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This episode of Barbecue Nation features a captivating dialogue with Tina Cannon from Tina Cannon Cooks, a distinguished figure in the culinary world. We delve into an array of topics, including Cannon’s culinary inspirations and her experiences as a chef who has graced platforms such as Netflix and the Food Channel. A notable discussion arises regarding the impact of cooking on learning and cognitive development, wherein Cannon articulates the intrinsic relationship between culinary practices and mathematical principles. Additionally, we explore her reflections on historical dining preferences, revealing personal anecdotes that illuminate her culinary journey and preferences. As we navigate through these engaging conversations, we also express our gratitude to our sponsors, particularly Painted Hills Natural Beef, emphasizing our commitment to quality in the culinary arts.
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Welcome to Barbecue Nation with JT and Leanne.
Speaker A:After hours, the conversation that continued after the show was done.
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Speaker A:All righty, tighty DIYs, here we go.
Speaker A:It's after hours here on Barbecue Nation.
Speaker A:I'm JT along with Ms. Whippen.
Speaker A:We'd like to thank the folks at Painted Hills Natural beef and also Ms. Whippen and her pig powder there today, we've got in the hot seat, so to speak, Tina Cannon from Tina Cannon Cooks.
Speaker A:You've seen her on Netflix and the Food Channel and Discovery and all those.
Speaker A:They're all second to Barbecue Nation.
Speaker A:But we.
Speaker A:We do what we can here.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:We'll start with something easy.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:If you could cook and then cook.
Speaker A:Cook four and then dine with a historical figure, who would it be and what would be on the menu?
Speaker B:A historical figure.
Speaker A:They can be alive or dead.
Speaker A:We can go dig them up.
Speaker A:It doesn't matter.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, you know, historical to some people may be, you know, different.
Speaker B:Can it be because I love Elvis.
Speaker C:That can be Elvis.
Speaker B:Okay, let's go with Elvis, because, you know, we Southerners, we love our Elvis.
Speaker B:And I would fix him actually a dessert, too.
Speaker B:Besides, I would do pulled pork ribs, homemade biscuits, and I would do.
Speaker B:I would actually make a dessert because I do have a bread pudding that's banana, peanut butter, chocolate, and he would love it.
Speaker B:And you know another reason Elvis is because he's non controversial.
Speaker A:Yeah, there you go.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker C:Now, that's a good person.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay, Tina, what's the worst, absolute worst thing you've ever eaten?
Speaker B:Oh, haggis.
Speaker C:That used to be one of our questions.
Speaker C:Have you ever eaten haggis?
Speaker A:Oh, really?
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:It used to be a question.
Speaker B:I didn't even know that's what's bad.
Speaker B:I didn't even know because I wouldn't have tasted it if I would have known.
Speaker B:And I've actually had it more than once, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker B:Do you know you can get it in a can?
Speaker C:Yeah, I. I just can't even.
Speaker A:We use it for landfill up here.
Speaker A:But anyway, it's.
Speaker B:You can use it for crab bait, Leanne.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah, you could.
Speaker C:Yeah, you could.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Would you recommend a career like yours to somebody that's just starting out?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Okay, I would.
Speaker B:Because if you love It.
Speaker B:You know, when you.
Speaker B:If you do.
Speaker B:You know that old saying, if you do what you love, you never work.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's true.
Speaker B:I mean, I come home tired, sweaty kitchen.
Speaker B:I mean, I have days in the kitchen.
Speaker B:It's 105 degrees, you know, but I feel.
Speaker B:Still when I get home, I don't feel.
Speaker B:Other than being tired, but I feel that I've done something for other people and not just myself.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And that makes me feel good.
Speaker B:So if you love something, do it.
Speaker A:Have you ever come across a food item that you just could not master to cook?
Speaker A:It can be baking, barbecuing, you know, whatever you want, sous vide.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker B:Oh, you know, I want to contest sous viden turkey.
Speaker B:So I can't say that.
Speaker B:I would probably say tongue.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just can't.
Speaker B:You know, maybe I just can't get past the peeling and all that.
Speaker B:It's either that and liver.
Speaker B:It's a tie because I either get it pasty, I don't like it, or it's not done enough, and it's tough.
Speaker B:So any liver?
Speaker B:Chicken just put liver.
Speaker B:That's any liver.
Speaker B:Anybody's liver.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:If you could.
Speaker A:If you could teach a politician to barbecue or cook, who would it be?
Speaker A:And you're kind of in the hot seat down there in Georgia right now with all your politicians.
Speaker B:Yes, we are.
Speaker B:You know, I think I would attempt to teach Trump how to barbecue, because I can assure you he's probably never even boiled an egg.
Speaker A:I probably thought, I bet you're right.
Speaker B:And that's not a political statement, whether you like him or not, because I could walk you out to my pool right now, and I have two floats in my pool.
Speaker B:One is of one politician, and one is another, and I make them fight in the pool all the time.
Speaker A:If we declared you supreme ruler of barbecue for one week, just one week, what would you, as supreme ruler, decree?
Speaker B:That everybody has to eat barbecue every Saturday.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:That's the first time.
Speaker B:I won't take the fish Friday away from some people.
Speaker B:So we'll pick Saturday.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:What was the absolute best day in your life so far?
Speaker B:Well, I could pick one, but it better be when I got married, right?
Speaker A:That's up to you.
Speaker A:It's up to you.
Speaker B:You know, I've had.
Speaker B:You know, I've had so many, like, really great days, and I don't think.
Speaker B:I honestly don't think I could pick one, because one would be like a barbecue event.
Speaker B:You know, what was the best day?
Speaker B:And then and that would probably be world food or winning the Georgia championship.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, another one would be like, when we bought this house, because it's like a compound here, you know, there.
Speaker B:I could not pick one.
Speaker B:Okay, that's.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker B:If you had a lot of good ones.
Speaker A:Well, good.
Speaker A:Good.
Speaker C:Very good.
Speaker A:What's your absolute.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:What's your absolute.
Speaker A:Oh, oh.
Speaker A:Turn on the lights.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Did that help or does that work?
Speaker C:No, that's good.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker C:It's good.
Speaker A:It's fine.
Speaker A:What is.
Speaker A:What is your absolute, Absolute.
Speaker A:What's your absolute favorite non barbecue food or dish?
Speaker B:Veal with morels.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:I love morels.
Speaker C:I like going morel hunting.
Speaker B:I can't find any around my house.
Speaker B:I look and look.
Speaker B:I find, like, other types of mushrooms, like chanterelles grow like crazy here and a few other, you know, lions.
Speaker B:But some other ones grow hens and chicks.
Speaker B:I'm trying to think of some of the other ones, but I can never find morels.
Speaker B:That would be like, a dream of mine to go.
Speaker C:It's amazing.
Speaker C:I've done it a lot.
Speaker A:Well, when you come up to Oregon, even though we have, like, zero time in the production schedule, Leanne will take you mushroom hunting.
Speaker C:I would love it if you could.
Speaker A:Erase one mistake from history.
Speaker A:History.
Speaker A:Not just yours, Tina, but any history.
Speaker A:What would it be and why?
Speaker B:Slavery.
Speaker B:And it shouldn't of any.
Speaker B:Because it's been slavery of any kind, because it's been through the ages.
Speaker B:You know, you can go back to ancient times, so it'd be slavery.
Speaker B:Just.
Speaker B:God, there's not really a reason other than it just shouldn't happen.
Speaker B:Creates too many problems for the future.
Speaker A:That and working for a major media company.
Speaker A:Those two things should be changed.
Speaker A:Do you remember the first thing you ever got in trouble for as a kid?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Do tell.
Speaker B:I lied to my parents about being somewhere that I was not.
Speaker A:And you got big trouble.
Speaker B:But I wasn't doing anything bad.
Speaker B:My parents were very strict, and I got off the bus at another person's house because they had got a new stereo system, and I wanted to see it, and I didn't tell them.
Speaker B:And then their parents drove me home, and my parents got home early from work, and they knew then.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:Got it.
Speaker A:What is the biggest change that you think should be made mandatory in food advertising?
Speaker B:Oh, God.
Speaker B:This one's easy.
Speaker B:When you watch a commercial and they show a picture, a pizza or burger or whatever, looking like that.
Speaker B:It needs to look like that.
Speaker C:All right, I'm Gonna jump in here.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker C:So I just did a job for Popeyes, all right.
Speaker C:And it was with my sister, who's a food stylist in la.
Speaker C:And I do want to say that I learned a lot, but I was so intrigued by the quality of the food that Popeyes has.
Speaker C:And yes, we had to make a million pieces of this or that.
Speaker C:So it did look perfect.
Speaker C:But it's advertising, so you have to make it look good.
Speaker C:But I will tell you that the actual ingredients by law in food styling has to be the exact amount that's served.
Speaker C:So they can't make it a four ounce burger.
Speaker C:I mean, you know, a six ounce, if it's a quarter pounder.
Speaker C:So they do have to use the ingredients, at least the quantity, but it's how.
Speaker C:What they do is they push the food forward so it looks like it's bigger and whatever.
Speaker C:So there's a lawsuit going on right now with Taco Bell, even with somebody claiming that.
Speaker C:Exactly what you said, that they bought Taco Bell food because of what the commercial said it was going to look like.
Speaker C:And it didn't look at all like that.
Speaker C:Well, you have to think about when people are picking up their takeout food and it's wrapped up in a piece of paper.
Speaker C:It's like in competition, you preserve your garnish the meat.
Speaker C:You make sure it's in the box perfectly.
Speaker C:And it's.
Speaker C:It's a what?
Speaker C:You can't do that when you're serving the masses.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:And you certainly can't make the food on television look bad.
Speaker B:No, I think it needs to be the.
Speaker B:Like, I hate when I go get pizza and I love bell pepper on pizza.
Speaker B:I get pepperoni, onion, mushroom, bell pepper.
Speaker B:And they put like on the picture, it'll have like these nice round, you know, wheels where they slice the bell pepper and then it's got like small wilted crap just thrown on there.
Speaker B:And I'm so disappointed.
Speaker C:I agree.
Speaker B:More like that.
Speaker B:I mean, I've had some food styling classes years ago and, you know, I do realize that, you know, you have to be realistic, but it's like.
Speaker B:And a lot of that is more of employee based.
Speaker B:They don't.
Speaker B:If they don't care about their job, you know, they might not make it look as good as it should.
Speaker B:Yeah, right.
Speaker A:Well, Taco Bell's only got like four ingredients actually in their whole menu.
Speaker B:They put it all in and make something different.
Speaker A:Yeah, they just wrap it up differently and put sauce on it or something.
Speaker C:And name it something Crazy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Biggest thing that Taco Bell ever did that really ticked me off was they got rid of their enchirito.
Speaker A:If you remember the incheritos, they were a burrito in a little container with a lot of sauce on it, and they had four sliced olives across the top and cheese.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:Well, I. I'm ancient, so it's okay.
Speaker A:But they took that off the menu because it took too long to make.
Speaker A:It's just ground beef wrapped in a.
Speaker A:In a tortilla with sauce on it and some cheese and the, you know, four little slices of olives on there.
Speaker C:Once in a while, olive placement that sets them back in time, I guess.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe the cost of olives.
Speaker A:Maybe the cost of olives has gone up.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:That's folded up.
Speaker B:The crunch wrap or something.
Speaker C:Yeah, the crunch wrap.
Speaker B:I haven't had one.
Speaker B:I don't even know if they still have it, but it seems like that would be a time.
Speaker C:I actually.
Speaker C:Yeah, I've actually done those on a flat top because you can make them at home and improvise with different ingredients.
Speaker C:I mean, it really is.
Speaker C:It's a great.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a great dish.
Speaker C:It really is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I have no problem with it.
Speaker A:I just mad that they.
Speaker A:Those olives did it.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:What is something your spouse was right about, but you still think they were wrong?
Speaker B:I still think he was wrong, but.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, boy, I hope when he listens to this, this is going to get me in trouble.
Speaker B:Probably.
Speaker B:He was probably.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker C:That was hard for her to say.
Speaker B:No, he was probably right.
Speaker B:When we bought this.
Speaker B:What we grew up, we joke and call this place a compound where I am.
Speaker B:He was probably right.
Speaker B:That we probably should not have.
Speaker B:It's been a little bit of a money pit.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:That's what happens.
Speaker A:Well, any.
Speaker A:Any used house turns into that.
Speaker B:Yeah, well, yeah, that.
Speaker A:That happens.
Speaker B:The she shed in this second kitchen wasn't.
Speaker B:You know, I guess we didn't have to do that.
Speaker C:Right.
Speaker C:So it's your money pit.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:No, you.
Speaker A:He didn't have to do that if he didn't want to sleep inside.
Speaker A:So there you go.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I was trying to put it in nicely.
Speaker B:I' he was right.
Speaker B:We probably just should have stayed where we lived in our golf cart community in Peachtree City, Georgia.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:You said the word golf cart.
Speaker A:I'm in.
Speaker A:If you could instantly become a master of a musical instrument, which One would it be?
Speaker B:And why piano?
Speaker B:And because I took lessons when I was quite young.
Speaker B:My mom made me go, and I never mastered it.
Speaker B:And I just regret that now.
Speaker A:I can still play my scales.
Speaker B:I can't anything.
Speaker A:I can play the scales.
Speaker B:The only musical instrument I can play is the radio.
Speaker A:The radio?
Speaker B:Is that what you said?
Speaker B:Scan.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:What is the absolute hardest thing you've ever done?
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:I would say that.
Speaker B:I have to say the.
Speaker B:The Netflix show.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:It was strenuous.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:105 degrees.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:What is one thing you miss about your time in.
Speaker A:In college or school or, you know, whatever?
Speaker A:Because I don't know, we never know exactly people's entire life experiences.
Speaker A:But is there something you miss about that time?
Speaker B:Not having to worry about money.
Speaker A:Huh?
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That's a thing about it.
Speaker A:What's the first thing you do when you get up in the morning?
Speaker B:After I pee.
Speaker B:Yeah, we're just keeping it real.
Speaker B:Make me a cup of coffee.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I literally go in and push the button.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:Seven days a week.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Name one book that should be mandatory reading for everybody.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker B:You know, I don't have a particular author.
Speaker B:I think everybody should read a funny book at least once a month.
Speaker B:A comedy type book to get away from all the hustle that you can laugh, you know.
Speaker A:Okay, so here's one we haven't got to yet on any of the shows.
Speaker A:And I wanted to ask Meathead this last week, but, you know, after the second day of 24 hours in a row running on those shows like we do with him, I got tired and I had.
Speaker A:I had to send a Western Union telegram to Leanne to wake her up down there.
Speaker A:But do you think.
Speaker A:Do you think cooking could help kids who have trouble learning math?
Speaker B:Yes, 100%, because I don't measure, but I am good at guesstimating.
Speaker B:And I think, how many times do you really need to know exactly?
Speaker A:Well, if you're baking.
Speaker A:If you're baking.
Speaker B:Baking.
Speaker B:Well, we didn't say baking.
Speaker B:We said good.
Speaker A:I said cooking.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:But it also.
Speaker B:It teaches you some structure.
Speaker B:And structure is part of math, right?
Speaker B:Everything is structured.
Speaker B:So I think 100%.
Speaker B:That's why, like, when I volunteer at the culinary school, you know, we do the basic knife skills and things like that.
Speaker B:But, you know, my technique is very different than some others.
Speaker B:You know, they're like book, book, book, book.
Speaker B:And I find when I do a class, we make it a little more fun and more Lighthearted.
Speaker B:And they don't really realize that they're learning ratios.
Speaker B:Cooking is ratios.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Whether it's the heat, the fuel, the seasoning.
Speaker B:So I think do actually doing it helps people rationalize, like, without realizing what they're learning.
Speaker A:Okay, all right.
Speaker B:That's my opinion.
Speaker B:And I'm not a teacher, so that's fine.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker B:That's my opinion.
Speaker A:What's your favorite classic movie?
Speaker A:Leanne's is the Cheyenne Social Club.
Speaker A:Mine is Casablanca.
Speaker C:Oh, it is.
Speaker C:I didn't say the shots.
Speaker B:What is it?
Speaker B:What is it, Lynn?
Speaker C:It's the.
Speaker C:The Christmas one.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker A:Just wanted to see if you were paying attention.
Speaker B:Which one?
Speaker C:What's it called?
Speaker C:Now it escapes me.
Speaker A:Miracle on 34th Street.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker B:A Christmas.
Speaker B:No, it's Christmas gets his angel wing.
Speaker B:Mine would have to be Gone with the Wind, of course, because.
Speaker B:And I do this movie, I don't know if it's considered classic anymore, but I think it's one of the best movies out there.
Speaker B:Is for scum.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I don't know if that's considered, you know, classic.
Speaker C:It is a classic.
Speaker B:It's not an old history.
Speaker B:And I realized how much of that I had lived through.
Speaker B:I could really relate to every part of that.
Speaker B:And my mom can relate to every part of that.
Speaker B:You know, I love that movie and Gone with the Wind because a lot of it was filmed right here.
Speaker B:And where I am in the Gone with Wind museum is like not too far from me.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:40 minutes.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:If you were an animal, what animal would you be?
Speaker B:My dog.
Speaker B:My dog.
Speaker C:Spoiled.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yes, he is.
Speaker B:My little Cody.
Speaker A:A couple more here and.
Speaker A:Oh, worst concert you ever attended.
Speaker B:Oh, God, I hate to say this because I love his music, but I'd have to say Merle Haggard because he was so smashed he couldn't perform.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:I mean, I hate to say that because I love.
Speaker C:He's not the only one.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Riding skill.
Speaker B:But I went and you spend that much money and for somebody cannot even perform and they fall off stool and they have to bring the warm up band back out.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'd have to say that was it.
Speaker A:At least when I saw him, he got to sit down on the hay bale.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:He fell right off the stool.
Speaker A:He couldn't stand up anymore.
Speaker A:All right, all right.
Speaker A:If you were on death row, what would your last meal be?
Speaker A:Because this is the last question.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Veal and morels.
Speaker C:Yeah, There we go.
Speaker B:With a nice demiglay sauce.
Speaker A:Leanne will be in the cell next year going.
Speaker A:Give me some of that.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:We'll be passing it around.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:There you go.
Speaker A:Tina Cannon, you've been a delight.
Speaker A:Thank you for putting up with us.
Speaker B:Thank you for having me, y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:Yeah, we.
Speaker A:We try to have fun on this show.
Speaker C:And good luck at the World Food Championships.
Speaker B:I'll see you there.
Speaker C:I will see you there.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:That's going to be it this week for after hours here on Barbecue Nation.
Speaker A:I'm JT and Ms. Whippen is right there and Ms. Cannon is.
Speaker A:And we're all out of here.
Speaker A:So take care.
Speaker A:Have a good week.
Speaker A:And remember our motto, turn it, don't burn it.
Speaker A:Bye.
Speaker A:Bye.
