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Episode 25630th April 2024 • Relationships Rule • Janice Porter
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In this episode, we're shaking up the business game with Kristen Kramer, the founder of Bold Moves Boss and an expert coach in revolutionizing business growth. Kristen's "anti-cookie-cutter" philosophy sets her apart, offering tailored solutions for each unique business.

Join us as we delve into the challenges of delegation, the emotional aspects of business autonomy, and the different stages of growth. Kristen also shares insights into the application of AI in business, emphasizing the importance of finding the right technology fit.

Tune in for an engaging conversation about business, technology, and human behavior with Kristen Kramer.

You can reach at: kristen@boldmovesboss.com

Phone: 816.616.5150

Website: https://boldmovesboss.com/

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Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/BoldMovesBoss

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristenkramer/


A little about me: 

I began my career as a teacher, was a corporate trainer for many years, and then found my niche training & supporting business owners, entrepreneurs & sales professionals to network at a world-class level. My passion is working with motivated people, who are coachable and who want to build their businesses through relationship marketing and networking (online & offline). I help my clients create retention strategies, grow through referrals, and create loyal customers by staying connected. 


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Janice Porter:

Hi, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode

Janice Porter:

of relationships rule. My guest this week is Kristin Kramer, who

Janice Porter:

is the founder of bold moves boss. She is an expert coach and

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consultant specializing in the convergence of time tech and

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talent to revolutionize the way entrepreneurs approach business

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growth. And boy, there's questions I have for her for me,

Janice Porter:

because I do everything myself. And really, I don't need to do

Janice Porter:

everything myself. And I think Kristen is the girl to ask

Janice Porter:

because she has a lot of answers. Her routes are in a

Janice Porter:

virtual assistant agency, she owned one or is does still own

Janice Porter:

one. I'm not sure we'll get into that. And she what I love is I

Janice Porter:

saw this on your I think it was on your website, Kristen, that

Janice Porter:

you are the anti cookie cutter consultant. And so I want to

Janice Porter:

start there. So first of all, welcome. Welcome to the show.

Kristen Kramer:

Yeah, thank you, Janice, I am so excited to be on

Kristen Kramer:

your show today and hope that you know your listeners get a

Kristen Kramer:

lot out of this and just appreciate the opportunity.

Kristen Kramer:

Yeah, so anti cookie cutter. And this, this is really a core

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philosophy of philosophy of mine that I have followed since I

Kristen Kramer:

started my business in 2011. But it really, really bubbled up to

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the surface and become became a center point for me sort of a

Kristen Kramer:

focal point in the last three years or so. Because I've

Kristen Kramer:

watched a lot of programs that have just amazing marketing. I

Kristen Kramer:

mean, I'm jealous of the marketing. And you know, they

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give you this, you know, process that you're supposed to follow,

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right the framework, and they promise, big results, right, big

Kristen Kramer:

money for this big money, big money. And I've been both on the

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receiving end of it and witness to other entrepreneurs sort of

Kristen Kramer:

experiencing this, right. So, you know, what happens is, we

Kristen Kramer:

get into these programs that are a cookie cutter solution, they

Kristen Kramer:

probably worked really well for the person that selling them,

Kristen Kramer:

because, you know, they're selling them, they wouldn't sell

Kristen Kramer:

something they didn't think worked, right. But what I see

Kristen Kramer:

is, more often than not those frameworks that are just sort of

Kristen Kramer:

a one size fits all approach, don't deliver results. So people

Kristen Kramer:

get into these programs, and myself included, I've been there

Kristen Kramer:

done that. And you're not getting the results that they

Kristen Kramer:

say you're supposed to be getting. And maybe you're brave

Kristen Kramer:

enough to share that with the person running the program, like

Kristen Kramer:

hey, you know, I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but something

Kristen Kramer:

right, because I'm not getting the results that you said I

Kristen Kramer:

would get. And the way they approach that, or at least that

Kristen Kramer:

I've been on the receiving end and watched with other people is

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that you're the problem. Like if you're not getting results in

Kristen Kramer:

this program, it's because you're not doing the work. And

Kristen Kramer:

you are the problem, not my program, you. And one, it's

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really frustrating when you're on the receiving end of that,

Kristen Kramer:

too. It's just soul crushing for me to watch people experience

Kristen Kramer:

it. And three, it's not you, there's nothing wrong with you.

Kristen Kramer:

What's wrong is that cookie cutter solutions don't work.

Kristen Kramer:

They just don't work. You are unique. The way you work in your

Kristen Kramer:

business is unique. Your Business therefore is unique.

Kristen Kramer:

You don't extrapolate it out like and so what we need to do

Kristen Kramer:

is look at how, how are you functioning in your business?

Kristen Kramer:

Right? How do you make decisions and process information? And

Kristen Kramer:

then come up with a framework customized to your needs and the

Kristen Kramer:

way you work and think and do that is going to help you grow

Kristen Kramer:

your business? Your way?

Janice Porter:

Yeah, it sounds like oh, wait, she's listening

Janice Porter:

to me. She's going to listen to you know how I do something. So

Janice Porter:

I totally understand the the example you just gave where

Janice Porter:

someone will say, you know, do this three day challenge. And,

Janice Porter:

you know, it'll be you know, what a $50,000 challenge that

Janice Porter:

you know, you're going to get there. Well, the real question

Janice Porter:

is, did they do it the first time around? Probably not. But

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they don't say that. They just say this is what to expect and

Janice Porter:

it doesn't always happen. And I think that I totally. I hear

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lots of people that spend a lot of money on these kinds of

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courses. And very few have that same success. It's very true.

Janice Porter:

But the other the complete other end of that is being able to

Janice Porter:

listen Be a good listener. So So when someone you know has an an

Janice Porter:

explorative, a discovery call with you, or however you start

Janice Porter:

with a process with them, you have to listen and ask the right

Janice Porter:

questions and and listen to how, how they're, what they're saying

Janice Porter:

what they're not saying, and how right how it's affecting their

Janice Porter:

business. So you and I just had a quick conversation before we

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went on air about something very simple a process that I'm still

Janice Porter:

doing manually around my podcast, and which I probably

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could have, and I've tried before, but I'd haven't followed

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through to have a checklist of things that somebody else could

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do on my behalf, or automated, perhaps I don't know. But it's

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having the trust factor on and knowing that it's all going to

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get done and being able to let go of some of it that I find

Janice Porter:

difficult. And so you get someone like me, so you have to

Janice Porter:

be a counselor as well as a, as a, an expert in you know, in the

Janice Porter:

systems. Right. Right.

Kristen Kramer:

Yeah. I mean, and, and I, I understand what

Kristen Kramer:

you're saying, because there's a couple things that happen when

Kristen Kramer:

we want to start delegating workout, right, there is the

Kristen Kramer:

trust factor. So we have to know that we can trust and rely upon

Kristen Kramer:

the person that we're asking to do the work. And there are ways

Kristen Kramer:

to onboard and train and communicate that help you do

Kristen Kramer:

that. So you don't have to micromanage. But the other piece

Kristen Kramer:

of it is, you know, when your business can essentially run on

Kristen Kramer:

a lot of levels without you as the main ingredient. it a little

Kristen Kramer:

bit of fear and insecurity comes into play because we're like,

Kristen Kramer:

they don't need me anymore. They I've been replaced, they don't

Kristen Kramer:

need me anymore. I'm not, I'm not significant to my business,

Kristen Kramer:

I'm not important to my business. And it sounds silly,

Kristen Kramer:

like, you know, when I say it out loud, I'm like, you know, 10

Kristen Kramer:

years ago, if somebody had said that, to me, I'd been like,

Kristen Kramer:

whatever. But I experienced that when I had my VA agency, I had

Kristen Kramer:

eight virtual assistants, I swear to you, as the day is

Kristen Kramer:

long, I could have gotten abducted by aliens, or, you

Kristen Kramer:

know, fallen into a crevasse or something for them not here for

Kristen Kramer:

me for weeks on end. And they would have continued just

Kristen Kramer:

running like a well oiled machine. And that's amazing when

Kristen Kramer:

you can create that in your business. For me, that's the

Kristen Kramer:

pinnacle of success. You know, in my mind, that's what I'm

Kristen Kramer:

always aiming for. But I did feel that insecurity and kind of

Kristen Kramer:

like, okay, so now what am I supposed to do? Because they

Kristen Kramer:

clearly don't need me. You know, I did such a great job training

Kristen Kramer:

and onboarding and building out systems that I'm no longer

Kristen Kramer:

necessary. And so you do get a little bit of insecurity that

Kristen Kramer:

sets in but but it fades, it does fade, if you sit in the

Kristen Kramer:

discomfort of it long enough, it will, it will ease up.

Janice Porter:

So the name of your company bold moves, boss,

Janice Porter:

which says something to me that tell me where that came from?

Janice Porter:

Because was it making the bold move into this business? Or is

Janice Porter:

it is it that you create bold moves for your clients? Um,

Kristen Kramer:

I think it's a little of both. But it's more

Kristen Kramer:

about helping people take the bold moves to what I call boss

Kristen Kramer:

up their business that used to be one of my taglines that I

Kristen Kramer:

use, you know, bold moves to boss up your business. There's a

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lot of fire element and my branding. Yes, and that's

Kristen Kramer:

because, you know, fire is associated with transformation

Kristen Kramer:

and movement, it's very active. And sometimes, you know, if

Kristen Kramer:

you've ever heard me talk about business, you know, different

Kristen Kramer:

stages of the business lifecycle. One of them is the

Kristen Kramer:

Phoenix where you're reinventing and rebuilding your business.

Kristen Kramer:

And you're having to rise from the ashes, you know, into this

Kristen Kramer:

fiery, fiery bird. And that's really the essence of the brand

Kristen Kramer:

bold moves boss is about one truly appreciating and stepping

Kristen Kramer:

into your own power. Right, that you are the boss, right? And I

Kristen Kramer:

know that the term boss kind of comes with it has a negative

Kristen Kramer:

connotation. But for me, it's a positive. It's a positive word,

Kristen Kramer:

because we all want to be the boss like even when we you know,

Kristen Kramer:

when I worked in a traditional workforce, it's better to be the

Kristen Kramer:

boss than to have a crummy boss telling you what to do all the

Kristen Kramer:

time. Right. I don't

Janice Porter:

see it as negative I see it as powerful.

Janice Porter:

Yeah. And it's kind of a it's been modernized with the boss

Janice Porter:

babe type of mentality right as well. But let's just back Cut

Janice Porter:

for a second because you work with businesses in each of the

Janice Porter:

stages of their growth, the launch, and you've got the

Janice Porter:

unicorn, the launch and build phase, you've got the dragon,

Janice Porter:

the growth and scale phase, and then the Phoenix, the reinvent

Janice Porter:

and rebuilt. So you'll work with people in any of those phases of

Janice Porter:

their business, right?

Kristen Kramer:

Yeah, that's correct. I will. Yeah.

Janice Porter:

And so what's your favorite,

Kristen Kramer:

um, I think I'm a little biased right now,

Kristen Kramer:

because I find my business a bit in the Phoenix stage. You know,

Kristen Kramer:

because it taking a different direction and

Janice Porter:

kind of reinventing a little reinventing

Kristen Kramer:

how I fit into the current marketplace, right

Kristen Kramer:

to meet meet the needs of the changing marketplace. And I, you

Kristen Kramer:

know, I think I like I know, it sounds silly, I do like all of

Kristen Kramer:

them. And unicorns are, you know, they're fun to work with,

Kristen Kramer:

because they're, you know, it's about bringing their vision into

Kristen Kramer:

the real world, right. So helping them figure out how they

Kristen Kramer:

can be more effective in their business, if they're a

Kristen Kramer:

solopreneur, I work with a lot of solopreneurs, to bring that

Kristen Kramer:

vision into reality. And then dragons are, you know, in that

Kristen Kramer:

growth and scale phase, I've lived that several times over in

Kristen Kramer:

my own business. And so it's truly the entrepreneur going

Kristen Kramer:

through the growing pains of a growing business. And, you know,

Kristen Kramer:

helping them navigate and avoid all the tar pits and thorny

Kristen Kramer:

brambles have that process is fun, but usually what will

Kristen Kramer:

happen is, you know, I'll start with somebody, you know, early

Kristen Kramer:

in their business lifecycle, and then we just continue to evolve,

Kristen Kramer:

how I'm working with them as their business continues to

Kristen Kramer:

grow. I'm used to having long term clients, um, you know,

Kristen Kramer:

because I can work with businesses at any of those

Kristen Kramer:

stages. And so I'm able to sort of continue to evolve, meeting

Kristen Kramer:

their needs, and helping them guide, you know, be guided

Kristen Kramer:

through that scaling process, because it's, it is painful, it

Kristen Kramer:

doesn't have to be a nightmare. And you don't have to go it

Kristen Kramer:

alone. But it there are some some speed bumps you're going

Kristen Kramer:

to, you know, run into.

Janice Porter:

So with the work that you do, do you have to

Janice Porter:

constantly be assessing the different tools that are out

Janice Porter:

there? Or do you stay with your tried and true favorites?

Kristen Kramer:

No, I really, um, I really try to stay up to

Kristen Kramer:

date on, you know, like, right now, I'm exploring a lot of

Kristen Kramer:

different AI platforms, and how do we, you know, just I mean,

Kristen Kramer:

it's, it's the popular topic, right. But not just for

Kristen Kramer:

copywriting and marketing purposes for but for how we can

Kristen Kramer:

leverage that technology to be more effective in our day to day

Kristen Kramer:

operations. And, and help us ease some of that decision

Kristen Kramer:

fatigue that happens as entrepreneurs, you know, you get

Kristen Kramer:

to the end of the day, and you're like, you have to figure

Kristen Kramer:

out what, what's for dinner, and you're just like, I just, I

Kristen Kramer:

don't care if somebody's buying a frozen pizza, right, because I

Kristen Kramer:

don't want to make another decision today, like I'm tapped

Kristen Kramer:

out. So, you know, I, I definitely stay on top of what's

Kristen Kramer:

coming up. And if somebody brings a platform to me, then I

Kristen Kramer:

go, and I, I'm exploring it and trying to learn, you know, learn

Kristen Kramer:

more about it. Because, you know, the other thing that you

Kristen Kramer:

and I have talked about is that it's really important to get you

Kristen Kramer:

matched up with the right technology. So I don't think

Kristen Kramer:

there's anything wrong with, you know, only servicing or only

Kristen Kramer:

working with the, you know, specific set of platforms. But,

Kristen Kramer:

you know, keep isn't a good platform for everyone. So who's

Kristen Kramer:

not for everyone, some people just need constant contact or do

Kristen Kramer:

whatever. So,

Janice Porter:

I've tried to keep it simple, because I get

Janice Porter:

overwhelmed by things like Trello, even I tried Trello once

Janice Porter:

and it was all pretty and color coded. And but I couldn't get

Janice Porter:

myself there, I'd rather have my nice fountain pen and write on a

Janice Porter:

piece of paper. So you know, just you find these things out

Janice Porter:

about yourself as you're going through these processes, for

Janice Porter:

sure. Definitely, so But But what I find interesting in the

Janice Porter:

work that you do, which I think would be really rewarding, is

Janice Porter:

that you own I want to come back to something that we just talked

Janice Porter:

about AI, I want to just share something with you, but that you

Janice Porter:

kind of work both sides of things. You're looking at the

Janice Porter:

operations and how to systemize things and you're also looking

Janice Porter:

at the people side of things and delegating. So that must be

Janice Porter:

really rewarding when you're able to sort of cover the bases

Janice Porter:

for people. Yeah,

Kristen Kramer:

I think what kind of feeds my soul is when

Kristen Kramer:

I'm able to see my clients have those aha moments, you know,

Kristen Kramer:

where that spark, you know, that led us down this entrepreneurial

Kristen Kramer:

path halfway and said, I want to be a trailblazer.

Janice Porter:

Find the time to do what they love to do, the

Janice Porter:

business that they love to do, as opposed to being dug in the

Janice Porter:

mire of having to do your taxes. Or you're right, yeah, I

Kristen Kramer:

feel the same way about accounting. But yeah,

Kristen Kramer:

I think it's about falling in love with your business again,

Kristen Kramer:

you know, I'm falling in love with the idea that you're the

Kristen Kramer:

boss. And being the boss means that you also have control of

Kristen Kramer:

how you do things and the outcome. And taking, you know,

Kristen Kramer:

just really stepping into having control of, I guess, your

Kristen Kramer:

destiny, if you will. But really, for me, I think working

Kristen Kramer:

both sides of that, and helping them you know, leverage time and

Kristen Kramer:

technology and then talent, right, the people that they're

Kristen Kramer:

working with in their business is, is rewarding, because I get

Kristen Kramer:

to see them fall in love with their business again, like

Kristen Kramer:

remember why they wanted to be the captain of their own ship to

Kristen Kramer:

begin with, and to really love, love that experience and that

Kristen Kramer:

journey, and you're right and have a business that fuels the

Kristen Kramer:

lifestyle and the other dreams that they they want to bring

Kristen Kramer:

forth in their life, or

Janice Porter:

when you mentioned AI, and not just the

Janice Porter:

copywriting piece, I have a client that. So part of my

Janice Porter:

business is nurturing relationships that you have with

Janice Porter:

your clients and your prospects and so on. And I do that through

Janice Porter:

in real mail, greeting cards and gifts. And it's a system that I

Janice Porter:

use. That's one thing that systemized in a way for me, but

Janice Porter:

I still like to do that the personal touch on the cards. And

Janice Porter:

so I write them all into it, most of them are done

Janice Porter:

individually. But one of my clients, she decided that she

Janice Porter:

loved the idea of sending the cards, but she wanted to make

Janice Porter:

sure that it was really personalized. And so she would

Janice Porter:

go she is now doing this, she's going to their LinkedIn profile.

Janice Porter:

And maybe if she has access to them, she's talked to them and

Janice Porter:

their website, and she gets a sense of who they are. She's in

Janice Porter:

sales. And, and she's putting these things into Dolly, the AI,

Janice Porter:

visual thing, yeah, comes up with a card, a front of a card

Janice Porter:

that has all of their interests in whatever on it. So it shows

Janice Porter:

that she's listened. And then she uses that on the card system

Janice Porter:

that we

Kristen Kramer:

have. I love that. I love that idea. That's

Kristen Kramer:

and that is a great example of how we can leverage that

Kristen Kramer:

technology. And I was really resistant to jump on the, the AI

Kristen Kramer:

bandwagon because I was like, you know, the last thing I want

Kristen Kramer:

to do is kill more brain cells and forget like things like

Kristen Kramer:

grammar, yes, spelling, you know, just fundamental

Kristen Kramer:

communication skills, or independent thinking, Yes, but,

Kristen Kramer:

you know, now I really see it as a tool to help me be more

Kristen Kramer:

productive in my business. And, you know, for example, I'll I

Kristen Kramer:

can take a transcript from a call that I've had, if I have

Kristen Kramer:

permission to record it, of course, and I can drop that into

Kristen Kramer:

chat GPT and a custom GPT that I built, and I can ask it to give

Kristen Kramer:

me a meeting recap with key takeaways, action steps, like,

Kristen Kramer:

you know, to do list for each of us, and, you know, all of those

Kristen Kramer:

things. Um, and that used to take me a few hours to do now,

Kristen Kramer:

because I'd have to go back through all my notes. And now

Kristen Kramer:

it's, you know, I'm able to turn around a meeting recap and just

Kristen Kramer:

a few hours, you know, depending on how much I you know, want to

Kristen Kramer:

dig into all the details, but usually what it generates on the

Kristen Kramer:

first run is, is great. Yeah,

Janice Porter:

yeah, that's another whole thing, though, is

Janice Porter:

the custom templates. And I just had a sniff of that with

Janice Porter:

somebody that was on a call with us with some LinkedIn trainers a

Janice Porter:

couple of weeks ago, and I haven't had time to go back and

Janice Porter:

explore it, but it feels techy to me, and I get bogged down in

Janice Porter:

it. But it makes sense. When I you showed me actually how you

Janice Porter:

had your setup. So another whole thing and another piece that you

Janice Porter:

bring to the table actually for for your clients. I think that's

Janice Porter:

going to be really useful going forward. Yeah, I'm just to take

Janice Porter:

it offline a little bit. I just want to find out a little bit

Janice Porter:

more about you. And my audience then gets to know you a little

Janice Porter:

bit more because I think you have a lot to offer. A lot of

Janice Porter:

the people that listen to my, my podcast, but I like to know

Janice Porter:

sometimes. You know, are you are you a traditional reader? Are

Janice Porter:

you a Kindle reader now or are you a listener? Are you a video

Janice Porter:

person? What do you how do you get your information or

Janice Porter:

enjoyment I should say too, so

Kristen Kramer:

um, my guilty pleasure is true crime. Okay,

Kristen Kramer:

um, yeah, I books, podcasts have no listen to it, because I can

Kristen Kramer:

listen to them while I'm working on other things cooking dinner

Kristen Kramer:

and whatever, right? Yeah, um, and I do like audiobooks,

Kristen Kramer:

although the audiobooks I listened to are nonfiction, so

Kristen Kramer:

you know, their, like, business or history or you know,

Kristen Kramer:

whatever. I haven't really, like, gotten hooked on listening

Kristen Kramer:

to fiction, because that's kind of, like, I don't know, you

Kristen Kramer:

know, when you read a fiction book, you're in your head, you

Kristen Kramer:

hear what the character sound like and everything and an audio

Kristen Kramer:

when it's just one person reading sometimes they do a good

Kristen Kramer:

job, sometimes they don't. But, um, so I would say like, the way

Kristen Kramer:

I consume media right now is mostly audio. But I do a lot of

Kristen Kramer:

video too. You know, I mean, but it's, it's really probably more

Kristen Kramer:

audio because I'm busy doing other things and with a video, I

Kristen Kramer:

mean, you gotta,

Janice Porter:

you have to sit and watch it. I know, sit and

Janice Porter:

watch it. Yeah, I'm talking about true crime. Have you ever

Janice Porter:

read and

Kristen Kramer:

rules books? Ah, no, I haven't

Janice Porter:

you definitely want to do that. She's been

Janice Porter:

around as a true crime writer for years. And I read I met her

Janice Porter:

actually, she was from the Pacific Northwest. And she came

Janice Porter:

up to Vancouver to speak. And I went to hear her and she was

Janice Porter:

amazing. But her stuff is like, there was a guy in Seattle, who,

Janice Porter:

like every one of her books, they'd been convicted or

Janice Porter:

whatever. And she through the whole story. And he's even

Janice Porter:

corresponded with the people that she's, yeah, it's really

Janice Porter:

interesting. Anyway, her stories are very gripping. There was a

Janice Porter:

movie, probably before your time with Farrah Fawcett called the

Janice Porter:

burning bed.

Kristen Kramer:

Oh, no, I, I know that movie. Okay. Well,

Kristen Kramer:

that's one of the

Janice Porter:

books that she wrote. And there's one about

Janice Porter:

this. I have to get the name of it for you, because it was just

Janice Porter:

gripping about this guy who supposedly killed his wife. And

Janice Porter:

it was like the perfect murder and the whole story. Like you

Janice Porter:

can't stop reading her stuff, right?

Kristen Kramer:

Yeah, no, I yeah, definitely tell me what it

Kristen Kramer:

is. Because I do enjoy reading it. It's just I find that

Janice Porter:

audio now. I don't know they could. Oh, yeah,

Janice Porter:

that's, that's true, too. I

Kristen Kramer:

mean, and there is something to be said about

Kristen Kramer:

reading a book, even if it's an e book. I mean, it uses

Kristen Kramer:

different parts of our brain and engages us differently. And I'm

Kristen Kramer:

on the computer a lot. So I think that's why I don't like, I

Kristen Kramer:

don't use my phone as a computer because I'm like, Just get on my

Kristen Kramer:

laptop if I need something. You

Janice Porter:

know, it's funny because I, I used to read a lot

Janice Porter:

more. And I find myself very distracted. Now, when I read and

Janice Porter:

I really wanted to read this book that I heard about, it was

Janice Porter:

a novel. I don't read novels very, very often at all. And it

Janice Porter:

was called, it is called Lessons in chemistry. And it got really

Janice Porter:

good reviews. And I bought the book, the hardcover book, I

Janice Porter:

bought the book. And I've read two chapters, and it sits on my

Janice Porter:

night table. But the the, it's been made into a series on Apple

Janice Porter:

TV, and I knew it was there. And I didn't want to watch it

Janice Porter:

because I wanted to read the book first. Yeah, I just paved,

Janice Porter:

and I've started to watch it. And I think that's where it

Janice Porter:

needs to be for me. But yeah, I'm liking what I'm seeing. So

Janice Porter:

you never know, right? It just never I

Kristen Kramer:

want I think it's, I think, you know, it's

Kristen Kramer:

different. Because we, you know, like me, you probably consumed

Kristen Kramer:

so much electronically, that, you know, you're kind of like to

Kristen Kramer:

sit down with a book and hard read it that way. It's just

Kristen Kramer:

you're kind of like, Oh, I've been reading stuff all day.

Janice Porter:

Yeah, exactly. So so that's one question. The

Janice Porter:

other question I wanted to ask you, and then I'm gonna give you

Janice Porter:

one final question. That is, I often asked my guests to comment

Janice Porter:

on my favorite word, which is curiosity. And I want to know,

Janice Porter:

two parts one, do you think curiosity is innate? Or learned?

Janice Porter:

And part two is what are you most curious about these days?

Kristen Kramer:

So nature versus nurture? The age old question,

Kristen Kramer:

you know, I think curiosity can be learned. Okay. Um, but I

Kristen Kramer:

would also say that there are people who like my daughter, for

Kristen Kramer:

example, she is very curious, and she will go Reese, like, she

Kristen Kramer:

just researches all kinds of random stuff. She can blame me

Kristen Kramer:

on that, but but because I'm like that, too. And so she's

Kristen Kramer:

very curious about the world and how people behave and wants to

Kristen Kramer:

understand it more. And some people I think, are just like, I

Kristen Kramer:

leave me in my bubble. I don't want to know, which is fine. But

Kristen Kramer:

I think you can teach it to and I think it's fostering an

Kristen Kramer:

environment where I think because I think this piece is

Kristen Kramer:

the key. It's okay to ask questions. Yes, right, because

Kristen Kramer:

that's the root of curiosity. He has to question things. And, um,

Kristen Kramer:

you know, sometimes, you know, I mean, my dad was a great example

Kristen Kramer:

of this, and I don't fault him for it, but it was Do as I say,

Kristen Kramer:

not as I do. Right now, I'm still very curious. But, you

Kristen Kramer:

know, he didn't want wasn't, you know, it wasn't a conversation

Kristen Kramer:

or questions. You know, it was like I told you to go, Yeah, I'm

Kristen Kramer:

not here to discuss it with you. But I think that that curiosity

Kristen Kramer:

is when you're in an environment where you are able to ask

Kristen Kramer:

questions, and it's encouraged for you to question things that

Kristen Kramer:

you can learn to be very curious. And I think it's

Kristen Kramer:

something that people should work to cultivate. If they if

Kristen Kramer:

they feel like they're not very curious about things, then I

Kristen Kramer:

wouldn't, I would really encourage them to try. Try it

Kristen Kramer:

on, you know, and just start asking questions, then they

Kristen Kramer:

might be surprised might be pleasantly surprised to be like,

Kristen Kramer:

Oh, wow. Okay. Um, and then, what was the second part of the

Kristen Kramer:

question? I'm

Janice Porter:

sorry, the most curious about these days.

Kristen Kramer:

What am I most curious about these days? Um,

Kristen Kramer:

well, so it's kind of twofold. Um, one is, I'm, I'm really

Kristen Kramer:

curious about the direction of AI. Because, you know, I grew up

Kristen Kramer:

with the Terminator movies, and I am like this, this is the,

Kristen Kramer:

this is Skynet. Like being born. Right? And that's part of what I

Kristen Kramer:

have go through my head sometimes. Because, because with

Kristen Kramer:

a long conversation anyway, but so I'm very curious to see how

Kristen Kramer:

that's going to go. But I think I'm most curious about human

Kristen Kramer:

behavior, and why people do the things that they do. And you

Kristen Kramer:

know, why you can have two people that grow up in the same

Kristen Kramer:

household, and they turn out very differently, or why people

Kristen Kramer:

make the decisions that they make. And it's not just

Kristen Kramer:

psychology, it's really just kind of understanding, like, the

Kristen Kramer:

logic that they're using to make those decisions. So I think

Kristen Kramer:

that's why True Crime appeals to me so much is, you know, not

Kristen Kramer:

because I'm, like, morbid, and like to see other people suffer.

Kristen Kramer:

But it's because I, I'm like, the question I'm always asking

Kristen Kramer:

is, like, at what point did that, you know, boundary of, I

Kristen Kramer:

might think about doing that. But I know, that's not a good

Kristen Kramer:

idea, right? Like, I don't want to do the jail time, there's too

Kristen Kramer:

many repercussions, like, you know, being able to understand

Kristen Kramer:

the potential outcome and the consequences of it, versus

Kristen Kramer:

somebody that just bypasses that boundary, and they do something,

Kristen Kramer:

you know. So that's like a, what happened there? Like, how did

Kristen Kramer:

they get to that point where they were like, Yeah, this, this

Kristen Kramer:

is a good plan, this is what I'm going with, versus I'm going to

Kristen Kramer:

walk away and whatever, you know, have the day, you know,

Kristen Kramer:

karma delivers to you that you deserve or whatever, you know.

Kristen Kramer:

So I think human behavior is probably the thing I'm most

Kristen Kramer:

curious about. Okay, thank you. I can rival being an AI. Yeah.

Janice Porter:

Okay. That's awesome. Thank you. And the last

Janice Porter:

question I want to ask you is what would you like to leave

Janice Porter:

with my audience today as perhaps your, your key business?

Janice Porter:

Advice?

Kristen Kramer:

Yeah, so first, I would say that, at some point

Kristen Kramer:

in your business, you need help, right? Like, you're gonna get to

Kristen Kramer:

a point where you just can't manage it all yourself. And if

Kristen Kramer:

we work to build a solid foundation, meaning you've taken

Kristen Kramer:

the time to I know this is gonna sound really tedious and boring.

Kristen Kramer:

But to really document the way you're working in your business,

Kristen Kramer:

how things get done. Then when you come to me and you say,

Kristen Kramer:

Kristen, I need to get a virtual assistant. And I asked you, what

Kristen Kramer:

are you going to have them do, you will understand what you

Kristen Kramer:

want to get off of your plate, right? And you have to know that

Kristen Kramer:

information before you go out and hire somebody. Because if

Kristen Kramer:

you put the cart before the horse and hire somebody without

Kristen Kramer:

having a clue as to what you're going to delegate to them. And

Kristen Kramer:

that's usually just because we're, you know, we're walking

Kristen Kramer:

on water all the time as entrepreneurs, so we don't stop

Kristen Kramer:

long enough to get it all organized in a nice, neat little

Kristen Kramer:

package, right? But take the time to document it. And do

Kristen Kramer:

yourself a huge favor. To do that and consciously understand

Kristen Kramer:

where you're investing your time. Because if it's not, if

Kristen Kramer:

your time is not invested in cultivating relationships, and

Kristen Kramer:

nurturing relationships, because those are the two activities

Kristen Kramer:

that put money in your bank account, then it probably needs

Kristen Kramer:

to be assigned to somebody else. But to do that, you have to know

Kristen Kramer:

what If those things are, how you're going to train them, how

Kristen Kramer:

are you going to onboard them? How you're going to assign work

Kristen Kramer:

to them? How you're going to hold them accountable without

Kristen Kramer:

micromanaging them to death and creating more work for yourself?

Janice Porter:

Yeah, that's, that's good advice, actually.

Janice Porter:

Because I have tried before, to, to have someone do some VA work

Janice Porter:

for me, but I didn't really know what I wanted them to do. And

Janice Porter:

you can't expect them to be the person to pick it up when they

Janice Porter:

don't know what you know what you want. So right, yeah,

Kristen Kramer:

and they only see a sliver of your business,

Kristen Kramer:

they don't really see the entire business itself. So it's, you

Kristen Kramer:

really put yourself in, you know, in a position of

Kristen Kramer:

frustration and not getting the results that you hoped for. When

Kristen Kramer:

you're not clear on what you're going to have them do. Plus, if

Kristen Kramer:

you don't know what you're going to delegate, how do you ensure

Kristen Kramer:

that you hire the right professional?

Janice Porter:

Right, exactly. Because not everybody's the

Janice Porter:

expert in it. Right. Right. Well, thank you. Thank you for

Janice Porter:

being here. Thank you for your wisdom because I do believe that

Janice Porter:

you know what you're talking about, and I encourage my

Janice Porter:

audience to check out your website bold moves boss.com and

Janice Porter:

I will put everything in the show notes about how to find

Janice Porter:

you. Excuse me, I will also send you some information on an rule

Janice Porter:

and her books. And it'd be fun for me to look those up again.

Janice Porter:

And, and thank you to my audience for being here. As

Janice Porter:

usual. I appreciate you and remember to stay connected and

Janice Porter:

be remembered

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