Laura and Xhafer decide Gaeta's fatal flaw was never training a backup. Laura finds deep meaning in a puddle on the floor. Xhafer gets booed. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 4, Episode 14: Blood on the Scales.

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Hello, and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well-done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends, who are currently

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I'm Jafeir

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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And

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Xhafer: And we've got a,

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Laura: quite the run-up.

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Xhafer: we got a lot of talking

to do, so I wanna get right to it.

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And, and also it's been like three

minutes since we finished recording

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the last episode , so I just

kinda wanna get it out of the way.

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Laura: just can't let this one sit.

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Xhafer: No.

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Laura: do it

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Xhafer: No, no, we just gotta,

we just gotta talk about this.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: we've got Battlestar

Galactica, Season 4, Episode 14,

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"Blood on the Scales" ahead of us.

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But, but Laura, right

now, as this episode airs,

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Laura: Uh-huh

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Xhafer: we are in Las Vegas.

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Laura: That is true.

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Xhafer: Well, actually I'll,

I'll be flying later in the day.

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You'll already be there.

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Uh, But

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Laura: for days.

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Xhafer: I'm so excited

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Laura: I am excited and apprehensive.

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Xhafer: I

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mean,

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Laura: I should, I should take

that, I should reorder that.

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I'm apprehensive then excited because I

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Xhafer: Okay

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Laura: conference immediately

before friend conference.

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Xhafer: Yes.

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I mean, my weekends in the run-up to this,

which we're recording so far in advance

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none of these have happened yet, are I'm

going to Vegas, and then I'm going to a

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bachelor party camping weekend, and then

I'm going back to Vegas for Star Trek

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And if it wasn't for having

to go back for that thing and also,

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like, having a life and a dog and

probably would just bring Beth out with

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me the first time getting an Airbnb

and staying in Vegas for the 12 days

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in between my Vegas trips was like…

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I, I did the math.

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Like, I was looking into it.

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I even have a friend I could have

stayed with for probably that

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whole time but didn't really…

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It'd be a lot to just be all

like, "Hey, buddy from college.

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I'm really more friends with your little

brother than you, but, you know, we

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text semi-regularly in group chats.

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Two weeks on your sofa?

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Thanks."

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The flight is a little

more of an ask for you than

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it is for me

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Xhafer: it's I think like a four-hour,

four and a half, like fi- maybe.

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It's not too bad.

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Laura: getting direct?

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Xhafer: Oh, yeah.

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Laura: Okay, good.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: I traveled, I flew every

week for five fucking years for work,

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Laura: True,

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Xhafer: they would not play, pay

for direct flights most of the time.

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I don't-- I will pay double for a direct

flight because it's half the time always.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: I fucking hate layovers.

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I avoid them whenever I can.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: past the point in my

life where I wanna deal with it.

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If it was my only means

of travel, I 100% would.

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And no shade to people who

like stopping at airports, I

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guess, if that's your thing.

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It is not my thing.

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I've missed too many connections

in my life to want to relive

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that in any meaningful way.

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And also, I live next to a fucking Delta

hub, so it's real easy for me to just go

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places without having to worry about it.

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Yeah

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Laura: Yeah.

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Las Vegas is one of the

few I can get direct.

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Although it seems like

there's more, so it's

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: It, like, I feel like it's

something like we leave Oklahoma

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City and we land an hour later

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Of the time change.

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So it's, like, not, not bad at

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Xhafer: mean, yeah.

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I-

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Laura: early or something.

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I don't know.

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It's, it's not bad

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Xhafer: I land an hour after I take

off because of the time changes.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Well, regardless, we're in Vegas.

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Let's go

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Laura: Yeah.

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suppose if you're in Vegas

as well, listener, you should

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probably be in the Discord.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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If you're in the Discord

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Laura: mm

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Xhafer: and, and you're at Star

Trek Las Vegas say something.

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: But if you're not in the Discord

and you're not at Star Trek Las Vegas, um,

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I guess you can still say something, it's

just, just a lot less practical to meet.

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Laura: Word.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: I won't say impossible,

but I will say less practical.

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Laura: practical, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But if you're

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Xhafer: It-

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Laura: in the Discord, you

can still always get in there.

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Like,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: hell yeah.

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Be

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Xhafer: It's m- it's my first

real vacation this year.

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I'm

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Laura: Yeah, that's

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Xhafer: been waiting for fucking that,

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Laura: Mm-hmm

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I, I gotta say, I am extremely

tempted because my professional

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conference ends on Wednesday, and

technically Star Trek Las Vegas

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starts on Wednesday, although I don't

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: actually going on

Wednesday because of stuff.

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But I am very tempted one of my Star

Trek uniforms to the last day of my

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professional conference and just be weird.

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Xhafer: Just be weird with it.

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Laura: I, I'll find the right

people, you know what I mean?

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Like, the right people will

be like, "Hey, look at that."

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And I'll be like, "Yeah, I'm

going to the other thing."

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And those are friends I wanna have

in my profession, I think, so…

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Xhafer: That's fair.

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I don't think I can do

that with what I'm doing.

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I don't think I can wear a

"Star Trek" uniform to the last

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day of the "Star Wars" thing.

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That might upset some people.

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But

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Laura: but,

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then you'll have found

all the wrong people

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Xhafer: but also when they do the thing

in Detroit where they turn a bar into

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the Mos Eisley Cantina over May the 4th

weekend, I have shown up to that with

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Beth both in our "Star Trek" uniforms

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Laura: Yeah, and how did that go?

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Xhafer: I thought it was

hilarious uh, because the like…

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To get in, we had passes, so we

had to like w- there was like a

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huge line of people who were buying

passes at the gate, and we had

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pre-bought passes to get in early.

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And so we walked past, I would say

80% of the occupants of the bar that

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night while they're waiting to get

in, and I'm basically going in the

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VIP line in my "Star Trek" uniform,

getting booed the entire time.

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And some people are booing me because

of the "Star Trek" uniform, some

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people are booing me because I'm in the

VIP line, but most of them are both.

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And I reveled.

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Laura: Uh-huh.

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Xhafer: who would do that, I

would just be like, "Ich tick."

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And they're all like…

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It's just like…

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Yeah, I, I w- not live long and prosper.

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I'll give the salute, but I'll say

ic- I'll say ich tick to people,

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because that's the real test.

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Laura: though.

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Listener, I'm doing the mariner.

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I'm

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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100%.

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It's all like,

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if you're a real "Star Trek" nerd

and someone does the Vulcan salute

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and ich ticks you, then you know.

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You know that they're legit,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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I don't know how to

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Xhafer: We've decided this?

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Bring your out- bring your

Raisin Maidens outfit.

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We're doing the Raisin Maidens again

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Laura: All right.

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Will do

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Xhafer: That was too much fun.

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And also Jack Quaid's

gonna be there this year

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Laura: Oh my God, we need a

picture of Jack Quaid then

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Xhafer: We need to get a

picture with Jack Quade.

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100%, we need a picture with

Jack Quade as the Raisin Maidens

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Laura: Yes.

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Okay.

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It's

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Okay, cool.

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What's also settled is this

mutiny by the end of this

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episode of Battlestar Galactica.

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It is season four, episode

14, "Blood on the Scales."

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We open in the immediate

aftermath of the last episode.

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The Viper carrying Baltar and

Roslin is being chased en route

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Laura: stamping, so…

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Xhafer: yes

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Laura: yeah.

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I think the last episode

started at somewhere around

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0600, and we are at 1041 now.

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Xhafer: Okay.

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Laura: So

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: hours.

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Xhafer: Four hours.

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So it's, they're moving,

they're moving at a clip.

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We see that a, that grenade

knocked out Adama and Ty.

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They are arrested, and we are down to a

single Die Hard as a, With a Vengeance,

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as Captain Kelly, last seen doing a

terrorism during trial, arrests them

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Laura: Yeah.

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Kelly's back.

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This is

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where I was like, Ben what the fuck?"

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Xhafer: That's what I said when he

said Kelly was his favorite character

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forever ago, and this is the re- like,

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Laura: Here it is.

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Xhafer: here it is.

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Well, that and the whole doing the

terrorism bits last time we saw him

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Laura: Yeah.

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That also, not great.

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Xhafer: Not great.

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Uh

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Hot Dog on the trail of that raptor,

and he asks for ID before firing

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Laura: Yeah, he's just like shitting

around 'cause Gaeta's definitely

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like, "Hot Dog, shoot that thing.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: it."

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And Hot Dog's like, "Well, I want

them to tell me who they are first."

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Xhafer: It's, it's clearly one of ours.

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Like, what the fuck do you mean shoot it?

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That's weird orders.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: so he's like,

"Who's, who's over there?"

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And then Rosalind's all

like, "It's the president."

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And he's all like, "Well, fuck.

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I'm not killing the president today.

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This has been the worst week of my life.

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I have a son and I have

to kill the president?"

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Laura: Yeah.

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Now I really feel for Hot Dog.

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Like, fuck.

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This is crazy pants.

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I can understand why Hot Dog is,

like, dicking around with Protocol,

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'cause he's like, "Uh, need more time.

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Need

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: Brain, no brain."

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Xhafer: But this all happens because

once again, the guy, the, the rapist

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who took over for Gaeta on the comm

station can't block things fast enough.

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And I can't help but think, like,

this, this is falling apart because

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he-- Gaeta needs Gaeta on comms.

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If Gaeta had Gaeta on comms, so many

of the dominoes that fall to stop

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this from happening would not fall

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Laura: Do you think, do you think

some of this, the problem with this,

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this coup is that Gaeta's been the bad

coworker who makes himself too valuable

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Xhafer: Mm.

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Laura: doesn't cross-train 'cause

he likes being valuable and

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Xhafer: Man

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Listener, I'd like to impart on you the

best piece of career advice I've ever

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received in my life, and that is no

one who is irreplaceable gets promoted

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: You have, you can be valuable.

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You can be valuable all you want,

but if there is not a clear successor

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to the thing that you are…

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Like, if you are doing a good enough

job to where they want to promote

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you because you're doing good, there

needs to be someone who can do that

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good as well, otherwise you will

never be promoted, 100% without fail.

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You always need someone who is able to

step into your shoes and take over your

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job, otherwise you'll never move up

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Laura: And I think maybe,

Gaeta's sunk his own rebellion

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Xhafer: Mm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Laura: Hmm.

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Xhafer: Hoisted by his own coo- but I

can't combine that word with petard.

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Laura: Pitard, yeah, it doesn't work

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Xhafer: It gets real dangerous when you

try to combine petard with any other word.

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Laura: Sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm just saying maybe Gaeta's attitude

all along sunk this whole thing, so…

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Xhafer: 100%.

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I think if Kelly were up here right

now running the ship while Gaeta was on

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comms, they'd have a lot less problems

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Laura: Yeah.

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Um, but Hot Dog's choking, and so Narco

is ordered to, to do the firing instead.

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And he, I guess he fired, like,

at them, but Sharon's a very

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good dodge, shoulder pad Sharon.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And oopsie doodle,

we hit the spaceship

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Xhafer: Yep.

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The Raptor docks as those

missiles hit the base ship.

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At the same time, Kelly is

ordered to put Ty in the Cylon

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pen while he brings Adama to CIC

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And then Rosalyn tries to convince

the Cylons to put themselves

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inside the civilian fleet

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Laura: Yeah.

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She

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says if you're in the fleet,

they can't fire at you.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: It's not a bad idea, I thought.

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I was like, "Oh, huh."

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And it shows, like, you're not

running 'cause sh- she makes a,

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a big point of, like, can't run.

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You've gotta give Adama time

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: and I guess they buy it for now

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Xhafer: Yeah, they do just a little bit.

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Gaeta gives Adama shit for loving

the ship more than its crew, as the

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Cylon ship decides to take Roslin's

advice and moves into the fleet.

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This is as Gaeta's, like,

ordering the batteries and

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stuff to blow up the base ship

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Laura: Yeah.

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Adama's tearing his pips off and saying

like, "Y- you can talk to Roslin now.

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You're, you're the admiral now, dog."

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Xhafer: Yep

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Laura: Gaeta's like sending Kelly

to get Zarek 'cause he's coming over

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Xhafer: Yep

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Laura: like, "Just shoot me now, bro.

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Just shoot me."

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Xhafer: Just fucking shoot me.

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Just do it, bitch.

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You won't shoot me.

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Laura: Yeah

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Xhafer: he's right.

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To theme.

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Survivor count 39,603.

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A drop of 40 people

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Laura: Yeah.

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40 people have been massacred in

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Xhafer: for not being a ship

blowing up, that's a big drop

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Laura: Yeah.

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Just, and presumably all just on

Galactica in the last four hours,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: right?

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We don't, we don't hear

about unnecessarily deadly

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unrest on any other ship

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Xhafer: Yeah, this is a

person every six minutes.

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Laura: Guys, what are you doing?

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What are you doing?

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Xhafer: One lands on Galactica as

Zarek makes old man jokes to Racetrack.

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Laura: Oh my God,

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this is so gross

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Xhafer: Did you hear her?

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She's got, like, a line off-camera in

the background that I saw on subtitles

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and didn't catch and then had to rewind.

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But, like, as Zarek's walking

away, she's like, "You're gross."

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Laura: Wow.

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Thanks, Racetrack.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for calling it as it is,

'cause I've, I've definitely had to

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Laura: nice with this

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: man and jokes in my life.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: I'm so sorry.

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Yeah.

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I know exactly-- I, I could name,

like, four coworkers in my career

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who I know are this person,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: and

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Laura: women they've interacted with too.

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Xhafer: Oh, yeah.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Oh, yeah.

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Laura: Fuck those guys

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Yep

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Laura: So Rosalyn's trying to get a

message out, I guess, to the fleet on

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the Raptor, but nothing is going through

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm In the Cylon pen

ty muses that Anders is gonna

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get a leg cut off as revenge.

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Yeah

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Laura: Yeah.

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I mean, we were all thinking it, right?

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But Gaeta is insisting on a trial,

which Zarek is like, "What the fuck?

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Xhafer: Dude

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Laura: I thought you knew we did this

with, like, secret tribunals, remember?

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Remember when I did that?

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Xhafer: Remember the l-- That was me.

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Remember the last time we did a big

trial and how well that worked out

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for everyone who wanted revenge?

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah

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Xhafer: Yay, democracy

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Laura: But now I'm wondering,

did Gada not think about that?

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Did he not know that that was

Zarek who was doing the tribunals?

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Xhafer: Probably not.

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That was real hush-hush.

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He just knew who judged him

and threw him in an airlock

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Laura: Huh.

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I guess maybe he wouldn't

have known that that…

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But s- wow.

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Xhafer: Yeah, that would have

spoiled this whole thing.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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Laura: That's a key piece of information

that that boy definitely needed

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Xhafer: There's a lot of

those, which is actually the

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main thing I wanna talk about.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: we can save it for the

end of the episode, or we could

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just do it now because we're here

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Laura: Nah, let's, let's

just do it at the end

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Xhafer: All right, we'll

save it at the end.

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Laura: Yeah, Zerek thinks we

just need to move on, guys.

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We just need to get Adama out

of the way and move on, like

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: right now.

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Like,

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come on.

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Xhafer: fucking now.

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The longer you wait to shoot him.

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Laura: Yeah.

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The Quorum

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will just argue about this.

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We can't, we can't do that.

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: Hmm.

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That seems bad.

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hey, you know, you know who shows

up whenever we have a fucking trial?

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Xhafer: Roma Lampkin!

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I wish we had a drop.

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Laura: Yeah.

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love that, like, the, the lead-in to this

is, like, Tyrell sneaking around for a

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second, and then Lampkin's on board being,

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like, dragged through the halls.

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We got him real quick.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yep.

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He's gonna be Adama's defense

lawyer in his court martial,

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and Lampkin's like, "Why?"

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And Adama's all like, "They need a pimp."

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yep.

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You know, Romo gave himself some,

like, legitimacy with the whole

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: shit, so we need a

nice face for legitimacy

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm

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Laura: for all this.

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What…

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Here's the charges: treason,

desertion, giving aid and comfort to

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the enemy, and dereliction of duty.

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Xhafer: Yep.

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Sounds right

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Laura: Yeah, but Romo can't believe this.

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He's like, "What the fuck?"

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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He's like, "I'm guessing this is a

thing that I can't say no to, right?"

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Laura: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And Zerek says, "I'm

gonna be the judge at this

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Xhafer: Yeah

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Laura: like, "Oh, good."

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Xhafer: All the captains are, are

busy defending their ships from

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Cylons, so it's just Zarek as the

captain of Colonial One, I guess

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Laura: Yeah.

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And Adama starts, like, sassing

Gaeta as he's repeating the charges,

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and Lampkin's like, "Um, can I have

that attorney-client moment still?

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Like, can we do that?

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I know that this is gonna be a

total sham, but let me, like, try to

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tell him this is serious, I guess."

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Xhafer: Yeah, I mean, he appeals to the

correct instinct here in Geto, which

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is, "I know you want him to understand,"

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: right?

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That's why you're doing this, is

because you want him to understand.

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Let me talk to him so I

can help make that happen

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Laura: Yeah.

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Over at the, the base ship, we've got

Rosalyn screaming at the comms, and Six

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is in the background trying to convince

everyone that this is too dangerous.

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We shouldn't be doing this.

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We should just go.

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We should just jump.

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We should just get out of

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here.

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And I feel like this sort of Six

paranoia and projecting has been very

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consistent throughout this whole show

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Xhafer: Yes.

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We see Tiro working his way through the

vents, meaning right now we're at a Die

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Hard and a Die Hard with a Vengeance,

which if you didn't know is a Die Hard

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1 and a Die Hard 3, so you'd think

that would average out to a Die Hard 2.

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But this is not a Die Hard 2.

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That's not how this works

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Laura: Gotcha Zarek is back at Colonial

One quoting Gaeta to the quorum trying to

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pitch that, like, "Hey, Gaeta's our man.

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This is the

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right guy."

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Adama's been really a pain in the

ass, and, you know, is, this is the

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way things should be, and it's good.

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Everything's good and fine.

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And they are not convinced

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Xhafer: They ask him to leave.

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So he does, and then has them executed.

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Laura: The second he gets wind of

this could take a while or this is not

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gonna go my way, Zarek has to extremes.

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Xhafer: Yep

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Laura: Back from commercial in the

bloody chamber, Gaeta i- has been

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brought over and is like, "You've

just murdered all these people."

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And Zarek is like, "Yeah.

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It's a coup, dummy.

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Xhafer: This is what you signed up for.

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Laura: This

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Xhafer: signed up for this

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Laura: Remember when I tried to do a,

a terrorism way back in the colonies?

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This is what

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Listener, you had no way of knowing this,

but for the last two episodes of recording

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now, I have been wearing a tour shirt from

the You Asked For This tour because for

513

this moment, because Gaeta asked for this.

514

He didn't realize, but

515

Laura: This is exactly

516

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

517

Laura: he asked for.

518

Gaeta's freaking out 'cause he's

like, "We had truth and righteousness

519

and all that shit, and you just…

520

The, the lies and the murders."

521

Xhafer: Yep

522

Laura: That's…

523

Truth and righteousness is no longer good.

524

And Zarek is like, "Truth is told

by those who are left standing."

525

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

526

Laura: Which, to be

527

Xhafer: History is written by the victors

528

Laura: could also be Garrick.

529

Anyway,

530

Adama's gotta go next, dude.

531

You gotta fucking do this fast

Tearo crawls through the tubes

532

Xhafer: The Cylons tell Rosalyn that

they're out, fuck this, and Rosalyn

533

then gives a big speech about how

they've been through so much shit,

534

Laura: Mm-hmm.

535

Xhafer: and basically says, "There will

be a reckoning, and it's coming for you

536

guys too if you fucking bail on us now."

537

Laura: Yeah.

538

This whole fight, Six is like

projecting her own paranoia and

539

exactly what she would do onto Gaeta.

540

She's

541

talking about Gaeta's gonna

murder them all right now, and

542

I'm like, saying all these things

'cause that's what she would do.

543

Huh.

544

Yeah.

545

Interesting.

546

I don't know how…

547

Yeah.

548

but, but Roslin's insisting, like,

Bill Adama beats the odds, and he

549

remembers who s- who was on his side.

550

So, gotta, you gotta stick

this out a little while longer

551

Xhafer: Tiro pops out of a vent

and Kelly is there waiting for him

552

Laura: I just fucking loved Tyrol through

the tubes through this whole episode, I

553

Xhafer: Yeah.

554

Laura: Or I guess he's not always

in tubes, but it's a lot of tubes.

555

Xhafer: It's a lot of tubes

556

Laura: And I love this, and I,

I love that here we are, it's

557

13:05 now on this timestamp.

558

Xhafer: Yeah

559

Laura: and Tyrol's like, "Well,

okay, gotta shoot me 'cause I am

560

too old and I'm not getting up.

561

I've been in tubes and I, and my

body won't do any other right now."

562

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

563

Laura: They do a little, like,

remembering about how Galactica used

564

to be nice and have some jokey jokes.

565

And then Kelly pulls his gun again

566

Xhafer: Yep.

567

Laura: and says, "Keep

going, you bastard."

568

Xhafer: Yep, get back in them vents

569

Laura: I didn't see you.

570

Move on.

571

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

572

Laura: So I guess maybe this

is why Ben loves Captain Kelly,

573

but still a weird choice, Ben.

574

Xhafer: Lampkin tries to get Adama to

write out a statement here so a record of

575

him and his, and what happened can live on

576

Laura: Yeah.

577

He's like, "You gotta get a

statement of innocence on the record.

578

Like,

579

Xhafer: Yeah

580

Laura: people need to know."

581

Um, is like, "I don't need to

fucking bother with that 'cause these

582

fuckers are gonna fuck this up."

583

Xhafer: Yep.

584

I just gotta have a

little bit more patience.

585

Laura: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

586

And, I just love Romo here, 'cause he's,

he's leaning forward and he's like,

587

"Look, saw, I saw Tyrell in the hallway.

588

He was about to get in them tubes you just

gotta stall or play dumb for a little bit.

589

Give that, give that

motherfucker some time."

590

Xhafer: Yeah.

591

Laura: as he's, like, wrapping

that sentence the, the guards

592

return, and Romo just does a really

fast, like, cool guy, "Oh, we've,

593

we've been waiting on you fuckers.

594

What's, what's the holdup?"

595

Xhafer: Let's get to this trial.

596

Laura: We go to a bathroom with

just so much piss on the floor.

597

Did you notice that?

598

I, I thought it was very, good actually,

because, you know, this whole time

599

we've been, for a few episodes, Adama's

been picking up trash off the deck.

600

We've seen

601

graffiti on the walls, and now

as everything has gone to hell,

602

there's piss all over the floor.

603

Like, I was like,

604

Xhafer: Yeah.

605

Laura: apt."

606

Good job, guys.

607

but this guy who's taking

a piss gets got real fast

608

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

609

Laura: Spocks cracks his

skull to get Li a gun

610

Xhafer: Yep, and Lee

and Kara are back at it.

611

Lee throws a grenade without pulling the

pin to get a bunch of Marines to scatter

612

and duck so they can shoot them all

613

Laura: In between this, when they're

trying to figure that out, we have

614

just a little, little teeny,

teeny- teensy bit of Baltar.

615

And this is the what the fuck I wanted

to talk to you about, 'cause this is

616

just not addressed at all in the episode.

617

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

618

Laura: Baltar is- he's feeling

sorry for himself on the spaceship,

619

Xhafer: Yeah

620

Laura: head in his hands and then we

hear a Six ask him if he's injured.

621

And when he

622

Xhafer: Yeah

623

Laura: Six, she is- she has tried

to turn herself into Deanna.

624

Like, she's wearing the Lucy Lawless wig.

625

She's got on the busty, flowy

white top thing going on

626

Xhafer: I totally missed all this.

627

I thought it was just like a Gina

628

Laura: No.

629

She's trying to be Deanna, I'm pretty sure

630

Xhafer: Oh, man.

631

All right.

632

Nope, that completely

flew over my fucking head.

633

Laura: And, and I think-- And Gaius

is looking kind of, like, puzzled

634

Xhafer: Yeah

635

Laura: well.

636

So I'm sitting there like, "Is

this the six that was doing

637

the threesome with them?"

638

Xhafer: Hmm.

639

Laura: And

640

Xhafer: Was that not Caprica?

641

Laura: I guess…

642

Xhafer: I don't know.

643

Laura: I don't remember exactly

644

Xhafer: confusing on purpose.

645

Laura: I, I was like, "Wait, wait,

wait, wait," 'cause we get one more

646

scene with these two, and I was like,

"We're just not gonna talk about that?"

647

But anyway, yes, we're gonna

do the grenade shenanigans

648

first, which were very good.

649

I liked the grenade shenanigans.

650

Xhafer: Yeah

651

Laura: he just, he throws that thing in

there and because he yells, "Grenade,"

652

everybody like, oh, scrambles, and that's

when we can shoot these motherfuckers.

653

Xhafer: Got 'em.

654

The plan works very well.

655

They take out, like, six Marines

656

Laura: Spooks kinda gives

him a little shit about it.

657

Like, "Come on, dude.

658

Like, that wasn't cool."

659

And he's like, "You would've

thought it was cool if it was you."

660

Xhafer: 100%.

661

If you had thought of that,

you'd be fucking telling me about

662

how great you are right now.

663

I don't wanna hear it.

664

And that is 1,000% correct

665

Laura: Yeah.

666

Yeah.

667

People are getting to be 1000% correct

with Spooks a lot in these two episodes.

668

Xhafer: Yeah.

669

Laura: her earlier, Lee got her.

670

but we're gonna spring everyone

671

Xhafer: Yeah, they open up the

playpen and let all the Cylons out.

672

Lee is pissed Dad isn't there.

673

Sam and Kara stop to grab some

weapons from the downed Marines when

674

someone comes around the corner and

shoots Sam in the back of the neck

675

Laura: Oof.

676

Oofda.

677

Very worried about that

678

Xhafer: Yep.

679

This causes the party to split up.

680

Caprica Six takes Hera

to Baltar's bang bus

681

Laura: Yeah, Saul says like, "Go there.

682

You'll be safe there.

683

Nobody wants to mess with those weirdos."

684

Xhafer: Yeah.

685

Laura: They're doing too

much busy shit, other shit

686

Xhafer: Kara is gonna get

Sam to coddle and the rest of

687

them are gonna go free Adama

688

Laura: Yep.

689

And her trying to calm down

Sam in all this is very sad.

690

Xhafer: Yes

691

Laura: Scary and sad.

692

Over in, I don't know where this is

exactly at, but we'll call it Adama's

693

holding cell Gaeta's badgering him.

694

and Zarek gets a call that Tye

has escaped, but he lies and

695

tells everyone in the room that

it was a call that Tye is dead

696

Xhafer: Yep

697

Laura: But Adama refuses to say anything

more when he hears that, and Zarek's

698

like, "Okay, well, you're fucking guilty.

699

Let's just get this done."

700

Xhafer: quilty.

701

I am the decider, you are quilty.

702

There, trial done

703

Laura: Exactly.

704

And Romo is like, " This whole

fucking thing is bonkers, you guys."

705

and Zarek assaults him for

it 'cause he doesn't like

706

being called bonkers

707

Xhafer: So Lampkin's taken out here.

708

He runs into Kara and Sam, and when Kara

goes to fire her pistol at the marine

709

escorting Lampkin, she is out of ammo.

710

But Lampkin kills this

dude with his fucking pen

711

Laura: This, this is very good.

712

I love Romo.

713

I can see why, why Ryan is such a fan.

714

Xhafer: Yeah

715

Laura: he's, he's had it with this shit.

716

As they were taking him out,

I think, Rosalind had broken

717

in again on her Truth radio,

718

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

719

Laura: to talk about this because

h- she's, she's got this radio,

720

she's making this broadcast, and

it's Leoben who had this thing that

721

Xhafer: Yeah.

722

Are we supposed to remember what this is?

723

Laura: Well, I, I, I was, wasn't sure,

so I was gonna ask you, and I think

724

could it be, like, the transmitter from

Cara's special Viper or transmitter

725

from her other Viper or something?

726

'Cause it, the way

727

Xhafer: Maybe

728

Laura: beepy red light on

it made me think that I was

729

Xhafer: It was old.

730

It does feel like it's something

I'm supposed to know what it is.

731

I have no idea what the fuck it is.

732

I tried looking at, like, the

Wikipedia pages for this to see if,

733

like, the synopsis said what it is.

734

Nothing says what the fuck it is.

735

It's completely ignored.

736

I have no idea what the fuck this thing

is, but it d- is framed in a way that

737

is all like, "You should know what

this is," and that bothered me as well

738

Laura: It doesn't seem like just Cylon

technology because it feels, like, older.

739

I'm wondering if it's, like, old,

you know, BattleBot technology,

740

like the originals or something.

741

Xhafer: Something

742

Laura: I don't know.

743

Maybe it was supposed to

have been a thing, but,

744

Xhafer: it's like a prop from

OG Battlestar or something.

745

Laura: Mm-hmm.

746

That could be why we like lingered on it

747

Xhafer: Yeah

748

Laura: I don't know, but I was

like, "Man, Lee Open coming through

749

with some clutch weird shit.

750

That's his thing."

751

Xhafer: Yep.

752

I'm sure there's a Reddit post that

tells us all about it that I didn't find.

753

Laura: Yeah.

754

Xhafer: Listener, get in the Discord

if you know what the fuck this box is.

755

Laura: Tell me about the box.

756

Yeah but

757

Xhafer: What's in the box?

758

Laura: Romo's been shot

at a lot, which is why

759

Xhafer: Yeah.

760

Laura: ready with his stabby pin,

'cause he, he does tell Kara, like,

761

"I was shot at twice on the way here."

762

Xhafer: Yep

763

Laura: And she's like, "I, I

get that, but this, this man's

764

gonna die if you don't help me.

765

Please help me," 'cause

Romo's ready to run.

766

Xhafer: Yeah.

767

Laura: And he's like, "Ah, frack.

768

Xhafer: Yeah, fuck it

769

Geda orders Narcho to get the execution

detail together and to get Adama down

770

in the launch tube for the firing squad

771

Laura: Yeah.

772

But Zarek is like hanging

out right behind him,

773

Xhafer: Yeah

774

Laura: and he's pretty resentful

of this micromanagement

775

Xhafer: Yep.

776

We also, they talk about, like, some

ships have said that they're ready

777

to jump when they get the orders

from Galactica, some ships haven't.

778

And they're like, "Okay, well

that's how we'll know who's loyal.

779

Whoever jumps with us

780

Laura: We'll just leave

everybody else behind, it's fine.

781

Xhafer: Fuck 'em.

782

We see Kelly going with a Marine troop.

783

He breaks off and weeps

784

Laura: Yeah, his heart

just ain't in this mutiny

785

Xhafer: Yeah.

786

Lee, Tyrol, and Athena find Kelly.

787

He tells them where they're taking

Adama, and Kelly joins them.

788

And then we cut to the firing squad.

789

We see Adama get shot a bunch, but it's

actually just Baltar's dream and he's

790

in bed with that Six who's apparently

dressed like Deanna and he has…

791

And I have this in quotation marks

with a question mark, character growth?

792

Laura: Yeah.

793

So the thing that I was like,

oh, I could see why we took the

794

deleted scenes out of the episode.

795

Gosh, which episode was that?

796

Xhafer: Just two episodes ago from this

797

Laura: Because would be a

little jarring against the oath.

798

But now that we're here, he's telling

Deanna-6 that like, "Oh, I did it again.

799

I ran from them."

800

He-- Not only did he run he

ran, he felt bad for himself,

801

then he had sex with Deanna-6

802

in this, in the weird bedroom, and

803

then realized like, "Oh, I fucked up.

804

I, I was using those people to make me

feel better about myself, not as like…

805

I wasn't leading them as a

prophet, and I gotta go back.

806

I gotta go back."

807

Uh, And she tries, she

tries to seduce him again.

808

She's like, "No, no, no.

809

You're so great."

810

And,

811

Xhafer: Yeah

812

Laura: decides to leave the sex

813

Xhafer: Yep.

814

Not gonna do it.

815

Not no more.

816

Laura: Weird, weird, weird, weird.

817

Such a weird little man.

818

Weird, strange little man.

819

But no, it turns out the execution

squad is just getting set up.

820

It's not gonna be exactly

like this dream sequence.

821

For one thing, we've got Adama tied

to a chair instead of standing.

822

No white patch on

823

Xhafer: Yeah, they have that, the wave

patch that was there just for the,

824

like, visual of the edit fading in

825

Laura: Roslin calls for the

return of Galactica to Adama

826

and sets a five-minute timer as,

827

they're setting up

828

Xhafer: Geda goes to the admiral's

quarters and smashes his boat model.

829

That would've been fun.

830

That doesn't happen.

831

No, he just gives the

orders for the execution.

832

Laura: On the phone, yeah.

833

Xhafer: yeah.

834

Laura: a d- key

835

Xhafer: when we

836

Laura: Baltar's vision.

837

vision, Gaeta is there staring at

838

Xhafer: Yeah.

839

Laura: and real Gaeta cannot that.

840

Xhafer: Not there.

841

Nope

842

Laura: Gonna do this via phone.

843

phone it in.

844

Xhafer: Yep.

845

Laura: So they c- refer to

this Lieutenant Allison.

846

Is that Narco?

847

Or

848

Xhafer: Yeah.

849

Laura: I was, I was like, it's

gets confusing when we have

850

Xhafer: His name's Noel.

851

Yeah

852

Laura: He, he on the other end of

the phone indicates compliance,

853

but actually that was at gunpoint.

854

Xhafer: Yep.

855

Adama addresses the Marines and Narco.

856

He's like, "Look, we're taking back the

fucking ship, so uh, it's loyalty time.

857

Where are you guys at?"

858

And Narco's just all like,

"Nah, man, that ain't me.

859

I, I can't take orders from a Cylon.

860

Fucking hate them."

861

Laura: Yeah, it's that

whole Pegasus thing again.

862

Oop.

863

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

864

Laura: Ty draws his gun, but

Adama's like, "No, no, no.

865

That would be a real bad look, Saul.

866

Come on.

867

Xhafer: Yeah.

868

Laura: Don't do that.

869

We're just gonna tie this guy up."

870

Xhafer: Yeah.

871

Tiro continues his die hard as Zarek

gets put on the PA so he can tell

872

Rosalind that Papa Dama is dead.

873

Laura: Ugh

874

Xhafer: She tells him to fuck off

875

Laura: One thing I wanted to ask here.

876

We've had some Gaeta scratching

at his stump, his prosthetic

877

thing, and he does sit

878

down at Adama's desk in here and

take it off, take off the prosthetic.

879

I felt like his wound looked unwell.

880

Did you have any feelings about that?

881

Xhafer: it's from like four episodes ago.

882

He said the thing didn't fit

properly and it's giving him,

883

it's like rubbing up against him.

884

Laura: it looks like

885

Xhafer: So

886

Laura: and it's maybe

infected or something.

887

Like

888

Xhafer: It's quite possibly infected.

889

I can vibe with that actually

890

Laura: It's like, oh.

891

seems like a little visual

metaphor of, like, the, the

892

incident has festered and become

893

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

894

Laura: Uh, Yeah, but Rosalyn,

she does a really good screamy

895

It's not a scream exactly.

896

It's very deep what, what

Mary McDonnell does here.

897

I don't know if they modulated her

or anything, but she has a very

898

energy as she sort of declares

899

Xhafer: Yes

900

Laura: all of this.

901

Xhafer: "Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you."

902

Just like going down the list

pointing, "I'm gonna kill you.

903

I'm gonna do all this shit.

904

I'm gonna burn your house down

and pee-pee on the ashes."

905

Like, it's going fucking down

906

Laura: what Mary McDonald was here.

907

Like, this is really

good What was your inspo?

908

That's-- If I could ask her a

convention question, that's it.

909

What was your

910

inspo?

911

Xhafer: gonna be at STLV?

912

Laura: She was when we were there before,

913

Xhafer: Yeah.

914

Laura: seems

915

like a non-zero

916

Xhafer: been announcing

more and more guests.

917

They've announced 13 more guests

in the last, like, four days.

918

So I haven't-- I don't think she's

on here yet, but they said they're

919

going to get over 200, and that 200's

gonna be a special announcement.

920

I don't know that I've

seen it over 200 before.

921

She's not on the list right now

922

Laura: If she pops on

there, got my question

923

Xhafer: God, who would even be

special for 200 that's not going?

924

P-Stew, Avery Brooks?

925

Those are the only two I could think of.

926

Like, if you're making a thing

about the, what 200's gonna be,

927

everyone else is already there.

928

So,

929

Laura: Huh.

930

Xhafer: the ghost of Gene Roddenberry?

931

I don't know.

932

We've resurrected Gene Roddenberry into

a hologram, and he will be on stage

933

Laura: do you have to pay for that?

934

Christ.

935

Okay.

936

Gata

937

Xhafer: Yeah

938

Laura: of being a civilian

and military leader and

939

is like, "Fuck this, we're gonna jump."

940

But Tyrol

941

has reached the engines

942

Xhafer: Yep.

943

This is what Tyrell's been

working towards the whole time.

944

He, after failing to disable

the FTL with his credentials,

945

manually disables the FTL drives by

reaching in and pulling parts out

946

Laura: Hardcore.

947

If anybody's gonna know what parts

to pull, it's fucking Tyrell.

948

Xhafer: Yep.

949

Laura: As he's

950

Xhafer: He's probably pissed too.

951

Laura: As he's doing that, Adama is

approaching CIC with Lee, and y- we

952

just see people just, like, coming

out of the woodwork follow Adama.

953

They're just, like, pouring out of secret

closets they've been hiding in, and

954

they're like, "Fucking finally, Dad."

955

Xhafer: Yeah.

956

It's, it's, it's a very heavily

armed West Wing moment as they're

957

walking through the hallways

958

Laura: Rosalyn, like,

calls for surrender again,

959

Xhafer: Mm-hmm

960

Laura: and Gaata's counting down when that

core is pulled, and it's like, "Oh, fuck.

961

What's going on?"

962

And Zarek just starts

screaming at Gaata, at

963

Xhafer: Yeah.

964

Laura: knows we're fucked.

965

This is fucked.

966

We should…

967

Xhafer: Yeah.

968

Laura: engines should not be lost.

969

If our engines are lost, then we

have lost control of the whole thing.

970

Xhafer: Yeah

971

Laura: It's over

972

Xhafer: And Gaeta knows.

973

He knows that he's

lost, that this is done.

974

He orders a weapon hold despite Zarek

ordering otherwise, and Adama and crew

975

seize CIC and call to the base ship

to tell them that Galactica is secured

976

Laura: Yeah.

977

Zarek and Gaeta

978

led away

979

Xhafer: Yep.

980

We cut over to Tyrell who

sees tears in the walls

981

Laura: Yeah, this seems bad, and we

don't, we don't come back to that.

982

So I think we

983

Xhafer: We will.

984

That's, it's in the description

for next episode, don't you worry.

985

Laura: I assume Tyrell's

gonna tell someone right away.

986

This seems that

987

Xhafer: The, the line is, "Tyrell

informs Adama of the structural damage,"

988

Laura: Okay.

989

Xhafer: is in the next episode preview, so

990

Laura: good, good

991

Xhafer: yes.

992

Um,

993

Laura: Yeah, but first we gotta get

Rosalyn back on Galactica real quick

994

Xhafer: Yeah, mom and dad are reunited.

995

And then we cut to Baltar and Gaeta

talking about Felix's youth, his life.

996

It kinda mirrors the interview that

he did with Deanna back in season two

997

Laura: Oh, kind of forgot about that.

998

Gosh, I wish I could recall

the content of that interview

999

Xhafer: He was just talking about like

being a young officer and being on the

00:42:25,854 --> 00:42:30,054

ship and stuff, and he was just smoking

a cigarette and talking about his life,

00:42:30,095 --> 00:42:30,275

Laura: Uh-huh.

00:42:30,384 --> 00:42:32,234

Xhafer: talking about that

tattoo he was gonna get,

00:42:32,235 --> 00:42:32,785

Laura: Yeah

00:42:32,894 --> 00:42:34,114

Xhafer: or that tattoo he got

00:42:34,452 --> 00:42:41,043

Laura: And he's talking about wanting to

go into architecture he was a little kid,

00:42:41,105 --> 00:42:41,445

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:42:41,503 --> 00:42:43,712

Laura: goes into science and

00:42:44,204 --> 00:42:46,884

Xhafer: And he thought he was good

at science until he met Baltar

00:42:47,343 --> 00:42:47,763

Laura: Yeah.

00:42:48,513 --> 00:42:49,013

Okay.

00:42:49,054 --> 00:42:49,404

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:42:50,594 --> 00:42:52,074

I mean, fair.

00:42:52,582 --> 00:42:55,212

I thought I was good at stuff till

I met someone really good at stuff

00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,400

Laura: Sure.

00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:59,600

All through this he's scratching

that s- the stump of his leg.

00:42:59,700 --> 00:43:00,260

And,

00:43:00,584 --> 00:43:01,054

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,110

Laura: he tells Baltar,

"I'm fine with this.

00:43:03,930 --> 00:43:04,930

I'm fine with these, the way

00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:05,750

things have turned out.

00:43:05,770 --> 00:43:08,290

I just hope that someday

people realize who I am."

00:43:09,296 --> 00:43:09,606

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:43:09,706 --> 00:43:12,126

And he's just like, "I

know who you are, man.

00:43:13,016 --> 00:43:13,476

I see you."

00:43:13,666 --> 00:43:14,156

Laura: Yeah.

00:43:15,866 --> 00:43:18,236

I, for a second there, I was like,

"Wait," 'cause the way we frame

00:43:18,236 --> 00:43:21,596

him in all this, I was like, "Is

he the fifth and final Scion?"

00:43:24,234 --> 00:43:24,654

Like

00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:26,650

Xhafer: Quick, what's his middle initial?

00:43:27,754 --> 00:43:28,294

Laura: for real.

00:43:28,410 --> 00:43:30,020

Xhafer: Felix Gate-uh.

00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:32,330

Is there a dash?

00:43:32,550 --> 00:43:33,080

Fuck.

00:43:34,104 --> 00:43:36,994

Laura: Just 'cause they make it

so dramatic and final, and I was

00:43:36,994 --> 00:43:39,594

like, "Oh, no, it's just 'cause,

like, we're giving him his, like,

00:43:40,112 --> 00:43:40,442

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:43:40,444 --> 00:43:41,864

Laura: his due."

00:43:41,962 --> 00:43:42,482

Xhafer: flowers, yeah

00:43:43,204 --> 00:43:43,624

Laura: Yeah,

00:43:43,624 --> 00:43:48,224

we cut to Zarek and G'Ada just

kind of looking at each other.

00:43:48,879 --> 00:43:49,309

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:43:49,417 --> 00:43:50,517

Laura: they're in the chairs.

00:43:51,647 --> 00:43:52,307

Now the firing

00:43:52,307 --> 00:43:56,947

squad is aiming at them, and

Adama's ass is in this room

00:43:57,412 --> 00:43:57,762

Xhafer: Yep.

00:43:58,101 --> 00:43:58,971

You bet it is

00:43:59,686 --> 00:44:01,826

Laura: And we get gunfire to credits

00:44:02,366 --> 00:44:02,766

Xhafer: Yep.

00:44:03,126 --> 00:44:07,236

But you'll notice the last thing Gaeta

experiences is the pain stopping.

00:44:07,454 --> 00:44:08,364

Laura: he does say.

00:44:09,464 --> 00:44:09,884

Oh, it stopped.

00:44:10,226 --> 00:44:11,846

Xhafer: Yeah, the pain finally stopped.

00:44:12,066 --> 00:44:13,236

Yep, and then he gets shot

00:44:13,534 --> 00:44:13,964

Laura: Yeah

00:44:15,363 --> 00:44:16,553

Xhafer: That's the episode.

00:44:17,562 --> 00:44:18,532

Laura: That's the episode.

00:44:18,532 --> 00:44:19,812

So now I'm

00:44:19,823 --> 00:44:21,393

Xhafer: Told you this

wasn't a five-episode arc

00:44:22,018 --> 00:44:24,238

Laura: Now I'm curious about your

00:44:24,327 --> 00:44:24,607

Xhafer: Okay.

00:44:26,587 --> 00:44:29,517

I wanna talk about perspective.

00:44:29,786 --> 00:44:30,236

Laura: Yeah

00:44:31,207 --> 00:44:32,997

Xhafer: I wanna talk about

Gaeta's perspective here.

00:44:33,317 --> 00:44:39,387

I wanna talk about things that we as the

audience know that Gaeta does not know

00:44:39,462 --> 00:44:41,112

Laura: love to lay that out.

00:44:41,142 --> 00:44:41,512

Yeah

00:44:43,123 --> 00:44:47,803

Xhafer: And, and I'm gonna be real,

listener, this was a semi-popular

00:44:47,803 --> 00:44:53,513

Reddit post about six months ago

that I read, um, that made me

00:44:53,513 --> 00:44:55,703

really think about this mutiny arc.

00:44:56,653 --> 00:44:57,923

Um, it's very well laid out.

00:44:57,933 --> 00:45:02,083

Shout out to Maui who posted this,

if you happen to be a listener.

00:45:02,343 --> 00:45:02,503

Um,

00:45:02,628 --> 00:45:04,088

Laura: Wild, but hi

00:45:04,453 --> 00:45:05,203

Xhafer: that'd be wild.

00:45:05,493 --> 00:45:06,733

Wild, but hi.

00:45:06,913 --> 00:45:08,923

Um, I like your Reddit post.

00:45:09,163 --> 00:45:15,003

Um, made me really think about

this arc, and I definitely watched

00:45:15,083 --> 00:45:19,683

the buildup to this arc with this

mindset because of this Reddit post.

00:45:19,693 --> 00:45:21,393

So I wanna make sure I give

credit where credit is due.

00:45:21,613 --> 00:45:22,893

I found the Reddit post.

00:45:22,913 --> 00:45:24,333

I've got it open right now.

00:45:24,583 --> 00:45:27,443

I'm going to read or summarize

bits of this Reddit post.

00:45:27,708 --> 00:45:28,978

Laura: more perspective

00:45:29,536 --> 00:45:34,796

Xhafer: Okay, so like I said earlier,

Gaeta thinks he's lawful good.

00:45:35,466 --> 00:45:37,176

Gaeta thinks this is

the right thing to do.

00:45:37,436 --> 00:45:39,726

He is not compromised by Tom Zarek.

00:45:40,196 --> 00:45:43,556

He is unaware of Tom Zarek's true

nature and sees him as the only

00:45:43,556 --> 00:45:47,566

other person who seems sane given

everything else that's going on because

00:45:47,566 --> 00:45:48,936

of the way Tom approaches things.

00:45:49,326 --> 00:45:51,986

Tom has obviously manipulated

the shit out of Gaeta.

00:45:52,111 --> 00:45:52,501

Laura: Yeah

00:45:52,981 --> 00:45:57,051

Xhafer: but from Gaeta's perspective,

the things we know that, as the

00:45:57,051 --> 00:45:58,491

audience, that Gaeta does not know.

00:45:59,461 --> 00:46:01,521

We know which Cylons are good people.

00:46:01,570 --> 00:46:01,900

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:46:02,311 --> 00:46:04,621

Xhafer: We know which Cylons are

trustworthy for the most part.

00:46:04,621 --> 00:46:07,451

We feel like we've got a good grasp

on that as an audience at this point.

00:46:07,731 --> 00:46:10,071

He has none of these interactions.

00:46:10,371 --> 00:46:14,581

Gaeta is not present for anything

with any of these Cylons at any point.

00:46:14,758 --> 00:46:15,798

Laura: Even, you know,

00:46:15,851 --> 00:46:16,871

Xhafer: Never in the room

00:46:16,988 --> 00:46:22,558

Laura: Gaeta has the experience of

Athena serving with him and others,

00:46:23,057 --> 00:46:23,357

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:46:23,367 --> 00:46:23,377

I

00:46:23,538 --> 00:46:26,098

Laura: we don't know how much

direct interaction he really

00:46:26,118 --> 00:46:27,968

has with Athena all the time.

00:46:29,168 --> 00:46:29,528

one of-

00:46:29,617 --> 00:46:31,437

Xhafer: mean, he was in the

room when Boomer shot Adamo

00:46:31,842 --> 00:46:32,242

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:33,342 --> 00:46:37,532

one of the other Sharons did

some pretty heinous shit to him.

00:46:38,682 --> 00:46:40,712

Pretty heinous, we find out from the

00:46:40,799 --> 00:46:45,319

Xhafer: On New Caprica, yeah, we

find out that Sharon, that, that

00:46:45,329 --> 00:46:46,849

evil-ass Sharon really pushed him.

00:46:47,429 --> 00:46:51,269

We know that the prophecies

for the most part are real.

00:46:51,747 --> 00:46:54,577

the prophecies have all turned

out to actually be things

00:46:54,577 --> 00:46:56,327

that have lined up, right?

00:46:56,395 --> 00:46:57,755

Laura: of some prophecies

if they're in there

00:46:59,253 --> 00:47:01,793

Xhafer: Just like the Eye of

Jupiter stuff, the Finding Earth

00:47:01,803 --> 00:47:05,453

stuff, the dying leader stuff, just

in general these things, right?

00:47:05,873 --> 00:47:07,873

Like we kn- we, we know

this as an audience.

00:47:07,873 --> 00:47:11,243

Like there's a reason that we're

making some of these decisions that

00:47:11,243 --> 00:47:16,153

seem weird if you don't know that

this is a thing that is happening.

00:47:16,279 --> 00:47:16,669

Laura: And

00:47:16,893 --> 00:47:16,913

Xhafer: You-

00:47:17,139 --> 00:47:21,439

Laura: does the general public even

know about several of these prophecies?

00:47:21,439 --> 00:47:21,449

Like

00:47:22,343 --> 00:47:26,343

Xhafer: I mean, it seems like

the books of Pythia are like…

00:47:26,463 --> 00:47:31,153

I mean, Ca- Roslin makes kind of a

campaign thing about them, but it'd

00:47:31,153 --> 00:47:36,663

be all like someone talking about a

lesser-known book of the Bible maybe.

00:47:36,873 --> 00:47:39,473

If like, maybe like a book

of the Bible that's only in

00:47:39,473 --> 00:47:41,363

certain versions of the Bible

00:47:41,395 --> 00:47:42,545

Laura: like the Apocrypha.

00:47:43,855 --> 00:47:45,045

Xhafer: St- yeah, exactly.

00:47:45,055 --> 00:47:47,975

It, it, it seems like it's

something along those lines.

00:47:48,355 --> 00:47:51,835

You're not, you're not reading

from, like, Genesis or Revelations,

00:47:51,835 --> 00:47:54,465

something that's in, like, every

version of the Bible for the most part.

00:47:54,795 --> 00:47:56,235

That's not what we're talking about

00:47:56,617 --> 00:47:59,557

Laura: was that Pythia or was

that just hybrid prophecy?

00:48:00,485 --> 00:48:02,015

Xhafer: I think that's Pythia.

00:48:02,145 --> 00:48:03,505

But regardless, for

00:48:04,223 --> 00:48:04,683

Laura: Still

00:48:04,785 --> 00:48:08,875

Xhafer: the general idea is it's, it's

not about the individual prophecies

00:48:08,875 --> 00:48:12,955

from Gaeta's perspective, it's the

reasoning for doing things, because

00:48:12,955 --> 00:48:14,665

that's what we actually wanna get to.

00:48:14,985 --> 00:48:22,065

We know Starbuck's resurrection is

important and not bullshit, right?

00:48:22,395 --> 00:48:24,115

He's not around for any of this either.

00:48:24,125 --> 00:48:26,575

He just, Starbuck shows up and

all of a sudden she's trusted

00:48:26,807 --> 00:48:30,181

Laura: and Starbuck is one of the

people who tried to kill him in the

00:48:30,426 --> 00:48:31,826

Xhafer: Yeah, 100%.

00:48:32,001 --> 00:48:32,971

Laura: already like…

00:48:33,021 --> 00:48:33,851

A- and as we

00:48:33,851 --> 00:48:34,221

said,

00:48:34,626 --> 00:48:36,616

Xhafer: she's a damn dirty Cylon, 100%.

00:48:36,961 --> 00:48:40,811

Laura: people, the rest of

them for sure were Cylons.

00:48:41,761 --> 00:48:44,271

Xhafer: Which is point one, right?

00:48:44,311 --> 00:48:47,601

Oh, and then the other thing is we know

that Adama's intentions are sincere.

00:48:48,821 --> 00:48:50,071

We know Adama's a good person.

00:48:50,071 --> 00:48:51,561

We know Adama's a trustable person.

00:48:52,351 --> 00:48:57,331

We see him in situations where he's

not just yelling orders in CIC, unlike

00:48:57,341 --> 00:49:02,091

Gaeta, who has no interactions with

him outside, "This is my boss's boss's

00:49:02,161 --> 00:49:03,701

boss who's yelling at me right now."

00:49:04,145 --> 00:49:04,585

Laura: Yeah

00:49:05,303 --> 00:49:06,713

Xhafer: Gaeta doesn't

know any of that shit.

00:49:07,192 --> 00:49:08,152

here's what Gaeta knows.

00:49:09,422 --> 00:49:15,422

He tried to help the resistance and was

almost killed for it by a bunch of Cylons

00:49:15,516 --> 00:49:15,916

Laura: Right?

00:49:16,336 --> 00:49:20,656

Xhafer: Humanity was completely w- almost

completely wiped out by Cylon bullshit

00:49:21,308 --> 00:49:23,418

There's a Cylon as the XO of the ship.

00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:23,860

Laura: Yep

00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,990

Xhafer: The laws applied selectively and

always in the favor of Adama and Roslin

00:49:29,654 --> 00:49:30,014

Laura: Yeah.

00:49:30,467 --> 00:49:31,227

They've also been MIA, as I said

00:49:33,020 --> 00:49:34,210

Xhafer: and, and MIA.

00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,930

The enemy is being integrated into

the fleet without civilian consent

00:49:38,236 --> 00:49:45,186

And any objection to any of this, even

just the mention of it, is treated as

00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:47,786

either disloyalty or moral weakness.

00:49:47,974 --> 00:49:48,404

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:49:49,146 --> 00:49:51,656

Xhafer: There's no room

for questioning anything.

00:49:51,656 --> 00:49:53,136

There's no room for conversation.

00:49:53,946 --> 00:49:55,026

This is what's happening.

00:49:55,136 --> 00:49:56,156

You're dealing with it

00:49:56,454 --> 00:49:56,934

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:49:57,424 --> 00:50:02,536

Xhafer: From this perspective, this

is a last-ditch attempt to reassert

00:50:02,536 --> 00:50:07,396

civilian control and the rule of law and

democracy before they're gone for forever

00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:09,820

Laura: Yeah, that's what Gata wants.

00:50:10,137 --> 00:50:10,787

Xhafer: 100%.

00:50:11,762 --> 00:50:13,222

Laura: But it is not what Zarek wants

00:50:13,988 --> 00:50:14,518

Xhafer: Correct.

00:50:15,598 --> 00:50:17,628

Like I said, Zerek's

manipulated the shit out of him.

00:50:18,365 --> 00:50:21,635

Uh, You know, he's the one who's

like, "You killed the fucking quorum.

00:50:21,955 --> 00:50:22,655

You did this."

00:50:22,655 --> 00:50:24,105

No, I'm not just gonna kill Adama.

00:50:24,135 --> 00:50:25,265

He's gonna stand trial.

00:50:25,405 --> 00:50:27,795

He's the one who's trying to

stand up for the rule of the law.

00:50:27,925 --> 00:50:31,545

He's the one who's trying to stand up

for democracy, and Zerek is just turning

00:50:31,555 --> 00:50:33,875

the knife any which direction it can

00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:34,880

Laura: Yeah.

00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:39,220

I don't remember if I said this on pod

or if I just said it to Aaron, so I'm

00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:41,640

gonna go ahead and bring it up now,

and you can remind me if I did or not.

00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:43,040

But

00:50:43,170 --> 00:50:46,730

before this all kicks off

with the oath and blood on the

00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:50,410

scales, the episode before that

00:50:50,894 --> 00:50:51,204

Xhafer: Yeah

00:50:51,724 --> 00:50:54,584

Laura: Zarek and Gaeta have their

conversation while Zarek's in

00:50:54,584 --> 00:50:59,414

the brig, and that conversation

opens with Zarek washing his

00:50:59,414 --> 00:51:02,734

hands while he's talking to Gaeta.

00:51:03,674 --> 00:51:10,134

And to me, this was very symbolic of,

like, he's actually washing his hands of

00:51:10,134 --> 00:51:14,214

what hap- ever happens to Gaeta, 'cause

he's telling Gaeta the whole, like, you

00:51:14,214 --> 00:51:16,084

know, "There's no going back from this.

00:51:16,734 --> 00:51:17,094

Xhafer: Yeah

00:51:17,165 --> 00:51:18,485

Laura: is gonna get ugly."

00:51:19,145 --> 00:51:20,665

And Gaeta's like, "Well, it has to."

00:51:20,675 --> 00:51:22,945

Like, "This is our last chance."

00:51:23,825 --> 00:51:28,392

And Zarek is actually just, like,

cleaning his hands of, of…

00:51:28,412 --> 00:51:31,782

He does, he just is using

Gaeta as a tool to me.

00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:32,609

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:32,992 --> 00:51:33,312

Laura: I don't know

00:51:33,869 --> 00:51:39,540

Xhafer: 100%, great call out So Gaeta's

like the closest person to Adama's

00:51:39,570 --> 00:51:44,750

inner circle who is definitively

not in Adama's inner circle, right?

00:51:45,291 --> 00:51:49,591

Adama's inner circle is his XO,

who's a Cylon, was married to a

00:51:49,591 --> 00:51:53,571

Cylon, is having a baby with another

Cylon, and probably played some

00:51:53,571 --> 00:51:54,941

part in the genocide of humanity.

00:51:55,419 --> 00:51:57,339

His CAG, married to a Cylon.

00:51:58,069 --> 00:52:03,574

His chief of the engine room,

Tyrol, Cylon uh, and is effectively

00:52:03,574 --> 00:52:05,474

the liaison to the Cylon people.

00:52:06,174 --> 00:52:13,254

His son is all over the place, a

fucking mess, just like is somehow

00:52:13,254 --> 00:52:15,474

the president randomly, right?

00:52:15,474 --> 00:52:20,054

Just makes his son the president,

and also is teamed up with Starbuck

00:52:20,494 --> 00:52:25,084

somehow, who is also a fucking Cylon,

and she's also married to a Cylon.

00:52:26,044 --> 00:52:27,674

That's Adama's inner circle

00:52:28,312 --> 00:52:28,642

Laura: Yeah.

00:52:29,362 --> 00:52:30,332

data's perspective.

00:52:30,827 --> 00:52:31,247

Xhafer: Right.

00:52:31,247 --> 00:52:33,047

Cause he doesn't even

know about the president