In this episode of the Ascension Codes podcast, host Natalie Paterson welcomes guest Lloyd James Ross, a wizard when it comes to money. Lloyd shares his journey from growing up on the Gold Coast to becoming an entrepreneur. He reflects on how the opportunities available today for entrepreneurship and online ventures were not present when he graduated from school. Natalie and Lloyd discuss the importance of embracing new possibilities and making a positive impact in the world despite societal pressures trying to keep us in the matrix mind. Don't miss this inspiring conversation on ascension and financial abundance.

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Timestamps

[00:00:00] Intro.

[00:01:39] University vs. Entrepreneurship.

[00:03:31] Learning about money.

[00:05:48] Hustling and learning from failure.

[00:08:32] Uncomfortable conversations and growth.

[00:12:45] Self-education is the path.

[00:15:31] Friendship and spiritual guidance.

[00:19:53] Masculine spiritual guide.

[00:22:06] Spiritual guidance and faith journey.

[00:24:28] Purpose of this reality.

[00:29:45] Resilience and value in challenges.

[00:30:41] Evolution and personal growth.

[00:33:48] Dealing with haters.

[00:37:09] Mental game and pushing limits.

[00:43:24] Spiritual awakenings and past lives.

[00:46:38] Challenging experiences and personal growth.

[00:49:45] Facing fear and taking risks.

[00:52:49] Bungie jumping adventure.

[00:54:29] Overcoming fear through bungee jumping.

[00:58:30] Shit your pants moments.

[01:01:01] The entrepreneurial journey.

[01:03:35] Group coaching programs for entrepreneurs.

Calling in all entrepreneurs, lightworkers, starseeds who are here ready to make impact, more money on this earth and shift to the fifth dimension.

Are you ready to ascend?

Welcome to another incredible episode of the Ascension Codes podcast.

My name is Natalie Patterson, and I'm here with the most fucking amazing legend.

I met this guy a few weeks ago at Gary Vee, and we vibed so hard.

I was like, oh my god, you have to come on my podcast.

He is a wizard around money.

So Lloyd Ross, Lloyd James Ross,

Welcome to the podcast.

Hey Nat, what's up?

Good to be here.

I'm so excited for this.

I was really looking forward to this this week.

What a great way to spend a Friday afternoon.

Hanging out here in this amazing studio you put together and talking about Ascension.

Yes, thank you so much for coming.

Thanks for having me on.

For those of you who don't know who you are, Lloyd, who are you, what do you do, and what does the divine being that you are here to serve do on this earth?

So I'm from the Gold Coast, actually.

I was born in town, but I moved here when I was three.

Thankfully, my parents came with me.

So that was helpful.

Thank God.

Thank God for that.

So we moved here when I was three.

I grew up, I went to school here, I went to university here.

But what's interesting about when I graduated school, as you would know, is that we didn't graduate into the world we are today.

And 23 years have gone by since I left school.

And so all the opportunity that's available to people now

for entrepreneurship and online.

If this had been around then, I'd have sunk my teeth into it.

But there was nothing like this.

So you either had to go to uni or get a trade.

So I went to university and my dad actually didn't go to university.

And he was a multi, multi-millionaire at 28, a beast.

I can't even get into the story that he's had.

It's incredible, right?

But he didn't go to uni.

Wow.

So what's interesting is... I need to interview your dad.

Yeah, you should.

You should come down and do it.

Definitely.

He'd be awesome.

He's a bit, he's a... Is he funny as fuck as well?

He's just a boss.

So anyway, getting, getting to the, the crux of this part of it is that he was like, go to university.

Like he's a really influential guy too.

So I was like, you know, he was the wealthiest dude I knew too.

Right.

So I was like, I better, I better listen to this.

Yeah.

Anyway, so went to university, I did biomedical science, which is pre-med, finished, went overseas, came back, did an MBA when I was 20, finished, got my real estate license, worked for Ray White with Andrew and Greg Bell here in Service Paradise, then went and did a law degree and became a lawyer.

Bang, bang, bang, bang, right?

And I'm 23, admitted to the Supreme Court as a lawyer, all that education behind me and some sales skills, but I then, um, I didn't get into law.

I had a personality clash.

Did ya?

Yeah, I did.

No way, you?

God, I shouldn't have even gone to uni.

I wasn't even built for that, although I could focus and study, right?

I didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up.

So I went overseas and worked for the largest developer in the world.

Wow.

Landed a gig.

It was 2008.

What was it doing?

It was doing, I was working as an assistant project manager on the Formula One circuit in Abu Dhabi, the Ferrari World theme park and the hotels on the largest, what, the sixth largest project in the world, Yas Island.

Yeah, I was a young guy, 23, going to this island, like just green, and just went for it.

And I had a good mentor.

It was great.

But I was driving to and from work three hours a day.

So I was like, oh man, I can't do this.

Like, this is brutal, right?

No podcasts back then, was there?

No, there was no podcast.

There was audiobooks.

So, I remember chucking on audiobooks in the car, right?

And I hired this Toyota Yaris, didn't buy any cars, didn't spend any money.

Because I'd read some books when I was younger.

My grade 11 English teacher, Mr. Barber, said, go and read these two books before you leave school.

And I read them.

Because I was open and coachable to learning about money.

I knew it was important.

I was like, we need to learn about money.

So, I read The Richest Man in Babylon and Rich Dad, Poor Dad.

Wow.

So here's this though, right?

So intuition, spirit guides, whatever you want to call it, potentially intervene and gave you those books.

Yeah.

You spiritual being you.

A hundred percent.

But you know, well, how many boys in that class listened and did it?

Exactly.

Actually, guys, last night, I had Lloyd on coaching my one of the entrepreneur group containers that I run.

And he actually mentioned that I think what was the specifics that 2% of the population of what you say something to actually do something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like the 1% club.

So the 1% club.

So maybe 1% three guys in the club.

That's 10%.

Maybe no one.

Maybe no one.

I don't know.

So I read these books and I was like, how do I make money?

And so

The reason I'm telling you that is because when I was in this job, I did save money.

I didn't go buy a Ferrari.

I didn't spend it.

I didn't buy it.

I just saved the cash and was ready to invest.

Anyway, so I was listening to audiobooks in the car.

I was like, get me out of this rat race.

Fucking three hours a day.

So I listened to Tim Ferriss's four hour work week.

I was like, I want a four hour flipping work week.

So I started thinking about it and I resigned from my job.

The only reason I could resign is because I had money because I saved all the other people who didn't have any cash.

So they were golden handcuffed to the job.

So I was like, money can buy happiness.

So I was like, get me out, right?

Resigned, went, came into property and was in property marketing and sales and rebuilt our family business back up with my old man actually.

It was amazing.

It was the most hectic business experience of my life.

And how long did you do that for?

Seven years.

Yeah, wow.

What was your most challenging time that you went through whilst you were there?

All of it.

All of it.

Wow.

Yeah, we literally rebuilt it from zero.

Right.

Together.

And that was it was just gnarly.

It was just divesting or bringing a business from a lot of overhead down to zero, then back up with digital marketing was the actual experience.

And doing it with other things happening that I won't get into that just was majorly difficult.

Yeah.

Anyway, bottom line is,

You know, when you're going through, like, there's this one moment where we had to move offices and we had to do some deals to make the security deposit to pay for the office bond to then move the staff in and we're having, like, meetings in the cab.

Like, it was brutal.

Anyway, so I remember going away to Mackay once and I was doing, like, sales.

So, like, face-to-face sales in people's houses, in the office.

Just they come in and selling property, property investments, right?

Basically.

And so selling property was, I came into it at 28, no experience.

And I remember sitting there watching my dad, watching my dad, watching my dad.

And then for six months.

And I'd see a client, lose, see a client, not get a sale, see a client, not get a sale.

Six months, didn't get a sale.

And because I had the cash previously that I'd saved up, I could fund my way into it because it was commission only.

Anyway, we're doing that plus rebuilding the business at the same time.

So, it was like hustle, hustle, hustle.

And I get to learn from my dad the craft of sales.

And he was like the number one insurance salesman in the world for National Mutual in 1992.

So, he's a beast.

So, I get to learn from him, right?

So, I was there to learn too from him as well as rebuild with him.

And so, as we're doing that, I remember going to Mackay once.

I had like 12 in-home appointments to go into someone's house, build rapport, trust and sell them a half a million dollar house.

in two hours and leave.

And I had 12 appointments set up.

So I flew there and I came back and I had done zero sales.

At that point where you're like, Oh my God.

I was like, I pitted the next, like, I'm going to get a deal.

Right.

It's just like, there is no other choice, but it's just this feeling of like, Oh, is this going to.

So what's fascinating about success is that in those moments where you don't make money, you come away with skills and lessons.

People say, well, how do I learn how to sell?

I'm like, well, you really don't want to know.

Yeah.

Because you know, you got to go and do the work, right?

There's no better experience than actually going and doing the job and actually embodying it.

100%.

Yeah.

So it was like that where you learn your craft.

I mean, the Beatles played, I think it was like 2000 gigs in pubs in the UK before they were discovered.

Yeah, right.

They just continued, right?

Yeah, so go get the gigs.

Yeah, so I was doing the gig I wasn't making any money but eventually I did and then I did it more then I did more than ever and eventually the business was Became successful again because we redeployed the marketing.

Yeah, and now it's just it's kicking ass But at that point in time what happened to me was my sister got me involved in network marketing Yes, and network marketing has got a checkered past and it's got yes some people succeed something like anything but I

I didn't know anyone that had any success.

But when I started, I was like, I love this.

This is fun.

Went to an event, enjoyed it.

I was like, this is cool.

And I can build a scalable subscription business part-time from my phone in between my appointments in my property business.

So I had a second business.

Chuck it in.

It was fun.

And it was good for the world, good for people.

Awesome.

So then what I did was got it to a point where we scaled it where it was starting to like compete with the property business and I'm like, this is global worldwide where it gets me on airplanes and goes make like this now it was big and juicy.

Yeah.

So I actually had a conversation with my dad, which is a very uncomfortable conversation to actually leave the family, like the business we built to go and chase this.

Yes.

So I did had the like success is a series of uncomfortable conversation.

Yes.

Oh my goodness, oh my goodness, I love this a lot.

Isn't it?

Yeah, it is.

An uncomfortable conversation with yourself, and you have a war in your head about it for six months, and then you actually have the conversation, and you're like, shit in your pants, right?

And then you get through it, and then you get to grow.

And what's fascinating is that his business did better from there too, and so did ours.

So it always works out, right?

And so that's when we went full-time network marketing.

Now what happened was,

Tremendous success, became a seven-figure earner in the industry, training all over the world, getting free trips.

It was the epitome of success in network marketing, right?

With my wife, Alicia.

Did it together.

It's amazing.

We're now nine years into that business.

Nine and a half years, right?

But what you work out is you can't do it full-time.

It's a leveraged business model, which is why it's so good.

So I'm a builder of things.

I love business.

I love building things.

I love people.

I love selling.

I love marketing.

I just love it.

And in the background while this was happening, I was since being in Dubai and living there which is where I met my wife actually.

We migrated back to Australia to get into the property business and network marketing.

And while that was happening, I was always putting away money.

Yeah.

And I was always investing in shares.

Right.

Because I'd read some books about investing and I'd done the CFA charter which is the hardest exam on Wall Street.

while I was in Dubai.

So while I was working in my job, I was studying weekends during the week and on my annual leave when my friends were partying in Brazil, my roommates.

And I was studying for the CFA charter.

Guys, are you getting a fucking load of this?

Like, you're amazing.

Lloyd, you're amazing.

I don't think I was pretty dumb because I was spending all my ambition on stuff that wasn't producing money.

But anyway,

So I did this thing.

Now this thing, just so you know, you can go Google CFA charter.

Okay.

It's a six hour closed book exam on all of the topics of finance, equities, derivatives, bonds, options, financial statement analysis, business statistics, maths, right?

So I do all this self study.

Yep.

And it took me two goes to pass the first level.

It's only offered once a year.

Oh my goodness.

Once a year.

You are so committed.

So it's the tenacity that you have to continuously go and go and go.

Fucking well done.

Brutal.

Anyway, I passed the two levels.

The pass rate's 30%.

Yep.

So you don't get, only 30% of people pass.

Okay.

Then I went to the level two to do it again.

Then I got to level three to finish it.

And there's only like 150,000 people worldwide with the CFA designation.

And it's the highest finance degree you can get.

Well done.

I didn't get it because I left at level three to pursue network marketing.

And so, what happens when you go through those shifts in success is you have to lose part of your identity because my identity is I finish what I start.

I literally, I shit you not, I just filmed an episode about identity.

Oh, there you go.

Synchronicity, guys.

Sometimes you got to like change it.

Like, I'm a guy that finishes stuff.

Absolutely.

And then to go and actually build a successful business, I had to give it away.

Yeah.

And formal education is not the way.

Just not.

That's just not the path to happiness.

And I can say that because I dare say I'm probably the most educated person in Australia, formally.

I actually don't know anyone that has all those degrees I have.

I just don't know anyone.

I don't know anyone either.

So I think it's like I get to smack it around a bit and say, hang on a sec, it doesn't actually get you to where you want to go.

And I know that a lot of young people see that now, but when I was growing up, there was no actual like YouTube where you can learn this and go to an Alibaba and scalper.

None of that stuff.

Right.

And so not even social media existed back then.

So.

I was glad that I eventually figured out that that's not the path.

Yeah.

So self-education is the path.

Right.

What does Jim Rohn say?

He says that.

Formal education will make you a living.

Self-education will make you a fortune.

So anyway.

COVID hits and our network marketing business thrives, right?

Which is amazing.

It's set it up to scale online, which is cool.

But I had some like more stuff to do, right?

Some like ambition.

What else can I do?

And I had this idea, I want to get a second business, right?

And so what's fascinating about the world and how it works in spirituality and so forth is people walk into your life.

for a reason, a season or a lifetime.

And so I'm on stage at a network marketing event, the biggest event of the year in Australia.

Like four or 5,000 people, I'm doing like this partial keynote talk there.

And I get awarded this award man of the year for the company.

Which is a huge pinnacle moment for me in that industry.

And as that happened, there was a guy in the audience who happened to be in the company and be in the business and he saw it.

And it turns out he was a guy who was, he was running this program called Fight Like a Pro.

And he's the, um, he just got inducted to the Queensland Boxing Hall of Fame.

He was the Australian champion.

And he was also number, ranked number 12 in the world.

Anyway, his name's Gavin Topp.

And so he was in the audience and he messaged me.

like a few months after that and said, hey, it's Gavin, saw you talk, would like to catch up, catch up with him.

Long story short, he shows me his Fight Like a Pro program, right, that he used to do.

And it's where you train for 10 weeks and go and have a boxing fight.

And so previous to that in 2016,

Uh, as part of our business, I went and competed in bodybuilding and won my first bodybuilding competition.

Right.

Which is cool.

So I was kind of like no stranger to dedication, discipline, success.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So I was like, and he challenged me.

He's like, would you want to do this?

I'm like, yes.

Um, um, let's go.

So I trained for this thing, do the fight, won the first fight.

It was an amazing experience, but I stayed training with him cause it was hard.

So I stayed sparring at his house and I became really good, great friends with him.

He's one of my best friends.

Yay.

And so here's this spirit guide.

I didn't know it was a spirit guide.

Oh my God.

Guys, are you buckling in?

Tell us a spiritual story.

Go on.

So here's what happens, right?

So for me to get some sort of spiritual guidance, there has to be someone who's quite unique, who I respect and admire, but not just respect and admire from a spiritual woo-woo sense, but someone who I

There's commitment.

There's something else.

There's not many people I go, yeah, I'm going to listen to you.

It's not.

Because most people are a bit of a letdown.

It's like, oh, I thought you were this, now you're this.

And so I'm assessing whether I can just get into it.

And so it's a friendship that's built over time.

Now, what happened was,

When we're training together, I'd already got so much value by being with him through the program and stuff, right?

And he said, I was at training one day with some of the guys I was teaching about money.

And he goes, man, you're so good at this teaching and the money stuff.

I'm like, isn't everyone?

And I didn't, you don't realize that your background, you're unique.

Your background is yours and you have all these gifts and talents and what's called unfair advantages that not everyone has.

Right?

So you've got unfair advantages that I don't have.

And so, so he said, and I was like, oh, and it takes a friend or a mentor to show you those things.

So he said, he said in front of all the guys, he said, you're going to write a book and you're gonna do it in four weeks.

Wow.

Okay, right.

Accountability, belief, so forth.

So I write this book, Money Grows on Trees.

Now, it didn't take four weeks.

It took 20 years.

Because all the stuff in it, all the stuff in it is 20 years old.

Oh my God.

Brilliant.

Brilliant.

It's 20 years old.

So I write this book.

And his son helped me, you know, bring it to life and scale it and so forth and build this funnel.

And so we did it, right?

It was fun.

And it was, it was fun.

It was just because it was a little side project during COVID where everyone else was like hiding.

We're out there in the studio trying to like get through it.

Right.

And, um, we launched it in COVID and, uh, it was a success by and large.

Right.

And it was a success because we fell through it.

And, and so then because I was hanging around that, you know, with Gavin Moore and we keep talking about it, he wrote a second book.

He encouraged me to write a second book.

And for some reason I was on podcasts for the book.

So that was my introduction to podcasts because I didn't really listen to them.

Yeah.

We listened to podcasts.

So like, why don't you just listen to an audio book?

Anyway, now I know why, obviously.

So Gary Vee's like, start a podcast.

And I'm like, oh,

And a guy had me on his show.

He goes, Lloyd, why don't you start a fucking podcast?

I'm like, I don't want to do the studio thing and blah, blah, blah.

I'm doing other stuff.

And so I ended up starting a podcast, Money Grows on Trees, right?

In COVID, after the book launch.

Went for, I think we've done 120, 130, I don't know how many episodes, right?

And we got an award for it.

We've got 105 star review.

It's a very successful podcast.

Anyway, what happened was we launched our newest book, Money Buys Happiness, off the back of the success we've had, telling this whole story that I'm telling you.

Yes.

Right.

Right?

Yes.

And so what's fascinating is we wrote that after we, well, we actually wrote our first book after our share portfolio went past seven figures.

Well done.

So this thing's happening in the background.

So I'm trying to piece all this together in these lessons and Compile them and encapsulate them.

Yes in this book.

Yeah, and we go and build this financial education business, right?

And we scout it within two years beyond.

We just won a two comic club award with click funnels.

Yes, because of this education business because what I learned

See, on your journey, you learn what people need.

So in the network marketing industry, I realized people didn't have the financial knowledge that I had, and they didn't have the financial behavior.

They didn't have all the things they needed to actually just not make money, but keep it and grow it.

So that's what I put in the book, because I felt that's what the world needed.

And so that's why we created this successful financial education business, because it was meeting the need.

And so that's been a success.

But the reason I'm talking about Gavin as a spirit guide is because on the journey, he reawakens this, my Christianity, like the element of spirit that's in me and the spiritual gifts that I have that I didn't realize, because it's God-led.

It just is, because how do you come up with ideas?

And why are they your ideas?

Why don't you come up with them?

Because you have these gifts that are yours, right?

And so Gavin, because he's a fighter,

And he's not a typical, he just doesn't come across as that spiritual guy.

He's a tough guy.

He's tough.

He's disciplined.

He's a fighter.

Fully masculine.

Yeah, very masculine.

Because he teaches men how to be men, right?

And so he's my, he's this masculine spiritual guide.

And at that point, I was masculine guy.

But there's still elements of that, which were undeveloped in that area.

Yes.

And he was the one that brought him out.

Wow.

Right.

But so he brings him out.

And while he said, he said to me, now you've done this, why don't you run an ultra marathon?

Just for fun.

So we step up to the plate and we train for this 100 kilometer, 111 kilometer ultra marathon called the Guzzler in Brisbane.

This is about three years ago.

And

Incidentally, Gavin was training with us, his daughter, my wife, and her sister.

So we're going on this mission together.

Anyway, we're training.

We're doing 70 kilometers a week, training for this ultra marathon.

So getting up on a Sunday morning at 4, going to the hills in Narang, and walking these hills, 35 kilometers, boom, boom, boom.

And we're doing all this training.

And on the hills, his daughter says to my wife, who was atheist at the time, why don't you come to GLOW and have a look at church?

Because Gavin was trying to get me to go.

I was like, oh, yeah.

little bits at a time.

And so my wife says, okay, so we go along.

And then over time she gets baptized.

She starts understanding that walk with God, walk with Jesus.

She's starting to, and my whole Christian belief and spiritual life, I want to say really, is coming alive again.

Right?

So we do that together.

But what's fascinating is that all of the principles that I've been following, it's all like

It's all connected, right?

It's all biblical.

It's all principles.

It's Proverbs driven.

It's King Solomon.

It's, I mean, the stuff that we do to have success in our lives, spiritually, in relationships, financially, in our health and so, is all that.

It's not new.

It's just that I didn't realize.

So now I'm understanding all of that.

I have more of an element of that in me.

I'm not, we're all on a scale of faith, right?

And so we're not, some people,

The devil, it's like extreme ends, but we're all in this, some element of the faith journey, right?

Even if we don't know it's there, because we're spiritual beings.

We're actually spiritual beings with a physical body that's attached.

Oh my God.

I always say this and I always say, we're spiritual beings having a human experience.

We've been here so many times, right?

And so it's like the soul's recognition of knowing what we're here to do.

And it's like, you've been able to follow that time and time again.

And so that's kind of how I, and now I am more thoughtful about being open to spiritual guidance, whether it's the universe, God, walking with principles of Jesus, whatever it is, right?

Anyone, if someone says to me, I'm clever, like if we're on a piece of rock hurtling around the sun at like tens of thousands of kilometers a second, if we can do, if that's happening and we're here,

Anything's flippin' possible.

Right?

It's wild.

And I was looking the other day and my background is science, so I understand physics and to a small level of physics.

But what's fascinating is the elements that make us up, right?

I think there's like a table of elements.

There's 190, 150 elements, right?

That make up effectively the world.

And so the same elements that are in stars, I think it's carbon, hydrogen, might be helium and

Is it hydrogen?

Hydrogen, carbon, there's four main ones.

I can't think of the other one.

I have no idea, so this is great.

Anyway, so those elements make up the stars in the sky.

So if you look at what's in a star, it's primarily those elements.

And guess what the same elements are in us?

The same.

So would it be oxygen?

Or no?

Could be.

Could be.

But it's definitely carbon, hydrogen and two others.

It could be oxygen and another.

So if you look at the core, they're like the four core elements, right?

And so those elements make up the stars.

We are pieces of stars.

Get this.

If you listen to Brian Cox a bit, he says, if you unpack it, because we're from the universe,

We don't look up the stars and say, wow, the stars, we're looking up at ourselves.

We're pieces of that.

But we are an experiment by the universe for the purpose of exploring itself.

This is literally like my big teachings on this earth, Lloyd.

And do you, have you ever heard much about starseeds?

Have you ever looked into starseeds?

No, I don't know.

It's not familiar with me.

Okay, so prior to me being Natalie Patterson coaching, I actually owned a business called Starseeds Society with the intention of awakening all the starseeds to build a society.

When I first got into my spiritual development, I started researching like, why the fuck am I on this earth?

Like, if we're literally, I say this to myself all the time, we're literally just floating around in the universe.

on an earth and we're like in a meat suit.

What is the purpose of this reality?

Why are we here?

And I keep thinking this over and over and over again.

And I'd have all these, try and have all these conversations with people like, why are we here?

Why are you here?

Why do you think we're on earth?

Why do you think we're a human?

Do you remember your past lives?

And I was fascinated by wanting to understand the human experience.

And so then I started doing some research and I found starseeds.

Now there are 24 starseed races in the universe, right?

different dimensions, different realms, and different starseed races are connected into all of us.

Like we, we are starseeds that have come to Earth.

This is my belief system, right?

I believe that before we chose to come to Earth, we signed a contract with our spirit guides, our team, whatever it might be up there,

And we come down to earth and we're like, right.

So you, you came down to earth.

You're like, right.

I'm going to teach the world about money.

And you just like sign this contract.

Like, yeah, okay.

You put your little fucking suitcase on, backpack and you like come down to earth at your mum.

And then you're like, right.

You're born into earth.

And then you've got to go through your life, picking up the pieces, realizing that you're actually here to have a bigger mission, a bigger purpose on this earth because you're a starseed.

And when this landed for me, I was like,

Like a seed of consciousness, like your spirit?

They are beings, or we are beings, that have come from different star systems, star races, star councils.

So I am a Sirian star seed.

They're two Sirian, Sirius stars, I'm sure you probably know that.

And there is, within the dimensions, there are so many different Syrian collectives.

And so my lifetime prior to this was actually a Syrian.

So I've chosen to come to Earth right now at this time to actually help Earth.

And actually, when I talked to the Syrian collective, they have actually told me that I'm an ambassador for the Syrian collective on Earth at this time in this consciousness.

That's amazing.

It's pretty cool.

Yeah, it's very cool.

Yeah, so then the whole my whole teaching is about starseeds awakening to their true potential of who they truly are.

So good.

Yeah, but you know how many people are walking around without any idea and any idea of their

Yeah.

They're true.

Potential and purpose.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, like most, it's really interesting because there's a saying in the beginning we build our, uh, in the beginning we shape our buildings and in the end our buildings shape us.

Oh Lloyd, Lloyd, Lloyd.

So you think about how society works now, we're all being shaped by it as it has become.

But in the very beginning it would have been us shaping it.

And we would have had a lot more free-flowing creativeness.

It just would have been less robotic, less automated and less beaten up.

And I think people are walking around in the paradigm of I'm just

They're stuck in the matrix, so to speak, right?

They're stuck in the matrix, that's right, and they're fully asleep to what's going on around them.

Yeah, totally.

And this is why I think that- Even on a small scale.

Yeah.

The starseeds that are here to actually wake up, like, you think about how many beautiful people you come into contact now that are fucking awake, that are really, truly here doing their mission.

However, like you mentioned before,

Some of them are only playing at like a 10% or a 20%.

And even I know myself, you know, I've only been really on this entrepreneurial journey for the last year and nine months in this exact business.

Yes, I've been a business owner for the last like six, seven years.

However, really truly in the self-development world for the last like year and nine months.

Still now, I'm like, fuck, I'm playing small.

You know, there's so many things that I could do to move the needle to get to another bigger picture.

Like, even you say you're talking about creating the book, and I'm just like, fuck, I need to write a book.

Literally all day today, I've been like, I need to write a book.

And then even now you're talking about it is inspiring me even more.

I'm like, I need to fucking write a book.

Like, this is the piece.

Well, you, you, you leverage certain tools and, and systems and talents and people to scale your message.

Like, like.

I really, truly believe also too, in modeling people and like you model people who are already successful, see what they've done.

And you are some, you are someone who is great to model.

And the more, the more I get to know you, the more I spend time with you, I'm like, fuck, he's done incredible things.

God, you've done some fucking cool stuff, man.

Yeah, it's really interesting.

So cool.

David Goggins talks about, have you read his book Can't Hurt Me, David Goggins?

No, I haven't actually.

Anyway, he talks about the cookie jar, and it's where you look back on your past at the hard things that seemingly were hard and fairly rare that you've done that were challenging to you.

And you can reach into the jar and pull out the cookies anytime you need them when you're in a hard spot.

So anytime you do things that are challenging, you overcome them, you build up and you compound this resilience, you compound this self-belief, you compound this confidence, right?

And you compound skills and knowledge and nuances and thoughts, right?

So if you're compounding those challenging things, you lay it on top of each other.

So eventually when you get to this pinnacle moment, people look at it and go, oh wow, and you go, well, I had to go through all that before I did this.

You know, I say to people and joke around, I had to get my head punched in in a boxing fight to meet someone who could help me do X, Y, Z.

So I really, really appreciate it and I really, really respect it and I really, really value it because of what it took to get there.

It's not like someone just gave me a referral.

You had to play the game of life, right?

I think about it.

I had to have the hard conversations with my dad and tap out of the CFA charter to build a network marketing business, to actually be in the top percent of that, to be on the stage that day, to be presenting, to win Man of the Year, to then be asked by that guy, Gavin, who's my friend,

to go and do his boxing, to then stay with it, finish the fight, get fighter of the series and get his attention, to then hang around him to get an introduction to what could become the book.

Like you think about all the things.

The whole journey of it.

Right?

So every successful endeavor you complete and do will lead to and unlock another box.

Yes!

Did you ever play Crash Bandicoot when you were younger?

Yeah, I did briefly.

It was kind of like, I was younger.

I mean, I was older then.

Oh, you were?

Oh, yes, yes.

I'm an oldie.

There's a few years of difference in it, yes.

So, I always have this saying, like, you know, we're here in potentially a simulation, right?

We've got no fucking idea what's actually going on.

And if we're playing Crash Bandicoot, you'd run, you'd jump on a box, you'd get some apples, and you'd keep leveling up.

And it's just like, how we go through life, how we grow through life, is consistently being able to get the apples, collect them, get on another fucking level, and just continue to evolve.

And it's so cool.

Well, evolution gives you this joy.

And so I think people are very unhappy and anxious and stressed and sad.

Not even sad.

The matrix though.

Yeah.

It's just because they're not, like, they're not fulfilling their purpose.

Well, Tony Robbins says that he talks about the art of happiness.

Yeah.

He says it's the secret to happiness.

And he said the secret to happiness is achievement and fulfillment.

So it's like achieving things that fulfill you.

Yeah.

So simple.

It is, but we're so stuck in these paradigms and these society prisons of what will people think of me if I leave my secure job?

What will they think of me if I don't buy a house straight away?

What will they think of me if I don't have kids?

Everything is this, we're bound by the buildings that I was talking about before.

We're bound by them and they were just like this, whereas I don't think I've been bound by them because I'm a contrarian.

I love doing the opposite of what people do.

Same!

This is probably why we get along.

like to Fuckin go against the grain.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm an irritator.

I like to yeah, I like to disrupt.

Yeah the mind Yeah, I like to because I often think of my mortality and I'm just like we're here for a flippin I'm not a long time but a short time and an interesting time.

Yeah.

Yeah, so I'm gonna I

I'm going to test things and push things.

Yeah, I think so.

And there's obviously people that do it at a greater level, like Andrew Tate does it at a greater level.

And he's worked the game out.

He's like, he's an agitator.

And he agitates him.

That polarity, isn't it?

Yeah.

And he's just, if you probably hang out with him in Pralu,

It's probably it's really chill because he's worked out the game and the game is I'll get more attention if I'm polarizing Yeah, if I get more attention I can leave my message on the earth more and and leave a legacy Yeah but it takes a lot of balls to do that because you get attacked and I think of someone when I think of this and this is not a political podcast or we're not good, but it's feel of I got it's like

I think Donald Trump is one of the toughest mentally resilient people in the world.

Absolutely.

He's got shit on more than any human being I can think of in the past probably 50 years since maybe Martin Luther King or maybe Hitler.

But in a way where he's disrupting.

So like Martin Luther King got assassinated.

The great presidents like JFK got assassinated.

If you start shifting the matrix out of bounds,

Bad shit happens.

And so Andrew Tate talks about that.

Now, I like them because they're tough.

I like them because they don't care what people think.

I respect them for those things.

Yeah, it's resilience.

Yeah, you don't have to love them or, you know, share the same value, but I respect them.

And so when it comes to people stepping out of the box, that's courage.

That's courage!

People don't have the courage.

They don't have the courage to jump on a podcast and talk into it.

They don't have the courage to do a Facebook ad.

Because when you do a Facebook ad, you just get slammed.

You put yourself up on a parapet and you get hammered.

Every day I'll get hate.

A friend of mine said, I said, I prayed a prayer.

I prayed a prayer.

I said, God, please give me more haters.

Because I knew if I had more haters, my message was getting bigger.

And he said, that was a stupid prayer to pray, wasn't it?

Because it happens.

in a good way, you have to understand you're going to get 30, 40% of people not liking you for no reason.

Like people watch this, right?

And they listen to us now.

Half people, all these people love us.

Maybe, maybe not.

But irrespective, you're going to get judged, right?

But you know what?

I always think about this.

Tell me all about your great, great, great, great grandfather.

Go.

Uh, right.

So in the next, call it 200 years, you and I will be forgotten by history.

Yeah.

So who doesn't fucking just make the most of it while you're here?

Exactly.

Yes, guys.

So question your mortality on a daily basis and understand that you are a spiritual being here on an exploration.

You're here to explore.

You're here to enjoy.

You're here to go through all of the emotions of anger, sadness, despair, hopelessness, success, achievement, joy.

It's part of the experience.

Yeah.

And so enjoy it while it's here.

Yeah.

And people get hung up on like, what if this, what if that?

And I was talking to my crew yesterday, I've got this mentorship program, my main program I have that people come through and get mentored in the five steps to millions in my book.

The five key elements of building success in finance and money and in life, right?

And we talk about all sorts of stuff.

And I think it was one of them I said, it might've been on a discovery call I had with one of them when they start.

I said, you know, at the end of the day and at the end of your life, at the end of the game, I said, the king and the pawn go back in the same wooden box.

They do.

So people can hang up on this and that.

I'm like, we're all going in the same wooden box down there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Who cares?

Just make the most of it while you're here.

Go play the game how you want to play the game.

Play the game.

Yeah.

Right?

Nice.

So anyway, there's some of my, some of my backstory.

So Lloyd, tell me, what has been one of your biggest spiritual experiences that you've ever had?

I think Gavin being sent.

He's an evangelist.

What does evangelist mean?

Like someone who spreads the word.

The good word.

Of what?

Of life?

God, life, spiritual gifts.

Evangelist.

An evangelist, yeah.

That's a great word.

So he's a spirit guide for me as a boxer.

And that just suits me.

Do you still box with him now?

I just did a podcast.

I dropped the podcast.

Yeah.

Probably two weeks ago.

Right.

And it's called, it was called, what was the title of it?

40 rounds for my 40th.

Oh, nice.

He's such a good spirit guide.

He pushes me and we've had some adventures together.

And every time he pushes me like the hundred kilometer ultra, the boxing fight, this, that, another one was on my 40th birthday, which is only a month ago.

He said, righto.

Thank you.

For my 40th, for your 40th, you know what's going to happen.

And I know you hang around the boxing community long enough, you know, on your birthday, you do the amount of rounds that your birthday is.

Wow.

So he said, come on, 40 rounds.

I'll get five blokes out there and we'll do 40 rounds for your birthday.

Yeah, right.

So that for me was 40, thankfully, one minute rounds.

In boxing, it's usually two to three minutes, but it's one minute.

Right.

But we're doing 40 consecutive rounds.

So I'll do 40 consecutive rounds.

Yep.

No rest.

Wow.

That's 40 minutes, Nat.

with fresh guys.

So they're coming out fresh.

That would be an understatement.

And on the going down to Gavin's house in the car, you can imagine what that's like.

It's brutal.

Like it's brutal.

I can't even begin to tell you how horrible it is as an experience when you're in there.

Okay.

And I knew this.

Okay.

And then you start to think of ways to tap out and excuses.

And this, yeah, this is like the mental game, right?

Of course it is.

The whole internal dialogue.

Now thankfully I've been, I've been in this game.

I've been, you know, whether it be walking into a big exam or it's going to be walking onto stage for my bodybuilding or it's walking on the stage to talk to 7,000 people, public speaking, or it's to run ultras or boxing, whatever.

I've been in the place where the spotlight's on me and I can fail.

Yeah.

So I know what that feeling's like.

So I know who to talk to trust and talk to distrust.

So on the way down there, I'm like, I'm just not going to listen to that, that, that, that lizard.

That little ego that's trying to keep you small, yes.

The wimp in there, so I'm not going to listen to that.

Now, are you a little bit scared?

Yes, because you're like, this is going to suck.

Yeah.

Right?

It's going to hurt.

And not just like... Did you hurt your face?

But it's not about the body?

Well, good news is, when you get, like, they know you're doing 40 rounds.

So you're not going to get a fresh guy out there and start belting you around and dropping you.

It's not a full contact 40 rounds.

It's a 40 rounds of sparring.

And the idea was not to test you in terms of getting whacked and getting knocked out and getting back up.

It's to test your ability to keep going.

Because you are so tapped out.

The lactic acid is so extreme.

It's poison in your body.

It's poison.

You feel like every part of your body is just cooked.

And all you want to do is quit.

And so I knew that was going to happen because I'd done enough rounds with Gavin to know that's going to suck.

Anyway, so I said, do I want to tell this story on a podcast one day or not?

Do I want to tell my future son or daughter?

Do I want to tell this story or do I want to tap out to this story?

I want to tell a story.

So I'm going to go do it.

I got there, 40 minutes.

At the end of the round, I start throwing up in the round 39.

Just because I'm so cooked.

And he said, keep going, keep going, keep going.

So I finish it.

And I was so proud.

It was an amazing experience.

So, I did a whole podcast episode on it.

Now, what's interesting is that that's the type of guy that he is.

So, he brings out the best man in me.

Because iron sharpens iron.

So, he sharpens mine, I sharpen his iron.

And when you find friends like that, they're very rare.

So, I talked to him yesterday and he's about to go away with his family to live in Europe.

He's that sort of a gnarly dude.

Anyway... How does that make him gnarly, him going to Europe?

Well, with his family of seven.

He's got seven kids.

Seven kids?

Seven kids?

Wife's not included in the seven, she's eight.

No, there's seven children plus his wife, Michelle.

So anyway.

That's gnarly.

Yes, it is.

Cause he's not letting excuses get him down to why he can't move to Europe.

Cause what's the matrix?

Kids got to stay in school, dah, dah, dah, dah.

What if this, what if that?

He doesn't live like that.

He lives like he's going to die one day.

Yeah, cool.

And so I've learned so much from that paradigm.

I've learned a lot from my dad living like that, because my dad lives in present too.

Gavin lives in much like that.

And so I try and take from those men the lessons that I can take from them.

Anyway, Gavin's been a huge spirit of God for me.

My dad has been massively instrumental in my journey too.

And are you guys really close?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

So I think if you want any siblings, yeah, I've got a brother and two sisters.

My brother's a captain in the army.

He's an officer.

He's been to Afghanistan and Iraq and he's right.

And my sister's a nurse and my younger sister drives trucks in the mines.

She's badass, right?

And so he's the type of spirit guy that I needed.

And so when you say to me, have I had a spiritual awakening, all of those things I've done with him have been a spiritual journey because I even went back and found my faith, backed and got re-baptized with my wife.

I walk in.

in a spiritual world more so than ever, because I ask for help from God.

I do, I do, because it's not, I've learned that it's just not my effort.

I thought it was, but I've been given gifts, unfair advantages.

But I'm more in tune with my tuition than I ever was, because I'm like, this happened the other day on Sunday.

Yes, tell everyone this story.

So I went on Sunday, I went to, um, I mean, there's a couple of things that happened, but I'm, I'm about to buy on Friday.

I went to buy my wife a new little puppy.

Cause we lost our puppy, our dog of 15 years, like a few months ago.

And she's gutted because it's like, it's like an accessory for her.

You don't get my wife without a dog.

It's like getting Barbie without the accessory.

I have a dog like this.

He's my life.

Yeah, so he was such a big part of our family that when you go in the house, it's just like empty.

So I'm like, I need to buy a little puppy.

And so I'm like, anyway, so I did that on Friday.

And on Monday, I knew I was going to go figure out, pick him up, bring him back and surprise her.

And if you go to my Instagram, you'll see the whole story of how I surprised her, literally, right?

It's a very cool story.

So cool.

And on the way to this thing on Sunday for her mother's birthday in Mount Tambourine, we go up to the St.

Bernard's Hotel there to have lunch.

And we pull up.

Right?

Now, you would understand like numbers.

What are they called?

Spirit numbers.

Spirit numbers.

Spirit numbers.

Sim, sim, sim, five, five, five, four, four, four.

I get it.

So for our whole journey through our network marketing build, my education, we're always reminded like there's things like 11.11 pops up everywhere.

On the radio, this, when I send messages, I send 11.11, right?

It's the thing because all it did to us was tell us we're on the right path.

And so we kept listening and it was fine.

Everything would work out.

So we get out at St.

Bernard's and she goes to me, look at that.

I looked over at this car and the car had the number one and then the word one, one, one.

And I was like, oh, wow, that's amazing.

She goes, no, no, look next to it.

And there's a different card next to it.

And it had the word one and then the number one.

So I went, one, one, one, one.

And they were like, get out of here.

I was like, what?

Like the two cars parked, now obviously they're family, but it didn't matter.

I was like, that is wild.

That's the most gnarly 1111 I've ever seen.

It's not on the radio, it's there.

What's crazier is when I was in Orlando two months ago delivering a keynote, my biggest keynote to date, 7,000 people.

Well done, well done.

At this big event in Orlando in the USA, and I'm walking on stage, and before I walk on the stage, I'm doing practice, and you're on this big stage, huge, biggest stage I've ever been on, right?

And my wife, Alicia, took a picture of me in the back on the monitor.

What was it, 11 and 11?

3, 3, 3, 3.

On the warm-up, okay?

Come out to the stage, did the talk, and I forget what it was, but there was something that happened on the time that someone shared from it, and as I walked out to the stage, it was 4, 4, 4, 4.

Awesome.

It's connected.

Everything's connected.

I get spiritual awakenings in different ways.

Okay, great.

You know what I mean?

But I'm guided.

Like there's no doubt about it.

There's no doubt about it.

Have you ever done any like past life readings or regressions or anything?

I haven't.

I haven't.

Honestly, it's fascinating.

I had this one past life regression where a lady, she does a therapy called QHHT, Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique.

So basically what she does is she puts you under like a hypnosis where you actually visualize it yourself.

So I went back through a past life progression where I saw myself as an avatar being that had a dragon and I could telepathically connect to this dragon, right?

Now, I really need to do this.

It's so fucking cool.

And the visuals, she actually recorded it.

The visuals are so.

It was so intense, it was like a full movie in my head.

And the audio of it, I remember showing it to my brother and he's like, I can't listen to it because I was crying in it because my dragon got taken away from me.

And I was hysterically howling, crying.

And my brother was like, this is too intense for me to listen to it.

I love you, you're my sister, I can't listen to you cry like that.

And it was so real.

Like this past life progression reading that I had was the most real movie I had ever seen.

And this is like one of my, one of the first things that I did when I came into my spiritual development.

That dragon that was in that past life with me, a shit you not, is the reincarnation of my dog.

So I always say that my dog is a dragon.

And honestly, he's like this tiny little fucking fluffy thing.

And he's just like this little fluffy dog.

Anyway, one of my other friends came over, and he's got this spirit guide who's like this dragon dog, and his spirit guide sits around his neck.

My dog has never, ever in his life, sat around someone's neck.

Anyway, my friend comes and sits down.

My dog, shit you not, comes, jumps, and just sits around one of my friend's shoulders.

And I was just like...

This is fucking wild.

Like the little connections that are everywhere.

So cool.

It's like those little ones, isn't it?

Because it's a little synchronicity pieces.

You have to be opened.

And I think being on a personal development journey brings you to, opens you up from, because

It's like clearing away from the matrix, breaking away from the matrix.

It's allowing ourselves to heal, transform, transmute.

And then it's like, okay, who are we at the essence of it?

Who are we at the core of it, right?

And so Lloyd, I want to ask you, what has been one of the most challenging things that you have done in your whole life?

Like what is one of the biggest pieces that you're like, fuck, this really shaped who I am as a human, as a mentor, as a leader.

I think throwing myself off the Nevis Bungie was really hard because the Nevis Bungie is the biggest in the Southern Hemisphere in just New Zealand in Queenstown.

And why did you decide to do this?

Well, you're just like, fuck it.

Here's a bit of fun.

Well, I'm not like, I'm not like terrified of heights, but I don't like heights.

Okay.

Right.

Like jumping out of a plane.

I got, when I was, I've done that a couple of times.

I bought that for leisure.

I'll jump out of a plane.

Fine.

Right.

I did that once and I was like, this isn't for me.

My ears hurt so much.

It's like, it's okay.

Like I did it a second time because I bought it for Alicia.

So I was like, I'll go up again.

Okay.

But it wasn't like I was like, I mean, it was gnarly because it's like flying through the air.

Yeah.

But it was like, um, for me personally to throw myself off a small ledge on the Nevis, which is this flippin vestibule hanging in the valley.

It's like an eight second free fall bungee.

It's stupidly big.

Go YouTube it.

Nevis bungee.

And I've done lots of challenging things.

So I can't really nail one down.

I've done, if I rattle them off, there's probably 12 gnarly things that I've done that challenged me truthfully, like that most people won't do.

And so the Never Spongy was interesting because what happened to me was it was quite a mental, acute mental battle because

Other battles I've done are like a war of attrition type battles.

Right.

Except for maybe the fight.

Yeah, there have been mainly even businesses like that.

So this one was interesting because it was like in a moment.

It's like, dude, it's just like a moment.

And had you planned to go there for long?

Were you like, oh, we're going to New Zealand, we're going to do a bungee jump.

We were doing a roadshow for our business down in New Zealand.

So we drove from the top of New Zealand down to the bottom.

Cool.

With some friends.

What was your favourite place?

I think Queenstown.

Yeah, it's beautiful, isn't it?

It's amazing.

And Riverton and stuff down the bottom there, beautiful, right?

And Eden's nice.

All the southern parts there, I love, but Queenstown's flipping next level.

You go to Queenstown, it's like you're in Europe.

So we go into Queenstown, and Alicia had booked the Nevis Bungie for us to do prior.

Now, I did this dumb thing.

I try and logically work out how I'm going to do this, because I know it's going to scare the crap out of me, because I don't do heights.

And how I work things out, I try and find out, I try and figure it out logically.

And that's a dumb thing to do with the nervous, because you start looking at YouTube clips of people falling off and like crumbling off.

And your ego gets battered because you're like, will I be able to jump or will I fail and sit up there and puss out and leave?

Like, how do you get off, right?

It's a hard thing.

So wait, can you like paint me a picture, right?

Do you like walk down a plank and then jump off?

Or are you like on?

I'll paint you a picture.

I need a proof picture.

So what happened?

Let me explain what happened.

Go on.

And so, Alicia books it.

It's a week out.

So for a week, I'm watching these videos and my toes are getting clammy at night.

I'm not sleeping.

And the last night in Queenstown, we won this trip with our company.

So they paid for the trip.

We're there.

And I have to do it now.

Like it was whispering my name.

Right.

And so I'm wrestling it so we go it's the day and the night before I wake up in like cold sweats and tell my wife listen I'm out.

Oh, yeah.

Fuck.

I can't sleep.

I'm out.

You go bungee I'll come and hold the coats like a pussy and I'm out right?

Yep

And so, and I went to sleep.

I tapped out mentally.

I literally left.

It was done.

Yeah.

And I was at peace.

Yeah.

Anyway, so, and I know quick things.

Remember, it's part of my identity.

I'm not, I step up to the plate.

So that's why I had this problem.

Right.

Because for all my life, I'd been stepping up to the plate and all of a sudden I've been beaten up.

So.

wake up the next morning, I was at peace.

And my wife goes, so you're not doing it?

I'm like, I'm not doing it.

And her sister goes, okay, come with us anyway.

I'm like, okay, I'll drop you down there.

So a friend of mine was driving us and I'm sitting on the backseat of this van going, you big fucking pussy.

You're getting your, you're letting your wife and her sister go up to this.

And were they super, super cool?

They were like, yeah, they were fairly scared, but you couldn't, they were okay.

Right.

Cause I had to watch all these dumb videos like I did.

So they didn't really know what to expect.

Pretty clever.

Right.

And so they didn't try and coach me.

They know what I'm like, so let's just get it.

Let's just,

Whatever.

See what he's like.

Yeah.

So then I'm sitting in the car in this mental battle going, you big pussy, sending your wife up there and you're holding the coats.

Come on, mate.

So moral of the story, guys, do not watch any YouTube videos if you're going to go bungee jumping.

Never.

But if you're in New Zealand, do this one because it's a huge breakthrough.

Yeah, it's very good.

So we go there, get to the bungee, and here's what happened.

Walk in, and I said, look, I'm happy to bungee, but this is like the world's biggest in the Southern Hemisphere.

Can we start off like the bridge bungee or the ledge bungee?

There's three bungees in New Zealand.

So the ledge is where you just jump off a ledge.

It's a slinky.

I was like, do that!

Let's do that!

And anyways, and he said, listen, man, why don't you want to do the Nevis?

I said, because, he goes, what do you want to do?

I said, the ledge.

He goes, no, no, no.

Statistically, more people back out of the ledge than the Nevis.

He just flipped me.

I was like, I'm on.

I'm in.

It's like logically sorted my shit out statistically.

So the other one's shorter, and then the one's longer.

He just said, you're... He said more people back out of the ledge than the Nevis.

So he statistically just shifted me.

So I'm like, okay, I'm in.

And I just, in an instant.

Now whether that's true or not, I don't know, because maybe he's trained.

Maybe he's trained to save you.

Because he knows he wants to give me a break.

He knows the value I'll get is up there in facing my fears.

So he's there to help me.

Now the spirit guy!

Yes!

We love the Bungie guy!

The guy behind the desk is a shift in me.

Oh, we love you, thank you.

So we get on this bus, and you go up this long hill, because it's the top of this hill, and they're playing in the bus.

I'm on a highway to hell.

Over and over.

I look to my left.

I look to my left.

I look to my left.

And there's this Asian girl.

And she's flippin' no joke, asleep.

She's asleep!

On the bus!

I'm like, help!

And she's asleep!

I'm like...

How could you sleep at a time like this?

We're on a highway to hell, guys!

How could we sleep?

We got there, we get there, we get the harnesses on.

You know when you get the harness on and your heart starts beating.

Anyway, they take you to the edge and they put you in this basket.

And the basket goes across... How big is the basket?

It's quite big because it fits about five or six of us in there.

And you're in your harness and you're in this basket and you clip on.

And they move you on this line to the middle of this valley where you're hanging on this vestibule, where you're going to.

It's hanging in the middle of this big ravine.

Wow.

And so they take on this basket.

That must be nice.

Oh, you were probably too stressed to take in the beauty.

You're in the basket.

It's deftly quiet.

It's now serious.

You can't come back.

OK.

And you're watching people jump off.

Oh my god.

That sounds like fucking torture.

Fuck that.

And I'm like, and he said, all right, we have to go by weight.

Who's the heaviest?

Fuck!

I'm going to go first.

Of course.

My heart is pounding, my hands are sweaty just listening to this story.

So I get there and you get off to the vestibule and the floor is perspex clear.

You can see through the floor and you get in and you go to and so you're lining up at the back and you're watching people go off and then they call your name and the first stage of it is to go and sit in what's called the dentist chair.

So you sit in the dentist chair.

Why do they call it a dentist chair?

Because it looks like a dentist chair.

It goes back like a dentist chair.

And they hook your feet up, and they put your harness on, and you're in.

You can't back.

And the dentist chair hangs over the ledge.

Oh my god.

So you're just like, your head's like, legging.

And my wife and her sister are sitting there.

I'm like, it's time for me.

I'm on the highway to hell.

Go with God, it's time.

So you shuffle forward, and we all made a pact.

When they say, Bungie, we're jumping, right?

So I get to this little ledge, and you've got to walk to this square plate of steel.

And it's just sitting there.

And below you is so big.

And you've got to jump off this flippin' thing, right?

Right.

And they go, all right.

Now, you ready?

I'm like, all right.

Well, I'm ready for what?

Like, they go, all right.

I'm born ready, mate.

Let's go.

They go to this.

They go, OK.

Look up at the camera and say, hello.

OK, look straight ahead.

And 3, 2, 1, Bungie.

And you're off.

And you're off.

And I just threw myself off.

Just committed, like just committed, right?

And I bungee off and I'll finish and they pull you back up.

You don't fly off the bungee.

Wait, do you just fling and then do you hang a couple of times?

You fall, you eight second free fall.

You have time to scream twice.

As in, you scream your lungs out.

And scream again, okay, and you get to the bottom and it slinks you up You know what's going on and then once and then you're up a little bit and then you're done and then it drops you but then they slowly bring you back up and you've got to flick your harness and Pivot back up and sit in it like a swing and it takes you all the way back up and then to swing you in and then my wife did hers and

Oh my God.

And what was it like?

What did you feel after you bungee'd?

I was just like, like it was a breakthrough moment, right?

Cause I had overcome fear, courage, like.

All of it.

Every layer.

In a morning.

So I'm like on a high.

Now I think of that because mentally I had never like quit that and gone back.

But I think about things like my CFA charter exam for six hours, a whole year to study and failing it twice.

Are you kidding me?

Like and step back up.

Like that was hard.

Yeah.

Fighting was hard.

Bodybuilding was hard.

Building two businesses to seven figures was hard, right?

This hard shit, like lots of stuff I've done is hard.

But I think it's like, do you want to tell the story about this or not?

So what's cool about this podcast with you, when you ask those questions, I have story after story after story of shit that I've done that's hard that I'm super proud of.

And I think for people who are listening to this, if you want to build self-confidence where you find it is not in like, um,

Your comforts aren't.

You find it on the hills, like finishing that 100 kilometre ultra marathon.

There was 120 people started, 350 tickets sold.

Think about that.

So most people don't make it to the start line of life, let alone get in the race.

Then 50% of people didn't finish that.

And so like, I think of those things and they're the things that will build self-confidence, self-belief.

And that's where you can walk in.

That's why when I walk into a place like this with you and you say the cameras are on and what do you want to edit out?

I'm like,

Fucking who cares?

Let's just go.

I feel like I've stared death in the eye.

Let's go.

I don't care.

So I think what happens in these moments, and also doing personal development with Preston and Alexi.

Yeah, nice.

I did this with Preston Smiles like years ago, and they actually challenged me on an emotional side of things.

And I remember being in a room of 80 people with bawling my eyes out.

And that was also very challenging for me.

Because it's vulnerable, right?

Totally.

The masculine part of masculine is to be vulnerable.

Correct.

So when I did that keynote in Orlando,

That was very challenging because I was only told five days before the event that I'm going to deliver it because someone pulled out.

So to build a speech.

That's great because you probably didn't have time.

Totally.

Do you feel if you have more time, you've got more time to worry or fear?

Yes.

Like the bungee.

Bungee, fuck yeah.

So I go up there and I had to cry in this talk.

And you had to or you got to?

I didn't have to, but I chose to do it.

And it was like this pinnacle moment of speaking.

And because I'd done that work prior, I could tap into that.

Wow.

Oh my God.

So what you're telling me is if I want to speak on stage in front of 7,000 people, I should go and do the bungee jump in New Zealand.

All right.

Noted.

Do all those things.

But I think it all makes a difference, right?

Well, I mean, it's all pieces are like leveraging one on top of the other so that it builds you to that big ultimate courage codes.

Holy fuck.

I teach a lot about courage codes that, you know, for you as an entrepreneur to get to the next level, like you need to push yourself into a point of, I call it the shit my pants zone.

Where can you go and find shit your pants zone even more and go through it?

Go through, go through, go through, go through.

And so,

Yeah, Steve Farber calls that, he told me that he called the oh shit moments.

Oh shit moments, nice.

I like to say shit my pants, then I'm like, do you need a diaper?

But you look at all the things I've spoken about, that's all shit my pants moments.

Fucking oath, man.

Live your life by shit your pants moments.

Very proud of you.

Well, someone said to me once, I love this quote, they say, life begins on the wire.

Everything else is just waiting around.

Yes, right.

So life begins on the tightrope.

So like that's when you're shitting your pants.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's where you're living the most.

Yeah, absolutely.

Everything else is waiting around for those moments.

Yeah.

And if you're lucky, you can get one good one a year.

Yeah.

You know, a couple good ones a year.

Yeah.

We'll help you.

I love this.

And I just wanted to go back to, so you're about to tell me as well with Alicia, when you finished the bungee, then you had to watch your wife bungee.

What was it like witnessing her bungee?

Well, I knew that she was going to get a big breakthrough from it.

So I was really excited for her.

And when I came up and said, you're going to love this.

So I could fill her with some self-belief.

That's nice.

You're beautiful.

So she jumps off, but the funny thing happened to her.

You'll laugh at this because she didn't watch all the YouTube clips.

She didn't realize how hard you had to pull the thing at the bottom to flick yourself up.

And thankfully, that's one thing I did get out of the YouTube clips.

So because she didn't watch them, she didn't see, and she couldn't flip it.

So she got pulled up upside down, and it shot her eyeball out and gave her a red eyeball of the blood.

Oh my, oh my, oh my god.

She's spitting.

That's hectic!

And she's spitting going, get me off of this thing!

Did they not tell you, did they not tell you to fucking,

You have to watch the clips to see how hard they pull it.

Wow.

And if you're not strong enough, does that not do it?

Jesus.

It was actually like when I was coming down.

Poor thing.

Poor thing.

But she's tough.

She's great.

She did the ultra with me.

Right.

She did the bungee with me.

Good on her.

She's tough, man.

She's been on stage.

I've seen her.

She has courage.

You've seen her fully evolve as well.

Courage.

She's got courage.

Woman.

She's impressive.

When I bungee jumped.

Oh, sorry.

When I, what's it called?

Out of the plane?

Skydive?

Yes!

When I skydived, my ears hurt so fucking much, I couldn't think about anything else.

Did your goggles come off or anything?

Nah, nah.

My ears were in so much pain.

Oh, get me out of this.

I was like, fuck, I need to leave.

But I used to, when I used to travel actually, like going up and down in a plane, my ears used to like ache, like fully ache.

And then I realised that actually it was like, I reckon it was just my unconscious mind processing like that I was, that was my fear.

Like my body was like,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, just like get me out of it.

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Oh, it permeates in different ways, right?

It does.

So Lloyd, tell me, what is one piece of advice that you would give to an entrepreneur at the start of their journey?

To wrap it up, to bring it home.

Alright, here's what I'll give.

This is the advice I'll give.

The entrepreneurial journey seems sexy and it is because it's cool because you're free-flowing and you've got autonomy.

Everything is wonderful about it but it's like the ultra.

Some people don't get to the start line, some people don't finish, right?

And so, be prepared for it to be like that but here's my advice.

Do not go into it expecting things to work out.

Go into it expecting everything to break and you begin the entrepreneurship journey as a fixer.

Like you have to approach it that everything's gonna not work out pretty much and you have to, you'll find it broken.

You'll find the entrepreneurship journey when you start it, everything's broken.

It's all in pieces.

And you have to go about problem solving each piece together and you'll have setbacks.

But as you build it, you'll continue to fix problems.

And so the whole idea of scaling your journey up is that you will always be a problem solver.

All to the very top.

But that's great because it makes it an infinite game.

And what's great about that is that it's better than being in a job where you don't have to, you can't fix problems to the top to an extent.

You are dictated by many things outside your control in that realm.

And it doesn't bring out the best in you.

So entrepreneurship is a personal development journey with a compensation plan attached.

Oof, I love that, I love that.

Thank you so much Lloyd, I really so appreciate you being here.

So Lloyd, if people want to get to know you, learn more about you, how can they find you?

They can find me on Instagram, at Lloyd James Ross.

Double L on the first name, at Lloyd James Ross.

Hit me on Instagram, follow me, talk to me.

Do all the things.

Yeah, do all the things.

You know, and if you want to learn about like, I know this is, we've spoken about lots of stuff here.

We did.

But typically, I usually get on podcast, talk about money and investing and stuff.

If you want to learn that stuff, go to my free podcast, Money Grows on Trees.

You'll love it.

Dive into it.

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