Black Dog (it is ACTION-packed!)

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Hello.

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Hello, I'm Katie and welcome to

Retro Made Your Pop Culture Rewind.

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Today we're gonna go back to May

of: 1998

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recent movie we'll ever cover,

or at least up until now for the

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Trucker Road Action movie, black Dog.

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And as always, we'll touch on

all of the other happenings of

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the time in the time capsule.

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Today I'm very happy to be joined by

Scott Murphy of all nineties action all

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the time and new Horror Express podcasts.

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Scott, thank you so much for joining me.

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Please tell us about you and your shows.

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Scott: Well, thank you

very much for having me on.

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It's always a pleasure to be

invited onto another podcast.

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So all nineties action all the time is a

monthly podcast where me and my co-host

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Craig look at just nineties action films.

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And we, the format was originally we

would look at individual action stars,

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do seasons on individual action stars.

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That's how we started it.

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We did Segal Stallone,

Kurt Russell Val Kilmer.

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But then we went on to doing

films that correspond to,

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to the year in the nineties.

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So last year we did films in 93.

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This year we're doing films

in 94 and so on and so forth.

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it's really a very simple concept.

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It is literally, we just look

at nineties action films.

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Katie: It's great.

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I, I love it.

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I like both concepts.

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I like the themes of the guys,

like each guy and now the years,

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Scott: And New Horror Express

is actually kinda winding down.

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I've only got two episodes I've got

recorded that I need to release at

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some stage, but then I'm, I'm kind of

ending it there because it was kinda

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too much having the two podcasts.

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But that is was an interview show.

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Where I talked to horror

writers, directors, actors, all,

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all sorts, just any, anybody

working in indie horror today?

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I, I was interviewing them and

we, we did some other side shows.

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We had a side series that looked at

guilty pleasure horrors, and we had

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a couple of times where I was looking

at films from horror film festivals

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and did a couple of specials that way.

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But, uh, as much as it is ending,

there is an archive with, there's

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about 183 episodes available.

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So you can still listen to, to

all those that it's over like

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a kind of five year period

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or?

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Yeah.

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Katie: So people who like

to binge, there you go.

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we will open the time capsule from May

of: 1998

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the time that the movie we're covering,

what was going on at that time.

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Now, for me, I'm in high

school at this time.

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Are you in junior high school or

did they, what do they call it?

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In the uk?

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Scott: They just call it high school.

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We go to primary school from the ages

of like five to, I don't know, like

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11, and then we go, and then we go to

high school from the age of 12 to 18.

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Is that right?

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Yeah, that

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sounds a about right.

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Katie: in like, so like seventh

grade, that's considered high school.

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Scott: No.

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Katie: If you're 12.

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Scott: it?

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No, it's no 12.

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No.

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It must be no, I, no, that's wrong.

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That's wrong.

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It must be 30.

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No, no, it's

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13.

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It's 13.

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It would be the equivalent to eighth

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grade.

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Yes.

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So we, so we do primary school,

which is primary one, one

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to seven, and then we do high school.

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And first year of high school would be the

equivalent of your eighth grade school?

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Yes.

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'cause this 1998 would've been the year

I went into high school when I turned 13.

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Yep, that's

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Katie: Oh, well, so, so technically

speaking, we were both in high

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school, but in America you would've

been in junior high or middle school

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Scott: Oh, okay.

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Okay.

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Cool, cool,

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Katie: similar.

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So I have like far better memories of

this time than the movies that were in the

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eighties or even earlier in the nineties.

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So hopefully this will be fun.

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Popular tv according to the Nielsen

ratings of the 97 98 season.

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This is the finale of

Seinfeld, the finale season.

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Scott: Oh,

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Katie: Er,

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er, as well.

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I remember that show being big.

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And then Veronica's Closet was in the

top 10 shows that show with Kirsti.

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Did you ever see that?

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Scott: Not really.

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I am aware of it.

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No, I did.

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I think it was, you know, I think it was

on somewhere, but it's not one I really

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watched.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Katie: came up in a, in a prior episode

because the guy, her love interest

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in that must have been in the movie.

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I remember enjoying it.

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She runs like a lingerie company and

she's the boss and her name is Veronica.

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Any guess what other big

show was real big at this time,

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Scott: Real big at this time?

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Katie: a sitcom.

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Scott: friends.

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Katie: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Friends.

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This was like prime Friends Time

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Scott: Yeah, I guess it was.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For sure.

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For sure.

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Katie: touched by an angel,

which I never watched.

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Did you watch that show?

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Scott: No, I'm not even sure

if that made it to the uk.

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Like I, I recognize

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the title, but I don't know.

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No, I never watched it.

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No.

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Katie: is British, actually.

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Her name is escaping right

now, but Long dark Hair.

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Pretty woman.

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Anyway, you guys know

who I'm talking about?

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Union Square?

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Never heard of that show.

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Must have been a one season.

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Anybody who's seen Union

Square, please let us know.

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I am unfamiliar with this show.

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Never even heard of it.

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Also though, home Improvement was a big

show with Tim, the Tool Man, Taylor.

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Scott: Tim Allen.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, I, I remember that show.

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That definitely that

was, that was definitely

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on in the uk.

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We I definitely watched that.

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Katie: The XFiles, which I thought that

was more early nineties, but I guess

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Scott: It ran for years

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though.

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Like, I think ' cause I think it

started in 93 or 94, but it ran

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like the, the initial run ran

through to it was like 10 seasons.

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So it ran through to 2003

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or

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Katie: well then that makes sense.

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I remember catching it from

time to time, but I wasn't like

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a hardcore fan of the X-Files.

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Scott: I think this would've

been kind of the peak of the

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X-Files.

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'cause the X-Files movie

would've come out in 98 as well.

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I remember the X-Files movie.

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I was, I was into the X-Files.

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I liked all kinda the sci-fi shows.

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Katie: I didn't even

know there was a movie.

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Was it with the same actors like the

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Scott: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I can't remember 'cause there's uh, it

kind of bridges like a couple of seasons.

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Like the movie is kind of a weird movie

because it doesn't make a whole lot of

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sense if you're not seeing, it's like it

kind of connects to the season, the season

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finale of, I think season four and the,

the first episode of, I think season five.

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I think that's where it

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bridges.

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Katie: Okay.

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And I would have guessed, I'm not

shocked that you were a sci-fi person

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or that you're a sci-fi person.

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I somehow that train missed me

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But I did watch, just Shoot Me with David

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Scott: Oh, the David Spade.

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show.

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Oh, okay.

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Katie: I loved that show.

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The people in it were really funny.

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Scott: Yeah, I only caught

a couple episodes of that.

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Some of the other sitcoms we've

mentioned, like home improvements and

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friends and Seinfeld I watched and was

a big fan of, but just Shoot Me was

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one of those ones that kind of, I saw a

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few episodes of it, but I

never really got into it.

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Katie: I can see that.

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, so those were the top shows.

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There were some other shows that were

notable in that this was their final year.

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Obviously we talked about

Seinfeld, but that was an event,

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apparently like a two part.

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That was on NBC.

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And people, I feel like still talk

about how terrible that finale was.

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Do you have thoughts

or feelings either way?

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Scott: I quite enjoy the, I don't

like, basically people got upset

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that they, they all end up in

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jail.

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I enjoy, I enjoyed the,

the final episodes.

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I, I think they're still funny.

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I, I think they st I

think they still work.

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It's not the, it's not prime Seinfeld.

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It's not the best, but

I, I, I still enjoy it.

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I have to say I wouldn't have been aware

of this at the time necessarily because.

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I became a bigger fan of Seinfeld in

the two thousands when I like bought

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them on like DVD because Seinfeld

was scheduled real weird in the uk.

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It was on BBC two, which was one of the

four main channels in the UK at the time.

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And it was on at 11 o'clock at night.

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And then you, you know, you would get like

a few episodes and it would disappear for

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a while, and then you got a few episodes.

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So I, I kind of only saw very sporadic

until I like bought all the box sets.

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Katie: That makes sense.

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I feel like it gained with me

as well a little bit later,

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Scott: Mm-Hmm

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Katie: kind of liked the finale bringing

back in that it brought back all the

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characters from throughout the seasons to

show what terrible people they all are.

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Anyway, that was a, that was an event.

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Other notable finales Geraldo, the talk

show host, he had a show and it ended

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Scott: Mm-Hmm.

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Katie: Grace Under Fire.

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Singled out the MTV show ended 98

step by step with Patrick Dovey Duffy

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and Suzanne Summers ended this year

living single Sybil Murphy Brown.

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USA up all night.

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You probably didn't ever see this.

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I'm assuming it was on the USA network.

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Scott: No, but because like a, like

a horror fan and, and like I've, you

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know, through kinda social media and

stuff like that and like through kind of

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people having kind of horror memories.

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I've become aware of it in the last

kind of few years and I've seen

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clips of it now, so I know what it

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is.

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uk.

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Katie: my gosh, I kind

of forgotten about it.

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It's a weird, it was like a show

that basically just presented a

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movie or and during commercial

breaks, they would have little.

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Segments on whatever, like Gilbert

Godfrey was one of the big hosts of it.

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And it, yeah, it would be like a

cheesy horror movie or like a bad,

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cheesy eighties movie or something.

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And it was on late at

night on the USA network.

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I'd love to hear you all's

memory of USA up all night.

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I feel like there was

like an Elvira person too.

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Woman.

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Scott: Yes.

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I believe so.

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I want to say I think it's,

I think she was called Rhonda

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something.

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Was it?

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Katie: Yeah.

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Scott: Um.

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Katie: Probably, My memory's bad, but I

can picture our living room growing up,

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watching t, watching USA up all night.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Also, I am a big fan of Te Leone and

she had a show called The Naked Truth.

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It was like a newspaper.

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I feel like she was a journalist.

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Scott: Oh,

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okay.

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Katie: it ended in 1998, as did

Family Matters, which was a huge show.

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TGIF and Ellen.

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Ellen, not the talk show,

but her sitcom ended in 98.

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And then some shows that

started this year, Friday Night

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Fights began in 98, apparently.

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Scott: Never heard of it, but Okay.

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Katie: Oh really?

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I sort of thought yeah, I don't,

I never really watched it,

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but I'm assuming it's boxing.

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Like it was a show and they

aired fights Friday night.

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I feel like I've heard of it a lot, but in

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Scott: Okay.

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Katie: not super into boxing.

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Aside from the Rocky movies.

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Scott: Yeah, it's probably if it

was, it is probably something that

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just wasn't aired in the uk it seems.

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Seems like the sort of

thing that I probably

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would've watched if it had

been aired in the uk, but like

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Katie: yeah.

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I'm thinking like, I don't

know, HBO, maybe somebody is

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Scott: Right.

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Katie: listening like,

oh my God, you idiot.

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Also, ERA 98.

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This was the first season for the

Hugeley charmed, the King of Queens

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sex and the city, Dawson's Creek.

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I just recently posted about

Dawson's Creek starting.

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I hated that show.

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It was such a big thing and I was

very annoyed by everyone in it.

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I didn't like it.

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The show, Jesse, with Christina

Applegate, I think it only lasted

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a few seasons, but I loved it.

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I'm a big fan of her.

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Anybody else watch Jesse Also, Felicity.

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I didn't watch it, but it's that girl

with the long, curly hair, and I think

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she's in I wanna say the new show she's in

that's really good is called The Diplomat.

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Scott: Oh, all

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right.

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Okay.

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Katie: like on Netflix or one

of the streamers, the diplomat,

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Scott: Oh, I know who you're talking

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about.

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that actress who's also in the Americans.

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Katie: yeah.

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yeah.

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Scott: Um, oh.

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Katie: Felicity.

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Yeah.

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Scott: Oh, God.

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Katie: What's her real name?

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At

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Scott: I can't.

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Katie: Also total request live.

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TRL on MTV.

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Did you guys watch that?

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Do you remember that

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Scott: when I was a kid.

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We didn't have Sky, we didn't

have like cable or anything.

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We just had the four channels.

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So we didn't get anything like that.

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So if we had Sky, we, we might

have been able to watch it.

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MTV was available in the UK if you had

Sky, but like we didn't have any of

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that.

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So, No, I didn't see any of those shows.

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Katie: Well, I remember t total

request live, TRL being a huge deal

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probably in the early two thousands.

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A lot like Carson Daley was the host.

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You know, and like I'm of the age where

I really care about who all the young

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cool, like Britney Spears and Justin

Timberlake and boy bands and stuff.

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Another show that premiered that's

kind of been in the news a lot lately

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for a notorious actor in it, that

seventies show it started in 98.

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I don't know if I realized that.

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Scott: I, I didn't think

it would be as far back

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as that necessarily.

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I, I thought it would've been like

the early two thousands, like: 2000

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2001, something like that, but no.

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Katie: Yeah.

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I don't know what I thought, but 98, yeah.

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Two guys and a girl.

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I remember this.

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It's like a pizza place they

all worked at or something.

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It didn't last all that long.

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Scott: It's that the Ryan Reynolds one.

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Katie: Ooh.

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Yeah.

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Ryan Reynolds.

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Mm-Hmm.

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Good Call And Will and Grace.

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I do remember 98 being about its

first year, and I adore that show.

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Did you ever watch Will and Grace NBC

347

: 00:16:59

Scott: What was in the UK was

channel, channel four which showed

348

: 00:17:03

a lot of the American sitcoms and

will and Grace was one of them.

349

: 00:17:07

They, they tended to show

them one of Friday night,

350

: 00:17:10

um, like friends and, you know,

351

: 00:17:12

Katie: Yeah.

352

: 00:17:13

Well, I'm actually, I'm, I'm curious

now because Yes, so friends, er.

353

: 00:17:20

Will and Grace.

354

: 00:17:21

Those were all on NBC and they might have

even been on the same night I wanna say

355

: 00:17:25

Thursday night was like, must see TV here.

356

: 00:17:29

Scott: mm-Hmm.

357

: 00:17:30

Katie: when you saw those shows, I don't

know why my dumb brain was like, well,

358

: 00:17:35

you just got NBC but you didn't What

359

: 00:17:39

Scott: we did not, uh, no.

360

: 00:17:41

Channel four bought all those.

361

: 00:17:43

Oh, the three shows you mentioned

were all on Channel four.

362

: 00:17:46

Yeah, no they were just bought by, um.

363

: 00:17:50

The, the

364

: 00:17:50

different TV stations, That we have.

365

: 00:17:52

Katie: Duh Katie.

366

: 00:17:53

the only other one

whose line is it anyway?

367

: 00:17:57

Premiered in 1998 I feel like.

368

: 00:17:59

Scott: So this is.

369

: 00:18:00

Katie: is.

370

: 00:18:00

that still on?

371

: 00:18:02

It ran for

372

: 00:18:02

Scott: I don't know.

373

: 00:18:03

Katie: though.

374

: 00:18:04

Scott: It did, it did run

for a really long time.

375

: 00:18:06

Yet curiously, that's one of those

shows that has like both an American

376

: 00:18:11

version and a British version

377

: 00:18:13

and And they used to, yeah, they

used to kind of show both actually.

378

: 00:18:18

But yeah,

379

: 00:18:19

Katie: Who is in the, would I

be familiar with the people that

380

: 00:18:22

were in the British version?

381

: 00:18:24

Scott: no.

382

: 00:18:25

Katie: No.

383

: 00:18:25

Okay.

384

: 00:18:26

Scott: No.

385

: 00:18:29

Katie: Alright, moving on.

386

: 00:18:31

Let's see what the top 10 billboards

were from the very specific

387

: 00:18:35

week that black dog came out.

388

: 00:18:37

So May 1st, 1998.

389

: 00:18:40

Oh my God.

390

: 00:18:41

The number one song.

391

: 00:18:43

I still love this song.

392

: 00:18:44

If, if I'm out like some like at a

bar and this comes on too close by

393

: 00:18:49

Next, do you know the song I'm talking

about, like step back You dancing?

394

: 00:18:55

Kind of close that one.

395

: 00:18:58

Scott: That does sound kind of familiar.

396

: 00:19:00

Um, but.

397

: 00:19:02

Katie: I love it and that's probably a

one hit wonder by next, but great song.

398

: 00:19:10

Shania Twain has the number two

song with you are still the one.

399

: 00:19:14

I remember that being big.

400

: 00:19:15

I'm not a country person, but.

401

: 00:19:17

Shania had a lot of crossover.

402

: 00:19:19

And very pretty

403

: 00:19:20

Scott: Yeah.

404

: 00:19:20

Katie: poppy country songs,

405

: 00:19:22

the number three song is called

Let's Ride, and it's by Montel Jordan

406

: 00:19:27

featuring Master P and Silk, the Shocker.

407

: 00:19:31

This is so very 98.

408

: 00:19:34

Yeah.

409

: 00:19:34

Great song.

410

: 00:19:37

Casey and Jojo has the number

four song with all my life.

411

: 00:19:41

I'm sure you know that one.

412

: 00:19:43

Scott: Possibly,

413

: 00:19:44

Katie: My Life.

414

: 00:19:46

A pre for someone Like You, the

Number Five song is Frozen by Madonna.

415

: 00:19:54

Scott: Yeah, I know

416

: 00:19:54

that one.

417

: 00:19:55

Katie: I, that's so funny

because I'm like, what's frozen?

418

: 00:19:59

Scott: Yeah.

419

: 00:20:00

I don't, I dunno why.

420

: 00:20:01

I just I remember she's kinda it's got,

I remember it's got like a weird video.

421

: 00:20:05

She's like out in the desert or

422

: 00:20:06

something.

423

: 00:20:06

Like it's, it's some, yeah.

424

: 00:20:08

Katie: oh, maybe.

425

: 00:20:10

Yeah.

426

: 00:20:10

Okay.

427

: 00:20:11

Yeah.

428

: 00:20:12

But I was like, God, I love Madonna too.

429

: 00:20:14

And I'm like, what's frozen?

430

: 00:20:17

The number six song is called Body Bumping

Yippy, Yayo by Public Announcement.

431

: 00:20:24

That's a certainly a one hit wonder.

432

: 00:20:28

I, I think you'll recall the

number seven song by Savage Garden

433

: 00:20:34

very nineties with truly Madly

434

: 00:20:36

Scott: Oh yeah.

435

: 00:20:37

Katie: Do you remember that one?

436

: 00:20:49

Scott: I do re I do remember

437

: 00:20:50

Katie: Very, this is so very like

late nineties, as is the number

438

: 00:20:54

eight song by everybody Backstreet's

Back by the Backstreet Boys.

439

: 00:21:01

Scott: Yes.

440

: 00:21:02

It's interesting 'cause there's,

there's a bunch of them that I

441

: 00:21:04

just, I'm just not aware of at all.

442

: 00:21:07

And it, it is funny as well

because I decided just because

443

: 00:21:11

I knew you did this bit.

444

: 00:21:12

I knew that these charts are

quite different in the US

445

: 00:21:15

to the uk.

446

: 00:21:17

I was like, I was like, I wonder what

the charts looked like in the uk.

447

: 00:21:20

So I looked it up and the only,

the only one, the only one

448

: 00:21:23

that's the same is truly madly

449

: 00:21:25

Katie: Really?

450

: 00:21:25

Scott: the Savage Garden, though

the only one, the only one

451

: 00:21:28

that's the same in the top 10.

452

: 00:21:29

Yeah.

453

: 00:21:31

Katie: Well, there's a, so Romeo and

Juliet by Silky Fine featuring Chill.

454

: 00:21:37

Was the number nine song and

number 10, I remember this being

455

: 00:21:41

huge, this like all summer.

456

: 00:21:43

It was like the summer song, sex

and Candy by Marcy Playground.

457

: 00:21:48

Was that in your top 10 too?

458

: 00:21:52

Scott: Not for that week,

but I do remember that song.

459

: 00:21:55

Uh, I don't know, maybe things were

released at a different time as well,

460

: 00:21:58

but I think Yeah, some, some of

the ones, some of the ones in

461

: 00:22:01

the UK top 10 are very British.

462

: 00:22:03

So.

463

: 00:22:04

Katie: Would I know

464

: 00:22:05

Scott: didn't, I don't know.

465

: 00:22:07

I mean, I can run through them

466

: 00:22:08

quickly if you want.

467

: 00:22:10

Okay, so at 10 we've got

teardrop by massive attack,

468

: 00:22:16

Katie: Not ringing a bell.

469

: 00:22:17

Scott: Do you know who Massive Attack

470

: 00:22:18

are?

471

: 00:22:19

Oh,

472

: 00:22:19

Katie: I don't.

473

: 00:22:20

Scott: okay.

474

: 00:22:21

They, they're, they're a really cool band.

475

: 00:22:22

They're a trip pop band that

were very big in the nineties.

476

: 00:22:25

So then in number nine we've got Push

It By Garbage Who were like a kinda alt

477

: 00:22:30

Katie: Oh, I loved garbage.

478

: 00:22:31

Yeah.

479

: 00:22:33

Scott: And number eight, dance The Night

Away by the Mavericks, which is like a

480

: 00:22:37

kind of country, American kinda country

481

: 00:22:39

thing.

482

: 00:22:40

Thing on my mind by steps who

were like a kinda boy girl band.

483

: 00:22:44

Katie: of steps?

484

: 00:22:45

Scott: Um, Truly Madly

Deeply at number six, Savage

485

: 00:22:48

Garden.

486

: 00:22:49

Katie: funny.

487

: 00:22:50

Scott: Like that by run DMC

versus Jason Nevins, which

488

: 00:22:54

is like a remix of an old run

489

: 00:22:56

Katie: Yeah.

490

: 00:22:57

Scott: Run DMC song that

was really big in 98.

491

: 00:23:00

That was one of the biggest

hits in 98 and the UK.

492

: 00:23:02

Anyway, um, all that I needed

number four by Boy Zone, who were

493

: 00:23:07

a big Irish band at the time.

494

: 00:23:10

Um, feel It by Tamperer featuring Maya

at number three which was a one hit

495

: 00:23:16

wonder.

496

: 00:23:18

Ray of Light by Madonna at number

497

: 00:23:20

two.

498

: 00:23:20

Katie: I, I very much

remember Ray of Light.

499

: 00:23:24

Scott: Yeah, yeah, I

guess that was a big hit.

500

: 00:23:26

And then at number one under the

Bridge Stroke Lady Marmalades by the

501

: 00:23:30

All Saints who were our girl group.

502

: 00:23:33

Katie: Oh, okay.

503

: 00:23:35

Cool.

504

: 00:23:36

Well, that's interesting.

505

: 00:23:38

Thank you for those.

506

: 00:23:39

Before we get into the movie,

there's some news and events

507

: 00:23:43

one of which you could probably

school me on which is the Good Friday

508

: 00:23:47

Agreement is accepted in a referendum

in Northern Ireland with 75% voting Yes.

509

: 00:23:54

Do you remember that at all?

510

: 00:23:57

Scott: Yeah, so the very big thing

at the time, it was like seen as

511

: 00:24:00

a, a kind of, um, a kind of early

victory for Tony Blair's government.

512

: 00:24:07

I kind of, I mean I didn't read massively

into it 'cause I, you know, at the

513

: 00:24:12

time I would've only been not quite 13.

514

: 00:24:14

But I was aware of it.

515

: 00:24:15

It was on the news a lot.

516

: 00:24:17

We listened to the news a lot.

517

: 00:24:18

Dad was quite political and

I became quite political.

518

: 00:24:22

Cause of that really.

519

: 00:24:23

Um, It was a very big deal and I

think it was seen as, as kinda one

520

: 00:24:27

of the first kind of triumphs of

the kind of Tony Blair government.

521

: 00:24:30

'cause Tony Blair had just been

elected in, in 97, the year before.

522

: 00:24:34

Which was like a, like

a big deal at the time.

523

: 00:24:37

'cause labor hadn't been in power for,

you know, 18 years and so it was a big

524

: 00:24:42

Katie: The Unabomber, AKA Ted Kozinski

was sentenced to four life sentences

525

: 00:24:51

plus 30 years, which is strange.

526

: 00:24:57

But that was actually a plea agreement

to avoid the death 'cause he would

527

: 00:25:02

have received the death penalty.

528

: 00:25:04

Did you guys hear about that?

529

: 00:25:05

Over in, across the pond?

530

: 00:25:09

Scott: Yes.

531

: 00:25:10

I, I, I was,

532

: 00:25:11

We did.

533

: 00:25:12

That news did drift over.

534

: 00:25:13

Yeah, for sure.

535

: 00:25:16

Katie: There were several weddings.

536

: 00:25:18

I guess May is a popular

wedding month, maybe that's why.

537

: 00:25:22

But Ethan Hawk and Uma Thurman, I remember

them being like a big Hollywood couple.

538

: 00:25:26

They married and they divorced in 2005.

539

: 00:25:31

Lance Armstrong got married to

Kristen Richard in May of 98.

540

: 00:25:37

They divorced in 2003.

541

: 00:25:39

Jim Belushi married Jennifer

Sloan in their home garden and

542

: 00:25:44

they are actually still married.

543

: 00:25:47

, supermodel.

544

: 00:25:48

Cindy Crawford.

545

: 00:25:49

Married restaurateur Randy

Gerber in The Bahamas.

546

: 00:25:54

And I think.

547

: 00:25:56

They're also still married.

548

: 00:25:58

Are you a Beastie Boys fan or were you

549

: 00:26:02

Scott: Yes.

550

: 00:26:02

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

551

: 00:26:03

yeah.

552

: 00:26:04

I've got a few of their

553

: 00:26:04

Katie: So, I am going to

mispronounce his name 'cause I

554

: 00:26:08

don't know how to pronounce it.

555

: 00:26:09

Adam Yauch, one of the

556

: 00:26:11

Scott: I think that's

how you pronounce it.

557

: 00:26:12

Yeah,

558

: 00:26:13

yeah.

559

: 00:26:13

yeah.

560

: 00:26:14

Katie: he married, I don't remember this,

but he married the daughter of a prominent

561

: 00:26:18

Tibetan activist, Dechen du in New York.

562

: 00:26:26

Scott: Right.

563

: 00:26:27

I did know he was in, I didn't

know who he was married to, but I

564

: 00:26:30

did know he was into Buddhism, so

565

: 00:26:31

Katie: That makes sense.

566

: 00:26:32

Yeah.

567

: 00:26:33

And

568

: 00:26:33

Scott: and I can't remember if it's LK or

569

: 00:26:35

osh.

570

: 00:26:36

I, I,

571

: 00:26:36

Katie: yeah, I don't know.

572

: 00:26:37

Somebody will have

573

: 00:26:38

Scott: remember.

574

: 00:26:39

Katie: correct me.

575

: 00:26:40

But they did stay married until he

passed away, obviously, in: 2012

576

: 00:26:45

So they were still married at that time.

577

: 00:26:49

Frank Sinatra died May of 98.

578

: 00:26:52

He was 82.

579

: 00:26:55

And do you remember hearing

about Phil Hartman's murder?

580

: 00:27:00

The comedian Phil Hartman of

581

: 00:27:02

Scott: Yeah, no.

582

: 00:27:04

I, this is one of those strange

things where I'm not sure if

583

: 00:27:09

I heard about it at the time.

584

: 00:27:12

Um, I de I definitely maybe a couple

years later would've heard about

585

: 00:27:17

it, or I'm aware of the murder.

586

: 00:27:19

I'm aware of the circumstances and,

and everything went on with that.

587

: 00:27:22

And I think Phil Harmon's great, but I,

I don't, I just don't know if I, if I

588

: 00:27:28

actually heard it at the time or not.

589

: 00:27:30

It's, it's one of

590

: 00:27:31

those things of like how memory works and

you're like, was I actually aware of it?

591

: 00:27:35

Yeah.

592

: 00:27:36

Katie: yeah.

593

: 00:27:36

The mind is a funny thing.

594

: 00:27:39

But unfortunately, yeah, he

was murdered by his wife in

595

: 00:27:43

his sleep and he was only 49.

596

: 00:27:47

So yeah, he was great.

597

: 00:27:48

Talented dude.

598

: 00:27:51

Okay, so black dog.

599

: 00:27:52

I am sure that the vast majority of

people have not seen Black Dog before.

600

: 00:27:58

I had not, and I am assuming

you had not either Scott.

601

: 00:28:02

Scott: That is true.

602

: 00:28:03

I had not either.

603

: 00:28:04

Katie: It was, it did not do well.

604

: 00:28:08

So of the month of May, there were a

bunch of big movie releases that I'll

605

: 00:28:13

talk about, but Black Dog came in

number 12 at the box office for May.

606

: 00:28:18

But the big box office movies here

anyway, were Deep Impact Godzilla,

607

: 00:28:25

the Horse Whisperer, city of Angels.

608

: 00:28:29

He got Game I, that's still like

probably one of my favorite movies ever.

609

: 00:28:33

I love he Got Game I.

610

: 00:28:36

A tiny little movie called Titanic.

611

: 00:28:41

what's hilarious is, so this is May, it's

still like the number four or five movie.

612

: 00:28:49

It was released in

December, the prior year.

613

: 00:28:53

So six months later it's still in the

theater A and like topping the box office.

614

: 00:29:01

Scott: yeah, the whole Titanic thing.

615

: 00:29:03

The whole Titanic thing was crazy.

616

: 00:29:05

Katie: Did you go to it at the theater?

617

: 00:29:08

Scott: I did not,

618

: 00:29:10

No, I, I, no, I, I, I didn't, I

didn't have a lot of interest in

619

: 00:29:14

it, and then because it was just

like, there was nothing but Titanic.

620

: 00:29:20

It was, you know, and it, you know,

and so eventually when it came out to.

621

: 00:29:26

Be able to rent on VHS, which

is what we had at the time.

622

: 00:29:29

The

623

: 00:29:29

technology we had at the time.

624

: 00:29:31

I was like, fine, I'll rent it and

I'll watch, you know, because it was

625

: 00:29:36

just, it, it got to the stage where

it felt like everybody had seen it.

626

: 00:29:39

So it felt like I, I was

required to have an opinion

627

: 00:29:42

on it, and I was like,

fine, I'll watch it.

628

: 00:29:45

And then I, and then I

was like, I don't like it.

629

: 00:29:47

Katie: Oh, hot take.

630

: 00:29:49

Do you still not like it?

631

: 00:29:52

Scott: I probably like it more than

when I first watch it, when it I mean,

632

: 00:29:57

there's things that I don't like about

it's, it's not the type of movie for me.

633

: 00:30:01

I like, it's, you know, and it's not,

it's not, it's not because it's a romance.

634

: 00:30:05

There's other romance movies that I enjoy.

635

: 00:30:07

It's just like, it's done in this

particularly cheesy, sentimental way

636

: 00:30:10

that I'm just, robs me up the wrong way.

637

: 00:30:13

And some of the characters are really

annoying and I don't think Leonardo

638

: 00:30:16

DiCaprio's all that good in it.

639

: 00:30:18

I guess I wasn't much of a Leonardo

DiCaprio fan at the time, or up

640

: 00:30:22

until kind of the last decade.

641

: 00:30:24

I've kind of changed my mind

about him, but yeah, and I found

642

: 00:30:27

his character a bit irritating.

643

: 00:30:29

I found Rose a bit irritating.

644

: 00:30:30

I found it like generally a

bit of an aggravating film.

645

: 00:30:34

Um, and,

646

: 00:30:35

Katie: it to see.

647

: 00:30:36

I haven't seen it in a very long time.

648

: 00:30:38

Scott: but again, I, I think like

I've definitely softened on on

649

: 00:30:42

it than when I first watch it.

650

: 00:30:44

I just don't think it's

a movie for a 13-year-old

651

: 00:30:46

boy.

652

: 00:30:46

Really.

653

: 00:30:47

Katie: No it wasn't.

654

: 00:30:49

I remember going to it

though with my boyfriend.

655

: 00:30:51

'cause let's see, I would've

been like 16, 17, maybe.

656

: 00:30:56

So I went to it was, you know, yeah.

657

: 00:30:59

It was a, it was a good movie for

boyfriend girlfriend to go to at that age.

658

: 00:31:04

Scott: Yeah.

659

: 00:31:06

Katie: speaking of renting it and or

buying it on VHS, it was two tapes.

660

: 00:31:12

It was a movie long enough that it,

661

: 00:31:14

Scott: Yeah.

662

: 00:31:15

Yeah, yeah.

663

: 00:31:15

That's right.

664

: 00:31:16

That's right.

665

: 00:31:16

they had put on yeah, that's

666

: 00:31:18

Katie: So then Bulworth was also a big

movie quest for Camelot, Everest and Lei

667

: 00:31:24

Miserable, which I still have not seen

668

: 00:31:28

Scott: yes, I've not seen any of the Lius

669

: 00:31:31

Katie: Yeah.

670

: 00:31:31

It, speaking of some like that,

nothing about that draws me in.

671

: 00:31:36

I mean, it's supposed to be so

great, but I'm like I don't know.

672

: 00:31:38

I'll like it.

673

: 00:31:40

Anyway, those were the big movies.

674

: 00:31:42

Scott, as you are probably aware, season

one of Retro Made is based around both

675

: 00:31:50

Kurt Russell and Patrick Swayze, who

I am calling the ultimate everyman.

676

: 00:31:56

You clearly like Kurt Russell because

you also had a season of his films.

677

: 00:32:02

Do you have any additional

tidbits that you'd like to share

678

: 00:32:04

about either Kurt or Patrick?

679

: 00:32:08

Scott: Yeah, I mean, yes, I'm a,

I'm a, I'm a fan of Kurt Russell.

680

: 00:32:11

That's why we did the, the

nineties season on Kurt Russell.

681

: 00:32:14

And he, he's been in some of

my favorite movies as well.

682

: 00:32:19

The thing is, one of my favorite films of

all time escape From New York is one of

683

: 00:32:24

the, my favorite eighties action films.

684

: 00:32:27

So yeah, I, I've always.

685

: 00:32:29

For a long time being a big

fan of, of Kurt Russell.

686

: 00:32:32

A little side note.

687

: 00:32:33

It was actually a really fun

season to do the Kurt Russell

688

: 00:32:36

season.

689

: 00:32:37

Because it was, the movies were fun and

also when you researched the behind

690

: 00:32:43

the scenes stuff, it was all good

691

: 00:32:45

stuff.

692

: 00:32:46

Like, basically for the egal season,

it was like a nightmare of it.

693

: 00:32:50

Just, it was just, it was just like,

and then, and then he did this,

694

: 00:32:53

and then he, then he had, you know,

physically assaulted this stuntman,

695

: 00:32:57

then he sexually harass this woman.

696

: 00:32:59

You know, like it was just

constant nightmare stuff.

697

: 00:33:01

And then the Stallone stuff, less

of a nightmare, but a lot of diva

698

: 00:33:05

behavior of like, him butting heads

with riders and directors and kind

699

: 00:33:09

of like swaggering around and so, so,

so less depressing, but still kind

700

: 00:33:14

of annoying.

701

: 00:33:14

But Kurt was always like,

no bad notes about Kurt, any

702

: 00:33:18

movie that I researched into.

703

: 00:33:20

It was always like, Kurt was a great

704

: 00:33:21

guy.

705

: 00:33:22

He was super fast, you

know, that's all I got.

706

: 00:33:24

So I, I never, never read

anything bad about him.

707

: 00:33:26

So that was fun.

708

: 00:33:27

Um, and I am less less aware of the

films of Patrick Swayze and but you

709

: 00:33:35

know, coming back to, to my podcast,

he is in one of my favorite nineties

710

: 00:33:40

action films Point Break, which I love.

711

: 00:33:43

Um, so that is my favorite Patrick Swayze

712

: 00:33:45

movie.

713

: 00:33:46

And, yeah, point I love Point Break.

714

: 00:33:49

It, it, it would be in kind

of my nineties action list of

715

: 00:33:53

nineties action films that I love.

716

: 00:33:54

It'd be like top five

717

: 00:33:55

Katie: Ooh, that's pretty high praise.

718

: 00:33:58

High praise.

719

: 00:33:58

So a lot of the movies that Scott just

talked about, guys, we've either covered

720

: 00:34:03

or will be covering on Retro Made.

721

: 00:34:06

What about Roadhouse?

722

: 00:34:08

I love, that's one

723

: 00:34:08

Scott: I do Yeah, yeah, yeah.

724

: 00:34:10

No, no.

725

: 00:34:10

Roadhouse is great.

726

: 00:34:11

I think that's a really fun movie.

727

: 00:34:13

Yeah.

728

: 00:34:13

So yeah.

729

: 00:34:14

I can't, can't go wrong.

730

: 00:34:15

Yeah, I like, I just, because the

trailer dropped, like yesterday, have

731

: 00:34:20

you seen the trailer for the remake

732

: 00:34:23

with Jake

733

: 00:34:23

Katie: Well, we talked about, it's late.

734

: 00:34:26

No, I have not seen the trailer

yet, but I will be covering,

735

: 00:34:29

I'll do kind of like an add-on.

736

: 00:34:31

But we talked about the remake coming with

the guys that I did the Roadhouse episode

737

: 00:34:38

with, and none of us are fans of Remakes.

738

: 00:34:40

But this one I said, I do like Jake

Al, so I will give it a chance.

739

: 00:34:46

But it, it is sort of like,

don't touch Roadhouse.

740

: 00:34:50

How was the

741

: 00:34:51

Scott: Yeah.

742

: 00:34:53

Truly looked all right.

743

: 00:34:54

I was sur surprised.

744

: 00:34:55

Like I didn't know much about it

other than Jake Gien Hall was in it.

745

: 00:34:59

So I was surprised when, like

Connor McGregor was one of the

746

: 00:35:03

henchmen of the bad guys.

747

: 00:35:05

I was like, I was like, oh,

he's he's doing movies now.

748

: 00:35:10

So hopefully I'm, I'm sure that

would've been an interesting

749

: 00:35:15

experience for, for Jake

750

: 00:35:17

Dill Hall.

751

: 00:35:18

Hopefully Connor wasn't coed off his head.

752

: 00:35:21

Katie: Yeah.

753

: 00:35:21

Well, hey listeners, stay tuned because

there will be a little bit of a little

754

: 00:35:25

bonus episode covering that and we'll

see because we were all like, Hmm.

755

: 00:35:30

Connor McGregor Hmm.

756

: 00:35:33

Makes us less wanna see the movie.

757

: 00:35:35

Yeah.

758

: 00:35:35

For lots of reasons.

759

: 00:35:37

Scott: Yes, yes.

760

: 00:35:38

Katie: so if you've listened to the

show, I clearly think that our every

761

: 00:35:44

men, Kurt and Patrick, have similar

features that they look kind of alike.

762

: 00:35:49

Do you at all think that, or do

you think that I'm a crazy person?

763

: 00:35:55

Scott: I don't think

you're a crazy person.

764

: 00:35:56

I had just never thought about it.

765

: 00:35:58

I had never thought about it.

766

: 00:35:59

Never.

767

: 00:36:00

It never occurred to me.

768

: 00:36:01

It never occurred to me that

they looked similar at all.

769

: 00:36:05

And then, but then the more I looked at

the kinda banner photo on your Facebook

770

: 00:36:09

page for a retro made and kinda

looked at the two of them side by

771

: 00:36:13

side, I was like, I can see it.

772

: 00:36:15

Yeah.

773

: 00:36:15

Yeah.

774

: 00:36:16

Alright.

775

: 00:36:17

Alright.

776

: 00:36:17

Katie: You're not

777

: 00:36:18

Scott: Not man.

778

: 00:36:18

Katie: but, but you can see it a

779

: 00:36:20

Scott: No, no.

780

: 00:36:21

I can definitely see it, but you know,

because like I just thought of them as

781

: 00:36:24

different.

782

: 00:36:24

And also like when I was, when I was

looking 'em up as well, I was like,

783

: 00:36:30

for some reason, I guess because.

784

: 00:36:33

I feel in the eighties, Patrick

played kind of younger roles, so like

785

: 00:36:38

I'm, I was surprised that

they're only a year apart.

786

: 00:36:41

Just because like, like, um, I, for,

for the longest time, Kurt, like

787

: 00:36:48

even in the eighties was playing

kinda middle aged guy roles like a

788

: 00:36:51

lot of the time.

789

: 00:36:52

Katie: a good point.

790

: 00:36:53

Patrick's

791

: 00:36:54

Scott: So I think of him as much older.

792

: 00:36:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

793

: 00:36:57

Katie: Really good point.

794

: 00:36:58

I hadn't thought of

that, but you're right.

795

: 00:37:00

Yeah.

796

: 00:37:01

Kurt does he, it's like for 30

years he's played middle-aged

797

: 00:37:04

roles and Patrick is playing

798

: 00:37:06

Scott: yeah.

799

: 00:37:06

Exactly.

800

: 00:37:07

Katie: or something.

801

: 00:37:08

Yeah.

802

: 00:37:08

That's funny.

803

: 00:37:09

Scott: Yeah.

804

: 00:37:10

Katie: Well, shall we finally

get into the movie Black Dog?

805

: 00:37:22

Black Dog was released May

st,: 1998

806

: 00:37:30

It's only got a 5.5 out of 10

IMDB rating, which I have thoughts

807

: 00:37:38

about that I'll get to later.

808

: 00:37:40

The director is Kevin Hooks I mean,

he doesn't have a ton of credits,

809

: 00:37:44

but he is known for directing

passenger 57 and then he's probably

810

: 00:37:50

got a lot more TV directing, so.

811

: 00:37:53

14 episodes of the TV series,

prison Break, five episodes of This

812

: 00:37:57

Is Us and a bunch of other stuff.

813

: 00:38:00

The writers there's two of

them and neither of them

814

: 00:38:02

were well known to me anyway.

815

: 00:38:04

William Berry and Dan Vining and

the music was a soundtrack of

816

: 00:38:11

mostly like country music because

we have a country star in it.

817

: 00:38:14

But the music is done by George S.

818

: 00:38:17

Clinton, who I believe to be like

a pretty well known country artist.

819

: 00:38:23

Are you at all Into country?

820

: 00:38:24

I am.

821

: 00:38:25

I'm like pretty ignorant with it.

822

: 00:38:28

Scott: I am pretty ignorant

of country as well.

823

: 00:38:30

I I'm very much more of a

kind of rock metal person.

824

: 00:38:33

So, so I, I, and like, and also

I was just confused because I was

825

: 00:38:39

like, this is all country music.

826

: 00:38:41

And like the, the music came

up composed by George S.

827

: 00:38:44

Clinton, and my first thought

was, what's George Clinton?

828

: 00:38:48

The guy from like Funkadelic.

829

: 00:38:51

but no, totally different.

830

: 00:38:52

George Clinton.

831

: 00:38:55

Katie: Yeah, the s but yeah, I, I feel

like he's the, I feel like he's like

832

: 00:39:00

a well-known country star or person.

833

: 00:39:04

Scott: To all country

834

: 00:39:05

fans

835

: 00:39:05

Katie: know they're probably

836

: 00:39:06

Scott: complete entrance.

837

: 00:39:07

Katie: they're yelling at us.

838

: 00:39:08

Well, also because the name of

the movie is like a well-known

839

: 00:39:11

Led Zeppelin song too,

840

: 00:39:14

Scott: Yeah, that's right.

841

: 00:39:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

842

: 00:39:16

yeah.

843

: 00:39:17

Katie: But that's not why

844

: 00:39:17

Scott: See that, I do know.

845

: 00:39:19

Katie: that it's, that's

not why it's called that.

846

: 00:39:20

We'll get to why it's

called Black Dog, but.

847

: 00:39:23

So we have our Patrick

Swayze, he plays Jack Cruz.

848

: 00:39:28

He's our main character.

849

: 00:39:30

And then kind of the second lead

is Randy Travis a young Randy

850

: 00:39:35

Travis, and his name is Earl.

851

: 00:39:38

I think everybody probably has at

least heard of him, but yeah, he's a

852

: 00:39:41

musical artist, but I didn't realize

that he was in so many that he was,

853

: 00:39:47

he has acted in a lot of things.

854

: 00:39:49

I didn't realize that.

855

: 00:39:50

So he was also in Deep

Impact and the Rainmaker.

856

: 00:39:55

And we have another musical, like

it's just full of musical artists

857

: 00:40:00

meatloaf, I feel like he has come

up in retro Made a lot lately.

858

: 00:40:07

Like his song was in one of

the top 10 in a prior episode.

859

: 00:40:12

And then I guess.

860

: 00:40:14

I personally just recently watched

for the first time ever, the movie

861

: 00:40:20

the Squeeze with Michael Keaton.

862

: 00:40:24

Have you ever seen that?

863

: 00:40:25

Scott: okay.

864

: 00:40:27

Katie: I hadn't.

865

: 00:40:27

I had not.

866

: 00:40:28

And it's like a late eighties

movie, but Meatloaf plays a

867

: 00:40:30

bad guy in that movie also.

868

: 00:40:34

So I didn't know Meatloaf was

like such an actor either.

869

: 00:40:37

But he plays red.

870

: 00:40:40

Scott: Yeah.

871

: 00:40:41

Katie: and he does, he's actually I don't,

I didn't realize this, but he is known a

872

: 00:40:46

lot more for some like Broadway musicals,

like Hair and Rocky Horror Picture Show,

873

: 00:40:54

which I've not seen either one of those,

which I know is like blasphemous, right?

874

: 00:41:01

I know.

875

: 00:41:01

Scott: So yeah.

876

: 00:41:02

Meat Wolf is, it is interesting 'cause

yeah, I'm sure like Meat Wolff's acting

877

: 00:41:05

career is much more extensive than for

you know, I always just thought of him

878

: 00:41:10

as a musician and then he, and then he

starred in like Rocky Horror Picture

879

: 00:41:13

Show and Fight Club, and I thought

880

: 00:41:15

that was his entire philosophy.

881

: 00:41:16

Katie: Club.

882

: 00:41:16

Yeah.

883

: 00:41:17

Yeah.

884

: 00:41:17

Yeah.

885

: 00:41:19

He's been in a lot.

886

: 00:41:21

I guess

887

: 00:41:22

Scott: Yeah.

888

: 00:41:23

Katie: he, I just find him strange.

889

: 00:41:25

Like the, his very being odd.

890

: 00:41:28

I don't know.

891

: 00:41:29

I maybe it's the name.

892

: 00:41:31

Does anyone

893

: 00:41:32

Scott: Yeah.

894

: 00:41:32

It could, it could be.

895

: 00:41:34

He's, he was an eccentric guy.

896

: 00:41:37

Like he would like, deliberately kind

of make things up to not in a, kind

897

: 00:41:41

of like lying in a kinda devious way,

just in a kind of mischievous way where

898

: 00:41:45

he would just lie about like details

of his biography, like his age and

899

: 00:41:48

stuff like that in interviews just to,

for his own amusement kind of thing.

900

: 00:41:52

Katie: That is interesting.

901

: 00:41:54

I did not know that.

902

: 00:41:56

Good tidbit.

903

: 00:41:57

Then some of the other characters, there's

quite a few familiar faces in this.

904

: 00:42:01

Gabriel Cassius plays Sonny.

905

: 00:42:04

Actually, you know what I might

do is read the description first

906

: 00:42:08

and then come back to the cast.

907

: 00:42:10

'cause that might help make the cast a

little more, make a little more sense.

908

: 00:42:14

If anyone has seen this movie before, I

desperately wanna hear from you and get

909

: 00:42:19

your thoughts, but we are gonna spoil it.

910

: 00:42:22

So watch it and then

come back to the episode.

911

: 00:42:26

But the description, for those of

you who maybe haven't seen it in a

912

: 00:42:29

while, or most likely have not seen

it, we have an ex truck driver, Jack

913

: 00:42:33

Cruz, that's our Patrick Swayze.

914

: 00:42:36

He's released from prison for vehicular

manslaughter after losing control

915

: 00:42:41

and hitting a stranded motorist.

916

: 00:42:43

His family is in danger

of losing their house.

917

: 00:42:46

They have , a foreclosure notice,

so he takes a job from his boss

918

: 00:42:51

driving a truck up from Atlanta.

919

: 00:42:53

They're in New Jersey off

the books, so to speak.

920

: 00:42:56

And the trailer of the truck is

loaded with illegal artillery and red

921

: 00:43:02

meatloaf is hell bent on hijacking it.

922

: 00:43:05

Jack teams up with Earl, who's

our Randy Travis to deliver

923

: 00:43:10

the load and save his family.

924

: 00:43:12

So that's the description.

925

: 00:43:15

We've gone through Jack and

Earl and Meatloaf who plays red.

926

: 00:43:18

And then there's these two guys that are,

I don't know if this is a thing, but they

927

: 00:43:25

drive apparently when there's this felony.

928

: 00:43:28

Being done hauling illegal

items in a semi-truck trailer.

929

: 00:43:34

Best practice must be to have

some protection cars follow it.

930

: 00:43:40

And that's what sunny and West are.

931

: 00:43:42

They drive in this, it's,

it's a very nineties car.

932

: 00:43:46

It's a blue, it's either like

a Firebird or a TransAm or

933

: 00:43:50

something, and it's got T tops.

934

: 00:43:52

Do you know, are you a car person?

935

: 00:43:53

Do you know?

936

: 00:43:55

Scott: I am not a car person.

937

: 00:43:56

Katie: But it's, it's that kind of a car.

938

: 00:43:58

I wanna say it's a TransAm,

Camaro, Firebird type car.

939

: 00:44:02

They drive behind the

truck as like protection.

940

: 00:44:04

So that's Sonny played by Gabriel Cassius.

941

: 00:44:09

He was in Black Hawk down and some music

videos, but he's got a familiar face.

942

: 00:44:14

Brian Vincent plays Wess.

943

: 00:44:16

The other guy that drives in that blue

car, he's not well known, but I did take

944

: 00:44:21

note that he was a Julliard graduate.

945

: 00:44:25

And then we have the boss who

hires Patrick Swayze's character.

946

: 00:44:30

His name in the movie is Mr.

947

: 00:44:32

Cutler.

948

: 00:44:33

More on that later, if that

sounds familiar to anyone.

949

: 00:44:36

He is played by Graham Beckel.

950

: 00:44:40

He did look familiar, but like

he's not super well known.

951

: 00:44:43

I noted that he was in LA Confidential

and also escape plan for any

952

: 00:44:49

Stallone fans out there like me.

953

: 00:44:52

He was an escape plan.

954

: 00:44:53

And then Melanie Jack's wife

is played by Brenda Strong.

955

: 00:45:00

Did you recognize her, Scott?

956

: 00:45:03

Scott: Like a lot of people in

this movie, I recognized her face.

957

: 00:45:07

And then like I looked her up

and I was kind of like, oh, it's

958

: 00:45:11

not like I recognized her for

any particular role necessarily.

959

: 00:45:14

It's just like I've seen her in a

bunch of TV stuff, which it seems to

960

: 00:45:17

be the same for a lot of the people in

961

: 00:45:19

this movie where I like just recognize

their face and being like, oh, it's okay.

962

: 00:45:23

It's just, it's just,

they've popped up in so

963

: 00:45:25

many things that have just,

it's just one of those faces.

964

: 00:45:28

Yeah.

965

: 00:45:28

Katie: That, that is, that's a good

way of describing the, the whole cast,

966

: 00:45:31

aside from like our top three people.

967

: 00:45:33

But Brenda Strong those of you who

watched the giant TV series, desperate

968

: 00:45:38

Housewives, she's the one who's

dead, but she narrates the show.

969

: 00:45:42

That's her biggest credit, in my opinion.

970

: 00:45:46

Scott: Right.

971

: 00:45:47

Okay,

972

: 00:45:47

Katie: And then FBI, agent Ford.

973

: 00:45:51

It was played by Charles s Dutton

and he's like a super, like you

974

: 00:45:55

all know who Charles s Dutton is.

975

: 00:45:56

You might even remember the

name or recall the name.

976

: 00:46:00

A very familiar character actor.

977

: 00:46:02

He's won Emmy's for several of his,

guest spots on TV shows, including Oz.

978

: 00:46:08

He was also in the movie Rudy Aliens

three, and he was the sheriff in a time

979

: 00:46:15

to Kill, and then his kind of counterpart

that he playfully fights with, there's

980

: 00:46:23

animosity between agencies, so it's

the FBI and the a tfs, the A TF agent.

981

: 00:46:28

McLaren, he's a very

familiar character actor.

982

: 00:46:33

Is played by Steven Tobolowsky.

983

: 00:46:37

He's had, he has like

almost 300 acting credits.

984

: 00:46:40

So.

985

: 00:46:41

Scott: Yeah.

986

: 00:46:42

He's in, he's in, he's in just 1,000,001

987

: 00:46:44

things.

988

: 00:46:45

Yeah.

989

: 00:46:45

I, yeah, yeah, yeah.

990

: 00:46:47

And, and Charles s Dutton and,

and Steven Toski, both, both

991

: 00:46:51

being covered on our podcast.

992

: 00:46:53

Well, Charles s Dutton appears

in surviving the game, which

993

: 00:46:56

will be our February episode.

994

: 00:46:58

Um, and Steven Toski was the serial

killer in Glimmer Man, which we covered

995

: 00:47:04

in our very first Steven Segal season.

996

: 00:47:07

Katie: I did not see that movie.

997

: 00:47:09

I am not a

998

: 00:47:10

Scott: You, you don't need

999

: 00:47:11

Katie: yeah, I'm not a

fan of the Steven Segal.

: 1000

00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:16,310

But I did listen to your episode about it.

: 1001

00:47:18,005 --> 00:47:19,145

Scott: it's not one of the best.

: 1002

00:47:19,205 --> 00:47:20,735

It's kind of a seven ripoff.

: 1003

00:47:20,795 --> 00:47:21,875

It's not very good.

: 1004

00:47:22,085 --> 00:47:22,715

It's you.

: 1005

00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:23,570

Katie: Good to

: 1006

00:47:23,735 --> 00:47:25,595

Scott: we watched it so you don't have to

: 1007

00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,030

Katie: Okay.

: 1008

00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:27,890

I, yes.

: 1009

00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:31,810

Like he's in a ton of TV shows too,

. He played Clayton in Mississippi,

: 1010

00:47:31,810 --> 00:47:36,910

burning Ned in Groundhog Day, and he

was also, I feel like one of the, like

: 1011

00:47:36,910 --> 00:47:39,855

police people in Thelma and Louise.

: 1012

00:47:40,695 --> 00:47:45,765

But he was in a ton of episodes

of Ca Fornication as Stew Eggs.

: 1013

00:47:46,155 --> 00:47:47,955

He was Hugo in Deadwood.

: 1014

00:47:47,985 --> 00:47:53,055

So then the name may not sound familiar

to you guys, but you do know his face.

: 1015

00:47:53,055 --> 00:47:54,015

I promised you that.

: 1016

00:47:55,935 --> 00:48:01,155

All right, so this movie costs $30 million

to make, and it only made 13 million.

: 1017

00:48:01,905 --> 00:48:04,365

That's, I wonder why that is.

: 1018

00:48:04,365 --> 00:48:05,295

Do you have thoughts about that?

: 1019

00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:09,870

Scott: It could be that there,

there was other big releases and

: 1020

00:48:09,870 --> 00:48:12,660

it just got overshadowed by that

and it just got drowned out by the,

: 1021

00:48:12,690 --> 00:48:13,890

by the bigger releases that you

: 1022

00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:15,120

talked about in the top 10.

: 1023

00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:21,330

But I think like also even though, and

I'm sure we'll get into it, there is

: 1024

00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:23,310

elements of this film that have very, very

: 1025

00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:31,620

nineties, um, it is also like a film kind

of out of time in the sense of this is a

: 1026

00:48:31,620 --> 00:48:37,590

movie that feels like it should have come

out in: 1978

: 1027

00:48:38,685 --> 00:48:38,805

Is,

: 1028

00:48:39,315 --> 00:48:40,980

Katie: That's a, that's so funny.

: 1029

00:48:41,370 --> 00:48:45,960

There, there probably is a movie

and we just haven't seen it about

: 1030

00:48:46,185 --> 00:48:47,925

Scott: well, I mean like,

yeah, I mean there is

: 1031

00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:51,490

movies like that like, you know, you know,

whether it's the Smokey in the band that

: 1032

00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:53,380

films or like White Lightning Gator, you

: 1033

00:48:53,385 --> 00:48:56,380

know, all those kind, you know,

like all those seventies, but Right.

: 1034

00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,150

But like that very specific, kind of

like that late seventies period that

: 1035

00:49:01,150 --> 00:49:05,050

was like smoky in the bandit jus of

hazards, you know, came on, you know,

: 1036

00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:05,890

all that kinda stuff.

: 1037

00:49:05,890 --> 00:49:10,655

Everything was about kind of like that

kind of the south and car chases and I

: 1038

00:49:10,655 --> 00:49:15,065

feel like is, is, kind of like a late

seventies movie made in the late nineties.

: 1039

00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,790

Katie: Interesting.

: 1040

00:49:16,835 --> 00:49:18,900

Scott: just didn't connect, I dunno.

: 1041

00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:20,180

Katie: That's an interesting take.

: 1042

00:49:20,180 --> 00:49:23,660

I didn't get that feel, but

I see what you're saying.

: 1043

00:49:24,780 --> 00:49:30,510

I had literally, like never, this

is, it is not like this was shown

: 1044

00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:34,560

on cable, you know, like a lot of

other action movies over and over.

: 1045

00:49:34,890 --> 00:49:38,280

I'm not really sure it's,

it really just missed us all

: 1046

00:49:39,795 --> 00:49:40,155

Scott: Yeah.

: 1047

00:49:40,605 --> 00:49:41,895

Katie: well with that.

: 1048

00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:46,230

Your overall, do you have any

overall impressions of the movie?

: 1049

00:49:47,008 --> 00:49:51,808

Scott: So my overall impressions

is like, I enjoyed the movie.

: 1050

00:49:51,838 --> 00:49:53,188

I'm not convinced it's a good

: 1051

00:49:53,188 --> 00:49:56,658

movie, but I did, I, I

did definitely, enjoy it.

: 1052

00:49:57,018 --> 00:50:00,608

And it is very good.

: 1053

00:50:01,268 --> 00:50:04,448

Uh, the movie is very good when it's doing

: 1054

00:50:04,778 --> 00:50:05,288

action

: 1055

00:50:05,393 --> 00:50:06,593

Katie: Yes, I agree.

: 1056

00:50:08,093 --> 00:50:09,113

Scott: It's excellent.

: 1057

00:50:09,173 --> 00:50:10,343

All the stunts are excellent.

: 1058

00:50:10,348 --> 00:50:11,693

All the car chasers are excellent.

: 1059

00:50:11,813 --> 00:50:16,348

All the the, the way the

action is filmed is, is great.

: 1060

00:50:16,348 --> 00:50:17,998

It looks great, everything looks great.

: 1061

00:50:18,188 --> 00:50:19,328

Everything's on point.

: 1062

00:50:19,718 --> 00:50:21,728

It's the things in between that don't work

: 1063

00:50:21,733 --> 00:50:22,298

so much.

: 1064

00:50:22,688 --> 00:50:25,668

And I, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure

there is some things about this

: 1065

00:50:25,668 --> 00:50:27,948

movie that really confuse me

: 1066

00:50:28,338 --> 00:50:33,278

um, that I'm, Basically the thing

that confuses me about this movie is

: 1067

00:50:33,578 --> 00:50:40,178

like the essential plot of the film

in the sense of I don't understand

: 1068

00:50:40,178 --> 00:50:41,528

what the villains are doing.

: 1069

00:50:41,978 --> 00:50:47,798

I don't understand, like, basically

the Jack is taking these illegal arms

: 1070

00:50:48,038 --> 00:50:51,788

to a place and he is supposed to take

them to the place, dump them off at

: 1071

00:50:51,793 --> 00:50:53,738

the place, and then that's it, right?

: 1072

00:50:53,743 --> 00:50:56,078

But then Red tries to hijack it.

: 1073

00:50:56,378 --> 00:51:00,068

So at first I'm like, why are

the villains hijacking their own?

: 1074

00:51:00,398 --> 00:51:02,168

Illegal gun load.

: 1075

00:51:02,408 --> 00:51:04,178

And then I was like, oh no, but it's okay.

: 1076

00:51:04,208 --> 00:51:05,978

'cause like the other guy's like the

: 1077

00:51:05,978 --> 00:51:08,198

main villain, so red is betraying

: 1078

00:51:08,528 --> 00:51:09,368

the main villain.

: 1079

00:51:09,368 --> 00:51:11,108

And I'm like, okay, that makes sense.

: 1080

00:51:11,708 --> 00:51:13,658

But then I'm like, but then why?

: 1081

00:51:13,718 --> 00:51:18,998

But then Jack has agreed that he will

take the guns to the place 'cause

: 1082

00:51:18,998 --> 00:51:20,798

he is got no choice in whatever.

: 1083

00:51:21,398 --> 00:51:27,278

Um, so why is the main villain

Cutler obsessed with getting

: 1084

00:51:27,283 --> 00:51:29,438

Jack and not getting red?

: 1085

00:51:29,768 --> 00:51:30,938

Who's betrayed him?

: 1086

00:51:31,028 --> 00:51:33,968

And if Red hasn't betrayed them,

then it makes even less sense 'cause

: 1087

00:51:33,968 --> 00:51:35,648

they're just hijacking their own loads.

: 1088

00:51:36,038 --> 00:51:39,458

So I, I was just like, throughout

the film, I was just like, I usually,

: 1089

00:51:39,458 --> 00:51:40,958

I don't get into the logic of

: 1090

00:51:40,958 --> 00:51:42,068

like, action plans.

: 1091

00:51:42,098 --> 00:51:43,898

'cause usually they're nonsense.

: 1092

00:51:44,048 --> 00:51:47,678

You know, like I watch a Bond movie,

the villain plan is usually nonsense.

: 1093

00:51:47,678 --> 00:51:49,178

And, and usually I'm fine with it.

: 1094

00:51:49,178 --> 00:51:52,748

But with this particular one I was,

I kind of got really hung up on it.

: 1095

00:51:52,748 --> 00:51:57,038

I was like, I was like, I just don't,

it just doesn't make any sense.

: 1096

00:51:57,068 --> 00:51:58,238

None of this makes any sense.

: 1097

00:51:59,153 --> 00:52:02,783

And also like Cutler is is

not like a great villain.

: 1098

00:52:03,023 --> 00:52:06,983

And you know, he seems really, he

doesn't seem to have a very big gang.

: 1099

00:52:07,193 --> 00:52:11,183

And then once Olive Red Gang gang is taken

out, then he has to do everything himself.

: 1100

00:52:11,183 --> 00:52:13,133

His gang is just him and his henchman, his

: 1101

00:52:13,138 --> 00:52:13,883

head henchman.

: 1102

00:52:14,093 --> 00:52:16,903

And then I was like, he should be

more worried about that than Jack.

: 1103

00:52:16,903 --> 00:52:19,633

You know, like his whole

operation's gone down the sink.

: 1104

00:52:19,663 --> 00:52:22,783

I don't, like he's not

prioritizing at all.

: 1105

00:52:23,833 --> 00:52:25,078

Katie: He is a bad manager.

: 1106

00:52:25,518 --> 00:52:27,078

No, that's so funny.

: 1107

00:52:27,558 --> 00:52:32,198

So, I, I don't know if I was

like, I must have been in a very

: 1108

00:52:32,198 --> 00:52:33,968

forgiving mindset watching it.

: 1109

00:52:33,973 --> 00:52:35,423

'cause I was like, this is good.

: 1110

00:52:36,028 --> 00:52:42,238

I had such little expectation of the

movie and so sometimes that happens.

: 1111

00:52:42,238 --> 00:52:43,198

But I agree.

: 1112

00:52:43,198 --> 00:52:45,178

I was actually impressed by this movie.

: 1113

00:52:45,178 --> 00:52:52,288

I'm like, dang, it's all, for all the

reasons you said it's really done well.

: 1114

00:52:53,188 --> 00:52:55,798

But yes, there are some

pieces in the story.

: 1115

00:52:55,998 --> 00:52:59,658

I agree with you that I

was confused by Cutler.

: 1116

00:52:59,663 --> 00:53:06,798

So the boss forces Cutler's the

boss and he forces Patrick Swayze's

: 1117

00:53:06,798 --> 00:53:09,018

character Jack to, to take this load.

: 1118

00:53:09,018 --> 00:53:11,718

And he knows it's illegal

and he's forcing his hands.

: 1119

00:53:13,698 --> 00:53:21,768

But then there's a point at which along

the journey, Cutler goes to kidnap or

: 1120

00:53:21,768 --> 00:53:24,618

take hostage Jack's wife and daughter.

: 1121

00:53:25,038 --> 00:53:25,998

And I was like, why?

: 1122

00:53:25,998 --> 00:53:27,648

I don't really understand why.

: 1123

00:53:27,648 --> 00:53:30,228

But then I was like,

well, I think he got Word.

: 1124

00:53:30,468 --> 00:53:35,718

Things weren't going well and that

perhaps Jack is thinking about like he

: 1125

00:53:35,718 --> 00:53:37,998

understands the FBI is now on their track.

: 1126

00:53:37,998 --> 00:53:43,063

And so he's thinking that Jack is gonna

give him up and so that's why Cutler

: 1127

00:53:43,063 --> 00:53:48,013

is holding Jack's family hostage to

ensure the safe arrival of the load.

: 1128

00:53:48,643 --> 00:53:50,323

That's kind of how I explained it away.

: 1129

00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,610

Scott: Yeah, I, I, guess so,

but I just don't understand.

: 1130

00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:58,190

The thing that I don't

understand, I guess, is the thing.

: 1131

00:53:58,250 --> 00:54:04,340

The, the thing with red, either red has

been told to do that, which is confusing

: 1132

00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:10,580

or red is betraying Cutler, and Cutler

is more up, more focused on Jack, more

: 1133

00:54:10,580 --> 00:54:15,590

obsessed with Jack than he is on red,

basically sinking his whole operation.

: 1134

00:54:16,545 --> 00:54:18,230

Katie: Yeah, unless, no, I'm with you.

: 1135

00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:23,600

So the way that I understood

it is red is betraying Cutler.

: 1136

00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,070

Scott: Yep.

: 1137

00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:25,670

Okay.

: 1138

00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:26,060

That makes

: 1139

00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:26,480

sense.

: 1140

00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:31,460

Katie: and so he's hijacking the load

that he helped set up for his boss.

: 1141

00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:32,060

Cutler.

: 1142

00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:33,710

You're right, Cutler.

: 1143

00:54:33,830 --> 00:54:37,430

I just think we haven't that's

like the part two, like the sequel.

: 1144

00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:40,940

We just haven't gotten to the point

where Cutler is aware, like he's

: 1145

00:54:40,945 --> 00:54:42,380

focusing on one thing at a time.

: 1146

00:54:42,590 --> 00:54:47,960

I want those weapons and I'll deal with

the fact that I have a traitor in my.

: 1147

00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,510

Force later.

: 1148

00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:51,470

Yeah.

: 1149

00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:51,770

I don't

: 1150

00:54:51,995 --> 00:54:55,050

Scott: I get maybe, that's the

best rational rationalization.

: 1151

00:54:55,050 --> 00:54:55,920

Yeah, probably.

: 1152

00:54:56,100 --> 00:54:57,750

Katie: because we do

just have to go with it.

: 1153

00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:59,575

There are bits that are flimsy.

: 1154

00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,520

But I actually even think that

the characters, they weren't just

: 1155

00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:09,410

cardboard cutouts like the the

four guys who are on this adventure

: 1156

00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:11,360

together, like Randy Travis.

: 1157

00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:14,330

At first I was like, yeah,

why is there even another guy?

: 1158

00:55:14,330 --> 00:55:17,750

But they explained that he's

there because he has to drive

: 1159

00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:22,820

the cab back, back to Georgia.

: 1160

00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,970

Once they drop the load off, then

he's gonna leave and bring it back.

: 1161

00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:26,810

Okay.

: 1162

00:55:27,110 --> 00:55:33,080

Then there's the guys in the like

Camaro car following one of them is an

: 1163

00:55:33,085 --> 00:55:35,180

idiot and he turns out to be the mole.

: 1164

00:55:35,540 --> 00:55:36,440

He's a mole.

: 1165

00:55:36,900 --> 00:55:37,950

Telling the FBI 'cause.

: 1166

00:55:39,045 --> 00:55:39,795

All along.

: 1167

00:55:39,795 --> 00:55:42,585

Like they keep, they're like,

how does the FBI keep knowing

: 1168

00:55:43,515 --> 00:55:46,155

where we are at, at all times.

: 1169

00:55:46,695 --> 00:55:51,675

There's a mole, but then we, there's

also, I didn't see it coming that did

: 1170

00:55:51,675 --> 00:55:59,110

you see coming that Sonny, so spoiler

alert guys, Sonny, who has bonded

: 1171

00:55:59,700 --> 00:56:01,685

with Patrick Swayze's character,

: 1172

00:56:02,855 --> 00:56:03,155

Scott: Yeah.

: 1173

00:56:03,245 --> 00:56:06,035

Katie: like in a real way I didn't

think they were just interchangeable.

: 1174

00:56:06,065 --> 00:56:06,455

I don't know.

: 1175

00:56:06,455 --> 00:56:06,695

I,

: 1176

00:56:07,055 --> 00:56:07,715

Scott: No, no, no.

: 1177

00:56:07,715 --> 00:56:09,425

I, I, I, I, I agree with that.

: 1178

00:56:09,455 --> 00:56:10,685

No, I didn't see that coming.

: 1179

00:56:10,745 --> 00:56:14,305

I didn't see I didn't see it coming

that there was a mole from the FBI,

: 1180

00:56:14,845 --> 00:56:18,445

but then once it was revealed that

there was a mole from the FBI and they

: 1181

00:56:18,445 --> 00:56:20,325

tried to keep it up who's the mole?

: 1182

00:56:20,385 --> 00:56:23,765

I was like, it's sunny, because it

makes the most sense because Errol

: 1183

00:56:23,765 --> 00:56:26,195

is clearly, like Patrick Swayze's

: 1184

00:56:26,195 --> 00:56:27,395

sidekick from the movie.

: 1185

00:56:27,665 --> 00:56:29,075

Wes is clearly an idiot.

: 1186

00:56:29,225 --> 00:56:30,365

So it had to be sunny

: 1187

00:56:30,415 --> 00:56:34,675

Katie: But Wes is the one, I guess

didn't, wasn't Wes the one who has been

: 1188

00:56:34,675 --> 00:56:36,835

making calls, reporting where they are?

: 1189

00:56:38,245 --> 00:56:38,665

Scott: we, yeah.

: 1190

00:56:38,695 --> 00:56:39,565

To too red.

: 1191

00:56:39,775 --> 00:56:40,735

Katie: Oh, to red.

: 1192

00:56:40,765 --> 00:56:41,455

Oh, okay.

: 1193

00:56:41,455 --> 00:56:42,235

Yeah, that's right.

: 1194

00:56:42,595 --> 00:56:43,645

So we have a mole.

: 1195

00:56:43,645 --> 00:56:45,205

That's how red keeps finding them.

: 1196

00:56:45,205 --> 00:56:45,625

So yeah.

: 1197

00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:46,090

Scott: So

: 1198

00:56:46,330 --> 00:56:47,380

we've got two malls.

: 1199

00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:47,680

yes.

: 1200

00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:51,370

Sunny's, the FBI Mall

and Wes' Red, red Mall.

: 1201

00:56:51,370 --> 00:56:51,640

Yeah.

: 1202

00:56:51,895 --> 00:56:55,155

Katie: So along this journey,

listeners, sorry it doesn't sound

: 1203

00:56:55,155 --> 00:56:58,155

like it's that interesting, but

the, there's a lot of action like.

: 1204

00:56:58,470 --> 00:57:04,500

Like a lot of action, car chase scenes,

explosions, crashes, fighting scenes.

: 1205

00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,660

I think that's all done extremely well.

: 1206

00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:08,220

And there is a lot of it.

: 1207

00:57:08,580 --> 00:57:13,620

So we both have the FBI and the

A TF, so we cut between scenes

: 1208

00:57:13,620 --> 00:57:17,645

of them working together, but

it's like agency versus agency.

: 1209

00:57:17,645 --> 00:57:22,055

So I don't know why both of them are

involved, but they are so they're

: 1210

00:57:22,085 --> 00:57:27,005

tracking their whereabouts and then

red and his like dumb like he's

: 1211

00:57:27,005 --> 00:57:29,855

portrayed to be really stupid junior.

: 1212

00:57:30,285 --> 00:57:31,545

And I even thought that was cute.

: 1213

00:57:31,545 --> 00:57:37,055

Every person has a personality except

for Cutler, but like our four guys

: 1214

00:57:37,055 --> 00:57:40,895

and then red and some of those guys,

they, they do have personalities.

: 1215

00:57:41,955 --> 00:57:47,175

And he keeps showing up with either like

a car or jamming into them or he boxes

: 1216

00:57:47,175 --> 00:57:50,145

them in with a couple of other semis.

: 1217

00:57:50,145 --> 00:57:52,665

And so there's always

trouble along the way.

: 1218

00:57:52,695 --> 00:57:54,075

Nothing is smooth sailing.

: 1219

00:57:54,435 --> 00:58:02,975

So yes, we have Sonny who turns out to

be an undercover FBI agent and he has

: 1220

00:58:02,975 --> 00:58:06,985

put a tracker in, in the trailer part.

: 1221

00:58:07,615 --> 00:58:12,325

And later there's a scene where

Patrick Swayze, after Sonny has

: 1222

00:58:12,330 --> 00:58:15,505

already told him, he's come clean

about it because they've bonded.

: 1223

00:58:15,865 --> 00:58:19,765

And again, spoiler alert, Sonny

dies 'cause he got shot and he dies.

: 1224

00:58:20,935 --> 00:58:25,965

So he, he tells Patrick Swayze

this I'm FBI, just so you know.

: 1225

00:58:25,965 --> 00:58:30,465

So anyway, so then Patrick Swayze finds

that tracker and puts it on another

: 1226

00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:32,625

semi to throw the FBI people off.

: 1227

00:58:33,450 --> 00:58:35,765

And, wes, he's the mole to red.

: 1228

00:58:35,825 --> 00:58:36,905

So that's who we're talking about.

: 1229

00:58:36,905 --> 00:58:37,085

I know.

: 1230

00:58:37,085 --> 00:58:38,255

It seems kind of confusing.

: 1231

00:58:39,625 --> 00:58:41,125

So anyway, I was pretty entertained.

: 1232

00:58:41,125 --> 00:58:43,345

I thought it was a pretty

solid action movie.

: 1233

00:58:43,345 --> 00:58:47,725

I don't, because I expected so

little perhaps, but I was way better

: 1234

00:58:47,725 --> 00:58:49,045

than I thought it was gonna be.

: 1235

00:58:49,815 --> 00:58:57,945

And so we open the opening credits,

have this super like fast-paced, intense

: 1236

00:58:58,185 --> 00:59:00,945

fiddle music over the opening credits.

: 1237

00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:02,550

Scott: that's true.

: 1238

00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:08,000

And it's it's got those kind of, it's

got, it is got those kind of wooy

: 1239

00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:12,080

credits that they kinda whoosh across

the screen, which is such a kind of late

: 1240

00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,150

nineties, early two thousands thing.

: 1241

00:59:14,250 --> 00:59:16,800

I just felt nostalgic

just watching the credits.

: 1242

00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,910

I was like, I remember

: 1243

00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:18,150

that

: 1244

00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:18,600

Katie: point.

: 1245

00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:23,010

You're, you're right that is very

late nineties, I knew immediately

: 1246

00:59:23,015 --> 00:59:23,880

what kind of movie it was.

: 1247

00:59:23,885 --> 00:59:27,570

Like it set the stage for, okay,

this is gonna be like in an intense

: 1248

00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,195

situation because that's what's

happening over the opening credits.

: 1249

00:59:31,285 --> 00:59:36,385

And then immediately, like the

opening scene is a car truck chase

: 1250

00:59:36,415 --> 00:59:39,235

with Charles s Dutton, like FBI guy.

: 1251

00:59:39,455 --> 00:59:44,075

So we're immediately put into

this world, and then we only later

: 1252

00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:46,025

see Patrick Swayze's character.

: 1253

00:59:46,545 --> 00:59:47,655

He's like a mechanic.

: 1254

00:59:47,925 --> 00:59:49,335

I don't, I don't know what kind of a Yeah.

: 1255

00:59:49,335 --> 00:59:50,775

At a trucking company.

: 1256

00:59:51,645 --> 00:59:52,155

Is that what he

: 1257

00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:52,620

Scott: Yeah.

: 1258

00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:53,640

He's, yeah.

: 1259

00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:54,630

That seems to be,

: 1260

00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:58,800

Katie: So it's 98, so when

we're introduced, I loved it.

: 1261

00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,690

I, I thought he looked still really good.

: 1262

01:00:00,690 --> 01:00:03,690

So we have a, would he

be like late forties?

: 1263

01:00:03,695 --> 01:00:05,640

Probably Patrick Swayze at this time.

: 1264

01:00:06,460 --> 01:00:08,020

Scott: I think he'd probably be like.

: 1265

01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:10,090

45, 46,

: 1266

01:00:10,090 --> 01:00:10,750

something like that.

: 1267

01:00:11,545 --> 01:00:14,155

Katie: he of course

still looks really good.

: 1268

01:00:14,155 --> 01:00:15,295

He's got short hair.

: 1269

01:00:15,815 --> 01:00:17,735

His face looked a little puffy,

: 1270

01:00:18,995 --> 01:00:23,535

but, I, I was, I'm there for the Patrick

Swayze all day, every day and like he

: 1271

01:00:23,540 --> 01:00:27,185

has still has a really nice physique

and everything, so, yeah, he's wearing

: 1272

01:00:27,185 --> 01:00:29,615

like his outfit throughout the movie.

: 1273

01:00:29,615 --> 01:00:31,625

He is got, it just looks really great.

: 1274

01:00:31,685 --> 01:00:37,480

He's jeans and a button down plaid

shirt rolled up, you know, that look you

: 1275

01:00:37,485 --> 01:00:39,550

guys like rolled up so you could see.

: 1276

01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:41,500

It's great.

: 1277

01:00:41,545 --> 01:00:44,980

Scott: He, he did, he, he did

look like like I, I mean, I'm, I'm

: 1278

01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:46,210

not watching it with through the

: 1279

01:00:46,210 --> 01:00:51,090

same lens as yourself, but but

like for, from, from my lens, I

: 1280

01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:52,710

was like, I, he does look pretty

: 1281

01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:53,100

cool.

: 1282

01:00:53,130 --> 01:00:56,070

He does, because like you say, he is

got, he's got the rolled up sleeves

: 1283

01:00:56,070 --> 01:00:59,130

and he, he's got like the kind of,

you know, those leather driving gloves

: 1284

01:00:59,190 --> 01:01:03,870

Katie: The fingerless gloves of it all

you guys, there's fingerless gloves.

: 1285

01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:04,830

I mean, you know, you're in

: 1286

01:01:04,890 --> 01:01:05,325

Scott: oh, it's

: 1287

01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:06,630

Katie: when those come out.

: 1288

01:01:07,695 --> 01:01:08,955

Scott: I was like, he is looking pretty

: 1289

01:01:08,955 --> 01:01:09,345

cool.

: 1290

01:01:09,405 --> 01:01:12,795

Well, I'm like, I was

like Jack, Jack Cruz.

: 1291

01:01:12,795 --> 01:01:13,125

Yeah.

: 1292

01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,140

Katie: Oh, what a name

that now that is a name.

: 1293

01:01:16,140 --> 01:01:19,050

I feel like Sylvester Sloan

would've come up with.

: 1294

01:01:20,055 --> 01:01:20,475

Scott: Yeah.

: 1295

01:01:20,505 --> 01:01:24,495

Jack Cruz is a very kind of like

boilerplate action movie name,

: 1296

01:01:24,525 --> 01:01:24,855

isn't it?

: 1297

01:01:25,155 --> 01:01:25,520

It's yeah.

: 1298

01:01:25,950 --> 01:01:27,800

It's Is the name of an action hero.

: 1299

01:01:27,830 --> 01:01:28,580

Yes, for sure.

: 1300

01:01:29,135 --> 01:01:29,825

Katie: It is.

: 1301

01:01:30,505 --> 01:01:34,105

I somehow have seen like

a lot of trucker movies.

: 1302

01:01:34,145 --> 01:01:41,795

I don't know if this is a whole genre,

but listeners you'll recall, we had our

: 1303

01:01:41,795 --> 01:01:47,015

other everyman, Kurt Russell also played

a trucker in, do you remember which movie?

: 1304

01:01:47,015 --> 01:01:47,495

Scott.

: 1305

01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:50,240

Scott: He played a trucker

: 1306

01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:51,380

Katie: Eighties movie.

: 1307

01:01:51,575 --> 01:01:52,745

Scott: eighties movie.

: 1308

01:01:52,765 --> 01:01:53,420

Katie: a trucker.

: 1309

01:01:53,912 --> 01:01:54,422

Scott: No, I'm not,

: 1310

01:01:54,467 --> 01:01:56,417

Katie: Yeah, you'll know

Big trouble in Little China.

: 1311

01:01:57,062 --> 01:01:58,442

Scott: Oh, of course he plays a trucker

: 1312

01:01:58,442 --> 01:01:58,952

in that movie.

: 1313

01:01:58,952 --> 01:01:59,612

Yeah.

: 1314

01:01:59,642 --> 01:02:00,392

Love that movie.

: 1315

01:02:00,392 --> 01:02:01,412

Yes, of course.

: 1316

01:02:01,412 --> 01:02:02,222

Yes, that's right.

: 1317

01:02:02,222 --> 01:02:02,642

Yeah, yeah.

: 1318

01:02:02,642 --> 01:02:03,032

yeah, yeah.

: 1319

01:02:03,962 --> 01:02:04,472

That's right.

: 1320

01:02:04,487 --> 01:02:08,297

Katie: So we have both Patrick

and Kurt now playing truckers and

: 1321

01:02:08,302 --> 01:02:14,267

there's like another parallel that

I'm big Sylvester Stallone person.

: 1322

01:02:15,017 --> 01:02:16,007

Did you,

: 1323

01:02:16,112 --> 01:02:16,652

Scott: the top.

: 1324

01:02:16,982 --> 01:02:18,362

Yeah, I've seen Over the top.

: 1325

01:02:18,362 --> 01:02:18,662

Yeah.

: 1326

01:02:18,827 --> 01:02:19,667

Katie: The boss.

: 1327

01:02:20,492 --> 01:02:21,062

Scott: Oh,

: 1328

01:02:21,137 --> 01:02:23,777

Katie: in both movies is named Cutler.

: 1329

01:02:24,692 --> 01:02:25,682

Scott: Ah, that's right.

: 1330

01:02:25,922 --> 01:02:26,642

That's right.

: 1331

01:02:26,702 --> 01:02:26,972

Yeah.

: 1332

01:02:26,972 --> 01:02:27,362

Yeah, yeah,

: 1333

01:02:27,362 --> 01:02:34,082

Katie: so three movies now that have

us thinking truckers are hot listeners.

: 1334

01:02:34,082 --> 01:02:34,922

What other movies?

: 1335

01:02:34,927 --> 01:02:36,122

I bet you there's more.

: 1336

01:02:36,332 --> 01:02:41,102

What other movies about truckers We

have, we've now had Sylvester Sloan,

: 1337

01:02:41,102 --> 01:02:42,422

Kurt Russell, and Patrick Swayze.

: 1338

01:02:42,422 --> 01:02:44,522

All super hot dudes playing truckers.

: 1339

01:02:45,932 --> 01:02:46,442

Scott: Yeah.

: 1340

01:02:46,562 --> 01:02:47,852

I, I don't, I don't know.

: 1341

01:02:47,857 --> 01:02:50,822

I don't, I, I, I'm just trying

to think of other truck movies.

: 1342

01:02:50,822 --> 01:02:51,692

I can't remember.

: 1343

01:02:51,992 --> 01:02:53,887

I know that there's I

wouldn't say he's hot though.

: 1344

01:02:54,107 --> 01:02:56,922

There's a, you know, Burt

Reynolds friend and smoking in

: 1345

01:02:56,927 --> 01:02:57,942

the band that he's a trucker.

: 1346

01:02:57,942 --> 01:02:58,722

There's a lot of trucks in

: 1347

01:02:58,722 --> 01:02:59,292

that movie.

: 1348

01:02:59,752 --> 01:03:01,552

Yeah, I can't remember.

: 1349

01:03:02,217 --> 01:03:04,852

I can't really remember

Convoy now that I remember.

: 1350

01:03:04,912 --> 01:03:07,252

I remember there was a lot

of truck rives in the kinda

: 1351

01:03:07,432 --> 01:03:08,152

Katie: Yeah, you're right.

: 1352

01:03:08,157 --> 01:03:11,062

You, you, you're spot

on with that actually.

: 1353

01:03:11,062 --> 01:03:11,632

Yes.

: 1354

01:03:13,632 --> 01:03:15,042

I'm a big dog person.

: 1355

01:03:15,372 --> 01:03:16,722

Do you have cats or dogs?

: 1356

01:03:16,722 --> 01:03:17,832

I feel like you've told me and I

: 1357

01:03:18,042 --> 01:03:20,007

Scott: We, we have two cats.

: 1358

01:03:20,112 --> 01:03:20,472

Katie: cats.

: 1359

01:03:20,502 --> 01:03:20,952

Okay.

: 1360

01:03:22,052 --> 01:03:25,712

I am also, when I say I'm a big dog

person, I mean that in two ways.

: 1361

01:03:25,832 --> 01:03:27,422

I love dogs, but also

: 1362

01:03:27,992 --> 01:03:29,132

I like big dogs.

: 1363

01:03:29,132 --> 01:03:30,392

So I'm a big dog

: 1364

01:03:30,597 --> 01:03:30,817

Scott: Ah,

: 1365

01:03:31,887 --> 01:03:38,037

Katie: There is a gorgeous,

large black dog in this movie.

: 1366

01:03:39,637 --> 01:03:40,922

It is all black.

: 1367

01:03:42,092 --> 01:03:46,562

And it's a pretty large

pit bull with cropped ears.

: 1368

01:03:46,562 --> 01:03:48,122

And people don't do that.

: 1369

01:03:48,122 --> 01:03:49,292

I don't know why people do that.

: 1370

01:03:49,292 --> 01:03:52,682

And he has a, I don't actually

know if it's a boy or girl, but the

: 1371

01:03:52,682 --> 01:03:54,962

stud color, he's in the trailer.

: 1372

01:03:54,992 --> 01:03:59,882

He like, I think it's Earl's dog,

but he's in the trailer part of

: 1373

01:03:59,882 --> 01:04:01,442

the truck as like protection.

: 1374

01:04:01,442 --> 01:04:04,012

He's like a guard dog, but he's not.

: 1375

01:04:04,162 --> 01:04:07,672

I mean, we see him and we're supposed to

think, oh my God, that's a vicious dog.

: 1376

01:04:08,272 --> 01:04:10,042

But it's actually like a super sweet dog.

: 1377

01:04:10,122 --> 01:04:14,412

Anyway, I thought the dog was

absolutely stunningly gorgeous.

: 1378

01:04:14,652 --> 01:04:16,212

Did you take note of the dog at all?

: 1379

01:04:17,322 --> 01:04:18,072

Scott: I did like the dog.

: 1380

01:04:18,102 --> 01:04:18,747

Yes, yes.

: 1381

01:04:18,802 --> 01:04:19,552

It is a cool dog.

: 1382

01:04:19,602 --> 01:04:22,242

Katie: I think we're supposed to be

kind of scared of it at first because of

: 1383

01:04:22,617 --> 01:04:22,947

Scott: Oh Yeah.

: 1384

01:04:22,947 --> 01:04:23,457

for sure.

: 1385

01:04:23,462 --> 01:04:23,652

When?

: 1386

01:04:23,727 --> 01:04:25,887

When he is 'cause he opens

the door and it's girling

: 1387

01:04:25,887 --> 01:04:27,087

at him and all that kinda stuff.

: 1388

01:04:27,087 --> 01:04:28,437

And it looks like he's

about to chew his arm

: 1389

01:04:28,572 --> 01:04:28,872

Katie: Yeah.

: 1390

01:04:28,872 --> 01:04:31,812

And just pit bulls with

the, those short cro ears.

: 1391

01:04:31,812 --> 01:04:34,002

Ugh, if he had floppy

ears, he'd just, ugh.

: 1392

01:04:34,377 --> 01:04:35,337

I don't know why people do that.

: 1393

01:04:35,337 --> 01:04:41,846

Anyway, the dog's name is Tiny and it's

Earl's dog and Earl gets hurt at the

: 1394

01:04:41,846 --> 01:04:46,137

end of the movie and he asks Patrick s

Spacey and his family to take care of

: 1395

01:04:46,137 --> 01:04:48,647

tiny for him until everything blows over.

: 1396

01:04:48,647 --> 01:04:49,517

I think he says.

: 1397

01:04:49,877 --> 01:04:50,507

So

: 1398

01:04:50,777 --> 01:04:50,957

Scott: Yeah.

: 1399

01:04:52,427 --> 01:04:54,047

Katie: there's a, there's an

awesome dog in the movie, I

: 1400

01:04:54,047 --> 01:04:55,277

guess is what I'm trying to say.

: 1401

01:04:56,037 --> 01:05:03,987

Meatloaf's character had an

interesting quirk about being, how

: 1402

01:05:03,987 --> 01:05:10,346

shall I say, he was constantly like

quoting the Bible, like he was super

: 1403

01:05:10,352 --> 01:05:12,747

religious like in a freakish way.

: 1404

01:05:13,747 --> 01:05:16,557

While he's committing crimes

and trying to murder people,

: 1405

01:05:16,557 --> 01:05:18,477

he's like quoting Bible verses.

: 1406

01:05:18,507 --> 01:05:19,977

What do you think that was all about?

: 1407

01:05:20,965 --> 01:05:22,540

Scott: I, I don't know.

: 1408

01:05:22,675 --> 01:05:28,460

I, I think it was just I'm not

sure if it was about anything other

: 1409

01:05:28,460 --> 01:05:30,410

than just to give him a quirk,

: 1410

01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,200

just to give him like something

that's, because I feel like

: 1411

01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,430

that's very of the time as

: 1412

01:05:34,430 --> 01:05:40,490

well, like particularly kind of post,

post pulp fiction, that kind of whole

: 1413

01:05:40,490 --> 01:05:45,770

Tarantino influence that seemed to

permeate nineties cinema where sometimes

: 1414

01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,390

characters were, were just given quirks

for no other reason to, just to give them

: 1415

01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:50,840

quirks.

: 1416

01:05:51,050 --> 01:05:53,029

And I kind of feel like this is in that

: 1417

01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:53,420

real.

: 1418

01:05:54,529 --> 01:05:55,820

Katie: I, yeah, you're probably right.

: 1419

01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:57,770

I mean, they were in the south.

: 1420

01:05:57,870 --> 01:06:01,200

I took note of it though 'cause

it was like there was a lot of it.

: 1421

01:06:02,535 --> 01:06:06,730

Scott: I do wonder, like I would be

interested if to, to hear, you know,

: 1422

01:06:06,730 --> 01:06:09,730

if any of your listeners are from

like, I don't know, like Georgia or

: 1423

01:06:09,730 --> 01:06:12,820

Texas or whatever, like what their

thoughts are and some of the characters.

: 1424

01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,770

'cause particularly Junior is like

the cartoon stereotype of what people,

: 1425

01:06:17,770 --> 01:06:21,790

people in the south are south of America

are like, you know, kind of like,

: 1426

01:06:22,325 --> 01:06:22,615

Yeah.

: 1427

01:06:23,575 --> 01:06:24,055

Katie: Yeah.

: 1428

01:06:24,055 --> 01:06:26,185

Like he he's so dumb that he's

: 1429

01:06:26,185 --> 01:06:26,665

Scott: yeah.

: 1430

01:06:26,965 --> 01:06:31,460

He, he's, he he's very much

portrayed as the kind of cartoon

: 1431

01:06:31,465 --> 01:06:33,490

version of hick Town America,

: 1432

01:06:33,580 --> 01:06:33,880

you know.

: 1433

01:06:34,615 --> 01:06:35,785

Katie: Like the mechanic.

: 1434

01:06:36,295 --> 01:06:36,565

Yeah.

: 1435

01:06:36,595 --> 01:06:40,465

'cause there's even a, an

exchange between meatloaf.

: 1436

01:06:40,465 --> 01:06:44,815

Like he says something dumb

junior and, and meatloaf is like,

: 1437

01:06:45,445 --> 01:06:46,585

are you planning to have kids?

: 1438

01:06:46,585 --> 01:06:49,625

Meaning you shouldn't because

you're too dumb to procreate.

: 1439

01:06:50,105 --> 01:06:52,745

And he doesn't even get that part of it.

: 1440

01:06:52,745 --> 01:06:55,985

He's oh, well if I find the mi

the right lady, I might, you know.

: 1441

01:06:57,625 --> 01:07:04,495

I remember in the nineties a game,

like a car game that we played

: 1442

01:07:04,495 --> 01:07:07,685

was Del had you heard of that?

: 1443

01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:09,830

Scott: no, I hadn't heard of that.

: 1444

01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,610

It's not something, I don't know if

it maybe didn't make its way to the

: 1445

01:07:13,615 --> 01:07:15,950

UK or, or I just wasn't aware of it.

: 1446

01:07:15,950 --> 01:07:18,025

I'm not, I'm not sure,

but yeah, never played.

: 1447

01:07:18,025 --> 01:07:18,085

It

: 1448

01:07:18,490 --> 01:07:21,040

Katie: So I keep forgetting his name.

: 1449

01:07:21,130 --> 01:07:23,830

Who's the, not sunny but

: 1450

01:07:24,505 --> 01:07:25,225

Scott: was.

: 1451

01:07:25,635 --> 01:07:26,290

Katie: Thank you.

: 1452

01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,120

He says it a few times.

: 1453

01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,320

He's let's pto.

: 1454

01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,140

I wanna hear from listeners

if you're from the US or not.

: 1455

01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,090

Had you heard of this?

: 1456

01:07:36,090 --> 01:07:37,080

Because I took note of it.

: 1457

01:07:37,110 --> 01:07:38,070

Because we did play it.

: 1458

01:07:38,070 --> 01:07:43,940

So the idea is that at night, if a car

has, its one of its headlights out.

: 1459

01:07:44,585 --> 01:07:45,755

I don't know where the name comes.

: 1460

01:07:45,755 --> 01:07:46,115

Why?

: 1461

01:07:46,654 --> 01:07:47,105

I don't know.

: 1462

01:07:47,105 --> 01:07:50,315

For whatever reason you yell

del and hit the top of the car.

: 1463

01:07:51,125 --> 01:07:52,865

And so Wes wants to play that a few times.

: 1464

01:07:52,865 --> 01:07:57,815

The first time he says it, it's light out

and so he's like the dummy of their group.

: 1465

01:07:57,965 --> 01:07:59,615

Sonny's like it's daytime.

: 1466

01:07:59,735 --> 01:08:00,215

What?

: 1467

01:08:01,755 --> 01:08:04,335

Del it was a thing in this movie as well.

: 1468

01:08:05,735 --> 01:08:13,895

The surprise is because I was just in such

an open, like my brain wasn't on at all.

: 1469

01:08:15,545 --> 01:08:17,854

They got me twice in this movie.

: 1470

01:08:18,335 --> 01:08:19,984

Like I did not see it coming.

: 1471

01:08:19,984 --> 01:08:22,444

As we talked about that

Sonny's an FBI agent.

: 1472

01:08:22,955 --> 01:08:25,535

So this movie actually kept me on my toes.

: 1473

01:08:25,535 --> 01:08:28,325

Scott's probably laughing

at me like, you moron.

: 1474

01:08:29,115 --> 01:08:31,484

And then the ending,

there's a false ending.

: 1475

01:08:33,154 --> 01:08:34,430

Scott: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1476

01:08:34,475 --> 01:08:35,825

No, no.

: 1477

01:08:35,885 --> 01:08:39,615

The, the false ending didn't

get me because I, I was

: 1478

01:08:39,615 --> 01:08:41,415

like, we didn't see red dye.

: 1479

01:08:41,505 --> 01:08:43,065

Rain has to come back

: 1480

01:08:43,305 --> 01:08:47,265

because like that, 'cause that

plot thread was left hanging, then

: 1481

01:08:47,265 --> 01:08:48,734

the film is not doing its job.

: 1482

01:08:48,765 --> 01:08:50,595

I was like, well, red has to come back.

: 1483

01:08:50,625 --> 01:08:53,055

And then so like, when his car

came back, I was like, well,

: 1484

01:08:53,115 --> 01:08:54,165

okay, movie, you've, you've

: 1485

01:08:54,165 --> 01:08:55,934

done well, you've done,

you, you, you've done.

: 1486

01:08:56,234 --> 01:08:58,575

'cause if the end credits that happened

there, I would've been annoyed.

: 1487

01:08:58,575 --> 01:09:02,205

I would've been like, I would've,

I would've been like, but Red

: 1488

01:09:02,205 --> 01:09:03,345

was one of the main villains.

: 1489

01:09:03,375 --> 01:09:04,904

He has to die on screen.

: 1490

01:09:04,934 --> 01:09:09,675

He can't just be like, crash somewhere

and be annoyed and then not turn up again.

: 1491

01:09:09,915 --> 01:09:13,785

Like the whole main thrust of the movie is

Red has been chasing him this whole time.

: 1492

01:09:14,024 --> 01:09:14,475

So yeah.

: 1493

01:09:14,774 --> 01:09:14,955

Yeah.

: 1494

01:09:15,330 --> 01:09:20,010

Katie: Yeah, so we think the movie's

over, so like the FBI, like the, the

: 1495

01:09:20,010 --> 01:09:26,211

crime law element has been, resolved,

and so the family is just like kind ofri.

: 1496

01:09:26,211 --> 01:09:28,642

They're like, oh, drive the

truck back to the impound lot.

: 1497

01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:32,631

So now it's the family, Patrick, his

wife, his daughter, and now the dog.

: 1498

01:09:32,636 --> 01:09:33,772

They're this happy family.

: 1499

01:09:33,772 --> 01:09:40,761

They're driving the truck

wherever and dumb me.

: 1500

01:09:41,091 --> 01:09:45,242

I'm like accepting this being like, yeah,

that's great, because they're, talking

: 1501

01:09:45,247 --> 01:09:46,412

about going to the basketball game.

: 1502

01:09:46,412 --> 01:09:49,207

Like the daughter is oh, are you guys

gonna come to my basketball game tonight?

: 1503

01:09:49,207 --> 01:09:54,277

And earlier Patrick has said something

to her about getting her a pair of

: 1504

01:09:54,277 --> 01:09:55,837

high top tennis shoes or something.

: 1505

01:09:55,837 --> 01:09:58,897

And so he's yeah, after we get you

a pair of high top tennis shoes.

: 1506

01:09:58,897 --> 01:10:00,847

So I'm like, I'm thinking

that's the resolution.

: 1507

01:10:00,847 --> 01:10:01,987

I'm like, oh, how sweet.

: 1508

01:10:02,407 --> 01:10:05,407

And then boom, here comes

red, like sliding in.

: 1509

01:10:05,407 --> 01:10:09,817

So it got me, you guys, there was

a false ending and it wasn't over.

: 1510

01:10:09,907 --> 01:10:13,477

There was one last there

action scene to take place.

: 1511

01:10:14,912 --> 01:10:16,982

Scott: I know it was, it was

a, it was a good action scene.

: 1512

01:10:17,192 --> 01:10:20,992

I, I love this as much as I

think there's like flaws in this

: 1513

01:10:20,992 --> 01:10:25,312

movie, there are certain things

that this movie does that I love.

: 1514

01:10:25,372 --> 01:10:33,082

I love action movies where things are

just, are just very much of an action

: 1515

01:10:33,082 --> 01:10:34,282

movie that, that take you.

: 1516

01:10:34,552 --> 01:10:37,472

They are out of that, out of

the real world that just really

: 1517

01:10:37,472 --> 01:10:39,272

lean into action movie tropes.

: 1518

01:10:39,542 --> 01:10:44,372

So the action movie trope that

this movie leans into is, as people

: 1519

01:10:44,372 --> 01:10:48,032

have watched action movies a lot,

we'll know everything explodes.

: 1520

01:10:48,362 --> 01:10:51,392

Doesn't matter how just

they just explode on

: 1521

01:10:51,397 --> 01:10:52,082

demand.

: 1522

01:10:52,482 --> 01:10:57,162

That's what happens to when, I mean like

red, you know, has a spectacular crash.

: 1523

01:10:57,162 --> 01:11:00,282

He crashes through a window and

then he runs into his train and

: 1524

01:11:00,342 --> 01:11:03,042

like his truck, you know, explodes.

: 1525

01:11:03,372 --> 01:11:04,482

And I, I, I love that.

: 1526

01:11:04,482 --> 01:11:06,972

And there's some of them that are

really funny and really ridiculous.

: 1527

01:11:07,002 --> 01:11:09,282

There's one of the car chases where.

: 1528

01:11:09,557 --> 01:11:14,937

Jack kind of tells Sonny to do

this particular driving maneuver.

: 1529

01:11:15,057 --> 01:11:19,137

'cause this car is like

bashing in to, to Sonny's car.

: 1530

01:11:19,347 --> 01:11:22,107

And he is you know, and, and like

really hit the accelerator now.

: 1531

01:11:22,677 --> 01:11:28,127

And then Jack hits the brakes, the

car goes into the back of it, kinda

: 1532

01:11:28,127 --> 01:11:31,817

lightly taps the back of the truck

and just immediately explodes.

: 1533

01:11:32,027 --> 01:11:36,827

And I was, I was like, that's the kind

of thing I watch action movies for.

: 1534

01:11:37,607 --> 01:11:38,417

Katie: There were a lot of

: 1535

01:11:38,597 --> 01:11:42,167

Scott: Doesn't make any sense why

these explosions are happening.

: 1536

01:11:42,227 --> 01:11:43,967

Everything just explodes on demand.

: 1537

01:11:43,997 --> 01:11:44,597

It's amazing.

: 1538

01:11:45,347 --> 01:11:48,527

Katie: There was one that made

sense because they hit like a gas

: 1539

01:11:48,587 --> 01:11:53,957

pump and then like a trucking, a

truck carrying gas, like gasoline.

: 1540

01:11:54,107 --> 01:11:55,307

So that one made sense.

: 1541

01:11:55,307 --> 01:11:59,277

But yeah, no, it's yeah, I guess,

like I said, I was just very

: 1542

01:11:59,277 --> 01:12:00,807

open and I was there for it.

: 1543

01:12:00,807 --> 01:12:02,212

And, It was great.

: 1544

01:12:02,212 --> 01:12:07,162

Also, you guys, another reason to

watch is that we get Patrick Swayze

: 1545

01:12:07,162 --> 01:12:12,642

channeling his toughness from his

Roadhouse days playing Dalton.

: 1546

01:12:13,722 --> 01:12:20,142

He's injured and he has to, he has to

fix himself up a La Dalton in Roadhouse.

: 1547

01:12:20,232 --> 01:12:25,977

He cauterizes a wound with

searing it with gunpowder.

: 1548

01:12:26,037 --> 01:12:26,937

Is that what it was?

: 1549

01:12:26,937 --> 01:12:28,017

Did I get that right?

: 1550

01:12:28,227 --> 01:12:28,557

Is that.

: 1551

01:12:28,812 --> 01:12:29,382

Scott: That's right.

: 1552

01:12:29,382 --> 01:12:30,402

He, he quite, yes.

: 1553

01:12:30,407 --> 01:12:31,697

He Sears it, with gunpowder.

: 1554

01:12:31,877 --> 01:12:34,217

And I love this, I love that.

: 1555

01:12:34,217 --> 01:12:39,967

Our action Hero is so amazing

that he's not done this before.

: 1556

01:12:41,407 --> 01:12:44,377

He's not even seen somebody do it.

: 1557

01:12:44,647 --> 01:12:50,227

He just heard somebody talk about this

in prison and just immediately imbibed

: 1558

01:12:50,227 --> 01:12:52,352

that information and knew how to do it.

: 1559

01:12:52,792 --> 01:12:53,932

Katie: I mean, it's Patrick s Spacey.

: 1560

01:12:53,932 --> 01:12:54,232

Of course.

: 1561

01:12:54,232 --> 01:12:54,412

Yeah.

: 1562

01:12:54,412 --> 01:12:59,032

Earl's like Earl saw him do this and

he asks about it later, and yeah,

: 1563

01:12:59,032 --> 01:13:01,552

he tells him, oh, you heard about

it in prison, blah, blah, blah.

: 1564

01:13:02,352 --> 01:13:04,062

Scott: I just wish I

could learn like that.

: 1565

01:13:04,062 --> 01:13:07,242

I could just like overhear

information and then just know things.

: 1566

01:13:07,242 --> 01:13:07,902

Just like

: 1567

01:13:08,997 --> 01:13:09,897

Katie: Osmosis?

: 1568

01:13:10,017 --> 01:13:10,617

Sort of,

: 1569

01:13:11,917 --> 01:13:14,767

I'm not a country person, so I'm

like not familiar with Randy Travis.

: 1570

01:13:14,767 --> 01:13:16,297

Like I know what he looks like.

: 1571

01:13:16,417 --> 01:13:17,797

Probably more so now.

: 1572

01:13:18,037 --> 01:13:25,957

But we have a young Randy Travis, and when

I saw him immediate was like, oh my God.

: 1573

01:13:25,987 --> 01:13:28,797

He looks just did you think

he looked like anybody?

: 1574

01:13:31,167 --> 01:13:32,217

No, just me.

: 1575

01:13:32,562 --> 01:13:33,582

Scott: no, no.

: 1576

01:13:33,897 --> 01:13:34,677

Katie: Gossler.

: 1577

01:13:36,102 --> 01:13:36,582

Scott: Mark Po.

: 1578

01:13:36,847 --> 01:13:37,337

Gossler

: 1579

01:13:37,872 --> 01:13:38,352

all the.

: 1580

01:13:38,547 --> 01:13:39,627

Katie: from Saved by the Bell, but

: 1581

01:13:39,727 --> 01:13:40,477

Scott: Friends saved by the be

: 1582

01:13:40,807 --> 01:13:42,487

Oh, like you mean as he looks

: 1583

01:13:42,487 --> 01:13:43,372

now, or,

: 1584

01:13:43,387 --> 01:13:44,257

Katie: yeah, yeah.

: 1585

01:13:44,317 --> 01:13:46,927

Like an older, like a grownup with a

: 1586

01:13:47,077 --> 01:13:50,077

Scott: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1587

01:13:50,077 --> 01:13:52,347

The, the bearded no, I had,

I hadn't thought of that.

: 1588

01:13:52,352 --> 01:13:56,247

That didn't strike me, but now, now

I think about it, yes, because I,

: 1589

01:13:56,607 --> 01:13:59,937

yeah, I saw him in an action movie

like last year or whatever, so yes,

: 1590

01:13:59,937 --> 01:14:02,187

I can picture him as he is now.

: 1591

01:14:02,247 --> 01:14:06,237

Katie: The bit that we didn't talk

about yet was the story of why

: 1592

01:14:06,237 --> 01:14:07,617

the movie is called Black Dog.

: 1593

01:14:09,027 --> 01:14:10,017

What did you think about that?

: 1594

01:14:10,047 --> 01:14:16,392

Scott: for, I I thought I was

kind of, I, I, I wasn't sure.

: 1595

01:14:16,392 --> 01:14:19,752

Like I, it was, it was pretty

entertaining the way it was told.

: 1596

01:14:20,292 --> 01:14:23,532

I was like, my first thought

was like, is this a real thing?

: 1597

01:14:23,622 --> 01:14:23,862

'cause

: 1598

01:14:23,862 --> 01:14:24,222

like.

: 1599

01:14:24,957 --> 01:14:29,527

You know, there's this kind of like

black dog thing of if you're, if you've

: 1600

01:14:29,527 --> 01:14:33,487

overextended yourself and then the black

dog kind of comes and gets you, I was

: 1601

01:14:33,492 --> 01:14:36,667

like, I wonder if this is like a real

trucker superstition, because obviously

: 1602

01:14:36,667 --> 01:14:40,412

there's lots of professions that have

loads of superstitions, particularly like

: 1603

01:14:40,442 --> 01:14:44,462

fishermen, sailors kind of like that, you

know, they're very superstitious people.

: 1604

01:14:44,712 --> 01:14:46,212

I, yeah, that was my first thought.

: 1605

01:14:46,272 --> 01:14:52,412

And then, but the, the way the

flashback is done I think like partly

: 1606

01:14:52,412 --> 01:14:55,652

because it's like a CGI: 1998

: 1607

01:14:55,712 --> 01:14:56,192

black dog.

: 1608

01:14:56,197 --> 01:15:00,412

And then partly because the actors,

the, the, basically the vic vehicular

: 1609

01:15:00,412 --> 01:15:05,382

manslaughter that he causes, the couple

that they got in the flashback, like

: 1610

01:15:05,382 --> 01:15:11,172

they did such kind of hilarious kind

of reaction shots that like, like they

: 1611

01:15:11,177 --> 01:15:16,072

kind of went, ugh, you know, so so it's

supposed to be like this dark moment.

: 1612

01:15:16,072 --> 01:15:19,552

But I ended up laughing because,

it was just so cartoonish.

: 1613

01:15:19,552 --> 01:15:20,482

Then I felt bad about

: 1614

01:15:20,482 --> 01:15:22,642

laughing 'cause I was like, this

is supposed to be a dramatic,

: 1615

01:15:22,942 --> 01:15:24,052

dramatic moment, you know?

: 1616

01:15:25,012 --> 01:15:29,272

Katie: Yeah, so, so listeners, I,

I too wondered Scott, if, if this

: 1617

01:15:29,272 --> 01:15:31,312

is a real, like trekker legend.

: 1618

01:15:31,702 --> 01:15:35,332

So there's a, a story of black dog.

: 1619

01:15:35,572 --> 01:15:42,472

So Earl asks Jack, oh, like something

like, did the black dog come to you?

: 1620

01:15:42,472 --> 01:15:43,162

Or something?

: 1621

01:15:43,162 --> 01:15:45,682

And the idea is that you

push yourself too hard.

: 1622

01:15:45,682 --> 01:15:47,302

You're too, you're tired or whatever.

: 1623

01:15:47,572 --> 01:15:52,792

And then this black dog in your brain,

like in your mind, jumps up at your truck

: 1624

01:15:53,122 --> 01:15:57,322

and causing at least Patrick to slam on

his brakes, lose control of the vehicle.

: 1625

01:15:57,322 --> 01:15:58,552

And then he runs into the.

: 1626

01:15:59,257 --> 01:16:03,187

The motorists and kills them and

so that it goes to prison for it

: 1627

01:16:03,187 --> 01:16:05,827

or whatever, and it's a dark, rainy

night and, you know, whatever.

: 1628

01:16:06,187 --> 01:16:11,987

But yeah, I was, I guess it, to me

it was a bit anticlimactic the story.

: 1629

01:16:11,987 --> 01:16:15,167

Like I thought there'd be more,

I don't know, I wanted more from

: 1630

01:16:15,172 --> 01:16:21,257

the story, especially considering

it's literally the, the name of the

: 1631

01:16:21,347 --> 01:16:23,387

movie, like that's what it's about.

: 1632

01:16:23,957 --> 01:16:28,217

But it, before we get, 'cause

we don't learn this legend or

: 1633

01:16:28,217 --> 01:16:30,947

superstition or whatnot until

towards the end of the movie.

: 1634

01:16:31,697 --> 01:16:37,517

So I thought when we're introduced to

the black dog, like the, the actual like

: 1635

01:16:37,517 --> 01:16:42,107

black pit bull dog in the truck, I'm like,

oh, is that why this is called Black Dog?

: 1636

01:16:42,107 --> 01:16:44,777

I just went with that and then,

nope, that's not, that's not why.

: 1637

01:16:45,327 --> 01:16:47,397

So listeners, is this a real thing?

: 1638

01:16:47,847 --> 01:16:48,417

What do you think?

: 1639

01:16:49,122 --> 01:16:49,572

Scott: Yeah.

: 1640

01:16:50,022 --> 01:16:55,927

And also I didn't realize it was

like, 'cause there's, he has a

: 1641

01:16:55,927 --> 01:16:59,257

dream that features the black

dog kind of early on in the

: 1642

01:16:59,257 --> 01:16:59,647

movie.

: 1643

01:17:00,287 --> 01:17:05,142

Then, and then they kinda call back to it

when Errol explains the superstition of

: 1644

01:17:05,142 --> 01:17:06,672

the legend of the black dog or whatever.

: 1645

01:17:07,152 --> 01:17:10,692

And then I, and then I remembered

the dream scene from earlier

: 1646

01:17:10,692 --> 01:17:14,382

on and I was like, oh wait,

that was supposed to be a dog.

: 1647

01:17:14,532 --> 01:17:17,832

I wrote down in my notes, why

is Patrick Swayze having a

: 1648

01:17:17,832 --> 01:17:18,897

weird dream about a panther?

: 1649

01:17:19,597 --> 01:17:19,817

And

: 1650

01:17:19,867 --> 01:17:20,377

Katie: It did.

: 1651

01:17:20,377 --> 01:17:23,212

It was a strange looking, I

kind of thought maybe too.

: 1652

01:17:23,322 --> 01:17:23,612

Yeah.

: 1653

01:17:25,207 --> 01:17:27,157

Scott: So I was like,

oh, it's supposed to be a

: 1654

01:17:27,307 --> 01:17:27,877

Black dog.

: 1655

01:17:27,882 --> 01:17:28,102

Katie: dog.

: 1656

01:17:28,102 --> 01:17:28,382

Yeah.

: 1657

01:17:28,627 --> 01:17:29,077

Yeah.

: 1658

01:17:29,227 --> 01:17:29,347

Scott: enough.

: 1659

01:17:29,797 --> 01:17:30,517

Katie: Similar.

: 1660

01:17:31,807 --> 01:17:34,317

There's not a lot of trivia.

: 1661

01:17:34,647 --> 01:17:38,187

There usually is like a ton, but

a few things that I took note of.

: 1662

01:17:38,337 --> 01:17:41,907

One thi this is not surprising to

me at all because Patrick Swayze is.

: 1663

01:17:42,612 --> 01:17:47,202

I just love him so much and he

really kinda takes a role on, he

: 1664

01:17:47,202 --> 01:17:51,192

did actually go through a real truck

driving school to earn his class A

: 1665

01:17:51,237 --> 01:17:51,837

Scott: makes sense.

: 1666

01:17:52,272 --> 01:17:54,072

Katie: commercial driver's license.

: 1667

01:17:55,147 --> 01:17:55,537

Scott: Yeah.

: 1668

01:17:56,377 --> 01:17:56,947

That's cool.

: 1669

01:17:56,977 --> 01:17:58,747

That's, that, that

: 1670

01:17:58,747 --> 01:17:59,287

makes sense.

: 1671

01:17:59,287 --> 01:18:03,517

I know that I've read that before that

Patrick Swayze did like a lot of his own

: 1672

01:18:03,517 --> 01:18:07,257

kinda stunts and stuff like that,

I do wonder in terms of some of

: 1673

01:18:07,257 --> 01:18:10,457

the stunts, I do wonder you know,

how much he did because there's

: 1674

01:18:10,457 --> 01:18:11,747

some that are pretty, pretty

: 1675

01:18:11,752 --> 01:18:12,527

dangerous.

: 1676

01:18:12,677 --> 01:18:16,727

Like there, the one, the, the,

particularly the one where he's like

: 1677

01:18:16,727 --> 01:18:20,357

dangling off the side of the truck and

then his feet are kind of dangling and

: 1678

01:18:20,357 --> 01:18:23,747

then the, the car is kind of coming

at him and he has to lift his feet up

: 1679

01:18:23,916 --> 01:18:26,737

and then, you know, put them back down

and then, you know, like all that.

: 1680

01:18:26,797 --> 01:18:26,916

Yeah.

: 1681

01:18:26,916 --> 01:18:31,897

I, I was like, I was like, oh, that's

even, even obviously the, you know, in, in

: 1682

01:18:31,897 --> 01:18:35,227

real life we'd be doing it very slow and

there there'd be all these kind of other

: 1683

01:18:35,227 --> 01:18:36,787

protections around it and stuff like that.

: 1684

01:18:36,787 --> 01:18:40,057

But still, I was like, if he's doing

that himself, you know, that's,

: 1685

01:18:40,057 --> 01:18:41,557

that's pretty hardcore and that

: 1686

01:18:42,012 --> 01:18:42,637

Katie: I wonder.

: 1687

01:18:42,637 --> 01:18:42,907

Yeah.

: 1688

01:18:42,907 --> 01:18:44,947

That, that is a dangerous st stunt.

: 1689

01:18:45,007 --> 01:18:49,687

I mean, he's not 25 anymore,

but it's Patrick Swayze.

: 1690

01:18:49,977 --> 01:18:50,367

So yeah.

: 1691

01:18:50,372 --> 01:18:50,907

I don't know.

: 1692

01:18:51,297 --> 01:18:53,067

Somebody, somebody let us know.

: 1693

01:18:54,117 --> 01:18:56,877

I, all the thousands of

people who've seen black dog.

: 1694

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Okay, this one casting what

ifs are always wild to me.

: 1695

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This one is I almost don't have words.

: 1696

01:19:05,217 --> 01:19:06,267

I don't have words.

: 1697

01:19:06,987 --> 01:19:09,297

Kevin Sorbo.

: 1698

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Was originally signed to Star

instead of Patrick Swayze.

: 1699

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Kevin Sorbo, isn't he the Conan?

: 1700

01:19:19,032 --> 01:19:19,972

What he played?

: 1701

01:19:20,352 --> 01:19:25,137

Scott: Yeah, he played Hercules in,

in the, the, the Legend of Hercules TV

: 1702

01:19:25,137 --> 01:19:25,587

series.

: 1703

01:19:25,962 --> 01:19:28,522

And yeah, like the, or the, yes.

: 1704

01:19:28,582 --> 01:19:32,332

He played Hercules in the Hercules

TV series in the late nineties and

: 1705

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that's what he's most famous for.

: 1706

01:19:33,777 --> 01:19:34,132

That.

: 1707

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And there was a sci-fi

show called Andromeda,

: 1708

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um, that, that he was he

was, he was in that as well.

: 1709

01:19:41,182 --> 01:19:45,172

But I think he's most famous for playing

Hercules in the Hercules TV show.

: 1710

01:19:45,232 --> 01:19:49,802

He has a, I have no idea why

that man ever had a career.

: 1711

01:19:49,892 --> 01:19:52,592

He is the, the blandest action star.

: 1712

01:19:53,522 --> 01:19:56,012

I have there, there's some

actors, there's some action

: 1713

01:19:56,017 --> 01:19:57,212

stars that I'm not like a fan of.

: 1714

01:19:57,242 --> 01:19:59,822

I know, like I'm not a fan

of Kevin Turbo for a bunch of

: 1715

01:19:59,822 --> 01:20:00,392

reasons.

: 1716

01:20:00,732 --> 01:20:03,532

You know, but just purely on his acting.

: 1717

01:20:03,532 --> 01:20:07,942

Just purely he is one of

the most wooden, I no idea.

: 1718

01:20:07,947 --> 01:20:10,067

I mean, I know like

physique wise, he's got

: 1719

01:20:10,067 --> 01:20:13,757

like a decent physique or whatever,

which is pro, which is, I assume is why

: 1720

01:20:13,757 --> 01:20:16,127

he is played Hercules or whatever, but.

: 1721

01:20:17,177 --> 01:20:19,967

I, I just, I mean, I

couldn't watch that show.

: 1722

01:20:19,967 --> 01:20:21,107

I like action shows like

: 1723

01:20:21,107 --> 01:20:21,347

that.

: 1724

01:20:21,347 --> 01:20:25,607

I love Zena Warrior Princess, which

is like a spinoff of that show, but I

: 1725

01:20:25,607 --> 01:20:29,477

couldn't, I couldn't with Hercules 'cause

he's, he's just such a terrible actor.

: 1726

01:20:29,747 --> 01:20:31,727

One of the worst leading men of all time.

: 1727

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Katie: I, I fully agree.

: 1728

01:20:33,107 --> 01:20:38,502

That's, and so, and I feel like Patrick

Swayze is so talented as an actor,

: 1729

01:20:38,772 --> 01:20:45,642

and so I'm like, what, how, how, what

Twilight Zone or are we working with

: 1730

01:20:45,642 --> 01:20:48,942

where Kevin Sorbo was the original

and he had to pull out due to medical

: 1731

01:20:48,942 --> 01:20:54,132

problems and they're like, oh, let's

look at, they got Patrick Swayze instead.

: 1732

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Scott: wow.

: 1733

01:20:56,437 --> 01:20:59,172

I mean, that is, that is crazy

that Patrick s Sweezy was,

: 1734

01:20:59,232 --> 01:21:01,002

was second choice to Kevin.

: 1735

01:21:01,002 --> 01:21:03,972

So the, I've, I've not seen

tons of Patrick s Sweezy movies.

: 1736

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I do like him in some things.

: 1737

01:21:06,507 --> 01:21:10,177

He is 10 times the actor

that Kevin Sorbo is like

: 1738

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Katie: Yeah.

: 1739

01:21:11,916 --> 01:21:12,787

Scott: not even close.

: 1740

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Katie: bazillion times.

: 1741

01:21:15,372 --> 01:21:18,997

I mean, he's like a legit good actor.

: 1742

01:21:19,547 --> 01:21:22,357

I mean, he's one of my everman, so

I've covered him a lot plus he's just

: 1743

01:21:22,357 --> 01:21:26,377

like a great person or what was rest

in peace, Patrick, but I mean, one of

: 1744

01:21:26,377 --> 01:21:29,737

the things that I commented on about

this movie is that I didn't think the

: 1745

01:21:29,737 --> 01:21:31,657

characters were cardboard cutouts.

: 1746

01:21:32,017 --> 01:21:36,397

They, there was at least like

each person had a personality.

: 1747

01:21:37,027 --> 01:21:39,517

So I'm like, what were the Kevin Sorbo?

: 1748

01:21:39,547 --> 01:21:40,027

I don't know.

: 1749

01:21:40,147 --> 01:21:41,077

It's wild to me.

: 1750

01:21:41,467 --> 01:21:42,727

I'll, I'll let it go now.

: 1751

01:21:43,297 --> 01:21:47,377

Scott: I do think I, I, I mean I, I'm

absolutely with you because like you

: 1752

01:21:47,377 --> 01:21:52,087

say, he's, he's a Patrick Swayze a

million times better than Kevin Sogo.

: 1753

01:21:52,327 --> 01:21:58,617

But I do think, it is one of those movies

that has, despite that bizarre possible

: 1754

01:21:58,887 --> 01:22:00,747

ing choice, has been cast very well.

: 1755

01:22:00,867 --> 01:22:04,137

And I think the reason that the

characters aren't cardboard, because

: 1756

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I think based on the script they could

: 1757

01:22:06,112 --> 01:22:06,402

Katie: Yeah.

: 1758

01:22:06,867 --> 01:22:07,977

Scott: is due to the

: 1759

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acting.

: 1760

01:22:08,607 --> 01:22:12,087

And they've just they've got these kinda

great character actors like Charlie

: 1761

01:22:12,327 --> 01:22:18,127

Dutton, Steven Toski you know, meat Wolf,

all these people who have these like

: 1762

01:22:18,637 --> 01:22:22,837

personalities that, that have really

brought that to the fore the characters.

: 1763

01:22:22,837 --> 01:22:24,787

And the same with Patrick Swayze.

: 1764

01:22:25,207 --> 01:22:29,467

Jack Cruz could be a very

standard boilerplate action

: 1765

01:22:29,467 --> 01:22:35,166

hero, but he, you know, he, he brings

it a bit of a bit of emotion to it and.

: 1766

01:22:35,587 --> 01:22:38,916

I think that like Patrick s Sweezy

is one of those action stars as

: 1767

01:22:38,916 --> 01:22:41,887

well who's convincing as a dad.

: 1768

01:22:42,157 --> 01:22:46,207

Not all action stars are, you

know, like a lot of them, you know,

: 1769

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particularly the kind of the kinda

Clints and the, you know, your, your

: 1770

01:22:49,877 --> 01:22:53,657

Dolf res and, and your Stevens of

gals and all these kind of people.

: 1771

01:22:53,662 --> 01:22:55,637

John Club, van Dams, we

often play kinda lone wolf

: 1772

01:22:55,637 --> 01:22:57,166

characters and they make more

: 1773

01:22:57,166 --> 01:22:59,477

sense as like lone wolf characters.

: 1774

01:22:59,687 --> 01:23:01,967

Whereas you put them in a family

context, you're like, Hmm, that

: 1775

01:23:01,972 --> 01:23:02,537

feels weird.

: 1776

01:23:02,807 --> 01:23:04,307

But Patrick, much like

: 1777

01:23:04,312 --> 01:23:08,152

Kurt is one of the few action stars

that makes sense as like a kind of oh

: 1778

01:23:08,152 --> 01:23:10,282

yeah, they do have like big dad energy.

: 1779

01:23:10,282 --> 01:23:10,912

That's, yeah.

: 1780

01:23:10,912 --> 01:23:11,122

Yeah.

: 1781

01:23:11,122 --> 01:23:11,512

That's.

: 1782

01:23:13,777 --> 01:23:15,397

Katie: Dad, I love that they do.

: 1783

01:23:15,397 --> 01:23:15,637

Yeah.

: 1784

01:23:15,847 --> 01:23:20,287

Because there are every men

like you, like they're just like

: 1785

01:23:20,287 --> 01:23:22,957

a regular person, but better.

: 1786

01:23:23,467 --> 01:23:27,632

Two other things, gun smuggling

investigations apparently are not

: 1787

01:23:27,632 --> 01:23:30,182

actually in the jurisdiction of the FBI.

: 1788

01:23:31,552 --> 01:23:36,962

So that is one thing I'm not sure why

they, why that was a part of the movie,

: 1789

01:23:37,472 --> 01:23:39,541

kind of the, the agency fighting.

: 1790

01:23:39,547 --> 01:23:42,872

I mean, maybe that adds a little

bit of a layer, but just I guess

: 1791

01:23:43,002 --> 01:23:44,291

the FBI wouldn't have been there.

: 1792

01:23:44,291 --> 01:23:45,132

Just the A TF

: 1793

01:23:46,482 --> 01:23:49,182

Scott: Yeah, I guess we don't

get the, I don't, I guess we

: 1794

01:23:49,187 --> 01:23:50,532

don't get the banter between,

: 1795

01:23:50,922 --> 01:23:52,937

uh, Charles s Dutton and Steven Bilski.

: 1796

01:23:53,382 --> 01:23:56,291

I did feel like that

was like a very nineties

: 1797

01:23:56,291 --> 01:24:00,492

element of the film in

the sense of action.

: 1798

01:24:00,492 --> 01:24:03,702

Films tend to be socially

more conservative than, you

: 1799

01:24:03,702 --> 01:24:06,612

know, like they just, I tend

: 1800

01:24:06,617 --> 01:24:07,122

to be that.

: 1801

01:24:07,232 --> 01:24:10,952

and Steven Ky kind of talks

in this kind of therapy

: 1802

01:24:10,952 --> 01:24:12,752

talk and, um.

: 1803

01:24:13,727 --> 01:24:19,097

The Charles s Dutton and the movie

has a very eye rolly re reaction

: 1804

01:24:19,097 --> 01:24:24,037

to this but Steven Ky manages

to get Charles s Dutton's respect

: 1805

01:24:24,067 --> 01:24:25,447

'cause he just kills a man.

: 1806

01:24:25,567 --> 01:24:27,607

Not because he's a good investigator.

: 1807

01:24:27,607 --> 01:24:31,267

He is done something, you know, well

at his job, just 'cause he killed

: 1808

01:24:31,267 --> 01:24:32,937

the guy and he is now you're a real

: 1809

01:24:32,937 --> 01:24:33,387

man.

: 1810

01:24:33,447 --> 01:24:34,107

It's like,

: 1811

01:24:34,467 --> 01:24:34,827

Katie: you.

: 1812

01:24:34,827 --> 01:24:35,367

Yeah.

: 1813

01:24:35,782 --> 01:24:38,337

Scott: and it's like, it's like

the politics of this movie.

: 1814

01:24:38,457 --> 01:24:38,817

Hmm.

: 1815

01:24:38,877 --> 01:24:39,777

Bit dodgy, but

: 1816

01:24:39,777 --> 01:24:40,317

Okay.

: 1817

01:24:41,097 --> 01:24:41,577

Katie: good point.

: 1818

01:24:41,607 --> 01:24:44,937

Yeah, and you're right about, yeah,

that's very actiony, very nineties z.

: 1819

01:24:44,937 --> 01:24:45,447

Very, yeah.

: 1820

01:24:45,452 --> 01:24:45,957

Yeah, yeah.

: 1821

01:24:46,012 --> 01:24:47,007

All of the things.

: 1822

01:24:47,527 --> 01:24:54,997

The other thing, so Patrick Swayze, they

give him back his license after this.

: 1823

01:24:55,597 --> 01:24:56,317

Just, I don't know.

: 1824

01:24:56,377 --> 01:24:56,617

Yeah.

: 1825

01:24:56,617 --> 01:25:00,637

That whole, none of that was believable,

but I'm pretty sure that people

: 1826

01:25:00,637 --> 01:25:07,867

convicted of vehicular manslaughter

are not actually eligible to ever get

: 1827

01:25:07,872 --> 01:25:09,847

a commercial driver's license again.

: 1828

01:25:10,177 --> 01:25:13,477

So I don't think that that would've

happened in real life for Cruz.

: 1829

01:25:14,107 --> 01:25:15,997

But you know, it's a movie.

: 1830

01:25:16,302 --> 01:25:20,502

Scott: Yeah, I think that's just what

I, one of those things that is not

: 1831

01:25:20,502 --> 01:25:24,252

believable at all, but, you know,

we have to get there for our happy

: 1832

01:25:24,252 --> 01:25:24,642

ending.

: 1833

01:25:24,642 --> 01:25:27,872

You know, the house is saved,

he's got his license back.

: 1834

01:25:27,962 --> 01:25:28,802

Yay.

: 1835

01:25:28,892 --> 01:25:30,392

Let's go to the basketball game.

: 1836

01:25:30,392 --> 01:25:30,747

You know, it's just

: 1837

01:25:30,797 --> 01:25:32,627

Katie: but wait, yeah.

: 1838

01:25:32,837 --> 01:25:33,227

Yeah.

: 1839

01:25:34,307 --> 01:25:34,817

Yep.

: 1840

01:25:35,217 --> 01:25:38,217

I actually was, thoroughly

engaged watching.

: 1841

01:25:39,237 --> 01:25:42,267

This movie with our

Every man Patrick Swayze.

: 1842

01:25:42,627 --> 01:25:46,737

It was adrenaline filled

Highway Road action.

: 1843

01:25:46,767 --> 01:25:49,107

I don't know how to

describe the genre exactly.

: 1844

01:25:49,557 --> 01:25:50,277

Good flick.

: 1845

01:25:50,937 --> 01:25:54,627

But it is time now to return

to present day reality.

: 1846

01:25:55,017 --> 01:26:00,147

Scott, thank you so much for joining

me to talk about this wild ride,

: 1847

01:26:00,507 --> 01:26:05,037

pun intended, of a movie and: 1998

: 1848

01:26:05,666 --> 01:26:09,177

Do you have any closing

thoughts about Black dog?

: 1849

01:26:10,962 --> 01:26:15,192

Scott: I guess my closing thought is

obviously it's not a super well seen

: 1850

01:26:15,197 --> 01:26:21,402

movie and it's maybe not the, you

know, on a script level, on a plot

: 1851

01:26:21,402 --> 01:26:25,507

making sense level not necessarily

the best movie that you'll see.

: 1852

01:26:26,162 --> 01:26:32,132

But if you're an action fan, there

is like an action scene every five to

: 1853

01:26:32,132 --> 01:26:33,032

10 minutes.

: 1854

01:26:33,062 --> 01:26:33,482

Katie: Mm-Hmm

: 1855

01:26:34,052 --> 01:26:37,232

Scott: And like, and all

the action scenes are good.

: 1856

01:26:37,562 --> 01:26:40,562

All the car chases are

good, the fights are fun.

: 1857

01:26:40,712 --> 01:26:43,802

Everything action related

to this film is good.

: 1858

01:26:43,802 --> 01:26:46,437

So if you, you just want something

that you can switch your brain off

: 1859

01:26:46,437 --> 01:26:47,877

to on a Friday night or whatever.

: 1860

01:26:48,147 --> 01:26:51,207

It's a perfectly acceptable

movie and it's a fun ride.

: 1861

01:26:52,407 --> 01:26:53,547

Katie: I concur now.

: 1862

01:26:53,547 --> 01:26:55,622

Please tell us where we can find you.

: 1863

01:26:56,900 --> 01:27:00,800

Scott: So you can find all nineties

action all the time, kind of

: 1864

01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,840

wherever you can find podcasts.

: 1865

01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,210

It's on Spotify, it's on Apple Podcasts.

: 1866

01:27:05,305 --> 01:27:07,255

It's on a few other podcast providers.

: 1867

01:27:08,035 --> 01:27:10,555

If you want to hit us up

on social media, you can.

: 1868

01:27:10,555 --> 01:27:13,105

We've got a Facebook page, all

nineties action all the time.

: 1869

01:27:13,325 --> 01:27:18,555

We've got Twitter, X, you know,

whatever you want, call that which is at

: 1870

01:27:18,615 --> 01:27:20,825

nineties action as our handle for that.

: 1871

01:27:21,155 --> 01:27:25,755

As I mentioned new Horror Express is

winding down, but you can still hear all

: 1872

01:27:25,755 --> 01:27:27,615

the episodes wherever you get podcasts.

: 1873

01:27:27,615 --> 01:27:30,705

Again, apple Podcasts,

Spotify, all that kinda stuff.

: 1874

01:27:31,065 --> 01:27:35,555

And yes, and also we've got a website,

new horror express.com and I should have

: 1875

01:27:35,559 --> 01:27:39,184

mentioned about All Night News Action

all the time that of course you can

: 1876

01:27:39,245 --> 01:27:42,125

listen to it at the last of the

Action Heroes Podcast Network.

: 1877

01:27:43,095 --> 01:27:47,300

Katie: You can Like Scott's

show about nineties action.

: 1878

01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:53,809

I also co-host one more round the Rocky

Series podcast, and it's on the last

: 1879

01:27:53,809 --> 01:27:55,580

of the Action Heroes Podcast Network.

: 1880

01:27:55,820 --> 01:28:00,380

And that's how I know Scott and

I do wanna thank you all for

: 1881

01:28:00,380 --> 01:28:03,590

listening or watching Retro made.

: 1882

01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:08,990

If you do have thoughts, feedback,

et cetera, please offer a review.

: 1883

01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:15,110

Alternatively, you can also email me at

Retro Made podcast@gmail.com, Facebook

: 1884

01:28:15,115 --> 01:28:17,330

page, YouTube comment, all the thanks.

: 1885

01:28:17,930 --> 01:28:20,270

Until next time, be kind.

: 1886

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