In episode 62, Marc is joined by his longtime Lions of Liberty cohort, John Odermatt. John guides us through his own religious journey and how his relationship with God has evolved over the years. Marc and John then delve into the easily predictable arrival of AI girlfriends, the implications for the next generation, and how John navigates encroaching digital technology while raising his daughter.

In the Smoke-Filled Room for Premium subscribers, Marc and John dive into subjects you don't often hear John discuss over on Lions of Liberty, such as...the shape of the Earth, the true nature of UFO's/aliens, and we dive deeper on just John's relationship with Christ.

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