress load is, you will wake up the next day refreshed and present and ready to go.

Again.

Wow.

Yeah, man.

This.

This conversation has been deep.

Chris.

I'm.

I'm gonna tell you, there's a lot of people that, that these, these processes could.

Could help because I. I am a believer in this.

And, and we're going to talk after the.

The show.

But, man, there's a lot of good information that you're laying down here that I think people need to become more aware of just by simply learning some of the stuff yourself and seeing what these individual things do and the sciences behind them, just behind breathing techniques.

Right.

You look at.

Because there's people out there that.

That's all they preach.

They just preach breathing techniques.

Right.

But that doesn't mean everybody else that teaches the other stuff that you're.

That you're talking about is wrong.

Right.

So if you start looking at each element and the success that stories that those little elements have.

Imagine what happens when you put those elements.

Together.

That's.

It.

And.

And now you.

You have compounded your.

Your interest and everything else to add to the savings of your body.

And so I think.

I think it makes perfect sense.

Man.

Yeah, I. I just look at God and I think, look, God gave us these really beautiful, wonderful bodies, man.

The.

How.

How do I honor God with what he gave me?

I take care of this thing, you know, like, it's.

Like it's a newborn baby.

If I can do that, spirit is going to see that I care, and it's going to give me greater opportunities to care for it with even greater, deeper, more profound.

Ways.

Yeah, absolutely, man.

Well, I'm gonna bring you forward, brother, and let you tell everybody, you know, how they can find you, how they can.

Can learn more, where they can get your book and.

And learn a little bit about your process and make sure that this is what they want to.

Do.

Yeah, I mean, they can.

Everyone who's listening, you can go to true bodyintelligence.com and there's going to be a little bit information about stress and all that stuff that you've heard before.

And my book is going to be there.

Free for life.

A US Navy SEALs path to inner Freedom, Outer Peace.

And if you're willing to spend the time reading that, I'm willing to spend the time, you know, coaching you for free and giving you some.

Some insight and some direction that I think could be really profound and helpful for you.

If you go to Instagram, you could punch in true body intelligence.

If you go to YouTube, you can punch in true body intelligence.

All you have to do is punch in those three words and you'll be able to find me in some way.

And know there's a free podcast series that I did 20 episodes where you can listen and start to understand what it takes to create a true transformational experience.

And you don't have to go through that with me.

I. I give you the keys where you can seek all that information out on your own.

And so I'm here, and I'm ready to serve.

Powerfully.

All right, well, I hope all of you guys that are listening to this show, as, as always, I hope you get something out of it.

There was a lot of information, a lot of great stuff here that, you know, these breadcrumbs that were laying down could lead you to a great path.

So, you know, start picking them up and following them and, you know, do some research and improve your Foxhole every single day.

I.

Mean.

Yes.

Improve your foxhole every single.

Day.

That's the key to.

To life, man.

So I hope all of you all enjoyed it.

I want all of you to remember, be safe.

I know after you watch this show, it'll be way after it, but we're getting close to Veterans Day, so for me, every day is Veterans Day.

I like to brag about the veterans because of, you know, we're 1 percenters, and who knows?

You know, I'm going to even say we're even better than the other 99.

So I want all of y' all to take care, be safe, and don't forget, don't let the day kick your ass.

Kick the day's.

Ass.